This is so scary how one moment she’s distraught and begging him to stay with her and in a second she’s angry with him to the point that it seems she’s going to fight him. No wonder Carmy is already so stressed out. What a horrible environment to grow up in
Michelle tried telling him he needs to get the hell out and he wouldn't listen. He was blowing her off. She even said he can stay with her. She's the realest one for that.
Jamie reminded me so much of my own mother with BPD and Narcissistic tendencies that it made me physically ill watching her in this episode. This episode and this series is so incredibly human
Same. I was shaking. I turned to my partner, who has never met my mother as I've cut her off (he only knows of fragments including how she threatened to crash my late father's funeral and force her bizarre "condolences" on us) and said, "If you ever wondered what it was like growing up in my home, I was Sugar and mom was Jamie Lee." He got very quiet and sad.
This scene is so realistic so many children have to treat their parents like there are children. It is exhausting and poor Carmy he can't even register his own feelings, but he has to regulate his drunken mother's. Poor Carmy 😩
She is broken sounds good on paper. Is horrible to live with. And cannot be helped. And I hate her, I despise her. She did a good job playing BPD family member.
WTF... *I* was afraid of her, terrified, in that moment, from hundreds of miles away and a different reality lol. To me it spoke to the years of physical and mental abuse she no doubt put all her kids thru, which almost certainly paled in comparison to the horrible abuse her parents likely put her thru a generation before
Kind of shocking to see her pull this performance out of the bag. I watch a lot of TV. This show has some of the best acted scenes of any show put on film. Period.
The sad thing is, parents that act like this will only inevitably spend their last few years alone, with their children trying to stay away from the drama until their parent finally dies.
Yeah as much as they hurt other people, they're actually victims of themselves too. You'd think people with this personality disorder is going out of their to ruin everyone's mood and feelings on purpose.. But they're actually feeling exactly the way they're acting and lashing out. Its like storm going on inside them that nobody recognizes.
@@flowersforme375 the mother is dealing with her own mental illness and emotional instability. These types are incapable of admitting their own flaws and never self-reflect. In their mind things just happen to them and they're in no way responsible for the way their life has turned out.
@@AYOLOSUBMARINEyea, that’s what having a MENTAL ILLNESS does genius. My dad is like this and he’s a great man who does self reflect when he’s not manic the same way Donna does in the final episode. Stop painting this picture that BPD makes you some kind of inherently selfish evil person and be grateful you don’t have to suffer from it.
I know the big hype this year was over Jamie Lee Curtis’ performance in “Everything Everywhere All At Once” but this was her best performance this year in my opinion.
It makes me think of The Bell Jar. Depression has completely taken over, she cannot have a single interaction that isn't distorted by the disease in some way to validate her belief that no one cares about her. This is what happens when you've lived with the disease for a long time, attempting to help is seen as demeaning, not attempting to help is seen as not caring about your struggle. There's basically no way you can be happy because you are impossible be satisfied.
depression often comes with BPD because of an impairment in making healthy connections with people, a need for intimacy but a fear of rejection. so they push everyone away and then feel abandoned. children of bpd moms- we get depression/anxiety big time -which is written all over his face. superb acting for both.
This was one of the toughest but rewarding hours of television this year. kinda make our Christmas dramas and mental cooks look tame by comparison. What a show!
I am the only one who hear Donna calling Carmy "Michael" at 1:51 ?.. and the way he looked at her after that, he didn't even try to correct her maybe bc he was scared of her reaction..? Very heartbreaking
Based off the family friend Uncle Jimmy, their last name, the absent dad, the mom probably dealt with the trauma of being affiliated with the Mob and this is her way of holding it together.
I have a mother like this myself, and I got flashbacks of comforting her in her everyday stress of handling hospitality in the church my dad ministered in; she felt this pressure to be a perfect minister’s wife while she had to hide her anxiety and insecurities so that people can stay happy and comfortable. Now, I have the same character my mother has, but in the restaurant industry. I don’t wish my future kids to feel burdened by what I went through. I also broke down in the part where she makes beauty happen for others, and barely anyone does so in return, where we feel we have to fix things. At the same time, we are broken by giving what little we have.
