Destiny 2 Season of Dawn: The Best and Worst Warlock Exotics - Tier List 2020
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- Warlocks, it is your time for the exotic armor tier list for 2020. Same rules as the Titan list: the list is focused completely around how impactful all exotics are in all relevant content: Master Nightfalls/Hunts, Garden of Salvation (and other raids), Pit of Heresy and high level seasonal content, along with PvP. I should also say that ease of use is also part of the equation.
Warlocks did not have any significant adjustments (+/-1.5 points or more) over the past year, even fewer than Titan. Skull of Dire Ahamkara took a hit, Phoenix Protocol took a more minor hit, Sunbracers are still rocking and so is Crown of Tempest. Contraverse Hold are still around, along with Transversive Steps. Nezarec's Sin is also still potent.
Below are my tier lists, with 5 being the highest, 1 the lowest. Most of these could be flexed a half of a point or so based on personal preference and some of these have half a point margin of error based on the activity you're in. For example, melee based exotics tend to lose points in Master content due to the risk factor.
PvP starts at 11:25.
PvE tier list (Master content, raid, dungeon, seasonal activity combined) out of 5:
4.5 - Phoenix Protocol, Lunafaction (loses points if Titan is in group)
4.25 - Crown of Tempests (loses points in Master content)
3.75 - Nezarec's Sin, Sunbracers, Skull of Dire Ahamkara (I think I overvalue this)
3.25 - Geomag Stabilizers
3 - Verity's Brow, Winter's Guile (loses .5-1 points in Master), Stormdancer's Brace (gains a little in Master content), Contraverse Hold (I undervalue this and it can probably go even higher)
2.75 - Getaway Artist
2.5 - Claws of Ahamkara (slight point loss in Master), Starfire Protocol
2.25 - Karnstein Armlets (loses points in Master), Ophidian Aspect, Promethium Spur
2 - Eye of Another World, The Stag, Transversive Steps
1.75 - Chromatic Fire, Vesper of Radius, Apotheosis Veil
1.5 - Sanguine Alchemy
1 - Aeon Soul
No Rating - Astrocyte Verse, Wings of Sacred Dawn
PvP tier list, out of 5:
5 - Contraverse Hold
3.75 - Transversive Steps
3.5 - Ophidian Aspect
3.25 - The Stag
2.75 - Getaway Artist
2.5 - Apotheosis Veil (gains points in high ranked 3v3), Nezarec's Sin, Verity's Brow, Geomag Stabilizers
2.25 - Claws of Ahamkara
2 - Karnstein Armlets (higher if more aggressive), Eye of Another World, Crown of Tempests
1.75 - Sanguine Alchemy (gains few points in 3v3), Skull of Dire Ahamkara, Stormdancer's Brace, Phoenix Protocol
1.5 - Lunafaction Boots, Promethium Spur, Sunbracers, Chromatic Fire, Winter's Guile
1.25 - Starfire Protocol, Vesper of Radius
1 - Aeon Soul
No Rating - Astrocyte Verse, Wings of Sacred Dawn
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My mom says his voice sounds like mine, and I work at gamestop
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I really feel you havent lived until you try top tree voidwalker with contraverse holds and max discipline with a demolitionist primary. Charged vortex grenades are really strong even on master content so to have it recharge grenades literally as soon as the first one goes away is amazing. Throw on some ashes to assets mods and it feels like you get your super back faster than the skull can provide. The damage resistance while charging can also save your ass sometimes. Definitely the best voidwalker exotic and really brings me back to the d1 nothing manacles days.
100% agree. There is not a single place in this game where i would rather bring skull of dire ahamkara over contraverse hold, its just too darn good. Nades and super energy for days.
Yes, i'd take them over skull anyday!
Exactly my opinion as well.
I've actually just started using the holds and they're really sick. I just gotta get a good spec going with a demo primary
yeah, i had some last minute discussions about contraverse and skull with bluewestlo actually and he was saying the same thing. skull just has the pure ease of use factor, which for the average player is something i considered way more: push big button once, get energy. i definitely undervalue contraverse and overvalue skull.
Ophidian is S class, works for every weapon 100% of the time.
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@@Andy-hz2ef Why are YOU everywhere?
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Yeah, he rated this way to low, completing missing the quickdraw effect.
One of the best nuetral exotics.
One thing I would add to the Starfire protocol: you can use the double fusion grenade on mid tree dawnblade to get double healing grenades. It's very effective in comp or 3v3 content, to instaheal and grant an overshield.
Yeah Astecross although a Titan main, considers that to be one of his favorite builds (he uses lumina as well)
Oh that's just dirty ;).
