Causing a Holy Commotion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2023
- The plaintiff rented space for church services from the defendant. She claims the defendant shut off the electricity and made the plaintiff unable to hold services in the defendant’s property. She’s suing for breach of contract and mental aggravation. The defendant argues the plaintiff never paid her the full amount, so she’s countersuing for unpaid rent and mental aggravation.
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The plaintiff lost me when she said her members aren’t trained to pray for mentally impaired children. That’s weird 😒
I don't get it either...I'm neurodivergant and don't understand why there would be a difference or "special training".
Or maybe I do, because...There isn't one.
Special needs or not, you'd do what you would for someone who isn't. Speak sensatively, refrain from using unsafe and vulgar language, and just ask for blessings/good health (and/or life)/whatever.
I'm personally not religious as it is, but even if I was, I don't need prayer, I just want good ole support and to know people care. Prayers don't do anything. Or at least, not for me. /shrugs
😂😂😂😂no bull shit. Like why did she get uncomfortable when saying that like something is wrong with them.
That confued me...I didnt think you had to be trained to pray for a child
Actually she lost it, in my book when she made up that bull$hit lie about the defendant making the racial slur to the kids!
Imagine someone bring you a disabled child to pray for them and you don't want to pray from them. This church/service is weird. I think the lady was hovering because she felt it was her church which irritated the Pastor who was renting the space.
I'm really surprised the plaintiff, being a pastor, could not pray with the mother and child with special needs😕.
Yep!
As I've always said, when the sign on the door says "everyone welcome" doesn't mean "everyone" is welcome.
I think she’s mentally impaired lol
I just prayed for them and I'n an atheist.
Yea that was weird to say cause I didn’t know it was certain prayers for different individuals smh
The plaintiff's view on mental handicapped people is deplorable.
Seems like she was searching for the word, trying not to use something inappropriate as the R..word...because why make a big deal out simply praying for the individual..
@@nicoleh.6352 exactly she's acting like it makes him unworthy to her God
She saying the kid was basically disturbing while they're having service. I've seen that firsthand, it can be awkward but not a huge deal if the kid isn't being a nuisance. You can't just walk in a Bible study and ask for prayer there is an order to things lol
@@nicoleh.6352 liked the way the judge left her dangling and searching for the word instead of filling it in for her
The plaintiff should have used the words a "special-needs" child, that's the proper way to say it. Also when she said the other church members aren't trained to pray over somebody like that, that's one of the stupidest things that I've ever heard. You don't need "special training" to pray over someone, you just pray. God doesn't require someone to have any special skills to come to him in prayer about someone or a situation.
U don't have to be trained to pray. Anyone can pray. Ur vocabulary does not have to be big, God hears and knows what's on ur heart. Although the special needs person may have been disruptive, but how can u turn away someone asking u to pray for them. Love this judge and I thought her ruling was fair.
This sound more like a social club, as opposed to a true church.
The blind leading thr blind.
That comment was so odd, I’m like we have to be trained to pray? 🤔
💖🙏Amen
We don’t know if the members were new to the faith or if they even felt comfortable praying. If people could just pray any kind of way, then Jesus wouldn’t have shared what the foundation of prayer should be aka The Lord’s Prayer. You don’t have to have to have eloquent prayers, that part I do agree with.
Prayer is talking to God, this plaintiff is obviously in an inclusive church and that is not uncommon. Unfortunately.
Two "Christians" suing each other with hefty mental aggravation fees, makes me not trust either one of them.
I always imagine counter suits are reactions to being sued.
They don’t seem like real Christians
Exactly!
That's why I'm not a Christian
@@brianub9694 they aren’t Christians they are fakes. I could say I’m a vegetarian and then eat meat when no one is looking..
Plaintiff did not explain her case. She was very confusing
What kind of ‘pastor’ says they don’t want a disabled child present at a church… and says other people can’t pray for said child because they “aren’t TRAINED to pray for a special needs child”….. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU???? I’m not even religious but this has boggled me. Vile behavior.
ikr I wouldn’t want to ever walk past her church not less attend!
She never said that. She said the lady brought the special needs child and requested prayer in the middle of Bible teaching. If you’ve ever been to church, most places have a specific time for prayer, depending on the leadership. She even said she invited the lady to the services and the issue was her being disruptive. Some of y’all take bits and pieces and run with it.
@@80sGal88 I’m sorry.. did she not say they weren’t trained to pray for special needs?!?
