as a jazz musician in college, i also love whiplash. i know a lot of jazz heads argue with it and hate that it “misrepresents” jazz, but i think it absolutely represents the worst of music school, of becoming a musician, of abusive teachers, of obsession and self-harm through practice, it highlights hardships not often brought to light. the music major is sometimes seen as “oh that must be such a fun major” rather than a serious, sometimes crushing endeavor, and I think whiplash handles it exceptionally well. it’s also a damn good movie.
The problem isn't the movie itself, but the idea that this is seen by the public as a "jazz movie" rather than an "abusive relationship movie". There isn't much jazz representation in mainstream media and so having the average Joe's first thought be Whiplash when you mention jazz to them is painful. I was so hyped to watch this movie when I heard about it because all I knew was "it's that jazz movie!" so upon learning during my first watching that it was actually NOT a jazz movie, I was very confused and disappointed. Since first seeing this movie, I actually witnessed people suffering under a passive aggressive band director so I don't hate the movie as much as I used to, though I still wouldn't enjoy rewatching it personally. In conclusion, review Kids on the Slope.
Your segment on Rick Beato was very good, I haven't seen his vid but that's crazy to just review the trailer and call it a day. He's always rubbed me the wrong way as kind of a hostile boomer that hates new musicians vibe.
1:16:28 So true, big band vs small group is a whole different world. And yes you kind of need to be less feeling to play in a big band to get all the hits together with the rest of the band, you need to play the chart wheras in a small group you can be waaay more free.
@wrathofkaneeighty8 people using clips of whiplash in motivational contexts too like "i wanna be one of the greats" this is a film ab unhealthy obsession and it pains me to see people using clips to encourage viewers to keep honing their skills. literally use anything else bc ur being counterproductive
Fr ever since the schlat vids the algorithm has been putting his bangers in my feed, I dont even realise it's him half the time until i click the video
Despite Fletcher being such a standout character, the breakup scene is what really sticks with me. How much would you sacrifice to achieve greatness? And her mocking of the idea, it feels like the better my mental state is the more I agree with her. Taking care of your needs (sleep, socialization, etc) is essential to success, not opposite it. Maybe it's just where I am in life, but I think that that's the climax of the movie. Everything before it builds toward his total rejection of his social needs. Everything after is the fallout of that decision. He lost the last thing he felt he had to lose, and his safety net (his father) was never going to be enough.
As a musician myself, I love Whiplash. No, I've never seen a situation like that myself, but... I mean... it's a discipline, you can find all kinds of weirdos in the medium. And tbh it isn't the first nor the last movie to portray music incorrectly, and that doesn't take away that it is a good flick, or at least a very entertaining one. It's like bashing Karate Kid because it doesn't portray karate accurately.
The jazz musician reviewers remind me of the videos called like "pianos are never animated correctly!" and it was like an independent film with an indie budget
Admittedly, people like Charles Cornell and Adam Neely do still seem to have an appreciation for the representation of music in modern media. It's just that, with so much experience with the field, it's jarring to see such a number of (small) inaccuracies. They still seem to enjoy and respect the work of the creators behind them
i love this video so much you clearly really understand whiplash and understand the difference between it not being a jazz movie and it being more of a thriller but with the back setting of jazz, i cant believe this is your third video about this topic and it still feels like its the things you are saying are different and fresh
Nothing like a 20 year old dissecting a TH-cam video I watched when it came out about a movie I saw in art school to make me feel old asf. This was great man well done.
just wanted to say before watching that your thumbnail game was on point with this one! didnt even realize it was the schlatt man until after i clicked
gonna push back against a lot of this video's point that film criticism must be a certain way; i disagree with a lot of your decisions on what counts as "good insight" and "bad insight" and feel that a lot of these decisions are emotionally charged. (im a pretty big fan of adam and do admittedly have some personal stake though) it feels like a lot of this video boils down to you requiring that film analysis being how you want it, and especially coming from someone who really likes whiplash. it really seems like youre only interested in purely plot-related reviews, though, which, i don't know, its not "bad criticism" to just focus on other elements of the movie for fun. i understand that it may be annoying when intentional discrepancies get dismissed as simple screenwriting/directing mistakes, but i also just get the impression that you get emotionally charged at anything less than a stellar review highlighting all of the great elements of whiplash. (so much of this mistaken "inaccuracy spotting" is just a misunderstanding that people may easily get if theyre watching isolated clips of the movie) it just feels like you get really mad about adam's nitpicking because most of it doesn't really have much bearing on the overall movie, but i dont feel that your criticism of the "inaccuracy spotting" being completely useless is fair at all. for example, the drummer at the beginning pointing out niemann's tense playing is cool to know, especially for me, a classical pianist who's tangentially interested in all the little tidbits of jazz performance information. adam's style of dry presentation isn't meant to be "passive aggressive" and snobbish more than it just being more of an internet persona that aligns with his more ironic sense of humor (i hardly think he was actually trying to mock you when he commented "lol, triggered"). it rubs me the wrong way when you get mad that adam spends time focusing on little tidbits of insight (whether you deem it legitimate or not doesnt really matter it's still neat insight in my opinion) rather than complimenting all the acting and whatever that's already been done dozens of times. i dont know, i think its nice to engage with media through different lenses for fun sometimes rather than "reviewing" it in standard ways (whiplash has already been "reviewed" in standard ways so many times, i hardly see why it matters that people go at it in other ways) personally, as a musician, on my first time watching whiplash it rubbed me the wrong way simply because it doesnt portray music accurately. i understand that the "point" of the movie was to make music performance this grotesque form of itself to show the toxic relationships that it can form, but, still, it felt off. i'm actually really glad that adam came to and shared the conclusion that he did, because it let me put my own thoughts into my own words. as someone who has an intimate connection to music performance, it feels like music isnt the most condusive to this kind of story. i have to suspend my disbelief so much at certain points in the movie that it breaks the immersion due to my personal experiences. this isn't "bad criticism," it's just how i, and maybe adam, respond to the movie on a personal level.
kind of confused now why you made two videos on this one video of his with your first video receiving the same criticism i just made and you liking said comments implying that you appreciated what they had to say 😭😭😭
i could go through a lot of whataboutisms with this video that i left out in my original comment you argue that these misrepresentations of the film draw undeserved negative reception towards it but you do the same with the subjects of these videos (you keep tone-policing adam's video and turn it from a relatively harmless and neutral self-aware tongue-in-cheek review to this malicious undeserved takedown of a movie) you get mad that these reviews " arent good insight" then proceed to repeat this for every point of insight that these "professionals" point out you.. get mad at nitpicking and then do it far more poorly and for longer and more unfairly.. idk id love to actually discuss this with you instead of getting mad at a wall but i wont expect that of you cause a 2 hour video is tough work and i dont expect you to have to read all the comment word walls on top of that haha
@@ciriuflus So why are you doing the exact same thing that Nomad is doing if it bothers you so much? I think Nomad's video hit a little too close to home for a few people and now they're writing their own essays in the comments trying to defend Adam's Cinemasins surface level critisms of a film.
