Looking at the galactic map for an SW5E campaign, I was like, "some of these in the northern Outer Rim sound really familiar. ... its because they were from the Heir to the Empire trilogy and the Specters duology.
It’s interesting how in Zahn’s original interpretation of post-Endor Star Destroyers were a big deal and in very limited quantity. I’m unsure if that is because most were destroyed during the rebellion or if in his mind not that many were made in the first place. I doubt know if there was any ever indication either way, or any way at all really. But the explanation later writers came up with to contextualize why he had so few star destroyers what with the politicking, paranoia, and selfishness of the imperial warlords is very clever. Thematic even. It’s the kind of thing that makes me wish there were actual novels about these other warlords, not just guide books and magazine articles. Ah, alas. At least I can play Greater Maldrood in Thrawn’s Revenge.
It's hard to say. Zahn would have been justified, I think, in assuming that Imperial Star Destroyers were rare. Vader's fleet in Empire Strikes Back had 5 plus the Executor. The Battle of Endor was supposed to be a big operation for the Empire, and how many Star Destroyers did we see there? At the same time, some writers have proposed that the Empire had about 20,000 ISDs at the height of its power, which *sounds* like a lot - I certainly think its a bit much - but Sci-Fi writers have a habit of underestimating the scale of a sci-fi setting, especially when an entire galaxy is involved. I don't think there's a solid number on how many inhabited worlds or systems there are in the galaxy or in Imperial space, but it may be the case that 20,000 ISDs really is what's required to police-state the whole Empire. Of course, generally speaking the exact numbers don't matter for most stories. But Star Wars seems to be a franchise that often gives precise details like that, either because the fans want them or because so many writers are willing to deliver.
I do like the idea of capital ships being far more scarce and meaningful, but scale things are a trap. 20,000+ star destroyers makes it hard to believe the loss of individual ones could matter, but tons of people have had a go at the Grand Army of the Republic for featuring a single-digit millions number of Clone Troopers for a galactic-scale war, even a rigged one. If I was in charge of lore stuff, I'd refuse to give specifics as often as possible, especially overall numbers, scales, power outputs, etc. People do clamor for it, especially the nerds that love this genre (like me), but what people say they want and what they actually want and what they should get from your story are all different.
Amazing video! I'm looking forward to the next one! This will make great reference material too for my Empire of the Hand AU. It's certainly shorter than going and re-reading the trilogy again.
5:10: Not that deadly of a ship in X-Wing Alliance though. The X-Wing Nebulon-B felt more like what the Lancer should have been. Neat seeing some comic book adaptation pages here, especially 9:05. I really wonder how Maarek Stele, Thrawn's finest ace pilot commander, was doing during all this. Maybe the same goes for his New Republic counterpart Keyan Farlander, before he joined the New Jedi Order sometime later. Also, I wonder if Ace Azzameen had ties with what will eventually be the Smugglers' Alliance.
"History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all."
Thrawn like any tale red commander Makes sure that the logistics of his military and any campaign are solid and capable of taking the strain of whatever he puts them through, help by all the technology he finds on wayland.
You think Feylya had a vendetta against Ackbar? I never saw it that way, it never seemed about Ackbar to me, it was about Feylya wanting more power for himself and Ackbar just happened to be in the way - but anyone else who was successful could easily have gotten his ire, if they didn't work for him. I felt like he'd have thrown about anyone under the bus if he thought it would work.
That was part of *why* he had the vendetta against Ackbar, but the end result is him having a vendetta against Ackbar, which remained even after Ackbar wasn't an immediate obstacle.
@CoreysDatapad Did he still care after Ackbar retired? I guess there were a couple points when he does mention Feylya didn't want him coming out of retirement so I suppose that makes sense. From that POV, that's totally a vendetta. That's personal at that point.
If Thrawn had, had the active and whole hearted support of the empire political and military establishments instead of their grudging support. During his campaigns, then those resources combined with the actual Resources at his disposal, would certainly seen him conquered the new republic instead of just falling short.
