To be fair, Demon Slayer, CSM, Twin Star Exorcists, JJK, and Black Clover all took their cues from Bleach, all their authors explicitly said Bleach is one of their biggest inspirations which is why monsters/demons vs monster/demon slayers is so big lately.
I've never heard demon slayer or chainsaw man's author say they took inspiration from bleach (which took inspiration from YYH which then took inspiraton from dragon ball). Chainsaw man's author said he had to copy what was popular in the shounen magazine (JJK) to get a placement within the magazine and to do well. But also stated he wanted to set himself apart.
@@vijaz5559 i dont look at sales but if you say so. Seems top be doing well enough to be the 5th best selling manga in 2023. i also recall seeing its sales in the US and it looks to be the best selling manga in the US besides demon slayer.
@@ben99ny69bruh go to Google or TH-cam and ask the question yourself. You will find the answer. Also Bleach was released at the dusk of anime and manga.
I think it's time to allow the MCs to stand alone at the start. Allow them and the reader to see the world without outside characters who quickly take over the plot and the MC falls to the wayside.
I mean bleach is the original one to have this story structure. All the others took it from bleach , so unironically bleach doesn't fall under the common trope you are talking about.
Not really....Devilman started it all the way back in the 70s, and even then Devilman took heavy inspiration from Kamen Rider. Evil powers being used for good.
You won't get much originality from manga, they get put on harsh schedules and they have to impress readers etx, so taking risk might just kill their work which is unfortunate because with original stories more ideas come out.
I dont really watch shonen anymore tbh unless it's from the sports genre. the tropes are too repetitive and predictable. Jojo is one of the few unique cases that i always love because... it's one of the only progressive unique series out there
@@pbtenchi One Piece is definitely fantasy Adventure but those 3 series are not the same genre. Bleach is supernatural urban fantasy. I dont care enough about Naruto to give it any thought atm but you could find out by just looking it up on literally any manga site.
yup this is why i can't get into any shounen because they develop into either the exact way or very similar to other shounen. Copy and paste just change skins and order in which it goes, boring. If you watched 1, you've watched them all.
Good video, the individual agency of a Protagonist or main character is important indeed. I hope Gachakutia's MC explores more of the Surface on his own and I think it's a story with immense worldbuilding potential to maybe come close to the level of something like Made in Abyss for example.
There is this thing called tropes and another thing called plot shortcut. You use the same things over and over (tropes) because people know and like them, so you don't have to waste any time in explaining them. And you also use the same things over and over because they become shortycuts to where you want the plot to go to, thus skipping a build up that can be very long and will lose a lot of people.
well, shonen isn't a genre, but a target, and every manga, aside from its themes, has a target, defined only by the magazine where it's published on. Because of that, shonen becomes just an indication of the target of the magazine, and not of the themes treated in each manga, i could take for example the 7th part of JoJo (Steel Ball Run), wich was initially published on weekly shonen jump, but soon moved on to a seinen monthly magazine, due to the author's need for more time to work on chapters, this change didn't affect the manga significantly tho. Also, anime doesn't have a target, because it isn't published in any magazine, so you can say that an anime is inspired from a shonen manga, but that doesn't mean it has a target, and it doesn't mean it is meant to be seen by a similar audience as the original's. Targets are entirely separate from genres, in fact, you can have an action/battle manga like chainsaw man and a comedy manga like spy x family both being shonen, this shows how targets are more of an objective thing for a manga, as those two don't have basically nothing in common, and the first has a lot more graphic content if compared to the second. I'm sorry if I didn't sound clear or if I made grammar issues but English isn't my first language.
Thanks. I've argued this before with people, how calling something a 'Shonen' is like calling something 'pg-13'. It means nothing other than who it's targeted towards and is mostly used as a term of derision and contempt moreo than anything else.
It doesn't really have a trope name, but fans do refer to what you're describing as either "urban fantasy shonen" or "exorcism battle shonen", in which the manga revolves around an organization combating a group of demons or spirits or monsters, with the main character being half monster themself.
I just call them Bleach clones or the Bleach formula, but I also define the trope as being more narrow. I don't think It's fair to lump in literally every anime/manga where the protagonist works for an organization. At that point just call it the origination trope. I feel like 80% of the video struggle to defines something that's not that complicated.
