HERE is the weird. The Lore of ALAN WAKE 2! (pt. 2)

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  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    52:51 I've seen theories that filmmaker Zane is poet Zane's Scratch.

  • @Viryl_TV
    @Viryl_TV 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +94

    What a video. It's so incredibly well put together that it's actually almost making sense to my smooth monkey brain.

    • @TDawgBR
      @TDawgBR 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So much insight and incredible ability to untwist this story.

    • @requiem51
      @requiem51 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Koala brain

    • @steveghikadis
      @steveghikadis 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Koskela brain

  • @Xehanort10
    @Xehanort10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    18:42 The Dark Place Casey acts more like Max Payne than the actual Casey right down to the monologues.

    • @XvKJP2015
      @XvKJP2015 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      That is because he is the one from Alan's books, and the one in the real world isn't.

  • @mrhat1073
    @mrhat1073 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    35:12 when I first reached this part when Alan shot Casey, something about the way Casey lied there looked familiar. it's near identical to the tarot card of the Hanged Man. as the camera moves away from Casey, it makes sure to show him in the upright position. this card can be interpreted as release or sacrifice, which is fitting because Casey had found release from the Dark Presence.
    I wonder if there's any other tarot card connections in the game, there's no way they would stop at only one.

  • @rocketmancmbn
    @rocketmancmbn 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    Re Ahma Beer: in the Dark Place you can find a neon sign that indicates that it is brewed in Watery. So, made from water from Cauldron Lake. Basically like drinking the Dark Place. You can find empty bottles at most abandoned camping sites in Bright Falls etc. Maybe it turns people into Taken?

    • @mythiccarrot8523
      @mythiccarrot8523 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The beer is advertised by the koskela brothers. That wouldnt make any sense. I think the beer is sort of like a vaccine against the influence of the dark presence, thats why the cult drinks it.

    • @XvKJP2015
      @XvKJP2015 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      No, Alan drinks some, and so does Barry in Alan Wake 1. It gives you insight or knowledge, and enough protects your memory from story changes. from forgetting the real reality. Old Gods moonshine is made from the lake. Their memories are immune to the story changes that is why they know what is really going on and know Alan wrote a horror story.. When Alan drank it in Alan Wake 1, he remembered the week he forgot before waking up in his wrecked car.

    • @SephirothinLEGO
      @SephirothinLEGO 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@XvKJP2015 therefore that's probably how alice unlocked her memories at the beareu.

    • @nicoskalampokis7568
      @nicoskalampokis7568 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @user-sj8to3un3l is it not the moonshine that gives you those effects, or is it possibly just both and they have that effect due to the water from the lake being used in their brewing methods?

    • @levischooling6279
      @levischooling6279 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't the koskella brothers make the beer? If they're warding people away from cauldron lake, why would they make beer from it?

  • @BlazingOwnager
    @BlazingOwnager 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    29:34 I actually just played the AWE Expansion of Control recently, and it's rather fascinating how well it connects. She sought help from the FBC, but when she was there, Hartman knew she was there and reached out to her with the dark place. They got her out of the building quickly.
    But it makes complete sense why she suddenly remembers. The FBC didn't do that to her; Hartman did.

  • @delmattia96
    @delmattia96 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Honestly, I really like the idea that the Devil in the Hotel Murder Scene is, actually, Film Zane.
    It would give weight to Cynthia's words of her spending time in a hotel with Tom.
    Also, Alan says that the Dark Presence was "attracted" to the darkness of the scene, so it was not necessarily It.
    He also seems to be the kind of being to go full Method Acting.