@@80sGal88 5:13 if you need to watch again.
@Jen Elizabeth she definitely said that. I have never been to a church that refused to pray for someone.
Damn not praying for someone who is handicapped savage
First the plaintiff said the defendant was there every time they had service, then she turned around and said that they only used the facilities once, then she started telling all the different times 5th he defendant interrupted. It sounds to me that she used the facilities more than a few times.
I noticed the same discrepancies. Totally inconsistent.
They're both liars. The plaintiff definitely held more than one service and the defendant definitely made changes after renting it out. The defendant for sure also made those comments about the children being different skin colors. You can tell by her reaction the second the plaintiff brought it up. Both are pastors... not surprised that they both sat there and lied. 😂😂 church and jesus is one of the oldest scams.. of all time.
i noticed that too . and women should not be the highest level leaders in the church , the bible makes that clear so dont blame the messenger . even the country gets that because we STILL have never had a female president because men are by nature given that place by God and women that seek that are in opposition to God .
Exactly 💥
She said they used for Bible study and service. And said they only had one service so im assuming all other times were Bible studies so not a lie
I don't care about the ruling, however it is HIGHLY inappropriate to ask a child "why are you light and the other is dark" and JM has the nerve to say "was she trying to make small talk". WTF 🤷🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️ that's not small talk especially with a child
Right! It’s very inappropriate! My daughter was completely white for the first 7 months of her life(she has Italian and Irish in her genes). Everyone would ask me , inappropriate questions instead of actually reading up on dna, genetics and etc . That’s not light conversation and people don’t take it lightly.
@@LoveHeatherHeadly "Irish" and "Italian" aren't related to genetics in any way. You do understand that?
Exactly
People ask me that about my son. It doesn't bother me. I'm black, and my son is significantly lighter than me. Why should that bother anyone? I ask that of parents, I don't ask kids cuz they wouldn't know the reason for their skin color.
I totally agree, but this judge is something else
Honestly. I didn't understand this case. Both parties were very confusing.
Some cases are confusing, we don’t get it from start.
Damn. Judge Milian delivered real ROUGH justice to BOTH parties. OUCH.
Sometimes justice has to be served this way, even in the real small claims court. Happens a lot these days.
but what do u think God would have told both of them ? God used the judge to tell them like it is .
@@marleonetti7 😆😆😆
Wasn’t rough, was right ?
I believe she asked that child that question because anybody that hides behind their religion as a reason why they can't do something is definitely doing it
Facts
I believe she said it and tried to hide behind her religion. Despicable!
i knew the accusation of racism was coming . she knows being a black person that making that accusation has helped her in the past but God stopped her this time and she lost the case .
@@marleonetti7no that’s stupid and racist remark in itself. So you yourself need to peel back those racist layers that lie within your soul…n do not dare attempt to gaslight…also idgaf if ur cousins best friends third cousin removed twice is black…cause I know that dumb sht is coming…I stand ten toes down on u r a racist claim…
not her place to ask anyone anything. the plaintiff was a tenant.
this creates a contract, and that contract states they deserve and are allowed that space for themselves. i’m a landlord and i respect my tenants space because it’s not just legally enforced but it’s the right thing to do. they pay for that space so leave them alone.
she should have been there at all.
she shouldn’t have been intruding.
she shouldn’t have been a part of that congregation.
she kept expressing that she was a pastor, well as a pastor you’d thing she’d have enough respect for others to let those tenants have their time in that rented space and not bother them every single Sunday.
12:38 The two women saying “your honor” at the same time and JM saying “no” has such children both doing something wrong and each trying to get the other in trouble with mom vibes. I love the way she shuts them down in that moment 😂
The "pastor" says they held just one service...how in the world was the landlord so disturbing? Why didn't the pastor allow the congregants to pray for the impaired person? Ain't trained? What kinda church you running?
My thoughts exactly!
One service but they also have Bible study that's not Sunday service
You don't have to tell anyone you're a Christian or Pastor IT SHOWS IN YOUR WALK, YOUR CHARACTER AND AURA.
I'm glad neither one of them received any thing they need to be ashamed of themselves🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Coffee in bed and Peoples court…Happy Monday❤
The fact she made a big deal out of simply praying for someone tells exactly the kind of church she leads... smh..church folks...neither carried themselves as such, glad the judges pointed that out...
I don't think the defendant did anything wrong other than reacting to a lawsuit against her. She shouldn't have countersued.