By a long shot I didn’t have a mom like this, but this was so HAUNTING to watch, that for that episode I felt like I did. She scared the hell out of me in fact!
@@lauribaldwin4262 I don't read it that way, I think she's trying to get Carmy to feel bad for her- remind him that she's the real victim in this. She refuses to acknowledge that her behavior is what drives her family apart, but actually "they're all so unfair and take me for granted".
@@cloudymccloudI felt the same way. It’s honestly interesting, her perception of what she’s doing, because I don’t actually feel like any of her children feel like she made things “beautiful” for them.
@@FeministCatwoman I dont know what kind of person she is at all. I think she seems alright to be honest. Someone that would be cool to share a beer with. I just did not realize how brilliant she was. I kind of pictured her as a B movie actress. She is not that. She is more,
It certainly resonates, but the thing is, we've clearly seen prior to this Donna aggressively and angrily pushing everyone out of the kitchen, refusing any attempts at help, and at times vocally insulting people who are trying to. So yes, her grief is real, and felt by many people who put effort into things and feel undervalued, but at the same time, Donna is being willfully ignorant here. People want to help her, and she won't let them. And then she rages about how no one helps.
That’s what many narcissistic mothers say. There’s no pleasing them no matter how hard you try, nothing will ever be good enough. That’s in her own mind.
I was mostly okay until she said this line. It just reminds me of my mom growing up and how she tried her damndest to make the perfect holiday or perfect family event for her side of the family and it went unappreciated. Looking back, it breaks my heart so much. But these days, I'm happy to say that me & my siblings have taken the reigns and now she doesn't have to do anything but sit & watch her favorite movies while me & my sisters cook holiday dinners.
I used to feel sorry for people like her. I used to be like her. It must be hereditary my mom and her mom; we're all the same. Thankfully, my daughter saved me. She told me that unless I changed, I couldn't come over to see my grandkids. At first, I felt rejected. Then I realized she was right. I had no right to be so selfish and controlling. She does things differently than me. It's a new generation. She wants to live her own life. I'm proud of her and my grandkids. I'm happy to say that today I can see the good in everything and everyone if I make the effort. And it's worth it. I'm finally content❤
@@JonCapuchinoComparing this performance to her performance in EEAAO says more about her range than anything -that she can play a character who absolutely steals the screen and immerses the audience completely, while also being able to play a side character that mainly exists to bolster the main characters and to provide comic relief.
I think Jamie finally figured out her talent. For years she been just playing versions of herself. Now she is creating characters and blowing everyone away. I see her doing more drama in the future and a second Oscar win.
I think the saddest thing about mental illness is the feeling of desperation. So many people turn to drugs and alcohol to modify their manic thoughts and emotions. Once they experience the high, they associate that with happiness. They feel "normal." They keep chasing that feeling through substances. The reality is, feelings of fear, sadness, anxiety, and anger are all "normal." We ALL need to find ways to manage them. Some people may need medication. Some of us just learn to use our minds to remain calm and stay in control. It's hard work but it builds mental strength. The brain is the most powerful part of the body. More powerful than muscle. The mind controls the body❤
DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender. It's a tactic abusive people use to gaslight (not just lying about something - actually making you question reality and your interpretation of it) their victims. When you set a boundary or point out some way in which they're mistreating you, they will: 1. Deny they did it. "No, that didn't happen. It's not true." 2. Attack you for pointing out their wrongdoings. "Stop lying. You're such a liar. No-one can trust anything you say." 3. Recast themselves as the victim and their actual victim as the offender. "I can't believe you're doing this to me. Why are you always so difficult/cruel? It's so hard being your [insert relation], we always have to tiptoe around you because we're afraid you're going to blow up and start yelling at us." It's a calculated technique to gaslight you into shutting up and staying quiet so they can continue to abuse you. I hope this helps someone suffering through an abusive relationship, or maybe spot abusive people in their own life they didn't realise were abusive.
This scene either makes you feel pity for her or incredibly angry at her. I can’t tell if she genuinely feels this way or if it’s just validation or maybe both. Especially when she tells him she had to beg him to come home, THAT WAS ALL HER FAULT! These kinds of people will never accept responsibility for anything that they do to make their families move away and never talk to them again.
