My 83 year old mother took her car to her mechanic (not a quick lube) she said she wanted the oil changed. He told her, " it's too soon, you don't need it yet" my mother replied, " it's not your car!" Go Mom!
Sounds like a good tech to me, not trying to necessarily upsell an elderly customer, but rather being forward with his opinion on what he determined to be correct concerning the car, sometimes it needs to be done
Oil is cheaper than iron. People are silly trying to make oil last when it's solely to protect the engine. Considering the second your oil loses its ability to protect your engine, its getting damaged.
The only thing silly is flushing money down the toilet. It's no different than replacing your tires every 3k just because you heard an old wives tale saying they're wore out. I'm well over 400k miles on my Prius, and I change oil every 10-15k. Even changing it that often is probably overkill.
@@nodak81 Or perhaps some of us take in account: Highway vs City miles driven Off-road driving Dusty conditions Trailer Pulling Low Annual Miles driven High Mileage Car Turbo Charged GDI Injection Aggressive Driver Regular vs Synthetic Hybrid Drive Owners Manual recommendation Known reliability of your specific engine
I always do the first oil change between 1000-1500 miles. I consider this the MOST important oil change in the life of the car, by far. Once, a Toyota dealer protested, then brought a guy over to give me a long string of BS, and you wouldn’t believe the crap he put out there. Eventually, they agreed. As he said: oil is cheap, engines are expensive
I change my oil every 3,000-5,000 miles depending on my city to highway driving. I’ve always had vehicles run 250,000 to 600,000 miles with little to no problems. If I had an ecobost, I would change the oil every 1500-3000 miles.
I have a 2019 edge 2.0 eco-boost and I’ve done Oil analysis on this engine and there is a ton of fuel dilution so you’re absolutely right 1500 to 3000 miles
I change my cars oil at 3k regardless of the car, the oil or what the manufacturer says. People say it’s excessive because they are trying to validate what they choose to do.
@@bobhoffman5581 it’s a dumb saying. (Typical of millennials and libertarians and those who’ve don’t want to be held to any real level of responsibility.)
I’m Toyota master tech and been at for about 9 years. Just based off what I’ve seen, not opinion whatsoever. Toyota says 10k intervals. I say that’s too long. I’ve seen some camrys, corollas, and mostly the Prius that once they get over 100k when the car comes in for their tire rotation I have to put low 3 quarts of oil in their engine to help make it to their next oil change. The piston rings get full of sludge and carbon since you’re expecting 4 quarts of oil lubricating the engine for 10k plus however long your idling. Its like asking 10 employees to do the work of normally 20. It’s crazy in my opinion. That’s just what I’ve seen though. I got my mom to stop driving GM cars and her Corolla has like 140k on it. Doesn’t burn a drop of oil and she’s owned it since it was new. Her secret is oil change every 5k and mostly highway driving. Oil comes out still brown. I could push it out past 5k but better safe than sorry. I have a 16 wrx that I dog the piss out of. I change the oil every 2k and it comes out blacker than the night sky. So these are just my observations from personal cars and customer cars across one brand.
Preventive maintenance is never excessive. If you want to go inside recommended maintenance intervals that means you care about whatever product you own. Coming from working on aircraft for 4 years in the military our preventive maintenance schedules were excessive on purpose because we didn't want to lose our mission or have any loss of lives. So change your oil as often as you like even if someone says it's "excessive". Just smile and know you're right.
For the less mechanically inclined. Think of it like handwashing dishes. The more you use your water, the dirtier it gets & less effective it is at doing its job. Same with oil.
Oil doesn't "wear out"! It does however get contaminated and has to be changed. Train locomotives used what they called a "sock" to filter the oil, never changing it just add to what the sock absorbed. Not sure if this is the norn today. Also locomotives aren't diesel. They are electric. The diesel in them is to generate the electricity for the electric motors.
Outstanding tips as always Rich, as you may know I run Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, Mobil 1 Truck/SUV, or Quaker State Ultimate Durability. I change oil, and filter, every 5,000 miles, or three months. The phrase engines are expensive, and oil is much cheaper is so very true! With all the short trips, and stop and go driving I do in the city, definitely gives me peace of mind.