A lot of what you said can be answered with "money". They have a formula that works. They don't wanna change it. It's the same reason why the main characters are more or less all the same + being physically appealing. If people like it then profit. If not then they've wasted time and money on something not proven to work + have appeal.
I remember reading an interview by the author os assassination classroom and now elisice samurai. If i remember correctly, he was a judge on a panel reading pitches or one shots of manga. He stated that he disliked it because of how many were very similar to chainsaw man (and im sure others).
perosonally cant really see the problem. While this is a common trope thats just because most world building premises their is going to be some group that rises to power. So an author has the choices of either making the protags ally of that group or that group being the antagonists(or making it more of an anarchy/ tons of smaller factions thing but thats somewhat more niche a scenario). When your talking about such a broad idea theirs only like 3 options theirs inevitably going to be a ton of examples for all of them meaning you can easily make this exact same argument for the opposite side as well. "Shounen series alway use the premise of a small group of protas against this huge group of villains that have power over the world. Just look at one piece, avatar, the seven deadly sins, tomodachi game, akame ga kill, tokyo ghoul, etc" i agree theirs probally a bit of a bias towards this format just because its an easier premise to make but i cant really see it at the biggest problem in shounen
While you are right that there aren’t that many choices to make when it comes to the factions, it’s a matter of those factions combined with all the other stuff I talked about that makes it an issue. I don’t have an issue with factions by themselves, I have a problem with factions that just so happen to protect the world against a certain type of evil. These factions who use powers that the main character suddenly unearths or Is forced to reveal to the world. The list goes on. There’s other stuff about it that I take issue with that isn’t just the concept of factions. Hopefully my video didn’t give you the wrong impression on that and if it did I apologize for not being clear.
@@RoroReviewsStuff you dont need to apologize i think you got your point its just a personal dissagreement. Maybe i just got more of a tollerance for tropes its tends to never really bother me
Ya need to get on jojo if u havent already. it started to be progressive since the 80s. even though the first few parts can be really corny it still tries to do things differently than its peers. part 3 actually started the whole thing for monster of the week but it was during a time when tournament arcs were a thing so it was actually unique at the time. it didn't fully work since sometimes it dragged on but I appreciate that it tried to do something different. thats jojo in a nutshell. it doesnt follow other cliches, it creates its own and does its own thing
I’ve been meaning to check Jojo out for a while but I haven’t gotten the chance since the series is so massive, I’ll definitely give it a shot soon though!
@@RoroReviewsStuff oh interesting. yeah it's divided into parts. I'd say 1-3 are already unique for its time but probably don't age as well. i always urge ppl to be patient and get past those slower parts. 4-8 are straight up just amazing and ahead of its time imo. 7 and 8 are Seinen and not shonen because the series didnt fit what the shonen jump magazine wanted anymore. that says a lot about the series already tbh
Shonen has no flaws, imo, especially considering that these are stories written for teenage boys and most of them are pretty fkn deep. They give great rolemodels, life experiences, lessons in morality, teaching right from wrong, reminds you of the importance of communicating, etc New anime don't do any of that anymore. Literally just pure entertainment now. For example: The "baka MC" has been replaced by either the "pervert MC" or the "anxious MC". The Baka MC was a good starting point to teach lessons. But changing that entire dynamic to a pervert, or an anxious character, renders all of that mute. The pervert will focus on selfish stuff and sexual content. While the anxious one will deliver on a seriously depressing, gonna slit my wrists, type of story. Who tf do you help with this!? Morality has become dark gray, at best Right and wrong have literally been fused together And they give more detailed backstories to psychopathic villains, increasing fanbases for those types of characters, turning thèm into rolemodels. And just look how objectification made a full comeback as well.... People are literally being openly perverted anywhere and everywhere as often as they can. Zoomers completely destroyed what anime stands for a downgraded it to just entertainment for which you turn your brain off ...
