Europe's Hidden Matrilineal Dynasty | House of Garsenda
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Matrilineal Dynasties Part 1 (House of Garsenda):
• Europe's Hidden Matril...
Matrilineal Dynasties Part 2 (Houses of Eleanor and Euphrosyne):
• Matrilineal Dynasties ...
Matrilineal Dynasties Part 3 (Who Would Be Head of the House of Garsenda?):
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you left out Paul I son of Catherine the Great and Edward VII
Watch Barbara von Cilli, the hungarian article :D
man you dont understand what u found there. they call it the holy grail
Any reason why the Garsenda pdf isn’t working?
Thank you
Queen Victoria: "I am the Grandmother of Europe"!
Countess Garsenda: "Hold my ovaries"!
Too funny War Daddy 😂😂😂
*queen Elizabeth II 1500 years from now and still alive: hold my corgi
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Charlemagne:*Laugh in Franks*
😝
You don't always know who a kid's father is but its usually obvious who their mother is, kudos
Exactly.
matrilineal dynasties make slightly more sense than patrilineal ones
@@JakubSother than the fact that children come from women why else would a matrilineal descent make more sense
@@nafismubashir2479 I think what they meant was. A woman you know for sure had the baby so it belongs to her, but with a man you can't 100% know for sure (especially back then)
@@nafismubashir2479 It would be so much easier to graph a matrilineal dynasty, as well as having one in the real world. There is no way to hide illegitimate children, as the woman gets pregnant. Therefore, every single child of a matrilineal monarch is known and there are no uncertainties about people who claim they are an untold about child of the monarch.
Fascinating. This is why Prince Phillip’s DNA was used to identify the remains of the Romanov’s years ago, because of the matrilineal line.
Yes, but that one wasn't a secret : just look up for a picture of George V of the United Kingdom with Tsar Nicolas II of Russia. They look like twins
The researchers used the Duke of Kent’s DNA too, he’s first cousin to the Queen and looks very much like George V
They could've used when Elizabeth as well. She is a descendant of Victoria. Queen Victoria had granddaughter who became empress alexadravina, wife of czar Nicholas II.
The aunt or great aunt of Prince Phillip was the wife of Czar Nicholas ?????????? How confusing this history is.
@@scottmorris3045 mitochondrial dna was used to positively identify the female romanov victims. this requires an all female line, except for the most recent relation. phil is related to vicky through an all female line, whereas liz is not. nicky was dna matched separately.
This chart doesn’t even touch the fact that the original Garsenda’s grandchildren through her son became the Queens of France, England, Germany, and Sicily. That’s one powerful family line.
This chart is only showing female to female lines. Not female to male to female
because they are sons. This is a matrilineal chart. The males don't count because the bloodline comes through the mothers side.
@@waterbird91 but he's saying it because not only is a highly powerful matrilineal dynasty, but that woman also had so many powerful descendants through her son. Such a powerful woman and so much karmic weight
@@victoriadealba5558 but you have to remember that the frather you go, the more families get intertwined, eventually there’s several people who are the ancestors of everyone, and thus you can argue they are “the ancestor of all kings and queens”
@@victoriadealba5558 That applies to a bunch of patrilineal houses too though...
I make family trees for Wikipedia. Finally I realise why there are so many instances where two spouses are related, but one is entirely through the female line. Thanks so much!
Wow I always see them can you paste the link in the replys
do you do some from alabama?
As someone of Mormon pioneer ancestry I have polygamous relationships in my genealogy
reeglyson escabal lol you mean bowl of spaghetti
Be careful, Wikipedia is the one peddling the idea Garsenda is the ancestor to this matriline. She isn't.
The father of Juana Nunez de Lara (Juan Núñez I de Lara) married two different women named Teresa. The one descended from Garsenda was NOT the mother of Juana Nunez.
WW1 should be renamed to the house of Garsenda, family dispute.
It's basically the family squabble of the kids of Vic of UK.
Serpent seed spat? or Human populous regulation?
@@AndreiAndrei-pg8eg I guess Matt discover earlier that their MATRILENIAL branch died, he said males are ending line
Forcalquier Family Feud, perhaps?
Huh
Nobody:
UsefulCharts: "So you're about to see a lot of incest"
So did Adam and Eve see as well:)
@@awwpaw4797
They Were klones
@@gwb9044 ok but the next ones...?
Study Mauro Biglino or the Enuma Elisch
After about the fifth..."and she married her uncle..." I was thinking, 'Well, we -were- warned."
I can remember being a middle schooler in Oklahoma, and my very conservative social studies teacher was teaching us about cultures who used a matrilineal line to track family's history.
The reason this stuck out to me so much is he pointed out that for all except the most recent decades of human existence you would always know which woman have birth to a child, but everyone had to take the mothers word on the child's father. Making the matrilineal method the most logical way of tracing a family line.
Tis'a wise child that knows his father.
Mama's babies, daddy's maybes.
Quite.