JLC's character is my mom to a T, and you hit the nail on the head. People with BPD/NPD walk around with the mentality that things just happen to them and that they're in no way responsible for the damaged relationships they have with others. It's always the other person's fault yet they're the common denominator in all of the conflicts.
@@AYOLOSUBMARINEbut I don’t think she has full blown NPD though. She def has narcissistic tendencies but she’s self aware and was very ashamed of herself in the final episode. People are alot more complex than selfish/selfless.
I always thought she was more borderline personality disorder than narcissistic personality disorder. She borders the emotions of emotional pity and grandiose self persona, making you want to console her while simultaneously letting her walk all over you. It creates a vicious cycle of push-pull that does not end and only makes those around her even more confused searching for the validation they will never get.
I know right! But i think for this years Emmy’s the cast and crew won for their work in Season 1, not Season 2? If this is the case, she better be nominate next Emmy’s! Idk I’m still confused but someone fact-check this pls
This just gives me chills every time. It's very close to home for a lot of people. She must intimately know someone who has mental illness because she nailed it in this episode and her season 3 episode as well. Spot on.
Growing up with an alcoholic bipolar mother this made me so uncomfortable with how accurate this is. Just the inability to be happy and to do the opposite of what you want, the completely unhinged emotions... She deserves an emmy for this
UN FKN BELIEVABLY AMAZING PERFORMANCE. I had no idea JLC was this good. So many layers to what is great about this. Just wow. As an actor (small time, comparitively speaking, but I do know the craft), I can say that this is Oscar worthy work. Or at least SAG Awards (since Oscars are for movies...) Amazing.
When Donna snapped at Sugar and scared Tf outta her with the gun comment, that was so visceral and sad and I immediately thought about Mikey which made me sadder. I really wanted to hug Sugar after that so big ups for Steve
I listened to this episode rather than watched it as screen went! But it was still so effective and raw. It actually made the acting even more real and emotional
I can't get over how fantastic this episode is. I rewatched it twice since it came out. It's so stressful and sad but I can't help coming back to it every once in a while. Jamie Lee Curtis takes the cake. But Jon, Bob and Jeremy were great, too.
I'll be fifty soon and since I was four years old I have watched JLC many times, she has been with me all my life and has never once disappointed me. She is the best and just keeps getting better.
Wow! Jaime can REALLY peg raw emotions! It all started with a 19-year-old portraying the terror of a cornered Laurie Strode who fought back her attacker. She feels what her characters feel and brings the viewer along for the ride. What a gifted actor!
Because of the release date of the bear, they are staggered in their Emmy nominations. They won in 2023 for the first season (2022). This year they will be nominated for season 2 (2023)
She chooses her roles so well. I love her in "Everything Everywhere All at Once", and her performance here is simply masterfull (what a killing episode btw). Anyways, she is performing at her best now, she refuses to rest on her laurels
Donna is such a good character because I hate her lol. Jamie Lee Curtis is killing it as usual. Between having a suspected BPD mom and working in a kitchen this show stresses me out so much.
The moment she calls him "Michael" and don't realize (but Carmy does) it's the moment he understands the conversation until that point. Beautiful acting.
My mom can be like this, especially drunk. I love her and want her to be happy, but there are sometimes she becomes this person and it’s haunting when you are in that position where you seriously cannot do anything about it.
I definitely see both sides. I see the mother’s side and the kid’s side. I have been that kid. Totally get how the mother is an extreme character. I am sure there is bit of the mother in me at 60 making the holiday dinners, making it beautiful. I need red nails now. It’s complicated. I honor all opinions.
If you need us, we'll be sobbing over this scene.
The second act of Jamie Lee Curtis’ career has been nothing short of spectacular
technically third, she's had her teenage phase, adult and now middle age.
@@FrancisBurns Her "middle age" was 20 years ago when she was making films like Freaky Friday. She's in her grandmother phase now
Borderlands
@@CamaradaVtuber That was a blip, a movie done during Covi-d. Cate Blanchett's still awesome and so is JLC
This is so scary how one moment she’s distraught and begging him to stay with her and in a second she’s angry with him to the point that it seems she’s going to fight him.
