Pete (Sugar's husband) is also very calm and coolheaded. It's as if the women of the family saw how insane their mother was, so they married men who were the exact opposite of what the members of their family was like.
@@Andorski to be fair Stevie is still very different than Pete lol. Their only similarity is not being clinically insane. Stevie is still far more acute and adjusted to deal with the berzattos in a proper fashion
I bet u said that because you have gone through this at your dinner table. Yes...its an "ice breaker". I get it dude. I've been there too. Almost every effing holiday. I get it. Good point
My dad sobbed after watching this episode. Twice, when he watched it on his own and again when we all watched it. Reminded him of his own childhood. That's how well these guys acted this whole episode out, Curtis especially. Phenomenal show.
As a kid (13 yo), at a friend's house, I saw that. His mom went insane over a comment on the food and started to shatter plates on the floor. It was a big family and they reacted like it wasn't uncommon. And I thought my family was effed up. Jesus.
@@remylee1612 Better competition, same reason I didn't think Leo deserved it the year he got it, or the year Al finally got his. She's a legend, but that award was Stephanie's, I felt she was better in the movie. Now True Lies? Jamie should have been nominated for that one for sure.
Jus give freaking everything to all the actor that's what u want. Jus praise them without mentioning who deserves what . Everytime giver her oacar , give her that .....bs
@@thedrewdog shut up dude . I am being serious and it's not just abt you or your cmt . I am saying in general. Whenever there is somewhat of a good scene with convincing acting under serious circumstances/subject with so e good lines people r like why hasn't he won academy , emmy already ? He/ she should have won this year that year or what not ? Guess what ? Those who won that year dud deserve it and also there was a heck of a competition. Also the main thing actor r supposed to give good work in general .
After this episode, it’s crazy how normal Natalie actually is in the present day scenes lol. For whatever reason she seemed to catch the full brunt of her mother’s wrath. Middle child, only daughter. At least Mikey was the oldest (first kid) and Carm was the “impressive” one. She got caught in between. In one episode she inadvertently caused her mother to first outwardly fantasize about suicide (which we learn probably wasn’t a shallow threat) and then also drive a car thru their house as a response to her just trying to help.
This comment found its target. I am the middle child. An artist. A cancerian (although I am not a follower of astrology, I cannot deny the core traits of my character being caricaturishly in alignment with those of my birth sign). Narcissist father, more extreme narcissist older sister, mild Aspergers younger brother (none of this realized until well in to adulthood) and MOTHER, who despite six years of psychoanalysis before marrying, never got to the core of feeling used and manipulated by her parents, segued into almost 60 years of being gaslit and manipulated by her (thankfully, not physically violent) husband, became a Jekyll and Hyde, emotionally destabilized daily by her husband’s (my father’s) narcissist crazy making, her volatility and rage, the flipside of profound love, adoration, delight in us-her three children, appreciation, and support of who we were, of who we wanted to become, yet the fury always beneath the surface, hair triggered, the distant earthquake rumble giving way to convulsive eruptions, torrents of hate filled, screamed language, which shook the earth beneath our feet, eradicating all sense of love, of being protected, cherished, cared for and most devastatingly, of feeling a worthy recipient, leaving in its place the conviction of being invalid, of being the cause of our beloved mother’s pain. As did the siblings in the scene, we all understood the wrath which would befall us all for the perceived transgression of one, allies transformed to enemies.
With narcissistic or borderline parents, family dynamics fall into these patterns. Mike is the golden child, Carmy the 2nd favourite, but forgotten and mostly left to his own devices. And poor Natalie is the scapegoat and the parentified child. Anything she says gets turned around into something negative. You can see evidently in the show how this has shaped each of the their personalities. Carmy needs the stress of the kitchen and has been running all around the world to escape his family. Nat is more like the mother to the bear gang, forced to take care of everything. It's made worse because she's her mother's only daughter, so Donna heaps and projects even more onto her.
Nat could have so EASILY been a one dimensional character, the stick in the mud sister who’s always ruining everyone’s fun. When I first saw her in the pilot, I thought “Oh here we go, big sister’s here to ruin the fun” but the thing is…the show knows a lot of the chaos in the restaurant is not really that fun! It’s fun to watch but only up to a point. And Nat is usually right about stuff.
@@TheEclecticSinger interesting because Pete is generally presented as a joke, clearly more of a pushover than Natalie. You could interpret it as her just being a self-serving Berzatto and picking a yes man husband. But I think this episode illustrates that Pete, despite his idiocy, is actually still much more than that to Natalie herself
just watched this episode and I felt so bad for natalie here. all the berzatto kids seem to have a tough relationship with their mom, but natalie being the only daughter seems to have gotten the short end of the stick.