Yeah, I have question why they did it with fathers instead of mothers but make sense because is the father that was allow to hold a tittle, go to war, go to job and have money.
you have a conservative socials teacher? I don't know the situation in other places but from where I live all the high schools/middle schools have the most liberal socials teachers ever, so much so that they are oppressive and forbid anything other than their ideologies, similar to how the axis countries or soviet russia did it...
in fact we're forbidden to read Animal Farm, which used to be mandatory to read in the curriculum
they are no better than dictatorships like china and russia......
The royal families of Europe already felt like a twisted web, and now with this hidden dynasty brought into the light, it's even more apparent. Thank you for this surprising and delightful video!
Royal inbreeding intensifies.
@UsefulCharts would be great if we could get a video tracking the genealogical hairloss of monarchs.
@Terry L. Cooper Hiya, Cousin!
Same, descendant of the Scottish royal family here.
I know I'm directly descendant of the Castle "repair men" if you would, but also related to the earlier monarchs.
At the point I reach Robert De Bruce I just give up, cause THEY"RE ALL NAMED ROBERT DE BRUCE WITHOUT NUMBERS!!!
Their Family Tree is a Cyrcle.
Why did he stop at Garsende? I could easily find more women before her, I managed to find her great grand mother with just a 5 minutes google search.
Saura Trencavel seems to be the real oigin of this dynasty , she had 3 daughters: Adélaïde of Béziers, Beatrice of Béziers, Cécile de Béziers
and these grandaughters: Constance of Toulouse, Cecile de Forcalquier, Garsende de Forcalquier, Beatrice de Forcalquier
and these great grandaughters :Beatrice of Viennois , Garsenda Countess of Forcalquier,
so here are many many more female lineages that could be investigated, just by going up a few more generations.
It seems like matrilineal houses may have an advantage in spreading across many realms. Daughters were usually married off and left the realm while sons usually inherited within the realm. Patrilineal lines seem to spread every once in a while due to conquest or external inheritance, but matrilineal lines spread every generation with daughters who marry.
I was wondering if there might be a reason other than chance for the success of the House of Garsenda.
I also wonder how many times a king actually has ONLY sons. I've seen cases where they only have daughters or dont have kids at all. If it's really rare to have sons only it would make more sense to record in a matrilineal way
That's been noticed with just general human migration as well.
Men actually ended up staying closer to where they were born as they remained members of their tribe/village even as adults, whereas women were married off.
This led to less differentiation in mtDNA (the only DNA passed from mothers to children) as opposed to the Y-chromosome (the only DNA passed from fathers to sons)
@@Crick1952 This is true in the general run of things; females move but usually locally (to the next family or the next village. Males may stick close also in general, but they are also the ones who, though relatively rare, have very high mobility - military, trading, exploring, the outdoorsy types who travel very far, and the lesser sons who have to travel, because staying close to their roots could prove dangerous, in the higher ranks, or simply because of thwarted ambition.
An interesting way to think of things.
Renenlilje I think that they tend to try for at least an heir and a spare with sons has produced a lot of daughters
I keep coming back to this video every once in a while because I hear the line, "and luckily she had a daughter" and it feels like something I'd been missing for a very long time. It's such a breath of fresh air in an area of history that's so often such a sausage fest. I'd love to hear either more about the House of Garcenda, or other matrilineal lines you find.
Did you see the other two videos linked in the description?
@@UsefulCharts I haven't! Thank you for this lovely information!
You having red hair you may have Rh- blood that is a marker for these descendants
@@jasonjasonson1517 I dye my hair. Also, that sounds absurd.
Sausage fest giggle giggle
I hope this gets properly recognized by historians and various royal families
Thing is, as the own members of Garsenda’s house didn’t recognize it, it would be like making it up, even if it makes sense.
This is something properly recognized by historians since decades ago, the problem is that it wasn’t centuries ago so we don’t really know the background of many queen consorts or queen regents
For what we know is even possible that this house is part of an even bigger one, but there’s no information about it because people didn’t record it
Royal families will probably never recognize it because of legitimacy struggles
@@Leo-ok3uj not only legitimacy, but you gotta know some of them know more than we do and they're playing dumb. Maybe the more than we do that they know is wrong, maybe we are wrong too, but for sure there's reasons other than difficulty proving it that royal families don't want to state origins.
Ah the Habsburgs when your family tree becomes a circle.
Lace
and your jaw becomes a triangle
And then suddenly you get a very healthy child!
You should check out the game crusader kings 3. Where Your wife is also your sister, mother and aunt, and your kids get totally screwed up all while trying to become the holy roman emperor
Adam and Eve had a circle in a Paradise :)
This looks less like a family tree and more like my earphones when they're in my pocket
😂
Lol
Thats funny!
Horrifyingly, this shows how bad intermarrying is...
"Yeah, I married my uncle."
"I married my cousin."
"I married my dead sister's husband."
Still not as bad as what they did in Ancient Egypt until Cleopatra.
Rambleon31 there was no incest in ancient Egypt, they used cloning technology to continue their line, similar to the British monarchy today
@@PtolemyXVII ... well... yeeeees of course, the pyramid builders were the ancestors of freemasons and illuminatis after all
@@Rambleon31 it’s why geneticists can’t figure out who is who in ancient Egyptian tombs 😂 everyone is everyone’s mother father sister brother son daughter except when 1) Berenice II from Cyrene (Libya) was introduced to their line and 2) Julius Caesar and mark Antony at the end of their line when the ancient Egyptian line became progenitors of European royalty
@@PtolemyXVII lol, yeah, all that ancient Egyptian "cloning technology." Totally sounds legit.