No wonder Carmy is already so stressed out. What a horrible environment to grow up in
That’s how it is
A BPD mom.
Michelle tried telling him he needs to get the hell out and he wouldn't listen. He was blowing her off. She even said he can stay with her. She's the realest one for that.
@@TechOutAdam i mean, he eventually did go to ny tho
@@effieclare People with other mental disorders also might have meltdowns like this. It's not just BPD.
Jamie reminded me so much of my own mother with BPD and Narcissistic tendencies that it made me physically ill watching her in this episode. This episode and this series is so incredibly human
Oh my god, yes. I cried and I cried.
Same here. I could see a lot of myself in Michael, Carmy, and most importantly, Sugar when it comes to interacting with my mother.
Same. I was shaking. I turned to my partner, who has never met my mother as I've cut her off (he only knows of fragments including how she threatened to crash my late father's funeral and force her bizarre "condolences" on us) and said, "If you ever wondered what it was like growing up in my home, I was Sugar and mom was Jamie Lee."
He got very quiet and sad.
Mine too and I had the same reaction. This episode was such an incredible feat.
I feel as I came from Quote on Quote normal parents after this
“I make things beautiful for them, and no one makes things beautiful for me” give her the Emmy right now!!!
I teared up & got the chills when she said that.
She won her Emmy
This scene is so realistic so many children have to treat their parents like there are children. It is exhausting and poor Carmy he can't even register his own feelings, but he has to regulate his drunken mother's. Poor Carmy 😩
After meeting his mom, it makes so much more sense why Carmy is the way he is. She is broken.
She is broken sounds good on paper. Is horrible to live with. And cannot be helped. And I hate her, I despise her. She did a good job playing BPD family member.
That “do we have a problem” ran cold through Carmy’s veins! It was almost like he was afraid of her in that instant. Perfect acting!
Survivors of abusers are afraid. The backlash of verbal abuse is SO STRONG.
This scene is expertly performed.
mine too
WTF... *I* was afraid of her, terrified, in that moment, from hundreds of miles away and a different reality lol. To me it spoke to the years of physical and mental abuse she no doubt put all her kids thru, which almost certainly paled in comparison to the horrible abuse her parents likely put her thru a generation before
One of the best episodes of any TV show ever
This, forks and the final episode are something.
@@Uomodargillayou are speaking my language! All of those were magic
GIVE HER THE EMMY!!
Not even nominated :(
@@asbrozek64that’s because the first season is only nominated right now. Next year
@@drewperk sick
Also realistically it’d nonsense to nominate an actress for just one episode of a whole series
There is an Emmy award for guest performance.. @@nicholasbenitez8453
Curtis gave the performance of her lifetime. One of the best episodes ever on tv, and the most intense.
Jamie was amazing this episode, She was so believable as the psychotic mom, Her character needs her own show of her just having meltdowns
Kind of shocking to see her pull this performance out of the bag. I watch a lot of TV. This show has some of the best acted scenes of any show put on film. Period.
Being mentally ill is not necessarily/automatically being psychotic.
Urggh just this short scene is triggering me. She absolutely nailed the covert narcissism using victimhood to manipulate.
🎯
Jfc. My heart goes out to everyone who has a parent like this.
Her mom and dad are applauding her from the other side because that was an amazing performance. She a talented actress and a wonderful human being.
JAMIE LEE CURTIS ATE THIS EPISODE, OMG SO MUCH TRIGGERING 😢
The sad thing is, parents that act like this will only inevitably spend their last few years alone, with their children trying to stay away from the drama until their parent finally dies.
Yeah as much as they hurt other people, they're actually victims of themselves too. You'd think people with this personality disorder is going out of their to ruin everyone's mood and feelings on purpose.. But they're actually feeling exactly the way they're acting and lashing out. Its like storm going on inside them that nobody recognizes.
That sounds stupid. The mother is hurting and dealing with things you can’t understand.
@@flowersforme375 the mother is dealing with her own mental illness and emotional instability. These types are incapable of admitting their own flaws and never self-reflect. In their mind things just happen to them and they're in no way responsible for the way their life has turned out.