Good to know, I was told that I change my engine oil to excessive, I drive mostly short trips, so I change my oil by time, not by miles. I do every 3 months.👍👍👍
A former coworker used to tell me all the time that I was excessive with my oil and fluid changes but was amazed when I've had multiple vehicles running to 300k on original drivetrains. Even more surprising is we worked in an automotive development lab that tested engines.
Going extended oil change intervals is ok. Problem is many people never check the oil level! Seen so many engines come in dangerously low on oil. This is what damages most engines! Great video!
Very true. Lots of people wait for the oil change reminder to pop up on the dash, and never check the level between times. My HHR would run out of oil if I waited that long, it needs a half-quart every 2k miles or so.
My OCI has always been 7,500 miles without any problems but I check my oil level every 15 days and I always use top quality full synthetic oil with a quality oil filter. If you're in the business of changing oil of course the sooner the better.
maxpaul11, I agree. I was outside one time when my son's girlfriend drove onto the property and I heard the borrowed Subaru she was driving rapping away. When I checked the oil it wasn't even showing on the dipstick. I ran out and got a couple quarts and put them in and it still wasn't to the dipstick. I ended up putting 3 quarts in and she had come a couple hundred miles at highway speeds. Can't even imagine what that did to that engine.
read the starred section of the maintenance cycle, "ideal conditions for a 5k oil change." there is no ideal conditions, 70-80 degrees,no rain,no snow,no salt,no blowing winds.....etc. etc. 3k is the standard oil change technically on all cars.unless you live in an alternate dimension that meets those standards.
Toyota says 10k miles (hybrid and non hybrid, unless its flex fuel or severe use its 5k). 3k hasnt been any manufacturers standard in probably 15 plus years.
I was taught that oil does not wear out, it becomes contaminated. In your current cleaning experiment you could justify changing the oil every 200 miles based on what you found in the filter. Thanks for the clarification as I am one of the motor vs engine crowd. Simply stated, a motor is powered (electricity, vacuum) and an engine is fueled. (You do not have a blower engine in your heater and A/C system) What I am going to say may be over the top to some people but it is a good idea to change the engine oil and even the automatic transmission fluid if the car has _seriously_ overheated because heat causes oil to lose its lubricating properties. (I do not know if that applies to synthetics but it is true for conventional oils) It will come back to life when it has cooled off but the fact that the oil has been damaged, even temporarily, is reason enough to change it. If you would indulge me, I have a story of something I witnessed in 1977 or 78 that justifies my point. At that time I was working in the parts department of a Ford agency in New York. I was always hanging out with the service manager because he was one of the finest men I ever knew. (R.I.P. Dick Racioppi) A customer had a new Mustang II with a V-6 engine that had only 700 miles on it and he came in because the oil light was on. The technician pulled the oil pan and found the number one main bearing, the one all the way at the rear was burnt. Thinking it may have started up dry at the factory he replaced the bearing under warranty and sent it out the door. Seven hundred miles later the customer came back and the oil light was on again. The technician pulled the pan and the same bearing was burned out. He checked all of the other mains and the rod bearings and everything was good. It was only the number one main bearing that was burnt. After replacing the bearing a second time Dick told the customer there may be a problem and if it happens again they'll give him a courtesy car while they hunt down the cause. Seven hundred miles later the customer came back with the same problem so they gave him a T-bird and then at 5 O'clock Dick called everyone into his office. He explained the situation and then took out a yellow legal pad and said "Okay gentlemen, I'm ready." As the technicians gave possible reasons for the problem Dick wrote them down and when they finished he handed the paper to the tech who had worked on the car and said "Okay Bobby, first thing in the morning." The technician checked everything on the list and it was all within spec. I asked Dick what he was going to do and he said "I called Ford Motor and they said it can't happen but they'll get back to me." Two weeks later Dick got a call from Ford and they said "Go to the parts department and get a set of replacement heads and put them on the car." Huh? Replace the _cylinder heads_ for a burned main bearing? *YES.* Ford had taken an engine off the assembly line and hacksawed it in half and that's how they found the problem. It seems that when the cylinder heads were made there was a problem and the sand or flash that comes from the casting or drilling process got caught in the oil return holes and then hardened when it cooled which prevented the oil from returning to the pan. The oil went around and around in the head and became so hot it lost its lubricating properties. Eventually there was so much oil in the head that it reached the pushrod holes and that was how it was returned to the pan. The overheated oil went into the pan where it was picked up by the oil pump, passed through the filter, and then went to... you guessed it.... the number one main bearing. By the time it went through the first bearing it had cooled down enough that it regained its lubricating properties so that's why none of the other bearings were affected. The tech said when he looked in the oil return holes of the original heads it looked like a piece of casting was lodged in it but he was able to chip it away with a screwdriver. I walked away having learned a couple of good lessons. The first was every technician in the shop had missed the problem and no one even came close. It gave me a new respect for the "egghead" engineers I used to mock and was disappointed that none of the guys I respected thought outside of the box as their suggestions all had to do with the bottom end of the engine. It reinforced my respect for service manager Dick Racioppi because he showed me how to solve problems without letting pride or ego get in the way. I also learned oil that is overheated will lose its lubricating properties and can cause serious engine damage. As you said, oil is cheap, engines are not, so it is cheap insurance to change it if the engine has overheated for any length of time regardless of the miles that are on it.
