Jack, as a Welsh person I must commend your Welsh pronunciation. Only one error. Glyndwr is more like glin not glun. I live seven miles from Cardiff in the former Glamorgan. Welsh counties changed many years ago. I'm very proud to be Welsh but guess what era in history is my favourite? Yes the Tudor era. Thanks so much for this video Both. Alison 🏴🏴🏴
Was coming to the comments to say just this - it is amazing whenever creators put in real effort to learn the correct pronunciations. Especially Owain, which is not Oh-Wane!
I actually don't really see the problem pronouncing it as "glun". Honestly, if I heard someone pronounce it as "glin" I'd want to correct them. However, this really isn't a problem for either of us since North and South Walian is pretty different. I'm only a stones throw away from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgorgerychwyndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch (I actually kinda want to say from Bangor, but most people know Llanfair-pg better). The difference really comes from how both of us pronounce the "u". You pronounce it more like an "I", while I would pronounce it more like the "e" in "eww" Edit: But I can kinda see your point, saying that how he pronounced it is similar to "gun", or in linguistics terms, a schwa, but I hope you learnt something from the North/South divide in our language
Surprised he got this one considering he messed up the G when trying to demonstrate how a name was pronounced in French a few months ago. It’s great to see either way, most people don’t even try.
Amazing work as always, I never thought I’d see someone on TH-cam who could actually pronounce “ll” correctly! The early medieval period of Wales is definitely my favourite, I think the sparing information we have is what makes it so fascinating and mysterious.
Very impressed with the Welsh pronunciations in this video. Most narrators from outside Wales really struggle and butcher the names! The only one that was significantly wrong was "Morgannwg", and the only other issue was where the word emphasis was placed - in Welsh, it's almost on the penultimate syllable, so "morgannwg" would be pronounced "mor-GAN-oog". But other than that, top marks!
@@Emmet_Moore Isn’t it akin to Beauchamp? I always assumed that to be the case, but I might well be wrong. In that case I apologise and have no objection.
@@PeterCrighton There's the House of Beaufort, who actually lost their hereditary peerage in the House of Lords after New Labour's reforms and no longer go by that name. They're descended from John of Gaunt (who you might know from Shakespeare's Richard II) and their main seat is at Badminton House in Gloucestershire, which I actually visited once. Beauchamp is just another surname, although it too has heavy ties to the Anglo-French aristocracy.
@@Emmet_Moore I just looked it up where I had my knowledge from. According to historical fiction author Rebecca Gablé, in both Beauchamp and Beaufort the first part is pronounced the same (“be”). Now, although she heavily studied that time period, she is a German author, so she might have gotten it wrong. But that’s why I always thought Beaufort was also pronounced like that.
The eldest daughter of Llewelyn the Great and her descendants married into Scottish nobility, including the Bruce kings of Scotland, which means every British monarch from James VI and I onwards is a descendant of Llewelyn himself.
The Tudor origin story made me think about JRR Tolkien and his stewards of Gondor. And because Tolkien knew a lot about British history I can't imagine this is a coincidence. Even if his stewards don't become kings by conquest but de facto kings when the royal dynasty ended.
Tolkien was actually deeply interested in Welsh history and culture, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was a (subconscious?) source for the Stewards of Gondor. Tolkien believed in inherent aesthetics of language, i.e he held the opinion that some languages are more beautiful than others structurally. I remember reading in his letters that he felt Finnish and Welsh were two of the most beautiful languages in the world, and he based much of his Sindarin and Quenya (the Elvish languages) on these two languages. I would love to learn Welsh at some point, and learn more about the rich culture of Wales. I was obsessed with the Arthurian Romances as a college student and that got me interested in the history of the British Isles. I speak English, Bengali (my native language) and a bit of Spanish, and I enjoy learning languages so it's in my bucket list.
It's important to mention that 'Prince' has a different meaning in the Welsh tradition than in the English tradition. In Wales a prince is a younger king who is actively involved in their military campaigns, whereas a king is older and is not directly involved in their military campaigns. Whilst kings are expected to be more experienced and wise, neither title is higher than the other.
Fair play to you, butt. I clicked on this video expecting to puke out of my ears from the inevitable 17 minutes of mispronunciations, but CLEARLY you did your research. Truly impressive. I’m named after Hywel Dda and you nailed it. Better pronunciation than most of my monoglot compatriots in fact. Diolch i ti! 👏🏼
It’s brilliant to finally see someone pay attention to Welsh history - thanks! Could we have a video on who would be the true monarch of Wales today? Thanks!!!
The true monarch of wales is very hard to decide as a lot of people (including myself) are direct descendants of the welsh kings (in my case, Owain Gwynned).
Thank you for doing the research into the correct pronunciation of the Welsh names - When you got the DD in Gwynedd right I was like "ok, this might be good", and then when you got the LL in Cadwallon right I was in love! Diolch o galon!
The House of Abberfraw still survives. It is represented in the male line by Evan Anwyl of Tywyn. He lives in Gwynedd, North Wales. He is descended from Rhodri II of Gwynedd. He has a son Dafydd who lives in Manchester, England, and a cousin Peter who also lives in England. I don't know if there are other representatives of the male line still living. The law of succession of the House of Abberfraw dictated that a Prince of Gwynedd should be succeeded by a close male relative with legitimate born claimants having precedence over illegitimate claimants. Women and their sons were excluded from the succession in Gwynedd.
It really is nice to see a vid in which the history of the Welsh and their rulers are taken seriously. Good job with the pronounciation too, much appreciated!
