As a kid we called the Thrawn Trilogy the sequels that were never made. Heir to the Empire is as iconic to me as A New Hope. Other people can feel what they feel, but for me the original Thrawn Trilogy is the true sequel. Always will be for me.
It infuriates me to no end that Disney just chucked all the Legends stories. While I liked the job they did with Thrawn in Ahsoka, but I prefer Jacen Solo to Kylo Ren all day.
Amen. Solo twins and their Yavin 4 adventures would have been a great kids series and the big story lines get kick ass Andor style shows and good movies
@@samryan180 I forgot about the Anakin Solo kids series, but you’re definitely right that it would have made a great kids series. It would have been way cheaper to make than the Acolyte and couldn’t possibly have sucked as bad.
@@wargamesmaster his only real mistake. Ruhk had been Thrawn's bodyguard since 9 BBY. He knew something was up with the Noghri but not that they had turned completely on him. He thought knowing his bodyguard for 17ish years meant he could predict him. But the Noghri are always an enigma.
@@horotrains little did han solo know, thrawn had replaced the cooks with noghri bodyguards, who intentionally undercooked the meal, giving captain solo Salmonella
He had two more books after called the Hand of Thrawn. I havnt read it though so i dont know if its good. Its tim zahn though so i cant imagine it wouldnt.
I found the Thrawn trilogy in a box of books by the side of the road as a kid, Thrawn's genius sparked my own interest in strategy and tactics. Excellent series.
Funny how art can motivate actions, I was the same with a game called suikoden 2, was very strategic minded and it made you think greater, I love to hear stories like this, usually all it takes is a spark to ignite a flame then you have an inferno
The X-Wing series was my intro with the first Rogue Squadron Book...but I had original release Hardcovers of the Thrawn Trilogy I got from a Used Bookstore in Mountain View CA as a kid. That store was great. An entire Room of Comic Books. 4 rows 20 ft long 8 ft height of just Sci-Fi/Fantasy. Almost an entire one of the Rows was just Star Wars, Forgotten Realms, Terry Pratchett, and Magic The Gathering books.
The Clone Wars would be complex, especially in disentangling from Legends and Disney Canon. Or using the original Clone Wars multimedia project and 2008 Clone Wars series as a source would have clashes in continuity.
General Pyrrus would be both pleased and chagrined to know that for 2300 years we have been using his name to describe a battle won, albeit at too great a cost.
He was quite familiar with it in his own time. The phrase was used before his supposed death from a roof tile to describe his wins over the latins. In his second or third victory over the latins and greeks loyal to them he is quoted as saying "Alas, one more victory and we will be undone".
Ooooh. Thrawn is probably the best Star Wars villain ever after the original Trilogy, except for maybe Glup Shitto. He deserves so much more attention.
So Rokh led to the Thrawn threat's extingishment, I guess even the tactical genius couldn't even predict his own body guard turning traitor and killing him
What makes Thrawn interesting and worth rooting for is especially when compared to other Legend villans is how different he acts. Thrawn treats his men like Eli with much respect and praises them, not just killing because he's a comically evil empire higher up like Jax or Jared
Thrawn is not just Star Wars competant, but life competant. He finds himelf in these hopeless situations and smiles, knowing he can flex his mind muscles.
If you make more Star Wars Legends lore videos I hope you use the Essential Atlas galactic maps as a template. With regions from the Core Worlds to the Outer Rim, and the criss-crossing of the hyperspace lanes. In addition, plot related planets can be superimposed on the map.
@@Mrs.Grave5433 i for one love Dark Empire. Its so cheesy, silly and over the top, and my boy Sheevy Palpatine is doing shenanigans, its a lot of fun. But it definetly needed some retcon trimming and logical adjustments to fit into the rest of the continuity, which it sort of kind of did later on, but not really^^
Black fleet crisis trilogy WOULD BE A GOOD VIDEO TO MAKE its more realistic & has a lot of diplomacy, politics & negotiations with PRINCESS LEIA at the center Seems very much inspired by the break up of yugoslavia as it was written mid to late 90s
@@richardthomas9497 i find only a rare few who’ve read it BUT sadly everybody always talks about heir to the empire which i suspect is only read due to everybody talking about it😂 The DARTH BANE trilogy is another rare one people almost never mention but is perhaps the best written of any star wars book👍
@@Goblynn-s5l I afraid I've never got the chance to read the New Republic era books, but I did read the Darth Bane Trilogy. It was an interesting take to see a protagonist actively becoming a Sith Lord.
Well if you look at the Essentials Altas Galaxy map, you would see that wayland has the tiniest border strip of the expansion and mid rim between it and the literal main blob of the inner rim underneath it… So W&W map is fine.. Showing the Truly awful border gore in this area would just confuse more people and be a pain to edit.. 😂 These are generalize videos, made to be digestible to new and old fans..
One of the best trilogies of all time. Everytime I read it it was like living in the Star Wars universe. Great video, it reminded me of all the emotions of the books I read almost 30 years ago (the first time, I read them several times during the years). The heroes never met Thrawn in these novels but it was like they were in opposites of a space chess table moving pieces. They should make a movie out of this, with Mara in the climatic battle fighting Luke's clon, fulfilling at last the Emperor's "Last Command".
I really do like this interpretation of Thrawn I just keep watching this video since its not only entertaining but also shows the true capabilities of Thrawn
The funniest thing about Legends Thrawn is that had he won, the galaxy wouldve actually known peace. His Empire of the Hand was actually beneficial and Pellaeon's remnant were good guys who actually had the full support of the planets they controlled. And the Yuuzhan Vong wlaked all over the New Republic. Thrawn would have destoryed thrm.
