*Hoping everyone is OK. Severe turbulence can be felt really bad on an aircraft!* Thanks to all those people that have reported this incident to me so that we could cover it on VASAviation.
Seems like aircraft sustained the turbulence just fine. People didn't. Lessons learned (not a first time though): Keep your seatbelts fastened at all times in aircraft even when the corresponding light is off. Unfortunately cabin crew do not have that luxurious option when turbulence is unexpected and they might be caught at very unconvenient spots, for example during service with heavy cart in aisle.
@@geekytraveler5899 which is what was part of what happened according to a video taken shortly after, showing the cart toppled over and its contents all over the people and floor around it. (twitter.com/JoeJustice0/status/1095792526609371136 ) but yeah.. seatbelts... pictures from that, dont remember what fligth it was, but i think it was in Asia somewhere.. blood all over the cabin ceiling.. ugh.. seatbelts!
@VASAviation I am VERY impressed by how quickly and how reliably you post videos after current events. I saw this flight in the news and knew you'd have a video up on it within 24 hours, just as you did for other incidents. Great job at keeping your channel topical.
That is not surprising at all. My point is that on every flight I have been on people seem to get up and move around regardless of seat belt signs and direct warnings from the crew. I was specifically referring to a flight I was on a few a few weeks ago that was almost diverted due to a passenger who was disregarding warnings. A guy said to the flight attendant after being told to return to his seat that his kid had to go to the bathroom. When the attendant said that he must return to his seat, he began to yell. When she threatened to divert the plane, he shut up.
padizzle , careful. You just admitted that you would willingly endanger your child. Child endangerment is a felony in the states. I suspect most countries have similar laws.
I was on a flight yesterday performed by Aeroflot. It looked like they were over-cautious a bit with turbulence warning. There were usual slight bumps but they forced the cabin crew to interrupt service several times and have their seats. Now I understand their feelings.
It may feel like silly bumps at the beginning but it can turn out really bad as you can see. Pilots may have an idea on what they are about to encounter but not 100% sure so better to get everyone sat down and be safe ;)
They can be very deadly. It seemed like a joke at first when I’m cabin crew training I was told if the Pilot announces severe turbulence during I had to sit on the nearest passagers lap, have them hold me while I hold the cart down- but imaging the damage a loaded international service cart flying around could do.
James Strange From the pictures, it looks like their seat belts were fastened. It looks like the injuries came from from a food serving cart that was being pushed down the aisle, that went airborne, when they hit the turbulence. Seat belts can't protect you from that. The airlines need to rethink how they serve food.
Reminds me of a wonderful flight from Japan to Hawaii coming back on emergency leave in 1978. There was only 50 in coach... in a 747. We were all placing dibs on the center seats that had arm rests that would fold up so we could lay down and sleep. It was so bad... we sat in our seats with the belts on the entire flight while the aircraft bounced around like a bumper car on a roller coaster. Really hard knocks and dropping a couple hundred feet over and over and over. The pilot did everything he could... going higher... going lower... changing course... finally gave up and said we're in for a rough flight. Felt bad for the flight attendants that had to roll the carts around serving food. And trying to eat or drink was a joke. I was never so happy to get the hell off an airplane as I was that day. The flight from Hawaii to San Francisco... as smooth as glass. The crazy part is, the aircraft I flew into Japan from Okinawa on... when on to Chicago non-stop. It landed there before I even got to Hawaii (had a 5 hour lay over for the Hawaii flight). I offered to pay the difference, but it was a military ticket and they couldn't change it. Okinawa to Japan to Hawaii to Atlanta (only flight out for hours and hours) then a puddle jumper to Nashville to Cincinnati and finally Columbus Ohio.
You are a gullible fool. Pilots like to smash their passengers and crew into the edges of the cabin for amusement and blame turbulence whenever they are given half a chance to do so. The fact that you all flocked to the middle seats confirms it. No witnesses to the sudden jerking of the aerolions (sp?) on the wings thus inviting torment.
@@jimcrelm9478 The M0R0N has spoken. The "pilots" and the rest of the crew were in the same plane I was for seven fricking hours straight idiot. You really think they would keep it up for SEVEN HOURS for a "joke" stupid.
A couple of comments. First. It was not poor communication between controllers/sectors. It was poor communication between supervisors. The information such as fuel and souls on board is passed to a supervisor who then coordinates as needed with management at other facilities. There was obviously a break down with the coordination but it was with management. Controllers will directly pass essential emergency information directly to other controllers. For example, “XXX is minimum fuel your supe should have all the other info” The controllers continuously asking the for the same information is unfortunate but I can guarantee there was a supervisor or manager standing behind the controller asking for the information. As for the need for the information, I typically would not ask for nor direct any one to ask a flight with a medical emergency for fuel or souls on board. A medical emergency is not a disabled aircraft that may crash, so the fuel and souls is irrelevant. Search and rescue wants souls so they know how many bodies to look for. Amount of fuel is helpful to know which airports are divert options and for fire fighting planning. Not big concerns with a medical emergency. In this particular case where there was possible but unknown damage to the aircraft a case can be made that this was important information. As for asking about the number of injuries six times, this was probably the only critical information needed (along with the gate. Nice to have the ambulances at the right place). Did Reno airport need one ambulance. Two? Every ambulance in the city? There was a very valid reason for trying to get the number of injuries. Lastly. This was really a quite routine operation for the controllers and the pilots. A divert in and of itself is not a real big deal. It is an added workload but it is what pilots and controllers train for. What is a big deal and what you can’t train for are the emotions. The pilots are worried about the people in back and are concentrating on not letting their worries distract them. The controllers are also uptight about injuries, while still trying to do their regular job and listen to several requests for information. In an ideal world it is all very simple. In real life with pilots worried about passengers and friends in back and also checking on the aircraft for damage (and preparing to land at a different airport) and controllers trying to work the rest of their sector plus the emergency it gets messy and is not always perfect. Bottom line is the plane received expedited handling and the controllers helped the pilots do their job, get the plane on the ground safely and as quickly as possible. Pilots and controllers did their jobs in a professional manner.
It's understandable that ATC kept asking for the number of injured, but it sounds like there was nobody in the main cabin who could provide that information. The one (apparently) uninjured flight attendant had their hands full trying to look after everyone, presumably.
The most ridiculous and unnecessary question comes from the personnel on the ground in a car on the runway asking if the flight was a diverted or original destination. It makes No Difference to that person, they don't need to know that info At All. The problem comes when little fifedoms are created, everyone's a king and must be obeyed.
As a frequently flying passenger, the most number of turbulent landings I've experienced have been at Reno; just guessing they've had their fair share of these incidents if not this dramatic. Props to sky and ground peeps for minimizing damage, etc.
