Dunlop TrailMax Raid 6500 Mile Review Update
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- Dunlop checks a lot of boxes with these TrailMax Raid tires. I have been on them for 6500 miles now and this is my review update. I think it's closest competition is the Bridgestone AX41. Stay tuned for that comparison video!
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Just wanted to say (and I’m sure others agree), very much appreciate your contribution to the ADV community by all your awesome tire reviews. Thank you
@@billwaterhouse5894 well thank you for your support. It's a labor of love... My tire / traction fetish combined with my life goal of helping others have the best ride possible. I've learned a lot of things the hard, uncomfortable and a sometimes painful ways and I hope to help others avoid that.
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I love these tires. I have 5000km on a set. The rear is about 30% worn and the front still looks new. Riding 2up on a weestrom. 80% hiway with the balance gravel roads in Morocco. Awesome on the road and if we transitioned from pavement to gravel you don't hardly notice. Only issue is the cost here in Canada. Just way to much. In Spain where I had them installed the all in price was about 2/3 the cost of just the tires here in Canada, even adjusting for currency
Wow! that price difference is huge! Thanks for sharing.
That's impressive longevity. And given where you take them, impressive performance as well. - Frank
Thanks for watching and commenting Frank. They did good, but I still like the AX41 a tad better.
@@manybikes Good to hear Kyle. The AX41 has been fantastic for the NEBDR. And the twisties! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding fantastic tires!
Hey man I've been watching you ride and do your reviews for awhile and thanks for the time and effort you put into it we really appreciate it Kyle, ride safe and hey y'all from Alabama
Awe, I appreciate that! Thank you for your support, I really appreciate it. More and more tires are getting added to my site. When you are ready, reach out and I might be able to get them to you.
Great review as always Kyle!
Thanks Frank!
Mounted them on my new big machine, running around 36/37 Psi , love them very much, great on both off and on, but damn the front ( 19 inch ) over 65 miles is loud as hell, have on them maybe 700 miles, hopefully as I add some miles it will get quieter, other that as you say "phenomenal" rubber, cheers V!
yes, they do feel great on the road! Mind got louder and louder as they wore down. Better invest in some earplugs ;)
All good, next time. May well try a set on my R9T Urban GS
Sweet!!!
Great review. Thanks.
Yes Sir! We need to get a ride in one of these days. I saw you were close recently...
@@manybikes maybe I can swing out this fall.
How would these compare to the Motor dual venture front and the Motoz Tractionator Adventure Rear Tires? I have a 2023 Suzuki VStrom 800DE and want to replace the stock tires with something more capable off road but still need good street manners for hour rides to the trails. I like what I hear about this Trailmax Raids except the front tire washout. Thought about the missions but I don't like what I hear about wet cool weather performance and the heft. Maybe the Raid rear and the mission front?
These Raid tires are great. The are smooth on road and do good off road. The Motoz is a better dirt combo in general and mileage will be better too. Mission front and Raid Rear would be a good combo.
I can’t believe they lasted so long. I’m considering these because the Tractionator DV/Adventure/RallZ are all sold out. The Tractionators consistently give me about 3400 miles with the DV (front) wearing out before the rear. I’m so bummed because I was planning to stick a new pair of MotoZ on for a BDR and now it looks like I need to compromise. I thought these would get less mileage than the Motoz and am surprised they lasted so long.
@@manybikes Just for the front, how would you compare the raid and dual venture off-road?
If only my fav AX41’s lasted this long 😂
The AX41 tires are just so good! They need a US model with double the tread depth. Motoz Killers they would be!
Here!! Ready to watch!! 😊
Well, what do you think?
So weird is right! I've been riding these on my GSA I took my first real dirt trip yesterday on these. I can honestly say I think I prefer the Michelin Anakee 3's to these tires off road. especially anything loose. I find these tires to be the worst I have ridden off road ever!!! I can't seem to get any stopping power out of the front either. Thanks for the review!
Interesting for sure! I'm surprised you don't have stopping power, maybe the bigger bike... you prefer the Anakee 3 in the dirt? Not the Wild? Another interesting finding. Thanks for watching!
@@manybikes No the Anakee Wild is my favorite tire. Just expensive and doesn't last long. Usually 2500 miles in the rear and 5000 front. I was saying the Anakee 3 is better offload than the Dunlop Trail Max Raid tire. LOL
@@AdventureGlide WOW! Now that's saying something!!! I haven't ridden the 3 since it was released back in... what? 2012? Wasn't any good in the snow, that's for sure... but Yosemite & Death Valley were fine.