Starfire with double fusions and a discipline build on the new top tree means you can spend the majority of a match with Heat Rises as well, very effective in pvp especially if you're opting for guns that are less effective naturally from the air, like scouts or fusions.
absolutely! this has been my main mid tree dawn exotic since forsaken
Even in PVE, it is amazing with mid tree. With the nerfs to Well, people forget that the damage buff is 25%, just like the normal empowering rift. This means, while phoenix protocol seems better on the surface, starfire buffs your neutral game to another level, giving you two healing nades and a way to cycle abilities without having to cater to allies standing in your rift. There also isn’t a whole lot of activities where you need to spam well other than horde modes (lower level content typically).
Ophidian Aspects are my favorite exotics in the game. The design and ornament are incredible and it's just something I can put on without thinking and I love that.
I love using them with Hard Light/Borealis. Makes the element swapping via reload a non-issue XD
i‘m warlock main and using ophidian aspects since osiris launch. In pve i love to combinate them with grenade launcher loader and mountain top... It‘s crazy you can reload faster than with luna boots.
In pvp if you played once with them you can‘t play something diffrent because weapon reload und weapon switching feels so slow without ophidian aspects
"Aeon Soul....Yep."- Datto 2020
I died 🤣
I hope they do something more interesting with it, like better buffs such as faster Super regen or somethin
Has anyone done a 6v6 video where everyone uses a Rat King, and everyone wears Aeon? I'd really like to see that.
@@lorcro2000 I believe I had seen Badass Gaming having a whole team with him using Rat King but not the Aeon series. Sorry, that is all I got for you.
I've wanted to murder Xur this season since the changes to exotic engrams. I've had 7-8 or more Aeon Swifts for my hunter in that time. At least 3 or 4 of those were from Xur's fated engram, the others were just the game trolling me with what would be exciting exotic drops turn into Aeon Swifts. It's especially annoying when I'll get a great 62+ stat roll on gloves I instantly dismantle regardless.
I'm going to be honest, I've been using the Karstein Gauntlets for so long that without it I feel super vulnerable. I've just gotten so used to healing from melee that it feels wrong without it.
Joseph Jones They’re so good with the new top tree Dawnblade.
Using top tress, there ranged attack procs them. I wish there ornament changed colors too though
You could just play devour and run Nezarick's Sin. Full heal on any kill, faster grenades, melee ability, and super energy to boot. Seems like an inferior playstyle to use Karstein Gauntlets, but if you really want to play other subclasses I could see the appeal. Or maybe it's just fun even if it's worse, which is a good enough reason to run them. I like running Getaway Artist on Chaos Reach even though it's probably still worse than just using either bottom tree or Crown of Tempests. Y'know, you do you and all.
Cash Rock oh yeah, Ive mained top tree dawn all season lol. That’s probably why I love it so much
I Always want to put karstein on when not playing Devour-Lock, feel like I can't play aggressive without it.
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MrSpiceBoi: Still using this cringey meme format in 2020
well they're always interesting no matter the topic so yeah
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13:21 “while the auto reloading function skips having to reload on the go” *proceeds* *to* *manually* *reload*
I'd argue that Contraverse Hold with Enhanced Ashes to Assets equals the functionality of Dire Ahamkhara while retaining the high grenade uptime of CH.
Well skull is complete dogshit exotic with no real purpose since you dont ever need to spam nova in this game and it gives you like no super energy at all. Contraverse gives you infinite grenades. Its really not a competition in the slightest, datto is just on crack dude. I wouldn’t take this tier list very seriously lol.
@@danielwhitehurst5228 unlimited grenades?
@@faiz486 using contraverse hold with attunement of chaos and vortex grenades. If you charge a nade and throw it on a boss (or any enemy that doesn't instantly die), contraverse hold keeps regenerating your grenade and you can spam them very quickly.
daniel whitehurst I’d say it probably works for Datto because he runs in a full team of 3 or 6 in high level content with full communication, so they’ll be chaining supers and orbs off of each other. For the rest of us who LFG (because our Clans disbanded due to how shit D2 was early in its life span), Skull feels useless ever since they nerfed the super energy regains on those exotic archetypes. Saying that you can make it work if you spec with 5 intellect mods + Bad Juju (with catalyst), but that’s a really specific build / way to play.
@@billynahar9861 Good observation
Winters guile is so good at this point bungie has to remove it before it becomes the next raid boss
Chudson Dongus I haven’t got on today but last week even after patch I still could equip them.
They were still bugged after the patch (actually, even *MORE* bugged, because somehow that was possible) so Bungie turned them back off again.
I actually laughed out load at this *snickers* “next raid boss”
Hi-- just a Titan checking out how my Warlock pals are doing.
What? We're boneheads, not heartless.
I can respect that, Bonehead.
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@@BigBootyBatman This is...too wholesome of an interaction.
Please play some Legend rank Comp then we can get back to normalcy.
@@SirPerfectful Don't make me group hug you again.
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Whaddya say? Think our pal needs some of our good will?