I agree with the other commenter here, I think Natalie was taking “revenge” on her mom. With the immediate eye-roll of everyone they knew that would set her off, so Natalie isn’t that stupid (she spent all episode quietly trying to dispose the liquor, etc.) to ask her that without knowing. Also the moms response “I hate when you ask me that” indicates that Natalie has done this before. She is essentially telling her mom to fuck off for her abuse here
@@rohunsaigal2576 I disagree, I view it as her being caring to a fault. Nothing in her character suggests that she’s a vindictive individual. Her trying to pour donna’s alcohol out subtly shows that she just really wants her to calm down. She’s either unable to accept or unable to process that her mom is truly beyond repair. Mikey and Carm realize this that’s why they kind of “play her game” until they just need to back off out of necessity. They’re jaded enough to pull the plug on trying to “fix” her because they know it’s in vain. For whatever reason, Natalie refuses to accept that she can’t help…setting her way over the edge.
@@rohunsaigal2576 Its instictive for a child to ask his/her parents whether they are okay! If Natalie was by any means taking revenge on her mother then she had many many cyances throughout the dinner to do that. Even Carmy asks his Mom in the kitchen whether she is alright even though Carmy knows that is what sets off the trigger. Can't imagine how any one would think that Natalie was trying to instigate hwr mother when its crystal clear that she is the most caring individual in the family.
Natalie asked the question out of genuine concern. Because it's been ingrained in her to be overly concerned about her mother's mood. Earlier, in the kitchen scene, you can see how each character is trying so hard to keep Donna on an even keel because they've all experienced these kind of blow ups. Notice that the collective negative reaction is actually to Natalie's question. They're frustrated and annoyed that Natalie just "set Donna off" because they all know what's coming next, because it's already a pattern of behavior. The expectation is that the everyone is supposed to tiptoe around whatever emotional buttons might send Donna over the edge. No one expects Donna to act better, they all accept that "Donna is the way she is" but that Natalie "should've known better". This is EXACTLY what it's like to be in a dysfunctional family with a volatile parent.
My favorite part of this scene (not to downplay Jamie Lee Curtis's phenomenal acting) is the way that they blend in the tables reaction to Sugar's question before we see the Mom's reaction, like they all knew immediatley that shit was gonna go down, which set up the outburst that comes after so well
No, it's not everyone. Not everyone grew up in a verbally violent house with a parent/parents that make every part of their child's lives about themselves.
@@bleh329 yeah, not everyone. But everyone at least had an argument in their lives with their relatives and probably had at least one that wasnt pretty as well. Its part of growing up for most, upsetting your parents, or the other way, there is always tension in family to some degree. Most people can oddly relate to this scene. Most people have at least one person in family that causes problems and upsets everyone, or have one yet to be met, despite your status in society. You can meet one in every group. Just because someone can relate to 5 minutes of similiar kind of 'tension' at the table, doesnt mean they grew up in totally dysfunctional family. It just means we can have a taste and only imagine what whole lives of that kind of tension growing up was for these characters.
@@bleh329nor did they say that at all. Count yourself lucky for not being able to relate to this scene, but for those of us who can, it’s absolutely spot on for what it’s like to have to deal with a troubled parent like her. It felt so real for so many of us, and that’s what’s being pointed out.
Not gonna lie, I cried. This made me appreciate my mother even more and want to make sure I make things more beautiful for her despite of the craziness. I love you, Mom.
Like he was looking for a way out of their, or trying to avoid eye contact lol. When I watched this episode, the length and the big shot actors they brought in was a phenomenal melting pot of acting
Goes to show she’s the true behemoth of the family. Lee was an asshole poking and prodding everyone with no fear all episode. But had no sly remark for Donna
As a writer...as much as I appreciate this sublime acting. My thing, love to make myself cry in a good way. These emotionally raw, real 90 seconds made me freeze and immediately triggered my childhood. I found myself reacting like I was sitting there. WOW WOW WOW. BRAVO & BRAVA. This is art. “Are you okay, Leeeeee?” Jamie, Jamie, Jamie you went there and then some.
this whole episode was just so much. the repeating stories/throwing forks argument, oh my god. this is one thing i think this show dunks on Succession with, the dysfunctional family dynamic was just nailed
Anyone raised by an alcoholic mother knows this pain. I was shaken up for days after watching this episode. I still find it hard to describe my feelings, but I know this: they captured the anxiety, the insecurity, the paralyzing dread of being a child of an alcoholic and needing so desperately to just know that everything’s going to be okay and being denied that simple security. Feeling that dread of not knowing what’s going to happen in the next few seconds or minutes or hours. And the apologists will speak up with their BS about how kids are resilient, blah blah blah. Spare me.