You’re right but I made this video for people who may not have known that so I just referred to it as a genre to be more easily understood. “The biggest problem with the Shonen demographic” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it lol
@@RoroReviewsStuff it could have made sense if you said battle shounen - as easily understood and it doesn't make newcomers to anime and manga community have incorrect idea what shounen means I'm sorry if I come across rude or mean, that's not my intention. I'm just tired of seeing people think that shounen = battle animanga
@@feniks6681 Yeh I understand why you're annoyed since it's a really common misconception and I'm sorry for propagating it in any way. I'll try to be more mindful of this stuff in the future, thanks for being honest!
What chainsaw man does with denji trunk into a demon is completely different to what demon slayer does with nezuko similar story structure or not. When you simplify everything to troupes or story structure of course everything is “samey” it’s what they do with that structure that defines them and makes them stand out. Ex being that tanjiro is the mc and the main focus with nezuko being his source of motivation and love. Denji is completely different to itadori, naruto, etc. Your complaints on gachiakuta just sounds like your tired of shonen in general.
In the video I specifically call out those differences and state that I'm not going after those shounen series. I used them to prove a point because they are popular and most people watching have probably seen them already. The problem I have with the use of this story structure is that series tend to use it whether or not it fits their tone. Gachiakuta has a wildly different tone from Demon Slayer or Chainsaw Man, yet is still insists on using the same story structure. The same is also true for Kajiki no Ryourinin, another shounen that insists on using this story structure despite having the opportunity to do something different. I agree that when you simplify things down unnecessarily everything starts to looks the same, but when almost every shounen shares the same superficial plot progression, I feel like this is an apt problem to call out.
These are bad descriptions of Demon Slayer 😅, Tanjiro is not out for revenge, it's not episodic, and the way it flows between arcs is given a lot of attention to do naturally and seemlessly.
As somenone that has watch anime nearly all its life i am going to sai it, shonen is one of the things that is killling anime, anime used to be varied, and have a lot of genres with many ideas, anod now, is always, shonen, shonen, sometimes romance, comedys wit h slice of life, that is it, genres that made anime famous sci fi, specially mecha and magical girl are gone, and now shonen and isekai wich there are a lot of shonen have murder anime
The main issue is people tend to see shonen as a genre as it isn't supposed to be that way mainly battle shonen which is what you commonly see today. Try read these: Great Teacher Onizuka, Slam Dunk, Death Note, Your Lie in April, Triage X, Gunslinger Girl, Project ARMS, Arago. These are SHONEN.
Shonen isnt a genre, its a demographic and even if we were we're specifically just talking about weekly shonen jump manga when we're talking about it. Shonen magazine and shonen sunday mostly have vastly different styles of manga. Fairy tail and inu yasha tend to be exceptions to the rules rather than the norm. Heres how to find out if a manga is shonen or seinan or shojo and how deep this catagorization genuinely is: read what magazine the manga was published in. If its in a shonen magazine, its shonen. If its published in a seinan magazine, congratulations! You're reading a seinan! Vinland saga began in a shonen magazine, shonen sunday to be precise, but was moved to a seinan not because it was too mature or violent or dark but because it was going to start being far less action packed and more philosophical and medatative. I'm sorry but this genuinely gets annoying to me. Its like putting signifigance in movie ratings.
I swear shonen is what makes people lose like 100 iq points. I don't want here any people who want to be story writers go like "hey I want to take inspiration from this *cleverly written* shonen anime" 😂
Shonen is literally made for kids by definition and made by people who openly don't take their stories seriously and crack jokes about plotholes and forgetting details.
Slice of life is inherently defined by it's lack of entertainment value. It's like how a drama is defined by having a serious plot but a lack of entertainment value aside from it's plot, but the plot should be enough. However slice of life is a genre for media that lacks a story that's engaging enough to be considered a drama, lacks enough or all comedy to be considered such, lacks enough or all action to be considered such, lacks enough or all horror to be considered such, lacks enough or all romance to be considered such, and lacks enough or all eroticism to be considered porn or any of the plethora of euphemistic synonyms. Slice of life is inherently boring by design. Slice of life is for adults who find entertainment through living vicariously through fictional characters and their mundane actions. You should be ashamed to be a fan of slice of life.
