Wars are more than just stats. People should consider logistics and support. The Cardassians fighting on their own turf is a primary reason for some of their success. Doctrine comes into play as does the type of societies involved. Any American should recognize that superpowers often make peace with lesser powers not because they lost battles, but because the public got tired of war. The Cardassians are extremely adept at intelligence gathering and understood well that they could bleed Starfleet by simply focusing attacks on older ships and hitting civilian outposts. Ultimately, because they were in their immediate border region, with their support zone and fortified zones, they held the initiative and could pick and choose their attacks while Starfleet could not without embarking on a considerable incursion into Cardassian territory. Moreover, sheer size of Federation and Cardassian borders play a role: The Cardassians have one hostile border to worry about and can mass most of their forces there. The Federation cannot.
I like what you have done well presented and a lot of love I'm a ST vetof 50 years lol the is nothing I don't know about the franchise I'll keep watching 😊
Most of the Cardassian territory is resource scarce which is why most of the military actions they enact are in the quest to acquire more. Now you'd have to look up what was going on in the rest of the Alpha and Beta quadrants because Starfleet has many borders in which to gaurd namely the Romulan netural zone. which I'm pretty sure is why the border wars happened as im sure the Cardassians probably thought they could do a snatch and grab and the Federation would be to occupied with other more "important" events to bother to try protecting the colonies there. but found out to their detrament that because of starfleets tech advantages they didn't need to send equally sized fleet to turn the border wars into a space trench warfare
I would agree that is a high probability. They could have also been working in tandem with the romulans to. As we see in the future the obsidian order I worked with other intelligence agencies.
True. Cardassian Union was always a third rate power. The only reason they could “war” with the Federation is because the Federation is extremely pacifistic. In The Wounded, we are given insight that a Nebula class is considered a formidable enemy, and Picard is so confident in the overwhelming might of the Enterprise that he hand waves away Gul Macet’s attack as a tantrum to be addressed diplomatically. In DS9, the Klingon’s reduce them to the brink of complete subjugation within months, and Weyoun states that when the Dominion arrived on Cardassia Prime there were once again starving children in the streets (which was also a point made in Chain of Command). Really, the only threat Cardassia ever posed was to ragtag groups of poorly armed militias or as the cherry on top of the Dominion. Overall, they’re a pathetic power whose arrogance is strangely robust despite being utterly unwarranted.
@@sigiligus This is not accurate. A Nebula Class ship is formidable, a heavy cruiser, and so is the Galaxy Class which is a battleship. But they are not demonstrative of Starfleet as a whole. It is like assessing the Russian armor corps based on the few numbers of T-14s rather than the 90% of their line units composed of T-72s. Galor Types 2 and 3 were more than capable of handling older Starfleet ships. Assuming that a destroyer attacking a battleship is representative of anything meaningful is a mistake. A better representation is a Galor Type 2 and 3 mixing it up with Mirandas, Constellations, Excelsiors and a few Ambassadors. Secondly, the Klingons hit the Cardassians with a sucker punch before they had time to prepare themselves completely. Once the cease-fire ended again, the Klingons were incapable of advancing any further into Cardassian space and stuck in a stalemate that was bleeding them like an ulcer. Their position was so tenuous that their entire theater collapsed after only 78 hours after the Cardassians begun an offensive using only around 80 Dominion vessels. To be sure, the Klingons caused a lot of damage to part of the Cardassian Union, but it was far from 'subjugation.' The invasion of Cardassia was a mistake and a costly one by the Klingons. They were always going to have issues so far from home and that is why the Martok Changling pushed for the attack in the first place. I wouldn't use Weyoun's word as proof of anything.
All these statements are a great guys it's a lot to think about. And that's a really good point you really can't trust anything the Dominion says. They'll say anything in order to get the upper hand 👏 The reason I didn't mention the Galor is from a lower perspective the galore wasn't there for the very beginning showed up leader in the battles. I'm not exactly sure why but that's what what's going on with the Cardassian fleets in the beginning. Also based on some of my reworks and seeing stats and modifications I think the Cardassians were stronger than I depicted them. But after the introduction of type 10 phasers as mass production they just fell so far behind. Starfleet generation 3 was just too advanced. They did have generation 3 starships but they were extremely limited. Based deep space nine manual on the cardassians production rates
Not sure why they had to take over planets. It seems like they could just mine asteroid fields and other things if they were short on resources. Trying to occupy a planet seems like more trouble than it is worth, you have to deal with the people who inhabit that planet when you could just bypass the it and strip mine the rest of the system before moving on.