  • @nendymion
    @nendymion 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    A couple neat things to point out is that the shadow in the dark place much like the taken take all their dialogue from Alan. Where as the Taken in the real world just repeat what is read in the manuscript pages, the shadows in the dark place repeat what Alan says in the videos you find of him. More explicitly they grab nearly all of their dialogue from one specific video where Alan goes crazy enough to start eating his own pages. With Alice, you can kind of infer that she is in the dark place or that Scratch is near when you watch her videos. There's just a single lamp in the background that is the only thing you can see besides her. Every once in a usually when she is talking about something that is dark, the lamp will begin to flicker.
    For Zane, I really never thought of him as the doppleganger to the Zane from the first game. A thing to consider is that Zane has been trapped in the Dark Place since the mid 60s and has been attempting to escape ever since so his desperation to leave is understandable and would go towards explaining why he would strike a deal with the devil as it were considering Alan decided to give up and condemn them both. The attitude change can be explained as Zane losing himself in the Dark Place much like what we see happen with Alan. The only difference between the two though is that Wake has a support structure trying to push him along his path while Zane had noone. Not even his wife since she was overtaken by the dark presence for who knows how long. With the Dark Place being able to bend reality and manipulate those inside it's plausible that Zane eventually just forgot who he originally was and took on the persona of a movie maker that played a poet. Or conversely he's merely playing a part that Alan wrote for him since Return is Alan's side of the story much like Mr. Door except that Zane is influenced by Alans writings.

  • @daveinvictus
    @daveinvictus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    14:24 the way the music starts on the mention of Ahti felt so good!

  • @Fragmentsinfractals488
    @Fragmentsinfractals488 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    "Said The Words" "Here's the Words to Lead you on, The Lore will meet Us, when we're Gone". "Thank you!"

  • @Tamisday
    @Tamisday 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I hope you know that your lore videos are exceptional. I always look forward to them. Hands down, yours are the top of the class.

  • @IamDevine138
    @IamDevine138 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I woke up to an alert for this and I literally gasped with joy. Amazing analysis

  • @jamesabernethy7896
    @jamesabernethy7896 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I missed Part 1 coming out so only watched it a couple of days ago. I loved Alan wake when it first came out, if felt like a unique blend of gaming and storytelling. I follow several lore and retrospective channels and each of you has your own style. I love how easy you are to listen to, there is so much energy and personality in your narration. It brings the games to life. The editing is also quite smooth. The mixed media of the game is a really effective method of storytelling. You play the game and experience the in-game cutscenes but you also see live action that your senses tell you is real and yet it isn't quite right. You question reality. I don't tend to watch your streams, i'm not much of s streaming guy. These lore videos are amazing.

  • @BlazingOwnager
    @BlazingOwnager 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    37:00 I don't know about that not looking like much fun. Zane knows how to party.
    My favorite part of that cutscene was the drunken "I NEEEdd The Cliiickerrrr hahahahhaa" from Wake.

  • @megciftci9187
    @megciftci9187 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Tiptoe, I only recently became a fan but I am utterly in love with your content, thank you thank you thank you! Also, I love that one clip of Scratch dancing that you kept reusing, absolute top tier clip

  • @BlazingOwnager
    @BlazingOwnager 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    37:25 Ahma in Finnish apparently means "Glutton." Zane being the source of the recurring Ahma Beer joke makes a lot of sense.

  • @DRAPION54
    @DRAPION54 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Yet another fantastic Alan Wake/Control video, good work!

  • @farawaytales4396
    @farawaytales4396 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video for the weekend to relax. Thank you for covering Alan Wake, always loved the theme and story of the world!

  • @catrianheir
    @catrianheir หลายเดือนก่อน

    Something that might be worth noting is that the area leading up to the murder site in the subway bears a striking resemblance to the Foundation where you get Ahti's Walkman. Also if you use the Torchbearers story prompt in the Collapsed Tunnel area you can see a mural of a giant tree on the wall which is what the oldest house used to appear as before it was a building. I dunno exactly what all that implies, but it definitely implies something.

  • @Gar32856
    @Gar32856 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Genuinely the best Alan Wake 2 lore video by far. The most detailed I have seen.

  • @Michelle4PTG
    @Michelle4PTG 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nice action, Thanks for the sweet playthrough, my friend. Keep up the wonderful work. 😺😺❤️❤️

  • @Spiralobsession
    @Spiralobsession 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I really appreciate this series, so well made and I know these kinds of things take ages to research and compile!!
    (I do giggle at "jyytyn jyy" every time tho but I know English speakers really struggle with "yö" because it's the 2 most foreign sounding vowels for them together. Also Ahti becoming something that sounds like "Oddie" is funny. This game is way too Finland-egostrokey, I get embarrassed by how blatant that is when I play Remedy games, we like attention way too much over here.)