@@AYOLOSUBMARINE The shame the mother felt not entering the party shows she has some accountability.
@@AYOLOSUBMARINEyea, that’s what having a MENTAL ILLNESS does genius. My dad is like this and he’s a great man who does self reflect when he’s not manic the same way Donna does in the final episode. Stop painting this picture that BPD makes you some kind of inherently selfish evil person and be grateful you don’t have to suffer from it.
I know the big hype this year was over Jamie Lee Curtis’ performance in “Everything Everywhere All At Once” but this was her best performance this year in my opinion.
Agreed!!
It makes me think of The Bell Jar. Depression has completely taken over, she cannot have a single interaction that isn't distorted by the disease in some way to validate her belief that no one cares about her. This is what happens when you've lived with the disease for a long time, attempting to help is seen as demeaning, not attempting to help is seen as not caring about your struggle. There's basically no way you can be happy because you are impossible be satisfied.
This isn't depression, it's BPD or some other Type 2 personality disorder.
this is me. guess I'm fkd
The worst part is when you are someone like me who has tried everything for literally over half of my lifetime and not even remotely better.
depression often comes with BPD because of an impairment in making healthy connections with people, a need for intimacy but a fear of rejection. so they push everyone away and then feel abandoned. children of bpd moms- we get depression/anxiety big time -which is written all over his face. superb acting for both.
Definitely not just depression, she’s textbook cluster b.
The best representation of BPD I've seen in any media, ever.
Borderline? My ex was borderline and this is very real
what does BPD means?
@jorgeflores4928 borderline personality disorder
Jamie Lee Curtis, thank you for playing this role. I felt like a child again. The double binding trauma of a parent like this.
This was one of the toughest but rewarding hours of television this year. kinda make our Christmas dramas and mental cooks look tame by comparison. What a show!
I love Jamie Lee Curtis and am so glad she didn't mess up her face like so many other actors. She looks beautiful!!! ❤❤❤ What a talent that woman is.
An unforgettable performance. Speaks to so many children you've been raised by mentally ill and abusive parents
So accurate it brings tears to eyes to be honest
I am the only one who hear Donna calling Carmy "Michael" at 1:51 ?.. and the way he looked at her after that, he didn't even try to correct her maybe bc he was scared of her reaction..? Very heartbreaking
I could’ve sworn she was saying “I’ll go” until I replayed it multiple times 😭 wild
I can't imagine what it's like being in that family, They are all emotionally disturbed
Over what? Where does all the trauma come from? The Dad?
@@samanthab1923
They never explained it, Hopefully next season
@@TihetrisWeathersby Thanks 👋
Based off the family friend Uncle Jimmy, their last name, the absent dad, the mom probably dealt with the trauma of being affiliated with the Mob and this is her way of holding it together.
@@samanthab1923 A mother with some sort of Cluster B personality disorder will certainly bring a lot of trauma into the family
The freakin range this woman has😍👏🏽is just wow…
I have a mother like this myself, and I got flashbacks of comforting her in her everyday stress of handling hospitality in the church my dad ministered in; she felt this pressure to be a perfect minister’s wife while she had to hide her anxiety and insecurities so that people can stay happy and comfortable. Now, I have the same character my mother has, but in the restaurant industry. I don’t wish my future kids to feel burdened by what I went through.
I also broke down in the part where she makes beauty happen for others, and barely anyone does so in return, where we feel we have to fix things. At the same time, we are broken by giving what little we have.
Totally feel this
By a long shot I didn’t have a mom like this, but this was so HAUNTING to watch, that for that episode I felt like I did. She scared the hell out of me in fact!
When she says “I make this beautiful for them and no one makes things beautiful for me”, that broke me. 😢
All moms feel that way sometimes
@@lauribaldwin4262 I don't read it that way, I think she's trying to get Carmy to feel bad for her- remind him that she's the real victim in this. She refuses to acknowledge that her behavior is what drives her family apart, but actually "they're all so unfair and take me for granted".
@@cloudymccloudI felt the same way. It’s honestly interesting, her perception of what she’s doing, because I don’t actually feel like any of her children feel like she made things “beautiful” for them.