@@manybikes Yeah that's when I rode the 3 I put a set on my Super Tenere! LOL
Great video. I'm trying to decide between the Raid and the Mission. I do ride more on the pavement. I'm riding a 23 Triumph GT Explorer if the heavier bike makes any difference. Thanks
For mostly street riding, you'll get ridiculous longevity from the TMMs, they are reasonably quiet, and they track nicely too. I haven't noticed any issues with wet conditions but I slow down in corners quite a lot in wet conditions anyways.
On loose gravel, I find the front tire slips out on my CB500X so I imagine that might be worse on a heavier bike. Otherwise, they are good on compact dirt and gravel roads and OK on sand too. Not so good in mud, but only full knobby tires excel in mud.
Thanks for watching! The Mission will work well and will last forever on your Explorer GT. The Mission is a great tire on-road and holds its own off road too. The Raid is WAY softer and WAY lighter than the Mission. The sidewall squish on the highway is nice, but they will wear out in 1/2 the time of the Mission. Off road the Raid is better all the way around... More lugs. More leading edges. Just better.
Softer sidewall than the AX41? I was really suprised how stiff those sidewalls were and dread getting a potential flat out in nowhere based on the PITB they were to install.
Yes, much much softer sidewalls than the AX41!
Thanks for the review on the raids. 👍. They seem like a good option. What would your 5 picks be for a 50/50 - 60/40 tyres which are also good on the wet black top / in rain be on the 390 please? Just interesting to know your opinion.
What is your brand of luggage racks please?
I am running the Touratech racks. I have some 390 Racks if you are interested... SW Motech I think? Okay ... top 5 for wet pavement on the 390: #1. Metzeler Karoo 4 #2. Dunlop TrailMax Raid #3. Continental TKC70 Rocks #4. Bridgestone AX41 #5. Motoz Tractionator RallZ
@@manybikes nice. Yeah interested. been chasing racks for a while, but on the other side of the pond. Thanks for your opinion. Appreciate it.
Ah parked my cx500 and walked up Santiago peak when I lived in San Clemente...that was a while ago.
It's not that bad! Let's do it together. You can ride my 390 if you want...
just ordered my Raids
Awesome! Enjoy!
Would you, please recommend a set for BMW 850 GS adv. Having watched many of your videos, I'm looking for Motoz DV and Motoz tractionator adventure. I currently ride Anakee 3-s in Ukraine mostly on paved roads and highways, but 2 or 4 days a month I try to hit off-road routes - mountain rocks, gravel. I'm afraid of mud but sometimes we can't do anything to avoid it. Anakees are not bad on highways, but not good at all in dirt. Do those above Motoz's behave well enough on highways, including wet roads? and according to this video, Dulop Raids will suit more for my conditions? Thank you for all your awesome videos.
These Raid tires are great on the street and on wet roads. Mud... was not the best. I would recommend the Motoz for mud over the Raids.
Question for you, Kyle. How do these compare to Motoz's lineup? My suspicion is the tractionator is going to be better for most off road applications but this Dunlop is great for the street bike feel. Curious if I'm right... I've heard both tires won't let you down in corners on road regardless. Would really appreciate your feedback in the comparison and thanks for all your videos.
Thanks for the inquiry! Sorry for the delay in response. These Raid tires are fantastic. They are much lighter in weight than the Motoz and the sidewall flex is amazing. On road the Raid is smoother (read squishier) due to the soft sidewall, which makes it roll over bumps and you won't feel it! In the corners and grip, both the Raid and the Motoz are very similar. In general, the Motoz tire is WAY MORE Robust. They are a bit heavier and the sidewall is way stiffer which is great for puncture resistance. The Motoz will last longer when it comes to mileage. Motoz is my Go To.... the work amazing and they work for a long time. Probably should not say that on a Dunlop video... but it is what it is... Can't really go wrong with either.
@@manybikes kind of what I expected. I just bought the Motoz Tractionator Adventure and Dualventure set. Rode them on the Oregon bdr and the Washington bdr in the last several days. It took a very long time for those tires to get worn in, man they were crazy squirrelly off and on road! But once they wore in, I found they're amazing. Large rocky terrain is great for these tires. Gravel is a little too small for these tires to really shine, I think my anakee adventures were better on gravel than the Motoz, but when things get rougher I'm happy to have the Motoz. 3 fellow riders were riding the Dunlop raids, I was the odd man out. We all did well. But I know mine will last a lot longer.