I have helped treat passengers after a severe turbulence event. I was an airline employee hitching a ride. Scary situation but pilots did an amazing job. Medically trained passengers helped out as well
Had a feeling you were gonna post this one after seeing it on the news last night. Heavy turbulence is scary! Planes can be struck by lightning but hail can be devastating, like that plane last year that had its nose destroyed and the front window badly cracked. Glad to hear there were no major injuries.
Commuter flight JFK or LGA to BWI back in the early 80's during hurricane Gloria. Without warning the plane dropped a couple hundred feet. When it got wings level all but one passenger clicked their seatbelt. My buddy/ colleague was playing on the ceiling as the plane kept doing these 200' drops. Insane.
I hear about it on the news and I head here. Good job as usual. Severe turbulence is one of my biggest fears. It's always good to be reminded that they know what they are doing. But I would have been a basket case if I had been on that plane. 😱
I recently flew on a 175 out of Pasco and it was the most uneasy ride I've experienced. More drops, bumps, and jumps than the theme parks we went to on that trip!
Wow, quick upload! Good job to those pilots getting on the ground quickly and making sure passengers were taken care of! The one pilot sounded a little young but did a great job!
There are two spots in the country where turbulence is no joke: the sierras between Reno and the Bay Area & the Front Range of Colorado while heading to Denver. Some of the worst turbulence I have ever felt were in those two areas.
@@MarksTournaments I'm Australian and we have had car seat belt laws in cars since the 70's so I automatically put one on if its there, so I always have it on when i am flying.
KRNO is considered a high altitude airport. At about 4500' and in the center of a valley surrounded by several 7000' to 10,000', flights can get interesting when it gets windy. It's also home of some extreme weather with the snow in winter and then possible hot weather into the mid 90°s (35°C), so when you factor all that in, many pilots say Reno is a challenging airport.
Very good video, and very well handled by everyone, although first ATC (I think) failed to give numbers of people and fuel onboard to the tower. Or perhaps tower asked for the second time, I don't know the details and how overloaded the ATC might have been, so I'm not going to make a negative judgement on that. And they did their jobs.
Yikes! There’s a short clip floating around on Twitter (I found it via Reddit - see comment and link given here by a poster under VASAviation’s pinned comment). These folks onboard went through hell.
Wow, finally the ground controller is the only one who didn't ask for souls on board and fuel!!! Lol. And one controller struggled when he started to say the word Soul, he immediately stopped half way and asked again using person. I guess we live in a new world!
My wife was flying in a King Air down to L.A.yesterday about the same time and she said it was the worst flight she'd ever had. Mind you, they were below Class A.
I didn’t want to comment on the video I’m referring to out of respect but the 5Y3591 video doesn’t include the moment the crew ask for deviations. That’s relevant in my opinion. On the liveatc audio it’s just past minute 6.
I was diverted to Reno once. I was 1 hour out from SMF (1400 local time departure) headed to MSP for a transfer to JFK. We had smoke 💨 in the cabin. My flight from MSP to JFK departed at 1800 local time. I landed at 0000 local time. Departed the next morning at 0800 local time without incident on the same aircraft, I was exhausted 😩
Is it me or does the pilot sound exactly like Kelsey from the 74 Gear TH-cam Channel. He's a commercial pilot and the resemblance at 4:20 is uncanny. It's gotta be him.
And 1:00 is "weather readout" not "weather read up" (what is a "read up"??) and 2:27 "direct Farmington direct Reno airport" not "direct Reno airport" (Farmington / FMG direct Reno is the standard routing coming from that direction).
kewkabe - one solution would be to simply listen to the audio and ignore the captions. That would be a win/win situation. You wouldn’t feel the need to whine and we wouldn’t have to read your whining comments!
@@ashmackenzie.2763 Wow, you do know that the captions are put there for people that do not have the ability to hear well or may not know all the words being spoken since they are on radio and speak very fast at times. Your comment is not only unhelpful, it serves to underscore today's society where it's not longer "me first" but "me only" in its mentality.
ImpendingJoker - the captions are put there because the owner of the channel is providing a service. He does this every day and he has access to the same audio that we have. Rather than whining about his captions why don’t those ppl offer to help him instead? What do you propose he should do above and beyond what he offers *voluntarily*?!
The good news is that the regional trauma unit is one freeway exit north and about 1.5 miles from the airport. REMSA (our regional ambulance service) dispatched 5 ambulances if I remember correctly.
Any idea what part of the flight this would’ve happened in? I guess it would’ve been when the belts were off, so probably fairly high up, but isn’t it very unusual to have turbulence in cruise?
The Flight was en route to Seattle, I believe they were at FL340...they were only about 40-50 miles from Reno when they hit severe turbulence...so they're about 10,000ft higher than usual to make a standard descent into the airport.
Reggie San Diego Thank you, very much, for that info! It’s very much appreciated! I’ll admit I’m still fairly new to flying, only stepped on a plane maybe half a dozen times up to this point, and turbulence has never really been a factor in any of those flights. I mean hardly any of them have ever had rain, and I’d give my kingdom to fly through rain, hah. I love driving through it, and I loved flying through it, too, even if it made for a slightly bumpier ride.
The Nevada Triangle is well known to have dangerous wind patterns that have caused the loss of many small planes, including Steve Fawcett's. An Embraer jet is small enough to be affected by these Sierra wind patterns, I wonder if it is all related.
My guess(and it's a guess), it will affect what happens if they have to go missed approach, or something like that. ATC will know if they can swing them out, or vector to a close runway.
This is not to one up any of the comments. To add to the Nevada Triangle aspect... flying out of Denver in 1975 on a Continental DC-10 we experienced mild chop. It made me airsick, the only time in 54 years of flying. It must have been choppy for a DC-10 to shake a bit.
@@VASAviation Why are there two ILS approaches to the same runway, out of curiosity? I'm sure there's a good reason, but it seems like you would normally only need one ILS approach for each direction of the runway, eg one for 16R and one for 34L.
The procedure to be established on the localizer or the missed approach procedure is what is different. The ILS itself (the final approach segment to the runway) is the same.
Actually yes... and in difference to AntmanMax the most likely cause is mountain wave activity. That's high winds blowing over mountains causing a wave effect. These waves can reach 5times the highest mountain. Not far from this location the world altitude record for sailplanes was set at 46000ft. In addition to this edges of jet streams can often have clear air turbulence. This happens when the edge of a jet stream is well defined and wind speeds can change by over a hundred knots in less than a mile.
Very poor coordination/communication between ATC sectors always calling the pilots asking for POB and Fuel those informations should be given by the previous sectors before hand-off. The guys are on final after an incident just let them fly the plane.
