*As always, thanks to our friend Iker for his help and simulation which provides a good point of view from the aircraft's side. Congrats to the pilots and controllers involved!!*
That tower controller was a freaking angel there getting this guy inbound. Very alert and had the entire situation under control. Props to her! Serious props for sure.
I was impressed by her magnificent situational awareness, demonstrated by her recognition that the tight turn with one engine might be challenging, and offering an alternative runway before the flight deck had thought of it; and her thorough briefing of any potentially conflicting traffic. Edit: and also demonstrated by her recognition that the flight deck might be a little bit too busy to faff around with a frequency change.
That is honestly a pretty large SA loss by the crew IMO. As they are turning ~130 heading they call that they're staring a downwind for 4L (4:00), while it's really a downwind for 31L/R. That right turn is continued to ~040 heading, which sets them up on the controller noted 3.0 mi xtrk deviation from a 4L final (5:00). They "fix" it with the right turn back to ~130 and south maneuvering to align for the visual to 31L. I think this drives the point home that emergency returns at airfields with with multiple departing/arriving runways needs to be thought out and briefed.
People that 'fear' flying should listen to the audio from incidents like this to reassure them that we are safely in the hands of the absolute best, most qualified personnel available handling ATC and Flight Crews. Honestly makes me proud to listen to the professionalism of these folks. . .
Absolutely. The only minor thing I think, as a young pilot (CPL/IRME, not experienced airline pilot - yet), would make it even more perfect would be to go a little easier on the crew with traffic information. I understand that she was providing it all « by the book » & to probably comply with her own rules as an ATC. I also understand it’s a busy airspace. But my feeling/view (it is entirely debatable) is that it was a little too much. The crew must have been pretty busy, so the long, detailed messages must have been challenging to listen & respond to. Plus, when it involves traffic, even though ‘communicate’ comes last, it’s not like they can disregard it completely either. All this while performing real life after takeoff emergency procedures, red items, engine securing procedures for the emergency return, etc. And don’t forget, they declared an emergency, they are the full priority. My view on this is that other aircrafts now need to look out for them (with ATC getting them out of the way in controlled airspaces, which ATC perfectly did here), more than the other way around 🙂
The lady of the ATC handling this situation was very professional, calm, and re-assuring for the pilot, and made all possible to reduce pressure on the pilot. Very well done.
Seriously, who would give this a thumbs down? It was professionally done. People with VASAviation, the tower controller, the other aircrew members, AARF, what's not to like?
I am a mere Air / Ground Radio operator at my local Airfield in the UK. . . ( Used to be ATC ) I am not allowed to give instructions of any kind to Pilots. . . just information on runway in use. . .. Altimeter setting. . .and that's it.. . .Terrifying really. . .and I don't get paid. . . .(That's the worst part) BUT at least I can abuse them on the Radio ( Tee Hee )
VASAviation AND Iker, another fine video par excellence! There but for the grace of God go the dozens of aircraft with bird strikes affecting only one engine! No one wants to follow in Sully’s shoes because you cannot improve on his score. Well done, all around with grace under pressure.
What happens to the flight crew after this type of emergency? Is their entire schedule for the day cancelled now? I assume they are tied up for hours with paperwork and questions?
Dee Anna Depends. Debrief and FAA won't restrict you to the ground, but company probably will keep you at a hotel for the day. They'll cancel all flights that can't be accommodated unless it was going to a hub in which case they may have a backup.
Great video as always ! Can you find the record of the easyJet Toulouse-Paris that have been rerouted to a closed airport due to heavy storm on paris ? Sound interesting.
Not sure I could be an airline pilot. Maybe a small charter plane(6-10 passengers) I could do. I’ve never been in a super bad emergency situation but I think I could handle it without panicking.
Don't be bloody Silly man. . .after you have got 100 hours of flight training under your belt,. . . you'll think you own the Sky. . . like ever student Pilot does. . . .
zach burke - The smaller twin engine airplanes are harder to fly on one engine than the bigger jets. Specialy those 6-10 passengers piston engine "old fashion twins'. Im a CFI. Jets have a lot of residual power to safely climb well, many automatic safety systems, you have a helper on your side reminding you what to do always, and he takes care of the radio and navigation help too while you fly the airplane ONLY and nothing else. I have 4 engine fails on take off on piston twins. All landed without a copilot on my side. Very hard to do it.
