I think some parents are delusional. My ex-husband fought for his country in Afghanistan and also beat me when he came home from deployment....serving in the military does not mean you are a good person. Period.
A lot of army husbands and wives who serve in the army can come back and do awful things, I think it's because they need counselling but either refuse it or think they don't need it, my husband talked a lot and I think that helped a lot, I do know a lot of men especially keep things in because they believe they should otherwise they're not men. It's really sad because there are so many who just keep quiet about abuse 😔
Before you tell someone who says they were abused that their abuser is such a good person who would never do that, understand that abusers don't abuse everyone they meet. And be grateful you never had to see that side of them.
After I left my abusive husband, (24 years ago), a long time friend of mine was doubtful of my experience. She said 'Well, I never saw him hit you'. Guess who is no longer a friend of mine?
Yeah that dad certainly had tunnel vision. His son was a hero in the military. Maybe he was trying hard to rectify or feel better about what he had done before his military career.
"He's kind" - So was Ted Bundy when he volunteered to work the phones at a crisis center. If acts of kindness eliminated someone as a suspect the prisons should be empty.
@@SP7420-v3b BTK were also in the army.. Dennis Rader served in the United States Air Force from 1966 to 1970. Four years after he was discharged he Killed 5 people during 1974. Including a 9 year old boy. Then he continued with killing 5 more until he was caught and arrested in February 2005.
Yes that's true because there are lot's of people who attack others and people close to them dont know. I had a friend who I truly thought loved her husband and yet she set him and the flat on fire and those small children nearly died so we don't know people as well as we think. I think she might still be in prison I have never spoken to her since she killed him and he was a lovely guy a bit timid which made me wonder if she abused him.
And BTK used his church computer to send taunting messages to police. Pathological criminals camouflage themselves by putting on appearances of being “ good”.
Also "he saves lives!" because he was in the military. Ummm there are a TON of crazy people in the military, many who have brutally murdered others. That's the stupidest thing I've heard.
@@SteveDrenser You ever looked at just how many Americans have served? On the other hand, overwhelming majority of Israelis and Finnish serve as they have universal conscription.
@@chrislastname1994focused on 2 that are constantly coming up within the investigation. I'm convinced they checked elsewhere as her own Father stated he was checked...fs you should be happy these 2 vile creatures are off the streets mate. rip Beautiful Angel 😢
Spoken like true agents of evil..but I pray for you nonetheless. For even at our worst and lowest God never gives up on any of us. He loves us unconditionally, as should we all.🙏 ❤️
So was BTK. So was Joyce Meyer's security guard that murdered his wife and 2 children. Ted Bundy was very involved in his church, many of his friends from that church supported him at first. We could go on and on.
People need to stop saying.. he/ she could NEVER do something like this. If there is one thing you learn watching these crime shows it is that .. YES THEY CAN.
The only Unless I can think of is if you're the actual alibi. There have been so many cringe interviews both before and after trial of family and friends defending those with obvious evidence against them, Lori Vallow's mom and sister spring to mind.
@@RM_VFX I get that. But sometimes they blame the victim and everyone else. ANYTHING to not admit that their loved one is guilty. I can see saying that right away. But when all the evidence points to guilt it’s time to stop saying that.
Both their phones pinged en route to the crime & are conveniently switched off during the time of the murders. Plus the business card with his DNA on it. Yeah nah there can be only so many coincidences. They're guilty af and I'm glad the jury got it right
@@chrislastname1994 well you watched the damn show and you're out here defending the perps in almost every comment so I assumed you have a theory or you're related to the perps.
Ya that’s awful. I’m afraid that may have been her cause of death too. Like they may have lit her on fire while alive. I can’t imagine. They said they couldn’t determine it correct?
Yes! It tells EVERYTHING. Now, THAT'S absolutely SICKENING. I do NOT believe in coincidences. ONLY someone with specific knowledge and extreme, personal rage towards that person would do something that twisted. And that is 💯 premeditated.
It’s sad how much the murderer’s families are in denial. Sad. The father said he deserved better than this. Well, Becky, her Mom & her Mom’s boyfriend didn’t deserve this.
I think its kind of nice that they got to get married and one had kids and they were surrounded by all this family and all that just abruptly ended for them. Its so much better when people like this have even more to lose.
Maybe he didn't do it. I'm amazed by the comment section completely disregarding the obvious suspect of Javier Garcia Jr. A father in the DA's office? If he's the guilty party then there is nothing about this case that couldn't be tainted. That alone would give me reasonable doubt when the rest of the evidence is so flimsy.
Compartmentalization. He's compartmentalized the different parts of himself to keep up the facade. I hope his wife and daughter figure out enough to stay away before he can't keep it all together anymore.
They were 17/18 years old. When I turned 25, I was a completely different person. It's called you grow up. Doesn't change the fact I was "young and stupid."
Exactly!! 7 years is a long time to realize your mistakes and learn from them. I feel like they are leading the lives they are because they regret that stupid decision when they were teens.
But what is your point? They still need to be held responsible. And also, 99.999999% of 17/18 year olds aren’t setting people on fire and killing families so I tend to think it’s more than just being “young and stupid.” Maybe “young and psycho,” but psychopathy doesn’t go away with age.
No - the defense attorney said they "didn't find a corroborating witness". It was a few years after the event and I'm sure most people who work at Denny's see things like that all the time, so no one working then would have a distinct memory of it. Nothing says it never happened. (Edited for a missing quotation mark.)
It could have also simply been a verbal argument and the manager told them to take it outside. That incident means nothing when one biased person provides the story with nothing to actually corroborate it.
I f*ing hate how some people think ”going to church ” means something. It just means they’re prejudiced against singles who don’t go to church. It has nothing to do with morals.
@@scarletohhaha6938 exactly.. don’t understand why interviewers don’t tell them these things like bruh there’s tons of videos about shady churches and priests and also criminals who attended church.
My daughter's estranged husband is in the military, and he was so controlling, emotionally abusive etc. He even punched me in the face over and over one night when I was visiting while my daughter was pregnant. Cops showed up, and they acted like buddies. I was trying to talk to an officer, but kept being told that I didn't need to add anything. Like WTF. Soooooooo glad she left him.
I am so sorry 😔 the cycle of abuse is very cunning and can sneak up on people then you blink and it's been however long still with the abuser. Stay safe, know your rights -and exercise them. please never give up 🙏🏻
The system needs to change, with having the conflict of interest dynamic that often has men with authority…(law enforcement) who will more likely identify with the abuser (male who craves power). Way too often, women have been dismissed, invalidated, not believed, when sexual assault, violence, occurs. Who wants to depend on similar people to help you, as who hurt you? Seriously? There needs to be HUGE reform in this area. The irony is that these men, who act like they ‘already know’…arrogance…often are very ignorant to all the aspects, neuroscience, of abusers and the abused. Essentially, they will look at the variables in the equation they already agree with & throw out the rest. Which…leads to an erroneous conclusion. It should be, that there are women who respond to any domestic violence too, that they all have intensive nervous system, attachment theory, training, and learn to call out their own biases, cognitive distortions, and narratives. Having authority figures who think they have nothing to learn…are dangerous.
exactly. I was in the military 8 years and I saw tons of buddies between the men but it's all different for the women. Just because some male has a Purple Heart doesnt mean he wont abuse a woman. Military doesn't mean a good man. Sorry to hear about your experience, I relate to it totally.
These men where in their late teens when this terrible crime happened. Just because now they are married, joined the military, won medals for heroism doesn’t mean they were “good guys when in the teens. I can’t see anyone else doing something so wicked as to burn the young girl, Becky in the wheelbarrow. It’s just too personal.
Yep. Even if they are overall good guys that just did something bad in the heat of the moment, they still need to pay for their crimes. Getting married and having babies doesn't absolve you of moral wrongdoing.
@@jenna-a-gogo Yes, but I wouldn't say this crime was "heat of the moment"..... They took two firearms and accelerants with them, found a wheelbarrow, staged her body, etc. Cold blooded planning and carrying out this horrific crime.
True, many criminals use church as camouflage for the evil they do. Look at BTK- he even used his church computer to send messages to police- fortunately that led to him being caught.
My mother always said "Never swear for anyone because you don't know what they are willing to do given the circumstances." A human being can be many things, you can only talk about how they treat YOU, that's it.
Ladies.. i know she was young.. and we aren't the brightest in our teens.. BUT once you break away for one evening to hang with a girlfriend and your bf won't stop texting you the entire night and he is stalking you at your job, etc.. RUN. These insecure controlling dudes are complete poison.
😂 never let your gf go on a girls trip! We all know what happens when they do! It’s not insecurity or controlling to have boundaries in a relationship!
@@daryldixon3685boundaries in a relationship = calling someone repeatedly every couple of minutes when you know they are out with friends? In what world does that not point to someone being insecure and controlling? Get out of your incel discord server and stop any manifesto you may be writing and prioritize therapy. Therapy is what you should be doing right now.
No, this comment is necessary....DV is taking lives every day, everywhere. Women especially are prone to give people a second chance, 'think the best of everyone' and my personal favorite....'honey, let's just meet for one more time to say good-bye and sort things out" and she is murdered. That kind of thinking can cost you your life and the lives of your children.