Terrible coordination between these amateurs. I never ask questions if I'm the second or later controller to receive an emergency. I'm just there to provide assistance at that point. Supervisor can deal with getting me any answers I need, if the previous controller didn't do his or her job and inform me.
To be honest here though, the first guy was Reno TRACON which isn't co-located with Reno TOWER, so they didn't get the marked-up strip and depending on the facility and other traffic (remember, this is edited to focus on the emergency aircraft) there may not have been an actual landline call to the tower controller with that info, only that there was an emergency inbound. I don't know about Europe, but in the US, most towers are "non-radar" facilities and so they don't actually receive handoffs from the approach controllers. There is an SOP in place as to when the handoff occurs and then approach drops the track and hands off the pilot. Tower may have a repeater display to be aware of who's next, but they don't get any formal transfer or briefing for every arrival.
Souls is an easily re recognizable word that wont be confused with another term. The exact numbers of souls is for search and rescue personal count should the aircraft crash.
The fuel on board also needs to be known for fire prevention. Should the aircraft crash at the. Airport the fire department knows what they are up against regarding the amount of fuel/fire. Sometimes aircraft need to dump or burn off fuel to land. This is because a.fully loaded aircraft will be stressed should a hard landing occur and it takes much longer distance to bring it to a stop.
Crysthian Castano Thank you for clearing this up for me. I’m a newbie to the tech aspects of commercial and package flight ✈️ . This site has an extremely informed group of commenters, and I’ve always had my questions answered.
NeverforgetElvis Thank you for your answers to my questions. I’m such a newbie on the tech aspects of what can go right and go wrong for pilots and ground crews, this site has a great crowd of professionals that give answers. I’m glad I follow these guys (a Wisconsin thing). And I will NEVER forget Elvis.
What I heard was extreme concern over the passengers. It must have been frustrating for him not to be able to go into the cabin to see what happened there. He knew it was really bad and the urgency in his voice to land ASAP was very noticeable. Kudos to the pilots who brought the plane down safely and as fast as possible.
@@Cissy2cute I agree. They mention they have only 1 flight attendant still operating. That one crew had to take care of the whole cabin, including several injured people, and then prepare the whole plane for landing (well done to him/her!). You can imagine that one crew member to not have any time to keep the pilots updated, they had hardly any information.
@@DrLumpy I could not agree more. All levels of ATC seem so out of the loop and under trained these days. The boys and girls from pre-2010 did their jobs well. Not so these days.
There are (admitedly rare) cases of fatalities from turbulence. The FAA have 3 fatalities on record, and that would be just those involving aircraft in which the US had some involvement. Those most commonly injured are flight attendents (who are almost never strapped in), followed by passengers who were not wearing seatbelts.
One of the passengers who was towards the rear of the aircraft said she saw the beverage cart and one of the flight attendants hit the ceiling. Another injured passenger was reportedly in the lavatory at the time so I can imagine she hit the ceiling, too.
I remember a documented case of a woman breaking her neck and subsequently dying. I think, though I’m not sure, that she was in the lavatory and hit the ceiling pretty hard.
Probably a stupid question but why do they ask for fuel remaining in time as opposed to volume. Time would be dependent on things like altitude and speed wouldn't they?
There have been aircraft being controlled that have run out of fuel of approach. So that request helps the controller and helps the pilot keep track of their situation.
I struggle to understand how throughout this entire situation they could not get an idea on the number of injured. I do understand how they didn’t have it immediately but there’s no excuse they couldn’t at some point throughout the hour....I feel they were likely told not to declare that by the company so it wouldn’t be on the media which is inexcusable to interrupt ensuring the passengers would get the necessary attention on landing.
@@ashmackenzie.2763 Well we know her dad came on Vasa's video to thank us for the best wishes to his daughter... Its not outside the range of possibilities that the family are know subscribers. Personally, I just love coming up with new and interesting ways for Maggie jokes Did you know, for example, Maggie is such a good pilot that she once landed a 747 backwards with the engines off?
I fly a lot and cannot understand why passengers are “required” to wear their seat belt while being seated. Also, people get up and stretch their legs .... walking up and down the isles. Mothers are walking their kids etc. All this is very dangerous. The last thing this pilot needed are these injuries, which probably would not have happened if these people were strapped in !
I had a typo in my last comment. It should have been “ I fly a lot and cannot understand why passengers are NOT required to wear their seat belts while seated”.
apologize, dont fly much, this probably is One of the MAIN reasons, but wanted to ask if I may, is it possible for either the control tower to tell the pilots that they may be flying into turbulance as severe as this was just so that they might be able to make a direction Change and possibly either fly around or somhow under the turbulance? They showed pictures oif the inside of the cabin after everything was over, and gottaq tell ya, it looked really bad on the inside, really hope that none of the injuries to all of the passengers and the flight attendants weren't serious....
Hi Andrew, controllers are not aware of the turbulence unless pilots report so. Pilots use to advise if they fly in light, moderate or severe turbulence within a specific area so other airplane can avoid it.
Watch some of the wing test videos showing how they test new planes (there's a great Boeing video on that topic). Long story short, as long as you keep your seatbelt fastened, your odds of getting hurt are slim. The wings can flex until the wingtips are well above the height of the fuselage, practically to the top of the tail, before they break, so the plane will be structurally sound almost no matter what.
For those who understand that the plane cant take the turbulence, some periods of weightlessness can be fun and interesting... as long as the drink cart doesnt crash into your head
The cabin crew should have never been allowed to be up and serving in that weather. It was bad all up and down the West Coast that day. Ridiculous!! They (PAX) will survive 2 hours without a coke!
Shelli Meyers - ‘souls on board’ just distinguishes that the pilot is referring to total number on board, as opposed to X number of PAX and X number of crew.
kewkabe - perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of whining. I didn’t complain in my delivery of the suggested solution, now did I? You chose to be critical towards someone who puts in many hours for your enjoyment at no cost to you. Sense of entitlement much!?
I was just watching the replay on Flight Aware. I'm not sure how accurate the weather overlay is for history but just before they descend there is a dip in altitude of almost 300' and they slow down a bit. According to the replay there is weather in the area when this disruption occurred so this is more than likely not CAT. If there is weather around the area and it can't be avoided all together I put buts in seats to include crew. CAP better hope for his sake he didn't go through weather with the Seatbelt sign off or without telling his cabin crew to take seats. !!!!
@@sandman2495 Considering there were injuries, I'm sure there will be (or already was) a debrief regarding weather conditions, etc. I agree, probably not CAT. So the question will be why did the cap fly through it, unless it just wasn't feasible at that time. And yes, those seat belt lights should have been on and on flight beverage/meal, etc. services should have been suspended if they saw weather coming. Overall though, good job getting down asap.
