Become an Electrician they said!!! Chipboard flooring.
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I drill a 6mm hole next to the nail and knock the nail head across into my new hole the board the just lifts off over the nail
Tip!
Thanks man thats a wicked idea
Thanks. Great tip
Great tip that 👍
Thx!
I love the way you cut the volume when drilling etc. Saves me turning the volume up and down. cheers.
I’ve just finished rewiring a similar house. I used the armeg solid board cutter with blanks. You use a lot of blanks (Amazon sell them in bulk) at £2+ a pop, but no damaged flooring and it was so much quicker. With carpet/flooring on top you would never know they were there.
Decent quality 12 - 15mm hole saw without arbor around the nails in the chipboard. Board lifts up easy. Screw board back down afterward. Fill the gaps as appropriate.
Well shit, i've never thought of that.
Yep done it this way myself, only way to get them up without major damage, 8 x 2 chipboard flooring is areal pain in the backside
You've stole my tip ha
Have you seen some off the other comments on this subject in this thread🤦♂️
Well "I'll be god damned" superb tip right there...
Love your vids. Keep up the good work! For floor boards with nails, have you tried using a ~12mm hole saw (the ones with no pilot bit) to cut around them, so you lift the board, leaving plugs behind? Then just pull the plugs/nails up. You can fill the plugs with dowels. Cheers.
Lovely quiet drills you've got Chris.
For lifting chipboard and ply floors a nail puller is the only way of doing it. The one I use has a sliding Hammer on it. Makes live so much less stressful
Great video Chris. I recently had to take up 8x2 boards nailed down. Bloody horrible 70s rubbish. I used countersink bits around the nails, then pulled them with smallpry bar.
Then like you, cut edges. Filled holes with toupret powder wood filler, brilliant stuff. Then screwed next to old holes.
Chipboard sheets are the devil's work, esp when nailed.
I loved house re-wires lucky you working in an empty house.
I have done some electrical work in Thailand concrete floors now that’s much harder than chipboard.
Retired and living the dream but still keep my hand in.
Great vid.
I got some of those Tri Wing bits in the US they're called speed bits I think. they were awesome at cutting through some really solid wood. I did finally manage to dull a drill bit though, and then there was the incident with the other one in the electric wire.......
Between all the wires being shoved through very few extremely small holes and cutting into joists where you shouldn't be. I decided to drill from one side of the basement to the other two passages and another two rows on half of the basement either side of the house. What a nightmare. Now that it's done it's amazing because I can just slot wires almost clear through which made a whole lot easier work out of fixing the mess of "fixes" in the basement. Thankfully everything else in the house was behind drywall and couldn't get messed with. Other than Outlets that would no longer hold plugs and needed to be duct taped in place I've essentially did a rewired. I have checked everything upstairs and more or less redid the entire downstairs, I only have a one or two circuits left to do and a nice shiny new electrical panel and the federal "fire" Pacific was retired.
I'm down to a basement Outlet circuit that needs to be extended to two more outlets and then branched out to some gfi's on the outside. Changing over the basement lights to their own circuit. And outlets around my part of the basement which is connecting to a UPS system/ power grid quad duplex boxes and a isolated circuit for a mini kitchen related stuff.
Suffering exactly the same right now where instead of screwing it down, they nailed it. And also stretches under skirting board AND under batons, so looking like I am going to have to do the same and just cut a piece out. Never done this before though as it is my home and no idea how best to secure it back afterwards! Cost me a fortune so far on different tools just to fit some extra sockets to avoid chasing all around the living room LOL
Nice vid, I always fit when wiring cupboard lights door switches! Just purely so the lights don’t get left on!
Great video, lots of hard work on your own. Hopefully all the work will pick up, as long as you and your family are safe it’s the most important thing. I have a pneumatic nail pusher, works amazing and you can then reuse the boards with minimal damage. If you have a compressor, the tool is only about £60. It will pay for it’s self on the first job!
Great video! Them chipboard floors! Looks very tricky.
Exactly the same shit I had to deal with the past couple of days, chip board is just a lazy way to lay floors, i ended up using a plug cutter around the nails.
Nice one Chris, I feel your pain from my sofa
Nicee video mate, keep up the great work!