I'd hate to say this but I saw, unknowingly, this video of an Army man with a puppy held by the scruff and that monster says, "Look a puppy!" and that vile excuse of a human threw that poor baby as hard as he could into a ravine and the way that puppy was crying just traumatized me. So yes, military men can be just as heartless.
Those two did it, cell phones pinged on a tower near the house, while they said they were playing paintball across town…..DNA on a card in the driveway…..they both turned phones off for 2.5 hours .40 cal ammo and holster/shotgun
@@Earl_WallaceBelieve it or not, there are plenty of people walking around who don’t “joke” about burning houses down. It’s not a very normal thing to do (even when nobody is watching) in most circles I’ve ever been in personally.
Someone should remind those folks that Ted Bundy also saved a little boy from drowning, But also tortured & killed nearly a hundred girls including children. Oh, and i unfortunately know people who seem to be oh-so-perfect, spiritual, love animals, helpful, polite etc etc.. while they also beat up gf for 5 hours straight. Should we continue with the examples..??
Ted Bundy also worked on suicide prevention phone lines. Talkin people out of committing suicide... So yeah showing kindness/going to church/helping people doesnt mean you cant also be an evil killer. Killers can be nice guys for 95+% of their lives.. They dont act like cold hearted ruthless murderers until it suits them.
I wish they would have found greater evidence connecting them to the crime. They say in crime shows that no crime is ever perfect, there are always clues and evidence left behind. I wish there was a better quality of investigation that presented a stronger case. They dont deserve a "but they could have been innocent " benefit of doubt.
It’s so annoying to hear families say “ I know him he would not do that ……. “ . All killers have two sides . The side they show to family and friends AND THE DARK SIDE !!!!
People who can't put themselves in the shoes of others are so annoying. We all know "someone who would not do that." Now imagine someone who never met them is confidently claiming they did do that.
So darn true look at Utah just saying I watched all cases in America as I'm from Cape Town South Africa LDS Mormons GOSH!!! They are the worse cases then they say God said so poor God it's easy to blame him lol
Just because he has a girlfriend doesn’t mean he moved on from her. An obsessive and manipulative person would not want her to be happy with someone else.
He makes her pay for his bad behavior, he’s a creep and he makes her pay. A person who’s ‘moved on’ doesn’t call the ex girlfriend 50 times in one night. Witnesses in court have to swear to tell the truth or risk perjury, but lawyers and prosecutors get to lie their as- off and twist the truth - something not right about that.
Thats how the system works... Everywhere, where they have a western based system. You'd think people would know something about it by now... but obviously few do. The moved on, was 7 years later, so not relevant to the case really.
I've always hated when people assume that just because you were in the military that you're automatically a good person. Dahmer was in the Army. Gacy was in the Army. Raider was in the Navy.
@@StofStuiver that is irrelevant. His dad was trying to say because he was in the military and was a hero he couldn't possibly have been a murderer. We are all pointing out that is false.
Christian might have saved his mate but he was killing other people at the same time. I don’t understand why people think military aren’t capable of killing others 🤔
Yep. They are literally trained killers. I'm not knocking the military, because that's their job. But to say someone couldn't be a murderer because they served is an absolutely ridiculous argument.
It's actually shocking if you watch/listen to enough true crime content, just how many murderers/serial killers have prior or current military experience. I keep wondering if anyone has compiled the data on that.
I absolutely agree! Why would he need immunity if he did nothing wrong to begin with? This is as sketchy AF. His father and his shady lawyer ensured Garcia would be immune to any and all charges - if that’s not suss, what is?
Exactly. And he thinks he owns his ex girlfriend, even if he moves on with another relationship. They view their ex, as their property. (Greetings from Greece).
When are people going to realize that sociopaths often frequent churches and places of community service... It's because they know that people will attribute "goodness" to them just because they attend those places.
I understand why they think it's the ex-boyfriend and I'm not saying it's not but what about that Javier guy? He seems suspicious. What about his father working for the police department and the ability to cover it up?. They pointed the finger right at the ex-boyfriend. There was no real evidence that the the Ex-Boyfriend and the friend went to go hiking with her
@@meldog7925 Thats what ive been saying too. There hardly is any evidence. 2 ppl testifying that they were there, but the pings from the 2 are at opposite sides of the city. And there is nothing puting them there. And a business card with dna on it. That doesnt do much here. Its something, but by far not enough. This case will be tossed at some point. Unless there is evidence that wasnt mentioned. They probably did it, but with the statute of reasonable doubt, i wouldnt be able to convict. And they sure should look at the Javier fella
Beckys family are so dignified and showed so much patience ...Her father comes across as such a solid calm decent man ...and her sisters are gorgeous - I hope they find some peace in their lives ...RIP to all those that died
@@portiawalker8334 yes that’s also sadly true I think it’s just harder to cope the younger you are But it’s not easy at any age and these ppl are vicious predators
Why would you have ammo and a holster for a particular type of gun, but not have the gun itself? Nevermind the fact that it was the type of gun used in the murders. Why would you turn off your phone at the same time as your buddy, and then turn them on together a few hours later? Nevermind the fact that they were turned off during the murders.
I was thinking this too the whole time I was hearing the families speak so highly of them. Parents have no idea what happens outside home. These 2 monsters for sure did the crime and must do the time.
My mom has always said “I only know my kids here in front of my nose” It is safe today you can know someone very well but they could always have a dark side
Not many people are truly and fully evil. Even those who commit horrible crimes will turn to God for solice and redemption when there's none left for them to find on Earth. Lay your troubles at the feet of the Almighty 🙏💯❤️
@@Michigander269 And yet, churchgoers routinely insist that “being a churchgoer” is evidence of goodness. History tells us otherwise. Evidence of goodness is-loving kindness, for example. Lots of churches spend a lot of time pointing at anyone who is “other” and inciting hate.
Agreed, new neighbor is military, their teens have been harassing the neighborhood doorbell ditching breaking property outside etc. When confronted, she said prove it. I'm like, my eyes. I saw them. I now have a ring camera. Aggressive weirdos. I was mislead thinking she was dignified dating a soldier. Nope
@@angelabacker1177 Read the room, people are wise now to the atrocities of the US military. A whole family of war glorifiers and war practitioners is offensive and disturbing.
Both their phones pinged en route to the crime & are conveniently switched off during the time of the murders. Plus the business card with his DNA on it. Yeah nah there can be only so many coincidences. They're guilty af and I'm glad the jury got it right
Anyone who says because you served in the military, you are a good person needs to consider such veterans as Jeffery Dahmer, Israel Keyes, Dennis Raider, Gary Ridgeway, Sam Berkowitz...loads of murderous people do well in the military. A few of those men did very well and were respected by the people who were serving with them at the time.
Yep I experienced that with my ex husband. He was very charming to everyone else. To me at first as well that’s how he reeled me in but that didn’t last long
From the picture of the two at 17 and 18 I'm going with roid rage. Most 17 18 yo I ever known not so stacked. Cept some the athletes who are taking supplements and roids. Most men would naturally start to fill out to that capacity in their mid to later 20s
All that guy stated was he cared about “loyalty” from his people. A big problem. Their families are enablers of narcissistic men. Jury did the right thing. 💙
Yeahhh, the mafia, cults, are about “loyalty”. Their definition often means to go along with very rigid rules, narratives, and they can’t see, understand, anything outside of that. They are easily threatened by the complexity of life…so their “anchors” are all trying to mitigate that
Exactly! It was so specific. If they didn’t set on her fire in the wheel burrow they wouldn’t have been tied to scene as much. It would have seemed more random. It was very personal for Becky! Smh
I remember watching this on crime watch daily a while back and was so upset that they were free living their best life. Happy for this update. Robert family irks my spirit.
Just because someone moved on to another relationship doesn’t mean they don’t harbor hate for the ex. A ridiculous thing to say by the attorney for Pape. Some people just can’t stand to lose and don’t even feel bad about killing someone. It’s about power and control.
Yes! Possessive ppl don’t take well to breakups. And if they issue death threats, one has to take them seriously because they usually see it through! It’s always the jilted crazy & possessive ex-partner. His message to Sarah about burning someone’s house down is also damning. Nobody makes that comment in jest! It speaks to the depth of his mind.
Just because someone served and did well in the military doesn't mean they are immune from doing wrong at home. It's pretty well known that a lot of veterans struggle with mental issues and take it out on their significant others. My brother is one of them.
I believed they/he committed the crimes before he served in the military and before the other one started to go to church. They both change their lives, but killed that girl before doing so.
@@StofStuiverher point still stands. A lot of veterans come home and wreak havoc in their communities. That’s just a fact. I know the perpetrators still hadn’t served when they murdered that family but I think her point is valid.
Being part of a church means nothing, having awards means nothing, motive means nothing. A killer is a killer and these two killed and thought were going to get away with this. End off. The father of one of the accused played up to the cameras and lied about the whereabouts of those guns, he had them, mmm I think not. However, another case of injustice for the poor family left behind watching how corrupt the system works in favor of those connected to the military and police .