I'm just getting into this stuff so sorry in advance for my question. Don't they normally dump fuel before making an emergency landing? Especially right after Take Off? Or does it depend on the type of the aircraft?
They close a runway until everything is clear of it, and that there are no bits and pieces of airplane junk on the runway to affect other flights. . that's what killed all the Crew and passengers on the French Concorde. .. a tyre picked up some FOD which penetrated a fuel tank and that crash ended the Concord project. . .
ATC were above and beyond. Before I ask this let me make clear that I'm not in any way, shape or form questioning the pilots, nor am I doubting the seriousness of a bird strike. Pilots were textbook - gave themselves altitude, communicated early, did not attempt questionable manouevres nor making the flight longer than necesary just for the sake of implementing plan A. But is it just me or did this bird strike seem to cause the aircraft more problems than usual for a situation where one engine is hit?
What problems exactly? I did not notice any problems, to be honest. Remember the workload always go up in situations like this, and they likely had a number of checklist items to work.
Standard operating procedure mate. . .if ONE of your TWO engines is damaged,. . you must land as soon as practicable. Even i t had been an Airbus A340 ( Four Engines ) they would still have aborted the flight and returned ASAP to the departure point. OR, the closest Airport.
Did the approach meet all stable approach criteria? Would the runway change and everyone having to reorganize make them less likely to go missed and start over if it was unstable?
@@dontspikemydrink9382 Sully was a good movie, but its Hollywooded a bit. Plus Sully is kind of a tool in the industry and hasn't really helped in a good way
I’m not a pilot.. is it no longer an issue making a turn towards a dead engine? I thought it was something you didn’t do.. I was surprised he was given a left turn instruction after informing the tower he lost number 1.. is number 1 still considered the left engine?? Sorry for the uneducated question.. 😁
There is more thrust from the working engine and that causes a tendency to turn towards the side of the failed engine. So left engine failure means tendency to turn left. This makes left turns easy and right turns harder. Still possible unless something else is broken, the planes are designed to fly without trouble when the only problem is one engine failed.
The 'NEVER TURN TOWARDS THE DEAD ENGINE' rule is specifically aimed at pilots of Light Twin Propeller driven aircraft,. . . if you turn towards the 'Dead' Engine,. . then you may lose control of the airplane, as it will not have the power available to maintain balanced flight on one engine. This condition only really applies to Light Twins, and NOT to Airliners like the Airbus and other Marques who have had to PROVE that their machines can safely complete a trans continental flight on only ONE engine. ( BUT. . .they don't wanna do it. . cuz the fuel cost ( Due to the unbalanced assymetric aerodynamic loading. . .. ignore this. . .it's highly technical ) ) would be horrendous. and it's all about the MONEY. . . ) On Early American 'Twin' engined aircraft; all the generators etc, were attached to the LEFT engine ( ? ) and this was why it was called the 'critical' engine.
I also picked it up... sounded firm (not hostile). Also, unless the other pilot was NOT following procedures, it does not follow the Airbus philosophy/flow. With an engine failure/fire/hi vibration etc... you will usually get the following line on the ECAM: ENG 1 - FAIL/FIRE etc... THR LEVER (ENG 1)......................IDLE (PF - Confirm Engine 1 Idle?
Borax If the runway is long enough, like 31L at Kilo-Echo, a departure can easily make it with room to spare. Also, with arrivals on 4L, that avoids having to coordinate arrivals and departures on intersecting runways. Everyone gets out and in faster, with minimal loss of safety
ATC was nice and helpful... except... her job is to move everyone out of emergency aircraft’s way. She shouldn’t be burdening them with traffic positions meaning they have to waste time focussing on that. And then becoming responsible for visual separation. They have declared an emergency so move everyone out if their way. I’d love to hear the CVR and see how much time they likely wasted identifying traffic as described rather than dealing with their issue and checklists.
I get what you mean but let's not frivolously throw that out. Water landing actually has a extremely high fatality rate. Just because Sully did it doesn't mean the next pilot will execute it perfectly too.