Unfortunately that's not accurate. If Thrawn had 'won' he still would have had to face the Imperial Warlords and Reborn Emperor, all of which vastly outgunned him. On top of that, C'baoth had gone fully rogue and if Mara hadn't killed him, he'd have taken Thrawn's entire clone military away from him as he had duped Thrawn into underestimating him. C'baoth could mentally dominate and replace another's mind with copies of his own through the Force and he did this to Thrawn's greatest general in a single day. He could do that to the twenty templates Thrawn used at Wayland and that would allow him to take over all the Clones from there Thrawn had cranked out at will. Plus Thrawn didn't actually do anything to mitigate anti alien discrimination in the main Empire, nor discrimination against women. He was perfectly fine with using terror and oppression to obtain his end goals. If Thrawn won his campaign, Palpatine never would have allowed him to remain in charge of the Empire, nor would the Warlords have tolerated him. It would have been the Imperial Mutiny all over again. Thrawn himself would have perished in the first years after Endor if he hadn't been fortunate enough to be in the Unknown Regions to miss the main parts of the Imperial Civil War.
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Thrawn had contingencies in place for C'Boath. I'm pretty sure he could have handled him. I also think he would have easily coralled the Imperial Remnant and warlords. His reputation was strong enough they wouldn't have crossed him. What would have happened with Palpatine is another question altogether. It depends on how much Thrawn knew of his planned resurrection and if he could account for it. He didn't hate the Jedi and would have accepted a New Republic surrender. Combine those forces and he would have been well positioned to top even Palpatine's fleet, which let's face it, was led poorly. And he definitely did mitigate alien discrimination. The stormtroopers of the Empire of the Hand allowed aliens to join them. This got overhauled a bit in later media where now the empire always allowed certain species, but originally Thrawn was the only imperial to allow aliens to serve. He'd have been perfectly placed to continue that.
@@TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 you forget, Thrawn THOUGHT he had contingency plans for C'baoth. He originally thought the ysalamiri and manipulation would keep him in check and that C'baoth would never be able to meld his raw power with long term concentration. Thrawn was wrong on both counts. C'baoth showed how easily he could kill someone in a ysalamiri bubble if he wanted to on Jomark. He proved he could hijack ships at will and maintain that control, then he learned how to literally create long term copies of his own mind to replace others around him. Thrawn BADLY underestimated C'baoth. Him sending Covell and a group of his best troops to Wayland with C'baoth to take control of a facility with 20,000 Ysalamiri in place WAS Thrawn's contingency plan, and C'baoth took over Covell's mind(probably the troopers too), managed to destroy the ysalimiri and take over the facility all without Thrawn having the slightest clue he could, or would, do that. Thrawn also had no idea what C'baoth had planned for how to take over his entire clone army. You also very much underestimate the Warlords. Each of them wouldn't sit for someone else on the Throne. Palpatine himself had to weaken them significantly with the Imperial Mutiny and years of internecine civil war on top of having his own armada of superweapons just to get them to briefly fall in line. Thrawn's own Coalition was very fragile, Ardus Kaine held back most of his military from Thrawn, same with Delak Krennel's Ciutric Hegemony as did the Moffs and Ruling Council for their own political squabbles and rivalries. Thrawn was meant to be a figurehead for them, they deeply resented his successes as it jeopardized their own personal power. The Warlords as well at this time had a combined might of around twelve Star Dreadnoughts, thousands of warships and near innumerable soldiers. Add to that Thrawn's intent to rule the Empire and his plans to grow more C'baoths for a Force Order raised to serve his Empire on top of the Ysalamiri adn Palpatine flat out saw him as a rival and wanted him sabotaged and dead. Led poorly or not, many of the Superweapons had no viable answer. The World Devastators alone would have been unstoppable, supported by the Eclipse and the armadas of the Warlords and Byss, the New Republic and Thrawn had nothing close to rivaling that. I'm speaking specifically of his actions in the mainline Empire. Not only did Thrawn NOT reverse the existing High HuMAN culture recruiting standards, but he regularly treated other alien races exceptionally poorly, like the Noghri(whom he manipulated, exploited, terrorized and mocked, even laughing at their 'trust' in him) I suggest rereading the Thrawn trilogy again, Thrawn is not a good guy. He regularly breaks his word, he makes war on civilians, he terrorizes his Noghri and he is out for control. Zahn's later attempts to whitewash Thrawn are about as disconnected from how he actually was as the Lost Cause Myth was to the South seceding in the American Civil War.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962sorry bro but your Thrawn criticisms are very flawed. You know how to solve the cloned Jedi issue? Orbital bombardment which is something he would use without hesitation if things got too bad. Kaine was getting ready to provide him his super star destroyer and would have done some of Thrawn survived bilbringi, Thrawn also did not in fact go out of his way to terrorize or kill civilians besides what you say. Tell me, would you have rather him drop troops on the ground of coruscant and fight? Which would have led to the deaths of millions? Don’t get me wrong bro is not a saint, But he could have handled the warlords and palpatine as a lot of his men under him became fiercely loyal as he treated them with decency and didn’t kill them for mistakes and took the time to teach them his tactics. The use of Norghori was purely military, this wasn’t a case of thrawn continuing anti alien sentiment, if they were human he would have done the same thing lol. He also did not discourage women in the empire, he only wanted the people qualified for the job there. Hell he even used clones to fight for him and most people in the galaxy despise them. Try to revisit your unwarranted dislike of a guy that could have changed the galaxy lol
@@jonbaxter2254 you me when Thrawn was winning and on his way to defeating the early Rebellion before being taken off the field by Ezra using his connection to force to make a play that Thrawn could not have predicted: purrgil? an action which was planted 2 seasons before?