Historians should really investigate this more. I find it really hard to believe that just because this is a matrilineal dynasty there weren't strong familial ties that could really change our perspective on certain historical context. Kinda mind blown, Love the video!
Given queens often became regents for young sons, this dynasty has likely had more impact than we realise. Although that’s why they married girls off so young, to limit their loyalty to their homelands. By the time most queens became queens, consort or regent, they’d often been living in their marital nation for longer than they ever lived in their birth nation
I've went from a guy who hated history lessons, to a guy with respect for history but no care for it, to a guy who's like *I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS VID THAT TELLS ME ABOUT THIS MYSTERY LINEAGE!*
Thanks useful charts!
Shane Ashby damn you’re making this sound like a religion
History is great!
God bless you.
History just needs to be put in the right way to people.
to further your history addiction: go listen to Sabaton and research the sotries behind the songs. should keep you busy for about a year or 2 :)
I'm seeing certain comments how this isn't considered a dynasty because they are 'traditionally' based on the male lines. And that's understandable. But Matt stated that in his previous video we must look at the definition of a dynasty in a different light. This video is just that. An insightful perspective and a brand new view into a history we were not able to see; a dynasty that somehow supersedes the dynasties we know. I didn't believe that there could be such a dynasty to challenge such behemoths of European royalty, but this was just worth the wait! This is mostly speculation for fun at least and fundamentally possible at best, but is amazing to think about: a matrilineal dynasty that challenges the dynasty founded by the Habsburgs. And he is definitely right: this is in the most technical sense, a dynasty. Based on genealogy and familial lines alone, this is a dynasty in that sense. Just... wow.
I salute Matt for talking about the House of Garsenda and opening up a book in history only few have brought to light. You. Are. Amazing.
I wanted to heart this comment twice.
@@UsefulCharts Thank you so much and thank you for doing speculation videos like these! You are such an amazing person by making history fun, shocking, and insightful!
@@UsefulCharts you get that opportunity because they edited the comment lol
I'd just like to add the not-so-hidden benefit of tracking families matrilineally - you can be far more certain of the parentage than with patrilineal tracking
@@heberthr.6978 read my earlier comment for full context
I love how he always throws in "the Sun King" after Louis IV
That's weird since the Sun King was Louis XIV.
(Just kidding though xD like your comment)
This is an interesting video as it potentially elucidates one of history's great mysteries, the origins of the hemophilia gene mutation that Queen Victoria transmitted to her descendants. Hemophilia is transmitted by females, through the X chromosome, but it almost always only affects males. Queen Victoria's son Leopold was a hemophiliac. Some of her daughters and granddaughters also transmitted it to their sons. Both the Prussian and Russian royal houses were impacted by this. (As a female line descendant of Queen Victoria, the Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip, could have been susceptible to hemophilia). Robert K. Massie, the historian, says that hemophilia was long known as the Habsburg illness in his book, Nicholas and Alexandra. He, however, was not able to trace it to a Habsburg female carrier. This video suggests that Queen Victoria's hemophilia gene may, indeed, have come from the Habsburg family. Victoria may have inherited her gene mutation from a female Habsburg ancestor.
But Garsenda house is dead now, cus of the morganethic engagements and marriages nowadays. Ex: Sophia of Spain is the Last Royal Blood Queen of that kingdom. Other ex: Victoria of Sweden, William of UK and others.
@@TakittyLove but Sophia has granddaughters through both of her daughters. It's not quite dead yet, lol.
But they didn't seem to inherit the 'Hapsburg chin'.
From incest and inbreeding
I think it's considered unlikely, I believe the most likely explanation is that since Victoria's father was rather old when she was born, his sperm may have picked up more mutations? Although I don't think I read thay anywhere exactly.
Whooaaa this was a surprisingly satisfying plot twist
“What a twist!” I dunno, around these parts, we call it incest.
Geez incels, chill... Some people do have an open mind and want to look at things from different perspectives
Indra Katik Incels?
@hi there ok now it sounded like i was randomly being rude without context bcause the guy i told to be chill to deleted his long text-wall comment
The reason it lasted so long was that it wasn't recognized therefore was never challenged.
For anyone else interested in matrilineal dynasties, here are some other impressive mitochondria that I found: Garsenda of Sabran (1180-1257), she was the subject of the video so I’ll skip her. Euphrosyne Doukaina Kamatera (1155-1211), the matrilineal ancestress of by my count, 43 separate King/Queen/Emperor/Empress regnant and 34 separate kingdoms/empires (35 if you add Luxembourg, one of the domains of William II of the Netherlands). In fact, she’s the ancestress of 6 separate Danish monarchs. She herself was also the Byzantine Empress consort of Alexios III Angelos. Then there’s Waldrada of Lotharingia (855-870?), who we know pretty much nothing about except that all her kids were illegitimate and she came from an unremarkable background. Thirty-three rulers regnant with 7 separate French monarchs, including the progenitor of the Capet dynasty, Hugh Capet, were her direct matrilineal descendants. They were the rulers of 15 separate kingdoms/empires. Lastly, there is also Bertha of Milan (997 -1040) and Catherine of Pfannberg (1322-1375). For Bertha, there is 25 rulers and 21 kingdoms, while with Catherine, it is 20 rulers (plus William IV of Luxembourg, but Luxembourg is a Grand Duchy and still a current country) and 16 separate kingdoms (17 if Luxembourg is included). I’m an amateur genealogist, so I might have missed some things, but I hope somebody found this interesting.