  • @itsobviiouz7988
    @itsobviiouz7988 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The way I’ve been constantly checking your page and notifications for you his part 2 is wild

  • @TechNoir808
    @TechNoir808 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely love your control and alan wake videos, thanks so much for making them!

  • @vegaskullkid4503
    @vegaskullkid4503 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    WOO! MORE ALAN WAKE! This was made exceptionally well lady Tip and you’ve done spectacularly as usual.

  • @alexandramoise3604
    @alexandramoise3604 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I absolutely loved the musical performance. The best thing that I ever experienced during a game❤

  • @gwentReznor
    @gwentReznor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Been binging your remedy lore videos over the past few days and words can't describe how happy I was to notice aw2 part 2 was uploaded right as I finished part 1 😁

  • @Voltaic_Fire
    @Voltaic_Fire 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What you've said has really changed my perspective on the whole game, I was thinking about it all wrong! I am really looking forward to part 3, no matter how many ads the Dark Presence throws in my way.

  • @Setsuraful
    @Setsuraful 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Friendly reminder that The Old Gods of Asgard have their own youtube channel with the music from Alan Wake 2.

  • @alext3431
    @alext3431 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    at 35:37 Alan goes into room 665 - I've been playing Control for the first time over the last week, and I remember that at one point in a film reel, Casper Darling is talking about..... something, and an assistant asks Darling for a code, I think it was to get to the Black Rock Quarry? and Darling says the code is "665 - the neighbor of the beast," referring to 666 being the number of the biblical beast. I wonder if that's a synchronicity thing or if it's just one of those things the developers liked and wanted to reference.... or maybe you're about to talk about it but I got too excited about making this connection and I should really just go resume the video lol.

    • @barkasz6066
      @barkasz6066 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      665 “the neighbor of the beast” is a recurring reference Remedy uses since Max Payne 1.

  • @Tobascodagama
    @Tobascodagama 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loving this episode. It's *such* a hard story to unwind and lay out linearly, but you've done an incredible job of it.

  • @Twin_Pixel
    @Twin_Pixel หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is absolutly fantastic; this recap is so dense, smooth and polished, it must have taken you a great deal of time to cram all this stuff together and make it sound so fluid. Is there any chance you'll look into gnostic themes in AW2? Maybe highlight connections to Twin Peaks and other stuff?

  • @sajcfan
    @sajcfan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I've seen many Alan Wake/Control story explanations and yet your video series does an exceptional job covering it all. Consider me a new fan :)

  • @Valerie_Valkyrie
    @Valerie_Valkyrie 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic video! Amazing effort piecing together the spiral madness of this game 🔦
    Excited for part 3!

  • @thewanderingartists
    @thewanderingartists 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    She's back ❤

  • @Atmatan
    @Atmatan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh my God. 11 minutes in and my brain is already making noise that it never made before.
    This series is so awesome. I'm glad I have you so I don't need to play it.

  • @Lightningtiger101
    @Lightningtiger101 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Lol I just finished your series on control and the wake part one. Thank you for the Depth you accumulated from both games. And now part 2?

  • @JuandiegoAvilaNEVAAA
    @JuandiegoAvilaNEVAAA 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    JUST AS I WAS THINKING THIS DAY COULDN'T GET ANY BETTER

  • @valokraken2293
    @valokraken2293 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    37:18 I don't know if the Ahma beer has a role in the game but it's propably a reference to Finnish beer brand Karhu.
    ahma = wolverine
    karhu = bear

  • @redacted8846
    @redacted8846 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the video! And the rock opera was just top notch!

  • @Slothisticated0252
    @Slothisticated0252 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What if Zane was part of the Blessed organization and that's why he panics when Jesse peeks in through the tv

  • @Tuaron
    @Tuaron 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wow, tying in American Nightmare? Had not expected that, I'd heard people just say "AW2 retcons AN out of the lore", so this was a neat acknowledgement. Absolutely love these videos, the presentation is fantastic and I really feel like I understand what is actually going on in these games (something I've needed even for the Remedy games I did beat). I look forward to the conclusion.

    • @Viryl_TV
      @Viryl_TV 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She recently finished American Nightmare (over on the Lets Play channel) and decided there were some good nuggets of info. Even though some don't consider it canon or relevant to the overall narrative, I'm glad she went through it to find out herself. It was a fun watch.