If you use the Bosch self cut speed spade bits and a decent Combi you'll go through the joist in the same speed if not quicker than the time lapse
Use impact drill with bits you recommended. Boom
Bosch bits are solid, takes seconds to drill. Saves so much time
hmatin85 Irwin blue auger. Self feed bits absolutely munch through joists.
You don't always have the space needed to put any decent pressure on the drill even with the self feed bits in a combi.
The impact makes it so much easier for tighter spaces imo.
The self feed bits in the combi are good though no doubt.
I couldn't agree more regarding the Bosch self cut speed spade bits. With a Makita Combi (max 91Nm totque), I can go through a 3" old scots pine joist with a 25mm bit in less than 30 seconds, the bit and the drill do all the hard work. I would highly recommend getting a set.
Have a look for a Bahco 38 Nail Puller great bits of kit for this very problem if you come across it often.
Got these boards in my own house. Looking forward to putting spots everywhere.
Thanks Chris looking forward to Pt2
I changed career a few years ago now... Looking at this it brings back memories of f*****g chip board with its un-friendly nails!!!!. I would just used to all the new regulations and then they would change all over again!!. As I get older my brain and memory are not what they used to be!!. I have to say though your patience and your quality of work is spot on
Someone took pride in that old fusebord. Surprised since the house is getting a full refurb no one did a quick asbestos survey. Only £30 odd quid a test and gives you peace of mind.
Dewalt lever bar awesome for de nailing and invest in a armeg solid board cutter they are 👌
Hi Chris in the second fixing stage of the next video for this property could you show us you second fixing the two 2way switches please
Nice one Chris 👍
Chris. I’m a ex plumber training to be a electrician... I used to use a centre punch to push those ring nails all the way through, very unlikely you’ll puncher a pipe. Cutting through the tongue n groove. Then those boards will pop up nicely. Got have a angle drill and auger bit. Great vids 👍🏽
No disrespect mate I,m just curious..how do you" become " a spark?.. Are apprenticeships ,which took four years, a thing of the past? How much training are you doing nowadays to "become " an Electrician?
SANSOUCCI hello. Anyone with a certain level in math (I’m not sure of the requirement) or a level 3 grad qualification can sign up to do a electrical course starting with the level 2 diploma 2365 . Day release or evening school. I’m not doing an apprenticeship myself. I’m in a job that is mechanical electrical where the electrical qualification is a prerequisite to the job I’m in. My advise is if you are struggling to find a job as an apprentice then it may be worthwhile getting the qualification. Then this will put you in good position to find a job to get the on site experience you’ll need.
@@B1cam Thats good. I just thought that to be an electrician that you had to serve an apprenticeship just like any other trade. I,m probably years behind, but surely the old time electricians cant be pleased about guys just going to college and not serving their time?
SANSOUCCI there are different ways to get into trades. Apprenticeship are usually for young people. Older people may be improvers.
@@B1cam Yes but the older person is usually a time served tradesman who is brushing up his skills. I,ve heard nothing but mockery, ridicule, and scorn for those who did not serve a recognised four year apprenticeship and are now getting jobs as sparks. brickies etc, I've also heard many who are angry about it.. How could anyone anywhere possibly become a tradesman, or a competent person in a trade having done a few courses? It certainly does not make any sense to me nor to many others.
Great workmanship you are a hard worker 👏🇮🇪😎
just pick a route so that the nails are on the outside of your cut that way the board will just lift out without having to prise it up with tools
remember it only needs to wide enough to get the drill in :)
For the nailed boards, angle grinder for the head of nail, then pull remaining part of nail out when board is up or trim off flush with grinder again
where did you get the kneeling pad from? could do with one of them as well as the knee pads.
i had to sort out my bedroom a few years ago, the room would be absolutely roasting hot on one end and freezing cold on the other. And of course it had tongue and groove chipboard flooring nailed in, was an nightmare.
Turns out there was 6 i think 3-4 hot water pipes going through the floor at one end, and they had absolutely not insulation. It was like having under floor heating under my bed. managed to insulate them, but i probably should have filled the entire cavity as i still wake up dehydrated.