Very interesting.
Cimburga of Masovia is also another one
Thanks for this addition work so who did these people come from what made the royal or in power and whom was their ancestors before that like Waldrada of Lotharingia who was she how in that position unremarkable backround? how could that be ?
can i be ur fren
Matrilineages are crucial because they are the only verifiable genetics without tests. Back then you could never be completely certain who the father was but the mother was indisputable (with eye witnesses although there are rumors occasionally of transposed children especially when a child died at birth). This is why Egypt and some other countries determined who ruled a country through the mother.
Yes! Thank you! Even in the Jewish culture ( From what I understand), you are considered Jewish if your Mother was Jewish..not dad.
@@lissyperez4299 Correct, "The mother is a fact, the father an opinion".
Need to add:
- Edward VII (King of UK)
- Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg (Queen-Consort of Spain)
- Paul I (Emperor of Russia)
- Władysław IV Vasa (King of Poland + Tsar of Russia)
Wouldn't Paul I of Russia count, since Catherine the Great was his mother?
Yes you got me. Interestingly the current fashion for marrying commoners is putting paid to it. Fascinating. Well done, you're putting your House on the genealogical map!
Princess Irene of Greece and Denmark the sister of Helene Queen Mother of Romania was married Queen Consort of the Independent State of Croatia by her marriage to HM Tomislav II The King of Croatia, Duke of Aosta (Prince Aimone of Savoy Aosta) So can HRH can be added to the chart ? Just a thought really love your Videos midblowing astonishing explanation and facts
but who 'd be the members of the surviving branches of the House of Garsenda today?
ok bud
Garsenda: Charlamagne who? 💅
We don’t know her
Actually, Garsenda is herself a descendant of Charlemagne.
Charlemagne
Louis I the Pious
Lothair I
Ermengarde
Reginar Longneck
Gilbert of Lorraine
Alderade of Lorraine
Ermentrude of Roucy
Gerberge of Burgundy
Fulk Bertrand of Provence
William Bertrand of Provence
Adelaide of Provence
William III of Forcalquier
Bertrand I of Forcalquier
William IV of Forcalquier
Garsenda of Forcalquier
Garsenda of Sabran
@@libiusperseus Charlemagne be like oh I made the population of Europe
Habsburg: Garsenda who?
haha
Nobody:
The Habsburgs: yeah I’ll just marry my uncle, what could possibly go wrong
in dog breeding, if you take a daughter and pair it with a father, you have no issues, taking a daughter and pairing it with a male from the same litter as her father would also produce viable offspring with healthy genetics. sibling sibling pairings are bad; but mother/son + father/daughter combinations always produce viable offspring. This also works with humans btw.
@@gottaproxy8826 Sweet Home Alabama
“Follow the wives.”
My thoughts exactly!
Careful, the secret society of the bene garsenda won't appreciate you exposing their closely guarded secret.
Dam Brown's new "novel" is ruined!
May your sewing needle chip and shatter.
AFTER 800 YEARS WE STILL DIDNT GET THE KWISATZ HADERACH
We've all had it wrong. The New World Order is actually the secret society of the bene garsenda and they are trying to establish a matriarchy. Most if not all kingdoms with male heirs are out of the picture so they are planning on taking over the world through feminism.
"The spice must flow"
This is amazing. All those Regents and influential people had the SAME mythochondrial DNA. Amazing.
The same paternal haplogroup too, charlemagne’s R1b-U106
@@MRYIMEN not all males are descended from Charlemagne in a straight male line. In fact, I believe his line died out. In other lines, however, we're all his descendants :)
My mythochondrial DNA is H. And Family Tree DNA told me that Queen Victoria of England had the same matrilinear than me. But my family is decendant of severals King and Queens of Iberian Peninsula about year 1400.
@@abimaelalbuquerque100 by year 1400 most europeans can link their trees to iberian Kings and Queens. Your mother all female line has a close common ancestor with Queen Victoria :)
@@andresjuarez2113 I'm descendant of an illegitimate lineage of King Dom Dinis of Portugal through his son Dom Afonso Sanches and also I'm descendant of Sancho IV of Castille and Leon, but through illegitimate lineage his daughter Teresa Sanches. However I have several others lineages the link with others monarchs of Iberian Peninsula. I had a surprise about my mother mythochondrial DNA because I didn't know any recent noble woman in her family tree. Thank you.
this is honestly really cool.Its like in that one video where they ask you to observer how many people in white shirts pass a ball but most people often miss the random gorilla that shows up for a fairly long time.Its pretty cool that you discovered something that was so obvious yet so hidden!!