Birthright rulership is immoral. I don’t know why anyone celebrates the history of usurpers and tyrants who used divine right and political marriages to consolidate power through the centuries.
Really appreciative of the Welsh pronunciation. You've done better than all of the England- and Scotland-based call-centre staff I've had to spell out place names to after my recent house move within Wales.
@@CymruCreator Ha! Yeah as someone who hasn't learned much more in languages since leaving school, that caught me out (despite living near somewhere named Ty Coch).
Great video! I always found the Tudors fascinating, and see them as a type of "poetic justice" - the supplanted Welsh princes eventually ending up on the throne (albeit in a different form). No wonder so many authors draw on the wars of the roses for inspiration!
One of my favourite books is the Welsh Mabinogeon. I read it about 40 years ago and am now looking for a new copy. Such a rich history, loaded with the stories told handed down by memory; a time whe we really used our brains. Thanks! Great stuff!
In the U.S., I live in the borough of North Wales… near the the townships of Upper Gwynedd and Lower Gwynedd, in which a major road is named Welsh Rd. I had heard my area was founded by Welsh farmers, I guess this confirms it.
OK, I'm a HUGE fan of Jack and have only just stumbled upon this channel (yes, I'd heard him mention it, never followed up). As a welshman can I just say how he did so well with the difficult LL sounds and a fair few others. A few pronunciations a little off, but easily one of the best non-welsh attempts I've heard (looking at you, Blue)
My gateway ancestor opened up the medieval world to me, my 23rd gt grandfather was Rhirid flaidd, I've been very very lucky, I discovered a book written in the 1890s showing that my ancestors knew that they were descended from the Red Wolf of Gest , blaidd rudd
1:21 Cunedda’s grandfather was Romano-British, and was named “Padernus of the scarlet robe” the earliest ancestor that we know of is a bishop named “Tegid”
No mention of the most famous ancient kings of Wales, Caradoc, Arthur I and Arthur II. Sad. It's been a long, LONG effort of the English to muddle the waters of the historical King Arthurs, dismissing entire welsh records outright. It's probably because the Saxons WERE the bad guys after all. Maintaining Arthur's historicity challenges the legitimacy of the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain.
I'm a Goronwy (Goronwy means birthed for the crown, it was more a title than a name back then, which is why Rhys ap Tewdwrs brother and sons name were Goronwy so they knew who was next in line for the crown) all the "tudors" were desendant from this last King of Wales. my family were from Pembrokeshire and Penmynydd. I've traced my family tree (via dna, rb1 blood) to the Tudors and further to the Kings of the North (Urien of Rheged) King Rhys ap Tewdwr was my 31st great grandfather and Hywel Dda my 33rd. I'm a direct desendant of the true Kings of Britian, the house of Dinefwr and one of few who still carries the name and bloodline.
Just want to point out that the link between the welsh princes and Owen Tudor was a concocted one, there was no familial link, it was a false pedigree made-up by Henry7th to attempt to make the Tudor line look more important.
As a Welsh born and bred, I want to thank you for your pronunciation. I assume you're American or Canadian, so it must have taken a lot of effort to get where you are.
At 12:05 you say "Wales remains a part of England (now Great Britain) to this day", Wales isn't a part of England and never has been, it's a part of Great Britain which is a part of the UK.
It's interesting that the names from Cunedda to Cadwallon are left out. He mentions the dark ages, but the genealogy has been confirmed from multiple sources that Einion Yrth was the second son of Cunedda and King of Gwynedd after the passing of Cunedda. Einion had two sons Cadwallon Lawhir King of Gwynedd and Owain Ddantgwyn King Of Rhos. I'm a direct descendant of Owain Ddantgwyn where my royal lineage essentially stops because he was murdered by his brother Cadwallon Lawhir's son who took control over his territories.
As others have commented, my maternal family ancestral line was traced back to the Princes of Powis too; by my Gt. Aunt Myfanwy, Aberystwyth University, in the '70s I think. However, as Greg Davies also discovered he was descended from Royalty - most of us Welsh are!
I am descended from Alfred the Great, Kenneth MacAlpin, and Rhodri Mawr ap Merfyn, King of the Britons. Later, also Owain "Owain the Great" Gwynedd and Stephen of Blois, and Llewelyn Fawr "Llywelyn the Great" ab Iorwerth, Prince of Gwynedd > Dafydd ap Llewelyn, Prince of North Wales and Gwynedd. Also, Owain Glyndwr ap Gruffudd, Prince of Wales (last native-born Welshman to hold the title Prince of Wales). Gronwy ap Ednyfed Fychan, Seneschal is also my 21st Paternal GGF (founder of the Tudor family of Penmynydd). The Queen and I share Margaret Tudor, Queen consort of Scots, Lady of Atholl, Baroness of Avanda. She is the link to Henry VII. She is my 12 Paternal GGM.
3:06 actually, the red welsh dragon is not from Cadwaladr (forgive any mispellings)! This is a several century long misconception. Cambrian Chronicles here on youtube has done a fantastic video digging into the origin of the error (the lost flags video). It wasnt ever Cadwaladr's red dragon. I dont recall the exact details, but essentially a game of extreme telephone over centuries resulted in his name being attributed to the first use of the symbol.
Apparently, the Price family goes back to Lord Rhyse ... Price is apparently anglicized Ab Rhyse or Ap Rhyse!!! It's neat to think we may have been related to such historically important people!!