Your correct, oil does not wear out. Do you know the oil change interval on turbine aircraft engines......there isn't one. No piston rings allowing blowby into the oil. They take samples and if excessive metal is found, the engine gets changed.
Actually, the shear forces acting on the oil DO wear it out by breaking down the molecules. It effectively makes the oil thinner. Add in the lowering Ph (Acids) that form over time as well as suspended dirt/wear particles that is too tiny to be held by the filter and you get a toxic soup that really needs to be changed. Both our vehicles have the 2.0 ecoboost motors. My wife drives every day. So I let her car go 5k between changes. I use only good synthetic motor oils. I drive a few times a week plus an occasional road trip for camping. So I change mine every 3k miles. If you have a turbo, do consider synthetic oil to be a good investment. You don't want to coke up the turbo bearings with carbon and then have some of that drain back into the sump or to even clog the turbo oil return line. I have seen that happen. Lady who owned it was "too busy" to do regular oil changes and always used the cheapest regular oil. Lots of in town driving. Blew the turbo up and seized it after the line clogged. His advice here will save you much money and trouble over the long run. For most of us, our car is the second most expensive thing we own next to our homes. Doesn't it just make sense to make it last as long as possible?
Good advice. I know dealer mechanics have to follow manufacturer guidelines for vehicle repairs under warranty…. I would have torn down the engine and checked each part to see if it was in spec…
Years ago I had a compact truck that I was driving down the freeway. All of a sudden the engine just stopped at 65mph. It was of a switch flipped and the engine just stopped. Had it towed to the dealer. They found the gear on the end of the camshaft that drives the oil pump had some teeth break off and locked up the engine. Luckily it was under warranty and they replaced the engine. Engine oil level was fine and still had another 2000 miles before it needed changed. Then I had to take it back 5 times to have a popping sound repaired. The 5th time a younger mechanic used the clip on mic set and figured out that the cross brace supporting the transmission and transfer case wasn’t tightened properly. Never had a problem again.
I like this guy there is no BS when he talks. I was in the business and I use to recomeend the same thing. People are so resistant to this info because they think it's a scam. But I love his saying and I wish I had thought of it-oil is cheap ......engines and labor or not!
Amen! No motor ever blew up from changing oil to early 😳. I bought a 2019 RAM bighorn 5.7 brand new and I change the oil since New at 5,000 Miles.... even though the book says 7,500. Truck runs like a swiss watch. It's cheap to change oil.... check out a replacement motor.
@@jamesshenay3426 I hope its nothing. So many 5.7 and 6.3 developed engine tick. Most reports say they changed the oil as specified. I'm just wondering if the engine hours vs mileage have anything to do with engine tick Very few use oil analysis. I've had 3 hemi's Just never had over 30k. before trading in. Just researching . Thanks for the reply
Bypass filter! I installed one in parallel with the oil cooler on my Toyota Sienna. After 2500 miles the oil does seem cleaner than after previous 2500 mile intervals.
Name brand Oil and fluids are cheap as hell at walmart. I change mine twice as often as I need to because why not. I love my Ford truck and servicing it.