This is amazing. I’m blown away!! Thank you 🙏 and thank you for the chart!! 😃
the great thing about matrilineal lines is that it is hard to pass of a bastard as part of it, since you can't easily deny which woman gave birth to a child.
You'd be surprised what they could pull off back in the day, with how little men understood about women's bodies... there was one woman who had people convinced she'd given birth to live rabbits.
@@Palitato or the woman that supposedly gave birth at 79
Tribal societies without Abrahamic religious influences more often than not acknowledge heredity through matrilineal genealogy, rather than patrilineal genealogy.
@@LucarioBoricua I know at least some Norse cultures talked about matrilineal genealogy, because someone can have multiple possible father’s, but you can only have 1 mother.
Except Heimdall.
He has 9.
Don’t ask.
The fact that this unbroken line of mtDNA has dominated Europe for almost a thousand years is so fascinating (remember the males of the house have the same mtDNA)
Edit: All the royal inbreeding becomes very pronounced when you look at matrilineal lines 😅
Do you know if any of these people have been tested for mtDNA? Supposedly if one has been tested we would know the exact mtDNA of House Garsenda
Yup, it's H. Which is the most common maternal haplogroup in Western Europe, so not really surprising.
@@UsefulCharts which H? There are multiple subclades for that haplogroup
@@claudiodidomenico H (16111T, 16357C, 263G, 315.1C)
makes me wonder how often Garsenda's mtDNA has mixed with certain Y-chromosomes. I'm sure it mixed with a couple quite often
The little pictures, the animations to follow the lines and the transparent ranking assessment considering duration and number of reigns (and leaving it also for discussion). Also a modern view to look at it from a matrilineal point. Liked it!
I've always wondered about this so it is very interesting to see it organized visually. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
I can add a couple of generations to that!!!
- The mother of Garsenda of Forcalquier was also called Garsenda of Forcalquier, and was married to Renyer of Sabran.
- Her mother was Adelaide of Beziers, married to William IV of Forcalquier.
- Her mother was Adelaide, married to Raymond I Trencavel of Beziers.
Was this the Raymond Trencavel associated with the Albigensian Crusade in the early 1200's?
So it's technically the House of Adelaide?
@@vineshpendurthi313 Who knew all these people were Aussies... :-D
@@MikeGill87 Lmao, that's what I was thinking too!
Can you take that back to Charlemagne?
I find matrilineal lines so interesting. All children carry their mother's maternal haplogroup, so genetically speaking it should be easier to trace this line. Unfortunately most records don't mention mother's maiden names, or her name to begin with. So from a genealogy perspective, it can be darn hard to trace your mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's....
Case in point: this lineage does not go back to Garsenda. The father of Juana Nunez de Lara (Juan Núñez I de Lara) married two different women named Teresa. The one descended from Garsenda was NOT the mother of Juana Nunez.
Somewhere someone must have confused the two on Wikipedia.
thats why King Richard III was found and his real bones
Thank you for making this video and chart! I love this. I am obsessed with tracing matrilineal line in my own family, so this is very interesting to me. It adds a whole new layer to the interconnectedness of the royal families, for the better, and for the worse, in some cases, i.e. the dreaded I word.
I personally find matrilineal lines to be far more interesting just because you can be nearly certain of their accuracy. It would be exceedingly difficult to sneak a baby in the birthing chamber or make some type of swap to have a different mother, (and would probably be a different father as well) whereas it’s as easy as pulling up your dress to have a different father.
Charlotte Issyvoo's Sublime Mercies I believe you are correct.
That's true, but when you test genetically you can only follow patrilineal lines through the y-chromosome. A distant maternal ancestor of a woman may not share any connection to her genetically.
Ardunafeth I guess you’ve never heard of mitochondrial DNA, it passes through females lines, boys have it too but it comes from their mothers
Exactly. We are almost sure that that male lines are always broken at some point due to adultery. So genealogy is really tracking who was CONSIDERED to be the father of certain X, not necessarily the biological father.
@@CharlotteIssyvoo When you're a people on the run and maybe even conquered, having the female be the one to keep the line going is smart. While Islam in the same region had the father but Islam was and still is the dominant religion, it makes more sense to have the father.
Another interesting fact is that Garsenda’s grandson, Raymond-Berenger V, count of Provence, had 4 daughters who all became queens consort: (1) Marguerite, Queen of France (wife of Saint Louis and ancestor to all Bourbons), (2) Eleanor, Queen of England (wife of Henry III Plantagenet), (3) Sanchia, Holy Roman Empress (wife of Richard Plantagenet, count of Cornwall and elected Holy Roman Emperor), and (4) Beatrice, Queen of Naples, Sicily, Albania and Jerusalem (heiress of the counties of Provence and Forcalquier and wife of Charles I of Anjou, king of all these kingdoms).
That sounds like it could add some potential pathways onto the chart
@@BouncingTribbles well, no because ist is not matrilinear, which is kind of the whole point of a matrilinear dynasty
@@jarren7189 lol, duh. Oops :)
He was Garsenda's son, not grandson.
@@lorirode-off763 how much you want to bet it does?
Oh my word. This is EXCELLENT. Fantastic work putting all this together, and I am fascinated by it. I would love to know more.
Wow, it's fascinating! Thank you so much for this video!