Hey Matt,i actually found a new matrilinial dynasty. It is the dynasty of Elizabeth the cunman and oh boy it produced a lot of queens and empresses,i think you should check it out too,in just 4 generations it had 12 consorts,i say consorts because I included empresses too.
1:25 - I'll be damned... I always wonder, "Who was the first x?", "Who/what was before that?", etc.. Like I always wonder about the first kings of the various kingdoms in Britain - this list is extremely detailed. I did _not_ know history remembered the names of the _leaders_ of the Anglo-Saxon-Jute invasion of Britain... I thought it was just unorganized bands of Scandinavians/Germanic tribes. So I guess those dudes are kind of, sort of like the first kings (ish)..? I guess I always knew a _little_ about the history of England but just enough to get confused. In the last several years since I've been learning about Britain/England and the Vikings, the more I learn, the more interesting it gets. I remember my mind being blown by the fact that the Welsh are culturally/linguistically/etc distinct from the English. I mean, they're basically the "real" British/Bretons aren't they? And the "English" are the Anglo-Saxon invaders which are basically like early Vikings, right? Which is mind-blowing to me in itself - the Bretons are existing in Britain, then the Anglo-Saxons-Jutes roll up and push them off into Wales/the periphery, then much later, the Vikings do almost the same thing to the Anglo-Saxons and everyone mixes together, and then the French/Norman Viking types do it yet again at Hastings. It's like waves of Germanic and Scandinavians settling England, becoming sedentary and then being conquered by their wilder cousins.. That blows my mind too - that the Anglo-Saxons are basically Vikings - not exactly - but very similar. Weren't the Saxon and Norse languages so close that they were able to communicate? And didn't early/old English kind of form from the two? And why did it take so long for the Norse Vikings to take over England when the Anglo-Saxons had already migrated there? Did they not know about England? Seems like word would have spread up to Scandinavia like, "Hey, we're all crossing this channel over to this island to knock over these farmers and priests and take their gold and women."
When Edward I named his son "Prince of Wales", am I right in thinking that the son was not the heir to the English thrown at the time and that there was an elder brother who later died? Could it be that Edward I was thinking of keeping the two crowns separate?
Yes there was, Alfonso I believe his name was. It is quite possible Edward was trying to have Edward II as a vassal of his elder son and presumed successor before before latters death.
It's my understanding, that Edward I, in a treaty with Llewellyn Up Gruffydd, gave Welsh royalty exvlusive rights to be named "Prince of Wales" in perpetuity. If that's the case, Charles and anyone else claiming to be "Prince of Wales" is technically a usurper.
I feel Ive entered into an alternative universe with pronunciations such as Morgan- wig , dinner-vor and Saysul=thog being hailed in the comments as correctly pronounced welsh names.
For reference, the shortest reigns in history a monarch ever had were the following: 1. Louis XIX Antoine of France: ruled for 20 minutes after his father Charles X had abdicated in the middle of the July Revolution before he abdicated in favor of his nephew Henri, who ruled for 9 days as Henri V. 2. Luis II Filipe of Portugal: ruled for 25 minutes, before which his father Carlos I was killed instantly, after which he died himself of his own wounds sustained during that assassination, after which his brother Manuel II took the throne. 3. Wanyan Chenglin, the last emperor of the Jin dynasty, who was given the throne by his predecessor, Emperor Aizong. He died 2 hours later fighting the Mongols in the capital city. 4. Name unknown, daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Wei: ruled for less than 5 hours, basically her grandmother the empress dowager Hu, passed her off as male in an interim period before she found another royal prince, Yuan Zhao, to puppet.
I was born in Texas, but my mother was born in Newcastle upon (on) Tyne in 1951. She told me about her (my) Welsh roots and that I had many cousins and aunts and uncles. I really must sit down with our relatives and find out what they remember.
Well done for giving pronunciation of Welsh names a decent try! Most are close enough, one I'd like to help advise is Morganwg. This is not morgan-wig but sounds like more-gan-oog. I enjoyed the video!
You have forgotten to mention that Llywelyn the Last was actually married to Eleanore de Montford, king Edward I's first cousin, from Eleanore one of his father's sisters.
Been waiting for this! It would also be great to see the chart of House Talbot one day. They also connect to House Dinefwr and inherit their coat of arms. The Talbot connections especially after John Talbot, the first Earl of Shrewsbury and their history also seems really extensive. I'd like to see how they connect to other families.
You note that the title “Princess of Wales” was not held by Queen Elizabeth II or other female heirs - but is that quite correct? I thought, if only for a brief period, Henry VIII granted the title to his elder daughter, by Catherine of Aragon, Princess Mary - the future Queen Mary I.
She never officially received the title formally, but she was frequently referred to as such, and was sent to the Welsh Marches, like her uncle Prince Arthur of Wales
I understand that Charlotte, daughter of king George IV was Princess of Wales. I think the issue with Elizabeth II was that her father was not the original heir to the throne. Similar to Victoria, she was not the original heir, but neither of their uncles had children, only Charlotte, but she died.
I know this is probably not the answer you’re looking for, but I hope this can at least give some insight. There are a large number of direct descendants of welsh royalty, including myself (Owain the great). Since it was so long ago, it kind of hard to assign the throne to one modern person.