Bit of a stupid thing to say even though a water landing is a scenario that is trained for over and over it's still a huge risk and the Hudson is a very busy tidal river with some strong currents it's not something an airliner should be landing on and they can sink quick. Then there's the issue of getting 100s of people off the plane and onto dry land the passengers and crew on Sullys aircraft were lucky the pleasure craft were right near by with a crew competent enough to start affecting a rescue almost immediately as the FDNY, NYPD and USCG likely would of arrived to late to rescue everyone the human body wouldn't survive long in the Hudson.
Too many planes, too muxh air, water + land, sound polution. Need have to travel by ship over seas again, less chance if all the bird deaths, less bugs + desease from travels. Rather see + hear birds than plans + helicoptors
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*As always, thanks to our friend Iker for his help and simulation which provides a good point of view from the aircraft's side. Congrats to the pilots and controllers involved!!*
Mmm
That tower controller was a freaking angel there getting this guy inbound. Very alert and had the entire situation under control. Props to her! Serious props for sure.
Phoenyx 787 i think she would appreciate a turbine more, but props will do for now.
Booooooooooo
The pilot was so calm as well....
I was impressed by her magnificent situational awareness, demonstrated by her recognition that the tight turn with one engine might be challenging, and offering an alternative runway before the flight deck had thought of it; and her thorough briefing of any potentially conflicting traffic. Edit: and also demonstrated by her recognition that the flight deck might be a little bit too busy to faff around with a frequency change.
@@nielyeehk I’ll
Great job by ATC recognizing they weren't going to make the turn for 4L and pointing it out quickly so they could make alternate plans.
That lady deserves such good comments! :)
That is honestly a pretty large SA loss by the crew IMO. As they are turning ~130 heading they call that they're staring a downwind for 4L (4:00), while it's really a downwind for 31L/R. That right turn is continued to ~040 heading, which sets them up on the controller noted 3.0 mi xtrk deviation from a 4L final (5:00). They "fix" it with the right turn back to ~130 and south maneuvering to align for the visual to 31L. I think this drives the point home that emergency returns at airfields with with multiple departing/arriving runways needs to be thought out and briefed.
My impression was that the severity of the situation must have confused the pilots.
I think that controlling their plane took all their focus.
People that 'fear' flying should listen to the audio from incidents like this to reassure them that we are safely in the hands of the absolute best, most qualified personnel available handling ATC and Flight Crews. Honestly makes me proud to listen to the professionalism of these folks. . .
Kennedy Steve is proud of that girl mastering the frequency !
Absolutely.
The only minor thing I think, as a young pilot (CPL/IRME, not experienced airline pilot - yet), would make it even more perfect would be to go a little easier on the crew with traffic information.
I understand that she was providing it all « by the book » & to probably comply with her own rules as an ATC. I also understand it’s a busy airspace. But my feeling/view (it is entirely debatable) is that it was a little too much. The crew must have been pretty busy, so the long, detailed messages must have been challenging to listen & respond to. Plus, when it involves traffic, even though ‘communicate’ comes last, it’s not like they can disregard it completely either. All this while performing real life after takeoff emergency procedures, red items, engine securing procedures for the emergency return, etc.
And don’t forget, they declared an emergency, they are the full priority. My view on this is that other aircrafts now need to look out for them (with ATC getting them out of the way in controlled airspaces, which ATC perfectly did here), more than the other way around 🙂
I was gonna comment on how good that controller was. So great others noticed the same. That's a fine job she did.
Top notch professionalism. Both pilots and ATC controllers.
Holy shit! A JFK controller that was not rude. Not just that, but they were actually helpful. Wow!
The tower controller was cool, calm and collected the whole time, props to you.
That female ATC controller was awesome. Great job also Delta crew landing safely.
The lady of the ATC handling this situation was very professional, calm, and re-assuring for the pilot, and made all possible to reduce pressure on the pilot. Very well done.
Seriously, who would give this a thumbs down? It was professionally done. People with VASAviation, the tower controller, the other aircrew members, AARF, what's not to like?
Maybe family of the poor bird that lost it's life.
Prolly a democRat, they seem to hate everything and everyone....