This point constantly gets raised in the shows. Sure, Cardassian ships can fight a runabout, but Picard scoffed at the idea of Cardassian’s threatening the Enterprise D and Dukat was horrified at the fact that the Defiant had been turned against them by the Maquis.
@@sigiligus It is not much of a point, it was a matter of a mismatch. People misunderstand differences in design and doctrine and make bad assumptions. The Galor is a common space-frame that is rugged and cheap, and used for a variety of roles. A Galor Type 2 like seen in "The Wounded" is a destroyer. Of course it is no match for a Galaxy Class battleship. A Galor Type III was a medium cruiser. Galaxy Class aside, the Border Wars were fought when 95% of Starfleet were not Nebula or Galaxy Class ships and the Type II and especially the Type IIIs that were coming on-line in the early 2360s were more than a match for the older classes Starfleet had. A Galor Type 3 easily outmatches an Excelsior of the period. Two can threaten a Galaxy Class. And the Cardassians built tons of Galors. Wars are not fought like War Thunder. The Cardassians were adept at focusing on older weaker ships, and attacking civilian outposts to drive up the Federation body-count to demoralize the public.
Neterok is a Cruiser how do u get planetary assault from its stats, in BotF it's not meant to be used that way it's really a heavy patrol and escorts good with hidecki squads in battle, galors planetary assaulting yeah you never used a neretok unless it's got lots of heavier stuff to escorts and your gonna lose a lot
Wars are more than just stats. People should consider logistics and support. The Cardassians fighting on their own turf is a primary reason for some of their success. Doctrine comes into play as does the type of societies involved. Any American should recognize that superpowers often make peace with lesser powers not because they lost battles, but because the public got tired of war. The Cardassians are extremely adept at intelligence gathering and understood well that they could bleed Starfleet by simply focusing attacks on older ships and hitting civilian outposts. Ultimately, because they were in their immediate border region, with their support zone and fortified zones, they held the initiative and could pick and choose their attacks while Starfleet could not without embarking on a considerable incursion into Cardassian territory. Moreover, sheer size of Federation and Cardassian borders play a role: The Cardassians have one hostile border to worry about and can mass most of their forces there. The Federation cannot.
ever noticed that the cardassian symbol resembles a boss in world of warcraft?
I did not know that what is the name of the boss.❤
@@trekwars5400 The Prophet of Skeram and the Messager Cieuriss
I like what you have done well presented and a lot of love I'm a ST vetof 50 years lol the is nothing I don't know about the franchise I'll keep watching 😊
Right on 42 and all I know is stats about spaceships. Thank you for your input
Most of the Cardassian territory is resource scarce which is why most of the military actions they enact are in the quest to acquire more.
Now you'd have to look up what was going on in the rest of the Alpha and Beta quadrants because Starfleet has many borders in which to gaurd namely the Romulan netural zone.
which I'm pretty sure is why the border wars happened as im sure the Cardassians probably thought they could do a snatch and grab and the Federation would be to occupied with other more "important" events to bother to try protecting the colonies there.
but found out to their detrament that because of starfleets tech advantages they didn't need to send equally sized fleet to turn the border wars into a space trench warfare
I would agree that is a high probability. They could have also been working in tandem with the romulans to. As we see in the future the obsidian order I worked with other intelligence agencies.
True. Cardassian Union was always a third rate power. The only reason they could “war” with the Federation is because the Federation is extremely pacifistic. In The Wounded, we are given insight that a Nebula class is considered a formidable enemy, and Picard is so confident in the overwhelming might of the Enterprise that he hand waves away Gul Macet’s attack as a tantrum to be addressed diplomatically. In DS9, the Klingon’s reduce them to the brink of complete subjugation within months, and Weyoun states that when the Dominion arrived on Cardassia Prime there were once again starving children in the streets (which was also a point made in Chain of Command). Really, the only threat Cardassia ever posed was to ragtag groups of poorly armed militias or as the cherry on top of the Dominion. Overall, they’re a pathetic power whose arrogance is strangely robust despite being utterly unwarranted.