Just recently found out how far back my family stems from Wales, I mean so far back that it get right to the point where the earliest records were done by Roman’s on the Celtic Britain territory. Several members of my direct lineage ruled all of or parts of the Silures. Gruffyd is also a part of my family’s lineage, for example. Crazy how my family went from being Celtic Welsh warriors to being one of the founding families of Virginia (Randolph family of turkey Island and tuckahoe Virginia. Tuckahoe is also the childhood of Thomas Jefferson)
It would have been interesting if you had explored that Isabelle of Mar line, because that one ends up in the House of Stewart. Meaning, by the time James VI and I assumes the throne of England and Scotland, he comes from the two big Welsh houses on the English side and the Scottish side (which means, ironically, that the most prominent descendants of the welsh royalty these days, are, well, the royal family of the United Kingdom itself).
I wish I had taken Welsh seriously in school. Back then tho I was ignorant to the broader subject and it's decline. During secondary school you'd be mocked and picked on for wanting to do well, even moreso during Welsh which further made myself and I imagine many others distance themselves from succeeding. Such a beautiful country with a once broad and beautiful language spoken nationwide. Now Wales is barely an afterthought, it's existence irrelevant within a world where England is synonymous with Britain and the UK as a whole. We once had god's, a deep display of culture and society, we were Celtic in our nature and shared history with Scotland and Ireland to which now we're struggling to keep the language alive. I dream of an independent Wales. A Wales recognised as it's own country part of Europe. But the sad reality is that English assimilation of our country is more likely than ever and a future without Wales is the goal.
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how about Cornish or Manx monarchs?
you credited the Chart in your description as your own (liniking to your website) I thought that you said it was a Fan's though?
Gruffydd~!
@@aguy6771 Nope. The chart shown in the video was made by me.
@@UsefulCharts ah okay i checked the anglo-saxon video and found out what you mean, do we have any indication when you will release it?
Jack, as a Welsh person I must commend your Welsh pronunciation. Only one error. Glyndwr is more like glin not glun. I live seven miles from Cardiff in the former Glamorgan. Welsh counties changed many years ago. I'm very proud to be Welsh but guess what era in history is my favourite? Yes the Tudor era. Thanks so much for this video Both. Alison 🏴🏴🏴
Was coming to the comments to say just this - it is amazing whenever creators put in real effort to learn the correct pronunciations. Especially Owain, which is not Oh-Wane!
And Tudor comes from the Welsh name Tewdwr.
I actually don't really see the problem pronouncing it as "glun". Honestly, if I heard someone pronounce it as "glin" I'd want to correct them.
However, this really isn't a problem for either of us since North and South Walian is pretty different. I'm only a stones throw away from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgorgerychwyndrobwllllantisiliogogogoch (I actually kinda want to say from Bangor, but most people know Llanfair-pg better). The difference really comes from how both of us pronounce the "u". You pronounce it more like an "I", while I would pronounce it more like the "e" in "eww"
Edit: But I can kinda see your point, saying that how he pronounced it is similar to "gun", or in linguistics terms, a schwa, but I hope you learnt something from the North/South divide in our language
@@tecwynjones6532 yes I'm from South Wales but I can say Llanfair PG in its entirety :-)
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I went through a big Welsh phase in high school but never even attempted to make sense of the small states. Thank you for this.
Im from Wales lol wdym by a Welsh phase
@@joshuacarre06 I image someone overly interested in welsh history. Ultimately moving on to broader history
@@joshuacarre06 Trying to learn Welsh and wanting to visit Wales and learn pre-Anglo-Saxon British history.
@@SamAronow Nice lol
As a Welsh person this made me smile, I’ve never heard of or imagined anyone having a ‘welsh phase’ but it’s definitely made my day so thank you :)
Kudos on the pronunciation.. finally a channel who does a 2 sec phonetic check 👏🏻
Surprised he got this one considering he messed up the G when trying to demonstrate how a name was pronounced in French a few months ago. It’s great to see either way, most people don’t even try.
"2 sec"
It's Welsh, it's not that easy.
@@snbeast9545 Yet hardly the hardest
Where does one just find the phonetic pronunciation of Welsh names online?!
As a Welsh person I’ve been waiting ages for this video
Same!
Yr un peth yma!
Same here.
Say something in welsh
Hey fellow Welsh person
Amazing work as always, I never thought I’d see someone on TH-cam who could actually pronounce “ll” correctly!
The early medieval period of Wales is definitely my favourite, I think the sparing information we have is what makes it so fascinating and mysterious.
Very impressed with the Welsh pronunciations in this video. Most narrators from outside Wales really struggle and butcher the names! The only one that was significantly wrong was "Morgannwg", and the only other issue was where the word emphasis was placed - in Welsh, it's almost on the penultimate syllable, so "morgannwg" would be pronounced "mor-GAN-oog".
But other than that, top marks!
… and then he butchered Beaufort. :-D
@@PeterCrighton Not really? I mean, I'd say 'fut' rather than 'fort' but that's not far off.
@@Emmet_Moore Isn’t it akin to Beauchamp? I always assumed that to be the case, but I might well be wrong. In that case I apologise and have no objection.
@@PeterCrighton There's the House of Beaufort, who actually lost their hereditary peerage in the House of Lords after New Labour's reforms and no longer go by that name. They're descended from John of Gaunt (who you might know from Shakespeare's Richard II) and their main seat is at Badminton House in Gloucestershire, which I actually visited once. Beauchamp is just another surname, although it too has heavy ties to the Anglo-French aristocracy.
@@Emmet_Moore I just looked it up where I had my knowledge from. According to historical fiction author Rebecca Gablé, in both Beauchamp and Beaufort the first part is pronounced the same (“be”). Now, although she heavily studied that time period, she is a German author, so she might have gotten it wrong. But that’s why I always thought Beaufort was also pronounced like that.
the welsh pronunciation is fantastic, so refreshing to here our language pronounced properly
It's a good effort but there are errors.
there are a number of poor pronunciations, but not a bad attempt
@@MH-kc8pq If you're putting something out in the public domain, attempting isn't enough. Do your research and get it right.