Really really GOSH!!! I have one son god help me if evidence is so true I take him to police myself where's the morals and I live in South Africa Cape Town crime is rampant
PROBLEM IS, THE FAMILY FAILED TO SAFEGUARD THEIR HOME, CCTV CAMERAS/ METAL GATES, FENCING, HEAVY FIREARMS, ETC ETC, RURAL SETTING IS SAFER THAN THE CITY , FACTS
@Poppyseed0990 When you know the person, location doesn't matter at all. You already know them, it's not some stranger. This wasn't some home invasion.
This man is crazy at least his able to visit his son and his talking about his son missing the biggest life events sad that that Becky missed out on everything. Her parents visit the grave every day they will never get to meet their daughter nor grandkids 😭😭😭😭😭
It depicts under the title who uploads them. 48 hours did this one. Sometimes, ppls' names are under the titles. Nonetheless, I'm glad they are done.😊😊😊😊
I know 3 things after watching this.... 1. I don't know with 100% certainty who done it 2. Javier being offered immunity is suspicious 3. It's odd that they dropped the case just like that and freed them. Someone somewhere knows something that no one else does in order to flip a case like this. RIP to all whose lives were taken
Imagine what those two monsters did to that precious young lady before they set her on fire. We need to tell our children, our daughters, our sons to never go anywhere with someone they have broken up with or had a fight, altercation with. He was married and he went hiking with an old girlfriend? "Honourable Men" do not go and harass girlfriends in their place of work to the point that they have to be asked to leave. How men and women behave in the military is different to how they behave with their intimate partners. People have to understand that. I've seen people much loved by their community and church and beat their partners to a pulp behind closes doors. We never show our full selves to our families and many others and jealousy, envy, rage can change one's mind to do unbelievably cruel things.
@@1927su Was he a lawyer? The comment said, "When a lawyer..." But then I think a more accurate word would be stammer. Javier's lawyer definitely stammered before answering that one question. Edit: And hadn't stammered before that. So he didn't just simply have some general stutter/stammer problem
In fairness it sounded like a really messed up home life. The dad built that home from scratch. The home that her mother took from him in the divorce to live with her boyfriend. The father never seemed too sad the mother was gone. Only his daughter. The other two daughters ran to start their own lives
@@Sig_P229the girls both said their mom was a gentle ray of sunshine, as did her stepdaughter. The Dad had nothing bad to say about the Mom either, other than they all grew apart. You're reading a lot into a divorce that is the norm for 1/3 marriages, maybe blaming the victim is your style?
“My son saved lives in Afghanistan, he doesn’t take lives”… A few moments later, he shows a picture of his son shooting at Afghans, like that’s not taking lives. This father has put on a show within this show. Deserves an Oscar.
The boys' families are so convinced they could never do it but i'm sorry nobody really ever completely knows anybody. Not even your own wife, sibling, father, etc. They most likely did it.
@@jermaintambaz😂😂 Just stop it. We watched it. There was more proof of their guilt. You can't twist this with your bs under every comment. They are proven to be guilty and they will be spending the rest of their miserable life behind bars. Case closed.
@cataniamommaitalia87 I usually argue against people in the comments that blame the family (unless its blatantly clear), bc its a bit of a nono in our justice systems (and for good reason), where the actual person is the one that commited the crime and not the family. That came with our justice systems, from enlightenment. But in this case, since you are not directly hostile to the family, but build a generalised case, with good arguments, i agree. Unfortunately this has all become common in western societies, mainly because of feminism, abandoning church, and other. Its interesting how you point out you learnt your daughters to think reason and logic. Specially because i think you are a mother. Females traits are mostly in the emotional by nature and its a more male trait to be in the logical realm. That makes it all the more impressive what you say, specially in this day and age, where female emotions rule the world Thank you for that. It is a bright light in a very dark world.
"He's an army veteran that is active in the church" So was Dennis BTK Rader.🤦♂️ "Here's a picture of him saving someone's life with one hand while shooting his rifle at Afgans with the other" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ What does he think the gun was firing? Hugs and Rainbows 🤦♂️🙄
Let’s not allow people to die in vain. Let’s take proactive and preventative measures Never take a threat lightly nor dismiss any threat Never allow Person to walk home alone and if you go out as a party of three makes certain everyone gets home safe If you are watching this video, I pray you take valuable lessons so this young lady did not die in vain
I wish people would go straight to the police station and report death threats!! Take it seriously! Stop being forgiving and sweet to a potentially violent person!!
I did some rabbit hole research into this episode. I agree that it was a horrific crime. However, the list of "evidence" that the prosecutors presented was weak. There was one shoe print that matched "the KIND OF SHOE" they HEARD one of the guys owned. There was NO cell phone data that put them at the scene. A witness, said he overheard a 'suspicious' comment. Another witness, who seemed to know certain details, was not pursued further. Why? His father was an investigator for the DA's office and his mother was a former assemblywoman who once ran for the senate. Is there more? Most likely. But based on what I read, it did NOT sound like irrefutable evidence. Sorry, but I found reasonable doubt.
Hey now, enough with your logic. Don't you know the other commenters here watch a lot of true crime videos, so that means they know everything the TV told them was true???
Jeremy Witt was working with Cristin Smith in 2007 and found him in a daze. Asked if he was okay, Smith replied, "Something went wrong, and we torched the f*king place." Seems pretty strong evidence to me. Then there were the recorded jailhouse phone calls in which Pape asked his wife to conceal firearms, among which was an unregistered .40 cal. Glock 22. Looks to me like these are the guys. 😮
@@StofStuiver i _was_ lauging at people thinking religion as any excuse or explantion for anyone's behaviour, but right now im laughing at you. religion is the purest from of evil.
Typical narcissist: If I can't have her, nobody can. And oh, beware of this "we need to talk about it just one more time". And why do you need a third person to come along for that? So many red flags.
Yep. I have a good friend of mine; her boyfriend asked her to come over and talk one last time, he beat her to one inch of her life; she survived but was disfigured and unrecognizable.
@@LionofJudah222 Your poor friend, what a horrible thing to do to her. His mentality totally being no one will want you now. It’s so disgusting what these evil me do to women.
@@LovingLightx Thank you for your kind words. My friend later found a wonderful man she married him; they are both in the ministry ❤️🙏🙌 God healed her and delivered her. The man that did that to her went to prison.
@@LionofJudah222 I’m so happy to hear your friend is doing well, God is good. I love Jesus and it was Jesus who said to me to end it with a guy I was dating as I was noticing odd and inappropriate behaviour from him. Prior to that I asked Our Lord to reveal this man’s intentions towards me and boy did Jesus reveal it all. I did as instructed, ended it very early in the relationship and I’m so glad I did. If we trust in Jesus, listen and obey he literally has our back. I send you and your friend my sincerest best wishes x
"My son saves lives... he doesn't take lives." Uh, he was deployed to Afghanistan. Do you think he was a pacifist soldier? Unless he was a medic, he's signed up to take lives by the nature of the job. Not bashing military members, it's just what they are trained to do.
@@StofStuiver So how exactly does his son "save lives"? The point is that his statement alluding to his military service does not indicate a peaceful nature. Quite the opposite. If he was a doctor or a charity worker, then you could make that "he saves lives, not takes them" argument.
@@ilyearer he dragged his buddy out of combat while being hit. He earned 2 purple hearts. Objectively that is a hero that saved his friend's life. He wasn't saying wars save lives.
Any lawyer who represents him should do their job and protect him before he testifies or gives a statement to law enforcement or the court. He admitted that he was originally planning to go hiking with the group, and he was on his way up there, in close proximity near the time of the murders. So, it's only natural to make sure he's protected and, as his attorney, make sure no one tries to tie him in as a potential third accomplice. He was clearly a witness, tried to be forthright and honest at the outset, and needed to make sure he wasn't going to get tied in with the killers. Clearly, the victim changed her mind and told him not to come hiking, most likely because someone convinced her that he wasn't welcome. He was only going to foil their plans.
My final observation is that this was indeed psychopathy, not sociopathy. The planning was crucial to distinguish, Sociopaths are poor planners. She was even posed in front of the house.
Yes, these episodes only present a small subset of information and the purpose is mainly to entertain and so one should be asking these questions. What about the conflict of interests with Javier too!
Agreed. "Because I'm a good lawyer" isn't an adequate answer to that question, which makes it even weirder. Especially with Javier's ties to power in the area.
@@hiphopjewels Any lawyer would have him sit in a deposition and say on his behalf "you don't have to answer that "; real easy. So ALL of your statement is common knowledge, immaterial and inconsistent. Here: If he was " clearly a witness " then why this sentence ?????? " the victim changed her mind and told him not to come hiking, most likely because someone convinced her that he wasn't welcome. He was only going to foil their plans. " How was Javier a witness if he wasn't there ????? Do you see how INCONSISTENT your argument is ?? Terrible try; your critical thinking skills leave a lot to be desired !!!!!