For Ktm 390 you’ve got some money wrapped into it. Those are not standard rims. Just means you like tubeless tires thank you for your review. This must be the one you said that you had to edit and put out the weather looked very good where you were at. If you can answer this, what did you do to your Ktm 390 to get more power out of it you said 50 hp?
Thanks for watching! These are the KKE Racing VMX wheels. I picked them up for $800 and LOVE them. Tubeless or tubes, not to much a care either way... but spokes, I am a fan of spokes for off road. 50ish HP. I have not done much, just a K&N filter and Rotweiller Power Plate which is an open air filter box lid. That was a 4 hp gain right there! shop.rottweilerperformance.com/power-plate-125-401/
Thanks for watching!
Thank you❤
I have a Super Tenere and have 5000 miles on a set, I did the WABDR and rear still could go 1000 more but they are so noisy.
They were fine till 3000 mile mark but have been getting worse as I ad miles.
A 10 on the street aside from the howling but only a 7 off road. As Kyle said the front washes then catches.
For the premium price they want the noise and the front skidding and mostly catching is a deal breaker for me.
Thanks for your feedback. They are a little noisy and one you get used to the slip / grip... I really like the way they FEEL on the highway / pavement.
Hi Kyle very good review. How do you compare tese tires with Karoo 4? They seems similar
Treat question. In wet weather the Karoo 4 is a touch better but both are the best out there. The Karoo 4 has deeper lugs and better mud / soft terrain traction in the beginning but they wear out quicker than the Raids and they tend to wear not quite as even. The Raid has a softer sidewall and are smoother on the road and easier to mount.
@@manybikes Thanks a lot Kyle. Actually I use Mitas Enduro Trail XT+, according to me very good on off road but terrible on the road. I'll try Trailmax, they seems a good compromise
XT+ terrible on the road!? What bike are you riding?
@@manybikes KTM 890 Adventure
The VMX wheels handle rocks significantly better than the KTM wheels on my 790. - Frank
Stock 790 to 1290 wheels are like Butter! Horrible!!!
@@manybikes If I keep the 790, I may grab another VMX set. - Frank
Slip and Grip. I have the Trail Max Raid tires on my R1250 GS and the front tire does the same thing you experienced. Above 50 mph the front tire sounds like an air raid siren.
Yes, the noise is not too fun. The slip is so strange... Happy I never rode past the grip!
Curious to know how they felt on the GSA? I just ordered a set for my bike and some of these reviews have me nervous. 😂
There are a couple of GSA commentators here in the thread… They have good things to say about the tire
i watched your video and listened to your reply and got the scorpion rally str , amazing tire. just really really load. and now iam thinking of getting these, how do they compare to the str?
I do find the STR to be a great tire… What I do not like about it is the fact that there are no side bite edges. The Dunlop Trail max raid definitely has that going for it… As far as the right on the street they are very similar one to another. as for the dirt Trail, Raid does hold bite on the hillside and does have better for momentum push. Overall, the raid is a better dirt tire and they are similar on the street. I will have to say that the raid front tire is pretty noisy and has gotten noisier and noisier as it has worn down.
@@manybikes thanks for the insight, so no good for me, iam looking for a slightly quiter ride, my right year is going deaf😜😂 thanks again for the quick answere.
Thanks Kyle. knowing how much you like the AX 41's would you go with this or stay with the B'Stone, on the rear that is. I'm on my third AX 41 and really like it. I run a Karoo 4 on front and am very pleased with that but don't care for the AX front after half life.
The Bridgestones are a better off road tire. They are similar to this on-road.
Good review Kyle. I'm still a Motoz or Nothing guy 😊👊
Go get em Greg! Motoz or Nothing!
I got 8500km on my Raids. But I'm on a r1200gsa. I like everything about them, except the noise. They just got louder and louder. I'm trying something else next set.
you replaced them at 8500km?
@@showmytime9177 Yes, not much left on the rear, 2mm. There's a little more on the front, but it's so loud it's unbearable. I did a lot of highway, so that didn't help. But we went down to Moab and did a lot of off road too. Most of the km was fully loaded with luggage and camping gear.
Mine are getting louder and louder too!
Oh, the suspense…….!
Ha! Ha!
Do you still recommend AX 41 instead of Trailmax raid on my 1250 gsa. Want the best offroad tire for gravel riding.
