They work in the wet! Just got back from my first ride with the Raid. Coming from the Mission. It’s been raining non stop in New England here. I couldn’t ride off road with the Missions due to zero confidence turning and lack of forward drive in anything wet. These Raid’s ripped up a wet hill and wheelied when entering my trail today. The next section was basically a river and slop. I could ride through it in a controlled two wheel drift without the fear of loosing the front end of this 450lb bike and it kept driving forward even with the soft ground and muck. I think that between the tread design, softer compound and softer ply of this tire makes this tire far superior to the Mission in every way. Even on dry pavement the tire hooks up where the Mission would suddenly blow sideways when accelerating. It just complimented everything that my KTM 790 Adventure was built for and the tires aren’t holding it back anymore!
Installed these a couple months ago on my BMW R1200GSA in preparation for an ADV training class that took place last weekend. They're a little loud on the road, but the traction was really good in both dry and wet conditions. It rained off and on during the ADV class, and they performed really well on both wet grass, light mud, and gravel road conditions. Was able to maintain traction control in all of the offroad conditions. I purchased mine online, had them shipped to my house for free, and installed/balanced them myself (first time ever trying that).
Prepping for my Baja trip from San Diego and on my Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I really love my Trailmax MIssions...and have also heard great things about the Raids as well. I think I'll go with the Raids for my Baja trip. Thanks and great vids ..keep em coming.
If you’re heading to Baja a more aggressive tire will be a step up if you plan on doing much dirt. Baja has lots of sand and pokey things. If you do mostly paved roads and some wider dirt the Raid will be fantastic, but if you plan to do more dirt maybe look at some Tusk 2 tracks. All depends on what you want to ride. Have fun down there
The Raid is a fantastic tire. I just rolled over 6500 miles on my 390 and they have been great and they probably have 2k left in them! I concur with all of the findings you have explained. Nice video, love the explanation and scenery.
Travis you rode the "Hammers" route on a mostly stock KTM 790/890 You are above average off road rider. Thank you for the honest (to a fault) tire review.
Great video. I was trying to decide between the Mission and the Raid, but I think after watching your video I will probably go with the Raid. Thanks again.
Have fun out there and ride safe. I have a video on the Mission as well and they are capable offroad as long as it’s hard pack. The Raid is much more confidence inspiring when it gets loose
I just purchased a G310GS Rally. I had them put the Raids on them before I picked it up. Prior to this bike I was riding a XT250 Yamaha with Dunlop 605. I ride all the forest roads in the Appalachian Mt. Tenn., NC, GA. The 605 work great on loose gravel (sometimes you get recently graveled areas that are like 2" thick) but getting there and home wears you out. I wanted something (as far as the bike goes) that would get me there more comfortable on the street. So I picked the Raids for better road ride but would handle the forest roads. Been on about 150 miles of trails so far (I've had the bike two weeks) and to your point the hard dirt and small loose rocks these tires are fantastic! On the street awesome! In thick loose newly laid gravel I had to hold on. Front end gets a little squirrely. No bid deal but my XT250 would plow through it better. I think some of that is the bike, 21" front tire that is more narrow on the XT250 makes forward movement through that stuff a little easier. Also the XT is 80 pounds lighter so some bike, some tires. Bottom line, 130 miles of the 150 this bike and tires were perfect. 20 miles of off road I had to hold on a little. Tight slow gravel turns the front end wanted to lie down but a little gas would bring it back up. I too grew up on the dirt. Was going to race motocross for a living until I broke my hand in 5 places one practice session and decided on another career lol. However I continued riding my entire life. Thanks for the great video. I think it's spot on! Newer less experience off roaders my op for a more aggressive tire if they are not doing much street riding.
You nailed it. It’s all a trade off for sure. You’ll need to try some real knobbies someday on the big bike so you can see what they do. These big pigs don’t really like the loose stuff much so it’s great to have a baseline on what a knobby front will actually do for comparison. Thanks again
Good vid and beautiful ride. I've been lookiong at these for my BMW R9T urban GS. No not a dirt bike at all but I do a lot of hard pack dirt and gravel roads in KY and VA. My back yard. Then I run in the mountains of Colorado. Believe these will do well. You got to get there.