Most abusers are able to hide it from family and friends. To the outside world they appear kind, considerate, and it would be unfathomable to loved ones that they are capable of such a heinous act. Once you start peeling back the layers, the cracks start to show themselves. The family needs to open their eyes and accept what their “innocent boys” truly are, they are monsters
My grandfather was very high up in a local chapel. He was no murderer, but he certainly didn't take the sanctimony of marriage seriously. My mum hated that hypocrisy. Do as you will, repent afterwards! I remember hearing a woman saying in a diner to her girlfriends 'I may not lead the perfect life, but I read my bible every day'. That says it all to me!
I'm sure this psycho was also responsible for gunning down a bunch of innocent civs out there. They're both guilty af. I'm kinda surprised their conviction took so long.
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This one was a thriller with a happy ending.
You can care about animals, be a brave soldier, a loving husband and still be a murderer.
Yes, this case proves it.
Escobar also cared for his family but.....
so very true. I've seen it.
exactly. A lot of notorious killers have been described as model citizens before doing their crimes lol.
@@Myglowtips Yup. I've seen it in person too.
I think some parents are delusional. My ex-husband fought for his country in Afghanistan and also beat me when he came home from deployment....serving in the military does not mean you are a good person. Period.
I don't believe you women anymore, I've seen too many false allegations. Period.
The same philosophy applies to everyone. How do we know you're a good person.
@@hydrostatic8048You’ll never fully know anyone other than yourself. Anybody is capable of doing terrible things, family or no.
@@hydrostatic8048well we certainly know you aren’t
A lot of army husbands and wives who serve in the army can come back and do awful things, I think it's because they need counselling but either refuse it or think they don't need it, my husband talked a lot and I think that helped a lot, I do know a lot of men especially keep things in because they believe they should otherwise they're not men.
It's really sad because there are so many who just keep quiet about abuse 😔
"My son saved lives in Afghanistan, he doesn't take lives." Does anyone want to break the news to this guy?
Seriously. That poor guy is delusional.
@@rm4519 His son has probably killed more people than he's saved.
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RIGHT!!!
Haha, I think that too. People are crazy!
Before you tell someone who says they were abused that their abuser is such a good person who would never do that, understand that abusers don't abuse everyone they meet.
And be grateful you never had to see that side of them.
After I left my abusive husband, (24 years ago), a long time friend of mine was doubtful of my experience. She said 'Well, I never saw him hit you'. Guess who is no longer a friend of mine?
EXACTLY. I think people get that confused
Agreed
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@@bonniesmith142i’m sorry this happened to you, i also was in the same position. ppl need to think before they speak.
Christian's Dad says he is heartbroken his son wasn't there for his child's birth. Becky never got the chance to have a family.
Amen there's so many entitled kids in America GOSH!! Parenting down the drain
Yes i said exactly this when he said that.
RIGHT!!!!
and how do you know that its his fault
Yeah that dad certainly had tunnel vision. His son was a hero in the military. Maybe he was trying hard to rectify or feel better about what he had done before his military career.
"He's kind" - So was Ted Bundy when he volunteered to work the phones at a crisis center. If acts of kindness eliminated someone as a suspect the prisons should be empty.
And b.t.k. Too!!!
@@SP7420-v3b BTK were also in the army.. Dennis Rader served in the United States Air Force from 1966 to 1970. Four years after he was discharged he Killed 5 people during 1974. Including a 9 year old boy. Then he continued with killing 5 more until he was caught and arrested in February 2005.
Yes that's true because there are lot's of people who attack others and people close to them dont know.
I had a friend who I truly thought loved her husband and yet she set him and the flat on fire and those small children nearly died so we don't know people as well as we think.
I think she might still be in prison I have never spoken to her since she killed him and he was a lovely guy a bit timid which made me wonder if she abused him.
He was kind, though.
And BTK used his church computer to send taunting messages to police. Pathological criminals camouflage themselves by putting on appearances of being “ good”.
"he's kind to me" doesn't mean "he's kind to everyone" . what a limited assumption
You know who I don't see defending the guy... his wife. She probably knows what was up
Also "he saves lives!" because he was in the military. Ummm there are a TON of crazy people in the military, many who have brutally murdered others. That's the stupidest thing I've heard.
That’s correct!!👍🏼👍🏼
Exactly 🙄🤦🏻♀️. Family sometimes wants to be blind to facts.
"My son is a good boy he'd NEVER do anything like this" - Every mother of a psychopath ever
im a former soldier… some of the most depraved are in the military
NO U AINT HOMIE QUIT LYING
Thank you for protecting our country. I truly mean that.
@@SteveDrenser You ever looked at just how many Americans have served?
On the other hand, overwhelming majority of Israelis and Finnish serve as they have universal conscription.
Alot of men and women who join the military only did it because they didnt have any other options. They couldnt make it in the real world.
The strange thing is, who else would randomly do this to the family? Robbers wouldn't waste their time with the wheelbarrow business.
Hormones of 17 year olds do run wild...
Exactly...
That's a good question but one we won't get an answer to because it seems everyone has hyper focused on 2 people.
They're guilty af. I'm so glad the jury got it right.
@@chrislastname1994focused on 2 that are constantly coming up within the investigation. I'm convinced they checked elsewhere as her own Father stated he was checked...fs you should be happy these 2 vile creatures are off the streets mate. rip Beautiful Angel 😢
Saying one of the suspects is an "active member of his church" certainly doesnt help his claim of innocence AT ALL!
Exactly!!!
Btk was active in his church also....so yea you're so right!
I agree
Spoken like true agents of evil..but I pray for you nonetheless. For even at our worst and lowest God never gives up on any of us. He loves us unconditionally, as should we all.🙏 ❤️
So was BTK. So was Joyce Meyer's security guard that murdered his wife and 2 children. Ted Bundy was very involved in his church, many of his friends from that church supported him at first. We could go on and on.
People need to stop saying.. he/ she could NEVER do something like this. If there is one thing you learn watching these crime shows it is that .. YES THEY CAN.
The only Unless I can think of is if you're the actual alibi. There have been so many cringe interviews both before and after trial of family and friends defending those with obvious evidence against them, Lori Vallow's mom and sister spring to mind.
everyone can.
They have to cope somehow.
Exactly. Look at all the Chris Watts of the world.
@@RM_VFX I get that. But sometimes they blame the victim and everyone else. ANYTHING to not admit that their loved one is guilty. I can see saying that right away. But when all the evidence points to guilt it’s time to stop saying that.
the family just ignoring all the damning evidence is honestly sickening and insulting to the victims.
Yes, it is very insulting. I was livid at the Sister and dad.
Big facts lol just look at the facts that's it... Sad all the way around, tho
The way the girl was attacked was way too personal. Who else would have done it?
Both their phones pinged en route to the crime & are conveniently switched off during the time of the murders. Plus the business card with his DNA on it. Yeah nah there can be only so many coincidences. They're guilty af and I'm glad the jury got it right
@INDOPRODIGY Everything you listed is either wrong or skewed.
@@chrislastname1994 Okay, then let's hear your theory on who did it...
@@Yusuave I don't have a theory because I didn't investigate it. But the things you listed don't even match what the prosecution said.
@@chrislastname1994 well you watched the damn show and you're out here defending the perps in almost every comment so I assumed you have a theory or you're related to the perps.
The fact that she was killed by the only way she was afraid of, tells me alot!
that's everything i needed to know. that#s not what happens in a botched robbery.
Yep and the 30+ stalking phone calls in one night.
Ya that’s awful. I’m afraid that may have been her cause of death too. Like they may have lit her on fire while alive. I can’t imagine. They said they couldn’t determine it correct?
Yes and his message to Sarah about helping her to burn someone else’s house down.
Yes! It tells EVERYTHING. Now, THAT'S absolutely SICKENING. I do NOT believe in coincidences. ONLY someone with specific knowledge and extreme, personal rage towards that person would do something that twisted. And that is 💯 premeditated.
It’s sad how much the murderer’s families are in denial. Sad. The father said he deserved better than this. Well, Becky, her Mom & her Mom’s boyfriend didn’t deserve this.
Makes me mad!
@@Ms_Ry You & me Both!!!!!!!
Of course , but do you know he was guilty for sure? It’s kinda fishy
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I think its kind of nice that they got to get married and one had kids and they were surrounded by all this family and all that just abruptly ended for them. Its so much better when people like this have even more to lose.
How can he hold his daughter, proudly, KNOWING what he did to someone else’s daughter?!! SICK.
I was thinking the same thing.
Maybe he didn't do it. I'm amazed by the comment section completely disregarding the obvious suspect of Javier Garcia Jr. A father in the DA's office? If he's the guilty party then there is nothing about this case that couldn't be tainted. That alone would give me reasonable doubt when the rest of the evidence is so flimsy.
Compartmentalization. He's compartmentalized the different parts of himself to keep up the facade. I hope his wife and daughter figure out enough to stay away before he can't keep it all together anymore.
Some of the most violent seriel killers were model citizens and family men.
Yup.
Green River killer and btk
Chris Watts too...
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Exactly
They were 17/18 years old. When I turned 25, I was a completely different person. It's called you grow up. Doesn't change the fact I was "young and stupid."
Preach!
Exactly!! 7 years is a long time to realize your mistakes and learn from them. I feel like they are leading the lives they are because they regret that stupid decision when they were teens.