I felt sick through most of this episode but the scene before this actually triggered my dad so bad he broke down or had a panic attack or something. It's funny, he praised the episode after he got through that and could talk again
As someone who grew up with a mentally struggling, emotionally abusive parent, I can say that the train had already left the station. The mom was going to blow up anyway. And from plenty of experience, I can say there’s a good chance that she asked if Mom was okay, because if she hadn’t, they may have all been raked over the coals for not caring enough to ask. She may have sacrificed herself in the moment to get it over with and take the hit. My siblings and I have done that for each other at times. With narcissist abusers, you are always set up to fail, no matter what you do.
After a few repeats I realised that at 1:15, the Mom is staring dead at Carm. He doesn’t realise it but she says nothing till their eyes meet before delivering that big F You and breaking the dish. It’s a call back to their earlier interaction where she told him I make things beautiful for them but they don’t for me.” Basically a big “I told you so.”
"Mental issues"? That's quite a wide category. More like that's what you don't say someone with a personality disorder. Because they'll latch onto it as an excuse to blow off some steam. That's what a display like this is: taking stress out on those closest to them.
Yea...personally learning to NOT ask my own mother that when she obviously looks upset. I get almost the same reaction in private but without the alcohol.
I love how you can see how each of the siblings are processing their trauma. Mikey looks sad and scared, Carmy is completely checked out, and Sugar is trying to parent the mom.
This scene in particular just fucking blew me away. The acting. The writing. The direction. Jamie Lee Curtis just disappeared into her character here and it felt disgustingly real, like you were watching an actual unhinged maniac explode at a family. The family's reactions is really what does it for me: half of them look just bored as if they were waiting for this the whole night, because they're SO used to her being a narcissistic attention hoarder. This is reality for some people.
Jesus you could cut the tension with a knife. This also hits so close to home for me, I have a family full of alcoholics. I was on the edge of my seat this whole episode.
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Jamie Lee's character in this series suffered from some type of narcissistic or manic depressive personality disorder, which Laurie Strode never had. Laurie's trauma was shown perfectly fine in the 2018 movie. Not like I expect a super accurate psychological character breakdown in a Halloween movie anyway-the same franchise where a licensed psychiatrist literally just calls his patient "evil" over and over again.
@Kira1Lawliet they meant they wanted to see that raw kind of emotion in Halloween since this show is evidence she has it in her. Her character in Halloween was a wet fart when it came to showing trauma.
@@Kira1Lawliet Kills and Ends were terrible, but the scene in Halloween 2018 where Laurie tries to keep it together at a family dinner out but breaks down was fantastic. Jamie was excellent in that film.
Her acting is so good that I just started laughing out of nowhere. Her movement and way she speaks is so on point, I got scared and amused at the same time!
I thought her saying that was transparent manipulation tbh. She got no sympathy out of me. She decided to make these ridiculous overcomplicated dishes to make a point about how much effort she puts into everything and how little her family appreciates it. Her family clearly didn't even like these dishes. They also didn't want her making them since they knew how difficult the preparation was and that it would likely push her over the edge. This was not about her making beautiful things for others. She was simply setting her family up for her grand dramatic outburst.
This parallels Carmine in the walk-in on the last episode. Even Syd flipped out on Marcus when he asked if she needed help on the first season: "Do you ask Carm if hes ok?"
This is narcissistic abuse. Classic manipulation from a woman with a martyr complex. The rage. The guilt tripping. She sucked every ounce of joy out of that holiday meal. She had to make it all about HER with her classic melt down.
What a scene. What a message! The fine arts have brought countless dark, explosive, disfunctional family holiday gatberings to light but this one takes the prize. A masterful reminder that these events are not about me or you, they're about US. Let's close pur baggage, open our hearts and make the most of our fam gatherings, good people.
This episode felt like a panic attack but I couldn't help but laugh when Sugar asked her mom if she was ok, despite having been told by the others to not do that, and then you see the other family members grimace at what was about to be unleashed
I got serious whiplash seeing her here after watching the spate of interviews she did around Oscar season, where it's clear as day what a radiantly positive, generous, kindhearted person she is. To see her completely disappear into such a cruel and miserable character was unnerving.
Donna’s laugh when shes saying ‘do you know how much i hate’ is perfect. Its like she literally in shock she would ask that to the point she’s laughing to herself
The Bear is like Avengers Endgame for all the great actors of this century. They got Bob Odenkirk, Jamie Lee Curtis, John Mulaney, Olivia Colman, Jon Bernthal, Joel Mchale, Will poulter, and hopefully many more in upcoming seasons. And they're not even just cameos, for cameos' sake, they work so well! This scene with Jamie Lee Curtis, the one with Olivia Colman (my favourite) and the one with Will Poulter, they don't stress on the fact that they're big stars doing a cameo in a show. They just casually show it to us and we enjoy the shit out of it!
This is superb acting! Natalie knows exactly what she’s doing and so does Michelle but they’re going up against the master of subtle (and overtly blatant) manipulation that is Donna, so of course you’re going to get that level of an explosion. So, so good!