Such is Multiversal Theory. One man can be capable of something where another iteration can't; an example would be the DC Animated Universe Batman not having very good relations with the Bat-Family as many years pass compared to The Batman 2004's and The Brave and the Bold's.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Vader "give" the Noghri to Thrawn well before the Battle of Endor? That's what I always gathered from how it was presented in the Thrawn Trilogy, but that might have been clarified later on down the line by something I haven't read.
I've always felt there was a big flaw with Thrawn's art-based strategic theory. How would Vincent Van Gogh's species react, compared to Leonardo da Vinci's?
The problem with that argument is that we have no extraterrestrial art to compare human art to. You're making an assumption based on a single data point.
Thrawn was from a galaxy far away a long time ago, so naybe that's why he hasn't subscribed. Mind you, I don't imagine such a trivial thing as death wpuld really stop him.
This one was so artistically done.
*french kiss comment
But with no knife in the back, natch.
@@michaelandreipalon359 That's why you Like and Subscribe; keeps the knives away...
The Thrawn campaign was so... artistically done.
Very good video!
It is always a joy to see these Campaign breakdowns, they've only increased in quality over the years and they do you credit.
Looking at the galactic map for an SW5E campaign, I was like, "some of these in the northern Outer Rim sound really familiar.
... its because they were from the Heir to the Empire trilogy and the Specters duology.
It’s interesting how in Zahn’s original interpretation of post-Endor Star Destroyers were a big deal and in very limited quantity. I’m unsure if that is because most were destroyed during the rebellion or if in his mind not that many were made in the first place. I doubt know if there was any ever indication either way, or any way at all really.
But the explanation later writers came up with to contextualize why he had so few star destroyers what with the politicking, paranoia, and selfishness of the imperial warlords is very clever. Thematic even. It’s the kind of thing that makes me wish there were actual novels about these other warlords, not just guide books and magazine articles. Ah, alas. At least I can play Greater Maldrood in Thrawn’s Revenge.
It's hard to say. Zahn would have been justified, I think, in assuming that Imperial Star Destroyers were rare. Vader's fleet in Empire Strikes Back had 5 plus the Executor. The Battle of Endor was supposed to be a big operation for the Empire, and how many Star Destroyers did we see there?
At the same time, some writers have proposed that the Empire had about 20,000 ISDs at the height of its power, which *sounds* like a lot - I certainly think its a bit much - but Sci-Fi writers have a habit of underestimating the scale of a sci-fi setting, especially when an entire galaxy is involved. I don't think there's a solid number on how many inhabited worlds or systems there are in the galaxy or in Imperial space, but it may be the case that 20,000 ISDs really is what's required to police-state the whole Empire.
Of course, generally speaking the exact numbers don't matter for most stories. But Star Wars seems to be a franchise that often gives precise details like that, either because the fans want them or because so many writers are willing to deliver.
I do like the idea of capital ships being far more scarce and meaningful, but scale things are a trap. 20,000+ star destroyers makes it hard to believe the loss of individual ones could matter, but tons of people have had a go at the Grand Army of the Republic for featuring a single-digit millions number of Clone Troopers for a galactic-scale war, even a rigged one. If I was in charge of lore stuff, I'd refuse to give specifics as often as possible, especially overall numbers, scales, power outputs, etc. People do clamor for it, especially the nerds that love this genre (like me), but what people say they want and what they actually want and what they should get from your story are all different.
The New Republic could never get a massive Win in Legends without the writers always *somehow* managing to turn it around on them.
Grand Chadmiral Thrawn
Part 2 when? This was a really enjoyable video, I hope there is more on the way.
Amazing video! I'm looking forward to the next one! This will make great reference material too for my Empire of the Hand AU. It's certainly shorter than going and re-reading the trilogy again.
Nice, Love your Animated Map videos Dude, You put so much work into them, Hoping you'll do one for Xim and his Empire eventually.
5:10: Not that deadly of a ship in X-Wing Alliance though. The X-Wing Nebulon-B felt more like what the Lancer should have been.
Neat seeing some comic book adaptation pages here, especially 9:05.