Yes, the AX41 is still KING. AX41 in the front and the Motoz RallZ in the rear for maximum longevity and traction.
Have you run the Dunlop Trailmax Misssions? How do they compare with the Raids when it comes to road noise and handling and wear?
I have run both the Raids and the Missions. The Missions are a hard high mileage tire. For that use, they are surprisingly good both on & off road, but.... The Raids are so much better both on & off road, the only way I'm putting Missions back on the bike is if I decide to ride to Prudhoe Bay (and even then I'm gonna try and find a way to run Raid's and put another set on 1/2 way first!)
Fantastic feedback John. I totally agree with your views.
Here is the TrailMax Mission Review: th-cam.com/users/live5CcZMRYp0_c
@@JohnSmith-rp8uh Yes, I would expect the Raids to be better wet/muddy off-road but the heart of my question is about rear tire wear and road noise. I want to know what many folks are 'not' saying. I find the Missions significantly better offroad the stock tyres, but I am not willing to significantly compromise road noise and spirited riding on mountain roads for some improved off-roading (given that the Missions are pretty good) when I typically select to do off-roading in dry conditions and don't do sand.
@@nevillegreg1 The Raids handle better than the Missions on the road, EXCEPT they have a mild tendency to want to follow road irregularities. I've never ridden a knobby that didn't feel that way, the Raids don't do it badly compared to most knobby tires (it's worst when the tires are brand new). For pure cornering grip, braking, road feel/feedback, wet or dry - Raids are better on road than the Missions.
Raids need to be replaced at 4500-5000 miles on my 890 Adv - they're not completely shot, prob get another few thousand miles, but if you want them to perform they need to be replaced. At 9,500 miles the Missions still looked great, but were vibrating and harsh. I had no desire to continue riding the Missions.
The Raids are a little louder than the Missions, but not by much on my bike. Most of the complaints I see about noise seem to be coming from bikes w/ 19" front wheels. I don't know if that is because the noise is worse on the 19" or if it is because the are replacing a tire that is much more heavily street biased and so a much quieter tire?
HTH
If only I was still stationed on Camp Pendleton.
Thank you for your service!
6500 miles....wow. The Missions on my Tiger 900 are approaching the wear bars at 3500. Ran AX41s on it and my GS, but got about 1200 from the rears. How does the Raid perform compared to AX41?
The AX41 is not quite as soft when it comes to the sidewalls. They are a little heavier as well... The AX41 wears out quicker but does provide better off-road traction.
I’m a going to stay with my AX41s
The AX41 tire are KING! Just wish they lasted longer...
Looks like they work great on a 390. But I don’t know anybody who rides a 390. Wondering how they work on heavier more powerful bike.
Half the mileage on the bigger more powerful bikes and the loose front end is still an issue.
Got some kms on my Raids on GS 1250. They handle pretty well, just too noisy for my liking. They really howl 120 km/h and above and it changes. Smooth highway riding doesn’t mean much to me when the howling is so loud. I wont buy again.
Very interesting... I do hear the howl and they are getting louder as the wear down... but not crazy loud on my machine. They are smooth and do well off-raod.
@@manybikes yes very good off road. I think I am a 70/30 guy and not 40/60
how do you like those VMX rims ?
Love them! Would do them again for sure. The spokes were loose when they arrived... I tightened them and then zip tied them to help prevent that in the future. Overall great quality.
I still have ptsd from my missions on the idbdr. No thanks.
I totally get the PTSD!!!
30 PSI and you're getting rock dings? I guess that sidewall IS soft! 😀
Super Super Super soft!
which is better road tire this or Pirelli scorpion rally str?
The Pirelli is a superior road tire, mainly because the wider gaps between the Raid's tread blocks cause it to follow irregularities and grooves in the road. This is a minor effect w/ the Raid's, but in my experience it's non-existent w/ the Pirelli's. The Raid's are about 95% as good on the road as the Pirelli's, but the Pirelli's are less than 50% as capable off-road compared to the Raid's. They both seem to last about the same. For me, mostly on-road use w/ occasional light off-roading (double track, dirt/gravel roads, etc), it is an easy choice. The Raid is a superior tire overall.
Hit the nail on the head! STR better on-road and Raid being better off road.
Why do you zip tie the spokes?
@@MonsterMotard makes the wheel stronger and helps keep broken spokes in place.
www.advrider.com/f/threads/why-do-some-people-zip-tie-their-spokes.244291/
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