You guys should make an alt-his scenario where you detail how Thrawn wins against the New Republic and reforms the Empire. Kind of like your Mongol Empire miniseries (but Thrawn wins this time)!
Good idea though maybe a bit obvious. Thrawn would have crushed the NR, either forcing a surrender or negotiating a peace by explaining his real motoves and the threat of the Vong. In either case he would become the leader of a defacto military dictatorship, which would unite as much of the Galaxy as possible, unifying the Empirial Remnant, New Republic, Empire of the Hand and Chiss Ascendency. Consequently Thrawn would optimise supply lines, bureaucratic proceedure and begin arming the Galaxy for the eventual Vong invasion. His old sleeper cells would be reactivated and expanded. If Republican and Empire officials could be convinced of the threat, they'd likely be welcomed into his government and military, including Leia, Ackbar, Palleon, Fel and Antilles. Battle strategies and contengiency plans would be developed and drilled on, with new and improved weapon systems providing the necessary firepower. Populations would be prepared for planetary invasions and massive refugee waves.
All this great material and we got Lucas' hacky prequels and the less said about Disney the better. I loved this trilogy and would have actually gone to a theater to watch it. You folks do excellent work, love the strategic overview formats you use.
I still hope that we get a Thrawn Trilogy of films some day. Maybe generative AI will allow some passionate fans to make them without corporate interference. One can dream.
One has to wonder if the New Republic could have defeated Thrawn eventually had he not been killed a Bilbringi. My theory is yes, if it was just Thrawn and his forces, especially since his clones were lost and as he took worlds his line stretched, but it wasn't going to be just Thrawn for much longer. The Pentastar Alignment had contributed some ships to Thrawn and after an Imperial victory at Bilbringi, probably would have joined him. They also had an Executor-Class Super Star Destroyer. Imagine what Thrawn could have done with that. I hope Timothy Zahn writes an Alternate Universe where Thrawn dismisses Rukh after losing faith in the Noghri and therfor is not killed by him.
It is very overlooked in my opinion that Ackbar was a match if not better then Thrawn as if he hadn’t been replaced thrawn probably wouldn’t have gotten away with so much.
I'm just imagining a possible future in Canon, where the Imperial remnant factions are discussing amongst one another yet again, just like they did in the Mandalorian. And with Pellaeon present as well. Then the question of Thrawn gets brought up again like "And what about Thrawn, Pellaeon? You've so often said his return is imminent and that he will solve all our problems, yet where is he?!?" Only for Pellaeon to slightly smile a bit and step to the side as Thrawn comes fourth, dominating the entire meeting with his immense presence. Silencing everyone only by his visual appearance. And Thrawn just calmly saying: "My apologies, I was a bit delayed. But now that I am here and have gotten a understanding of the state of the galaxy, I think it is high time we tested the New Republic's mettle. We are low on resources, ships and manpower, weaknesses that we'll have to live with for now. Our strength lies in making our enemy believe we are disorganized, sloppy and weak. We'll condition them into viewing my return as a joke and of no danger to them at all. Until we are ready, where we will hit them with so much force so quickly that they won't have time to recuperate. And before they know what hit them, we'll already have created an heir to the Empire."
Thrawn is such a Machiavellian cunning and unbeatable strategist and warlord without equal In the post Endor Star Wars universe that it takes surprise and treachery he never saw coming to defeat him, where the rebels military might had no chance of succeeding on its own..
It's awesome that you guys are doing legends content. I'm sure I've asked this already, but for future content, you guys should look into World of Warcraft lore. Particularly the First and Second Wars!
Killing off Thrawn so early was the worst mistake Zahn made. This could have been an epic series on the order of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Huge missed opportunity.
What if idea for thrawn. Thrawn gains access to all projects related to replicating m-counts in cloning and upon returning from his exile, due to having aged so much he utilizes the technology and night sister magik to create a force sensitive clone of himself, and have his essence transferred. This thrawn would instantly become a rival to even sidious himself. Because even if he’s not as powerful in the force as sidious, his superior intelligence and strategic mind would be capable of using his new abilities in ways that no Jedi or sith has even thought of before. I don’t think he would even use a lightsaber or force lightning. He would simply use the standard abilities in extremely interesting and sinister ways.
magnificent I am very curious about the New Republic campaign between the battle of Andor against the imperial loyalists and warlords like Zsinj or admiral Krennel and the Emperor Clone DARK EMPIRE
I'm not that big into Star Wars but when I heard the line about trying to turn Thrawn into a puppet leader, I audibly laughed out loud. Even I know enough about him to know that was a ridiculous idea that was never going to work. Also, if Thrawn made off with most of the Dreadnaught fleet, wouldn't that really make the battle an Imperial victory? They'd done more or less what they wished and while not an overwhelming decisive victory, it still went their way.
Delta Source never made sense. The First Thing that happens after a Regime Change is that the Previous Regime's Decorations/Design is removed. Those Plants would have been tossed along with all the Imperial Banners, Statues, and Paintings of the Empire's Greatness. The Emperor's Personal Touch of two rows of Plants would not remain. They are just plants though, right? Wrong, they are a decoration the Emperor personally chose to have in place. Just out of Spite, they'd have been removed.