@@ricardomatosmatos79These sidewalls are too soft to run at 20 PSI. THE OEM wheel me are butter and will be bent the first day. Plus, I didn’t need the extra traction that day and we were back and forth between pavement this trip. If it was a dedicated offroad trip I’d be on a different tire all together
@@EverySingleSunday I have some mounted on my F800GS and I did 2 days of ACT Portugal with 1.5bar and it was spectacular. Even on a normal road I can drive at 1.5bar without any problems. Spectacular tire! In fact, I already bought another one back for when this one wears out!
good review. New go adventure riding. Have a CB500x and the stick tire is mostly a road tire. So have been researching something with more grip. Where I am at the rainy season is upon us and wish there was an adventure tire that did better in the mud. The wet mud here is so slick, almost like a wet clay and my stock tires end up spinning and have gone down twice. Lastly, as I mentioned I am new to all of this, why do guys use Ram Mounted mirrors?
I ride a lot of offroad so these mirrors are durable and easy to remove. For mud you want a more puncture as it will clear out better vs fill with mud. It will be terrible on asphalt unfortunately Look at my Tusk 2 Track video. That might help during winter but still not a good mud tire
great video, i've been looking for someting for the pannny, pretty sure i'm going with the missions because i've come to the conclusion i do not want to pick that thing up lol, so i purchased an enduro to compliment the panny, a husky 701, when those tires need replaced , these are the ones that are probably going on it......
If you plan on doing any dirt, maybe go with a mission up raid up front and a mission out back. The raid front wears really well. Should be a solid combo
Cant say enough great things to say about Missions on my Super Tenere.... Ive run a few sets now, ride everyday (even rain) and they work well in wet. I may try the Raids out next set before my trip to UT next month from So Cal. Great job 👍
Missions were fantastic it left me wanting a little more especially up front. If you’re a big pavement guy but do a little dirt maybe a mission front with a raid out back? Curious your thoughts once you try some raids
It was definitely wearing out back after 2k miles. I’d say they will probably last 4-5 but aren’t good as the rear tread would be pretty low after 3-5k. It’s hard to use an offroad tire once it’s 1/2 gone
We ran 30f/31r for the whole trip I believe. Or maybe 32 out back. It’s been a few months now and I can’t remember exactly. But we didn’t air down for the dirt at all
very nice have them ready to put them on after 2-3 K miles on original ones, can't wait, looks like a very promising set for that kind of riding, cheers V!
Thanks, an excellent review 😀 What tire pressure did you have on-road ? did you change it for the off-road part ? Dunlop says that with the TrailMax Raid you may keep same tire pressure on and off-road.
I also have a Tenere, and unfortunately don't get that much time to go off-road. I was thinking about doing the missions over the raids, but heard they were substantially heavier than the raids. Since you had both, could you/can you tell the difference in weight between the two? Anything else I should consider for 70/30ish street bias tire? Also, what plastics are on the grey Tenere?
I didn’t notice a weight difference on the bike with the missions vs raids. I have a video on the missions as well if you want to check that out. They are great tires Plastics are from R Tek and are much more durable Thanks
Same I mentioned on FB to you. Pulled them off after this trip at around 2000 miles. They still had around 1/2 life out back and front wasn’t worn much at all
@danketchpel7460 Thanks man. There’s a full video from the trip on the channel as well if you are interested in seeing more from what I feel was my best trip ever
These tracks are owned by Ready to Ride Rentals and I do not have permission to share them He built this with plans of doing tours down here He may share them if you ask or he may not. I’m not 100% sure.
I do have another video that covers this entire trip And I share the maps a few times within there on different places we go that will help you plan stuff out if that helps
I appreciate a freeze frame showing the surface you're riding on. Lots of vides just try to describe the surface and its too blurry to really see on a videeo.
It’s hard when it’s flying by like that. Thanks for letting me know that it made it easier to see. I try stuff like this and definitely wonder if it actually matters:)
Great for the wet countries, not so great for the dry hot ones. The gravel roads here will rip those soft rubber to pieces. There is a reason they are not even selling them here in South Africa. The Missions on the other hand is the other way around. The hard rubber is great for our hard rocky gravel roads, and many riders here use them because they do not puncture easily.