To be fair, Demon Slayer, CSM, Twin Star Exorcists, JJK, and Black Clover all took their cues from Bleach, all their authors explicitly said Bleach is one of their biggest inspirations which is why monsters/demons vs monster/demon slayers is so big lately.
I've never heard demon slayer or chainsaw man's author say they took inspiration from bleach (which took inspiration from YYH which then took inspiraton from dragon ball).
Chainsaw man's author said he had to copy what was popular in the shounen magazine (JJK) to get a placement within the magazine and to do well. But also stated he wanted to set himself apart.
@@ben99ny69 and thats why part 2 is his downfall 😂😂😂 it falls down on sales number
@@vijaz5559 i dont look at sales but if you say so. Seems top be doing well enough to be the 5th best selling manga in 2023.
i also recall seeing its sales in the US and it looks to be the best selling manga in the US besides demon slayer.
@@ben99ny69bruh go to Google or TH-cam and ask the question yourself. You will find the answer. Also Bleach was released at the dusk of anime and manga.
@@ben99ny69 I never thought about lumping YYH into this trope but it absolutely fits.
I understand that, it can work and it can’t, but it’s definitely overused lol
1:35 Sukuna is not a cursed spirit. He's a reincarnated sorcerer
I think it's time to allow the MCs to stand alone at the start. Allow them and the reader to see the world without outside characters who quickly take over the plot and the MC falls to the wayside.
I mean bleach is the original one to have this story structure. All the others took it from bleach , so unironically bleach doesn't fall under the common trope you are talking about.
Exactly and even in bleach there's more than one enemy race
Not really....Devilman started it all the way back in the 70s, and even then Devilman took heavy inspiration from Kamen Rider. Evil powers being used for good.
@@lasthand3428 what evil powers are you talking about
Yeah I'm a bit tired of this trope, immediately I see a new one with it I automatically shut my eyes
Kubo Tite is the one who you should look at for this trope becoming widely used.
@@Joshua_N-A yeah ik he's one of the first people to do it
You won't get much originality from manga, they get put on harsh schedules and they have to impress readers etx, so taking risk might just kill their work which is unfortunate because with original stories more ideas come out.
Hey man, great video. I have had trouble getting invested in new Shonen and you articulated it well.
Thankss, Glad you enjoyed!
I dont really watch shonen anymore tbh unless it's from the sports genre. the tropes are too repetitive and predictable. Jojo is one of the few unique cases that i always love because... it's one of the only progressive unique series out there
I will say this, though kaiju no 8 at least the main protagonist is not a teenage kid
The biggest problem with this video is the title. Shounen is not a genre. It's a demographic.
Then what do you call the genre of things like One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, etc. They are clearly a genre distinct from just fantasy adventure.
@@pbtenchi One Piece is definitely fantasy Adventure but those 3 series are not the same genre. Bleach is supernatural urban fantasy. I dont care enough about Naruto to give it any thought atm but you could find out by just looking it up on literally any manga site.
@@pbtenchi why are they different? They clearly are fantasy. One Piece and Naruto are high fantasy shows, Bleach is in the Urban Fantasy category
Demographics call for a genre, even if you were right
Coloquially, this genre is now referred to as Shounen, making it shounen
@@TheSadMusician "demographics call for genre" what does that even mean?
yup this is why i can't get into any shounen because they develop into either the exact way or very similar to other shounen. Copy and paste just change skins and order in which it goes, boring. If you watched 1, you've watched them all.
This is false.
Dragon Ball is shonen. Death Note is a shonen. Rent A Girlfriend is shonen. Shonen is a demographic.
Good video, the individual agency of a Protagonist or main character is important indeed. I hope Gachakutia's MC explores more of the Surface on his own and I think it's a story with immense worldbuilding potential to maybe come close to the level of something like Made in Abyss for example.
There is this thing called tropes and another thing called plot shortcut. You use the same things over and over (tropes) because people know and like them, so you don't have to waste any time in explaining them. And you also use the same things over and over because they become shortycuts to where you want the plot to go to, thus skipping a build up that can be very long and will lose a lot of people.
1:18 yeah, a lot of action Shounen do that monster of the week formula. Pretty normal.
well, shonen isn't a genre, but a target, and every manga, aside from its themes, has a target, defined only by the magazine where it's published on.