@@josefzalusky7307 oh he sure does. And he will get it. I love me some comp matches with buds.
My mans is S L E E P I N G on Controverse Hold in PvE
He really is😪😪😴😴
That's because cry babies just want it to be nerfed in pvp because that's what this game revolves around apparently. Lol
Its not even ridiculous in pvp they just get killed by it and complain
@@swiggityswo9558 i like shutting down shotgun apes with it in pvp, and in pve its so amazing, nova bombs for days
Yeah, there's no activity in which I'd rather have Skull than Contraverse Hold. They're so good, especially with top tree
I got a kick out of "Aeon Soul. . . Yep." love the videos and you have a good sense of humor. Keep killing it Datto!
Verity's Brow + Riskrunner + Pulse Grenades will and always will be a fun time- especially in Gambit. Everything dies.
Verity's Brow + Risk runner = HHSN spam
Try the Sunbracers loadoutin the vid, plus Monte Carlo and a shotgun with Demolitionist
oh it's sooo good it feels unfair
I like Monte Carlo+ python/one punch shotty/Skullfort/ missile titan. It is the Yeetus deletus
Crownt would have q better neutral game
Imagine reloading
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Imagine not reloading
Imagine pressing the reload button
imagine having reload binded
I main Transversive Steps, probs not the best idea for when you need damage though.
Saw you commenting on my favorite exotic at the start of the vid, just wanted to be that guy.
Sentient lasts 20 seconds, vs regular's 13. In addition, if you have a sentient arc soul out when deploying a rift, it replenishes the sentient one, bumping the time back up to 20 seconds. With a proper build, you can have that turret at an uptime of 50 or so seconds, only down for about 5-10 seconds. I think it's super solid in PvE activities, and might be worthy of a bit of a bump up.
its really good but i understand his priority is high level content, in hero level and just regular arc singe grenadier strikes this is a 5/5
It does also fire more projectiles in one volley as opposed to the normal arc soul which makes it also better dps wise.
@@Daccura Higher rate of fire, yeah. I love this baby.
Not even a Warlock main but I still agree that Getaway is super awesome and the upgraded arc buddy is better than regular
Also, let's not forget that the supercharged Arc Buddy will also trigger Armament Mods if you have them equipped. Infinite heavy ammo
The best D2 TH-camr actually utilizing the video description 👌
Thank you for actually collecting specific and relevant clips for each exotic and not throwing in generic gameplay with some images.
Two things, both related to Starfire Protocol. For one, I’m not sure why it wasn’t listed in the subclass specific section along with the other Dawnblade exotics. Secondly, I think you are waaaaaay undervaluing it’s synergy with middle tree Dawnblade where it is arguably the best exotic since the strict gameplay loop you describe doesn’t really apply. Everything about it synergizes with middle tree, you get double healing grenades, your melee empowers your weapon to give you more grenades, and you can have near constant uptime of your rift if you decide to use your grenades for damage. And this all with nearly constant Benevolent Dawn procs increasing all your ability regens if you’re supporting your team. It truly turns you into a healing nightmare for high level content, I highly value it for raids. I’ve even gotten lovemail from using it in PvP, the only time that ever happens.
Was using this build to solo one of the two capture plates in the Sundial while my other 5 teammates were doing the other plate and I finished before them without a death, Starfire Protocol + MT Dawnblade is a force to be reckoned with
Add lumina to that that procs dawn with each noble rounds to give more grenade melee and class energy and you got a monster. This is my go to cause I love support classes
*"Stormdancer"*
Why you gotta do the warlock gang like that, datto? Just say stormcaller ._.
Sounds like a Destiny fanfic
Flame it's been a while since I've seen you in the comments section. 👀
@@carsonrreed I know. But the warlocks are not dancers!
dude, i was messing up stormdancer, stormtrance, stormcaller so many times in this recording that i'm shocked i got one right.
@@DattoDoesDestiny oh hey datto. Your nice.
17:52 Love the Call Me Kevin reference there, Grognak.
Dont forget that you can technically run 3 void weapons now with the introduction of the Osmosis perk, which changes your kinetic weapon's energy tp your current subclass' upon using a grenade. This gives Nezerac's a bit more flexibility in loadout options
Honestly, I agree with most of this. Only thing I'd say different is giving Geomags a slightly higher rating.
Using chaos reach to quickly melt staggered Champions in master-level activities from any distance should not be overlooked. Helps you conserve ammo on your big guns for boss dps. Or to supplement dps when you're out.
You get your super back on middle tree quicker than any other Warlock subclass anyway, so being able to get it even faster AND doubling it's duration is very much worth it.
Izanagi, an anti-barrier pulse, Swarm of The Raven with spike grenades, and a Geomag Chaos Reach warlock have been my go-to dps build on master-level content for a while now. It's very effective.