Would you make in the near future all sequence events about stealing Death Star plans ? Han Solo and Garm Bel Iblis, Kyle Katarn, Death Star prison riot and Rianna Saren ?
If you haven’t already I would recommend the Thrawn novels. This character is not evil or cruel he is cunning and decisive. He’s one of my favorite characters. I never really liked Luke or the rebels….
@@lisboah In the book "Tatooine Ghost" set a year before Thrawn's Campaign, Leia actually discovers her father Anakin's history; finding his positive traits from those that knew him on Tatooine.
I think thrawn in book legends and in Cannon shows how lucky the rebels were that their major victories happened due to luck in chance with a Jedi and redeem Jedi rather than tactical, genius or creative thinking I mean eighth movie the last Jedi, The resistance is all but destroyed by the end of the because they didn’t learn any lessons from their victories of the first round of fighting
An easy way to fight thrawn. Act like you got in his trap then send 100 kamkazie fighters at his bridge. Boom gone then marry poppens leia will take his body from space they will clone him and just keep executing his clones after forcing him to make battle plans and strategies
in the video game called "chivalry 2." We Scream in All chats/. "for the Empire!!" and hack and slash into battle. after all. this video covers wars and murder. 😄
Thrawn manipulated and used his people, explpiting them and sending hundreds to their deaths for a lie. When the deception was revealed all Noghri commandos turned on their emperial oppressors
It's so amazing to me that the sequel trilogy wasn't this, but went in some random rehashed direction. Thrawn is so compelling. You think he's going to win and you almost root for him sometimes. Stupid, stupid decision...
Okay I’m sorry but I have to say this. While over all most of what you say is correct you keep fucking up the little details which are very important to the larger picture
As a kid we called the Thrawn Trilogy the sequels that were never made. Heir to the Empire is as iconic to me as A New Hope. Other people can feel what they feel, but for me the original Thrawn Trilogy is the true sequel. Always will be for me.
I absolutely concur. Those books are some of the greatest Star Wars content ever made.👍
It infuriates me to no end that Disney just chucked all the Legends stories. While I liked the job they did with Thrawn in Ahsoka, but I prefer Jacen Solo to Kylo Ren all day.
Amen. Solo twins and their Yavin 4 adventures would have been a great kids series and the big story lines get kick ass Andor style shows and good movies
@@samryan180 I forgot about the Anakin Solo kids series, but you’re definitely right that it would have made a great kids series. It would have been way cheaper to make than the Acolyte and couldn’t possibly have sucked as bad.
@@jduluoz3131The thrawn in Ashoka is a dumbass that kept loosing and just gaslighting himself into being the winner and wasting recourses.
Anyone : doing anything
The narrator : as Thrawn anticipated.
Thrawn is always several steps ahead. He even expects the unexpected
@@chrismartindale7840 He didn't expected getting killed by his own bodyguard.
@@wargamesmaster his only real mistake. Ruhk had been Thrawn's bodyguard since 9 BBY. He knew something was up with the Noghri but not that they had turned completely on him. He thought knowing his bodyguard for 17ish years meant he could predict him. But the Noghri are always an enigma.
Han Solo ate chipotle at 02:00 PM and developed severe diarrhea at 08:00 PM, as Thrawn anticipated.
@@horotrains little did han solo know, thrawn had replaced the cooks with noghri bodyguards, who intentionally undercooked the meal, giving captain solo Salmonella
...Legends was so much better than what there is now. Thank you Timothy Zahn for your fine trilogy!
He had two more books after called the Hand of Thrawn. I havnt read it though so i dont know if its good. Its tim zahn though so i cant imagine it wouldnt.
I found the Thrawn trilogy in a box of books by the side of the road as a kid, Thrawn's genius sparked my own interest in strategy and tactics. Excellent series.
Funny how art can motivate actions, I was the same with a game called suikoden 2, was very strategic minded and it made you think greater, I love to hear stories like this, usually all it takes is a spark to ignite a flame then you have an inferno
The X-Wing series was my intro with the first Rogue Squadron Book...but I had original release Hardcovers of the Thrawn Trilogy I got from a Used Bookstore in Mountain View CA as a kid. That store was great. An entire Room of Comic Books. 4 rows 20 ft long 8 ft height of just Sci-Fi/Fantasy. Almost an entire one of the Rows was just Star Wars, Forgotten Realms, Terry Pratchett, and Magic The Gathering books.
“Rejoice Captain, for the empire will rise again”
I can hear Thrawn’s theme from rebels playing in my head during that quote.
Glad I'm not the only one.
Thank you Timothy Zahn, for writing this trilogy of novels. They are absolutely fantastic.
Its what got Lucas to finally begrudgingly support the EU. The first series of Books Lucas actually liked along with the X-Wing series.
After this, we need at least a series on the Clone Wars and the Yuuzhan Vong Wars.
Hear hear, esp for the Vong Wars
Vong stuff is kinda dumb
@@Michael-bn1oi plot armour. nothing new in this settings.
I'm interested in coverage of the Clone Wars
The Clone Wars would be complex, especially in disentangling from Legends and Disney Canon. Or using the original Clone Wars multimedia project and 2008 Clone Wars series as a source would have clashes in continuity.
Man I miss the original 90s star wars expanded universe 😢
General Pyrrus would be both pleased and chagrined to know that for 2300 years we have been using his name to describe a battle won, albeit at too great a cost.
He was quite familiar with it in his own time. The phrase was used before his supposed death from a roof tile to describe his wins over the latins. In his second or third victory over the latins and greeks loyal to them he is quoted as saying "Alas, one more victory and we will be undone".