I absolutely agree with you, prayer for others is not something you should "contemplate or be concerned about" tells me all I need to know.
@@MrCharlesEldredge : come on, the plaintiff rented that space. the defendant was bothering her every sunday by sticking her nose in there. every sunday.
she should have had enough respect to not bother her.
just let her have her bible study and that’s it. just leave her alone.
but nope, the nosey annoying pastor just had to annoy those people. nothing wrong you say?
i don’t think you would want that defendant coming over your house every sunday bothering you and your family. every sunday!!!!!
no respect and no boundaries.
@@ginoasci2876 every Sunday? They only held service there once
@@Beth-mi2hf it doesn't matter if it was once half-a-day half a minute. It was the plaintiff's space and the defendant as a landlord had no business poking her nose in and showing up. Plain and simple.
I knew 7.5 minutes into this case how the judge would rule. Now, both parties should write this off, forgive, and move forward. So sad, they should both be embarrassed
amen .
Many of these cases, one can tell how she will rule after a while by the line of questioning
When a church has a grand opening, I can't imagine that's an actual church. That's what businesses do. It feels she was more trying to start a church to get rich than she was to minister.
It's not. If it's a woman leading the "church," it is already starting off on the wrong foot. The Bible makes it clear that only men can hold that office.
But even with male pastors, the majority of churches in modern Western societies are designed to be run as businesses.
Well, a real Minister goes to school. I'm assuming from her accent that she was born in the United States and that English is her first and maybe only language. Yet she was really screwing up verb tenses. She probably only knows one language and she can't even master that? SMH. If she was a foreigner that would be different but she's not.....
@@NJgateway Ministers and Preachers don't HAVE to go to school. If you are talking about a seminary school, just because there are schools that teach theology doesn't mean that they HAVE to go to school to be a Minister or Preacher. My grandfather was an ordained Baptist Minister for over 50 years and he didn't even have a high school diploma. Most of the small churches in the southern US would disagree with your statement because probably 99 percent of the Preachers haven't been to a seminary school.
its supposed to be a calling , not a crreer ! too many ministries are being run like a business and not a service to God . and the church is not a building , but it is the body of christian believers .
@@NJgateway schools are just another scam to make money and furthermore a minister is a person who is called by God to do a service for Him and all one need know is what the bible says and the proper understanding thereof in which schools are not necessary .
"I'm a pastor" ... that's like saying "I'm a Christian". As if slapping one of those labels on yourself somehow means that you can do no wrong.
Exactly. I'm so tired of people using that as a crutch.
In fact, it means you are MORE LIKELY to be a bad person, in my experience.
Small claims court, AKA "The Great American Lottery". 🙄 And a pastor claiming they wouldn't pray with somebody with special needs because they're not _"trained"_ to do so (whatever that means) is frankly quite disturbing and sounds like the exact _opposite_ of fellowship.
I wish I had pictures of this facility. I’m not understanding what’s going on here at all.
Not only was my church super supportive of me despite my mental illness, I played drums for them for YEARS, this plaintiff is a qwack.
She was there every service.
We only had one service.
This is sad, should be showing compassion and care and these two ladies didn’t.
This is the type of thing that is frustrating to other Christians we are given a Bad Name by people like this! This is where people come in saying Christians have the holier-than-thou attitude and not all of us are like that! Obviously Christians aren't perfect we sin but we are supposed to do our best to be good people and open everyone with open arms! I would pray for anyone! I don't care where you come from, what your circumstances are, or who you are! You don't need to be trained to pray, praying doesn't require some type of schooling or speacial training you just say what's on your heart and pray to god.
The defendant looked wonky when she first enetered, staring at the plaintiff. Then back there eating with the guests. 😂
Great decision judge, seen right through them
Every time I hear someone talk about how they are a good Christian or they did it out of the goodness of their heart because it was the Christian thing to do, I automatically dislike them. Every single time, they turn out to be rude, hateful, scheming, etc.
I know several people that live following real Christian values. Do good unto others. Love thy neighbor. Put good back into the world, even if no good is done to you. Not ONE of them brags about their religion. They just live as good people
I GUARANTEE the defendant was hovering around, changing stuff, and interfering. I GUARANTEE IT!!! Standing around watching, and not letting her enjoy and use the space. I hate when people do that both sides BS like the judge just did. It’s not both sides. Smh
The plaintiff claimed the defendant was doing that at "every service" and then later stated there was only 1 service. The testimony did not make any sense.