Agreed. With a high intellect build and geomags you can really get a lot of supers, especially if you cut your chaos reach off early to conserve energy.
And chaos reach is a really good super if you can spam it; you can basically just look at any non-boss, non-match-game-shielded enemy and it dies, and any leftover energy is saved for the next major to gross your path. Very good, very fun exotic.
@@natekite7532 Geomags and Reach are quite fun, but personally i cant play arc-warlock without arc-web anymore :)
"Eat your grenade" - Datto 2020
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Getaway artist saves my life a ton in almost everything in PvP it covers my reloads as people tend to run from damage, and in PvE it tears up everything in your path with ark singe and with my grenade/melee build I'm always covered for reloads or clearing out adds. Especially considering you can run it without the ark soul rift and I play middle tree it honestly feels like having another player with me.
Opinions from sweaty boy.
Transversive Steps: 4.5/5 PvP%
While your're not wrong about the increased speed and reload on the go, where this really shines is warlock skating. The bonus sprint speed amplifies warlock skating to a whole different level. They also work to gain and maintain momentum on top tree dawnblade. The reload is seen as a nice bonus and the slide distance is very helpful for shotgunners.
Ophidians: 4/5 PvP
You fail to bring up the main draw of these gauntlets, the ready and stow speed increase. The handling boost provides the next fastest thing to quickdraw in the game. They not only increase the stow speed of your primary but also increase the ready speed of a shotgun which is only a few frames slower than quickdraw. I shouldn't have to explain how strong quickdraw is especially to shotgunners. The reload and melee range speed make little difference and are seen as are not deciding factors when running them.
Sanguine: 5/5 PvP
Sanguine alchemy provides wall hacks on enemies within (i believe) 28 meters. This effect does not go away when they walk out of the range as long as you are still in the rift (enemies do not have a debuff showing they are tracked like oem does) Combining this with 100 recovery, bottom tree arc or mid tree solar, empowering rift, and a high impact sniper like Revoker or Bite of The Fox and you have arguably the most overpowered loadout for 3v3s in destiny's history.
With this build you get infinite rift, wallhacks, and the ability to 1shot anyone under 5resil(90% of the playerbase) the frame they peek you. Cammy made a video on this a while back but despite the attention from that not many people run it. A good fighting lion player can make this even more annoying.
Getaway Artist: 0/5 PvP
This exotic requires you to be on the arc subclass. The most dominant arc subclass is by far top tree solely because of it's grenades. This exotic is built around not using nades and the ttk values that the bonus dmg provides are rarely going to be the deciding factor in a gunfight. The only important ttk change is 2head 1body with handcannons. This exotic is straight useless considering the strength of not only top tree arc but also the strong nade choices the class has a whole.
Astrocyte Verse:
The few and far between players who use this while sniping make this thing incredibly insane. Go watch gamer use this and then cry yourself to sleep that night.
Contraverse Hold: PvE 5/5 PvP 5/5
We know they're op in PvP. In PvE though, they are insane with top tree void since you get infinite nades and if you miss then your melee resets it. I think these are phenomenal in master content where spamming top tree vortex nades melt enemies.
You haven't used Getaway Artist enough, then. It's an extra gun that's with you 100% of the match and gives you advantage in gunfights.
Chibi Plutia yeah, you can two tap with a 110 rpms or require one less bullet with 360 rpm autos which already have a good ttk. You can also shoulder peak and have your arc buddy shoot whilr you are in cover, preventing opponent Regen while also telling you where they are
@@nerdherder9340 I DO 100% see this being fun in qp but it is not a viable option.
I play pc and am in the highest skill division. I can see it being fun and helpful in lobbies with people running around primarying everywhere. As far as high tier play or just overall play goes, your nade is extremely powerful and losing that to help you win a primary fight is an unlikely scenario. I'm not going to try to explain the dynamics of a tryhard 3v3 game but there are not many primary 1v1 fights where your arc soul can help you. the enemy can also run away easily and it only lasts 20secons. Instead of losing an ability to help win primary fights i would rather get better at positioning and gunskill (which doesnt even exist)
I agree with the list but you missed something about Getaway artist: A high dmg Hand Cannon and the buffed arc soul allows you to 2 tap enemies consistently in PvP.
Edit: Watch this
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simply, if your ac soul is the reason you won a fight then you really didn't outclass or outskill or really in theoretics won the fight.
Nice video bro 👌
Well done datto, not an active player but still enjoy the vids
Man, I know it ain’t great, but with Chromatic Fire... I’ve actually gotten multiple kills in the crucible using it alongside Arbalest. Can confirm it’s better than Dragonfly. Super gimmicky, but I feel like it deserves better than 1.
You've underrated Nezerac's Sin in PVE as well. Throw on a Demolitionist/Osmosis Breachlight with some void energy and power weapons and let the grenades and Nova Bombs fly.