King Pyrrus, please.
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Ooooh. Thrawn is probably the best Star Wars villain ever after the original Trilogy, except for maybe Glup Shitto. He deserves so much more attention.
Hilarious 😒
Thrawn is my favorite Star Wars character! Luke Skywalker is my (and almost everyones) favorite hero.
Never really saw Glup Shitto as a villain
I found him cool and frightening at the same time when he was a villain in Star Wars Rebels.
Dicks out for Shitto.
Man this channel is the swiss knife of lore. There something for everyone without a sacrifice in quality. Great work as always.
Palpatine: The Rebellion will die!
Thrawn: The New Republic is finished!
Admiral Ackbar: 🗿
So Rokh led to the Thrawn threat's extingishment, I guess even the tactical genius couldn't even predict his own body guard turning traitor and killing him
Thrawn: Rejoice Captain, for the Empire will rise again...Long Live The Empire.
Shadow Council & Pellaeon: Long Live The Empire!
Ngl this makes me like thrawn, i was kinda rooting for him
What makes Thrawn interesting and worth rooting for is especially when compared to other Legend villans is how different he acts. Thrawn treats his men like Eli with much respect and praises them, not just killing because he's a comically evil empire higher up like Jax or Jared
@@cybershroom9240 also he’s fucking brilliant. Don’t get me started on the sequel trilogy, but the fact that he’s a genius makes me like him
@@Fluffy_production Yes, he looks at art
Thrawn is not just Star Wars competant, but life competant. He finds himelf in these hopeless situations and smiles, knowing he can flex his mind muscles.
If you make more Star Wars Legends lore videos I hope you use the Essential Atlas galactic maps as a template. With regions from the Core Worlds to the Outer Rim, and the criss-crossing of the hyperspace lanes. In addition, plot related planets can be superimposed on the map.
Yeah, dont think i will be watching this all the way through if this is the map for the whole thing
*Chiss-crossing
If Dark Empire is next... Good freaking luck making it make any logistical sense. 😂😂
Dark Empire the part of Legends most of us would like to forget...
@@Mrs.Grave5433 i for one love Dark Empire. Its so cheesy, silly and over the top, and my boy Sheevy Palpatine is doing shenanigans, its a lot of fun. But it definetly needed some retcon trimming and logical adjustments to fit into the rest of the continuity, which it sort of kind of did later on, but not really^^
I liked the Kir Kanos stuff that came out of it.
A well earned subscription. Well done. Long live the E U canon.
Black fleet crisis trilogy WOULD BE A GOOD VIDEO TO MAKE
its more realistic & has a lot of diplomacy, politics & negotiations with PRINCESS LEIA at the center
Seems very much inspired by the break up of yugoslavia as it was written mid to late 90s
That trilogy is where the K-wing heavy starfighter/bomber makes its first appearance.
@@richardthomas9497 i find only a rare few who’ve read it BUT sadly everybody always talks about heir to the empire which i suspect is only read due to everybody talking about it😂
The DARTH BANE trilogy is another rare one people almost never mention but is perhaps the best written of any star wars book👍
@@Goblynn-s5l I afraid I've never got the chance to read the New Republic era books, but I did read the Darth Bane Trilogy. It was an interesting take to see a protagonist actively becoming a Sith Lord.
They need to change map. "As he went to the outer rim planet wayland" right below it says inner rim lol
If W&W makes more Star Wars Legends I hope they use the Essential Atlas as a template.
Well if you look at the Essentials Altas Galaxy map, you would see that wayland has the tiniest border strip of the expansion and mid rim between it and the literal main blob of the inner rim underneath it… So W&W map is fine..
Showing the Truly awful border gore in this area would just confuse more people and be a pain to edit.. 😂
These are generalize videos, made to be digestible to new and old fans..
One of the best trilogies of all time. Everytime I read it it was like living in the Star Wars universe. Great video, it reminded me of all the emotions of the books I read almost 30 years ago (the first time, I read them several times during the years). The heroes never met Thrawn in these novels but it was like they were in opposites of a space chess table moving pieces. They should make a movie out of this, with Mara in the climatic battle fighting Luke's clon, fulfilling at last the Emperor's "Last Command".
I absolutely love your epic strategy videos..the music 🎶
The only way Thrawn should be read and learned about. Turn away from the Heresy of Disney… Let Heir to the Empire show you the way.
I really do like this interpretation of Thrawn I just keep watching this video since its not only entertaining but also shows the true capabilities of Thrawn
Do the Yuuzhan Vong War next!
„Long Live The Empire“
The funniest thing about Legends Thrawn is that had he won, the galaxy wouldve actually known peace. His Empire of the Hand was actually beneficial and Pellaeon's remnant were good guys who actually had the full support of the planets they controlled. And the Yuuzhan Vong wlaked all over the New Republic. Thrawn would have destoryed thrm.
Unfortunately that's not accurate. If Thrawn had 'won' he still would have had to face the Imperial Warlords and Reborn Emperor, all of which vastly outgunned him. On top of that, C'baoth had gone fully rogue and if Mara hadn't killed him, he'd have taken Thrawn's entire clone military away from him as he had duped Thrawn into underestimating him. C'baoth could mentally dominate and replace another's mind with copies of his own through the Force and he did this to Thrawn's greatest general in a single day. He could do that to the twenty templates Thrawn used at Wayland and that would allow him to take over all the Clones from there Thrawn had cranked out at will.