@@laspinner1896 Yep, and I don't like to insinuate as i'm in the business and we know absolutely zero about what went on inside. I mainly pointed that out because not only can passengers sue the company they can go after the pilots individually. Not saying they would win but the hassle and costs of defending yourself are troublesome. Friend of mine kicked a man off for being an asshole and then his family joined in so he kicked the entire family off before they departed. Week later he received the the paperwork that he was being sued personally. So again, as long as he was following procedure and common sense should this happen other than the hassle and costs of defending yourself he should be ok
Piss poor performance by ATC...Kept asking stupid, irrelevant questions. They're an emergency, they stated their intentions, fuel and souls. ATC should have passed it on down the line.
Enough with the badgering and repeated questions, ATC!!! Damm! Try handling this EMERGENCY flight with priority and some understanding. Numerous injuries, incapacitated flight attendants. Jesus! It's serious. By my count ATC asks how many injuries 6 times. Rediculous distraction!
More often than not, the Operations manager is behind us saying they need that information ASAP to give to paramedics. While it is certainly a balance between not overloading the pilot and getting the information needed to forward down the line, as the controller we're often caught in the middle.
It is interesting to watch the final days of aviation. I wonder how people will get around in 10 years when commercial aircraft will be illegal in the US.
it will be that way, we are getting a green new deal. I am sure there will be aviation outside the United States but it wont be allowed in the United States because we care about the environment.
@@wkdravenna The green new deal doesn't mention aviation at all. Read the text at www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text The only relevant line is "overhauling transportation systems in the United States to remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible".
wkdravenna - hmmm. That’s a big call. The US, like the rest of the developed world isn’t a country I’d consider particularly green, like Scandinavian countries - Esp Norway and some European countries. Our president certainly isn’t, nor are the vast majority of his supporters.
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*Hoping everyone is OK. Severe turbulence can be felt really bad on an aircraft!*
Thanks to all those people that have reported this incident to me so that we could cover it on VASAviation.
Is this the same Delta aircraft that “nosedived twice” and other uncommanded moves in turbulence that Flightaware was talking about yesterday?
Seems like aircraft sustained the turbulence just fine. People didn't. Lessons learned (not a first time though): Keep your seatbelts fastened at all times in aircraft even when the corresponding light is off. Unfortunately cabin crew do not have that luxurious option when turbulence is unexpected and they might be caught at very unconvenient spots, for example during service with heavy cart in aisle.
Three people were sent to the hospital
@@geekytraveler5899 which is what was part of what happened according to a video taken shortly after, showing the cart toppled over and its contents all over the people and floor around it.
(twitter.com/JoeJustice0/status/1095792526609371136 )
but yeah.. seatbelts... pictures from that, dont remember what fligth it was, but i think it was in Asia somewhere.. blood all over the cabin ceiling.. ugh.. seatbelts!
@VASAviation
I am VERY impressed by how quickly and how reliably you post videos after current events. I saw this flight in the news and knew you'd have a video up on it within 24 hours, just as you did for other incidents. Great job at keeping your channel topical.
Folks, this is why when the captain turns on the fasted seat belt sign on you don't get up to take your kid to the bathroom!
That is not surprising at all. My point is that on every flight I have been on people seem to get up and move around regardless of seat belt signs and direct warnings from the crew. I was specifically referring to a flight I was on a few a few weeks ago that was almost diverted due to a passenger who was disregarding warnings. A guy said to the flight attendant after being told to return to his seat that his kid had to go to the bathroom. When the attendant said that he must return to his seat, he began to yell. When she threatened to divert the plane, he shut up.
@Kevin R And that is the reason you keep your seatbelt on all the time you are in your seat.
@@houstonfragguy9205 Yeah I'm going to take my chances versus my kids pissing or shitting their pants.
padizzle , careful. You just admitted that you would willingly endanger your child. Child endangerment is a felony in the states. I suspect most countries have similar laws.
@@houstonfragguy9205 oh come off it loser. Stopping on the side of the highway to let his son pee would be endangerment to you too I assume
I was on a flight yesterday performed by Aeroflot. It looked like they were over-cautious a bit with turbulence warning. There were usual slight bumps but they forced the cabin crew to interrupt service several times and have their seats. Now I understand their feelings.
It may feel like silly bumps at the beginning but it can turn out really bad as you can see. Pilots may have an idea on what they are about to encounter but not 100% sure so better to get everyone sat down and be safe ;)
They can be very deadly. It seemed like a joke at first when I’m cabin crew training I was told if the Pilot announces severe turbulence during I had to sit on the nearest passagers lap, have them hold me while I hold the cart down- but imaging the damage a loaded international service cart flying around could do.
Scary stuff...keep those seat belts fastened! I hope everyone is OK.
Great to hear top professionalism from the folks at Reno...my hometown airport!
Htey understood the situation at once and gave them full priority. Great job there!
James Strange From the pictures, it looks like their seat belts were fastened. It looks like the injuries came from from a food serving cart that was being pushed down the aisle, that went airborne, when they hit the turbulence. Seat belts can't protect you from that. The airlines need to rethink how they serve food.
Thanks for the clarification...I see that now. Looks like a bad day in the air for those folks. I wish them all well.
Reminds me of a wonderful flight from Japan to Hawaii coming back on emergency leave in 1978. There was only 50 in coach... in a 747. We were all placing dibs on the center seats that had arm rests that would fold up so we could lay down and sleep. It was so bad... we sat in our seats with the belts on the entire flight while the aircraft bounced around like a bumper car on a roller coaster. Really hard knocks and dropping a couple hundred feet over and over and over. The pilot did everything he could... going higher... going lower... changing course... finally gave up and said we're in for a rough flight. Felt bad for the flight attendants that had to roll the carts around serving food. And trying to eat or drink was a joke. I was never so happy to get the hell off an airplane as I was that day. The flight from Hawaii to San Francisco... as smooth as glass. The crazy part is, the aircraft I flew into Japan from Okinawa on... when on to Chicago non-stop. It landed there before I even got to Hawaii (had a 5 hour lay over for the Hawaii flight). I offered to pay the difference, but it was a military ticket and they couldn't change it. Okinawa to Japan to Hawaii to Atlanta (only flight out for hours and hours) then a puddle jumper to Nashville to Cincinnati and finally Columbus Ohio.
You are a gullible fool. Pilots like to smash their passengers and crew into the edges of the cabin for amusement and blame turbulence whenever they are given half a chance to do so. The fact that you all flocked to the middle seats confirms it. No witnesses to the sudden jerking of the aerolions (sp?) on the wings thus inviting torment.