Today I have a GoldenTyre 216 up front with a Tusk D Sport out back. But… I’m in a trip that is pure offroad and it only has to last 800 miles and I want ultimate traction
These won’t last long on that bike if you twist hard. I have been thinking of doing a raid up front and a mission out back next time. It’ll wear longer and
Pretty sure everyone else including Dunlop use first number as street and second dirt so 40 street 60 dirt 40/60. I really like my Raids they do howl more than a more street oriented tire like a 70/30 or even the Missions.
I thought I pulled that off the Dunlop site but I could be wrong. And these are still very quiet compared to a full offroad tire…. But definitely a bit louder than a street tire
Quite a few models definitely would have worked But the Tractionator probably would’ve been my choice because if I’m gonna go aggressive, I’m gonna go full bore It would’ve been a lot more fun on the dirt sections as we could’ve pushed harder, but definitely would have limited how hard we could ride on the street sections Everything is a give-and-take
@EverySingleSunday of course.. compromise is key here.. but indeed after a few years following and researching - I've found the best options with the least compromise possible - within MOTOZ tires lineup They seem to have been engineered somewhat differently, as if they were made for ADV\Rally bikers -- *by actual* ADV\Rally bikers .. IMO of course
@EverySingleSunday BTW , the *Raid* seemed like a serious contender as a flagship sorta do-it-all iteration, but personally I'd still like *just enough* bite at the tread's side edges , sufficient bite throughout the tire's lifespan while having *just enough* confidence inspiring profile and contact surface on-road , and MOTOZ IMO seemed to have given us a true 'unicorn' range of tires while keeping the R&D quite rapid .. I wish they will 'live long and prosper' .. they did and still do sth right for us ADV\Rally hounds.
@@EverySingleSunday I absolutely will never buy them. That goes without saying. If you want to reduce your chances of having a traction related accident, I suggest nobody buys them.
Just because something is rated M+S doesn’t mean you should go jump into a snow storm or mud pile at speed. I’ve run enough different tires over the years to know what a tire will do in certain conditions just looking at it. But… feel free to send some mud n snow down to southern California for me. I’ll take that over the 109 degree temps we had today
They work in the wet! Just got back from my first ride with the Raid. Coming from the Mission. It’s been raining non stop in New England here. I couldn’t ride off road with the Missions due to zero confidence turning and lack of forward drive in anything wet. These Raid’s ripped up a wet hill and wheelied when entering my trail today. The next section was basically a river and slop. I could ride through it in a controlled two wheel drift without the fear of loosing the front end of this 450lb bike and it kept driving forward even with the soft ground and muck. I think that between the tread design, softer compound and softer ply of this tire makes this tire far superior to the Mission in every way. Even on dry pavement the tire hooks up where the Mission would suddenly blow sideways when accelerating. It just complimented everything that my KTM 790 Adventure was built for and the tires aren’t holding it back anymore!
Awesome write up and thanks so much for sharing this. I’ll pin it so others can see it easier. Thanks again
Installed these a couple months ago on my BMW R1200GSA in preparation for an ADV training class that took place last weekend. They're a little loud on the road, but the traction was really good in both dry and wet conditions. It rained off and on during the ADV class, and they performed really well on both wet grass, light mud, and gravel road conditions. Was able to maintain traction control in all of the offroad conditions. I purchased mine online, had them shipped to my house for free, and installed/balanced them myself (first time ever trying that).
Glad they are working out for you in all conditions
Prepping for my Baja trip from San Diego and on my Tiger 900 Rally Pro. I really love my Trailmax MIssions...and have also heard great things about the Raids as well. I think I'll go with the Raids for my Baja trip. Thanks and great vids ..keep em coming.
If you’re heading to Baja a more aggressive tire will be a step up if you plan on doing much dirt. Baja has lots of sand and pokey things. If you do mostly paved roads and some wider dirt the Raid will be fantastic, but if you plan to do more dirt maybe look at some Tusk 2 tracks. All depends on what you want to ride. Have fun down there
The Raid is a fantastic tire. I just rolled over 6500 miles on my 390 and they have been great and they probably have 2k left in them! I concur with all of the findings you have explained. Nice video, love the explanation and scenery.