Plus Thrawn didn't actually do anything to mitigate anti alien discrimination in the main Empire, nor discrimination against women. He was perfectly fine with using terror and oppression to obtain his end goals. If Thrawn won his campaign, Palpatine never would have allowed him to remain in charge of the Empire, nor would the Warlords have tolerated him. It would have been the Imperial Mutiny all over again. Thrawn himself would have perished in the first years after Endor if he hadn't been fortunate enough to be in the Unknown Regions to miss the main parts of the Imperial Civil War.
@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Thrawn had contingencies in place for C'Boath. I'm pretty sure he could have handled him. I also think he would have easily coralled the Imperial Remnant and warlords. His reputation was strong enough they wouldn't have crossed him.
What would have happened with Palpatine is another question altogether. It depends on how much Thrawn knew of his planned resurrection and if he could account for it. He didn't hate the Jedi and would have accepted a New Republic surrender. Combine those forces and he would have been well positioned to top even Palpatine's fleet, which let's face it, was led poorly.
And he definitely did mitigate alien discrimination. The stormtroopers of the Empire of the Hand allowed aliens to join them. This got overhauled a bit in later media where now the empire always allowed certain species, but originally Thrawn was the only imperial to allow aliens to serve. He'd have been perfectly placed to continue that.
@@TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 you forget, Thrawn THOUGHT he had contingency plans for C'baoth. He originally thought the ysalamiri and manipulation would keep him in check and that C'baoth would never be able to meld his raw power with long term concentration. Thrawn was wrong on both counts. C'baoth showed how easily he could kill someone in a ysalamiri bubble if he wanted to on Jomark. He proved he could hijack ships at will and maintain that control, then he learned how to literally create long term copies of his own mind to replace others around him. Thrawn BADLY underestimated C'baoth. Him sending Covell and a group of his best troops to Wayland with C'baoth to take control of a facility with 20,000 Ysalamiri in place WAS Thrawn's contingency plan, and C'baoth took over Covell's mind(probably the troopers too), managed to destroy the ysalimiri and take over the facility all without Thrawn having the slightest clue he could, or would, do that. Thrawn also had no idea what C'baoth had planned for how to take over his entire clone army.
You also very much underestimate the Warlords. Each of them wouldn't sit for someone else on the Throne. Palpatine himself had to weaken them significantly with the Imperial Mutiny and years of internecine civil war on top of having his own armada of superweapons just to get them to briefly fall in line. Thrawn's own Coalition was very fragile, Ardus Kaine held back most of his military from Thrawn, same with Delak Krennel's Ciutric Hegemony as did the Moffs and Ruling Council for their own political squabbles and rivalries. Thrawn was meant to be a figurehead for them, they deeply resented his successes as it jeopardized their own personal power. The Warlords as well at this time had a combined might of around twelve Star Dreadnoughts, thousands of warships and near innumerable soldiers. Add to that Thrawn's intent to rule the Empire and his plans to grow more C'baoths for a Force Order raised to serve his Empire on top of the Ysalamiri adn Palpatine flat out saw him as a rival and wanted him sabotaged and dead. Led poorly or not, many of the Superweapons had no viable answer. The World Devastators alone would have been unstoppable, supported by the Eclipse and the armadas of the Warlords and Byss, the New Republic and Thrawn had nothing close to rivaling that.
I'm speaking specifically of his actions in the mainline Empire. Not only did Thrawn NOT reverse the existing High HuMAN culture recruiting standards, but he regularly treated other alien races exceptionally poorly, like the Noghri(whom he manipulated, exploited, terrorized and mocked, even laughing at their 'trust' in him) I suggest rereading the Thrawn trilogy again, Thrawn is not a good guy. He regularly breaks his word, he makes war on civilians, he terrorizes his Noghri and he is out for control. Zahn's later attempts to whitewash Thrawn are about as disconnected from how he actually was as the Lost Cause Myth was to the South seceding in the American Civil War.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962sorry bro but your Thrawn criticisms are very flawed. You know how to solve the cloned Jedi issue? Orbital bombardment which is something he would use without hesitation if things got too bad. Kaine was getting ready to provide him his super star destroyer and would have done some of Thrawn survived bilbringi, Thrawn also did not in fact go out of his way to terrorize or kill civilians besides what you say. Tell me, would you have rather him drop troops on the ground of coruscant and fight? Which would have led to the deaths of millions? Don’t get me wrong bro is not a saint, But he could have handled the warlords and palpatine as a lot of his men under him became fiercely loyal as he treated them with decency and didn’t kill them for mistakes and took the time to teach them his tactics. The use of Norghori was purely military, this wasn’t a case of thrawn continuing anti alien sentiment, if they were human he would have done the same thing lol. He also did not discourage women in the empire, he only wanted the people qualified for the job there. Hell he even used clones to fight for him and most people in the galaxy despise them. Try to revisit your unwarranted dislike of a guy that could have changed the galaxy lol
@@jamesondonnell4054 Man, there's nothing wrong with being a fanboy for a character but this defense is taking it to a whole new delusional level.
Excellent video! Always good to see the real Star Wars EU receiving the attention it needs! Now, next step is the Yuuzhan-Vong War!
Unexpected video, but a welcome one
LOVED WATCHING THIS found your channel cus of game of thrones battles but defiantly star wars has always been my fav
Yes, more of this. The true, factual and only version of Star Wars that matters. Disgusting that its called "Legends"
Love the old legends storyline. Better then whatever the mouse have put together
You don't like incompetant Thrawn who loses against three kids and a dog?
@@jonbaxter2254 to be fair, the stormtroopers aim improved drastically after they became zombies.