The brain isn’t even fully developed until 26 years of age. The frontal lobes needed for decision making specifically r not fully developed until 26.
But what is your point? They still need to be held responsible. And also, 99.999999% of 17/18 year olds aren’t setting people on fire and killing families so I tend to think it’s more than just being “young and stupid.” Maybe “young and psycho,” but psychopathy doesn’t go away with age.
Young and stupid is one thing, but cruel and murderous is another.
If Robert was so gentle and sweet then why did they have to remove him from the Denny's for harassing his ex-girlfriend?
There's no evidence that even happened. I'm not saying they didn't do it.
No - the defense attorney said they "didn't find a corroborating witness". It was a few years after the event and I'm sure most people who work at Denny's see things like that all the time, so no one working then would have a distinct memory of it. Nothing says it never happened.
(Edited for a missing quotation mark.)
Excellent point...
It could have also simply been a verbal argument and the manager told them to take it outside. That incident means nothing when one biased person provides the story with nothing to actually corroborate it.
Boy, some people clearly lack the ability to listen and comprehend.😱
This is one of the most horrific crimes imaginable. My heart breaks for the families of the victims.
“Your son killed someone”
Parents: *Insert your typical “he could never”, “he was going to church” bullsht*
I f*ing hate how some people think ”going to church ” means something. It just means they’re prejudiced against singles who don’t go to church. It has nothing to do with morals.
@@Babesinthewood97 Exactly..
Always love the "but he's an upstanding respected member of his church!" defense.
My response? 'Sure peaches, but so was BTK!' lol
@@scarletohhaha6938 exactly.. don’t understand why interviewers don’t tell them these things like bruh there’s tons of videos about shady churches and priests and also criminals who attended church.
I thought I heard that...on the way to church! Sure
My daughter's estranged husband is in the military, and he was so controlling, emotionally abusive etc. He even punched me in the face over and over one night when I was visiting while my daughter was pregnant. Cops showed up, and they acted like buddies. I was trying to talk to an officer, but kept being told that I didn't need to add anything. Like WTF.
Soooooooo glad she left him.
I am so sorry 😔 the cycle of abuse is very cunning and can sneak up on people then you blink and it's been however long still with the abuser. Stay safe, know your rights -and exercise them. please never give up 🙏🏻
It’s not surprising the army would drive anyone crazy.
@@sakunaru0The murders took place prior to his military service
The system needs to change, with having the conflict of interest dynamic that often has men with authority…(law enforcement) who will more likely identify with the abuser (male who craves power).
Way too often, women have been dismissed, invalidated, not believed, when sexual assault, violence, occurs.
Who wants to depend on similar people to help you, as who hurt you? Seriously?
There needs to be HUGE reform in this area. The irony is that these men, who act like they ‘already know’…arrogance…often are very ignorant to all the aspects, neuroscience, of abusers and the abused. Essentially, they will look at the variables in the equation they already agree with & throw out the rest. Which…leads to an erroneous conclusion.
It should be, that there are women who respond to any domestic violence too, that they all have intensive nervous system, attachment theory, training, and learn to call out their own biases, cognitive distortions, and narratives.
Having authority figures who think they have nothing to learn…are dangerous.
exactly. I was in the military 8 years and I saw tons of buddies between the men but it's all different for the women. Just because some male has a Purple Heart doesnt mean he wont abuse a woman. Military doesn't mean a good man. Sorry to hear about your experience, I relate to it totally.
These men where in their late teens when this terrible crime happened. Just because now they are married, joined the military, won medals for heroism doesn’t mean they were “good guys when in the teens. I can’t see anyone else doing something so wicked as to burn the young girl, Becky in the wheelbarrow. It’s just too personal.
Yep. Even if they are overall good guys that just did something bad in the heat of the moment, they still need to pay for their crimes. Getting married and having babies doesn't absolve you of moral wrongdoing.
EXACTLY.
I think it was Javier Garcia
@@jenna-a-gogo Yes, but I wouldn't say this crime was "heat of the moment"..... They took two firearms and accelerants with them, found a wheelbarrow, staged her body, etc. Cold blooded planning and carrying out this horrific crime.
@@furball192 and Col Mustard in the library with a 40 cal?
‘He’s an active member of his church’
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
True, many criminals use church as camouflage for the evil they do. Look at BTK- he even used his church computer to send messages to police- fortunately that led to him being caught.
Absolutely 0. Lol I hate that "excuse"
Yeah , in fact when I hear about someone’s religious dedication, it usually turns out that the person is morally corrupt 🤷
Those religious types are so often the ones most filled with hate and deluded self righteousness.
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My mother always said "Never swear for anyone because you don't know what they are willing to do given the circumstances." A human being can be many things, you can only talk about how they treat YOU, that's it.
Not to mention how “unheard” is that unstable ppl w criminal tendencies follow certain paths or jobs
Exactly 💯
Words of wisdom.
@@eraldadevole *paths
EXACTLY 💯
Ladies.. i know she was young.. and we aren't the brightest in our teens.. BUT once you break away for one evening to hang with a girlfriend and your bf won't stop texting you the entire night and he is stalking you at your job, etc.. RUN. These insecure controlling dudes are complete poison.
This comment is unnecessary
😂 never let your gf go on a girls trip! We all know what happens when they do! It’s not insecurity or controlling to have boundaries in a relationship!
@@daryldixon3685 why, what happens?
@@daryldixon3685boundaries in a relationship = calling someone repeatedly every couple of minutes when you know they are out with friends? In what world does that not point to someone being insecure and controlling? Get out of your incel discord server and stop any manifesto you may be writing and prioritize therapy. Therapy is what you should be doing right now.
No, this comment is necessary....DV is taking lives every day, everywhere. Women especially are prone to give people a second chance, 'think the best of everyone' and my personal favorite....'honey, let's just meet for one more time to say good-bye and sort things out" and she is murdered. That kind of thinking can cost you your life and the lives of your children.
I love how some people act like folks in the military don’t do bad things. They are extremely mistaken.
Look at Jan 6 2021. Many were X Military. Stuart Rhodes of the militant group "The Oath Keepers".
Can you direct me to that evidence as I'd like to see it. @@nancychandler3673
I'd hate to say this but I saw, unknowingly, this video of an Army man with a puppy held by the scruff and that monster says, "Look a puppy!" and that vile excuse of a human threw that poor baby as hard as he could into a ravine and the way that puppy was crying just traumatized me. So yes, military men can be just as heartless.
They never said that Karen.
Both cops and ex military men are 4 times as likely of physical abuse in the home.
Those two did it, cell phones pinged on a tower near the house, while they said they were playing paintball across town…..DNA on a card in the driveway…..they both turned phones off for 2.5 hours
.40 cal ammo and holster/shotgun
Do u know how many times I've joked about burning a house down. Never
Lmao good point
Lmao
Even if you havent heard (i have), how is that proof to anything?
Youd have to at least see the context before you can judge it.
@@Earl_WallaceBelieve it or not, there are plenty of people walking around who don’t “joke” about burning houses down. It’s not a very normal thing to do (even when nobody is watching) in most circles I’ve ever been in personally.
Where's your sense of humor?
Someone should remind those folks that Ted Bundy also saved a little boy from drowning, But also tortured & killed nearly a hundred girls including children.
Oh, and i unfortunately know people who seem to be oh-so-perfect, spiritual, love animals, helpful, polite etc etc.. while they also beat up gf for 5 hours straight.
Should we continue with the examples..??
100% 🎯😖
Don’t forget Bundy, Gacy, the BTK, and so forth!! People are evil only God can save our souls when we surrender to him!
Ted Bundy also worked on suicide prevention phone lines. Talkin people out of committing suicide... So yeah showing kindness/going to church/helping people doesnt mean you cant also be an evil killer.
Killers can be nice guys for 95+% of their lives.. They dont act like cold hearted ruthless murderers until it suits them.
...you need to report it to the police - and move away from monsters like that.
Yep. I stated that earlier too. And Ted was a good looking guy. ANYONE can snap.
I was on the edge of my seat this whole video wondering whether or not justice would be served, and I'm so glad it was
same
My blood pressure is high waiting
I cheat and read the comments
I wish they would have found greater evidence connecting them to the crime. They say in crime shows that no crime is ever perfect, there are always clues and evidence left behind. I wish there was a better quality of investigation that presented a stronger case. They dont deserve a "but they could have been innocent " benefit of doubt.
Life without parole is crazy.
I'm glad that justice has been served after a decade.
It’s so annoying to hear families say “ I know him he would not do that ……. “ . All killers have two sides . The side they show to family and friends AND THE DARK SIDE !!!!
I completely agree, it IS annoying!! You are spot-on with the 2 sides, this statement and it describes my ex-husband perfectly.
People who can't put themselves in the shoes of others are so annoying. We all know "someone who would not do that." Now imagine someone who never met them is confidently claiming they did do that.
Saying he was an active member in his church....is suppose to mean what? BTK was also an active member in his church.
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Add Timothy Jones Jr to the list.
So darn true look at Utah just saying I watched all cases in America as I'm from Cape Town South Africa LDS Mormons GOSH!!! They are the worse cases then they say God said so poor God it's easy to blame him lol
Our recently (in) famous Chad Daybell
The wheat and tares sit in the church together. He is definitely a tare.