Because of that, shonen becomes just an indication of the target of the magazine, and not of the themes treated in each manga, i could take for example the 7th part of JoJo (Steel Ball Run), wich was initially published on weekly shonen jump, but soon moved on to a seinen monthly magazine, due to the author's need for more time to work on chapters, this change didn't affect the manga significantly tho.
Also, anime doesn't have a target, because it isn't published in any magazine, so you can say that an anime is inspired from a shonen manga, but that doesn't mean it has a target, and it doesn't mean it is meant to be seen by a similar audience as the original's.
Targets are entirely separate from genres, in fact, you can have an action/battle manga like chainsaw man and a comedy manga like spy x family both being shonen, this shows how targets are more of an objective thing for a manga, as those two don't have basically nothing in common, and the first has a lot more graphic content if compared to the second.
I'm sorry if I didn't sound clear or if I made grammar issues but English isn't my first language.
Thanks. I've argued this before with people, how calling something a 'Shonen' is like calling something 'pg-13'. It means nothing other than who it's targeted towards and is mostly used as a term of derision and contempt moreo than anything else.
Shonen is a genre. A genre is a collection of tropes and features that sets the expectations by comparing itself to other items within the same genre.
@@dugonman8360 If you consider sports to be action than pretty much all Shonen series are action series, at least well over 90%.
It doesn't really have a trope name, but fans do refer to what you're describing as either "urban fantasy shonen" or "exorcism battle shonen", in which the manga revolves around an organization combating a group of demons or spirits or monsters, with the main character being half monster themself.
I just call them Bleach clones or the Bleach formula, but I also define the trope as being more narrow. I don't think It's fair to lump in literally every anime/manga where the protagonist works for an organization. At that point just call it the origination trope. I feel like 80% of the video struggle to defines something that's not that complicated.
Technically YuYu Hakusho kinda did the formula first.
A lot of what you said can be answered with "money".
They have a formula that works. They don't wanna change it. It's the same reason why the main characters are more or less all the same + being physically appealing. If people like it then profit. If not then they've wasted time and money on something not proven to work + have appeal.
I remember reading an interview by the author os assassination classroom and now elisice samurai.
If i remember correctly, he was a judge on a panel reading pitches or one shots of manga. He stated that he disliked it because of how many were very similar to chainsaw man (and im sure others).
6:16 that's where the problem comes instead him growing they just make op
It gets boring time to time
That I think in bleach ichgo lost his op powers. In most battle shonen when the hero become op it now done.
perosonally cant really see the problem. While this is a common trope thats just because most world building premises their is going to be some group that rises to power. So an author has the choices of either making the protags ally of that group or that group being the antagonists(or making it more of an anarchy/ tons of smaller factions thing but thats somewhat more niche a scenario). When your talking about such a broad idea theirs only like 3 options theirs inevitably going to be a ton of examples for all of them meaning you can easily make this exact same argument for the opposite side as well.
"Shounen series alway use the premise of a small group of protas against this huge group of villains that have power over the world. Just look at one piece, avatar, the seven deadly sins, tomodachi game, akame ga kill, tokyo ghoul, etc"
i agree theirs probally a bit of a bias towards this format just because its an easier premise to make but i cant really see it at the biggest problem in shounen
While you are right that there aren’t that many choices to make when it comes to the factions, it’s a matter of those factions combined with all the other stuff I talked about that makes it an issue. I don’t have an issue with factions by themselves, I have a problem with factions that just so happen to protect the world against a certain type of evil. These factions who use powers that the main character suddenly unearths or Is forced to reveal to the world. The list goes on. There’s other stuff about it that I take issue with that isn’t just the concept of factions. Hopefully my video didn’t give you the wrong impression on that and if it did I apologize for not being clear.
@@RoroReviewsStuff you dont need to apologize i think you got your point its just a personal dissagreement. Maybe i just got more of a tollerance for tropes its tends to never really bother me
thanks for the video, keep going love your work
keep crafting your vision
bye
It happens because most of the new shonens are influenced by bleach and yu yu haku show🤷🏼♂️
Biggest flaw? No question it’s The Chosen One trope 💯🗑️
Would it be just fine had Naruto being just the 4th's son and no more than that?