Also turned out the other end of the room the bay had no insulation, just tile, membrane, studs and plasterboard. with a roof section below it allowing air to just freely flow up and into the cavity behind the plasterboard, and into the joists below the floor. I could literally feel the breeze coming through under the skirting when i put in laminate floor. Still having to convince the parents the whole roof section needs proper insulation so it's not just leaking heat out of the house but they would rather pay thousands for heating than deal with a bit of a mess for a while to finally sort it I guess.
The trick to the board was to use two hammers, set ones teeth either side of the nail and hammer it in a bit, just enough to get some leverage, use a block if needed and get the nails out with minimal damage to the board. But at the time i had no fancy tools so i had to cut the board with a hand saw. Never want to do that again. I should have just invested in a circular saw.
could you use a reed switch and magnet for cupboard lights ?
Just done a rewire chip board floors never again every board snapped had to replace nearly all the flooring lost money checking under carpet from now on and will not be bothering pricing nightmare job
Im the same check under carpet and if chipboard i will not do it, the new type in new builds is glued down completely, you cannot get the floor up with destroying the floor
@@jasonmoran1007 most of houses been in lately scared to take carpet up just not being pickey but lived in houses just not worth the hassle and they dont want to pay for me moving they crap been in some shitholes lately and just not doing lived ins any more
I felt your pain
@@timkelliher6855 My first rewire after starting on my own was a lived in, they had just moved in had most stuff in storage just 2 of them when I want to price, said it would be same during rewire. You guessed it their adult kid was with them and they'd moved all their stuff out of storage into the house. Too green and desperate for work I suffered through it, these days I'd invoice them for the day and tell them call me when it's empty then spend the rest of my day looking for other work to fill the week.
As an apprentice I was told don't bother, do something else! Cheered me up no end! Then I was told you'll never be rich but you'll never be out of work, well I've only been out of work for 2 weeks in 50 yrs mostly enjoyed my time as a sparky met some "interesting" people.
I'd recommend you don't install a switch for the wardrobe lighting so it doesn't get turned on and left on without knowing. Get some cabinet door switches installed with an isolation spur located near by. A rather more sounder install that way. 👍
I see no problem with a switch I have wired them with cabinet door switch's in the past they are OK but if the door is not fully closed the light stays on and PIR sensors can give problems and if the light is left on accidentally led lights used very little electricity so its not the end of the world, I like to keep things simple nowadays so I would stick with a switch unless the client says differently.
@@paulbrown9175 obviously my standards, design and logic are different than yours.
Having seen all three types of mentioned switches used, I’d say that for a door that is latched closed, I would prefer a cupboard switch or PIR. To avoid a conventional switch I’d say the only other option is that of a time delay switch like a pneumatic one that would turn the light off after a maximum time of ten minutes. The only problem with these may arise during wardrobe reshuffles and clear outs. Apart from that I think that they are a good option for cupboards and lofts.
Invest in a Priory 150 Nail Puller ! saves loads of time
lovely colour scheme
You seem a little more tense of late Chris?.
Hope all is well my friend👍
Keep up the good work
Damn good video as per usual Chris. Mate. I would absolutely love to come out with you for a few days mate, just to learn some of your stuff! Don’t you worry about handing me any funds at all it’s purely for experience and I’ve got most of the required gear so that would also solve the headache of using your tools ect. Give it a think please.? Keep doing your stuff! 👍🏾
Have you ever wired a house for Ethernet? Something that would have about 1 or 2 cable runs to each room.
Nice videos.. that tiny hammer looks like hard work 😂😂
5:50 what about magnetic switches on the doors ?
Good luck man
"The plumber thats coming next week" you are very modest - we know that will be you Chris
Chris i don't think you are being fair to be fair. Always enjoy your Vids.
Wouldn't like to be doing a rewire on my own. Definitely doing the upstairs lighting, up, down, up, down feeding cables up? Get an apprentice and make the job easier for yourself?
He needs to adhere to social distancing guidance, having an apprentice with him onsite would increase the risk of either catching the virus or spreading it.
@@ashmanelectricalservices4318 1 up in the loft and 1 upstairs not enough distance? Social distancing or not, I wouldn't be rewiring a house on my own...