Great to hear! That’s a great life on them for sure
Travis you rode the "Hammers" route on a mostly stock KTM 790/890 You are above average off road rider. Thank you for the honest (to a fault) tire review.
What do you mean by the hammers route?
Great video. I was trying to decide between the Mission and the Raid, but I think after watching your video I will probably go with the Raid. Thanks again.
Have fun out there and ride safe. I have a video on the Mission as well and they are capable offroad as long as it’s hard pack. The Raid is much more confidence inspiring when it gets loose
Thx for a nice "real world" review. Really like the normal, laid back vibe. Now, the Mission or this Raid for my new MT450 here in Europe?
Well…. I have a older video on the missions as well :)
Have fun
I just purchased a G310GS Rally. I had them put the Raids on them before I picked it up. Prior to this bike I was riding a XT250 Yamaha with Dunlop 605. I ride all the forest roads in the Appalachian Mt. Tenn., NC, GA. The 605 work great on loose gravel (sometimes you get recently graveled areas that are like 2" thick) but getting there and home wears you out. I wanted something (as far as the bike goes) that would get me there more comfortable on the street. So I picked the Raids for better road ride but would handle the forest roads. Been on about 150 miles of trails so far (I've had the bike two weeks) and to your point the hard dirt and small loose rocks these tires are fantastic! On the street awesome! In thick loose newly laid gravel I had to hold on. Front end gets a little squirrely. No bid deal but my XT250 would plow through it better. I think some of that is the bike, 21" front tire that is more narrow on the XT250 makes forward movement through that stuff a little easier. Also the XT is 80 pounds lighter so some bike, some tires. Bottom line, 130 miles of the 150 this bike and tires were perfect. 20 miles of off road I had to hold on a little. Tight slow gravel turns the front end wanted to lie down but a little gas would bring it back up. I too grew up on the dirt. Was going to race motocross for a living until I broke my hand in 5 places one practice session and decided on another career lol. However I continued riding my entire life. Thanks for the great video. I think it's spot on! Newer less experience off roaders my op for a more aggressive tire if they are not doing much street riding.
You nailed it. It’s all a trade off for sure. You’ll need to try some real knobbies someday on the big bike so you can see what they do. These big pigs don’t really like the loose stuff much so it’s great to have a baseline on what a knobby front will actually do for comparison. Thanks again
Good vid and beautiful ride. I've been lookiong at these for my BMW R9T urban GS. No not a dirt bike at all but I do a lot of hard pack dirt and gravel roads in KY and VA. My back yard. Then I run in the mountains of Colorado. Believe these will do well. You got to get there.
Sounds like these might be a great fit for you. Thanks for the nice compliment.
I chose them for similar reasons - seems to be a perfect tire for adventure riding. Havent noticed anything weird in wet as well.
Glad to hear they have been great for you as well. Have fun out there
Put a set of these on my 850GS and the versatility is insane. Anywhere I'm going, I'm going confidently. Running 30f/30r psi.
Glad to hear you are enjoying them. Have fun and ride safe
Try 20psi offroad... thanks me later :P
@@ricardomatosmatos79 For sure. I leave at 30, and air down as it gets gnarlier.
@@ricardomatosmatos79These sidewalls are too soft to run at 20 PSI. THE OEM wheel me are butter and will be bent the first day. Plus, I didn’t need the extra traction that day and we were back and forth between pavement this trip. If it was a dedicated offroad trip I’d be on a different tire all together
@@EverySingleSunday I have some mounted on my F800GS and I did 2 days of ACT Portugal with 1.5bar and it was spectacular. Even on a normal road I can drive at 1.5bar without any problems. Spectacular tire! In fact, I already bought another one back for when this one wears out!
Great review ! Thanks for the info. Considering these for a DRZ supermoto.
They are sticky if you want something that can go in the dirt a bit more…. But not sticky like a good street tire. All depends where you ride at
Just fitted the Raids to my Tiger and they are great. In the UK they pitch them as a 50/50.
Very cool. Have fun out there
good review. New go adventure riding. Have a CB500x and the stick tire is mostly a road tire. So have been researching something with more grip. Where I am at the rainy season is upon us and wish there was an adventure tire that did better in the mud. The wet mud here is so slick, almost like a wet clay and my stock tires end up spinning and have gone down twice.