Im annoyed when I see companies like Mobil 1 and Amsoil advertising oil that doesn't need to be changed for 20,000 miles. Just sad that people believe it.
Oh it will make it to 20k under ideal conditions. The back of the bottle says to follow the maintenance schedule on your car and consider bumper to bumper city driving as SEVERE and it doesn’t fall under the 20k oil change, so most people are out but I’m sure there are plenty of idiots who just blindly run it and the engine will be fine… it just won’t make it to 300k. Lol.
@@fomoco300k I agree it's insane, should be at least half that, but I guess people don't understand the basics of oil services, and just want to service their vehicles as seldom as possible. And then there's those who panic over going 10k km on the same oil. I guess why recommended service schedules are so far between is not because the oil is so good, but because the general population doesn't see servicing as important as it actually is, more like a 'necessary evil' that has to be done
Excellent advice. My oil supplier promotes longer intervals with oil testing and I asked him why since shorter intervals will increase his sales. For him it is a selling point to differentiate his brand from other premium brands since big truck oil changes are not cheap. The brand has had success with customers having million mile engines with oil intervals determined by testing. I am on the side of oil is cheaper than rebuilds and the resulting downtime.
theres been a few times i changed out my oil n filter just out of boredom but its also peace of mind knowing that i didnt exceed the service interval + there is a few other things to check - fluid levels -tires -etc.......
The Nissan recommended OCI for my 370Z is 3750 miles. In looking at several used oil analyses for my engine in 370Zs and G37s I noticed that the hot viscosity had degraded from a 5w30 initially to a 5w20, due to the high temperatures and pressures placed on the oil. This was occurring at about the 3k mile mark, and so that is my OCI.
I had an Amsoil dealer stop at my shop , He wanted me to stock his oil for my customers if they wanted it. I told him I had no problems with synthetic oils & used them in my own vehicles, I told him if I sold my customer a 20K oil that nothing else would be checked on said vehicle for 20K miles like brakes, tire pressures, steering & suspension components, etc.... nothing would get greased. A proper service is more than dropping the oil, spinning on a new filter & topping the oil up.
I know a person who changed the oil every 10,000 miles, and changed the filter every 2,000 miles. The car was a 1965 Chevy station wagon with a 327ci, with 350,000 miles.
@@AdamSmith-ps1ws The man was a taxi service in his personal car. For three years I serviced his car at the service station I worked at. Along with regular maintenance tuneup, brakes and stuff like that. That’s the way he wanted things done.
I think a lot of vehicle owners need to hear the things you said about OCI's. I look at it this way, it is my vehicle and I want to keep it in the best shape and reliable as possible. I don't need some yahoo at a service desk running me down for it and won't allow that to happen. I just bought a new Kia and with ill health it has to be reliable for that reason alone. Thank you for letting people know and help dispel the stigma of early oil changes.
Respect!!! As I'm watching this video, as I eat my lunch on my break. 100% agree been doing the 3k oil change past 20 years. None of the vehicles had burning oil and never has a oil leaks. Keep up the work Sir
I’m a fan of “early” changes. Just got my new Tacoma. First change was 500. Second was 1500. Third was 4000. Break in procedure I prefer. Will be every 3-5k after.
@@derekp6636 My truck actually came with a complementary two-year 24 month change but they wanted me to wait to 10,000 miles for the first oil change. No thanks.
I follow the Toyota recommended intervals for my 2019 Tacoma. It rarely sees "severe" conditions. If I start using that way, I will still follow their recommendations of 5000 miles. I'm comfortable with what the engineers designed. I also have a couple of good friends who are engineers for a large independent testing facility. They confirm that the manufacturer guidelines work as advertised. All that said, I don't care if someone does it differently. I'm 62, and have never had a failed engine, transmission, differential, etc.
@@nodak81 Your comments here PROVE two things; you're an obnoxious "know it all," who doesn't really know MUCH ABOUT mechanical things, like internal combustion engines. Duly NOTED...
5000 miles on a late model Ford would be the recommended interval for severe duty. If you read Ford's definition of severe duty, you will find that most cars tend to fall under one or more of the severe duty definitions. So I agree 5000 miles is a good recommendation for the vast majority of the cars on the road. I also recommend using the best full synthetic oil you can, as those oils provide better protection at high operating temperatures. If you're running a turbo, synthetic is the way to go. I personally have always used Mobil 1 in the appropriate viscosity per the manufacturers specifications, there are other full synthetics that are fine as well. Mobil 1 is easy to find everywhere.