Ashman Electrical Services Not necessarily my company have a site on at the moment with 5 people on it, I think it has to be under 5
On domestic I mean
@@uplightuk8924 I don't think it's got anything to do with numbers, it's about keeping a 2 metre distance from anyone else. Don't see how 5 people working in a house can keep 2 metres apart from each other.
Hi ,I’ve got a question..I’m wanting to add more sockets to the inside of my garage, to save time and money would it be ok to install the sockets and conduit myself to help the electrician ? Of course the electrician would do all the wiring. Thanks
Damn chip board horrible stuff and doesnt help how they put them down with ring nails. Just another example of the cheap and easy mentality of "new" builds.
Hey Chris, invest in nail puller mate when lifting way rock flooring ! Great video 👍
Hi Chris
Great video as usual, recommendation for removal of the chipboard flooring, once you’ve cut the board with your circular saw, use either a nail punch to knock the nails through the board into the joist or buy a Stanley nail pulling bar that you hammer in under the nail head and pull out magic
Do you have to cut the floor up in every house or do some builders give you a heads up before putting the floor down?
Excellent video of work progress. One question: with cutting the boards about 6” or so from the wall, how are you going to support the board with no floor joist underneath? I assume you would use a bit of 1”x 3” half width screwed to the underside of the existing board and then screws the cutout piece to the other half width?
Yes, noggins between joists and under the cut to support the floorboard
Nice one Chris , try using a multi tool with a good quality steel blade to cut off the tops of the nails on a 45 degree angle and then the boards will pull up easy , i then just cut off the remainder in the joist with a grinder , it will make life easier..👍
What kind of saw did you use for cutting the chipboard?
Hi Chris, you look really familiar. We’re you on electrical course in Bracknell about 15 years ago? Good vid by the way 👍🏼
I've never used a drill bit with an impact driver.... I assume because the driver is smaller and fits between the joists but, does it work?
Yeah for roughing work like this it's a bit like the principle of an sds gun where it's hammering and smashing as it rotates. Wouldn't use it on open timber as it tends to burst out the other side but it's ideal to save time and means you don't have to put force on the gun for it to get through. For Normal speed bits I like the Bosch blue from screwfix. Only recently worked out if you need more than 2 or 3 it's cheaper to buy a set
Try using a Trend routabout. Will cost a couple of quid but will save time and grief
I saw a video the other day. He cut a 20mm Hole around the nails. Cut the boards like you did and simply just lifted them. What do you think to that idea? Class videos tho Chris. Keep up the good work and content.
Hi Chris, I find with annular shank nails, best to punch them all the way in then you can cut the tongue and lift the board. always a nightmare?
Where do you hire your class h vacuums from? Can’t seem to find anyone who rents them out? Cheers
Hi guys.. I'm fitting a light switch to my outdoor flood light that I have powered from my shed socket.. The light switch I picked up has common, 1 and 2... I've wired up live from socket into common and live from flood light to 1.. But it's not working.... Any ideas why?
chris what saw are you using in the video bud?
This is why i left the job back then it was laminate everyone glued down laminate, made everything 10x more difficult .
Someone had fun with the paint in that house
Great Video. The pandemic has allowed me to stumble onto your videos. I just retired from the IBEW a few months back, after 45 years as an inside wireman. There's a few small differences between your local and the United States, but the interpretation is half the fun.
Can anyone tell me what that green paint is. Is it primer for skim?
Can you show us how to price a job like that
Anybody got an opinion on the new 18th Ed Hagar consumer units. I have experience of installing them in the 80's when I was working for a company and they were cheap nasty crap. I need a 24 way board and Hagar look the better of what is available. Your thoughts appreciated.
always lift the carpet when quoting , thats put a day on the job .
"Nails"! The problem is always f'ing nails!
Stay safe mate, I hate chip board floors
Could put a sub main and move the consumer unit to a cupboard ted? Might make future work easier?
Was thinking that myself , maybe the cost is too much ?
That's what we do, 16mm 3 core armour and a DP 80A MCB in an enclosure where the existing meter is, then you can put the consumer unit in a sensible place.