@@rhobatbrynjones7374 yeah agree - dwi'n cytuno - sometimes it literally feels like we're being trolled :(
The eldest daughter of Llewelyn the Great and her descendants married into Scottish nobility, including the Bruce kings of Scotland, which means every British monarch from James VI and I onwards is a descendant of Llewelyn himself.
That’s why the royal title of duke of Monmouth is set aside for descendants of the tudors and the Stewart’s.
Ha ha ha ha ha !😁😆🤣
The Tudor origin story made me think about JRR Tolkien and his stewards of Gondor. And because Tolkien knew a lot about British history I can't imagine this is a coincidence. Even if his stewards don't become kings by conquest but de facto kings when the royal dynasty ended.
"How many hundreds of years needs it, to make a steward a king if the king returns not?"
- Boromir, The Two Towers (recounted by Faramir)
Tolkien used William Morris’ poems about mythology for writing his books
The scottish stuarts were actually descended from stewarts originally
Tolkien loved Wales and said it's lands are like a fairy tale.
Tolkien was actually deeply interested in Welsh history and culture, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was a (subconscious?) source for the Stewards of Gondor.
Tolkien believed in inherent aesthetics of language, i.e he held the opinion that some languages are more beautiful than others structurally. I remember reading in his letters that he felt Finnish and Welsh were two of the most beautiful languages in the world, and he based much of his Sindarin and Quenya (the Elvish languages) on these two languages.
I would love to learn Welsh at some point, and learn more about the rich culture of Wales. I was obsessed with the Arthurian Romances as a college student and that got me interested in the history of the British Isles. I speak English, Bengali (my native language) and a bit of Spanish, and I enjoy learning languages so it's in my bucket list.
Wales, otherwise known as the home of "that's not how you say that..."
It's important to mention that 'Prince' has a different meaning in the Welsh tradition than in the English tradition.
In Wales a prince is a younger king who is actively involved in their military campaigns, whereas a king is older and is not directly involved in their military campaigns. Whilst kings are expected to be more experienced and wise, neither title is higher than the other.
Such a shame when you've learnt more of Welsh history in a single video than Primary and Secondary school combined
This is what the English do to colonized areas
Unless you live in Wales, why would you?
@@mangot589 I live in Wales, wasn't that blatantly obvious by reading what I said?
I mean there isn't much to learn really
@@cv4809 that's not the whole of it. Celtic history is So much more!
Fair play to you, butt. I clicked on this video expecting to puke out of my ears from the inevitable 17 minutes of mispronunciations, but CLEARLY you did your research. Truly impressive. I’m named after Hywel Dda and you nailed it. Better pronunciation than most of my monoglot compatriots in fact. Diolch i ti! 👏🏼
As a welsh Person I’m incredibly impressed by your pronunciation. Most ppl would have been fooled by the ll dd ff etc
It’s brilliant to finally see someone pay attention to Welsh history - thanks! Could we have a video on who would be the true monarch of Wales today? Thanks!!!
My mother's a Williams from Alabama, a large family are we
I'm Maddoggs great granddaughter like 22 times straight down
The true monarch of wales is very hard to decide as a lot of people (including myself) are direct descendants of the welsh kings (in my case, Owain Gwynned).
Thank you for doing the research into the correct pronunciation of the Welsh names - When you got the DD in Gwynedd right I was like "ok, this might be good", and then when you got the LL in Cadwallon right I was in love! Diolch o galon!
The House of Abberfraw still survives. It is represented in the male line by Evan Anwyl of Tywyn. He lives in Gwynedd, North Wales. He is descended from Rhodri II of Gwynedd. He has a son Dafydd who lives in Manchester, England, and a cousin Peter who also lives in England. I don't know if there are other representatives of the male line still living. The law of succession of the House of Abberfraw dictated that a Prince of Gwynedd should be succeeded by a close male relative with legitimate born claimants having precedence over illegitimate claimants. Women and their sons were excluded from the succession in Gwynedd.
It really is nice to see a vid in which the history of the Welsh and their rulers are taken seriously. Good job with the pronounciation too, much appreciated!
Birthright rulership is immoral. I don’t know why anyone celebrates the history of usurpers and tyrants who used divine right and political marriages to consolidate power through the centuries.
Im a welsh person so im gald you made this video 🏴🏴🏴Cymru am byth 🏴🏴🏴
Really appreciative of the Welsh pronunciation. You've done better than all of the England- and Scotland-based call-centre staff I've had to spell out place names to after my recent house move within Wales.
I have to spell my address many times within Wales too, most Welsh people don’t speak Welsh.
Please do who is the most senior heir to the throne of Britain/UK if we used absolute Primogeniture following on from William the Conqueror.
Wonderful attempt at pronunciation! Some of the best I've heard from non speakers of Welsh. Ty for the video.
house for the video indeed ^^
@@CymruCreator Ha! Yeah as someone who hasn't learned much more in languages since leaving school, that caught me out (despite living near somewhere named Ty Coch).
@@satyr1349 our welsh teacher was terrible, so I don't speak welsh either. I do enjoy languages though.
Great video! I always found the Tudors fascinating, and see them as a type of "poetic justice" - the supplanted Welsh princes eventually ending up on the throne (albeit in a different form). No wonder so many authors draw on the wars of the roses for inspiration!