@@earthrooster1969 exactly!!
Just because he has a girlfriend doesn’t mean he moved on from her. An obsessive and manipulative person would not want her to be happy with someone else.
Thank you 48hours for putting this full episode on
He makes her pay for his bad behavior, he’s a creep and he makes her pay. A person who’s ‘moved on’ doesn’t call the ex girlfriend 50 times in one night. Witnesses in court have to swear to tell the truth or risk perjury, but lawyers and prosecutors get to lie their as- off and twist the truth - something not right about that.
Exactly 🤷♀️🙏🏻🕊
So do the cops during an interrogation, you perjure yourself and it will be used against you in a court of law.
Thats how the system works...
Everywhere, where they have a western based system. You'd think people would know something about it by now... but obviously few do.
The moved on, was 7 years later, so not relevant to the case really.
Like the way OJ moved on after his divorce from Nicole Brown Simpson? He was dating other women too.
Who else WAS SO GLAD for that epilogue?
I was, definitely. Just wish they had given more detail about the incriminating evidence.
Yes! For a second there I was heartbroken!
My thought when they dropped the charges was yep they got away with it then the rest came and I was glad.
Oh man, It was so good to hear that!!😁
prosecution won this case on very limited evidence. On a card and pinging the a phone in the desert.
I remember this story. They thought they were home free after being released, and got thrown right back in jail where they belong.
They looked guilty when they walked out of prison the first time
@@moppy6Yup, especially the Cristin Smith guy holding the baby with his pathetic fake sobs
@@o̸ණExactly... Poor actor with loud sobing. He told about his military brother... Yeh, the reason why the mur. derer should be released. 🤦🏻♀️🤯
@@o̸ණ and inability to look up into the cam.
They'll be freed with the Innocence Project
I've always hated when people assume that just because you were in the military that you're automatically a good person. Dahmer was in the Army. Gacy was in the Army. Raider was in the Navy.
Who cares if he was in the military, that means nothing when his threats of death came true
Exactly.
You are so right. Many join the military to try and escape charges.
He was in the military AFTER this event.
They were both 18. Hadnt been in the military yet.
Oh yes it means something, or what do you think military stands for? Since when is the US Army a defense force?
@@StofStuiver that is irrelevant. His dad was trying to say because he was in the military and was a hero he couldn't possibly have been a murderer. We are all pointing out that is false.
That poster of Becky before and after (on fire in the wheel barrow) is so powerful.
Christian might have saved his mate but he was killing other people at the same time. I don’t understand why people think military aren’t capable of killing others 🤔
Yep. They are literally trained killers. I'm not knocking the military, because that's their job. But to say someone couldn't be a murderer because they served is an absolutely ridiculous argument.
It's actually shocking if you watch/listen to enough true crime content, just how many murderers/serial killers have prior or current military experience. I keep wondering if anyone has compiled the data on that.
@angel2000317 They have. We're just not going to shown the statistics/data on it
@@456dawnie Do you mean there are records that are kept from the general public?
Asking for Javier to have immunity is SUSPECT AF!!!!
I thought the same thing.
Agree
Those little brats were looking for any way to create reasonable doubt. I don't blame Javier
I absolutely agree! Why would he need immunity if he did nothing wrong to begin with? This is as sketchy AF. His father and his shady lawyer ensured Garcia would be immune to any and all charges - if that’s not suss, what is?
Narcissistic personality disorder is revenge oriented because a narc cannot take rejection & always needs to control his toys
Exactly. And he thinks he owns his ex girlfriend, even if he moves on with another relationship. They view their ex, as their property. (Greetings from Greece).
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Coercive control and stalking. Controllers cannot let the controlled person move on without them.
Amen!!
MISMO!
When are people going to realize that sociopaths often frequent churches and places of community service... It's because they know that people will attribute "goodness" to them just because they attend those places.
Mostly they go to those places in search of their victims.
@@MaxPride10 💯💯💯
Yes it is the “Ted Bundy worked at a suicide hotline” persona! Communal narcissism at its best!
Exactly!
@@AshaGlennand how would you know? Do you attend church? Were you in the military?
This happened in my town.
Everyone here still believes it was the boyfriend. They had a really unhealthy and obsessive relationship.
The one who was found guilty or her boyfriend at the time?
@@jmac430"the boyfriend" meaning the ex who is now in prison for life
people in love are always obsessed.
I understand why they think it's the ex-boyfriend and I'm not saying it's not but what about that Javier guy? He seems suspicious. What about his father working for the police department and the ability to cover it up?. They pointed the finger right at the ex-boyfriend. There was no real evidence that the the Ex-Boyfriend and the friend went to go hiking with her
@@meldog7925 Thats what ive been saying too. There hardly is any evidence.
2 ppl testifying that they were there, but the pings from the 2 are at opposite sides of the city. And there is nothing puting them there.
And a business card with dna on it. That doesnt do much here. Its something, but by far not enough.
This case will be tossed at some point. Unless there is evidence that wasnt mentioned.
They probably did it, but with the statute of reasonable doubt, i wouldnt be able to convict.
And they sure should look at the Javier fella
Both the boys switching off their phones for 2-1/2 hours for no reason was the smoking gun.
Absofuckenlutly
His defense attorney trying to say that's not unusual. For 18yo kids it is,that generation even take their phones into the bathroom. It's constant
Beckys family are so dignified and showed so much patience ...Her father comes across as such a solid calm decent man ...and her sisters are gorgeous - I hope they find some peace in their lives ...RIP to all those that died
Beautiful family inside and out.
The fact that they both had the opportunity to move on with their lives and even get married is so sad
Poor thing
Just 18, she wouldn’t have any idea how to deal with an abusive boyfriend
Unfortunately, there's very limited defence against 'crazy' 😢
No one does….at any age.
Women who have left, stayed away, told family and friends…AND kept a paper trail with police.
Still killed.
What do you mean, abusive???? Who said anything about abuse in the video?
@@portiawalker8334 Women?
Men are more often abused than women...
And where is the abuse in this video? It wasnt even mentioned.
@@portiawalker8334 yes that’s also sadly true
I think it’s just harder to cope the younger you are
But it’s not easy at any age and these ppl are vicious predators
Those families enabled their son’s behaviors and continue to make excuses. Shame on them.
He IS a jealous monster. To even threaten someone with death and possessive behavior, shows where one's heart is!
Why would you have ammo and a holster for a particular type of gun, but not have the gun itself? Nevermind the fact that it was the type of gun used in the murders.
Why would you turn off your phone at the same time as your buddy, and then turn them on together a few hours later? Nevermind the fact that they were turned off during the murders.
It's always crazy how delusional families can be when it comes to their loved ones. No matter what the evidence, they refuse to believe it.
I was thinking this too the whole time I was hearing the families speak so highly of them. Parents have no idea what happens outside home. These 2 monsters for sure did the crime and must do the time.
Baffles me too, especially parents. Maybe they think that it makes them look as horrible people to have "raised" such a monster.
Parents should always say what are my kids doing instead of my kid wouldn't do that
I agree, there is no evidence against those 2 guys.That family is delusional
Rest in peace to the victims. Very sad case.
My mom has always said “I only know my kids here in front of my nose”
It is safe today you can know someone very well but they could always have a dark side
Serving for the military doesn’t excuse him for what he did. Absolutely despicable!
In fact it's just the other way around
He Brought tremendous amount of embarrassment to the military.
I agree. Neither does it make you heroic. Media pushes war.
“Active member of his church…” -every true crime show.
Not many people are truly and fully evil. Even those who commit horrible crimes will turn to God for solice and redemption when there's none left for them to find on Earth. Lay your troubles at the feet of the Almighty 🙏💯❤️
This is part of the reason I never wanted a man who was very active in the church. These shows confirm that this is not just the scummy men I know
@@Michigander269
And yet, churchgoers routinely insist that “being a churchgoer” is evidence of goodness. History tells us otherwise. Evidence of goodness is-loving kindness, for example. Lots of churches spend a lot of time pointing at anyone who is “other” and inciting hate.
Bwahahaha, YEP!...
True! Religious people are often the worst.
What a coincidence the ex joked about burning down someone’s house . Defense attorneys are idiots .
DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE THEIR JOBS, DEFEND THEIR CLIENTS, THEY GET PAID WELL FOR IT
and the specificity of the statement. not we'll get em or they'll get theirs, no burn down house. c'mon.
They do what they are paid to do.
In every 48 hr episode these cruel criminals always say or do something that makes the prosecutors chuckle.
and you are the smart one??????????????????????????
"Because..I'm a very good lawyer, that's why."
😂
"My son, who is a soldier, doesn't take lives." 😬
The DELUSION! 😂
They plant flowers...
The irony is staring him in the face.
It's so annoying how 'being in the military' is seen as some kind of mark of a good person. That's not what comes to mind at all.
Agreed, new neighbor is military, their teens have been harassing the neighborhood doorbell ditching breaking property outside etc. When confronted, she said prove it. I'm like, my eyes. I saw them. I now have a ring camera. Aggressive weirdos. I was mislead thinking she was dignified dating a soldier. Nope
Yeah, some are forced into the military via the courts.