Yes. Me too. My sisters and I will spend the rest of our lives struggling with the damage left from our childhoods. There were times my Mom could be so deeply loving and kind. But then the dark times came so often when she could savagely tear you apart for three days straight and on the final day have you on your knees begging her forgiveness for making her do that. In a way it made us so strong, but left us with so many scars.
This episode and the one with Carmy explaining his feelings/relationship with life and his big brother at NA gave me such a massive panic attack...it's devastating to identify with these characters on such a personal level.
The most unsettling part about this episode was seeing John Mulaney play as the most sane person at that dinner table
Pete (Sugar's husband) is also very calm and coolheaded. It's as if the women of the family saw how insane their mother was, so they married men who were the exact opposite of what the members of their family was like.
He was against type so damn hilarious
Poor guy didn't know what he got himself into.@@Andorski
Why? Is he often the opposite?
@@Andorski to be fair Stevie is still very different than Pete lol. Their only similarity is not being clinically insane. Stevie is still far more acute and adjusted to deal with the berzattos in a proper fashion
That episode felt like it went on forever. Which is exactly what it feels like in real life in that kind of dysfunction
I give props for Michelle for adding that comment so Natalie wouldn’t get all the anguish, even if that wasn’t her intention.
It needed to be said. Even if it did bring things to a boiling point. But shit was spilling over anyway
@@PerfectDark0 I agree, she would have broke down or have a meltdown no matter what anyones response was then or later.
I bet u said that because you have gone through this at your dinner table. Yes...its an "ice breaker". I get it dude. I've been there too. Almost every effing holiday. I get it. Good point
@@Nick-nk4eewho are you responding to? 😂
The way she turned her head after “not really” was something out of a horror movie 😂
Aim locked
YES!! Took me out 😂😂😂
She was about to bite her fr
1000% I made this face 😲😨
I LAUGH EVERYTIME 😂😂
My dad sobbed after watching this episode. Twice, when he watched it on his own and again when we all watched it. Reminded him of his own childhood. That's how well these guys acted this whole episode out, Curtis especially.
Phenomenal show.
God bless him
As a kid (13 yo), at a friend's house, I saw that. His mom went insane over a comment on the food and started to shatter plates on the floor. It was a big family and they reacted like it wasn't uncommon. And I thought my family was effed up. Jesus.
I didn't think she deserved the Oscar but she DEFINITELY deserves an Emmy for this performance, it was incredible.
Why didn't you think she deserved the Oscar?
@@remylee1612 Better competition, same reason I didn't think Leo deserved it the year he got it, or the year Al finally got his.
She's a legend, but that award was Stephanie's, I felt she was better in the movie.
Now True Lies? Jamie should have been nominated for that one for sure.
Jus give freaking everything to all the actor that's what u want. Jus praise them without mentioning who deserves what . Everytime giver her oacar , give her that .....bs
@@itsbonkerjojo9028 *throws a fork at you*
You've had too much to drink.
@@thedrewdog shut up dude . I am being serious and it's not just abt you or your cmt . I am saying in general. Whenever there is somewhat of a good scene with convincing acting under serious circumstances/subject with so e good lines people r like why hasn't he won academy , emmy already ? He/ she should have won this year that year or what not ? Guess what ? Those who won that year dud deserve it and also there was a heck of a competition. Also the main thing actor r supposed to give good work in general .
After this episode, it’s crazy how normal Natalie actually is in the present day scenes lol. For whatever reason she seemed to catch the full brunt of her mother’s wrath. Middle child, only daughter. At least Mikey was the oldest (first kid) and Carm was the “impressive” one. She got caught in between. In one episode she inadvertently caused her mother to first outwardly fantasize about suicide (which we learn probably wasn’t a shallow threat) and then also drive a car thru their house as a response to her just trying to help.
It probably helps that she has Pete, who unconditionally loves her and probably helped her through so much trauma as well.
This comment found its target. I am the middle child. An artist. A cancerian (although I am not a follower of astrology, I cannot deny the core traits of my character being caricaturishly in alignment with those of my birth sign). Narcissist father, more extreme narcissist older sister, mild Aspergers younger brother (none of this realized until well in to adulthood) and MOTHER, who despite six years of psychoanalysis before marrying, never got to the core of feeling used and manipulated by her parents, segued into almost 60 years of being gaslit and manipulated by her (thankfully, not physically violent) husband, became a Jekyll and Hyde, emotionally destabilized daily by her husband’s (my father’s) narcissist crazy making, her volatility and rage, the flipside of profound love, adoration, delight in us-her three children, appreciation, and support of who we were, of who we wanted to become, yet the fury always beneath the surface, hair triggered, the distant earthquake rumble giving way to convulsive eruptions, torrents of hate filled, screamed language, which shook the earth beneath our feet, eradicating all sense of love, of being protected, cherished, cared for and most devastatingly, of feeling a worthy recipient, leaving in its place the conviction of being invalid, of being the cause of our beloved mother’s pain. As did the siblings in the scene, we all understood the wrath which would befall us all for the perceived transgression of one, allies transformed to enemies.