    • @delmattia96
      @delmattia96 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      I mean, American Nightmare does plant a lot of seeds for Alan Wake 2:
      - Scratch;
      - The importance of Rituals;
      - Looping;
      - Etc.
      The setting itself could be treated as a huge Overlap, with the Night Springs episode and Alan's draft of Return touching each other in a place in Arizona where the border between reality is thin.

    • @Tuaron
      @Tuaron 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Viryl_TVI'm certainly glad she did, too. I just hadn't expected it, based on what I'd heard (admittedly, I haven't played AW2 and only vaguely remember AN, so I was just foolishly "trusting the internet").

    • @Tuaron
      @Tuaron 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@delmattia96Ah, fair enough. I never played AN myself, just watched a playthrough years ago, so I'd just relied on what I heard from people after AW2 came out. Cool to know.

    • @delmattia96
      @delmattia96 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Tuaron Yeah, no problem :D
      Honestly, in my heart I had no doubt of it being canon (even if at the very most as Barry's dream, since we see him sleeping at the start and waking up at the end of the game).
      Inside the game we get the song Balance Slays the Demon which:
      - Gives us proof of the Music Tour that brought Barry to build the Valhallha Nursing Home;
      - Sets up Control with its backwards lyrics.
      Still, thank you for sharing!

  • @everost4398
    @everost4398 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm loving your analysis and videos so far

  • @riceniceman548
    @riceniceman548 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still can't believe Poe did an original song for this game, it's affirming, like a spiritual epilogue to House of Leaves.

  • @winterknight5923
    @winterknight5923 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I read the page that told of how Odin lost his eye. It never specificed who or what did it. It only said that this confrontation was a battle between deities. The Dark Entity was what it was referred too. I thought Odin and Tor made some sort of deal with The Dark Presence to keep it buried within the Lake. What I did not realize that it could have referred to Door as the deity Tor and Odin struck a deal with that night.

  • @craig5322
    @craig5322 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    24:12 I had no idea that was there

  • @valsalrveig
    @valsalrveig 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    we are blessed to have you, I'm blessed that TH-cam algorithm leads me to you❤

  • @TerryB01
    @TerryB01 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Alright more Alan Wake!

  • @edburton6801
    @edburton6801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn. You’re very good at this. Thank you 🙏🏻 😁

  • @Atomy111
    @Atomy111 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You sure took a sweet while releasing these :D at least you took so long they revised the ending and you can put it in part 3 now lol

    • @Viryl_TV
      @Viryl_TV 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      She waited until the "Alternative Narrative" aka New Game Plus came out before starting on the vids since rumors were that it added new storyline elements and a "true" ending 👌

  • @fattiger6957
    @fattiger6957 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I feel like the Zane Alan meets in this game is a personification of Alan's resentment towards filmmakers. During the first interview with Door, there is hints that Alan didn't think very much of the filmmakers that adapted his Alex Casey books. I feel like Alan had a bad experience with a pretentious, wannabe auteur kind of director and the Dark Presence used that feeling to create this obnoxious Zane.

    • @everost4398
      @everost4398 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I think that line Alan says about the adaptations is a subtle reference to the Max Payne movie starring Mark Wahlberg. Remedy wasn't involved in the making at all

  • @Rupert_Astralnauta
    @Rupert_Astralnauta 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The very best of the lore ladies I've known

  • @ElPresidenteMargz
    @ElPresidenteMargz 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Mr Door trying to all the sudden act like a doting father is kinda rich . Like, buddy, you gladly took a deal to not see your daughter again 😂

  • @kyleharrison713
    @kyleharrison713 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The actor playing Alan Wake could pull of a Rasputin role any day haha.

  • @RonaldoLuizPedroso
    @RonaldoLuizPedroso 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video 😆

  • @sethkarma2072
    @sethkarma2072 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think maybe when Alice went to the FBC the close proximity to Hedron was able to free her mind from being influenced by reality shifts/changes in the "story"? Sort of like how Polaris keeps Jessies memories from being affected? The Dark presence seems to be a resonance much like Hedron and the Hiss.

  • @matthewzehnder1466
    @matthewzehnder1466 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Any drug fueled bender worth it's salt has to include plenty of refreshing Ahma Beer.