@@Joshua_N-A Honestly yes, because that whole reincarnation prove neji right.
The chosen one trope is only a problem when it's retconned in. Retcons are a bigger problem.
Ya need to get on jojo if u havent already. it started to be progressive since the 80s. even though the first few parts can be really corny it still tries to do things differently than its peers. part 3 actually started the whole thing for monster of the week but it was during a time when tournament arcs were a thing so it was actually unique at the time. it didn't fully work since sometimes it dragged on but I appreciate that it tried to do something different. thats jojo in a nutshell. it doesnt follow other cliches, it creates its own and does its own thing
I’ve been meaning to check Jojo out for a while but I haven’t gotten the chance since the series is so massive, I’ll definitely give it a shot soon though!
@@RoroReviewsStuff oh interesting. yeah it's divided into parts. I'd say 1-3 are already unique for its time but probably don't age as well. i always urge ppl to be patient and get past those slower parts. 4-8 are straight up just amazing and ahead of its time imo. 7 and 8 are Seinen and not shonen because the series didnt fit what the shonen jump magazine wanted anymore. that says a lot about the series already tbh
Good point
I wouldn’t say FMA but yeah, you are right on the dot
Shonen has no flaws, imo, especially considering that these are stories written for teenage boys and most of them are pretty fkn deep.
They give great rolemodels, life experiences, lessons in morality, teaching right from wrong, reminds you of the importance of communicating, etc
New anime don't do any of that anymore. Literally just pure entertainment now.
For example:
The "baka MC" has been replaced by either the "pervert MC" or the "anxious MC".
The Baka MC was a good starting point to teach lessons.
But changing that entire dynamic to a pervert, or an anxious character, renders all of that mute.
The pervert will focus on selfish stuff and sexual content.
While the anxious one will deliver on a seriously depressing, gonna slit my wrists, type of story.
Who tf do you help with this!?
Morality has become dark gray, at best
Right and wrong have literally been fused together
And they give more detailed backstories to psychopathic villains, increasing fanbases for those types of characters, turning thèm into rolemodels.
And just look how objectification made a full comeback as well.... People are literally being openly perverted anywhere and everywhere as often as they can.
Zoomers completely destroyed what anime stands for a downgraded it to just entertainment for which you turn your brain off ...
promoting oversexulation acts SPOT ON
🤡🤡🤡
It’s Facts Sadly, anime used to be so much more.
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gaysekai fan spotted
Shounen. Is. Not. A. Genre.
It's demographic of manga magazine.
You’re right but I made this video for people who may not have known that so I just referred to it as a genre to be more easily understood. “The biggest problem with the Shonen demographic” doesn’t quite have the same ring to it lol
@@RoroReviewsStuff it could have made sense if you said battle shounen - as easily understood and it doesn't make newcomers to anime and manga community have incorrect idea what shounen means
I'm sorry if I come across rude or mean, that's not my intention. I'm just tired of seeing people think that shounen = battle animanga
@@feniks6681 Yeh I understand why you're annoyed since it's a really common misconception and I'm sorry for propagating it in any way. I'll try to be more mindful of this stuff in the future, thanks for being honest!
@@feniks6681 battle shounen isn't a genre either tho. Battle itself isn't even a genre, ACTION is a genre.
you r right@@lolcall5295
Do you have a discord server?
I don't have one right now but if people are interested I may make one
@@RoroReviewsStuff I think it would be cool and there isn’t really any downside
That’s true I’ll try making one before my next upload
its from alita the battle angel
What chainsaw man does with denji trunk into a demon is completely different to what demon slayer does with nezuko similar story structure or not. When you simplify everything to troupes or story structure of course everything is “samey” it’s what they do with that structure that defines them and makes them stand out. Ex being that tanjiro is the mc and the main focus with nezuko being his source of motivation and love. Denji is completely different to itadori, naruto, etc.
Your complaints on gachiakuta just sounds like your tired of shonen in general.