@@SpungleGrundlei like adams video sorry man i dont think this guys criticisms are really that good and i think i explain why decently enough lol we can do the whataboutism cycle forever but i cant be assed with internet drama with random people i just hope the original creator of the video sees this haha
Calling someone emotionally charged when you write a whole ass of essay to glaze a pretentious way of viewing a piece of art is kinda silly. Also he is entirely objectively correct in saying that it is bad criticism to say a movie is bad or a bad representation of something because it has to fit within the format of a movie. Getting mad at the movie for having scenes that are tense where people are playing sloppy isn't constructive, it isn't something that actually helps make it a better movie, and it doesn't even actually provide any real insight for the audience. It's just complaining for the sake of complaining. Obviously certain elements will have to be exaggerated or done in a way that isn't realistic because who the fuck wants to watch a two hour movie of people silently playing the drums with no expression and perfect technique?? If what you're whining about doesn't actually affect the movie's quality in a negative way, it isn't valid criticism and it's not being "emotional" to call that out as a blatantly reductive way to view film. Even at the end where you're talking about how you respond to the movie personally, you're still not giving any actual criticism or proving any of his points wrong. You can feel however you want about a piece of art but that doesn't change it's objective quality. There's movies that are really well made that I don't like at all for personal reasons but I would never say they're bad or somehow a bad representation of something just because I don't like it. Unless there's an actual flaw that can be fixed in order to improve the project, you aren't giving any valid feedback. Complaining that an instrument is being played wrong or that the main antagonist of the movie is presenting an incorrect point of view doesn't make you smart. Those things are intentional and even in places where maybe it isn't as purposeful to have inaccuracies, it's still an extremely low budget film from a first time director shot in a short time frame. Needless nitpicking serves 0 actual purpose and is just being pretentious for the sake of feeling like you're smarter than other people. If you seriously think this movie is a bad representation of jazz because it's not literally just a documentary of real life people then don't even bother watching movies. Newsflash; film isn't supposed to be "realistic" or "accurate" to real life. It's meant to be an expression of thought and emotion conveyed through picture, sound, and prose. That's the point of a movie.
As a musician I love this movie - I take Adam Neely's point that it's bad that "nobody has fun" in the movie, but lets be honest we've all met a musician who wasn't having fun because they're too lost in the next recital or next exam (which is the critique the movie makes)
43:05 the irony of this, he's not putting the actual work to find out if music is dying, and yet he's saying that people don't wanna do the work in music, art, and (for some reason) video games
though, i do agree at 44:21 sorta, if you're depending on a machine to do art for you, you're limiting your creativity and your potential. but if you're using a machine to help you do art, for example using an animation software that allows you to tween your animation so you don't have to waste minutes or hours of your time trying to rotate and position the dang part or shape to be where you want it to be
My own thoughts on this; Adam naming the majority audience that love Whiplash into "People", already shows that he believes that since he knows about music more than the average person, he is better than them intellectually, but makes sure that the people watching his videos, the audience, are not a part of the "People" he questions, so that he isn't insulting his audience. This Us vs Them mentality and superiority is very apparent when he uses language like "Do People, really think it's like this?" "Do People think drumming looks like this?" "Here is what real true practice looks like in MY video." Adam questioning the People's perspective on such simple aspects in a joking or asking through laughter like "Do YOU really think jazz is like this?", makes the "People" seem intellectually inferior to Adam and his audience, strengthening the image that Adam is reliable and trustworthy.
i've been watching your videos for a few months now and it's really nice to get such insightful commentary and interesting content topics from someone who's like a real person. my favorite thing about you is the amazing work you put out without ever sounding pretentious. i expected you to have blown up by now, i was surprised by your subscriber count. keep up the good work, it's so refreshing :)
this movie doesn't accurately showcase the nu jazz trip-hop lofi hip-hop jazz rap shoe gaze future soul ambient jazz psych jazz post-rock experimental hip-hop jazz fusion indie R&B cloud rap electro-soul vaperwave jazztronica as a drummer of 39 years at harvard during the napoleonic period. 1/10, very inaccurate.
The point you are trying to get across Adam Neely is also the point Adam Neely is trying to get across about Whiplash. Just as the purpose of Whiplash is not to be accurate and taken seriously, Neely's video is nicknamed "critic by a jazz musician" and he stresses at the beginning of the video that the review is gonna be nitpicky and pedantic because that's what he was trying to do: he was trying to not do the unoriginal movie review and made more of a critical view of the tiny mistakes the movie made when compared to real life. Just as you say Whiplash's unique value is not in its realism, Adam Neely's video's unique value is to BE realistic. There's nothing wrong with that. By the way I hate Adam Neely because he's annoying, but to be fair he acknowledges at the beginning of the video that he's going to do a realist take on the movie, giving his own insight with his own experience, I don't know why you were expecting a full drama movie critique.
@doofusloofus8359 So stupid to imply Whiplash has nothing to do with jazz and no one can talk about except letterboxd folk. It's called content! You always want to make it original and from your own perspective. Neely is not a film critic, and probably his friends and audience were bothering him to talk about the movie, etc. Such a disingenous response.
@@redspiderlilys6 That's not the point you bozo. When making content for TH-cam you don't have to engage directly with the content you're reviewing, you have the liberty to engage in whatever way you want. I'll give you an example: those videos called "Honest Action" where they analyze how many times the Wet Bandits would have died if Home Alone was realistic. It doesn't have to be serious. Adam Neely CLEARLY specifies in the beginning of the video that he is going to review the movie only from the perspective of jazz. There is a purpose to that also, as many people unrelated to jazz could see Whiplash and misinterpret that it's a common occurrence, or that everything about the film's way of learning music is valid and accurate. Neely is simply saying "here's all the stuff I know for a fact aren't in this way". He clarified that the movie was good, and that it's not the final review of the movie. I think he was in his right to make that video and he was probably right about all the things he said in it. Still a pedantic twat btw but still, I feel like people purposefully mock him as if he was trying to review the movie seriously when it was clearly a gimmick and a gag: the video is called "as reviewed by a jazz musician". He insists he is not a movie critic, just a jazz player. If you want to review Whiplash seriously you have a movie critic channel, but if you're Adam Neely you just talk about jazz and you review all the jazz related elements of Whiplash and then move on. It's not hard to understand, and it's not hard to TOLERATE. But so many of you are twice as pedantic as he is by saying "BUT UM EXCUUUUSE ME it's just a movie YOU NITPICKY SHIT" and it's like yeah, it's just a movie, that's what he is saying.