Coming from a military family, your statement is offensive and disturbing.
@@angelabacker1177 Read the room, people are wise now to the atrocities of the US military. A whole family of war glorifiers and war practitioners is offensive and disturbing.
@angelabacker1177 I will agree that every person military I've ever met has been an upstanding citizen.
Both their phones pinged en route to the crime & are conveniently switched off during the time of the murders. Plus the business card with his DNA on it. Yeah nah there can be only so many coincidences. They're guilty af and I'm glad the jury got it right
Anyone who says because you served in the military, you are a good person needs to consider such veterans as Jeffery Dahmer, Israel Keyes, Dennis Raider, Gary Ridgeway, Sam Berkowitz...loads of murderous people do well in the military. A few of those men did very well and were respected by the people who were serving with them at the time.
I think you mean David Berkowitz, also known as the Son of Sam.
@@Concatenate correct, had a slip there :)
Men can be good to everyone else expect their significant other at the time.
Women as well
Exactly!
This!!!
Too true.
Yep I experienced that with my ex husband. He was very charming to everyone else. To me at first as well that’s how he reeled me in but that didn’t last long
I stand by soldiers however Your son took lives in Afghanistan, don't get it twisted.
Yeah, the cognitive dissonance in stating that he's saving one person while he's actively shooting at others, is a bit absurd
When they say war hero, that actually means he killed before
1000% taking lives is simply that taking lives, does not matter what soil you are on when doing such is never justified
EXACTLY! I'm like.. sir.. he was in Afghanistan so he doesn't take lives? killing people it's one of the reasons he was there to beginning whit
From the picture of the two at 17 and 18 I'm going with roid rage. Most 17 18 yo I ever known not so stacked. Cept some the athletes who are taking supplements and roids. Most men would naturally start to fill out to that capacity in their mid to later 20s
All that guy stated was he cared about “loyalty” from his people. A big problem. Their families are enablers of narcissistic men. Jury did the right thing. 💙
Prosecutor got pressured, huh... Folks in high places. "I'm a good lawyer" 🤢🤮
Such a scary thing that so many families do!
Yeahhh, the mafia, cults, are about “loyalty”. Their definition often means to go along with very rigid rules, narratives, and they can’t see, understand, anything outside of that. They are easily threatened by the complexity of life…so their “anchors” are all trying to mitigate that
Case was paper thin
It’s the lifelong Enabling of bad behavior that makes Killers think they’re not going to be accused or convicted. That’s not working well these days.
Umm.. does someone want to break the news to the dad what soldiers do in Afghanistan…? “He doesn’t take lives” lolol
Setting that poor girl on fire separately after killing her was personal. Definitely guilty
Exactly! It was so specific. If they didn’t set on her fire in the wheel burrow they wouldn’t have been tied to scene as much. It would have seemed more random. It was very personal for Becky! Smh
That fire, tho. That. Is some serious cruelty and anger.
I remember watching this on crime watch daily a while back and was so upset that they were free living their best life. Happy for this update. Robert family irks my spirit.
Just because someone moved on to another relationship doesn’t mean they don’t harbor hate for the ex. A ridiculous thing to say by the attorney for Pape. Some people just can’t stand to lose and don’t even feel bad about killing someone. It’s about power and control.
Exactly. O.J.
He didnt.
It happened when they were 18. They were not married, not in military and not valued members of the church.
Exactly just watched a case where the ex wife and her new boyfriend killed the ex husband and the new wife… so yea that comment was ridiculous
Yes! Possessive ppl don’t take well to breakups. And if they issue death threats, one has to take them seriously because they usually see it through! It’s always the jilted crazy & possessive ex-partner. His message to Sarah about burning someone’s house down is also damning. Nobody makes that comment in jest! It speaks to the depth of his mind.
@@ABC-ed8cg What a load of nonsense
Parents and family that defend a child who does terrible things might explain why the child does terrible things and are able to deny it.
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Just because someone served and did well in the military doesn't mean they are immune from doing wrong at home. It's pretty well known that a lot of veterans struggle with mental issues and take it out on their significant others. My brother is one of them.
Many bad guys was military.
Almost 70% of the killers in these true crime stories served in the military.
I believed they/he committed the crimes before he served in the military and before the other one started to go to church. They both change their lives, but killed that girl before doing so.
Not relevant
Happened when they were 18
Long before they go in the military, got married, etc.
@@StofStuiverher point still stands. A lot of veterans come home and wreak havoc in their communities. That’s just a fact. I know the perpetrators still hadn’t served when they murdered that family but I think her point is valid.
Being part of a church means nothing, having awards means nothing, motive means nothing. A killer is a killer and these two killed and thought were going to get away with this. End off. The father of one of the accused played up to the cameras and lied about the whereabouts of those guns, he had them, mmm I think not. However, another case of injustice for the poor family left behind watching how corrupt the system works in favor of those connected to the military and police .
Really really GOSH!!! I have one son god help me if evidence is so true I take him to police myself where's the morals and I live in South Africa Cape Town crime is rampant
Did you watch the end of the video? The 2 were re-trialed and got life no possible parole
true, being part of the church is counterproductive in live as a whole I am afraid.....
“Felt safe in the rural setting… “-90% of true crime stories.
I know, right...smh Nowhere is safe, in my opinion. Crime can happen anywhere, unfortunately
All it takes for a crime to occur, is the present of 2 or more people. Example the story of Cain and Abel.
PROBLEM IS, THE FAMILY FAILED TO SAFEGUARD THEIR HOME, CCTV CAMERAS/ METAL GATES, FENCING, HEAVY FIREARMS, ETC ETC, RURAL SETTING IS SAFER THAN THE CITY , FACTS
@Poppyseed0990 When you know the person, location doesn't matter at all. You already know them, it's not some stranger. This wasn't some home invasion.
@Poppyseed0990 And "We never lock our doors."
This man is crazy at least his able to visit his son and his talking about his son missing the biggest life events sad that that Becky missed out on everything. Her parents visit the grave every day they will never get to meet their daughter nor grandkids 😭😭😭😭😭
My Mom used to say about such people. “street angels and house devils”. Never know what goes on behind family doors.
WHOEVER OR WHAT EVER ARE UPLOADING THESE 48HOURS VIDEOS KEEP UPLOADING PLEASE. DON'T STOP AND THANK YOU.
I think they are 'reuploading' with updates
I m not american that's y i m not that clued in
It depicts under the title who uploads them. 48 hours did this one. Sometimes, ppls' names are under the titles. Nonetheless, I'm glad they are done.😊😊😊😊
Guilty as hell.
what proof ?
@@thegoatudontknow PLENTY OF PROOF, GLAD YOU HAVE A DESK JOB AT A MENTAL INSTITUTE
@@thegoatudontknowwatch the program.
There was plenty.
@@thegoatudontknow Intelligence and logic...to name just a small amount.
@@thegoatudontknow are you the killer's wife?????
I know 3 things after watching this....
1. I don't know with 100% certainty who done it
2. Javier being offered immunity is suspicious
3. It's odd that they dropped the case just like that and freed them. Someone somewhere knows something that no one else does in order to flip a case like this.
RIP to all whose lives were taken
Imagine what those two monsters did to that precious young lady before they set her on fire. We need to tell our children, our daughters, our sons to never go anywhere with someone they have broken up with or had a fight, altercation with. He was married and he went hiking with an old girlfriend? "Honourable Men" do not go and harass girlfriends in their place of work to the point that they have to be asked to leave. How men and women behave in the military is different to how they behave with their intimate partners. People have to understand that. I've seen people much loved by their community and church and beat their partners to a pulp behind closes doors. We never show our full selves to our families and many others and jealousy, envy, rage can change one's mind to do unbelievably cruel things.
When the lawyer starts stuttering, you know he's about to spew some nonsense.
That’s not always true, I took care of a older gent that had a stutter ; it was hard for him to try to overcome, he never did completely
Yeah, anyway, a good lawyer spews nonsense WITHOUT stuttering!@@1927su
@@1927su Was he a lawyer? The comment said, "When a lawyer..." But then I think a more accurate word would be stammer. Javier's lawyer definitely stammered before answering that one question. Edit: And hadn't stammered before that. So he didn't just simply have some general stutter/stammer problem
that poor girl lost whole family :( cannot imagine...
Those 2 sisters.
They still have their father! ❤
In fairness it sounded like a really messed up home life. The dad built that home from scratch. The home that her mother took from him in the divorce to live with her boyfriend. The father never seemed too sad the mother was gone. Only his daughter. The other two daughters ran to start their own lives
@@Sig_P229hmm…I see the direction where you are going…. Could be possible what you are thinking
@@Sig_P229the girls both said their mom was a gentle ray of sunshine, as did her stepdaughter. The Dad had nothing bad to say about the Mom either, other than they all grew apart. You're reading a lot into a divorce that is the norm for 1/3 marriages, maybe blaming the victim is your style?
“My son saved lives in Afghanistan, he doesn’t take lives”… A few moments later, he shows a picture of his son shooting at Afghans, like that’s not taking lives. This father has put on a show within this show. Deserves an Oscar.