@@KingWilhelm777 and yet, you're the one bringing them up.
Don't sweat it. The only thing that doesn't have some level of disapproval is something that doesn't exist.
Bill Clay idiot.
You can hear a party going in at ATC in the background of their calls.
Great job by everyone involved. That TWR ATC deserves a safety award for sheer professionalism & outstanding service.
4:08 'sh ... I'm pretty sure ATC is saying "let me know if you need anything else from me, hon!" lol... but seriously, she handled it like a boss!
I think it was 'in the meantime' lol
I've spent the last 5h listening to ATC comms
Roger Francisco, maintain heading, clear weather ahead, have a nice day.
Hope you've been watching my videos :D
I am a mere Air / Ground Radio operator at my local Airfield in the UK. . . ( Used to be ATC ) I am not allowed to give instructions of any kind to Pilots. . . just information on runway in use. . .. Altimeter setting. . .and that's it.. . .Terrifying really. . .and I don't get paid. . . .(That's the worst part) BUT at least I can abuse them on the Radio ( Tee Hee )
The calmness of these pilots and air traffic controllers is mindboggling to me. I'd be crying.
Absolutely perfect professionalism!
i thought it gonna be another beautiful day at Hudson River
UNABLE
but THIS AIRCRAFT HAD one OPERATIONAL engIne ! ! ! ! so, no need to land in the drink Old Chap. . .
That was indeed a day of days. . .
This airplane will turn back to pick up milk
I missed the "Souls on bord and fuel remaining" ;)
VASAviation AND Iker, another fine video par excellence! There but for the grace of God go the dozens of aircraft with bird strikes affecting only one engine! No one wants to follow in Sully’s shoes because you cannot improve on his score. Well done, all around with grace under pressure.
Love the calmness of all involved.......well done
To the geese, possible pilot deviation, we have a number for you
Some serious task saturation happening there. Not a criticism, great job actually
Great work on the video. Thanks for sharing!
This is the first time Ive heard kennedy steve in work mode, usually hes crackin jokes
We have to remember, we are in the Bird's back yard.
What happens to the flight crew after this type of emergency? Is their entire schedule for the day cancelled now? I assume they are tied up for hours with paperwork and questions?
Dee Anna Depends. Debrief and FAA won't restrict you to the ground, but company probably will keep you at a hotel for the day. They'll cancel all flights that can't be accommodated unless it was going to a hub in which case they may have a backup.
J.C. Nelson thank you!
Fantastic atc women controller so professional and calm
The coordination it takes to make a near disaster into a safe landing is insane
Are you gonna do the SAS flight from Oslo with smoke in the cabin having to make an emergency landing in Amsterdam?
I read that thumbnail as a bird taking a number one because my Reddit is brained
Love the visuals
Who is this controller? Would love to hear more of her work !
msnpassjan2004 Maybe we should call her Kennedy Eve
Great video as always ! Can you find the record of the easyJet Toulouse-Paris that have been rerouted to a closed airport due to heavy storm on paris ? Sound interesting.
Not so interesting.
ATC lady was very nice 😁
these videos are satisfying lmao
Aaaarrrggghhh . . .I bet you watch Horror movies too ? ? ? ? They ain't very satisfying to the aircrews,. . .trust me on this. . .
Burntout Aussie Didn’t really take that in account, sorry 😅. It's just the monotony and the calm voices of the atc and the pilot are satisfying.
Tower, yeah uh.... Delta2836 here, got some *light chop* need vectors back to 4L when possible, declaring emergency
Man, i will never be a pilot, I could not remain calm if something happen, I would be panic more than passengers 😂
Training, training and training helps. You would not be (that) scared after doing the drills tens or hundreds of times.
Renan Reis Lima, you got to have nerves of steel.
Not sure I could be an airline pilot.
Maybe a small charter plane(6-10 passengers) I could do.
I’ve never been in a super bad emergency situation but I think I could handle it without panicking.
Don't be bloody Silly man. . .after you have got 100 hours of flight training under your belt,. . . you'll think you own the Sky. . . like ever student Pilot does. . . .
zach burke - The smaller twin engine airplanes are harder to fly on one engine than the bigger jets. Specialy those 6-10 passengers piston engine "old fashion twins'. Im a CFI. Jets have a lot of residual power to safely climb well, many automatic safety systems, you have a helper on your side reminding you what to do always, and he takes care of the radio and navigation help too while you fly the airplane ONLY and nothing else.