This brings a whole new meaning to the saying "the power behind the throne". Fascinating!
well, it does not matter since the power behind every couple is always the woman
You should include Prince Phillip and King Felipe's sisters as the current modern members of the House of Garsenda, since otherwise this chart makes it look like the house will die out in the female line.
There is no "House of Garsenda." The father of Juana Nunez de Lara (Juan Núñez I de Lara) married two different women named Teresa. The one descended from Garsenda was NOT the mother of Juana Nunez.
Jakob Crotty House of Núñez then 😂
@@jakobcrotty8907 Wikipedia has Juana Nunez de Lara as daughter of Juan Nunez I de Lara and his second wife Teresa Diaz de Haro, daughter of Constanza de Bearne, whose mother was Garsenda de Provenza, whose mother was Garsenda de Folcarquier, exactly as shown on the tree in this video
@@vickyc2573 Wikipedia is only really accurate regarding well-known/famous subjects & topics.
The genealogy of obscure Medieval noblemen is not something that often gets checked by subsequent editors (assuming later contributors even arrive, which often they don't).
@@jakobcrotty8907 Well sure, but in the beginning of this very video he says "a simple fact of genealogy that can be easily verified by anyone with access to basic sources such as Wikipedia", so he got his information from there at least. Do you have any better sources for this information?
I appreciate the research and time that went into this.
Awesome video, I shared this on my Facebook page for Mother's Day. Researching your own maternal family tree can just be interesting as your paternal side
Honestly, not surprised that something like this can be traced. The sons generally stay in one place while the daughters get sent all over because they usually don't inherit land.
What matters is how the dynasty is passed on. If a house is really matrilineal then whatever heirs it produces are always the same dynasty. For example the countess has a son and a daughter, the son marries some woman and his children are this dynasty, but the daughter marries a man but their children carry the mother's name (instead of the father's as is common), then it's easy to track the dynasty because it always produces heirs of the same house no matter who's marrying who, but in reality this never really happened for long periods, or was very common actually. The reason we don't hear of this dynasty is because it became concealed, because at some point the heirs took on the fathers' names only, when they were of another house, and that's how you lose track of a dynasty. For all we know some of these people could be related to roman emperors on the mother's side, because it's usually not tracked like with the fathers.
Not exactly, only if you are following the male first borns, younger sons often are all over the place as well, joining wars or immigrating, but daughters are more likely to marry up into important families. So a Duke's daughter has a chance on becoming a Queen if they have the right connections, a Duke's first son is another Duke but a Duke's younger son will probably have to venture out to find new opportunities as he won't be inheriting neither land nor title.
Mitochondria is the key
Immanuel~God with us
Imagine being the parish priest who goes to sleep with an insignificant countess buried in his church and wakes up with one of the most important people in European history in his church.
I'd rather not imagine priests sleeping with dead countesses, thank you very much. 💀💋
He went to sleep in a failing parish and woke up in a tourist attraction.
Whaaat. But sleep how? You mean getting cozy in the church? Why a priest?
@@TheeGrumpy no he’s going to sleep normally but the countess is buried in the same church
...The truest royal (actually imperial) house of Europe, since no one really knows (and likely doesn't know) who any of the fathers reall were.
An astounding amount of work has gone into this video. The amount of research must have been of the charts (pun totally intended). Thank you for all the hard work Matt. It is very appreciated, at least on my side.
You could totally write a bestseller History book on this house. It is exactly what sells in pop history these days: fascinating, subversive, different, and "progressive" (for lack of a better word). If you don't write this book, I feel like someone else will :P
Well now I feel like I HAVE to instead of just WANTING to.
Hell, u could write a book per queen and be busy for many years😂🤣😂
@@nerdyninjatemptress hey you took my plan
"Who married his/her cousin/uncle" -UsefulCharts when talking about the Habsburgs
CSI Habsburg
European monarchy in general
This is absolutely fascinating. Well done!!!
Brilliant presentation. Obviously took a great deal of research, consideration and hard work.
Extremely interesting. My history teacher in South Africa, was fascinated by Royal houses of Europe and whenever we did not do homework someone would ask a question about Royalty and there would be an explanation that took over the whole lesson time. I thoroughly enjoyed this Matrilineal Dynasty explanation and look forward to reading more of your work.
It's interesting because of course I vaguely knew lots of this--especially the Queen Victoria part, and how we can look at WWI as a squabble between cousins--but I love your idea of tracing purely matrilineally! The Hapsburg incest making them all related both matrilinearly and patrilinearly is really just icing on the cake, lol.
Amazingly interesting, didn't hear a word about this at school. Thank you for the video.
Great addition to heraldry and the understanding of royal houses. I’ll be sending this link to a number of colleagues are heraldic artists and historians to get their reaction. Thank you.
This makes me wonder how many more of these “matrilineal dynasties exist”
He said in a comment he's found 2 or 3 more, but they're way smaller.
If I remember correctly somewhere in Africa(around the current country of Chad?) there are tribes ruled by matriarchs, so you might find matrilineal dynasties around that area.