The boys' families are so convinced they could never do it but i'm sorry nobody really ever completely knows anybody. Not even your own wife, sibling, father, etc. They most likely did it.
You ain't lying! 💯💯💯
were you there when they were doing it????? Sorry, but I am not convinced. Prosecution and jurors convicted them on a card, and hearsay.
@@jermaintambaz😂😂
Just stop it.
We watched it. There was more proof of their guilt.
You can't twist this with your bs under every comment.
They are proven to be guilty and they will be spending the rest of their miserable life behind bars. Case closed.
@@principecaprincipeca2243 Which proof?
I hardly saw anything.
I think they did it, but you do need proof in a court.
@cataniamommaitalia87 I usually argue against people in the comments that blame the family (unless its blatantly clear), bc its a bit of a nono in our justice systems (and for good reason), where the actual person is the one that commited the crime and not the family. That came with our justice systems, from enlightenment.
But in this case, since you are not directly hostile to the family, but build a generalised case, with good arguments, i agree.
Unfortunately this has all become common in western societies, mainly because of feminism, abandoning church, and other.
Its interesting how you point out you learnt your daughters to think reason and logic. Specially because i think you are a mother. Females traits are mostly in the emotional by nature and its a more male trait to be in the logical realm. That makes it all the more impressive what you say, specially in this day and age, where female emotions rule the world
Thank you for that. It is a bright light in a very dark world.
"He's an army veteran that is active in the church"
So was Dennis BTK Rader.🤦♂️
"Here's a picture of him saving someone's life with one hand while shooting his rifle at Afgans with the other" 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
What does he think the gun was firing? Hugs and Rainbows 🤦♂️🙄
Literally that comment made my jaw drop like so he was shooting at and killing other human beings huh??? Just not Americans.
Let’s not allow people to die in vain. Let’s take proactive and preventative measures
Never take a threat lightly nor dismiss any threat
Never allow Person to walk home alone and if you go out as a party of three makes certain everyone gets home safe
If you are watching this video, I pray you take valuable lessons so this young lady did not die in vain
I wish people would go straight to the police station and report death threats!! Take it seriously! Stop being forgiving and sweet to a potentially violent person!!
Becky’s parents were witnesses of them taking Becky on a “hike” so they were silenced..
I did some rabbit hole research into this episode. I agree that it was a horrific crime. However, the list of "evidence" that the prosecutors presented was weak. There was one shoe print that matched "the KIND OF SHOE" they HEARD one of the guys owned. There was NO cell phone data that put them at the scene. A witness, said he overheard a 'suspicious' comment. Another witness, who seemed to know certain details, was not pursued further. Why? His father was an investigator for the DA's office and his mother was a former assemblywoman who once ran for the senate. Is there more? Most likely. But based on what I read, it did NOT sound like irrefutable evidence. Sorry, but I found reasonable doubt.
Hey now, enough with your logic. Don't you know the other commenters here watch a lot of true crime videos, so that means they know everything the TV told them was true???
@@Robert-lc6dv What was I thinking??? Thanks for straightening me out.
Jeremy Witt was working with Cristin Smith in 2007 and found him in a daze. Asked if he was okay, Smith replied, "Something went wrong, and we torched the f*king place." Seems pretty strong evidence to me.
Then there were the recorded jailhouse phone calls in which Pape asked his wife to conceal firearms, among which was an unregistered .40 cal. Glock 22.
Looks to me like these are the guys. 😮
Jury took 10 days to decide this case so seems like they weren’t immediately convinced either.
Do you know what happened in court? Where you there or a Juror? Or are you basing your assumptions from the TV show?
"active member of his church" that one had me lauging out loud.
IKR… means nothing.
Im pretty sure the relative number of murders has gone up since many abandoned church.
So what are you laughing about?
@@StofStuiver i _was_ lauging at people thinking religion as any excuse or explantion for anyone's behaviour, but right now im laughing at you. religion is the purest from of evil.
@@MegaMoto85 No you are not. ;]
The defense attorneys always sound like liars.
that's because they are.
😂. Did you watch the Jim Carey movie Liar Liar? The lawyer lies and so does the client
They know it comes with their chosen territory unfortunately...
Because they are snakes
But all lawyers lie, even prosecuters
" a great and honorable man" could still have been a killer 8 years prior in high school.
How can you set people on fire? That's horrific!
Typical narcissist: If I can't have her, nobody can. And oh, beware of this "we need to talk about it just one more time". And why do you need a third person to come along for that? So many red flags.
And hehad already moved on according to his family. So why was he even still after her? Very concerning.
Yep. I have a good friend of mine; her boyfriend asked her to come over and talk one last time, he beat her to one inch of her life; she survived but was disfigured and unrecognizable.
@@LionofJudah222 Your poor friend, what a horrible thing to do to her. His mentality totally being no one will want you now. It’s so disgusting what these evil me do to women.
@@LovingLightx Thank you for your kind words. My friend later found a wonderful man she married him; they are both in the ministry ❤️🙏🙌 God healed her and delivered her. The man that did that to her went to prison.
@@LionofJudah222 I’m so happy to hear your friend is doing well, God is good. I love Jesus and it was Jesus who said to me to end it with a guy I was dating as I was noticing odd and inappropriate behaviour from him. Prior to that I asked Our Lord to reveal this man’s intentions towards me and boy did Jesus reveal it all. I did as instructed, ended it very early in the relationship and I’m so glad I did. If we trust in Jesus, listen and obey he literally has our back. I send you and your friend my sincerest best wishes x
"My son saves lives... he doesn't take lives."
Uh, he was deployed to Afghanistan. Do you think he was a pacifist soldier? Unless he was a medic, he's signed up to take lives by the nature of the job. Not bashing military members, it's just what they are trained to do.
Irrelevant. It happened b4 he ever joined the army. Or the other one; church.
@@StofStuiver So how exactly does his son "save lives"?
The point is that his statement alluding to his military service does not indicate a peaceful nature. Quite the opposite.
If he was a doctor or a charity worker, then you could make that "he saves lives, not takes them" argument.
@@ilyearer he dragged his buddy out of combat while being hit. He earned 2 purple hearts. Objectively that is a hero that saved his friend's life. He wasn't saying wars save lives.
The family of these murderers are in total denial! RIP to the victims.
Why would Javier ask for IMMUNITY ??????????? This is a question that MUST be answered.
Any lawyer who represents him should do their job and protect him before he testifies or gives a statement to law enforcement or the court. He admitted that he was originally planning to go hiking with the group, and he was on his way up there, in close proximity near the time of the murders. So, it's only natural to make sure he's protected and, as his attorney, make sure no one tries to tie him in as a potential third accomplice. He was clearly a witness, tried to be forthright and honest at the outset, and needed to make sure he wasn't going to get tied in with the killers. Clearly, the victim changed her mind and told him not to come hiking, most likely because someone convinced her that he wasn't welcome. He was only going to foil their plans.
My final observation is that this was indeed psychopathy, not sociopathy. The planning was crucial to distinguish, Sociopaths are poor planners. She was even posed in front of the house.
Yes, these episodes only present a small subset of information and the purpose is mainly to entertain and so one should be asking these questions. What about the conflict of interests with Javier too!
Agreed. "Because I'm a good lawyer" isn't an adequate answer to that question, which makes it even weirder.
Especially with Javier's ties to power in the area.
@@hiphopjewels Any lawyer would have him sit in a deposition and say on his behalf "you don't have to answer that "; real easy.
So ALL of your statement is common knowledge, immaterial and inconsistent.
Here: If he was " clearly a witness " then why this sentence ?????? " the victim changed her mind and told him not to come hiking, most likely because someone convinced her that he wasn't welcome. He was only going to foil their plans. "
How was Javier a witness if he wasn't there ????? Do you see how INCONSISTENT your argument is ?? Terrible try; your critical thinking skills leave a lot to be desired !!!!!
Most abusers are able to hide it from family and friends. To the outside world they appear kind, considerate, and it would be unfathomable to loved ones that they are capable of such a heinous act. Once you start peeling back the layers, the cracks start to show themselves.
The family needs to open their eyes and accept what their “innocent boys” truly are, they are monsters
Yes and that’s exactly what they did.
Where do you see abuse?
@@StofStuivershut up.
"The worst devils are sitting in the pews and standing in the pulpit." - Mama
A to the men!!! 💯
Wise mama
Amen, sister! The devil makes a lot of people do crazy stuff. That’s why I am very careful to trust people with my kids!
This right here. Facts
My grandfather was very high up in a local chapel. He was no murderer, but he certainly didn't take the sanctimony of marriage seriously. My mum hated that hypocrisy. Do as you will, repent afterwards! I remember hearing a woman saying in a diner to her girlfriends 'I may not lead the perfect life, but I read my bible every day'. That says it all to me!
He saves lives in Afghanistan? That's a good joke
I'm sure this psycho was also responsible for gunning down a bunch of innocent civs out there. They're both guilty af. I'm kinda surprised their conviction took so long.
I literally almost spit out my drink! I was like "now sir...we all know that is false" lmao