@@jimcrelm9478 The M0R0N has spoken. The "pilots" and the rest of the crew were in the same plane I was for seven fricking hours straight idiot. You really think they would keep it up for SEVEN HOURS for a "joke" stupid.
@@donf3877 some ppl are really persistent
A couple of comments.
First. It was not poor communication between controllers/sectors. It was poor communication between supervisors. The information such as fuel and souls on board is passed to a supervisor who then coordinates as needed with management at other facilities. There was obviously a break down with the coordination but it was with management. Controllers will directly pass essential emergency information directly to other controllers. For example, “XXX is minimum fuel your supe should have all the other info”
The controllers continuously asking the for the same information is unfortunate but I can guarantee there was a supervisor or manager standing behind the controller asking for the information.
As for the need for the information, I typically would not ask for nor direct any one to ask a flight with a medical emergency for fuel or souls on board. A medical emergency is not a disabled aircraft that may crash, so the fuel and souls is irrelevant. Search and rescue wants souls so they know how many bodies to look for. Amount of fuel is helpful to know which airports are divert options and for fire fighting planning. Not big concerns with a medical emergency. In this particular case where there was possible but unknown damage to the aircraft a case can be made that this was important information.
As for asking about the number of injuries six times, this was probably the only critical information needed (along with the gate. Nice to have the ambulances at the right place). Did Reno airport need one ambulance. Two? Every ambulance in the city? There was a very valid reason for trying to get the number of injuries.
Lastly. This was really a quite routine operation for the controllers and the pilots. A divert in and of itself is not a real big deal. It is an added workload but it is what pilots and controllers train for. What is a big deal and what you can’t train for are the emotions. The pilots are worried about the people in back and are concentrating on not letting their worries distract them. The controllers are also uptight about injuries, while still trying to do their regular job and listen to several requests for information. In an ideal world it is all very simple. In real life with pilots worried about passengers and friends in back and also checking on the aircraft for damage (and preparing to land at a different airport) and controllers trying to work the rest of their sector plus the emergency it gets messy and is not always perfect. Bottom line is the plane received expedited handling and the controllers helped the pilots do their job, get the plane on the ground safely and as quickly as possible. Pilots and controllers did their jobs in a professional manner.
Thank you for this extensive comment. I completely agree.
Nah controllers sucked
It's understandable that ATC kept asking for the number of injured, but it sounds like there was nobody in the main cabin who could provide that information. The one (apparently) uninjured flight attendant had their hands full trying to look after everyone, presumably.
The most ridiculous and unnecessary question comes from the personnel on the ground in a car on the runway asking if the flight was a diverted or original destination. It makes No Difference to that person, they don't need to know that info At All. The problem comes when little fifedoms are created, everyone's a king and must be obeyed.
@@thefencepost In truth she probably did have a valid reason for seeking that info, but I agree, she didn't need it right then.
I think this was a fast and great presentation. I really enjoy the atc are well as visuals of aircraft, airports. Good job!! Keep up the good work!
As a frequently flying passenger, the most number of turbulent landings I've experienced have been at Reno; just guessing they've had their fair share of these incidents if not this dramatic. Props to sky and ground peeps for minimizing damage, etc.
I have helped treat passengers after a severe turbulence event. I was an airline employee hitching a ride. Scary situation but pilots did an amazing job. Medically trained passengers helped out as well
Great job getting this out so quickly. Me and my dad were just talking about this incident yesterday. Keep up the good work! 👍
Thanks, William!
Had a feeling you were gonna post this one after seeing it on the news last night.
Heavy turbulence is scary! Planes can be struck by lightning but hail can be devastating, like that plane last year that had its nose destroyed and the front window badly cracked. Glad to hear there were no major injuries.
It has happened when I'm home because I'm flying out all this week but today was my day off and had some time to edit it. Hope they all recover soon!
Commuter flight JFK or LGA to BWI back in the early 80's during hurricane Gloria. Without warning the plane dropped a couple hundred feet. When it got wings level all but one passenger clicked their seatbelt. My buddy/ colleague was playing on the ceiling as the plane kept doing these 200' drops. Insane.
I hear about it on the news and I head here. Good job as usual. Severe turbulence is one of my biggest fears. It's always good to be reminded that they know what they are doing. But I would have been a basket case if I had been on that plane. 😱
I recently flew on a 175 out of Pasco and it was the most uneasy ride I've experienced. More drops, bumps, and jumps than the theme parks we went to on that trip!
Wow, quick upload! Good job to those pilots getting on the ground quickly and making sure passengers were taken care of! The one pilot sounded a little young but did a great job!
These pilots really knew the severity of the situation.
175 is a regional jet, alot of first officers for the regionals are young guys 23-30 years old, you’d be surprised
Yeah. But how many SOB, lbs fuel? Any injuries?
@@papadopp3870 As stated in the video, 10,500 lbs. of fuel and 74 souls.
@@izzykingston1602 I'm flattered you think 30 is young I feel old and fat and bald and gassy!
There are two spots in the country where turbulence is no joke: the sierras between Reno and the Bay Area & the Front Range of Colorado while heading to Denver. Some of the worst turbulence I have ever felt were in those two areas.
Totally agree! I know I am going to bite it on a flight into Denver some day; some of the worst flights I've ever been on.
Hey VASAviation!
Happy Valentines day! Thanks for the upload👍
I never remove my seat belt when flying unless need to use wash room. You keep on While riding in an auto!
I always say this but the thing is a car crash happens in a millisecond, plane crashes are kinda of imposing. Turbulence is a different story tho
@@MarksTournaments I'm Australian and we have had car seat belt laws in cars since the 70's so I automatically put one on if its there, so I always have it on when i am flying.
Going without a seat belt is for those who want a flail chest in a nice circle pattern from hitting the steering wheel.
living in Seattle heard this on the local news yesterday, you got this fast wow!
I heard about this at work - it was windy as heck in Carson City that day - they had advisories all over the place for aviation and for automobiles.
KRNO is considered a high altitude airport. At about 4500' and in the center of a valley surrounded by several 7000' to 10,000', flights can get interesting when it gets windy. It's also home of some extreme weather with the snow in winter and then possible hot weather into the mid 90°s (35°C), so when you factor all that in, many pilots say Reno is a challenging airport.
I've never seen a group of pilots and controllers so enthusiastic about saying a callsign in my life lol
The one dislike on this vid is the Turbulence
That bad turbulence! :D
Where is “Ryanair Bob?” He must’ve been on this flight and the turbulence knocked him out cold.