It's also mediocre nothing special about it and there's other oils that are much better that last quite a bit longer with better additives that protect better and that are just as cheap as mobile
Even highway miles can be brutal. I just changed the oil in my boosted ford truck after pulling a pair of boats from east Minnesota back to western Montana, 1200 miles with a steady 20 mph headwind turbo running all the time but for the steep downhills. 3500 mile oil change and the oil looked like a 10,000 mile change and the filter was pretty bad. Oh yeah conditions matter!
Im with the “3k miles” club. But I understand that not everybody wants to or can even afford every 3K miles. So I agree that 5K miles is a safe distance based on experience. That’s what we put on our stickers at my dealership.
a lot of factors on oil change intervals: quality of oil, driving habits, idle time, dusty conditions, etc. We did oil sampling and testing on a lot of our fleet and then determined a happy medium. One size does not fit all. When you're running a fleet oil, labor, parts cost, and life cycle all factor in. For an individual who wants to keep a vehicle 100,000+ miles sooner is always better. The manufacturers recommendations and based on warranty and ideal conditions.
Yeah the middle of the best and worst is usually good. The air and oil filters are just as important. Reduces wear by a lot. Keeps the oil cleaner and there's less scuffing particles in the oil that scrape the engine up.
But every manufacturer also lists a "severe service" schedule, so the intervals aren't based on perfect conditions. The question for me is whether driving a few miles on a dirt road converts to severe service. I don't think so, but if that happens a lot then yes. I sometimes toward small utility trailer. 1500 pounds every now and then (Tacoma with 6000 pound limit) doesn't scream severe to me. Towing my 5000 pound camper more than 100 miles changes that equation for my engine, tyranny, diffs, brakes, etc.
Just got my dream truck, 2019 F150 3.5 ecoboost king ranch, and I am not going over 3k for oil changes... I am not rich and paid a lot for this truck and I want to keep it a long time. 3k on the turbo is a must from everyone I have spoke to... love the channel, thanks!
There are so many variables. Buddy of mine had a 2002 BMW 3 series with the M54 engine. Followed the 15k oci. Lots of long country road commutes at 55-65mph. Was closing in on 300k when a deer totaled it out. Used 1.5liters per oil changed. On the total flip side. Dads 3.5 ecoboost sees lots of short trip and remote starts. Used oil analysis shows 3500 miles engine oils is pretty well used up. Use is the biggest factor with oil quality being next. The BMW 5w40 LL01 is a stout oil. Motorcraft blend is kinda weak. Especially for GTDI engines.
As an M54 x5 owner, its true. I could never go passed 5k miles, and I weigh way more than an e46 with an m54 and I use it off-roading and hauling so definitely needed at 5.
I changed my oil every 7K miles on my 2013 V6 Honda Accord based on manufacturers spec. Currently have 167,000 MI and roughly getting about 26.8 miles to gallon at highway speeds of 80 mph Using 0w-20 amsoil signature series with a premium filter also have a magnetic drain plug for any extra particles the filter may miss
The company I drive for changes the oil every 60-70k miles. Of course, it's a semi truck and it's 99% highway miles. Warranty says it has to be done every 80k. I think it should be done more often, but it's not my truck.
@@eternalspring1034 I agree, when I came into this industry, oil change was 30,000 miles tops. One company did it after 3600 gallons of fuel. But now I'm seeing more and more companies pushing the service intervals out, and then dumping the trucks at 500,000 miles.
Great advise here! My Toyota Tacoma requires oil and filter changes at every 10,000 miles. I do "stop and go" driving and tow a boat in the summer. I change my oil and filter every 5,000 miles. The oil and filters are much cheaper over time than a new or reman.engine.