Lastly, as I mentioned I am new to all of this, why do guys use Ram Mounted mirrors?
I ride a lot of offroad so these mirrors are durable and easy to remove.
For mud you want a more puncture as it will clear out better vs fill with mud. It will be terrible on asphalt unfortunately
Look at my Tusk 2 Track video. That might help during winter but still not a good mud tire
@@EverySingleSunday thank you
great video, i've been looking for someting for the pannny, pretty sure i'm going with the missions because i've come to the conclusion i do not want to pick that thing up lol, so i purchased an enduro to compliment the panny, a husky 701, when those tires need replaced , these are the ones that are probably going on it......
If you plan on doing any dirt, maybe go with a mission up raid up front and a mission out back. The raid front wears really well. Should be a solid combo
@@EverySingleSunday right on! i'll definately look into doing something like that
Cant say enough great things to say about Missions on my Super Tenere.... Ive run a few sets now, ride everyday (even rain) and they work well in wet. I may try the Raids out next set before my trip to UT next month from So Cal.
Great job 👍
Missions were fantastic it left me wanting a little more especially up front. If you’re a big pavement guy but do a little dirt maybe a mission front with a raid out back? Curious your thoughts once you try some raids
Nice thorough review! How was the tire wear? Any idea of how many miles you think you will get out of them?
It was definitely wearing out back after 2k miles. I’d say they will probably last 4-5 but aren’t good as the rear tread would be pretty low after 3-5k. It’s hard to use an offroad tire once it’s 1/2 gone
Thanks
Good review thanks.
Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment, much appreciated. Hope you find the tires that work for your ride 🤙
Hi Travis,
Thanks for your great review.
What pressures were you using on the highway vs the offroad sections?
We ran 30f/31r for the whole trip I believe. Or maybe 32 out back. It’s been a few months now and I can’t remember exactly. But we didn’t air down for the dirt at all
@@EverySingleSunday Thanks!
Nice review! what tire pressure did you run? did you lower it for the off-road stuff?
We ran 30F/32R for the entire trip. Thanks
very nice have them ready to put them on after 2-3 K miles on original ones, can't wait, looks like a very promising set for that kind of riding, cheers V!
So what’s this new bike you got?
@@EverySingleSunday since I have Husky TE 300, I ditched mid size adventure and got new Ducati V4 Rally, did you have a chance to ride one?
I haven’t but they looks awesome
What pressures were you using front and rear on the dirt?
We ran 28 F/R the entire trip for onroad and off
Thanks, an excellent review 😀 What tire pressure did you have on-road ? did you change it for the off-road part ? Dunlop says that with the TrailMax Raid you may keep same tire pressure on and off-road.
I ran 30f/32r for the entire trip. Too much between on and offroad to go up and down on this trip
@@EverySingleSunday thanks for your answer, and nice rides
I also have a Tenere, and unfortunately don't get that much time to go off-road. I was thinking about doing the missions over the raids, but heard they were substantially heavier than the raids. Since you had both, could you/can you tell the difference in weight between the two? Anything else I should consider for 70/30ish street bias tire? Also, what plastics are on the grey Tenere?
I didn’t notice a weight difference on the bike with the missions vs raids. I have a video on the missions as well if you want to check that out. They are great tires
Plastics are from R Tek and are much more durable
Thanks
I ordered these for my Norden 901. It’s my first off-road tire, so my question is if i can mount them at home by hand or are they too stiff for that?
You can mount any tire at home with some spoons. It’s all about technique. I have a mounting visor for dirt bike tires you can check out
Love the Raid on my 990 🔥
Glad to hear it. They have been awesome
No comments on wear after the trip?
Same I mentioned on FB to you. Pulled them off after this trip at around 2000 miles. They still had around 1/2 life out back and front wasn’t worn much at all
@@EverySingleSunday Thanks, great video footage of the ride.
@danketchpel7460
Thanks man. There’s a full video from the trip on the channel as well if you are interested in seeing more from what I feel was my best trip ever
Can you please share the GPS Route for this? This looks like a dream trip to me.