With narcissistic or borderline parents, family dynamics fall into these patterns. Mike is the golden child, Carmy the 2nd favourite, but forgotten and mostly left to his own devices. And poor Natalie is the scapegoat and the parentified child. Anything she says gets turned around into something negative. You can see evidently in the show how this has shaped each of the their personalities. Carmy needs the stress of the kitchen and has been running all around the world to escape his family. Nat is more like the mother to the bear gang, forced to take care of everything. It's made worse because she's her mother's only daughter, so Donna heaps and projects even more onto her.
Nat could have so EASILY been a one dimensional character, the stick in the mud sister who’s always ruining everyone’s fun. When I first saw her in the pilot, I thought “Oh here we go, big sister’s here to ruin the fun” but the thing is…the show knows a lot of the chaos in the restaurant is not really that fun! It’s fun to watch but only up to a point. And Nat is usually right about stuff.
@@TheEclecticSinger interesting because Pete is generally presented as a joke, clearly more of a pushover than Natalie. You could interpret it as her just being a self-serving Berzatto and picking a yes man husband. But I think this episode illustrates that Pete, despite his idiocy, is actually still much more than that to Natalie herself
Jamie Lee Curtis screaming Michael! is an unintentional nod to Halloween Michael Myers. 😂
just watched this episode and I felt so bad for natalie here. all the berzatto kids seem to have a tough relationship with their mom, but natalie being the only daughter seems to have gotten the short end of the stick.
…… you okay?
I agree with the other commenter here, I think Natalie was taking “revenge” on her mom. With the immediate eye-roll of everyone they knew that would set her off, so Natalie isn’t that stupid (she spent all episode quietly trying to dispose the liquor, etc.) to ask her that without knowing. Also the moms response “I hate when you ask me that” indicates that Natalie has done this before. She is essentially telling her mom to fuck off for her abuse here
@@rohunsaigal2576 I disagree, I view it as her being caring to a fault. Nothing in her character suggests that she’s a vindictive individual. Her trying to pour donna’s alcohol out subtly shows that she just really wants her to calm down. She’s either unable to accept or unable to process that her mom is truly beyond repair.
Mikey and Carm realize this that’s why they kind of “play her game” until they just need to back off out of necessity. They’re jaded enough to pull the plug on trying to “fix” her because they know it’s in vain. For whatever reason, Natalie refuses to accept that she can’t help…setting her way over the edge.
@@rohunsaigal2576 Its instictive for a child to ask his/her parents whether they are okay! If Natalie was by any means taking revenge on her mother then she had many many cyances throughout the dinner to do that. Even Carmy asks his Mom in the kitchen whether she is alright even though Carmy knows that is what sets off the trigger. Can't imagine how any one would think that Natalie was trying to instigate hwr mother when its crystal clear that she is the most caring individual in the family.
Natalie asked the question out of genuine concern. Because it's been ingrained in her to be overly concerned about her mother's mood. Earlier, in the kitchen scene, you can see how each character is trying so hard to keep Donna on an even keel because they've all experienced these kind of blow ups. Notice that the collective negative reaction is actually to Natalie's question. They're frustrated and annoyed that Natalie just "set Donna off" because they all know what's coming next, because it's already a pattern of behavior. The expectation is that the everyone is supposed to tiptoe around whatever emotional buttons might send Donna over the edge. No one expects Donna to act better, they all accept that "Donna is the way she is" but that Natalie "should've known better". This is EXACTLY what it's like to be in a dysfunctional family with a volatile parent.
My favorite part of this scene (not to downplay Jamie Lee Curtis's phenomenal acting) is the way that they blend in the tables reaction to Sugar's question before we see the Mom's reaction, like they all knew immediatley that shit was gonna go down, which set up the outburst that comes after so well
jon bernthal deserves an emmy just for that perfect face palm lmao
The perfect expression of ‘oml he we go again good job nat’
You know someone messed up when the dude who literally was about to break down feels pity for someone else in the room lol.
Triggering for millions who have dysfunction in their families (which is everyone). So real. Outstanding acting by Jamie Lee Curtis!!
No, it's not everyone. Not everyone grew up in a verbally violent house with a parent/parents that make every part of their child's lives about themselves.