Ford Boss Me - You couldn't be more right with your take on oil changing frequency. I used to have a 1998 Cadillac STS with a Northstar V8. I traded it in after 140k miles. I traded it on a Friday, the next day the Cadillac tech called me after he did a wet and dry compression test. He called to tell me he was shicked the engine was still registering full factory specs. I guess they see many of those engines worn to some extent from lack of oil changes. The tech asked me what I did to keep the engine in such good shape. I change the oil myself with full synthetic motor oil and AC/Delco oil filter. I changed the oil about every 5-6,000 miles. I didn't drive the car like a 90 yr old grandma but I didn't drive it like I stole it either. I figured what I had done with the oil changes was good. I didn't realize it was really good until that phone call. Needless to say, I have continued this maintenance schedule with all my other cars since than. I never have engine troubles (not that I had them before the Cadillac STS) But cars of 250 & 300 thousands miles are the norm. I had an 2007 Buick Rendezvous with 375k before I sold. Its not black magic nor rocket science. Its just common sense. Cheers
5000 miles in the last 5 years of engines is my recommendation for oil changes providing the engine is operated in the right conditions. If it is run at least 20 minutes every time it starts up 5000 miles is the limit on oil and the filter. Short drives regularly I recommend the 3000 mile change. If the vehicle sits more than it's driven change the oil every 6 months even if you haven't hit 3000 miles. Oil builds up water condensation in it over time. In 6 months of a vehicle sitting the oil will look clean but it will not perform it's duties as required by the specification given by the manufacturer. I've seen engines spin bearings with less than 30,000 miles because they sat more than they were driven and the owner just changed the oil at the 3000 mile recommendation while ignoring the 6 month recommendation. Time matters more the less the vehicle is operated.
Sitting idle is one of the worst conditions a piece of machinery/equipment can endure. Too many reasons to list here briefly, but anyone who knows will certainly know this is true. Used motor oil turns acidic over time. 6 months is the max standard for any used oil to remain in an engine. That doesn’t even crack the door to water condensation, lack of moving lubricated parts through their processes under normal operating conditions, etc., etc.
water condensation will burn off in one drive cycle as long as its warmed up. Ive gone 2.5 years between oil changes, as I have two vehicles and rarely leave the house. I wouldnt even consider changing oil in both vehicles every 6 months, it would be like throwing money away. One has 102k miles and the other has 65K. They both are well maintained by myself (retired aircraft mechanic) and run flawlessly. I typically change oil between 6-8k. I drive with a heavy foot but neither is turbocharged, if they were I would do 5k
This video is one of the best explanations on this topic. Thanks brother. Personally for myself, I'll run 5,000 miles on full synthetic high mileage formula on my 06 v8 explorer. As long as you get the proper filter and oil, I personally believe it works well overall. But like you said, everyones situation is different.
I’ve been changing my oil every 5,000 miles with a filter change and use synthetic oil for years. As you said, oil is cheap compared to an engine. Have a great weekend! 😀👍
I rather run 3k on my oils changes on my Jeep commander it’s a 5 thousand pound vehicle. On my Honda Fit I run 5k not as heavy, oil is not worked as hard. Also I run so called cheap oil super tech or Costco oil which ever one is on sale. I rather keep clean oil than run super expensive oil for an extended period of time. Never had and engine problem in any of cars I have owned.
That's crazy cause you have the best drive train Honda makes... ALL JAPAN. ..... i seen an 300k /400k miles on them..... so you just dont wana spend a few bucks more huh ??? Mind blowing
If you get the Full Synthetic oils they are ok but try to use a good quality oil filter because Super tech oil filters are not very good, maybe a Bosch Premium oil filter would be a good choice and it's not very expensive.
Aboutslutly correct. I'm a old man and only drive about 2000 miles per year. Mostly in town. Because of the additive packages break down, I change it every year. Mine is not by mileage but time.
I usually recommend changing the oil based on the amount of fuel used. I go by ~25 gallons per quart of oil capacity, including the filter. If your engine holds 5 quarts, I recommend changing oil after burning 125 gallons of gas. That way, if you're in a truck pulling a loaded trailer, you're running the engine much harder, than cruising smooth and easy in a sedan. That truck engine will benefit from more frequent oil changes, than the sedan, which can definitely go more miles between oil changes. (The sedan will get better gas mileage) When driving in the winter, oil becomes contaminated much more quickly, than in the warmer months. You will notice, your gas mileage isn't as good either. The more frequent oil changes due to reduced fuel efficiency compensates for the condensation of moisture and fuel dilution that comes with short trip driving in sub freezing temperatures. (Forget miles, forget hours) For small engines, with no oil filter, I recommend no more than 10 gallons of fuel per quart of oil capacity. A small Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engine often holds much less than a quart of oil, so it's appropriate to change the oil after consuming 5 to 7-1/2 gallons of gas.
you gas mileage isnt as good in the winter because your air mixing with the fuel is more dense, thus supporting more fuel. It will also make more power
@@FordBossMe Let's really discuss this. If an engine really had pure clean oil at all times how long would it last? I understand that oil testing gives answers to this, but I'm curious.