3:11 seems like he may have said “unknown” rather than “uh, no”
The worst turbulence I ever experienced was on a 175. My wife still gets flight anxiety every single time we fly because of it.
So she’s a beta then. Nice.
@@Bravo-Too-Much Shoo.
Thank you!
Very good video, and very well handled by everyone, although first ATC (I think) failed to give numbers of people and fuel onboard to the tower. Or perhaps tower asked for the second time, I don't know the details and how overloaded the ATC might have been, so I'm not going to make a negative judgement on that. And they did their jobs.
Man do I know that approach! Saw the news earlier. Great job getting it up!!
Yikes! There’s a short clip floating around on Twitter (I found it via Reddit - see comment and link given here by a poster under VASAviation’s pinned comment).
These folks onboard went through hell.
Jeez, how many times are they going to ask about souls and fuel on board? How about some hand off information.
Was at Reno that night flying in from JFK, had us hold inair for around half an hour.
Wow, finally the ground controller is the only one who didn't ask for souls on board and fuel!!! Lol.
And one controller struggled when he started to say the word Soul, he immediately stopped half way and asked again using person. I guess we live in a new world!
My wife was flying in a King Air down to L.A.yesterday about the same time and she said it was the worst flight she'd ever had. Mind you, they were below Class A.
Thats why you obey the always be bealted while seated rule
Was this CAT or the bad storms out west this week? And don’t planes have weather radar to indicate storm cells?
He said "unknown" when responding to inquiry of aircraft damage.
They are showing pictures from inside the aircraft now on the news. Drink cart took a tumble!
instagram.com/p/Bt2aMUMnEvS/?igshid=wyj140u9m0b
The thing seems to have atually hit the cieling of the cabin. Scary stuff
Lindsay Wilson - thanks for the link.
Lindsay Wilson Thanks for sharing Lindsay.
rhallnapa Gosh darn it I guess aly closed it up I knew I should have done it
I didn’t want to comment on the video I’m referring to out of respect but the 5Y3591 video doesn’t include the moment the crew ask for deviations. That’s relevant in my opinion. On the liveatc audio it’s just past minute 6.
You uploaded this before the engines even cooled off lol
Haha! Nah, they were fast too. They travelled to Seattle already.
I was diverted to Reno once. I was 1 hour out from SMF (1400 local time departure) headed to MSP for a transfer to JFK. We had smoke 💨 in the cabin. My flight from MSP to JFK departed at 1800 local time. I landed at 0000 local time. Departed the next morning at 0800 local time without incident on the same aircraft, I was exhausted 😩
There was a plane crash in yorba linda, ca last week, any info on that?
I don't know why I am watching this at transfer lounge waiting for my next leg of flight, right after a bumpy flight.😫😫😫
You are watching this to sensitize yourself how important it is to keep your seat belt fastened.
Is it me or does the pilot sound exactly like Kelsey from the 74 Gear TH-cam Channel. He's a commercial pilot and the resemblance at 4:20 is uncanny. It's gotta be him.
And again a lose cart injuring someone. I wonder if there isn't a better solution, for example a rail system which holds the carts down.
Professional all the way!
I believe 9:22 is "couple possible *more serious* injuries" , not "numerous" :)
And 1:00 is "weather readout" not "weather read up" (what is a "read up"??) and 2:27 "direct Farmington direct Reno airport" not "direct Reno airport" (Farmington / FMG direct Reno is the standard routing coming from that direction).
kewkabe - one solution would be to simply listen to the audio and ignore the captions. That would be a win/win situation. You wouldn’t feel the need to whine and we wouldn’t have to read your whining comments!
@@ashmackenzie.2763 ...as you whine about my post?
@@ashmackenzie.2763 Wow, you do know that the captions are put there for people that do not have the ability to hear well or may not know all the words being spoken since they are on radio and speak very fast at times. Your comment is not only unhelpful, it serves to underscore today's society where it's not longer "me first" but "me only" in its mentality.
ImpendingJoker - the captions are put there because the owner of the channel is providing a service. He does this every day and he has access to the same audio that we have. Rather than whining about his captions why don’t those ppl offer to help him instead?
What do you propose he should do above and beyond what he offers *voluntarily*?!
Any chance you can get the incident between two KLM jets at EHAM from yesterday?
Working on it.
@@VASAviation Awesome! Can't wait to see it, love the videos man, keep m coming!
As an EMS provider, this is a kinda scary scenario. How many Ambo's do I need? hopefully it wasn't too bad!
The good news is that the regional trauma unit is one freeway exit north and about 1.5 miles from the airport. REMSA (our regional ambulance service) dispatched 5 ambulances if I remember correctly.
How do you get these ATC recordings?
Any idea what part of the flight this would’ve happened in? I guess it would’ve been when the belts were off, so probably fairly high up, but isn’t it very unusual to have turbulence in cruise?
The Flight was en route to Seattle, I believe they were at FL340...they were only about 40-50 miles from Reno when they hit severe turbulence...so they're about 10,000ft higher than usual to make a standard descent into the airport.
Reggie San Diego Thank you, very much, for that info! It’s very much appreciated! I’ll admit I’m still fairly new to flying, only stepped on a plane maybe half a dozen times up to this point, and turbulence has never really been a factor in any of those flights. I mean hardly any of them have ever had rain, and I’d give my kingdom to fly through rain, hah. I love driving through it, and I loved flying through it, too, even if it made for a slightly bumpier ride.
The Nevada Triangle is well known to have dangerous wind patterns that have caused the loss of many small planes, including Steve Fawcett's. An Embraer jet is small enough to be affected by these Sierra wind patterns, I wonder if it is all related.
During an emergency, why do some ATC ask for fuel in minutes and others ask for fuel in pounds? Thanks!
My guess(and it's a guess), it will affect what happens if they have to go missed approach, or something like that. ATC will know if they can swing them out, or vector to a close runway.
Hello nice video looking for the next saludos Ibero
im going on a trip to utah on this plane, i guess i should watch this lol
Fantastic ATC about the Embraer ERJ-175 diverting to Reno with 5 passengers injured mate
This is not to one up any of the comments. To add to the Nevada Triangle aspect... flying out of Denver in 1975 on a Continental DC-10 we experienced mild chop. It made me airsick, the only time in 54 years of flying. It must have been choppy for a DC-10 to shake a bit.
Can you watch SN551 / BEL5YZ what happened. Thank you
does anyone know why they are saying ILS-X? What does the X signify?
There are different ILS approaches for the same runway - each one has a specific procedure. These are called W, X, Y or Z.
@@VASAviation Why are there two ILS approaches to the same runway, out of curiosity? I'm sure there's a good reason, but it seems like you would normally only need one ILS approach for each direction of the runway, eg one for 16R and one for 34L.