One of my favourite books is the Welsh Mabinogeon. I read it about 40 years ago and am now looking for a new copy. Such a rich history, loaded with the stories told handed down by memory; a time whe we really used our brains. Thanks! Great stuff!
In the U.S., I live in the borough of North Wales… near the the townships of Upper Gwynedd and Lower Gwynedd, in which a major road is named Welsh Rd. I had heard my area was founded by Welsh farmers, I guess this confirms it.
OK, I'm a HUGE fan of Jack and have only just stumbled upon this channel (yes, I'd heard him mention it, never followed up).
As a welshman can I just say how he did so well with the difficult LL sounds and a fair few others. A few pronunciations a little off, but easily one of the best non-welsh attempts I've heard (looking at you, Blue)
My gateway ancestor opened up the medieval world to me, my 23rd gt grandfather was Rhirid flaidd, I've been very very lucky, I discovered a book written in the 1890s showing that my ancestors knew that they were descended from the Red Wolf of Gest , blaidd rudd
Are these descendants of King Arthur?
Sorry, I was (delightfully) distracted by the awesome pronunciation of those names!!! I love it!
1:21 Cunedda’s grandfather was Romano-British, and was named “Padernus of the scarlet robe” the earliest ancestor that we know of is a bishop named “Tegid”
No mention of the most famous ancient kings of Wales, Caradoc, Arthur I and Arthur II. Sad. It's been a long, LONG effort of the English to muddle the waters of the historical King Arthurs, dismissing entire welsh records outright. It's probably because the Saxons WERE the bad guys after all. Maintaining Arthur's historicity challenges the legitimacy of the Anglo-Saxon conquest of Britain.
THE WELSH ARE THE TRUE BRITONS.
THE END ~
Thanks for giving us Welsh some air time! Awesome stuff as always! 🤘🏻
Awesome look into Welsh history
Not even kidding the Tudur Hen thing made me gasp! That’s so cool!
Henry VII was born in Pembroke castle. It’s like a museum now. Pretty interesting if you ever find yourself there.
@@slinkdroonk4175 and I'm gonna go live and work in the house where his dad, Edmund was born soon
I'm a Goronwy (Goronwy means birthed for the crown, it was more a title than a name back then, which is why Rhys ap Tewdwrs brother and sons name were Goronwy so they knew who was next in line for the crown) all the "tudors" were desendant from this last King of Wales. my family were from Pembrokeshire and Penmynydd. I've traced my family tree (via dna, rb1 blood) to the Tudors and further to the Kings of the North (Urien of Rheged) King Rhys ap Tewdwr was my 31st great grandfather and Hywel Dda my 33rd. I'm a direct desendant of the true Kings of Britian, the house of Dinefwr and one of few who still carries the name and bloodline.
That's amazing!
Just want to point out that the link between the welsh princes and Owen Tudor was a concocted one, there was no familial link, it was a false pedigree made-up by Henry7th to attempt to make the Tudor line look more important.
As a Welsh born and bred, I want to thank you for your pronunciation. I assume you're American or Canadian, so it must have taken a lot of effort to get where you are.
I have to say though, morgan wig had me laughing a lot XD. nevertheless, with a video full of welsh names, it's still very impressive.
There is a mistake in the chart. In minute 14:00~
The brother of Edward IV and Richard III is George, Duke of Clarence, and not Henry VI... :)
I am a direct descendant of Gruffydd Ap Llewellyn, as I discovered recently! So when I saw this video I had to click immediately 😇
That’s so cool! I’m a descendant of Owain the Great :D
Props for pronouncing all those Welsh names. No clue if you're correct but props anyway.
I love this kind of presentations, blows my mind every time.
At 12:05 you say "Wales remains a part of England (now Great Britain) to this day", Wales isn't a part of England and never has been, it's a part of Great Britain which is a part of the UK.
Henry the 8th made it part of England in 1542 when he annexed it
It's interesting that the names from Cunedda to Cadwallon are left out. He mentions the dark ages, but the genealogy has been confirmed from multiple sources that Einion Yrth was the second son of Cunedda and King of Gwynedd after the passing of Cunedda. Einion had two sons Cadwallon Lawhir King of Gwynedd and Owain Ddantgwyn King Of Rhos. I'm a direct descendant of Owain Ddantgwyn where my royal lineage essentially stops because he was murdered by his brother Cadwallon Lawhir's son who took control over his territories.
Fun fact: Rhodri Fawr and Llywelyn Fawr are the only British monarchs to be seen as "The Great" when they lived
As others have commented, my maternal family ancestral line was traced back to the Princes of Powis too; by my Gt. Aunt Myfanwy, Aberystwyth University, in the '70s I think. However, as Greg Davies also discovered he was descended from Royalty - most of us Welsh are!
I am descended from Alfred the Great, Kenneth MacAlpin, and Rhodri Mawr ap Merfyn, King of the Britons. Later, also Owain "Owain the Great" Gwynedd and Stephen of Blois, and
Llewelyn Fawr "Llywelyn the Great" ab Iorwerth, Prince of Gwynedd > Dafydd ap Llewelyn, Prince of North Wales and Gwynedd. Also, Owain Glyndwr ap Gruffudd, Prince of Wales (last native-born Welshman to hold the title Prince of Wales).
Gronwy ap Ednyfed Fychan, Seneschal is also my 21st Paternal GGF (founder of the Tudor family of Penmynydd). The Queen and I share Margaret Tudor, Queen consort of Scots, Lady of Atholl, Baroness of Avanda. She is the link to Henry VII. She is my 12 Paternal GGM.