@@jonbaxter2254 you me when Thrawn was winning and on his way to defeating the early Rebellion before being taken off the field by Ezra using his connection to force to make a play that Thrawn could not have predicted: purrgil? an action which was planted 2 seasons before?
After the Thrawn Campaign, are the events of the Dark Empire Trilogy; where the Empire's last serious gambit at reclaiming the galaxy is played out.
And then the final gasps during the hand of Thrawn duology,
And during which, SOMEHOW PALPATINE RETURNED.
I mean, sure, cloning tech and soul transference, but it ain't that far off.
And their participation in the Yuuzhan Vong war, Second Galactic Civil War, and FotJ
Ehhh Shadow Hand is like six months later and was dramatically more successful in the short term
@@zachdelozier2133 Now imagine what could've been if Operation Shadow Hand happened at the same time as Thrawn's Campaign?
Omg you don't know how long I've been waiting for this video, thank you so much!
You guys should make an alt-his scenario where you detail how Thrawn wins against the New Republic and reforms the Empire. Kind of like your Mongol Empire miniseries (but Thrawn wins this time)!
Good idea though maybe a bit obvious.
Thrawn would have crushed the NR, either forcing a surrender or negotiating a peace by explaining his real motoves and the threat of the Vong. In either case he would become the leader of a defacto military dictatorship, which would unite as much of the Galaxy as possible, unifying the Empirial Remnant, New Republic, Empire of the Hand and Chiss Ascendency. Consequently Thrawn would optimise supply lines, bureaucratic proceedure and begin arming the Galaxy for the eventual Vong invasion. His old sleeper cells would be reactivated and expanded. If Republican and Empire officials could be convinced of the threat, they'd likely be welcomed into his government and military, including Leia, Ackbar, Palleon, Fel and Antilles. Battle strategies and contengiency plans would be developed and drilled on, with new and improved weapon systems providing the necessary firepower. Populations would be prepared for planetary invasions and massive refugee waves.
@@tilltronje1623It may be obvious but I’d still want them to produce it. I love their storytelling and I’m sure you do too.
Would Thrawn win though? He lost his clones by the time he died. How can he match the NR with out clones?
Or maybe what could've happened if Operation Shadow Hand was initiated at the same time of Thrawn's Campaign.
I look forward to more legends content, love your work. :)
this was really good, cant wait for more!
All this great material and we got Lucas' hacky prequels and the less said about Disney the better. I loved this trilogy and would have actually gone to a theater to watch it. You folks do excellent work, love the strategic overview formats you use.
Lucas was a great world-builder, and that's about it. I'd go deeper, but me be tired.
Love to see some lore about Suikoden 2, its a awesome title that deals alot with battles and strategies. Kings and generals would make a great video
That's based the classic Chinese novel Water Margin.
Luke, unturnable to Sidious & Vader. Easily hypnotized by some random Dark Jedi. Interesting.
what?
I love that the image for Galaan is just Pluto.
I still hope that we get a Thrawn Trilogy of films some day. Maybe generative AI will allow some passionate fans to make them without corporate interference. One can dream.
One has to wonder if the New Republic could have defeated Thrawn eventually had he not been killed a Bilbringi. My theory is yes, if it was just Thrawn and his forces, especially since his clones were lost and as he took worlds his line stretched, but it wasn't going to be just Thrawn for much longer. The Pentastar Alignment had contributed some ships to Thrawn and after an Imperial victory at Bilbringi, probably would have joined him. They also had an Executor-Class Super Star Destroyer. Imagine what Thrawn could have done with that. I hope Timothy Zahn writes an Alternate Universe where Thrawn dismisses Rukh after losing faith in the Noghri and therfor is not killed by him.
It is very overlooked in my opinion that Ackbar was a match if not better then Thrawn as if he hadn’t been replaced thrawn probably wouldn’t have gotten away with so much.
Brilliantly done.❤
The trilogy we wanted…not the trilogy we got 😢
This Rocks
Holy shit this is awesome
Any chance of doing a series on the Ember War Book series by Richard Fox?
I'm just imagining a possible future in Canon, where the Imperial remnant factions are discussing amongst one another yet again, just like they did in the Mandalorian.
And with Pellaeon present as well. Then the question of Thrawn gets brought up again like "And what about Thrawn, Pellaeon? You've so often said his return is imminent and that he will solve all our problems, yet where is he?!?" Only for Pellaeon to slightly smile a bit and step to the side as Thrawn comes fourth, dominating the entire meeting with his immense presence. Silencing everyone only by his visual appearance. And Thrawn just calmly saying: "My apologies, I was a bit delayed. But now that I am here and have gotten a understanding of the state of the galaxy, I think it is high time we tested the New Republic's mettle. We are low on resources, ships and manpower, weaknesses that we'll have to live with for now. Our strength lies in making our enemy believe we are disorganized, sloppy and weak. We'll condition them into viewing my return as a joke and of no danger to them at all. Until we are ready, where we will hit them with so much force so quickly that they won't have time to recuperate. And before they know what hit them, we'll already have created an heir to the Empire."
Rly great video, incredibly impressive. Would be incredible if you did this same sort of video for the clone wars
I think with enough dedication-and funding-a group of fans might be able to faithfully adapt the entire Thrawn trilogy into a live-action series.
Thrawn is such a Machiavellian cunning and unbeatable strategist and warlord without equal In the post Endor Star Wars universe that it takes surprise and treachery he never saw coming to defeat him, where the rebels military might had no chance of succeeding on its own..
Great video and well done. Love me some "Legends" content.
Thrawn: But it was so artistically done.