Before watching the vid, I have to be honest; as a Jazz musician this is one of my favorite movies. I hate that the crux of the issue with people like Neely and Beato is "It's not realistic to the art of performing jazz" Of course it isnt realistic, it's a movie. Jazz performance is just the backdrop for the actual story which is an abusive relationship and the lengths people will go for success.
Adam saying it should be a sports movie, and then having the ‘Music should be fun’ segment genuinely angered me, because how can you not see that I could make that exact point with sports. Shouldn’t sports be fun? But if I’m watching a movie about a player who pushes themselves the point of destruction to try and be the best in the world, the fun isn’t gonna be there anymore
Incredibly well thought out analysis and arguments. I died laughing 1:43:50 with the clip you used, perfect sarcasm, hit me like a truck. Outstanding vid
You're putting out banger after banger, I'm loving this consistency. As someone who has watched almost all of these analysises to get really interesting insight from professionals i had the exact same gripes and annoyances and it's so cathartic to hear this from someone else. Thanks man.
34:08 i like whiplash as a film but as much as i hate to admit it, i gotta agree with Beato here, as a drummer punching drumhead (especially the well made one by Evans like they one they used in the scene, and they even used the 2ply coated one) is almost impossible no matter how strong or how angry you are. You will ended up hurting yourself. Realistically , the condition of the drumhead have to be really wear down or poorly made in order for it to be easily broken. BUT, as a film enthusiast i can understand the purpose of the scene and yeah not every thing has to be accurate. ALSO speaking of Greyson Nekrutman, now he plays for metal band and people were kinda upset on why he never play jazz anymore lol
What Nomad is missing is what Whiplash could be for jazz musicians! The film could be more accurate to the jazz culture, but the story would have to be more sensitive, the characters would have to be portrayed with more contradictions. Making and studying music is full of contradictions! It is fun and rewarding but it also has all the toxic elements in the film. However, if the film wanted to be more accurate it would have to be less Hollywoody and more artsy. A film with similar themes, but dealt in a much better and more matture way is 2022's Tár. All the characters are more complex than Whiplash. The discussion on aesthetics, ethics and culture on the dialogues are great and Todd Field gets the technicalities of classcial music right! Nomad is accusing the musicians of not understanding that jazz is the "setting for the movie". But setting is also important, and it could be done poorly, and if done so, it will break the suspension of disbelief for those who can pick up on those flaws! For kinda cheap american entertainment is good for what it is, but why getting so worked up about the consensus in the jazz community in regards to a 10 year old film that was ridiculously popular!
@Igorsbackagain-c6q Nothing HAS to be accurate in a film. Still, if it's not, it will break the suspension of disbelief... if the story happens in a jazz environment, it's just weird for a musician to see something that makes no sense, like a bass player moving his hands up and down the neck weirdly when he's supposed to be playing a walking bassline. It takes you out of the movie experience. Now, I understand that this won't happen to a non-trained person. And that's fine. But it will happen with jazz musicians, and pretending that it won't is just silly.
@@JohnathandosSantos let me put it this way if New York is the setting of your movie you shouldn’t expect it to be accurate because IT IS A MOVIE ONE THAT HAS A CREATIVE VISION let me repeat CREATIVE VISION
I personally saw Fletchers character as the embodiment of the troubles the world gives someone with a larger goal than normal. Someone that comes from a normal background that leaves them at the mercy of the world and how you have to practically be off your rocker to achieve a higher than average goal. Working 16 hours a day for 20 plus years while walking a fine line because you cant afford one mistake while surrounded by people who want to use you to elevate their own status and if yhey cant use you, theyll destroy you, take everything and leave you with nothing over and over until you learn how to combat, deal with and overcome while becoming apathetic to your own suffering for the sake of obtaining something greater than your father (who will never understand) did. Just a rando thought🤷♂️
After watching this video, you seriously deserve more subs. On top of being hilarious, you seem to have a knack for seeing deeper meanings & understanding storytelling tropes… unlike most of the jazz ppl in this video. Great watch 💀
Schaffer is based on Juliard, i would say maybe the manhattan school of music. MSM is the harvard of jazz music. i wouldn’t call berklee the harvard of music. not saying anything bad about berklee but ur first statement there just isn’t true
thanks for making this. I was irked by youtube jazz musicians taking a dump on this movie back then. Black Swan isnt a documentary on ballet. Tar isnt a documentary on classical music and Whiplash isn't a jazz documentary. These films are character studies on messed up artists. And as an artist i can draw kernels of truth from each of these films. I never had a band director assault me but i have sacrificed my sanity to "git gud" and it wasn't worth it.
Sir Nomad, even if you never think about "Jshitt" ever again, we will always admire the work and passion you put into your videos. Consistently making high quality posts like this only proves your dedication for content and your live for art. Thank you Sir Nomad.
Hey guys, I'm a real bank teller and I'm here to review the accuracy of bank scenes in movies. Point Break; Actually running into the bank lobby with guns and... is that a Ronald Reagan mask?... Not a good way to make a withdrawal. If you want to make a withdrawal you wait in line until it's your turn, then you politely ask the teller to preform a withdrawal, you give them your account information and the amount you want to withdraw. You don't run in, fire your gun into the air, and yell at people. 2/10, Improper protocol, but banks do have money, they got that right.
I think a lot of people agree that it's hard to find a movie like whiplash, but I hate that I can't find a movie with insults that are as good or funny as the ones in Whiplash
I couldn’t take Adam’s review seriously when he, with all seriousness, nitpicked the scene where the main character says “I know whiplash by heart” by saying “you wouldn’t say that. You’d say ‘I memorized it”.
this isnt about the video (altho i rly did enjoy the vid) but i've been subscribed for a long while and in my head you have +1m subs i was geniunely surprised you didn't... 😭 really hope more people find your channel and watch omg
I’m a jazz university student and I love whiplash, because I didn’t view it as a “jazz movie”, because it’s not. However I think a big problem is that outside viewers often do view it as a “jazz movie”, it HAS effected how non-jazz fans view and interact with jazz music. And yes this is not the movies responsibility, but I think it’s understandable why jazz musicians don’t like this. I do agree though that instead of being a little baby about it the musicians should take it as an opportunity to expose real jazz to these people.
31:48 i was thinking about how mad i got over that clip the entire time. if he didn't like the song and had no input to make on it, why did he post it?