The procedure to be established on the localizer or the missed approach procedure is what is different. The ILS itself (the final approach segment to the runway) is the same.
It generally is dependent on the aircraft climb ability.
Is it me or severe turbulence is more frequent now?
It's you.
Is it unusual to have strong turbulence at 34,000? I have only encountered strong turbulence below 20,000.
It is unusual but not impossible. Mountain waves can rise to 40000 feet and more.
Depends, they're flying near Reno so the slow air over the mountains relative to the fast air higher in the atmosphere can cause extreme turbulence.
Thanks, AntManMax
I've had aircraft report turbulence up to FL 430 over the Atlantic
Actually yes... and in difference to AntmanMax the most likely cause is mountain wave activity. That's high winds blowing over mountains causing a wave effect. These waves can reach 5times the highest mountain. Not far from this location the world altitude record for sailplanes was set at 46000ft.
In addition to this edges of jet streams can often have clear air turbulence. This happens when the edge of a jet stream is well defined and wind speeds can change by over a hundred knots in less than a mile.
Very poor coordination/communication between ATC sectors always calling the pilots asking for POB and Fuel those informations should be given by the previous sectors before hand-off. The guys are on final after an incident just let them fly the plane.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s shoddy as hell. Give the pilots a chance.
I am prone to be sarcastic, so I probably would’ve told the second ATC that I’d already given than information, that we’re a little busy up here!
Terrible coordination between these amateurs. I never ask questions if I'm the second or later controller to receive an emergency. I'm just there to provide assistance at that point. Supervisor can deal with getting me any answers I need, if the previous controller didn't do his or her job and inform me.
It's a common theme of emergencies in US airspace. The quality of ATC in Europe and Australia is far superior.
To be honest here though, the first guy was Reno TRACON which isn't co-located with Reno TOWER, so they didn't get the marked-up strip and depending on the facility and other traffic (remember, this is edited to focus on the emergency aircraft) there may not have been an actual landline call to the tower controller with that info, only that there was an emergency inbound. I don't know about Europe, but in the US, most towers are "non-radar" facilities and so they don't actually receive handoffs from the approach controllers. There is an SOP in place as to when the handoff occurs and then approach drops the track and hands off the pilot. Tower may have a repeater display to be aware of who's next, but they don't get any formal transfer or briefing for every arrival.
Question? Why the use of the word “souls”? And why was the pilots constantly being asked about the remaining fuel?
Souls includes animals. For search and rescue purposes
Souls is an easily re recognizable word that wont be confused with another term. The exact numbers of souls is for search and rescue personal count should the aircraft crash.
The fuel on board also needs to be known for fire prevention. Should the aircraft crash at the. Airport the fire department knows what they are up against regarding the amount of fuel/fire. Sometimes aircraft need to dump or burn off fuel to land. This is because a.fully loaded aircraft will be stressed should a hard landing occur and it takes much longer distance to bring it to a stop.
Crysthian Castano Thank you for clearing this up for me. I’m a newbie to the tech aspects of commercial and package flight ✈️ . This site has an extremely informed group of commenters, and I’ve always had my questions answered.
NeverforgetElvis Thank you for your answers to my questions. I’m such a newbie on the tech aspects of what can go right and go wrong for pilots and ground crews, this site has a great crowd of professionals that give answers. I’m glad I follow these guys (a Wisconsin thing). And I will NEVER forget Elvis.
Photos on local news here in Vega$ showed the drink cart, upside-down in the aisle ... was not good!
I just wonder if the injuries happened because the passengers weren't buckled in their seats. I hope everyone will recover!
Every object flew across the aircraft so even if you have the seatbelt on... you jump.
@@VASAviation oh sh... that's scary...
This poor pilot sounds like he’s in pain and needs medical attention himself. :(
What I heard was extreme concern over the passengers. It must have been frustrating for him not to be able to go into the cabin to see what happened there.
He knew it was really bad and the urgency in his voice to land ASAP was very noticeable. Kudos to the pilots who brought the plane down safely and as fast as possible.
@@Cissy2cute I agree. They mention they have only 1 flight attendant still operating. That one crew had to take care of the whole cabin, including several injured people, and then prepare the whole plane for landing (well done to him/her!). You can imagine that one crew member to not have any time to keep the pilots updated, they had hardly any information.
@@DrLumpy I could not agree more. All levels of ATC seem so out of the loop and under trained these days. The boys and girls from pre-2010 did their jobs well. Not so these days.
Martin Blaney some radios are like that
Wow I’ve never heard of turbulence injuring people! This is crazy!
It happens all the time. Google pictures for turbulence incidents
T MOT wow. These pics are crazy. I think these incidents are so minor that they don’t make the news. Probably why I’ve never heard of them.
There are (admitedly rare) cases of fatalities from turbulence.
The FAA have 3 fatalities on record, and that would be just those involving aircraft in which the US had some involvement.
Those most commonly injured are flight attendents (who are almost never strapped in), followed by passengers who were not wearing seatbelts.
One of the passengers who was towards the rear of the aircraft said she saw the beverage cart and one of the flight attendants hit the ceiling. Another injured passenger was reportedly in the lavatory at the time so I can imagine she hit the ceiling, too.
I remember a documented case of a woman breaking her neck and subsequently dying. I think, though I’m not sure, that she was in the lavatory and hit the ceiling pretty hard.
Probably a stupid question but why do they ask for fuel remaining in time as opposed to volume. Time would be dependent on things like altitude and speed wouldn't they?
There have been aircraft being controlled that have run out of fuel of approach. So that request helps the controller and helps the pilot keep track of their situation.
Bro 5 passengers injured that’s like the whole plane right ohhh wait we’re in the us there has to be like 80 seats on that becuase we hate legroom
It's strange that they diverted to Reno Airport on the other side of the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
A direct route from KSNA to KSEA passes a few miles east of Reno. Reno is almost directly on their route.
jeffersonstatecrash - I think they were using FMG for this flight.
How many injured? How many injured? How many injured? Oh and how many injured?
I struggle to understand how throughout this entire situation they could not get an idea on the number of injured. I do understand how they didn’t have it immediately but there’s no excuse they couldn’t at some point throughout the hour....I feel they were likely told not to declare that by the company so it wouldn’t be on the media which is inexcusable to interrupt ensuring the passengers would get the necessary attention on landing.
Maggie would have just tossed a couple of First Aid kits into the passenger cabin and got on with the flight
LOL!! I have to say, I love the Maggie references. I wonder if she has any idea that she’s become living folklore material!?