It's awesome that you guys are doing legends content.
I'm sure I've asked this already, but for future content, you guys should look into World of Warcraft lore. Particularly the First and Second Wars!
Started reading the trilogy
Hope to see you make a Dark Empire analysis.
Does anyone know what the song is in the beginning around 1:30? I’ve literally been looking for its name for years. Someone help a brother out 😂
Could you also make some videos about Narnia?
noone told me this channel exists ( comming from thd kings and generals channel)
Killing off Thrawn so early was the worst mistake Zahn made. This could have been an epic series on the order of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Huge missed opportunity.
Noah has the most "proud-to-be-a-virgin" pop offs in gaming history
What are the chances that you can cover the Vong war?👍🏻
Thrawn 💙
The video is wonderful. The map... Could use some improvement
Nice the NLP guy
I would suggest doing a video about the Star Wars Legends Yuuzhan Vong invasion
What if idea for thrawn.
Thrawn gains access to all projects related to replicating m-counts in cloning and upon returning from his exile, due to having aged so much he utilizes the technology and night sister magik to create a force sensitive clone of himself, and have his essence transferred. This thrawn would instantly become a rival to even sidious himself. Because even if he’s not as powerful in the force as sidious, his superior intelligence and strategic mind would be capable of using his new abilities in ways that no Jedi or sith has even thought of before. I don’t think he would even use a lightsaber or force lightning. He would simply use the standard abilities in extremely interesting and sinister ways.
Everybody gangsta until they hear the pipe organ. 😂
Can you make a video on the Mandalorian Wars?
magnificent I am very curious about the New Republic campaign between the battle of Andor against the imperial loyalists and warlords like Zsinj or admiral Krennel and the Emperor Clone DARK EMPIRE
I'm not that big into Star Wars but when I heard the line about trying to turn Thrawn into a puppet leader, I audibly laughed out loud. Even I know enough about him to know that was a ridiculous idea that was never going to work.
Also, if Thrawn made off with most of the Dreadnaught fleet, wouldn't that really make the battle an Imperial victory? They'd done more or less what they wished and while not an overwhelming decisive victory, it still went their way.
Yes, it was a good choice to retcon this out of star wars cannon. so Genius...
Can't wait for more EU
Given the two choices, this Nov Im voting for Thrawn.
Gives a whole different meaning to "Voting blue" lol
Wonder what Thrawn would make of the modern "art" that consists of a dude with top knot spiritual energy jumping and flinging paint about?😂
Delta Source never made sense. The First Thing that happens after a Regime Change is that the Previous Regime's Decorations/Design is removed. Those Plants would have been tossed along with all the Imperial Banners, Statues, and Paintings of the Empire's Greatness. The Emperor's Personal Touch of two rows of Plants would not remain. They are just plants though, right? Wrong, they are a decoration the Emperor personally chose to have in place. Just out of Spite, they'd have been removed.
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Love it but the pronunciations are killing me
Would you make in the near future all sequence events about stealing Death Star plans ? Han Solo and Garm Bel Iblis, Kyle Katarn, Death Star prison riot and Rianna Saren ?
Please continúe the Legends history is much better than the canon
If you haven’t already I would recommend the Thrawn novels. This character is not evil or cruel he is cunning and decisive. He’s one of my favorite characters. I never really liked Luke or the rebels….
Leia and the Noghri is such a "Lisan All-Gaib" moment
After all the time Leia disowing her father, she for once decided to openly admit that her father was Darth Vader...
@@lisboah In the book "Tatooine Ghost" set a year before Thrawn's Campaign, Leia actually discovers her father Anakin's history; finding his positive traits from those that knew him on Tatooine.
@@richardthomas9497 But she aknowledged Anakin Skywalker as her father, not Darth Vader.
I think thrawn in book legends and in Cannon shows how lucky the rebels were that their major victories happened due to luck in chance with a Jedi and redeem Jedi rather than tactical, genius or creative thinking I mean eighth movie the last Jedi, The resistance is all but destroyed by the end of the because they didn’t learn any lessons from their victories of the first round of fighting
Nice 👌🏾
The sequel trilogy we should have had…
People always say this, it wouldn't have worked.
All Disney had to do was make these books into movies and it would’ve been like printing money.
ya mean cannon ain't nobody got time for disney clap
The true sequel trilogy
This is the TRUE HEIR to the original Star Wars Trilogy. Not the garbage put out by Disney.
An easy way to fight thrawn. Act like you got in his trap then send 100 kamkazie fighters at his bridge. Boom gone then marry poppens leia will take his body from space they will clone him and just keep executing his clones after forcing him to make battle plans and strategies
in the video game called "chivalry 2." We Scream in All chats/. "for the Empire!!" and hack and slash into battle. after all. this video covers wars and murder. 😄
Before the dark times. Before Disney.
Why did thrawns Bodyguard kill him?
i think it happened due to thrawn oppressing his people
Thrawn manipulated and used his people, explpiting them and sending hundreds to their deaths for a lie. When the deception was revealed all Noghri commandos turned on their emperial oppressors
It's so amazing to me that the sequel trilogy wasn't this, but went in some random rehashed direction. Thrawn is so compelling. You think he's going to win and you almost root for him sometimes. Stupid, stupid decision...
Anybody else noticing some weird jumps in the video?
The Empire should have won here..
Okay I’m sorry but I have to say this. While over all most of what you say is correct you keep fucking up the little details which are very important to the larger picture
Like what?
@@colbymarin3912 tbh I can’t even remember now.
Next is Pellaeon?