I have 2ft T8 LED tube with push to break switch in each cupboard (I have 2) and it does the job 👍🙂
Highly recommend Bosch Self-cut speed bits with an impact for drilling joists!
I put micro switches in when doing lighting in wardrobes/ cupboards.
Where’s ya old mate Andy
Love your work mate ... stay safe in these times 👍👍👍👍
Surely common sense would suggest that between all the trades it would quicker, cheaper and easier if the ceilings came down and got reboarded which probably happened anyway. Saves making a mess of all the floors. I guarantee those floor patches will start squeaking in 12 months time
Great video as always Chris....for me you film alot of stuff that electricians breeze over like lifting floorboards and chipbord🤦♂️, information on different types of walls, fishing cables through different access points and voids, basically the important stuff that can't really be taught in college and alot of new electricians struggle with.....keep up the good work sir and never mention that you are a multi trade ha.....it is impossible to know more than one trade and be good at them👊
Are you leaving sockets and switches at the old heights?
It's not a new build, he can...
Is it not easier to go through the ceiling underneath rather than lifting the chipboard.
Chris B no!
He said the ceilings contain asbestos so the less disturbed the better
Just put a push to make switch in the cupboard so as you open the cupboard it turns the light on
@Dusty 99 push to break
I'm using a "bosch" flat impact bits, they're lovely!
Do you not reccomend getting it tested mate ?
Lazy bastard chippy's nailing that chipboard in - no excuse with the pukka screws and impacts available today.
That job looks a tricky one - separate the good sparks and not so good with how efficiently the job can be done in a decent time. Top work.
Little tip get the stubby armeg impact bits. They are expensive but a lot better than competition. I've tried the bosch blue flat spade bits, those dewalt black dewalt ones. All impact versions. The armeg stubbys are the best. Search armeg stubby on amazon.
Arent the sockets meant to be 450mm from the floor? Not a sparky just asking
Or is it just new builds only?? But since your doing a complete rewiring shouldnt it be 450mm for best practice
Chipboard arrrrrr!!! BUILDER'S PLEASE " FLOOR BOARDS " I never liked the radial idea,think its just a dumb excuse to cut corners. I allways install final ring circuits who ever thought this one up was a complete twat. Nice to see you have some work on.
Just want to say, when choosing to wire a radial on a 16 amp breaker, bear in mind that should there be a problem with the gas central heating what's the typical remedy ? ..........Answer; go out and purchase fan heaters, maybe three, so maybe a 4mm or a RFC on a 32amp is not such a bad idea after all.
Always 20amp for whole floor of sockets.
Better to much than not ebough
Ed Glue How is 20 amps sufficient for a whole floor of sockets? Less than 5kw. A couple of decent heaters and it's maxed. Sockets always 32.
@@spencerwilton5831 he said he was putting a 16amp breaker in for upstairs radial.
get a wood plug cutter drill round the nails and then could lift the board up
I haven’t watched your videos before but I stumbled across to this Chanel just now I and I think your videos are great but do you have a head cam so we can see you removing the old lights and fitting new thing etc. I subscribed too!
Thank you and yes head cam makes an appearance now and again.
Wow! 2 bog rolls left in that cloakroom WC. Bagsy if you're not using them.
What’s the electric tool used to cut floorboard ?
It looks like a WORX WX423.
@@pestexuk cheers !
You do well to look after your knees. I'm old and my knees are f*cked. 👍
Get yourself the holesaw with the plastic floor covers they mint !!
So easy when allowed by SWMBO to pull up the carpets and the floorboards. 😂
you need a Slide Hammer Nail Puller
all that sh*** from the loft comes down thru dowlights holes anyway. Turn off the lights and get your torch near the downlight and you see how much dust is floating around.
PIRs that come on in the night, that'll be the rats.
Mate I feel for you! Why would the nail the floor down?! Nicely done going through the floor carefully with the saw. And thanks for editing the audio on the drilling, quality work!
I bet it was nice to have a guaranteed empty house to film in without feeling like you needed to sneak around and film in secret! 🤣👍
I always get permission from the client so doesn’t bother me one bit talking to a camera now. All part of the job now.
@@Cjrelectrical nice one! Really enjoy your content