Video Idea: Who would be King of England if the house of Godwin stayed in power?
3:06 actually, the red welsh dragon is not from Cadwaladr (forgive any mispellings)! This is a several century long misconception. Cambrian Chronicles here on youtube has done a fantastic video digging into the origin of the error (the lost flags video). It wasnt ever Cadwaladr's red dragon. I dont recall the exact details, but essentially a game of extreme telephone over centuries resulted in his name being attributed to the first use of the symbol.
Shout out to the l key on his keyboard. Little trooper.
3:30 man that sucks for Kenneth. Imagine being the contemporary of two kings known as ‘the great’ and you’re just Kenneth The I Guess He’s Ok
Fantastic Video! Especially the proper pronunciations of the Welsh names - most people don't even get close!
Apparently, the Price family goes back to Lord Rhyse ... Price is apparently anglicized Ab Rhyse or Ap Rhyse!!! It's neat to think we may have been related to such historically important people!!
Yeah price family
You can go back another1100 Years on that Tree. At present they are opening the graves of 178 Cymric Kings ( Welsh)
Wow! So honored that my direct Welsh ancestor Ednyfed to get a mention on here!
Hey Matt,i actually found a new matrilinial dynasty. It is the dynasty of Elizabeth the cunman and oh boy it produced a lot of queens and empresses,i think you should check it out too,in just 4 generations it had 12 consorts,i say consorts because I included empresses too.
And btw, it started with Cunedda in North Wales and Caradog (55ad) in South Wales. Their lineages would die out in the late 1090 and 1410s
1:25 - I'll be damned... I always wonder, "Who was the first x?", "Who/what was before that?", etc.. Like I always wonder about the first kings of the various kingdoms in Britain - this list is extremely detailed. I did _not_ know history remembered the names of the _leaders_ of the Anglo-Saxon-Jute invasion of Britain... I thought it was just unorganized bands of Scandinavians/Germanic tribes. So I guess those dudes are kind of, sort of like the first kings (ish)..? I guess I always knew a _little_ about the history of England but just enough to get confused. In the last several years since I've been learning about Britain/England and the Vikings, the more I learn, the more interesting it gets. I remember my mind being blown by the fact that the Welsh are culturally/linguistically/etc distinct from the English.
I mean, they're basically the "real" British/Bretons aren't they? And the "English" are the Anglo-Saxon invaders which are basically like early Vikings, right? Which is mind-blowing to me in itself - the Bretons are existing in Britain, then the Anglo-Saxons-Jutes roll up and push them off into Wales/the periphery, then much later, the Vikings do almost the same thing to the Anglo-Saxons and everyone mixes together, and then the French/Norman Viking types do it yet again at Hastings. It's like waves of Germanic and Scandinavians settling England, becoming sedentary and then being conquered by their wilder cousins..
That blows my mind too - that the Anglo-Saxons are basically Vikings - not exactly - but very similar. Weren't the Saxon and Norse languages so close that they were able to communicate? And didn't early/old English kind of form from the two? And why did it take so long for the Norse Vikings to take over England when the Anglo-Saxons had already migrated there? Did they not know about England? Seems like word would have spread up to Scandinavia like, "Hey, we're all crossing this channel over to this island to knock over these farmers and priests and take their gold and women."
you must be american, right?
When Edward I named his son "Prince of Wales", am I right in thinking that the son was not the heir to the English thrown at the time and that there was an elder brother who later died? Could it be that Edward I was thinking of keeping the two crowns separate?
Yes there was, Alfonso I believe his name was. It is quite possible Edward was trying to have Edward II as a vassal of his elder son and presumed successor before before latters death.
It's my understanding, that Edward I, in a treaty with Llewellyn Up Gruffydd, gave Welsh royalty exvlusive rights to be named "Prince of Wales" in perpetuity. If that's the case, Charles and anyone else claiming to be "Prince of Wales" is technically a usurper.
I feel Ive entered into an alternative universe with pronunciations such as Morgan- wig , dinner-vor and Saysul=thog being hailed in the comments as correctly pronounced welsh names.
absolutely amazing job on the pronounciation! makes me proud
We do not have a holiday on Saint David’s Day. Not that it stops us from celebrating
When I was a boy it used to be a bank holiday!
My brain at 2:25 :
"He only reigned for 9 minutes? Dang. That's got to be a record."
For reference, the shortest reigns in history a monarch ever had were the following:
1. Louis XIX Antoine of France: ruled for 20 minutes after his father Charles X had abdicated in the middle of the July Revolution before he abdicated in favor of his nephew Henri, who ruled for 9 days as Henri V.
2. Luis II Filipe of Portugal: ruled for 25 minutes, before which his father Carlos I was killed instantly, after which he died himself of his own wounds sustained during that assassination, after which his brother Manuel II took the throne.
3. Wanyan Chenglin, the last emperor of the Jin dynasty, who was given the throne by his predecessor, Emperor Aizong. He died 2 hours later fighting the Mongols in the capital city.
4. Name unknown, daughter of Emperor Xiaoming of Wei: ruled for less than 5 hours, basically her grandmother the empress dowager Hu, passed her off as male in an interim period before she found another royal prince, Yuan Zhao, to puppet.
I was born in Texas, but my mother was born in Newcastle upon (on) Tyne in 1951. She told me about her (my) Welsh roots and that I had many cousins and aunts and uncles. I really must sit down with our relatives and find out what they remember.