IMO the naysayers are jealous of the fact that this movie has influenced more jazz listeners and players than the naysayers music or playing ever will❤. My favorite Jazz album in Angles and Demons at play, bought it 25 years ago.
is that true though? i mean, i doubt adam neely's music is going to influence the mainstream of jazz much, though he's selling out all kinds of shows with sungazer (i'm not a huge fan of his music personally though). ethan iverson though is very influential, i mean the bad plus is one of the most important jazz groups in recent memory. since you mention angels and demons at play, iverson literally cites sun ra in his article. either way, i think this video has some very valid criticism, but still misses the point of why these people are criticizing the movie's, let's be honest, quite terrible depiction of jazz
The conductor of my all state jazz band went on a long tirade about how whiplash was horrible false representation for jazz. lol.This was a few years after the movie came out, I was a film nerd as well as musician so i knew he was talking out of his ass, it was a good movie!
I see that you’re very passionate about the movie and get frustrated when jazz fans don’t engage with the story and themes, so here’s a video I made on the movie’s stance on artistry, becoming the best, and all that jazz, I call Andrew by the wrong name but you might like it th-cam.com/video/nxrW0teWifM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=YElUQLrlyC-zuI47
The conflict between most jazz musicians and most fans of the movie Whiplash (and I do mean fans, not just the general public who liked it) boils down to two purists nerding out about their preferred art form. All the jazz musicians talk about is jazz and they disregard the movie and its context. You, similarly, disregard how the jazz musicians defend their passion, how they always talk about jazz as a culture and history rather than as another music genre. You saying you’re a jazz fan at the very end surprised me. How did you find that gentleman’s essay objectionable to the point of drawing such a massive strawman? The symbolic meaning of Buddy Rich as Andrew’s idol to emulate adds to the interpretation of the movie and its characters; doesn’t saying “No, he probably just likes him for such reasons, end of story” limit our understanding of the movie? Again, it’s good that you’re passionate, and if your and every jazzist’s reaction to Whiplash prove anything is that the movie stirs strong emotions on everyone, so it accomplishes what it aimed for. Them being protective of jazz reads the same as you getting defensive over the film, although in my bias they are more justified. In general, I think the section on Beato went on an excessively long tangent, and Neely’s video was not persuasively critiqued. They repeat their points: fine, but you should put the example and not repeat yourself as much either. I leave the comment to justify having watched the whole thing.
this! you took the words out of my mouth, jazz is not a few people on youtube who make youtube videos for a living (though ethan iverson is one of the most important jazz musicians of the 21st century). i think there's very real things and important things to talk about when it comes to how this movie portrays jazz, but the environment is just way too cloudy to even see to that.
I love hearing jazz musicians talk about jazz, and all who I’ve seen commentate on the movie Whiplash have all been very insightful. For some reason it’s the film bros who say “No! Talk about the movie and nothing else. No jazz talk allowed.” And it’s like… Going beyond the movie when discussing it enriches discourse and the viewing experience. I don’t know why they’re so averse to what amounts to very light criticism. Your comment motivated me to check out Ethan Iverson’s music, why is way overdue from my part as someone who’s only been seriously listening to jazz and learning about jazz for 2 years. Thanks!
I've always also been interested by the very personal takes and nitpicks people make about this film, when for me, I just think the dialog and writing isn't very good. JK Simmons is a cartoon character of an abusive teacher, and Andrew Neiman has literally nothing going on in his internal world. We're supposed to be fascinated by the mere existence of these characters, and I just don't find them compelling in any way. Their goals and motivations are mysteries, and even if they were properly illuminated, the characters don't bring any sense of charm to offset their inherently unlikable personalities. Technically the film looked and sounded good, it just felt miserable.
Great video Mr. Mad, I think a lot of musicians don't like whiplash because they think normies will believe this is what it takes to be a good musician or this is what the average musician goes through. Based on what you've shown, I think they view Whiplash more as a documentary than a fictional story. It feels like they're scared the movie's going to ruin the reputation of their field and themselves.
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as a jazz musician in college, i also love whiplash. i know a lot of jazz heads argue with it and hate that it “misrepresents” jazz, but i think it absolutely represents the worst of music school, of becoming a musician, of abusive teachers, of obsession and self-harm through practice, it highlights hardships not often brought to light. the music major is sometimes seen as “oh that must be such a fun major” rather than a serious, sometimes crushing endeavor, and I think whiplash handles it exceptionally well. it’s also a damn good movie.
The problem isn't the movie itself, but the idea that this is seen by the public as a "jazz movie" rather than an "abusive relationship movie". There isn't much jazz representation in mainstream media and so having the average Joe's first thought be Whiplash when you mention jazz to them is painful. I was so hyped to watch this movie when I heard about it because all I knew was "it's that jazz movie!" so upon learning during my first watching that it was actually NOT a jazz movie, I was very confused and disappointed. Since first seeing this movie, I actually witnessed people suffering under a passive aggressive band director so I don't hate the movie as much as I used to, though I still wouldn't enjoy rewatching it personally. In conclusion, review Kids on the Slope.
I also haven't finished your video yet as a disclaimer
Your segment on Rick Beato was very good, I haven't seen his vid but that's crazy to just review the trailer and call it a day. He's always rubbed me the wrong way as kind of a hostile boomer that hates new musicians vibe.
1:16:28 So true, big band vs small group is a whole different world. And yes you kind of need to be less feeling to play in a big band to get all the hits together with the rest of the band, you need to play the chart wheras in a small group you can be waaay more free.
You'd prefer "The Jazz Singer"?
Most of that sounds just like a You problem
Can’t believe you actually made the 2 hour video talking about Whiplash, the dream has come true. You’ve made me a very happy man today NoMad
i never knew people thought fletcher was a motivational figure😭like how do you miss the point that bad omfg
"sigma grind set"
@wrathofkaneeighty8 people using clips of whiplash in motivational contexts too like "i wanna be one of the greats" this is a film ab unhealthy obsession and it pains me to see people using clips to encourage viewers to keep honing their skills. literally use anything else bc ur being counterproductive
Underrated TH-camr
Fr ever since the schlat vids the algorithm has been putting his bangers in my feed, I dont even realise it's him half the time until i click the video
A TH-cam movie reviewer would never say "I love Whiplash", they would say "I like Whiplash, the film". 1/10 for accuracy
That’s true. Nobody loves a neck injury
Heard this and immediately unsubscribed
Despite Fletcher being such a standout character, the breakup scene is what really sticks with me. How much would you sacrifice to achieve greatness? And her mocking of the idea, it feels like the better my mental state is the more I agree with her. Taking care of your needs (sleep, socialization, etc) is essential to success, not opposite it.
Maybe it's just where I am in life, but I think that that's the climax of the movie. Everything before it builds toward his total rejection of his social needs. Everything after is the fallout of that decision. He lost the last thing he felt he had to lose, and his safety net (his father) was never going to be enough.