@@bleh329 FR, like even if there's tension at least we have values and boundaries (specially in a christian family xd we do not talk shit)
@@bleh329 yeah, not everyone. But everyone at least had an argument in their lives with their relatives and probably had at least one that wasnt pretty as well. Its part of growing up for most, upsetting your parents, or the other way, there is always tension in family to some degree. Most people can oddly relate to this scene. Most people have at least one person in family that causes problems and upsets everyone, or have one yet to be met, despite your status in society. You can meet one in every group. Just because someone can relate to 5 minutes of similiar kind of 'tension' at the table, doesnt mean they grew up in totally dysfunctional family. It just means we can have a taste and only imagine what whole lives of that kind of tension growing up was for these characters.
@@bleh329nor did they say that at all. Count yourself lucky for not being able to relate to this scene, but for those of us who can, it’s absolutely spot on for what it’s like to have to deal with a troubled parent like her. It felt so real for so many of us, and that’s what’s being pointed out.
@@MisterDenisTTno one cares about your religious judgment of others not so perfect , hate to break it to ya.
Not gonna lie, I cried. This made me appreciate my mother even more and want to make sure I make things more beautiful for her despite of the craziness. I love you, Mom.
Yeah, i me too... I saw my mom every second
Same :(
I thought I was the only one 😂
Wasn‘t the character of Jamie Lee not supposed to be kind of abusive? Not that you can‘t sympathise with her, but she is definetly not okay.
@@pl9462yeah lol
Lee's eyes darting around in a perfect triangular shape when Donna yells at him was hilarious.
Like he was looking for a way out of their, or trying to avoid eye contact lol. When I watched this episode, the length and the big shot actors they brought in was a phenomenal melting pot of acting
Goes to show she’s the true behemoth of the family. Lee was an asshole poking and prodding everyone with no fear all episode. But had no sly remark for Donna
As a writer...as much as I appreciate this sublime acting. My thing, love to make myself cry in a good way. These emotionally raw, real 90 seconds made me freeze and immediately triggered my childhood. I found myself reacting like I was sitting there. WOW WOW WOW. BRAVO & BRAVA. This is art. “Are you okay, Leeeeee?” Jamie, Jamie, Jamie you went there and then some.
this whole episode was just so much. the repeating stories/throwing forks argument, oh my god. this is one thing i think this show dunks on Succession with, the dysfunctional family dynamic was just nailed
@@simonuhrick7674 make you laugh, make you cry, make you care….is what I say. My goal as a writer.
This is my favorite episode, but it’s also really hard to watch. I had to pause several times.
Anyone raised by an alcoholic mother knows this pain. I was shaken up for days after watching this episode. I still find it hard to describe my feelings, but I know this: they captured the anxiety, the insecurity, the paralyzing dread of being a child of an alcoholic and needing so desperately to just know that everything’s going to be okay and being denied that simple security. Feeling that dread of not knowing what’s going to happen in the next few seconds or minutes or hours. And the apologists will speak up with their BS about how kids are resilient, blah blah blah. Spare me.
Yes. 💯
I felt sick through most of this episode but the scene before this actually triggered my dad so bad he broke down or had a panic attack or something. It's funny, he praised the episode after he got through that and could talk again
Did your father have a history with substance? I know I’ve had my moments on the bottle and this brought back some bad memories for me.
@@maxfrankow1238I’m guessing he has been on the receiving end of those “looks” before.
@@maxfrankow1238 Trauma from parents
I feel bad for rose, shes a punching bag for her mom
Natalie Rose aka Sugar
@@annrodriguez2891 ?
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Oscar winner Jamie Lee Curtis! She showed them all!
Lol poor Sugar she meant the best but imagine being her brother hearing her say this and knowing exactly what's about to happen. I would've fled
That had to have been on purpose either as a “fuck you” to the mom or for some other reason there’s no way she didn’t know that was gonna set her off
@@rohunsaigal2576She's codependent. She also couldn't help herself.
As someone who grew up with a mentally struggling, emotionally abusive parent, I can say that the train had already left the station. The mom was going to blow up anyway. And from plenty of experience, I can say there’s a good chance that she asked if Mom was okay, because if she hadn’t, they may have all been raked over the coals for not caring enough to ask. She may have sacrificed herself in the moment to get it over with and take the hit. My siblings and I have done that for each other at times. With narcissist abusers, you are always set up to fail, no matter what you do.
That last low whisper “Fuck you,” to Sugar is like a dagger.
After a few repeats I realised that at 1:15, the Mom is staring dead at Carm. He doesn’t realise it but she says nothing till their eyes meet before delivering that big F You and breaking the dish. It’s a call back to their earlier interaction where she told him I make things beautiful for them but they don’t for me.” Basically a big “I told you so.”
I never was triggered in my entire life by an episode like this one!! And that means they did a good job...
Give her an Emmy!
The collective facepalm killed me so bad. Rewinded like 5 times 😂
This performance is something else! This is acting 🔥🔥😊
The one thing you never say to someone with mental issues and/or drug addictions is "ARE YOU OKAY"
"Mental issues"? That's quite a wide category.