I have 4 engine fails on take off on piston twins. All landed without a copilot on my side. Very hard to do it.
As I see, JFK has a lot of emergencies but they have cool people working!
Were people partying in the tower? Background noises sounded like a drinking party
@10:27 amend this, "Dleta 2836" to "Delta 2836". Btw awesome job as always!
Wow, what a major typo! Thanks btw.
Anytime!!
AND RIGHT AFTER THEY MADE THAT RIGHT TURN ON PAPA ................................. GRANDMA GOT REALLY, REALLY PISSED.
How/where can i hear atc comms (naia airport)
using mobile*
I'm just getting into this stuff so sorry in advance for my question.
Don't they normally dump fuel before making an emergency landing? Especially right after Take Off? Or does it depend on the type of the aircraft?
A319 is not able to dump fuel
Can also depend on the situation.
ATC says hun, caption says sir....lol
Who will win?
Heavy metal vehicles that are considered feats of human engineering for the past decades...
Or
One smol flying boye?
*boi
Correct answer is "nobody"
Poor bird though
Is 2-2-0 the way to turn when you hit birds? If I don’t recall it wrong that was the same heading as US 1549 got.
Coincidence
Was the pilot a bit cavalier by not communicating what he was doing? And how long do they close runway 31L?
They close a runway until everything is clear of it, and that there are no bits and pieces of airplane junk on the runway to affect other flights. . that's what killed all the Crew and passengers on the French Concorde. .. a tyre picked up some FOD which penetrated a fuel tank and that crash ended the Concord project. . .
Aviate, navigate, then communicate.
The 3-digit number under the flight no. is the flight level, right? What's the 2-digit number next to flight level?
Ground speed in tens.
Thanks!
Wonder what the passenger issue was.
carschmn someone was upset!
ATC were above and beyond.
Before I ask this let me make clear that I'm not in any way, shape or form questioning the pilots, nor am I doubting the seriousness of a bird strike. Pilots were textbook - gave themselves altitude, communicated early, did not attempt questionable manouevres nor making the flight longer than necesary just for the sake of implementing plan A.
But is it just me or did this bird strike seem to cause the aircraft more problems than usual for a situation where one engine is hit?
We don't know the exact insides of the situation.
What problems exactly? I did not notice any problems, to be honest. Remember the workload always go up in situations like this, and they likely had a number of checklist items to work.
Also note that the pilots reported unusual vibrations, so they may have had cause for greater concern and care than expected.
Standard operating procedure mate. . .if ONE of your TWO engines is damaged,. . you must land as soon as practicable. Even i t had been an Airbus A340 ( Four Engines ) they would still have aborted the flight and returned ASAP to the departure point. OR, the closest Airport.
Did the approach meet all stable approach criteria? Would the runway change and everyone having to reorganize make them less likely to go missed and start over if it was unstable?
Almost a near miss with that LAN Chile traffic at 3:18
Yes and no since they had them in sight. LAN was immediately vectored off and Delta had the LAN in sight.
those two sets of numbers under the flight identification, what are they?
Altitude/100 (in ft) and ground speed/10 (in knots). For this one, add 3 to the altitude number.
@@chrisschack9716 thanks!
*S U L L Y*
Tom Hanks just landed another role!
Have Clint Eastwood butcher a movie about this. This looked like a lot of good teamwork for the situation.
butcher? he is great
@@dontspikemydrink9382 Sully was a good movie, but its Hollywooded a bit. Plus Sully is kind of a tool in the industry and hasn't really helped in a good way
That’s what she said.
I’m not a pilot.. is it no longer an issue making a turn towards a dead engine? I thought it was something you didn’t do.. I was surprised he was given a left turn instruction after informing the tower he lost number 1.. is number 1 still considered the left engine?? Sorry for the uneducated question.. 😁
There is more thrust from the working engine and that causes a tendency to turn towards the side of the failed engine. So left engine failure means tendency to turn left. This makes left turns easy and right turns harder. Still possible unless something else is broken, the planes are designed to fly without trouble when the only problem is one engine failed.