Make sure to ashes to assets and top tree nova bomb with a void demolitionist weapon (I use reckless oracle) and your gun feeds grenade energy like no other and your nades feed super energy like no other it’s kinda broken I get super in a few seconds when I do alter of sarrows
I think part of the reason is lower is because it’s still bugged. Sometimes stacks disappear or you’ll kill multiple enemies and get only 1 stack.
@@whisperofthebookworm5341 I've never had a problem with it.
@@kevsmart That doesn't mean it's not bugged
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I didn't realize top tree melee kills restore more melee energy as well for dawnblade. You just made my build even morr fun m8!
Can we get an F for lunafaction and skull of dire Ahamakara?
Skull gets double Fs
16:08 made me actually laugh
I see you kept the best class for the last video of the series :)
Thanks for the list!
Yeah. I largely agree and it seems there's been little change for the Warlock exotic tiers. Most are ok, and only one or two "are of you run this, you *have to* run this.
No 4/5 or 5/5 tier you can run this with *anything* exotics.
I was trying to do some Trig homework and you decide to upload
Trig is easy
Karnstien + Top Tree Dawnblade, I've seen some pretty nasty PvP stuff with this combo.
And the artifact mod. I've been using that combo with a Jack Queen King with Demolitionist/ Swashbuckler and an Icarus mod. It is crazy how many bonuses an aerial melee kill activates. It's not difficult to take a couple of chunks out of someone with JQK and then blast them with the fireball. Health, cooldown, Swashbuckler 5x, ect.
Thank you Datto, very cool
Vesper is a little underrated I feel. With the right build you can chain together grenades and melee to have an almost constant rift up, couple that with a demolitionist shotty and you have a close range monster. Heals from a rift that you can also use offensively, great fun in lower level content
imo Crown of Tempests should be so much higher in pvp. It increases the duration of super by such a significant amount
And if you pair that with top tree you get a super of ridiculous length.
@@shmallowcat2604 And you get to insert a Star Wars meme on audio!
Joshua H. Agree its super good with top tree storm caller you can get an insanely long super though contraverse is still the best but crown is very good
Late reply sorry. I dunno about Crown tho, I've been running it all the time in Crucible, and if my opponents are even half-sentient, they scatter as soon as they hear me ult, and I don't get the long ult length I want. Catch-22: if I blink I lose ult duration, should I blink to catch up hmmmm...
Correct me if I'm wrong tho. I'm a relatively new player, and I'm pretty sure some of you are super veterans hahah.
@@jun920918hao It can be a little tough to pull off, especially when you need the right timing to activate your Super after reading the situation. Once you do, you'll take advantage of what Crown of Tempests can offer you.
If you're the type of warlock that uses lots of grenade ability in PVP, do a decent build that helps decrease the cooldown of your grenade, use the healing rift when you have to in a safe area and use one or two weapons that have the Demolitionist perk to build it up faster after a few kills. Using Masterwork Weapons that give you a ball of light after 2-target multikills will help in gaining some of your Super gauge. It's also important to judge when you want to use your abilities and when you want to save them up for the super on top tree Stormcalller. If your Super is almost about to come out, try to wait for a bit until your abilities are restored and break it out at the right time to open a can of whoopass on everyone.
Just be careful of top or bottom tree Nightstalkers and Sentinel Titans that use Suppresor grenade. They'll ruin your day fast.
Nezerac's sin with devour and demolitionist/osmosis breachlight swarm of the raven and jotun for major's buff said
You super underrated star fire, sure 2 fusion grenades is meh but 2 healing grenades or heat rises procs is absolutely top tier
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Top tree Dawnblade melee, with Claws of Ahamkara, and the artifact mod, Solar Plexus, really puts in work in pvp. I've gotten more melee kills from that build than I've ever got with my titan.
I've been using something similar except with Karnstein Armlets and a Jack Queen King with Demolitionist/ Swashbuckler and an Icarus mod. Aerial ranged melee kills activates a boatload of bonuses. It's really not difficult to chip away a bit of health with the JQK and finish with the fireball.
Videos like these make me feel like a caveman wearing ramshackle tin cans for armor. I'm so oblivious when it comes to structuring my armor with a specific goal in mind haha. My reptile brain sees BIG numbers and says "ME WANT!".
You nailed it... I think the best use of the Promethium Spur is either a sword, melee, or maybe shotgun ape build. Anything where you're lane pushing. Cheers. I might try those out.
Could *possibly* be successful in pvp
I say "you nailed it" meaning visually... seeing Dawnblade gave the build idea
With my top tree dawn blade build, I have 100 discipline which gives me a cool down of 20 seconds before activating the Sunbracers. Love running the build because of the continuous stream of grenades i can throw out. Makes add clear a complete breeze and can still deal tons of damage to a boss.