@@ashmackenzie.2763 Well we know her dad came on Vasa's video to thank us for the best wishes to his daughter... Its not outside the range of possibilities that the family are know subscribers. Personally, I just love coming up with new and interesting ways for Maggie jokes
Did you know, for example, Maggie is such a good pilot that she once landed a 747 backwards with the engines off?
OPS8 is the true hero 😂
when the bodies hit the floor.
1:53 maaan, how can you understand so unreadable phrases?!
Whoever was responsible the communication was poor. You bug me on short final and you won't get an answer.
Well the pilots handled it without getting snarky...
I fly a lot and cannot understand why passengers are “required” to wear their seat belt while being seated.
Also, people get up and stretch their legs .... walking up and down the isles. Mothers are walking their kids etc. All this is very dangerous. The last thing this pilot needed are these injuries, which probably would not have happened if these people were strapped in !
I had a typo in my last comment.
It should have been “ I fly a lot and cannot understand why passengers are NOT required to wear their seat belts while seated”.
RNO TWR sounds an awful lot like Kennedy Steve...
apologize, dont fly much, this probably is One of the MAIN reasons, but wanted to ask if I may, is it possible for either the control tower to tell the pilots that they may be flying into turbulance as severe as this was just so that they might be able to make a direction Change and possibly either fly around or somhow under the turbulance? They showed pictures oif the inside of the cabin after everything was over, and gottaq tell ya, it looked really bad on the inside, really hope that none of the injuries to all of the passengers and the flight attendants weren't serious....
Hi Andrew,
controllers are not aware of the turbulence unless pilots report so. Pilots use to advise if they fly in light, moderate or severe turbulence within a specific area so other airplane can avoid it.
Watch some of the wing test videos showing how they test new planes (there's a great Boeing video on that topic). Long story short, as long as you keep your seatbelt fastened, your odds of getting hurt are slim. The wings can flex until the wingtips are well above the height of the fuselage, practically to the top of the tail, before they break, so the plane will be structurally sound almost no matter what.
For those who understand that the plane cant take the turbulence, some periods of weightlessness can be fun and interesting... as long as the drink cart doesnt crash into your head
@@souocara38able Exactly. I actually really enjoy some turbulence as a pax, as long as no one gets hurt or sick.
The cabin crew should have never been allowed to be up and serving in that weather. It was bad all up and down the West Coast that day. Ridiculous!! They (PAX) will survive 2 hours without a coke!
2 hours without a coke? Are you kidding me? 😄
Everyone loves saying Compass 5763.
The Reno approach controller definitely had a problem with using "souls" to refer to people on board! (And I'm totally okay with that.)
Perhaps the controller is a Sam Harris fan.
Shelli Meyers standard procedure bra.
Same, love it.
Shelli Meyers - ‘souls on board’ just distinguishes that the pilot is referring to total number on board, as opposed to X number of PAX and X number of crew.
@@ashmackenzie.2763 So does "Persons on board" which takes away the need to count x number of souls (whatever those are) and x number of gingers.
Well done Yankees …. Another great aviation day 😂
Caravan!!!!
Pilots sound pretty shaken up. Had to be very scary.
So annoying that they have to repeat the story for every controller. And how about just give him the weather.
“Injured from turbulence”. I will translate for you, “we are going to get paid for our fake nonexisting injuries cause air bumpy make hurt.”
Severe turbulence CAN cause injuries, especially if someone is not wearing their seat belt. You can hit the ceiling or be hit by flying debris.
kewkabe - perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of whining. I didn’t complain in my delivery of the suggested solution, now did I? You chose to be critical towards someone who puts in many hours for your enjoyment at no cost to you.
Sense of entitlement much!?
This will be a career ending incident if the fasten seat belt sign was not on and they had advance notice of turbulence.
I was just watching the replay on Flight Aware. I'm not sure how accurate the weather overlay is for history but just before they descend there is a dip in altitude of almost 300' and they slow down a bit. According to the replay there is weather in the area when this disruption occurred so this is more than likely not CAT. If there is weather around the area and it can't be avoided all together I put buts in seats to include crew. CAP better hope for his sake he didn't go through weather with the Seatbelt sign off or without telling his cabin crew to take seats. !!!!
@@sandman2495 Considering there were injuries, I'm sure there will be (or already was) a debrief regarding weather conditions, etc. I agree, probably not CAT. So the question will be why did the cap fly through it, unless it just wasn't feasible at that time. And yes, those seat belt lights should have been on and on flight beverage/meal, etc. services should have been suspended if they saw weather coming. Overall though, good job getting down asap.
@@laspinner1896 Yep, and I don't like to insinuate as i'm in the business and we know absolutely zero about what went on inside. I mainly pointed that out because not only can passengers sue the company they can go after the pilots individually. Not saying they would win but the hassle and costs of defending yourself are troublesome. Friend of mine kicked a man off for being an asshole and then his family joined in so he kicked the entire family off before they departed. Week later he received the the paperwork that he was being sued personally. So again, as long as he was following procedure and common sense should this happen other than the hassle and costs of defending yourself he should be ok
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Piss poor performance by ATC...Kept asking stupid, irrelevant questions. They're an emergency, they stated their intentions, fuel and souls. ATC should have passed it on down the line.
Enough with the badgering and repeated questions, ATC!!! Damm! Try handling this EMERGENCY flight with priority and some understanding. Numerous injuries, incapacitated flight attendants. Jesus! It's serious. By my count ATC asks how many injuries 6 times. Rediculous distraction!
More often than not, the Operations manager is behind us saying they need that information ASAP to give to paramedics. While it is certainly a balance between not overloading the pilot and getting the information needed to forward down the line, as the controller we're often caught in the middle.
Yeah. Why would the ATC want to know how many ambulances should be standing by....
It is interesting to watch the final days of aviation. I wonder how people will get around in 10 years when commercial aircraft will be illegal in the US.
What!?? That isn’t vaguely a possibility, is it!??
it will be that way, we are getting a green new deal. I am sure there will be aviation outside the United States but it wont be allowed in the United States because we care about the environment.
@@wkdravenna The green new deal doesn't mention aviation at all. Read the text at www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-resolution/109/text The only relevant line is "overhauling transportation systems in the United States to remove pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible".
@@ashmackenzie.2763 It's ridiculous. The aviation industry will just disregard that idiocy. Those Green people need to concentrate on farting cows.
wkdravenna - hmmm. That’s a big call. The US, like the rest of the developed world isn’t a country I’d consider particularly green, like Scandinavian countries - Esp Norway and some European countries. Our president certainly isn’t, nor are the vast majority of his supporters.
This is why I dislike Embraer...
Come on man...how many god damn ambulances do you need. Its not that hard. Ask sineone to count.