@@sigiligus This is not accurate. A Nebula Class ship is formidable, a heavy cruiser, and so is the Galaxy Class which is a battleship. But they are not demonstrative of Starfleet as a whole. It is like assessing the Russian armor corps based on the few numbers of T-14s rather than the 90% of their line units composed of T-72s. Galor Types 2 and 3 were more than capable of handling older Starfleet ships. Assuming that a destroyer attacking a battleship is representative of anything meaningful is a mistake. A better representation is a Galor Type 2 and 3 mixing it up with Mirandas, Constellations, Excelsiors and a few Ambassadors. Secondly, the Klingons hit the Cardassians with a sucker punch before they had time to prepare themselves completely. Once the cease-fire ended again, the Klingons were incapable of advancing any further into Cardassian space and stuck in a stalemate that was bleeding them like an ulcer. Their position was so tenuous that their entire theater collapsed after only 78 hours after the Cardassians begun an offensive using only around 80 Dominion vessels. To be sure, the Klingons caused a lot of damage to part of the Cardassian Union, but it was far from 'subjugation.' The invasion of Cardassia was a mistake and a costly one by the Klingons. They were always going to have issues so far from home and that is why the Martok Changling pushed for the attack in the first place. I wouldn't use Weyoun's word as proof of anything.
All these statements are a great guys it's a lot to think about. And that's a really good point you really can't trust anything the Dominion says. They'll say anything in order to get the upper hand 👏
The reason I didn't mention the Galor is from a lower perspective the galore wasn't there for the very beginning showed up leader in the battles. I'm not exactly sure why but that's what what's going on with the Cardassian fleets in the beginning. Also based on some of my reworks and seeing stats and modifications I think the Cardassians were stronger than I depicted them. But after the introduction of type 10 phasers as mass production they just fell so far behind. Starfleet generation 3 was just too advanced. They did have generation 3 starships but they were extremely limited. Based deep space nine manual on the cardassians production rates
Not sure why they had to take over planets. It seems like they could just mine asteroid fields and other things if they were short on resources. Trying to occupy a planet seems like more trouble than it is worth, you have to deal with the people who inhabit that planet when you could just bypass the it and strip mine the rest of the system before moving on.
Not all the races are like the bayjor some of them had their own militaries so they had to fight them for their resources.
Photon torpedoes are not Antimatter bombs both are completely different .
O my G.........54 isoton yield 😅😅😅😅😅 that's a big cluster on my part.. AAA AAA a
The Cardassian ships were at least a century behind federation tec no way do any of there ships compare or beat fed ships 🤔
This point constantly gets raised in the shows. Sure, Cardassian ships can fight a runabout, but Picard scoffed at the idea of Cardassian’s threatening the Enterprise D and Dukat was horrified at the fact that the Defiant had been turned against them by the Maquis.
They are not a century behind.
@@sigiligus It is not much of a point, it was a matter of a mismatch. People misunderstand differences in design and doctrine and make bad assumptions. The Galor is a common space-frame that is rugged and cheap, and used for a variety of roles. A Galor Type 2 like seen in "The Wounded" is a destroyer. Of course it is no match for a Galaxy Class battleship. A Galor Type III was a medium cruiser. Galaxy Class aside, the Border Wars were fought when 95% of Starfleet were not Nebula or Galaxy Class ships and the Type II and especially the Type IIIs that were coming on-line in the early 2360s were more than a match for the older classes Starfleet had. A Galor Type 3 easily outmatches an Excelsior of the period. Two can threaten a Galaxy Class. And the Cardassians built tons of Galors. Wars are not fought like War Thunder. The Cardassians were adept at focusing on older weaker ships, and attacking civilian outposts to drive up the Federation body-count to demoralize the public.
Neterok is a Cruiser how do u get planetary assault from its stats, in BotF it's not meant to be used that way it's really a heavy patrol and escorts good with hidecki squads in battle, galors planetary assaulting yeah you never used a neretok unless it's got lots of heavier stuff to escorts and your gonna lose a lot
How does the cardassian scouts ships compare to starfleert defiant class in battle 1v1 or 1v4?
Us Defiant versus about 20
Hidekis are weak.