I really wonder how Maarek Stele, Thrawn's finest ace pilot commander, was doing during all this. Maybe the same goes for his New Republic counterpart Keyan Farlander, before he joined the New Jedi Order sometime later.
Also, I wonder if Ace Azzameen had ties with what will eventually be the Smugglers' Alliance.
"History is on the move, Captain. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all."
Awesome work! Masterful editing and visuals.
Amazing work Corey, love this animated style keep up the great work.
Love your videos explaining campaigns.
Do one about the clone wars next! This was phenomenal! Great job!
Look forward to seeing the next part
You should do a campaign map of the yuuzang vong war! I would love to see that.
Thrawn like any tale red commander Makes sure that the logistics of his military and any campaign are solid and capable of taking the strain of whatever he puts them through, help by all the technology he finds on wayland.
This is so cool and I love it
Funny to see again how few ships were part of those important actions!
That was freaking sweet
Are we gonna get more animated breakdowns?
At the risk of cursing it by saying this, I'm trying to get to at least one per month.
@@CoreysDatapad nice work !
You think Feylya had a vendetta against Ackbar? I never saw it that way, it never seemed about Ackbar to me, it was about Feylya wanting more power for himself and Ackbar just happened to be in the way - but anyone else who was successful could easily have gotten his ire, if they didn't work for him. I felt like he'd have thrown about anyone under the bus if he thought it would work.
That was part of *why* he had the vendetta against Ackbar, but the end result is him having a vendetta against Ackbar, which remained even after Ackbar wasn't an immediate obstacle.
@CoreysDatapad Did he still care after Ackbar retired? I guess there were a couple points when he does mention Feylya didn't want him coming out of retirement so I suppose that makes sense. From that POV, that's totally a vendetta. That's personal at that point.
If some how, some way, in a galaxy far far away… if we could get Marc Thompson to voice and Corey to animate, I see a perfect mini series
Well done
Thrawn may not have subscribed but I have been for a while now.
If Thrawn had, had the active and whole hearted support of the empire political and military establishments instead of their grudging support. During his campaigns, then those resources combined with the actual Resources at his disposal, would certainly seen him conquered the new republic instead of just falling short.
3:20 Ironic goven how much the canon thrawn books very clearly and repeatedly say he is TERRIBLE at politics lmao
Such is Multiversal Theory. One man can be capable of something where another iteration can't; an example would be the DC Animated Universe Batman not having very good relations with the Bat-Family as many years pass compared to The Batman 2004's and The Brave and the Bold's.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Vader "give" the Noghri to Thrawn well before the Battle of Endor? That's what I always gathered from how it was presented in the Thrawn Trilogy, but that might have been clarified later on down the line by something I haven't read.
With production value like this, it would have to take a mortal wound to keep Thrawn from liking and subscribing… hmm…
I've always felt there was a big flaw with Thrawn's art-based strategic theory. How would Vincent Van Gogh's species react, compared to Leonardo da Vinci's?
The problem with that argument is that we have no extraterrestrial art to compare human art to. You're making an assumption based on a single data point.
@@jeremycooney7976 I seem to recall one or two data points (pieces of art) forming his assessment.
The real Thrawn. Not the discount version we have now
Umm, Storm Hawk. Not Star Hawk.
More good reason to dislike that one-trick pony ship class from Disney Canon.
Thrawn was from a galaxy far away a long time ago, so naybe that's why he hasn't subscribed. Mind you, I don't imagine such a trivial thing as death wpuld really stop him.
I want to see these views in EAW
Why no camera mod?
A camera mod for the galactic level? You can't mod that to be free view, it's at one fixed level.
The music is so loud and mismatched man. Good video tho
Thrawn would have done much better, had he only deployed the Bumblepuff.
www.bluemilkspecial.com/comic/imperial-star-destroyers/
Heras is Right is Thrawn is no Ordinary Imperial Officer
We're talking different Thrawn iterations, though, and considering Hera's lackluster moments of command over the course of Rebels...
Long Live The Empire.
Thrawn. One of the most massively overrated and wanked off characters in the franchise...