Its called guilt tripping
Total narc mom. Total martyr and absolute nightmare. Can never let anyone enjoy anything. A complete nightmare.
Jamie Lee Curtis killed this! GOAT. Emmy please. No discussion!
Seriously! 100% Emmy! Jamie Lee Curtis ages as an actress like fine wine clearly! She’s amazing! I felt every moment of her scenes!
I thought Jamie Lee Curtis didn’t really deserve the oscars, but seeing this episode oh wow. She’s so freaking good 😮👏🏻
I never had much respect for Jamie Lee Curtis as an actress. But after watching this.......her role in this show. This woman is brilliant.
She is great in Everything Everywhere all at Once.❤
She’s great in comedies like True Lies and A Fish Called Wanda, but comedies never get the same kind of love
I'm sure she can retire from acting and live in peace now knowing that she finally has your "respect".
I don't have any respect for her as a person, and even I admit that she does have some talent when it comes to acting.
@@FeministCatwoman I dont know what kind of person she is at all. I think she seems alright to be honest. Someone that would be cool to share a beer with. I just did not realize how brilliant she was. I kind of pictured her as a B movie actress. She is not that. She is more,
Carmy's reaction to that slap was devastating. Jamie is a goddess.
That was a love slap. Anyone who grew up in a non-coddling household would recognize that
No
Jamie Lee Curtis was phenomenal in this episode OMG
My God! This episode and performance were breathtaking! JLC seriously killed it! Emmyyyyy!
never has a show made me feel anxious like this episode did
“ I make things beautiful for them, no one makes things beautiful for me.” That’s a powerful statement for so many mothers.
It certainly resonates, but the thing is, we've clearly seen prior to this Donna aggressively and angrily pushing everyone out of the kitchen, refusing any attempts at help, and at times vocally insulting people who are trying to.
So yes, her grief is real, and felt by many people who put effort into things and feel undervalued, but at the same time, Donna is being willfully ignorant here. People want to help her, and she won't let them. And then she rages about how no one helps.
That’s what many narcissistic mothers say. There’s no pleasing them no matter how hard you try, nothing will ever be good enough. That’s in her own mind.
I was mostly okay until she said this line. It just reminds me of my mom growing up and how she tried her damndest to make the perfect holiday or perfect family event for her side of the family and it went unappreciated. Looking back, it breaks my heart so much. But these days, I'm happy to say that me & my siblings have taken the reigns and now she doesn't have to do anything but sit & watch her favorite movies while me & my sisters cook holiday dinners.
@@gedbeat15 You're a good kid❤
I used to feel sorry for people like her. I used to be like her. It must be hereditary my mom and her mom; we're all the same. Thankfully, my daughter saved me. She told me that unless I changed, I couldn't come over to see my grandkids. At first, I felt rejected. Then I realized she was right. I had no right to be so selfish and controlling. She does things differently than me. It's a new generation. She wants to live her own life. I'm proud of her and my grandkids. I'm happy to say that today I can see the good in everything and everyone if I make the effort. And it's worth it. I'm finally content❤
Jamie Lee Curtis gave a better performance here than in Everything Everywhere All At Once
well yeah, she wasnt necessarily a focus in that film, it surrounded Joy Evelyn and Waymond while she was a mostly comedic side character
@@JonCapuchinoComparing this performance to her performance in EEAAO says more about her range than anything -that she can play a character who absolutely steals the screen and immerses the audience completely, while also being able to play a side character that mainly exists to bolster the main characters and to provide comic relief.
It's like she's proving that she deserved an oscar even if it wasn't for that role
This. Wholly agree!
I think Jamie finally figured out her talent. For years she been just playing versions of herself. Now she is creating characters and blowing everyone away. I see her doing more drama in the future and a second Oscar win.
Jamie Lee is one of the best actresses of our time.
Literally just a scene of a guy talking to him mom in a kitchen, and it gets more tense than anything I've seen on TV in some time.