It's utterly disgusting that these two ladies, who call themselves pastors are bickering like little children. This case is just ridiculous.
She said that mess about them kids and the other lady didn't want to pray for the other child because she had her meeting set up and the owner just walks in asking for a prayer. Both are petty and were fed up with each other.
Why does the plaintiff look like Nene Leakes?? 😅😅😅😂😂
Yesss 😂
Season one NeNe...😊
@@nicoleh.6352 right! Exactly 🤣😂😅
Judge Milian not knowing how to use that old ass phone 😭
Go home... Well said by the judge at the end...
I love the Judge new highlights. It looks really nice on her
I think it was a good judgment. Zero zero.
When someone ever has to throw “I’m a Christian” into the mix you should know not to trust them.
The way the Defendant was staring down the Plaintiff tho. . lmbo
I don't believe the plaintiff AT ALL. She seems so shady and contradictory. She keeps saying that she never got to use the church but at the same time she states the defendant was always there. Which is it?
They are both really terrible in this situation. Goodness … one can’t pray with the special needs child and the other is questioning children in their origins. Literal madness
The judge is on point! Nothing gets, Pastor...😂
Whenever I hear someone say they are a Christian, I am immediately on guard and run the other way fast!!!
Typical religious hypocrites. “We weren’t trained to pray in the presence of someone’s disability”. Basically, you’re welcomed in our service if your considered “normal”.
Those ppl in service of "God" sure are serious about their tax free money.
Harvey is so gross with his "people of the cloth" comment. I can't believe he still has a job. Next it will be "do you think black people are more likely to rob you"? 🙄
Wont be attending either one of their churches anytime soon!
I believe the plaintiff is telling the absolute truth. The defendant probably doesn't even realize what she was doing wrong.
Absolutely agree…. I’m totally with the plaintiff!
What a wacky church, I think they are both using religion for their own capital gains.
And their own ego.
You think 😏
So it was a disruption to bring someone that wanted prayer to the church?
what kind of training do you need to pray 😂
The power and leading of the Holy Spirit, as well as an understanding of God’s Word is who trains.
There is a such thing as vain powerless prayers. Lots of people pray, but this doesn’t mean that they are praying with or to the right spirit or with a pure heart.
Lastly, if people could pray any kind of way, Jesus wouldn’t have mentioned the foundation for prayer aka the Lord’s Prayer.🙏🏾🌎🌏🌍❤️✨
“I’m a pastor. I would not say bad things.”
Since I am a pastor, I know that statement is a lie. I can say bad things.
A holy commotion....the writers really describe these cases with the titles
How was she always there with people, eating, sitting, song for people questions...in the one service you had?? All this happened in one evening??
I wanted this answered as well. Claiming she was there being disruptive every service yet also stating they didn't get to have any use of the space
its almost as if pastors are just in it for the money 🤷
I’m totally positive…. (the defendant was a pain in the a*s!!!!
This goes to show you that some people are not meant to be pastors!
She shouldn’t have been in our service? Training for prayer? Problem because you’re being asked to pray for someone outside of service? Sounds like this “church” needs more relationship and less religion
Two pastors that can’t get along, how can they expect their flocks to get along?
I believe her with the thing about the skin complexion, old Asian women ask questions like that...because they ask at the nail shops...
You are right on that. My wife is Asian and other Asian women that are middle-aged and older that my wife & daughter encounters at the store, mall, and even at church asks or comments about my daughter's complexion all the time. My daughter has gotten so tired of it that she does not respond except rolling her eyes/shaking her head at them and walking away.
@@randys6220 It's curiosity... what's so wrong with someone taking an interest? I'm black, grew up in Africa when I relocated to the UK I was fascinated by the different eye colours and hair colours of Caucasians. I'd ask questions but in turn they always found my braids/Afro interesting. The would even ask why my brothers were really dark whilst I was very light skinned...I think people are ever so keen to see the negative in every situation instead of embracing people taking an interest in what makes us unique.
@@JustMe-ug3mk I'm an older guy and I nor has my wife ever walked up to a parent or directly to a child/teen, and comment/ask about the child's/teen's skin tone being light or dark as compared to relatives/parents. It is inappropriate to say the least and creepy as hell to the extreme. If it is considered normal behavior then the defendant would not be so adamant that she did not do that and look so embarrassed about it being brought up. Your context/circumstances are totally different than was being described.