As an avid fan of TD Bloons, I must remind you to finish that TD Bloons 3 tribute
this man makes a 2 hour video and you apparently expect more
Been watching this video this whole time playing TD 6. Scrolled down accidentally and immediately Bloons
@@Numptaloid i enjoy all of Mr. Mad's videos, but the vigil must be kept
Erm a music teacher wouldn’t set up a film camera in their practice sessions to film themselves -15 points to gryffindor
a music teacher wouldn't be abusive -11101011 10100001 11010110 11010110 10011010 01100101 01101111 points
As a musician myself, I love Whiplash. No, I've never seen a situation like that myself, but... I mean... it's a discipline, you can find all kinds of weirdos in the medium.
And tbh it isn't the first nor the last movie to portray music incorrectly, and that doesn't take away that it is a good flick, or at least a very entertaining one. It's like bashing Karate Kid because it doesn't portray karate accurately.
The jazz musician reviewers remind me of the videos called like "pianos are never animated correctly!" and it was like an independent film with an indie budget
Admittedly, people like Charles Cornell and Adam Neely do still seem to have an appreciation for the representation of music in modern media. It's just that, with so much experience with the field, it's jarring to see such a number of (small) inaccuracies. They still seem to enjoy and respect the work of the creators behind them
@@quesopicante5743 idk its just so condescending and completely undermines art to tell someone they animated something 'wrong'
i love this video so much you clearly really understand whiplash and understand the difference between it not being a jazz movie and it being more of a thriller but with the back setting of jazz, i cant believe this is your third video about this topic and it still feels like its the things you are saying are different and fresh
2 hours of whiplash / jazz culture essay thingy, by this guy who keeps appearing in my feed? HELL YEAH
33:02 "In fact he just starts talking about spinal tap because his brain looks like a wind-up chimp playing Neil Peart" What a beautiful line
2 hours of nomad is an early christmas present
rick is the boomer final boss
Nothing like a 20 year old dissecting a TH-cam video I watched when it came out about a movie I saw in art school to make me feel old asf. This was great man well done.
just wanted to say before watching that your thumbnail game was on point with this one!
didnt even realize it was the schlatt man until after i clicked
"musicians love comedy about music" 35:56
w h a t ? ? ? cuz being a musician doesn't make you not like psychological thrillers about music
It’s wild how quickly this video flew by, watching again with adblocker off
gonna push back against a lot of this video's point that film criticism must be a certain way; i disagree with a lot of your decisions on what counts as "good insight" and "bad insight" and feel that a lot of these decisions are emotionally charged. (im a pretty big fan of adam and do admittedly have some personal stake though) it feels like a lot of this video boils down to you requiring that film analysis being how you want it, and especially coming from someone who really likes whiplash.
it really seems like youre only interested in purely plot-related reviews, though, which, i don't know, its not "bad criticism" to just focus on other elements of the movie for fun. i understand that it may be annoying when intentional discrepancies get dismissed as simple screenwriting/directing mistakes, but i also just get the impression that you get emotionally charged at anything less than a stellar review highlighting all of the great elements of whiplash. (so much of this mistaken "inaccuracy spotting" is just a misunderstanding that people may easily get if theyre watching isolated clips of the movie) it just feels like you get really mad about adam's nitpicking because most of it doesn't really have much bearing on the overall movie, but i dont feel that your criticism of the "inaccuracy spotting" being completely useless is fair at all. for example, the drummer at the beginning pointing out niemann's tense playing is cool to know, especially for me, a classical pianist who's tangentially interested in all the little tidbits of jazz performance information. adam's style of dry presentation isn't meant to be "passive aggressive" and snobbish more than it just being more of an internet persona that aligns with his more ironic sense of humor (i hardly think he was actually trying to mock you when he commented "lol, triggered"). it rubs me the wrong way when you get mad that adam spends time focusing on little tidbits of insight (whether you deem it legitimate or not doesnt really matter it's still neat insight in my opinion) rather than complimenting all the acting and whatever that's already been done dozens of times. i dont know, i think its nice to engage with media through different lenses for fun sometimes rather than "reviewing" it in standard ways (whiplash has already been "reviewed" in standard ways so many times, i hardly see why it matters that people go at it in other ways)
personally, as a musician, on my first time watching whiplash it rubbed me the wrong way simply because it doesnt portray music accurately. i understand that the "point" of the movie was to make music performance this grotesque form of itself to show the toxic relationships that it can form, but, still, it felt off. i'm actually really glad that adam came to and shared the conclusion that he did, because it let me put my own thoughts into my own words. as someone who has an intimate connection to music performance, it feels like music isnt the most condusive to this kind of story. i have to suspend my disbelief so much at certain points in the movie that it breaks the immersion due to my personal experiences. this isn't "bad criticism," it's just how i, and maybe adam, respond to the movie on a personal level.
kind of confused now why you made two videos on this one video of his with your first video receiving the same criticism i just made and you liking said comments implying that you appreciated what they had to say 😭😭😭
i could go through a lot of whataboutisms with this video that i left out in my original comment
you argue that these misrepresentations of the film draw undeserved negative reception towards it but you do the same with the subjects of these videos (you keep tone-policing adam's video and turn it from a relatively harmless and neutral self-aware tongue-in-cheek review to this malicious undeserved takedown of a movie)
you get mad that these reviews " arent good insight" then proceed to repeat this for every point of insight that these "professionals" point out
you.. get mad at nitpicking and then do it far more poorly and for longer and more unfairly..
idk id love to actually discuss this with you instead of getting mad at a wall but i wont expect that of you cause a 2 hour video is tough work and i dont expect you to have to read all the comment word walls on top of that haha
@@ciriuflus So why are you doing the exact same thing that Nomad is doing if it bothers you so much? I think Nomad's video hit a little too close to home for a few people and now they're writing their own essays in the comments trying to defend Adam's Cinemasins surface level critisms of a film.
@@SpungleGrundlei like adams video sorry man i dont think this guys criticisms are really that good and i think i explain why decently enough lol
we can do the whataboutism cycle forever but i cant be assed with internet drama with random people i just hope the original creator of the video sees this haha
Calling someone emotionally charged when you write a whole ass of essay to glaze a pretentious way of viewing a piece of art is kinda silly.
Also he is entirely objectively correct in saying that it is bad criticism to say a movie is bad or a bad representation of something because it has to fit within the format of a movie. Getting mad at the movie for having scenes that are tense where people are playing sloppy isn't constructive, it isn't something that actually helps make it a better movie, and it doesn't even actually provide any real insight for the audience. It's just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Obviously certain elements will have to be exaggerated or done in a way that isn't realistic because who the fuck wants to watch a two hour movie of people silently playing the drums with no expression and perfect technique??