The size of this one is mostly due to Austrias very successful marriage policy. So others should be smaller.
i may have found one starting with Euphrosyne Doukaina Kamatera, who lived in the late 12th century
@@conepictures actually it's more that it was always rare for men to marry into the woman's family, which is what a truly matrilineal dynasty is. In a true matrilineal dynasty, the children would always inherit the name of the house, it's not just about a direct descendant of the female gender assuming head of the house, but that children of that dynasty would always be of that dynasty regardless of of the predecessor's gender.
I wonder if you can do a family tree on Diana’s family/order
Yes
I wish to
She's descended from the illegitimate children of the Stuarts, whose legitimate heirs are the rightful British monarchs.
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I heard from an economist, the late Joan Veon that Diana is a Rothschild from her maternal side. The marriage for the first time merged the political and economical power of the world and now gives birth to the first progeny of both worlds.
So much complicated relationships. Impressive you presented it all that well. Looking at matrilinial lines is a very interresting concept. I loved the video.
First of all, thank you so much for this amazing video! You could add Paul I. of Russia to the list of the reigning monarchs of the House, since he was the son of Catherine the Great. Additionally, you could also have a look at the matrilineal descendants of countess 'Anna of Schaunberg'. Maybe that would reveal another huge matrilineal dynasty (Schaunberg dynasty).
Loved this! An excellent lesson in how always viewing history through a single cultural lens can blind you to some really huge and fascinating truths.
House Capet: I can control far away lands 🥱
House Garsenda: I can produce heirs for you 😏
In researching my own ancestry, I focus on the women, which is difficult due to the loss of last names, not having the rights as men in transactions, thus fewer documents. It's my way of honoring these important women that made it possible for me to be here! Thank you for this video!
This is astounding. I love this so much
If nobody has ever recognized this house before, do you plan on publishing some sort of paper on your findings?
It's not really "new" information. A few others have noticed it over the decades but no one has ever charted it out or given it a name.
@@UsefulCharts I think you should publish it. It must have been quite a bit of work to research all connections and to create this fascinating tree. :) James Watt wasn't the first person to build a working steam engine, but he was the one who build the first useful one - therefore he is known as the "inventor" of the steam engine. This comparison might be a bit overstreched, but I think you deserve to be known as the person who named this dynasty (and charted it).
At the very least create a wiki article for it if there isn’t one... that might be enough for it to gain traction.
@@UsefulCharts this deserves a full book if you do publish it
you should definitely publish. You did all this work after all and it is quite interesting information that will help other researchers
The mitochondria (aka powerhouse of the cell) is always inherited from our mothers, ie it’s an exact copy from mother to mother. It’s funny they all carry the same garsenda mitochondria
So it's only passes down through mother to daughter ?
crappy firedog the mother passes it down to son and daughter, but then only the daughter can pass it on to their children
one mother period all come from there
Not always an exact copy. If a mutation occurs then the new mutation passes to the children. When they do mitochondria tracing they go back to the first occurrence of the mutation. Think of it as a time stamp. If it weren't for the occasional mutation the entire world would all match Eve.
@@cindywagner6950 kinda of is all Eve in all her forms.
Really fascinating! Good work.
This is incredible, thanks so much for this amazing insight😃
When you just randomly click on the wikipedia link for the mother of historical people and end up finding something interesting
Don't trust Wikipedia though.
This lineage does not go back to Garsenda. The father of Juana Nunez de Lara (Juan Núñez I de Lara) married two different women named Teresa. The one descended from Garsenda was NOT the mother of Juana Nunez.
It's not "strange" that nobody ever talked about this house up until now, since not even the individuals featured in the video ever thought of themselves as belonging to such lineage. It was as unthinkable as it was irrelevant for the politics of the period. but anyway, I personally think it's a very interesting trivia fact, thank you for bringing light to this hidden gem.
Yeah
Basically this
I mean mothers can have a great effect on their children so it’s not completely irrelevant, though saying that, it was very common for royalty to not participate in raising their children so maybe it is
@@essr4580 Yep, most noblewomen didn't even breastfeed their own kids.
@@viorp5267 milk mothers ftw
You may like to know, why not, that I use a lot of your videos in my ESL lessons because your delivery is clear and not too fast. Also it's useful to expose students to Canadian accents. Due to this you may have picked up a small but dedicated following in Hong Kong and Shenzhen (we use VPNs to watch TH-cam shhhh don't tell anyone), where people are oddly obsessed with European royalty.
Love your vlogs. I always learn so much.
Absolutely love this! Great work!
One small mistake I caught: Sigismund III Vasa was also king of Sweden between 1592 and 1599, making his first wife Anna (not Anne, small typo) Queen-Consort of both Sweden and Poland. Constance however is correctly only Queen-Consort of Poland since she married Sigismund happened after he was deposed in Sweden by duke Karl IX, his uncle, in 1599
Wow, this is pretty wild.
Amazing video that I have shared with my genealogy group. Thank you!
I see I'm going to be stuck on your channel for a few days - thanks for all the work. dont know how I havent found this before...
You have done a great job. It's like a complete different dynasty hidden beneath the patrilineal line. So much effort you put. I really love your work.
The House of Bourbon takes its name from a woman when in 1272 a son of king Louis IX(Capetians) married the heiress of the lordship of Bourbon -the Bourbonnais is a historic region in central France.