I think the saddest thing about mental illness is the feeling of desperation. So many people turn to drugs and alcohol to modify their manic thoughts and emotions. Once they experience the high, they associate that with happiness. They feel "normal." They keep chasing that feeling through substances. The reality is, feelings of fear, sadness, anxiety, and anger are all "normal." We ALL need to find ways to manage them. Some people may need medication. Some of us just learn to use our minds to remain calm and stay in control. It's hard work but it builds mental strength. The brain is the most powerful part of the body. More powerful than muscle. The mind controls the body❤
Jamie lee Curtis is an amazing actress. ❤
DARVO stands for Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim & Offender.
It's a tactic abusive people use to gaslight (not just lying about something - actually making you question reality and your interpretation of it) their victims.
When you set a boundary or point out some way in which they're mistreating you, they will:
1. Deny they did it. "No, that didn't happen. It's not true."
2. Attack you for pointing out their wrongdoings. "Stop lying. You're such a liar. No-one can trust anything you say."
3. Recast themselves as the victim and their actual victim as the offender. "I can't believe you're doing this to me. Why are you always so difficult/cruel? It's so hard being your [insert relation], we always have to tiptoe around you because we're afraid you're going to blow up and start yelling at us."
It's a calculated technique to gaslight you into shutting up and staying quiet so they can continue to abuse you.
I hope this helps someone suffering through an abusive relationship, or maybe spot abusive people in their own life they didn't realise were abusive.
Jamie legendary actress is everything she does 🔥 ❤
The whole episode was something out of this world. Another level of sitting on the edge of my sofa
Jamie is a National treasure
This scene either makes you feel pity for her or incredibly angry at her. I can’t tell if she genuinely feels this way or if it’s just validation or maybe both.
Especially when she tells him she had to beg him to come home,
THAT WAS ALL HER FAULT!
These kinds of people will never accept responsibility for anything that they do to make their families move away and never talk to them again.
JLC's character is my mom to a T, and you hit the nail on the head.
People with BPD/NPD walk around with the mentality that things just happen to them and that they're in no way responsible for the damaged relationships they have with others. It's always the other person's fault yet they're the common denominator in all of the conflicts.
@@AYOLOSUBMARINEbut I don’t think she has full blown NPD though. She def has narcissistic tendencies but she’s self aware and was very ashamed of herself in the final episode. People are alot more complex than selfish/selfless.
I always thought she was more borderline personality disorder than narcissistic personality disorder. She borders the emotions of emotional pity and grandiose self persona, making you want to console her while simultaneously letting her walk all over you. It creates a vicious cycle of push-pull that does not end and only makes those around her even more confused searching for the validation they will never get.
Anyone who pities her is probably her in their own family.
This Ep definitely pissed me off. Especially with her playing victim in situations she created. I feel bad for micky, Carly, and nat.😢😢😢
The guest stars on the show are incredible.
Now this is where Jamie Lee Curtis deserves an award!
And she won an Emmy!
Wow, jamie lee..best performance ..
Truly one of the best single episodes of TV i've ever seena nd I have seen a TON!
Jamie Lee Curtis not being nominated for an Emmy for this incredible performance is beyond insane!
I know right! But i think for this years Emmy’s the cast and crew won for their work in Season 1, not Season 2? If this is the case, she better be nominate next Emmy’s! Idk I’m still confused but someone fact-check this pls
Um, she won an Emmy for this episode.
Absolutely incredible performance. JLC left it all on the table in this episode. No pun intended.
This just gives me chills every time. It's very close to home for a lot of people. She must intimately know someone who has mental illness because she nailed it in this episode and her season 3 episode as well. Spot on.
1:19 “I make things beautiful for them, and no one makes things beautiful for me”
Growing up with an alcoholic bipolar mother this made me so uncomfortable with how accurate this is. Just the inability to be happy and to do the opposite of what you want, the completely unhinged emotions... She deserves an emmy for this
UN FKN BELIEVABLY AMAZING PERFORMANCE. I had no idea JLC was this good. So many layers to what is great about this. Just wow. As an actor (small time, comparitively speaking, but I do know the craft), I can say that this is Oscar worthy work. Or at least SAG Awards (since Oscars are for movies...) Amazing.
this whole episode was so great. perfect portrayal of a borderline/narc parent. you love them but they've also given you lifelong trauma.