More like that's what you don't say someone with a personality disorder. Because they'll latch onto it as an excuse to blow off some steam. That's what a display like this is: taking stress out on those closest to them.
Yea...personally learning to NOT ask my own mother that when she obviously looks upset. I get almost the same reaction in private but without the alcohol.
I love how you can see how each of the siblings are processing their trauma. Mikey looks sad and scared, Carmy is completely checked out, and Sugar is trying to parent the mom.
This scene in particular just fucking blew me away. The acting. The writing. The direction. Jamie Lee Curtis just disappeared into her character here and it felt disgustingly real, like you were watching an actual unhinged maniac explode at a family. The family's reactions is really what does it for me: half of them look just bored as if they were waiting for this the whole night, because they're SO used to her being a narcissistic attention hoarder. This is reality for some people.
This whole episode was so great. So much tension. It deserves an Emmy and many other awards 😊
Jesus you could cut the tension with a knife. This also hits so close to home for me, I have a family full of alcoholics. I was on the edge of my seat this whole episode.
THIS is how you portray a traumatized and damaged Laurie Strode.
Goes to show you its not Jamie Lee, its the writers of Halloween. She nailed it!
One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. Jamie Lee's character in this series suffered from some type of narcissistic or manic depressive personality disorder, which Laurie Strode never had. Laurie's trauma was shown perfectly fine in the 2018 movie. Not like I expect a super accurate psychological character breakdown in a Halloween movie anyway-the same franchise where a licensed psychiatrist literally just calls his patient "evil" over and over again.
@Kira1Lawliet they meant they wanted to see that raw kind of emotion in Halloween since this show is evidence she has it in her. Her character in Halloween was a wet fart when it came to showing trauma.
This Laurie would have driven her car into the hospital and slashed Mike's neck with a piece of plate
David Gordon Greene was the issue. Jamie is a phenomenal actor.
@@Kira1Lawliet Kills and Ends were terrible, but the scene in Halloween 2018 where Laurie tries to keep it together at a family dinner out but breaks down was fantastic. Jamie was excellent in that film.
Her acting is so good that I just started laughing out of nowhere. Her movement and way she speaks is so on point, I got scared and amused at the same time!
She reminds me of my aunt lmao
Holy shit she's terrifying, incredible performance
It hurt when she said she does/makes all these beautiful things for others, but no one makes them for her. 😢
I thought her saying that was transparent manipulation tbh. She got no sympathy out of me.
She decided to make these ridiculous overcomplicated dishes to make a point about how much effort she puts into everything and how little her family appreciates it.
Her family clearly didn't even like these dishes. They also didn't want her making them since they knew how difficult the preparation was and that it would likely push her over the edge.
This was not about her making beautiful things for others. She was simply setting her family up for her grand dramatic outburst.
Emmys all around for guest appearance right here
Connect this back to an earlier ep in season 1 where Nat expresses how upset she is with Carm because he never asks if she's ok.
The acting in this scene in particular is stellar. Like a trainwreck I cant look away from.
0:37 damn that’s great acting I’ve seen that face at family functions
This parallels Carmine in the walk-in on the last episode.
Even Syd flipped out on Marcus when he asked if she needed help on the first season: "Do you ask Carm if hes ok?"
This was acting at an absolutely top tier level from EVERYONE.
She deserves the Emmy for this more than the Oscar!!!
This is narcissistic abuse. Classic manipulation from a woman with a martyr complex. The rage. The guilt tripping. She sucked every ounce of joy out of that holiday meal. She had to make it all about HER with her classic melt down.
What a scene. What a message! The fine arts have brought countless dark, explosive, disfunctional family holiday gatberings to light but this one takes the prize. A masterful reminder that these events are not about me or you, they're about US. Let's close pur baggage, open our hearts and make the most of our fam gatherings, good people.
The weirdest thing about this scene is seeing Lip, Shane, and Saul in the same room together
They don't have to make it so painfully relatable. Scenes like that explains why i don't want to have my own family.
The final "fuck Natalie" as if they needed clarification had me choking on air
They skipped the part where she drove the car through the house.😂
I'm with her. It's super annoying when somebody asks, "Are you okayyyy?" All the freaking time.
Thank you for uploading this. I don't have HULU but I wanted to know what all the buzz was about lol. AMAZING.
This episode felt like a panic attack but I couldn't help but laugh when Sugar asked her mom if she was ok, despite having been told by the others to not do that, and then you see the other family members grimace at what was about to be unleashed
I had to pause this episod three times, I was stressed only to watch
This is a performance of a lifetime for Curtis.
The devious look at 0:36 TAKES ME OUT!!! 😂😂
Shit would turn Medusa to stone.
Then the whispered, "Let's go upstairs." right after. Got me nervous laughing. 😅
Love Jamie Lee Curtis and Sarah Paulson!