It's a matter of perception, most races usually have the same shade of skin tone as their family members yet black people come in all sort of shades. I find absolutely nothing wrong with anyone asking why my siblings and I have different shades. If it's an usual for that person, they may just be curious. Really and truly... nothing wrong. People will try and find something negative in situations where negativity is not intended. It's not like they insulted the child or treated the child different because of their skin tone.
@@JustMe-ug3mk I would just tell you or anyone else that asked it is none of your ** business about my child's skin color and tell you or the person to never approach us again. I would make sure to be loud enough so anyone else around can hear what is going on so you get the shocked stare downs.
She couldn't pray for a mentally impaired child because it would cut into Bible Study time/they're not "specially trained"?!? Disgusting. Just absolutely disturbing. She's in it for the "adoration", not for God. And I guarantee the Defendant didn't ask the question about the child's skin tone. It makes no sense. Just no.
It's really sad that it seems like there was a communication breakdown and just an overall misunderstanding. This could have been a really good partnership.
& that’s what you call a ✨WASH✨
This is ridiculous. I have seen one church hold many services at different times and not once have I seen where one service overlapping into another as a bad thing. Church is a body of Christ, the more the merrier no matter the ability, color, gender or language.
Wow, just wow!
The plaintiff should go buy her own church since she complained about everything. Dag the defendant can’t even get prayer for the handicap
Doug is such a bulldozer lol
The plaintiff was turning the property into a church, without getting approval from the city or town zoning committee. And then the Defendant wanted to change the inside of the newly created illegal church to her tastes. And the plaintiff was calling the starting church services, "A GRAND OPENING." A church never has a GRAND OPENING. LMAO! I laughed so hard I almost fell out of my chair. LMAO! And then the Plaintiff complained about someone bringing in a Special Needs child, which that is discrimination against the handicapped. And then the defendant admitted to holding her church stuff in the afternoon. A competition between the ladies began the troubles. LMAO!
Omg this case was so annoying to watch. Idk why I didn’t skip 😭
Every church and service should be open to Everyone and you don't have to be trained to pray for someone!! What ,!,!,?? They are both crazy
My goodness " I brung it there" the word is brought. And as for not being trained in praying, never heard anything like that before.. ridiculous
It doesn't take any training at all to pray, for impaired children or otherwise. That's a very odd and stupid thing to say.
Wth is the Plaintiff talking about!!??
Not trained to pray for a child because he’s mentally impaired. And feeling uncomfortable? Super weird.
The asian lady was feeding three victim role lol when the judge was telling the other lady she cnt get money back lol😂
"This is my pulpit". Her Honor nailed it.
how is a church getting mad at someone attending a service.
It’s one thing to attend. It’s another to be disruptive and out of order.
For the defendant owner to host a separate tea and chat/snack time at the back during the plaintiff's service is definitely disruptive.
The man at the end be so aggy sometimes, he messy at🤦🏾♀️🤣🤣🤣
Not the pastor doing the accent when quoting the defendant. Ma'am 😭
Shortcomings on both sides. What a shame people behave this way in the name of Christianity. Neither should call themselves pastors.
Anytime a case starts with a million details, and is all over the place, is a recipe for disaster. They be sent packing, denied claim.
Ppl sue over ANYTHING.. RIDICULOUS
Coming from a bishops daughter, this is normal church behavior behind the scenes
I agree with the judge. They could have learned so much from one another. Everyone near would have benefited from their relationship.
She was monitoring her. That's weird!!
So just how much training does it take to pray for someone? What a load of bullcrap.
You dont need any special training to pray, just a loving, kind ♥
I just came to point out the judge didnt make a scene when this lady called her maam at 6.25
The pastor in the green needs to humble herself. Difference would have never made a difference in their line of work. Ceremony and service may differ. However, the end all be all is the same goal💝
She brought a tracphone on the peoples Court bih 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wow this should have never happened to begin with let alone brought into a court over someone wanting prayer during bible study and changing the space you're renting with others churches both of them are ridiculous the text shows how gross the landlady was too. The judge made the best decision on the case IMO.❤
These are the types of people who are in heaven. Who needs this headache in the afterlife😂😂
Why is the Plantiff's voice changing
Sometimes mine changes when I get nervous!
Owh I understand
Wait they can’t pray for mentally impaired people ? Umm what god are they worshipping. God makes no mistakes
Prayers has to come from the heart.
You gotta be trained to pray ?huh ??
All people are God's children. How can you turn them away?
I’m confused. If the defendant is a pastor too, why couldn’t she pray for the child?