Reviewing Aeon Soul right when an ad can't be coincidental.
I personally disagree with the low rating for Sanguine alchemy. In 6v6 or 3v3 its incredibly strong if you have a team you can communicate with. Especially on well of radiance
One word: Trials
🤣 its only worth it in few situations
godly with fighting lion
The main issue is it locks you into place with your rift/well. As a player who loves mobility I personally hate Sanguine/rifts :/
That's highly conditional though. Everything from having to plant yourself into a well to simply get vision, to having team mates that aren't brain dead, to making sure you're communicating properly and hoping they perform how you want them to. Conditional performance, one that relies on other people no less, will *always* have less flexibility unless you're playing on a galaxy brain level with galaxy brain team mates.
I love Contraverse Hold, especially in PvE. I've gotten quite used to having a grenade AoE (attunement of chaos), and it's great for Master content. Charge up a grenade, toss it on an orange bar and take cover while doing great damage and usually get your grenade back within 10-15 seconds if not immediately.
Yeah its easily the best warlock exotic for nova. Datto is definitely on hard fucking crack for saying anything positive about skull of shit. Seriously take whatever datto says with a heavy pinch of salt lol
I like the karnstein armlets in the pit of heresy honestly, especially in the 2nd encounter with the three doors, melee the thrall in there and get constant health regen
Warlock melees speeds need to be put in line with hunters and titans. It’s no trade offs with range for why base melee is so slow. This still needs to be fixed. It’s broken. Warlock melees matter
On console it also feels like the melee is very hard to lock on at range, and always misses.
@@Dan_Tactics as a hunter main who prefers using warlocks in crucible i think its the exact oppodite, warlocks have better melee magnetism or whatever you want to call it.
The buff made it great just gotta hit em first usually
@@Dan_Tactics Use Ophidian aspect, makes the melee range broken
I've actually been having a ton of fun in 6v6 with middle tree dawnblade and Starfire protocol, carrying two charges of divine protection allows you to proc benevolent dawn often enough to be able to almost always have a grenade and rift available
Just want to throw out there Datto, Bottom Tree Stormcaller's rift that gives Arc Souls refreshes Getaway Artist's Sentient Arc Soul as well. This has actually been one of my go to setups for PvE and PvP as I can constantly give the team extra damage provide add clear in Nightfalls.
Karnstein armlets are great with top tree daw blade because of the ranged melee and if you combine that with swashbuckler and montecarlo or a one two punch shotgun it makes an amazing build for pvp.
1.75 on Sanguine? Arguably the most broken utility in the game after HHSN? I have to disagree there boss, especially since empowering rift sniper one body shots are literally amplifies by this
Yeah, cammy made a video showing how strong that exotic can be if used correctly with high impact snipe e.g Tatara gaze with KC
@@paulbutcher7006 cammy could make the aeon exotics look good. That literally means nothing, lol.
m0sley While that’s true, in this case Sanguine is still incredibly strong. I used that build for Komodo and at one point I had about 50 linear fusion kills and about 10 of them were headshots.
You have to stand still to use its effect. a good player and definitely a good team can easily outplay this
@Cherry I mean you're just wrong lol but that's okay. It's no Transversives or Contraverse but it's definitely not dogshit.
you havent lived until you've run dual 100 stat discipline and strenth, equip sunbracers, and become an ac130
Sweet Business.
Discipline is kinda pointless with Sunbracers though
Datto not sure if it's still able to be done but using an arc sole rift while the Getaway Artist arc sole is active refreshes for the whole time. Makes it honestly way more effective.
Starfire Protocol has a really good niche build in PvP. Pair Lumina with Starfire Protocol and Attunement of Grace. Use your healing/overshield grenades to initiate aggressive pushes with your team, gobble up Noble Rounds, and use those as needed to get grenades back or refresh teammates for a new gunfight. It's surprisingly effective.
I’d love to see Tlaloc come back - with an added bonus of buffing arc souls on kills
nah tlaloc will always be a sunsingers choice, make it something to do with dawnblade/well to remember its roots
Its would be easily forgotten
nah keep it the same so i actually would never use nova warp
@@mikeydave95 some men just want to see the world burn
Still can’t change my mind on how good stag is
He aint trying to change anyone's mind he is just talking about its usability or natural game because most exotics are situational
The stag is a beast with bottom tree storm caller
Vesper of Radius is actually very nice in solo where it allows you to ignore trash mobs and lets you to just focus on boss / high value targets and in some missions (such as moon hive dungeon) you can actually have perma rift
I believe you undervalue Contraverse Holds in PvE immensely. I might be wearing rose-colored glasses here, but unless I'm in a raid encounter stapling me to Lunafaction Boots, or Reckoning stapling me to Pheonix Protocol, all Master Level Content I'm married to Contraverse Holds, from group to solo play.