Jamie Lee Curtis was absolutely crazy amazing in the role! I watched the episode twice just to see if I missed anything. She is the bomb!
"You okay"
*pained expressions all around"
Just couldnt help yourself huh Natalie
Definitely Emmy worthy! She is magnificently fantastic !!!
All y’all here saying you cried watching this but I just laughed nervously the whole time
I'm ready to check Jamie Lee Curtis into rehab
I got serious whiplash seeing her here after watching the spate of interviews she did around Oscar season, where it's clear as day what a radiantly positive, generous, kindhearted person she is. To see her completely disappear into such a cruel and miserable character was unnerving.
Grew up in this- my brother's name was Michael and mine is Rose. No one can say anything, everyone is fawning.
This hits different, when you come from a unstable household
I was a “care giver child”. I really felt like Sugar in my childhood. Such a cahotic real human episode
Reminds me of the dinner scene from August: Osage County. Definitely more intense.
As someone who got to see the play on Broadway, the intensity is exactly the same. The movie just couldn't capture it!
Donna’s laugh when shes saying ‘do you know how much i hate’ is perfect. Its like she literally in shock she would ask that to the point she’s laughing to herself
I feel so sorry for all you people saying this reminds you of your mother… my god… I hope all of you regularly see psychologists!
cant get enough of the collective oh-shit-why-did-you-ask-that-here-we-go reaction. i love it! 😂😂😂
The Bear is like Avengers Endgame for all the great actors of this century. They got Bob Odenkirk, Jamie Lee Curtis, John Mulaney, Olivia Colman, Jon Bernthal, Joel Mchale, Will poulter, and hopefully many more in upcoming seasons.
And they're not even just cameos, for cameos' sake, they work so well! This scene with Jamie Lee Curtis, the one with Olivia Colman (my favourite) and the one with Will Poulter, they don't stress on the fact that they're big stars doing a cameo in a show. They just casually show it to us and we enjoy the shit out of it!
Emmy worthy performance by Jaimie Lee Curtis. She nailed it .
This is superb acting! Natalie knows exactly what she’s doing and so does Michelle but they’re going up against the master of subtle (and overtly blatant) manipulation that is Donna, so of course you’re going to get that level of an explosion. So, so good!
I love how Jamie Lee Curtis is tearing up the big and little screen at this point in her career.
Probably one of the best episodes in the whole show, and yet I can only watch it once because it stresses me out so much
This hits home. Because this is my mom.
😢
Me too. I'm so sorry :(
Yes. Me too. My sisters and I will spend the rest of our lives struggling with the damage left from our childhoods. There were times my Mom could be so deeply loving and kind. But then the dark times came so often when she could savagely tear you apart for three days straight and on the final day have you on your knees begging her forgiveness for making her do that.
In a way it made us so strong, but left us with so many scars.
Wow she could very well win a Emmy to join her Oscar in the same year! I bet that doesnt happen very often!
Nope but maybe next year lol
It happens. There has been a few that has done it.
Jamie Lee Curtis played that role well…She was an absolute ding bat in this 😂
I like Mulaney's little chorus of "hey"s after 0:38.
At first, I didn't buy her winning Oscars. But now I have to admit that she's actually a good actress.
Ah yes, the narcissistic mother rage anyone who came from a shitty household instantly knew shit was going down
I hope no one's mother has ever went as far as to drive a car through the house lol
@@davidfalconer3530 no thankfully not but all her behavior prior yea making it all about them
She deserves all the awards.
What an amazing performance. Wow, it triggered me a bit.
just beautiful intense acting . the entire episode was a masterpiece
holy shit gene takavic
This reminds me my mom. And our Christmas Eves. Only difference is that my mom can't drive.
wow! I've seen Oscars won for much less... wow! it was a perfect spectacular performance
Superb acting, JLC deserve the Emmy
So funny. Whenever I hear "are you okay" in other shows, I expect them to go ape-shit
sheesh the look in michael face
Make space next to That Oscar for an Emmy.
Told Michael Myers to leave her alone💀
Give her all the awards. Just phenomenal
I ended the episode and started crying that was so much
Look all I know is that I'm Cousin Michelle: The level headed member that loves my family from afar but also lives for the drama at times.
I just saw this episode a few nights ago Joanna Calo as a screenwriter who wrote the script and the story in this episode was perfection :)
Imagine having a step parent like this who doesn't even have a drinking problem to blame...I need to go back to therapy lol
Man, all the talent on the set during this scene. I am amazed and traumatized by the scene in equal measure.
0:35 that turn tho 😂
She deserves an Emmy for this
Alcohol is a helluva drug
This episode and the one with Carmy explaining his feelings/relationship with life and his big brother at NA gave me such a massive panic attack...it's devastating to identify with these characters on such a personal level.