This episode made me feel like I was back home again :/
Having grown up with a manic bipolar depressive mom… this not only made me tear up a bit but has made me put this show on my watch list.
When Donna snapped at Sugar and scared Tf outta her with the gun comment, that was so visceral and sad and I immediately thought about Mikey which made me sadder. I really wanted to hug Sugar after that so big ups for Steve
Wow! What am authentic performance by Jaime Lee Curtis. She really got the character's suffering.
For anyone raised up North . NY , Michigan etc this is a perfect depiction of our dysfunctional childhoods with crazy mothers . Gives me chills
Illinois girl here. My heart was pounding during this one...
I'm British and my mum was similar to her but also worse
If this scene qualified to be in the Oscar’s then she definitely would’ve won and I actually would’ve been happy.
I felt so bad for Carmie when she called him Michael.
oh my god i totally missed this
Good catch!
I’m still crying over this episode 😢
WOW! I felt her pain, brought me to tears. Have/had many friends with mental illness 3 took their lives. Sad
I listened to this episode rather than watched it as screen went! But it was still so effective and raw. It actually made the acting even more real and emotional
I'm definitely not asking my mum if she's ok anytime soon 😮
Your mom is like this?
Am I Okay! Am I OKAY!!!
I was literally terrified to be in the same room as my mum lmao
I can't get over how fantastic this episode is. I rewatched it twice since it came out. It's so stressful and sad but I can't help coming back to it every once in a while. Jamie Lee Curtis takes the cake. But Jon, Bob and Jeremy were great, too.
I'll be fifty soon and since I was four years old I have watched JLC many times, she has been with me all my life and has never once disappointed me. She is the best and just keeps getting better.
She's a good actor
Wow! Jaime can REALLY peg raw emotions! It all started with a 19-year-old portraying the terror of a cornered Laurie Strode who fought back her attacker. She feels what her characters feel and brings the viewer along for the ride. What a gifted actor!
I'm very surprised she did not get an Emmy nomination for her guest role on The Bear.
Because of the release date of the bear, they are staggered in their Emmy nominations. They won in 2023 for the first season (2022). This year they will be nominated for season 2 (2023)
vulnerability followed by tough love followed by more vulnerability. that is how u capture someone falling apart on screen
The power our mothers have over us.
Wow Jamie is awesome ❤
She chooses her roles so well. I love her in "Everything Everywhere All at Once", and her performance here is simply masterfull (what a killing episode btw). Anyways, she is performing at her best now, she refuses to rest on her laurels
that's literally my mother to a tee, the accuracy is incredible
Give her the Emmy
Amazing acting.
This is so real. I can relate so much with my own experience with my mom 😢
her performance gives off a tuned up act of Gena Rowlands' character in A Woman Under the Influence
Yes!
Best acting ever,
It took me 10 minutes to realise that this was JLC. She did a fantastic job. ❤
TERRIFYINGLY GOOOOODD. REAL GOOD. EMMY!
Jamie Lee Curtis stole the show this episode, this is my favorite episode of the bear.
Donna is such a good character because I hate her lol. Jamie Lee Curtis is killing it as usual. Between having a suspected BPD mom and working in a kitchen this show stresses me out so much.
By far, one of the most "real" scenes I've ever seen.
Two of my favorite actors ❤
The moment she calls him "Michael" and don't realize (but Carmy does) it's the moment he understands the conversation until that point. Beautiful acting.
How was she not nominated for an Emmy?
This year’s Emmy noms was for last season not this season.
My mom can be like this, especially drunk. I love her and want her to be happy, but there are sometimes she becomes this person and it’s haunting when you are in that position where you seriously cannot do anything about it.
Jaime Lee Curtis 💯 🐐 !
I feel like the emmys need to enter this show into the drama category cause it really does scream DRAMA
The acting is next level. Mental illness is no fuckin joke.
I definitely see both sides. I see the mother’s side and the kid’s side. I have been that kid. Totally get how the mother is an extreme character. I am sure there is bit of the mother in me at 60 making the holiday dinners, making it beautiful. I need red nails now. It’s complicated. I honor all opinions.