It would’ve been nicer if you zoomed in on the squares and the name so people could read the text and the spelling of the names better.
Recently found out I am directly related to Llewellyn the great, could not be more proud.
14:10 Why are their 2 Henry VI? This must be a typo!
Right, their brother was George, Duke of Clarence
Yey, Cymru!
Well done for giving pronunciation of Welsh names a decent try! Most are close enough, one I'd like to help advise is Morganwg. This is not morgan-wig but sounds like more-gan-oog. I enjoyed the video!
I believe Deheubarth was not a contemporary term, just one used to describe a non-centralized confederation in modern times
You have forgotten to mention that Llywelyn the Last was actually married to Eleanore de Montford, king Edward I's first cousin, from Eleanore one of his father's sisters.
Llewellyn
Been waiting for this!
It would also be great to see the chart of House Talbot one day. They also connect to House Dinefwr and inherit their coat of arms. The Talbot connections especially after John Talbot, the first Earl of Shrewsbury and their history also seems really extensive. I'd like to see how they connect to other families.
Llongyfarchiadau mawr on your Welsh pronunciation! Some of the consonants can be challenging if you aren't used to them.
Wales represent!!
OMG! I wanted to know about this for such a long time.
You note that the title “Princess of Wales” was not held by Queen Elizabeth II or other female heirs - but is that quite correct? I thought, if only for a brief period, Henry VIII granted the title to his elder daughter, by Catherine of Aragon, Princess Mary - the future Queen Mary I.
She never officially received the title formally, but she was frequently referred to as such, and was sent to the Welsh Marches, like her uncle Prince Arthur of Wales
I understand that Charlotte, daughter of king George IV was Princess of Wales. I think the issue with Elizabeth II was that her father was not the original heir to the throne. Similar to Victoria, she was not the original heir, but neither of their uncles had children, only Charlotte, but she died.
@@missgiroud97Charlotte also was never known Princess of Wales she was known as Princess Charlotte of Wales (like Prince William daughter Charlotte)
Wales - It's all about the long game.
Could you do a video of who would be king of wales today? Not from the English titles but the actual welsh royals in this video
Excellent job with the Welsh pronunciations! Would be great to see a ‘Who would be King of Wales today’ video 🏴😄
I know this is probably not the answer you’re looking for, but I hope this can at least give some insight.
There are a large number of direct descendants of welsh royalty, including myself (Owain the great). Since it was so long ago, it kind of hard to assign the throne to one modern person.
The "edda" paet of Cunedda, when pronounced in Welsh, sounds like Arthur, as in King Arthur.
Congratulations on your pronunciations! Excellent job.
boy this guy sure can pronounce the welsh very well. i butcher it very well . some of these folks are in my tree
Listening to this felt like listening to a fantasy lore video about an ip you know nothing about.
I have a great grandparent that’s still alive so that helped, I could just ask him what his parents names were and boom, even more ancestors.
I have a last name of EVANS in my mothers family tree circa 1850. I am stuck on where they came from other than a US Census entry of born in Wales.
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Awesome! And excellent chart, I love it! It filled in bits I didn't know, & it'll be a great reference :)
Such a great chart!
Good job on the lateral fricatives!
I'm going to need Cambian Chronicles to fact check this 🧐
Just recently found out how far back my family stems from Wales, I mean so far back that it get right to the point where the earliest records were done by Roman’s on the Celtic Britain territory. Several members of my direct lineage ruled all of or parts of the Silures. Gruffyd is also a part of my family’s lineage, for example.
Crazy how my family went from being Celtic Welsh warriors to being one of the founding families of Virginia (Randolph family of turkey Island and tuckahoe Virginia. Tuckahoe is also the childhood of Thomas Jefferson)
the welsh are the descendants of the Britonic people that weren't subjected by the Anglo-Saxons
I didn't know that Wales was connected to the Tudor family. I should've known that, but I did not.
That's really, really neat.
Just another thing that was stolen from the welsh. The correct spelling is Tewdwr
It would have been interesting if you had explored that Isabelle of Mar line, because that one ends up in the House of Stewart. Meaning, by the time James VI and I assumes the throne of England and Scotland, he comes from the two big Welsh houses on the English side and the Scottish side (which means, ironically, that the most prominent descendants of the welsh royalty these days, are, well, the royal family of the United Kingdom itself).
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We will break away from the UK soon!
Fascinating!
This is cool. My Davis line is from the turders, the first tudor hen
Richard III's reign at the end of the chart is incorrect, he was king from 1483 to 1485
Nice good catch bud
I wish I had taken Welsh seriously in school. Back then tho I was ignorant to the broader subject and it's decline.
During secondary school you'd be mocked and picked on for wanting to do well, even moreso during Welsh which further made myself and I imagine many others distance themselves from succeeding.
Such a beautiful country with a once broad and beautiful language spoken nationwide. Now Wales is barely an afterthought, it's existence irrelevant within a world where England is synonymous with Britain and the UK as a whole. We once had god's, a deep display of culture and society, we were Celtic in our nature and shared history with Scotland and Ireland to which now we're struggling to keep the language alive.
I dream of an independent Wales. A Wales recognised as it's own country part of Europe. But the sad reality is that English assimilation of our country is more likely than ever and a future without Wales is the goal.
All the more reason to join others in our quest for a written constitution by the people for the people of Wales and demand it in a federal UK
@@waynesimpson5607 where can I learn more?
The English lost to the Normans in one decisive battle at Hastings in 1066.
The Welsh held out for over 200years against the Normans.