If what you're whining about doesn't actually affect the movie's quality in a negative way, it isn't valid criticism and it's not being "emotional" to call that out as a blatantly reductive way to view film.
Even at the end where you're talking about how you respond to the movie personally, you're still not giving any actual criticism or proving any of his points wrong. You can feel however you want about a piece of art but that doesn't change it's objective quality. There's movies that are really well made that I don't like at all for personal reasons but I would never say they're bad or somehow a bad representation of something just because I don't like it.
Unless there's an actual flaw that can be fixed in order to improve the project, you aren't giving any valid feedback. Complaining that an instrument is being played wrong or that the main antagonist of the movie is presenting an incorrect point of view doesn't make you smart. Those things are intentional and even in places where maybe it isn't as purposeful to have inaccuracies, it's still an extremely low budget film from a first time director shot in a short time frame. Needless nitpicking serves 0 actual purpose and is just being pretentious for the sake of feeling like you're smarter than other people.
If you seriously think this movie is a bad representation of jazz because it's not literally just a documentary of real life people then don't even bother watching movies. Newsflash; film isn't supposed to be "realistic" or "accurate" to real life. It's meant to be an expression of thought and emotion conveyed through picture, sound, and prose. That's the point of a movie.
As a musician I love this movie - I take Adam Neely's point that it's bad that "nobody has fun" in the movie, but lets be honest we've all met a musician who wasn't having fun because they're too lost in the next recital or next exam (which is the critique the movie makes)
Very lucky of all those who never had an abusive mentor.
43:05 the irony of this, he's not putting the actual work to find out if music is dying, and yet he's saying that people don't wanna do the work in music, art, and (for some reason) video games
though, i do agree at 44:21 sorta, if you're depending on a machine to do art for you, you're limiting your creativity and your potential. but if you're using a machine to help you do art, for example using an animation software that allows you to tween your animation so you don't have to waste minutes or hours of your time trying to rotate and position the dang part or shape to be where you want it to be
video games do be art tho
@@clanofclams2720 but video games have been the most popular it has ever been in history since its popularization in the 70s & 80s
Musicians are so pretentious in that way where they don't even know they're being pretentious holy shit lmao
Whiplash 3: NoMad Returns
My own thoughts on this; Adam naming the majority audience that love Whiplash into "People", already shows that he believes that since he knows about music more than the average person, he is better than them intellectually, but makes sure that the people watching his videos, the audience, are not a part of the "People" he questions, so that he isn't insulting his audience.
This Us vs Them mentality and superiority is very apparent when he uses language like "Do People, really think it's like this?" "Do People think drumming looks like this?" "Here is what real true practice looks like in MY video."
Adam questioning the People's perspective on such simple aspects in a joking or asking through laughter like "Do YOU really think jazz is like this?", makes the "People" seem intellectually inferior to Adam and his audience, strengthening the image that Adam is reliable and trustworthy.
whiplash actually got me into jazz because it made me realize i had so much more to achieve as a drummer
i've been watching your videos for a few months now and it's really nice to get such insightful commentary and interesting content topics from someone who's like a real person. my favorite thing about you is the amazing work you put out without ever sounding pretentious. i expected you to have blown up by now, i was surprised by your subscriber count. keep up the good work, it's so refreshing :)
so my takeaway would be the shocking realisation that jazz musicians may be good at jazz but pretty bad at spotting abuse
this movie doesn't accurately showcase the nu jazz trip-hop lofi hip-hop jazz rap shoe gaze future soul ambient jazz psych jazz post-rock experimental hip-hop jazz fusion indie R&B cloud rap electro-soul vaperwave jazztronica as a drummer of 39 years at harvard during the napoleonic period. 1/10, very inaccurate.
The point you are trying to get across Adam Neely is also the point Adam Neely is trying to get across about Whiplash. Just as the purpose of Whiplash is not to be accurate and taken seriously, Neely's video is nicknamed "critic by a jazz musician" and he stresses at the beginning of the video that the review is gonna be nitpicky and pedantic because that's what he was trying to do: he was trying to not do the unoriginal movie review and made more of a critical view of the tiny mistakes the movie made when compared to real life.
Just as you say Whiplash's unique value is not in its realism, Adam Neely's video's unique value is to BE realistic. There's nothing wrong with that.
By the way I hate Adam Neely because he's annoying, but to be fair he acknowledges at the beginning of the video that he's going to do a realist take on the movie, giving his own insight with his own experience, I don't know why you were expecting a full drama movie critique.
"Today I'm reviewing this wheat bread... Why isn't it sour?"
@doofusloofus8359 So stupid to imply Whiplash has nothing to do with jazz and no one can talk about except letterboxd folk. It's called content! You always want to make it original and from your own perspective. Neely is not a film critic, and probably his friends and audience were bothering him to talk about the movie, etc. Such a disingenous response.
But it’s not a jazz movie. It’s like reviewing Ratatouille based on the accuracy of the rats and giving it a 1/10 because rats don’t talk.
@@redspiderlilys6 That's not the point you bozo. When making content for TH-cam you don't have to engage directly with the content you're reviewing, you have the liberty to engage in whatever way you want. I'll give you an example: those videos called "Honest Action" where they analyze how many times the Wet Bandits would have died if Home Alone was realistic. It doesn't have to be serious. Adam Neely CLEARLY specifies in the beginning of the video that he is going to review the movie only from the perspective of jazz. There is a purpose to that also, as many people unrelated to jazz could see Whiplash and misinterpret that it's a common occurrence, or that everything about the film's way of learning music is valid and accurate. Neely is simply saying "here's all the stuff I know for a fact aren't in this way". He clarified that the movie was good, and that it's not the final review of the movie. I think he was in his right to make that video and he was probably right about all the things he said in it. Still a pedantic twat btw but still, I feel like people purposefully mock him as if he was trying to review the movie seriously when it was clearly a gimmick and a gag: the video is called "as reviewed by a jazz musician". He insists he is not a movie critic, just a jazz player.
If you want to review Whiplash seriously you have a movie critic channel, but if you're Adam Neely you just talk about jazz and you review all the jazz related elements of Whiplash and then move on. It's not hard to understand, and it's not hard to TOLERATE. But so many of you are twice as pedantic as he is by saying "BUT UM EXCUUUUSE ME it's just a movie YOU NITPICKY SHIT" and it's like yeah, it's just a movie, that's what he is saying.
@@redspiderlilys6 hasnt responded in 10 hours hes washed + dumb
Before watching the vid, I have to be honest; as a Jazz musician this is one of my favorite movies. I hate that the crux of the issue with people like Neely and Beato is "It's not realistic to the art of performing jazz"
Of course it isnt realistic, it's a movie. Jazz performance is just the backdrop for the actual story which is an abusive relationship and the lengths people will go for success.