Amazing man 🔥🔥no words👏👏
Kerala has had quite a few Matrilineal Royal Families, many ruling till 1952 even. Many people still follow the matrilineal system of inheritance. You should try making a family chart of the Royal Family of Travancore, it would be a fun exploration of matrilineal inheritance. Lemme know if you're interested and want help :)
We can add a few more steps upward (altough some of the connections are conjectural) :
Gersande I de Forcalquier (c.1160-c.1193)
Adélaïde de Béziers (c.1110)
Mathiline Trencavel (c. 1090)
Cécile de Provence (c.1070-1150)
Mathilde d'Arles (c. 1050-1099)
Lucie de Provence (c. 1000)
Adélaïde d'Anjou (947-1026)
Gerberge du Maine (915-)
Godehilde du Maine (892-)
Godehilde (865)
Ermentrude d'Orléans, queen of France (830-869)
Engeltrude de Fezensac (805-)
Grimeut d'Alsace (c. 780)
Grimhilde de Paris (c.755)
Amaudru d'Ardennes (c. 690)
Isabelle de Lommois (c.650)
Widulfa ?? Gratienne ?? (c.635)
So, who would be the matrilineal head of this house? The most senior matrilineal descendant? Queen Sophia of Spain?
Maybe
Strict Enatic primogeniture, I would say.
Elizabeth II herself is a descendant of Victoria, wouldn't that make her part of this house?
@@AK4Uwolfen Not by an unbroken chain of females. That's why she isn't.
@@AK4Uwolfen no, bcs it only transferred by mothers, and her mother is not
Very interesting! Some years ago, I stumbled upon Garsenda myself when I tracked the matrilineal ancestors of King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden, but I had no idea so many other European royal persons descened from her! Fantastic job! Btw, the patrilineal ancestry oc the king of Sweden get stuck in 16th century France. Garsenda is so much older!!
Amazing!! Thanks for this!
So this is how the Sisterhood of the Bene Gesserit began...
What is this?
Dune. It’s a book series.
😂😂😂
Exactly my thought. Dune is purportedly based on real, but secret history. I suspect this maternal line goes back to Roman times, and then back even much further. Have you ever heard the expression "The woman makes the king"? This is the embodiment of that expression. I am interested in a comment above that someone has traced the house of Garsenda back to Beziers in the south of France. That suggests to me that Mary Magdellan was either the founding female or was carrying on a much more ancient line. And what is the secret history of Mary Magdalene? That when she went to France she was carrying the child of Jesus. Hence the claim of European nobility to be a sacred line.
@@noelbecker7002 could it be that it is somehow linkes to what Mauro Biglino is talking about? Check kis canal
"Whenever a european nation where at it's peak of power, a member of (the matrilineal) House of Garsenda was there."
If that doesn't confirms a line of witches, what else could 😂
Time stamp?
Or rather a line of gold diggerz?
Seriously?
Why not noble women who were highly desirable due to their upbringing?
Why is it always a bad thing for women to be in influential positions?
As a follower of Christ and a woman with a smattering of royal blood myself, I find this statement far more an indication of the speaker's contempt for nobility and womanhood, rather than a likelihood of nefarious actions on the part of the souls long since departed from their mortal coils.
Presumably, your own views on your own matrilineal heritage is not equally as bleak.. but if it is.. I shall pray for your mother.. and for you.. honestly and sincerely, for accusations of witchcraft are not idle words.. and we shall give an accounting for each and every word we release towards others in False Witness or with a malicious heart.
Bon chance, mon ami. I hope your comments were intended more innocently than they appear.
@@Ricca_Day It might be an indication of the writers interest in fantasy.
@@mikaelbohman6694 You forget that it was usually fathers deciding over their daughters marriage. Royal marriages were state affairs, international politics before 20th century.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
One of my fav videos that you ever made 👏
8:15 ah Habsburgs, always keeping it in the family.
The idea of a hidden dynasty is incredibly interesting! Especially a matrilineal dynasty in the context of a patriarchal society
So glad you pulled together the matrilineal lines to the royal houses!!
Really fascinating. Very original work. Worthy of a book
Finally somebody is talking about this
I've brought up several times that someone needs to find the organization and patterns of the marriages, which obviously would be following the female lines because the eldest men generally stay put or die out.
There probably is one or more female lines that go around almost all of the German dukedoms and end up with some crowns. ...Maybe even some from the Byzantine emperors?
@@hawkishOwl2020 there are such claims. Whether fabricated or not, many kings in the west have tried to trace their lineage, on the mothers' side to even as far back as Caesar.
@@admontblanc A couple of the early saxon emperors married Byzantine princesses. Those lines died out, but I'm not sure if there were any daughters.
Garsenda would be an amazing movie.
more like a min TV series with one women per episode or so ...
@@calebhall4620 Very cool idea.
Probably R rated with all the incest going on... ;)
Caleb Hall A historical drama about some of the Garsendas like the german TV-Miniseries “Maximilian” would be awesome.
This needs more attention! Would love to see more matrilineal lines!
Fantastic and riveting. TY so much for sharing. I want to learn a lot more.