It's my go to with top tree void walker but I'll probably go back to chaos reach after the community cries about contraverse in pvp to the point that bungie kills it cause that's what they do.
Contraverse Hold is the most powerful exotic in the game for low-manning atm. Even during a solar-based season and in activities that have no void shields. Not saying it is the best overall or better than the Skull in team scenarios or whatever but it's worth mentioning. I've solo 100k'd multiple 980's this season and nothing gets it done faster than Contraverse in most NF's.
Bro nobody uses skull lol. Its ass. Datto is on crack. Contraverse is the best void warlock exotic but a long shot. If you use devour then use sin, but datto is higher than a kite saying skull is good at all lol.
Unpopular opinion, but the Geomag perk (extended Chaos Reach) should be part of its neutral game. The whole subclass has nothing to offer, other than a mediocre super that only becomes good when paired with one specific exotic. And even then top tree nova is still much better. So, the Geomag perk goes into the neutral game and the sprinting tops it off perk stays on them, maybe with a little buff to it.
But currently I see absolutely no reason to play Chaos Reach.
The subclass needs a rework, but it's ok.
I love pairing Nezarec's Sin with middle tree Voidwalker, the synergy for energy regen is insane
I'd run that if middle tree voidwalker was any good :///
For pvp, my stats are focused on recovery and discipline, so for mobility, I use blink with Astrocyte Verse.
The last time i was this early wl was good in pvp :v
Oh, so you haven't heard of contraverse-literally immunity shield-holds?
@@vgalathion wait wut
@salty hunter, go dustrock yourself.
Datto: “I might’ve been too harsh on Vesper”
Also Datto: proceeds to roast people by saying it is useless to smart players who don’t get into bad situations
Don’t hate the game, hate the player
Nice😂
🤣🤣🤣 he aint wrong tho , if a person puts themself in bad situations just to use it then that person is a bad player
@@colinmx. I wouldn't say "bad" but instead say "aggressive", even though aggressive play tends to result in more bad than good.
@@Kalatash 🤣🤣 bro aggressive and stupid are 2 different things
@@colinmx. Vesper is meant for up close builds, with the right mods you're pretty much unkillable + have an AOE burst shockwave and healing. Different playstyles my dude
@@shinythingsarecool been playing this game for 6 years and that's trash only a try hard would equip that garbage
Ophidian Aspect is top tier for PvP. I have made a build with it soley around ready speed for my shotguns that don't have quickdraw and paired with my mindbenders with Full Choke, Accurized, Snpashot and Rampage it makes it even more deadly. Such an aggresive build with a fantastic exotic.
Getaway artist is actually extremely good for doing solo challenges. Getaway artist arc souls proc any type of armament mod. With the perk you mentioned, you basically can always have the arc soul which means infinite heavy ammo as long as enemies exist.
Some of these shotgun clips infuriate me. Why am I never playing against people that dumb. Lol
Connie Coakley do you know what shotgun it is? I want it!!!!
@@brandn6940 www.light.gg/db/items/4117693024/mindbenders-ambition/
This is why I recently switched and made a titan. After using my warlock for a good 8-9 months of playing destiny, they’re just too underwhelming.
I feel it's worth mentioning that Getaway Artist can skyrocket to probably a 5/5 in PvE if you're fighting the right enemies with a matching armaments mod equipped. You end up triggering armaments basically constantly off of the kills from the arc soul allowing you to have basically unlimited heavy ammo. Personally I run it on middle tree where you can also run ashes to assets and that along with the arc traces ends up charging your super quite fast which you can then use for tougher enemies and cancel early if possible to preserve extra super energy. Running a weapon with demolitionist combined with the arc traces and exotic bonus grenade energy also allows you essentially 100% uptime on the arc soul.
Shame that I almost never actually run this because I'm so addicted to Transversive Steps in PvE and how good they are for helping speed up warlock skating and getting free reloads while you're at it. I'll also just run Worldline Zero in any activity I don't need another exotic or heavy weapon for better DPS potential. Transversive Steps are also insanely fun with a triple GL setup running Mountaintop / Martyr's Retribution w/ auto-loading & Demolitionist / Any GL but I prefer Anarchy. You can fire off one shot with Martyr's, throw a grenade, fire off another shot, swap to Mountaintop and fire off a third shot and then if you're moving you'll reload mountaintop and have Martyr's reloaded momentarily such that you can swap back to that again as well. Anarchy is great for the passive add clear on doorways as well as just sticking 1-2 on majors and such to burn them down AND it's good additional boss dps while you fire the other two GLs. The fact you can run double GL finder, reserves and scavengers means you basically never run out of ammo either. You can also run a similar build on hunter with Dragon's Shadow to reload everything at once. It's also possible to set up season of dawn mods to work with this using the charged with light on GL multikills mod and then whatever you want for either bonus damage or bonus damage reduction if your shield is ever broken. Warlock can just use bottom tree voidwalker and become borderline unkillable with Devour and all the kills and grenade energy you can get constantly.