Adam saying it should be a sports movie, and then having the ‘Music should be fun’ segment genuinely angered me, because how can you not see that I could make that exact point with sports.
Shouldn’t sports be fun? But if I’m watching a movie about a player who pushes themselves the point of destruction to try and be the best in the world, the fun isn’t gonna be there anymore
45:19
How was a obvious joke not obvious to you?
"Jazz drummers are never animated correctly"
This guy makes Adam Neely look deep.
please make more whiplash on whiplash please please please please please
Incredibly well thought out analysis and arguments. I died laughing 1:43:50 with the clip you used, perfect sarcasm, hit me like a truck. Outstanding vid
You're putting out banger after banger, I'm loving this consistency. As someone who has watched almost all of these analysises to get really interesting insight from professionals i had the exact same gripes and annoyances and it's so cathartic to hear this from someone else. Thanks man.
34:08 i like whiplash as a film but as much as i hate to admit it, i gotta agree with Beato here, as a drummer punching drumhead (especially the well made one by Evans like they one they used in the scene, and they even used the 2ply coated one) is almost impossible no matter how strong or how angry you are. You will ended up hurting yourself. Realistically , the condition of the drumhead have to be really wear down or poorly made in order for it to be easily broken. BUT, as a film enthusiast i can understand the purpose of the scene and yeah not every thing has to be accurate.
ALSO speaking of Greyson Nekrutman, now he plays for metal band and people were kinda upset on why he never play jazz anymore lol
What Nomad is missing is what Whiplash could be for jazz musicians! The film could be more accurate to the jazz culture, but the story would have to be more sensitive, the characters would have to be portrayed with more contradictions.
Making and studying music is full of contradictions! It is fun and rewarding but it also has all the toxic elements in the film. However, if the film wanted to be more accurate it would have to be less Hollywoody and more artsy.
A film with similar themes, but dealt in a much better and more matture way is 2022's Tár. All the characters are more complex than Whiplash. The discussion on aesthetics, ethics and culture on the dialogues are great and Todd Field gets the technicalities of classcial music right!
Nomad is accusing the musicians of not understanding that jazz is the "setting for the movie". But setting is also important, and it could be done poorly, and if done so, it will break the suspension of disbelief for those who can pick up on those flaws!
For kinda cheap american entertainment is good for what it is, but why getting so worked up about the consensus in the jazz community in regards to a 10 year old film that was ridiculously popular!
Isn't Tár a US film too?
Nothing has to be accurate in a MOVIE and how “deep” a character is SUBJECTIVE
@Igorsbackagain-c6q Nothing HAS to be accurate in a film. Still, if it's not, it will break the suspension of disbelief... if the story happens in a jazz environment, it's just weird for a musician to see something that makes no sense, like a bass player moving his hands up and down the neck weirdly when he's supposed to be playing a walking bassline. It takes you out of the movie experience. Now, I understand that this won't happen to a non-trained person. And that's fine. But it will happen with jazz musicians, and pretending that it won't is just silly.
@BodaciousCarmichael It is, and it's also part of the same cultural industry. My point was that even in Hollywood, it is possible to do a better job!
@@JohnathandosSantos let me put it this way if New York is the setting of your movie you shouldn’t expect it to be accurate because IT IS A MOVIE ONE THAT HAS A CREATIVE VISION let me repeat CREATIVE VISION
Wow my 2 favorite things are coming together yippee
I'm coming together
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I personally saw Fletchers character as the embodiment of the troubles the world gives someone with a larger goal than normal. Someone that comes from a normal background that leaves them at the mercy of the world and how you have to practically be off your rocker to achieve a higher than average goal. Working 16 hours a day for 20 plus years while walking a fine line because you cant afford one mistake while surrounded by people who want to use you to elevate their own status and if yhey cant use you, theyll destroy you, take everything and leave you with nothing over and over until you learn how to combat, deal with and overcome while becoming apathetic to your own suffering for the sake of obtaining something greater than your father (who will never understand) did. Just a rando thought🤷♂️
This was a goontastic video
I’ve never seen the movie, nor do i know anything about jazz, but damn do I love a video essay breakdown like this
After watching this video, you seriously deserve more subs. On top of being hilarious, you seem to have a knack for seeing deeper meanings & understanding storytelling tropes… unlike most of the jazz ppl in this video.
Great watch 💀
Schaffer is based on Juliard, i would say maybe the manhattan school of music. MSM is the harvard of jazz music.
i wouldn’t call berklee the harvard of music. not saying anything bad about berklee but ur first statement there just isn’t true
thanks for making this. I was irked by youtube jazz musicians taking a dump on this movie back then. Black Swan isnt a documentary on ballet. Tar isnt a documentary on classical music and Whiplash isn't a jazz documentary. These films are character studies on messed up artists. And as an artist i can draw kernels of truth from each of these films. I never had a band director assault me but i have sacrificed my sanity to "git gud" and it wasn't worth it.
Sir Nomad, even if you never think about "Jshitt" ever again, we will always admire the work and passion you put into your videos. Consistently making high quality posts like this only proves your dedication for content and your live for art. Thank you Sir Nomad.
I ain’t watchin allat
Nomads, my dad
I remember you saying you would make the Whiplash video, I’m happy it’s here
A two hour nomad video, Welp gotta go back to my cave
1:13:55 “white iverson… when i started ballin’, i was young”
finally, someone who understands
the soundtrack is by itself pure cinematic gold.. yet pearls for the swines
great movie imo
That adam guy looks more like an insurance adjuster as opposed to a jazz musician.
This is not a video about Whiplash😂 This is just some dude hating on Rick Beato
most jazz musicians like whiplash because its a good movie. most jazz musicians dislike whiplash as an accurate representation of studying jazz
"i thought he just wanted pictures of spiderman" laughed out loud there @49:55
Hey guys, I'm a real bank teller and I'm here to review the accuracy of bank scenes in movies.
Point Break;
Actually running into the bank lobby with guns and... is that a Ronald Reagan mask?... Not a good way to make a withdrawal. If you want to make a withdrawal you wait in line until it's your turn, then you politely ask the teller to preform a withdrawal, you give them your account information and the amount you want to withdraw. You don't run in, fire your gun into the air, and yell at people. 2/10, Improper protocol, but banks do have money, they got that right.
I think a lot of people agree that it's hard to find a movie like whiplash, but I hate that I can't find a movie with insults that are as good or funny as the ones in Whiplash
I couldn’t take Adam’s review seriously when he, with all seriousness, nitpicked the scene where the main character says “I know whiplash by heart” by saying “you wouldn’t say that. You’d say ‘I memorized it”.