  • @nickmurray2390
    @nickmurray2390 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Uhhhhhhh so what if Alan is just a liar trying to steal someones life. He isn't the writer, he is clearly the actor. Maybe my brain hurts too much to be sure.

    • @Viryl_TV
      @Viryl_TV 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This whole series is "Brain Hurt: The Video Game". My theory is that Alan Wake is actually Zane. The Zane we interact with is from a different part of the spiral. I have no basis behind this theory 🤷‍♂

  • @schronkfire
    @schronkfire 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Every time you said "champion of light" soon to be followed by "herald of darkness" I took a shot. I don't recommend it, lol

  • @edoardodicesare2373
    @edoardodicesare2373 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Omg I just realized something at the end of the video, you know the line "this is the ritual to lead you on?" I think that refers to the "trojan horse operation" as you called it, where Alan gets in the real world, and Scratch possesses him. I think the Casey echoes in the dark place are real, they are events from the time he was investigating the cult in New York 10 years ago. That's why the cultist says to Alan "you are in the final steps of your journey". Him giving the skull to Saga leads to her boss fight with Nightingale, which eventually leads to the Dark Ocean Summoning that causes Alan to pop out in the real world after he had just experienced Initiation 8

  • @yokai333
    @yokai333 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The herald of lore

  • @Fernlom
    @Fernlom 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Working through this playlist, curious to see if you’ll end it with Alan ending up in Dead by Daylight. Loving the journey meanwhile

  • @ForestRaptor
    @ForestRaptor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Oh snap! I completely missed the release of this video! How the hell did this happen!?

  • @AndyJP
    @AndyJP 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ahhhhhh my head!

  • @catrianheir
    @catrianheir หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wait wait wait. So American Nightmare is bad on purpose? Nice. I can dig that!

  • @andreasreinhardt8753
    @andreasreinhardt8753 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So weird, so confusing, so good... Is Mr. Door the real master of the dark place? What is Ahti? Some interdimensional being?

    • @MinecraftLD10
      @MinecraftLD10 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mr.Door relates to Quantum Break.

  • @cregerbot8217
    @cregerbot8217 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    24:09 - I had heard rumors about this, but never found it! Where can I find it in game or does anyone have a video that has this piece in it? Thank you!

  • @Ragnorok657
    @Ragnorok657 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The collective unconscious is a powerful thing .

    • @vermiform
      @vermiform 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I learned that from Persona 5

  • @Atmatan
    @Atmatan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    For your own sanity, it's easiest to talk about non-linear time in terms of 'turning points' and 'observations'.
    Any moment that can be experienced is a turning point, and any moment that has been observed is a collapsed wave-function.
    Depending on context, whether or not an observed point becomes reality is up in the air.

  • @JMsolidsnake
    @JMsolidsnake 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ah yeah a new video!

  • @nightcrawler5696
    @nightcrawler5696 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tom is Sane

  • @Chibi-kittenplays
    @Chibi-kittenplays 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    anyone but me that feels the new york thing is from their other game Max Payne?

  • @guccipucci3941
    @guccipucci3941 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Yuhten Yu 😭😭😭😭

  • @ScaricoOleoso
    @ScaricoOleoso 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just want to take this opportunity to apologize for Mr. Scratch. I did that. 😔🤓

  • @Thechezbailey
    @Thechezbailey 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People who remember the past, and whose memories are less affected by the dark place, all call Alan "Tom," specifically Ahti, Tor, and Odin. It bothers me way more than it should. It doesnt fit.

  • @piusdoe8984
    @piusdoe8984 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    W

  • @ericneo2
    @ericneo2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All these Alan wake videos sound like the ramblings of a lunatic because nothing makes sense.

    • @XvKJP2015
      @XvKJP2015 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It makes sense. You just need to actually play the games. Some stories are too confusing for some people, though. It happens. The story is intricate, but it isn't hard to understand. They explain a lot. The hardest part is Tom Zaine and who he is or why he isn't a poet. Some remember him as a poet, some as a writer. Besides the mystery around him, the rest is pretty easy. It still has unanswered questions and some vague points, but not too bad

  •  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The musical number is indeed truly one of the most amazing pieces of gaming history ever!! ^w^)/b