Make a tier list with coolest looking exotics (with and without ornaments) because let's be honest, endgame is trying to look as badass as possible.
when you realise your season rank is almost as high as a professional Destiny player.. oops..
0:25 wth is wrong with these people?
KryptonPrimus it was like drive through 😂
@@beastiiir5594 hell yeah : )
Getaway artist: Kinda a niche thing, but Hive armaments (or taken armaments or the like), are proc-ed by kills with the supercharged arc soul. So You can use it to get a decent grenade build then use almost exclusively heavy ammo weapons. (Hive Armaments: grenade kills on a hive target generate heavy ammo.) (Thunderlord was fun to combo with this.)
With Getaway Artist, if you eat your grenade for a sentient arc soul AND place a rift with bottom tree Stormcaller, you can refresh the timer on getaway artist. With 20 seconds, you can have it up even more. This trick basically let’s you triple the uptime on the arc soul.
Karmstein armlets combine with top tree dawn is slept on for pvp. Has become a survival go to. Especially with solar plexus.
Starfire Protocol is actually a great Exotic for Dawnblade, but only for Attunement of Grace:
- Double fusion grenades that serve as healing grenades
- Damage from Empowering Rifts recharges your nades, but that effect also works within the Well of Radiance and under the Empowered buff of the melee.
Basically, you have your abilities all the time. And you can throw lots of fusion grenades while in the Well of Radiance.
Can't argue with the list. Well said.
Side, I'm a Warlock main, and to this day I still don't use Contraverse Hold in PvP. It's just dumb how good it is imo. Plus I like Trans Steps more.
You don't use it because midntree void super is shyte.
I use Vesper of radius with Well of Radiance in group activities were u get mobbed a lot, like sundial or menagerie, and if i keep one or two ppl around it means a lot of energy for your all abilities and mainly Super ;) very underated Exotic imo.
One note about getaway is that it changes the rift arc soul as well to have the same effect as the supercharge. it doesn't apply to your allies however (at least last i tested it)
I'd say this is a good list with very few oversights, and it even gave me a couple of good ideas. The only huge oversight I want to talk about is the use of Starfire Protocol on Well of Radiance in PvP.
With something like the arbalest, you can 1 shot body at any range while in an empowering rift. You can then use your Grenades to heal yourself. You can throw them to teammates who are being pinched, or give yourself an overshield before peaking a risky angle. Because recovery is the meta in PvP anyway, you should run high recovery and get your rift back quickly even though you're not getting grenade kills. This is a potent build, and the Arbalest is just one of many strong empowered rift synergies you can use. You can run something like Revoker, or just a typical handcanon, or even Mountaintop. There are loads of bullshit options you can run, because every weapon feels great when you're peaking in an empowered rift with an overshield.
I found a really good support build with Starfire Protocol in which you use your middle tree to have two healing grenades, or two damage grenades, or one of each. That, combined with rifts to either heal (which sounds redundant, but it works) or empower, and you got a freaking paladin for a subclass. Add some regen mods and you’re pretty much spamming grenades and rifts wherever you go. It’s really good in PVE and gambit, but don’t hold your breath in PVP.
Yep. Thorn/le monarque + getaway artist is nasty
The ultimate trickle
the return of the profile picture
I LOVE getaway artist, since I rock a disciple build devour lock normally when I switch for strikes I can keep my arc soul indefinitely.
Run it with armaments mods and an heavy with demolitionist and you get to have a bottomless clip heavy. Its prolly the most broken thing in the game. Datto isnt actually very knowledgeable about shit or is smoking crack, but yeah getaway artist are extremely good if not straight up the best warlock exotic with armaments.
Starfire Protocol is a killer combo with the well warlock and the healing grenades. Two healing grenades is a lot better than one.
Datto forget about main combo-wombo of “Get away artist” its great work with raid havy mods (evry arc soul kill counts as grenade kill) so you can easily get full havy ammo whenever you want
Getaway Artist has helped me getting away from most of the Gambit/Crucible matches in my three months wearing them than any other exotic in my total of 10 or so months playing... and I've been wearing Transv. Steps like a madman for ages...
I would say that I prefer contraverse hold over skull for top tree void because you get a lot of energy back with vortex, and with enhanced ashes to assets, you can net a lot of super energy with a group of adds, once nice group clear can give you the ahamkara energy level, but on demand.
16:05 "yep." 😂 never has it changed 3 years in the making
For the Getaway Artist, Super Arc Soul refreshes if you have it up PRIOR to the rift.
Sunbracers don't stack damage on multiple solar grenades QQ
Starfire Medics are a thing, but much more so in 3 on 3