The 'NEVER TURN TOWARDS THE DEAD ENGINE' rule is specifically aimed at pilots of Light Twin Propeller driven aircraft,. . . if you turn towards the 'Dead' Engine,. . then you may lose control of the airplane, as it will not have the power available to maintain balanced flight on one engine. This condition only really applies to Light Twins, and NOT to Airliners like the Airbus and other Marques who have had to PROVE that their machines can safely complete a trans continental flight on only ONE engine. ( BUT. . .they don't wanna do it. . cuz the fuel cost ( Due to the unbalanced assymetric aerodynamic loading. . .. ignore this. . .it's highly technical ) ) would be horrendous. and it's all about the MONEY. . . )
On Early American 'Twin' engined aircraft; all the generators etc, were attached to the LEFT engine ( ? ) and this was why it was called the 'critical' engine.
THE Main thing with any airplane is to Maintain a safe Airspeed to do what you need the machine to do.whilst keeping it flying.
We all know how this ended previously
That was at LaGuardia ;p
*Groundpound69*
How did you make this video so fast? My God.
This video has been done for some weeks but not published.
Oh, I got confused. May 31 =/= March 31. Sorry! Great work as always.
Wasn't that bird a casualty though ?
It's just a bird brained idiot, nothing of value was lost
0:48 Is it just me? The captain sounds kind of mad at his FO
I also picked it up... sounded firm (not hostile).
Also, unless the other pilot was NOT following procedures, it does not follow the Airbus philosophy/flow.
With an engine failure/fire/hi vibration etc... you will usually get the following line on the ECAM:
ENG 1 - FAIL/FIRE etc...
THR LEVER (ENG 1)......................IDLE
(PF - Confirm Engine 1 Idle?
Why do they sometimes depart at intersections instead of full length?
Borax If the runway is long enough, like 31L at Kilo-Echo, a departure can easily make it with room to spare. Also, with arrivals on 4L, that avoids having to coordinate arrivals and departures on intersecting runways. Everyone gets out and in faster, with minimal loss of safety
Kurtis Knechtel thanks!
JFK operating 4s for arrivals, 31L for departures. Those runways cross each other so KE intersection avoids that cross, therefore more operations.
delta a319 should be delta A380
A lot of engine failures and fires out of jfk
Aviation Studios A lot of aircraft out of JFK...
And a lot of big birds all over too.
I was wondering if u would make this video
And here it is!
3:38 I think the female controller is laughing ... lol
Delta 1549?
MD88Pilot lmao ^PA
Nah. . .that sound a bit Cactus to me. . . .
They're gonna end in the Hudson
게임을이름뭐에요???
Use English.
ATC was nice and helpful... except... her job is to move everyone out of emergency aircraft’s way. She shouldn’t be burdening them with traffic positions meaning they have to waste time focussing on that. And then becoming responsible for visual separation. They have declared an emergency so move everyone out if their way. I’d love to hear the CVR and see how much time they likely wasted identifying traffic as described rather than dealing with their issue and checklists.
malheureusement, je n'ai pas eu le premier commentaire
Was hoping we'll see the repeat of 1549
I get what you mean but let's not frivolously throw that out. Water landing actually has a extremely high fatality rate. Just because Sully did it doesn't mean the next pilot will execute it perfectly too.
Bit of a stupid thing to say even though a water landing is a scenario that is trained for over and over it's still a huge risk and the Hudson is a very busy tidal river with some strong currents it's not something an airliner should be landing on and they can sink quick. Then there's the issue of getting 100s of people off the plane and onto dry land the passengers and crew on Sullys aircraft were lucky the pleasure craft were right near by with a crew competent enough to start affecting a rescue almost immediately as the FDNY, NYPD and USCG likely would of arrived to late to rescue everyone the human body wouldn't survive long in the Hudson.
Too many planes, too muxh air, water + land, sound polution. Need have to travel by ship over seas again, less chance if all the bird deaths, less bugs + desease from travels. Rather see + hear birds than plans + helicoptors
Not impressed with these pilots navigation or directional skills.