In the video I specifically call out those differences and state that I'm not going after those shounen series. I used them to prove a point because they are popular and most people watching have probably seen them already. The problem I have with the use of this story structure is that series tend to use it whether or not it fits their tone. Gachiakuta has a wildly different tone from Demon Slayer or Chainsaw Man, yet is still insists on using the same story structure. The same is also true for Kajiki no Ryourinin, another shounen that insists on using this story structure despite having the opportunity to do something different.
I agree that when you simplify things down unnecessarily everything starts to looks the same, but when almost every shounen shares the same superficial plot progression, I feel like this is an apt problem to call out.
What if the hero never joins an organization? Spider-Man is a good example, unless you include him joining the Avengers.
It sounds more like you're talking about a sub-genre not a trope. It's something you could call the Monster-Hunter genre.
These are bad descriptions of Demon Slayer 😅, Tanjiro is not out for revenge, it's not episodic, and the way it flows between arcs is given a lot of attention to do naturally and seemlessly.
Nice one with using the Persona 5 music
I never thought TQQ would be considered Shonen as its labeled as Harem
I wish you had made the title more accurate to the video then
As somenone that has watch anime nearly all its life i am going to sai it, shonen is one of the things that is killling anime, anime used to be varied, and have a lot of genres with many ideas, anod now, is always, shonen, shonen, sometimes romance, comedys wit h slice of life, that is it, genres that made anime famous sci fi, specially mecha and magical girl are gone, and now shonen and isekai wich there are a lot of shonen have murder anime
The main issue is people tend to see shonen as a genre as it isn't supposed to be that way mainly battle shonen which is what you commonly see today. Try read these: Great Teacher Onizuka, Slam Dunk, Death Note, Your Lie in April, Triage X, Gunslinger Girl, Project ARMS, Arago. These are SHONEN.
Read DandaDan it’s different not completely but mostly
Shonen isnt a genre, its a demographic and even if we were we're specifically just talking about weekly shonen jump manga when we're talking about it.
Shonen magazine and shonen sunday mostly have vastly different styles of manga. Fairy tail and inu yasha tend to be exceptions to the rules rather than the norm.
Heres how to find out if a manga is shonen or seinan or shojo and how deep this catagorization genuinely is: read what magazine the manga was published in. If its in a shonen magazine, its shonen. If its published in a seinan magazine, congratulations! You're reading a seinan!
Vinland saga began in a shonen magazine, shonen sunday to be precise, but was moved to a seinan not because it was too mature or violent or dark but because it was going to start being far less action packed and more philosophical and medatative.
I'm sorry but this genuinely gets annoying to me. Its like putting signifigance in movie ratings.
Whatever
Shonen is a genre. A genre is a collection of tropes and features that sets the expectations by comparing itself to other items within the same genre.
I swear shonen is what makes people lose like 100 iq points. I don't want here any people who want to be story writers go like "hey I want to take inspiration from this *cleverly written* shonen anime" 😂
Shonen is literally made for kids by definition and made by people who openly don't take their stories seriously and crack jokes about plotholes and forgetting details.
AOT is the best with this concept
Hunter X Hunter doesnt fit with what u laid out.
The biggest flaw here is that shounen is not a genre. It's a demographic.
Shonen is for kids and angsty teenagers......slice of life is for adults
Slice of life is inherently defined by it's lack of entertainment value. It's like how a drama is defined by having a serious plot but a lack of entertainment value aside from it's plot, but the plot should be enough. However slice of life is a genre for media that lacks a story that's engaging enough to be considered a drama, lacks enough or all comedy to be considered such, lacks enough or all action to be considered such, lacks enough or all horror to be considered such, lacks enough or all romance to be considered such, and lacks enough or all eroticism to be considered porn or any of the plethora of euphemistic synonyms. Slice of life is inherently boring by design. Slice of life is for adults who find entertainment through living vicariously through fictional characters and their mundane actions. You should be ashamed to be a fan of slice of life.
Yeah cause something like chainsaw man and attack on titan is for dem kiddies of 7 to 10💀
@@MrSai-mn8wz 14 year olds are kids too.
The fact you called shounen a genre automatically means you dont know what your talking about
Shonen is a demographic, not a genre. Didn't watch.
Didn't think either. You didn't miss anything though.