8 views in 2 minutes? damn that's crazy
this isnt about the video (altho i rly did enjoy the vid) but i've been subscribed for a long while and in my head you have +1m subs i was geniunely surprised you didn't... 😭 really hope more people find your channel and watch omg
I’m a jazz university student and I love whiplash, because I didn’t view it as a “jazz movie”, because it’s not. However I think a big problem is that outside viewers often do view it as a “jazz movie”, it HAS effected how non-jazz fans view and interact with jazz music. And yes this is not the movies responsibility, but I think it’s understandable why jazz musicians don’t like this. I do agree though that instead of being a little baby about it the musicians should take it as an opportunity to expose real jazz to these people.
31:48 i was thinking about how mad i got over that clip the entire time. if he didn't like the song and had no input to make on it, why did he post it?
pretentious jazz obsessers thinking they have to negatively critique Whiplash because it doesn’t get everything perfectly: 🤤
It gets everything 180* wrong
1:09:12 this made me realize why there would be blood in this movie, neiman has put his blood, sweat, and tears into becoming the greatest drummer
love the video!
to me it seems like instead of a "sports movie", whiplash is more like the "breaking bad" of jazz
or at least with the superficial coat of "jazz"
19:59 the thing is... even good directors stop at random spots all the time for very small nueances, especially with what is suppose to be a good band
IMO the naysayers are jealous of the fact that this movie has influenced more jazz listeners and players than the naysayers music or playing ever will❤. My favorite Jazz album in Angles and Demons at play, bought it 25 years ago.
is that true though? i mean, i doubt adam neely's music is going to influence the mainstream of jazz much, though he's selling out all kinds of shows with sungazer (i'm not a huge fan of his music personally though). ethan iverson though is very influential, i mean the bad plus is one of the most important jazz groups in recent memory. since you mention angels and demons at play, iverson literally cites sun ra in his article. either way, i think this video has some very valid criticism, but still misses the point of why these people are criticizing the movie's, let's be honest, quite terrible depiction of jazz
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the movie is called whiplash because that is an injury you get in car accidents WOAH
im so glad another rick beato hater exists
Just this once, I'll be nomad, while watching NoMad.
"To be a legend you have to be in the present."- NoMad
Really good video!
Nomad’s “just watch the movie” is like schaffrillas’ “JUST USE THE DEHYDRATION GUN”
The conductor of my all state jazz band went on a long tirade about how whiplash was horrible false representation for jazz. lol.This was a few years after the movie came out, I was a film nerd as well as musician so i knew he was talking out of his ass, it was a good movie!
I see that you’re very passionate about the movie and get frustrated when jazz fans don’t engage with the story and themes, so here’s a video I made on the movie’s stance on artistry, becoming the best, and all that jazz, I call Andrew by the wrong name but you might like it
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The conflict between most jazz musicians and most fans of the movie Whiplash (and I do mean fans, not just the general public who liked it) boils down to two purists nerding out about their preferred art form. All the jazz musicians talk about is jazz and they disregard the movie and its context. You, similarly, disregard how the jazz musicians defend their passion, how they always talk about jazz as a culture and history rather than as another music genre. You saying you’re a jazz fan at the very end surprised me. How did you find that gentleman’s essay objectionable to the point of drawing such a massive strawman? The symbolic meaning of Buddy Rich as Andrew’s idol to emulate adds to the interpretation of the movie and its characters; doesn’t saying “No, he probably just likes him for such reasons, end of story” limit our understanding of the movie? Again, it’s good that you’re passionate, and if your and every jazzist’s reaction to Whiplash prove anything is that the movie stirs strong emotions on everyone, so it accomplishes what it aimed for. Them being protective of jazz reads the same as you getting defensive over the film, although in my bias they are more justified. In general, I think the section on Beato went on an excessively long tangent, and Neely’s video was not persuasively critiqued. They repeat their points: fine, but you should put the example and not repeat yourself as much either. I leave the comment to justify having watched the whole thing.
this! you took the words out of my mouth, jazz is not a few people on youtube who make youtube videos for a living (though ethan iverson is one of the most important jazz musicians of the 21st century). i think there's very real things and important things to talk about when it comes to how this movie portrays jazz, but the environment is just way too cloudy to even see to that.
I love hearing jazz musicians talk about jazz, and all who I’ve seen commentate on the movie Whiplash have all been very insightful. For some reason it’s the film bros who say “No! Talk about the movie and nothing else. No jazz talk allowed.” And it’s like… Going beyond the movie when discussing it enriches discourse and the viewing experience. I don’t know why they’re so averse to what amounts to very light criticism.
Your comment motivated me to check out Ethan Iverson’s music, why is way overdue from my part as someone who’s only been seriously listening to jazz and learning about jazz for 2 years. Thanks!
fun fact........
*playlists are for spotify*
Imagine reading an article on Whiplash and have a sub section about reparations. Insane
Jesus, for as cooked as Adam can be, Ethan Iverson is so much worse. My face hurts from grimacing
I've always also been interested by the very personal takes and nitpicks people make about this film, when for me, I just think the dialog and writing isn't very good. JK Simmons is a cartoon character of an abusive teacher, and Andrew Neiman has literally nothing going on in his internal world. We're supposed to be fascinated by the mere existence of these characters, and I just don't find them compelling in any way. Their goals and motivations are mysteries, and even if they were properly illuminated, the characters don't bring any sense of charm to offset their inherently unlikable personalities. Technically the film looked and sounded good, it just felt miserable.
I don’t think a physiological thriller is really supposed to be a charming movie
A dark psychological thriller about abuse is miserable! Wow!
And that’s finnnne it’s just not your type of movie it’s only a problem when you be condescending about it
Berkeley is not music Harvard. This shit is what people who know shit don’t take this movie seriously.
thanks 4 spoiling the movie for me
1:44:22 the way you said that is awesomr
Rick beato has NEVER made anything worth listening to. The mix and recordings of his band arent even good 😂
Great video Mr. Mad, I think a lot of musicians don't like whiplash because they think normies will believe this is what it takes to be a good musician or this is what the average musician goes through. Based on what you've shown, I think they view Whiplash more as a documentary than a fictional story. It feels like they're scared the movie's going to ruin the reputation of their field and themselves.
Dear god I hope this elicits a response 😂
1:30:00 Had to do a jig out of pure anger. I understand
good video Mr. No
1:17:32 that's the prog guys, even stuff like tech death stays in 4/4 for the most part.
Also, mean.
(Metalheads are 90% annoying and 10% hot air tho)
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11:56 dubstep songs are at 180 and that's quick
This is good
40:15 I'm assuming that picture is ai, which is ironic given that he had just complained about the use of generative ai
I love this whiplash saga going on