These tracks are owned by Ready to Ride Rentals and I do not have permission to share them
He built this with plans of doing tours down here
He may share them if you ask or he may not. I’m not 100% sure.
I do have another video that covers this entire trip
And I share the maps a few times within there on different places we go that will help you plan stuff out if that helps
I found it a good performance Tyre on and off road but the front was very noisy and the back was done after 6,000km on my R1250GSA
I didn’t notice the noise at all 🤷
Absolutely love the performance, but front is noisy and rear tire life was short.
I guess that’s true compared to a slick road tire 🤷
Souther California? I thought you relocated to Utah?
All depends on the day. Spread throughout CA, AZ, UT, and NV equally these days
@@EverySingleSunday Very nice!
Always good content coming from you. Thanks!
I appreciate a freeze frame showing the surface you're riding on. Lots of vides just try to describe the surface and its too blurry to really see on a videeo.
It’s hard when it’s flying by like that. Thanks for letting me know that it made it easier to see. I try stuff like this and definitely wonder if it actually matters:)
🙌🙌
:)
Great for the wet countries, not so great for the dry hot ones. The gravel roads here will rip those soft rubber to pieces. There is a reason they are not even selling them here in South Africa. The Missions on the other hand is the other way around. The hard rubber is great for our hard rocky gravel roads, and many riders here use them because they do not puncture easily.
Very interesting. Thanks
What tires are you running as of today?
Today I have a GoldenTyre 216 up front with a Tusk D Sport out back.
But… I’m in a trip that is pure offroad and it only has to last 800 miles and I want ultimate traction
I have a Pan america looking to get a 50/50 tire i may get these.
These won’t last long on that bike if you twist hard. I have been thinking of doing a raid up front and a mission out back next time. It’ll wear longer and
Pretty sure everyone else including Dunlop use first number as street and second dirt so 40 street 60 dirt 40/60. I really like my Raids they do howl more than a more street oriented tire like a 70/30 or even the Missions.
I thought I pulled that off the Dunlop site but I could be wrong. And these are still very quiet compared to a full offroad tire…. But definitely a bit louder than a street tire
maybe a 'weird' question, but.. what MOTOZ would you have taken to this exact trip?
Quite a few models definitely would have worked
But the Tractionator probably would’ve been my choice because if I’m gonna go aggressive, I’m gonna go full bore
It would’ve been a lot more fun on the dirt sections as we could’ve pushed harder, but definitely would have limited how hard we could ride on the street sections
Everything is a give-and-take
@EverySingleSunday of course.. compromise is key here.. but indeed after a few years following and researching - I've found the best options with the least compromise possible - within MOTOZ tires lineup
They seem to have been engineered somewhat differently, as if they were made for ADV\Rally bikers -- *by actual* ADV\Rally bikers .. IMO of course
@EverySingleSunday BTW , the *Raid* seemed like a serious contender as a flagship sorta do-it-all iteration, but personally I'd still like *just enough* bite at the tread's side edges , sufficient bite throughout the tire's lifespan while having *just enough* confidence inspiring profile and contact surface on-road , and MOTOZ IMO seemed to have given us a true 'unicorn' range of tires while keeping the R&D quite rapid .. I wish they will 'live long and prosper' .. they did and still do sth right for us ADV\Rally hounds.
great vid... sorry about the BMW tards below
They are a special breed :)
Terrible tires, the entire line
If you don’t like em, don’t buy them. For me, they were perfect for these conditions
Not very many off-road tires out there that could handle the streets so incredibly well,And not be horrible off roads
This tire did that very well
How do they compare to the stock tenere tires (Scorpion rallys)?
@@EverySingleSunday I absolutely will never buy them. That goes without saying. If you want to reduce your chances of having a traction related accident, I suggest nobody buys them.
@@MrGbustamantejust curious what you would recommend?
It packs up with snow and mud? Its rates M+S. Feel you need to experience them more
Just because something is rated M+S doesn’t mean you should go jump into a snow storm or mud pile at speed. I’ve run enough different tires over the years to know what a tire will do in certain conditions just looking at it.
But… feel free to send some mud n snow down to southern California for me. I’ll take that over the 109 degree temps we had today