I ve got a Trailblazer with the 4.2 and usually go 4 months for a change where most times there's not even 3,000 on it or maybe a little more and the Pennzoil Ultra still looks and feels like I could do more. But like you said Rich oils cheap and engines aren't! Blessings to you for your great info and vids!
In the old days, we used to do an oil change at 500 miles, and again at 1500 miles on a new engine, to get the initial break-in metal out of there. I know materials have gotten better, but it seems crazy to me that the manufactures recommend 5,000 miles for the first change. Filters also get overlooked. People buy the cheapest filter that Autozone has. It is an extra $5 for a quality filter. I have been running Wix filters for 25 years. Never let me down.
I changed my new Maverick's oil at 1100 miles to call it a break in change. The oil had a big dose of UV dye in it! Is that normal for new Fords? How does that dye affect the oils' ability to lube hot turbo bearings? Overall, I felt glad to have some fresh synthetic in there after break in.
My mom had the oil changed in her '87 Lincoln Town Car every 2,000 miles. She had to have the oil pan replaced, because it rusted due to salted roads, I believe. When her repair facility pulled the pan to replace it, (it had a pin hole leak) there wasn't ANY sludge/gunk IN the bottom of it. It was like brand new inside. No buildup of gunk/sludge on the rocker arm assemblies EITHER, of course! LOL
I'll tell you what, I have a 20 year old truck. I have kept the oil changed. No more than 3k miles. It has 289k miles on it now and still trucking! Edit: I've done all my own maintenance.
I do a quality brand oil and a wix filter every 6 months or 6k. All 3 of my vehicles use the same filter, so I order them by the case on Amazon or Ebay
100% agree !! I change oil soon as it discolors. G3 Coyote no oil loss between changees, no ticks, phasers are happy 3500 or once a year. 7k on my 3yr old 19 GT it's already had 5 oil changes.
I usually change oil and filter every 5k miles. It works well for me, because it's a nice round number easy to remember, and that around that time, I need to add a quart and/or the oil has begun to turn dark amber in color.
A couple comments for you my friend. First, understand my career was as a journalist and I had people yelling at me all the time calling me a liar saying I didn't write the truth, I'm talking 30 years of this. Don't let it get to you when people leave their little snide comments. You're giving good advice on everything you're talking about, common sense advice. I can't believe people argue over how long to wait on oil changes. You're spending 20 or 30 or $40,000 on a car and you don't want to spend 30 or 40 bucks for an oil change, that's crazy. Keep up the very good work I appreciate all your videos.
Yeah I bought a 2020 mustang Gt changing at 1000 then every 3000 it had 7 miles on it when I bought only 700 on it now I’ll change the oil sooner then recommend you pay $55,000 for a vehicle you want to keep it nice
I changed my new GTI's oil at 1000 miles and doing 3000 miles from now on. Turbochargers are hell on oil. I've seen turbo GDI engines that do 10,000 mile OCI's. The oil is like diesel oil and smells awful.
Been doing 10-12k km for over a decade. I used to get my oil tested when I had a buddy who worked at the cat dealer, cheap synthetic would always come back with a safe TBN. Some engines beat the crap out of oil,most don't. For most people 5k miles is safe,because they never check it and that decreases the odds of them driving with no oil. If you get that testing done from Blackstone,get the TBN test. TBN is a good indicator of usable life
Coastal weather. A farm supply truck only gets warmed up every few days. Biannual oil and filter change. I am building an oil filter/ reclaim system to run the golden used oil for a 100 hour generator run time. The cost of 24 hour runs and changes is getting costly. I hope it is ok to use it again in an old 2 cycle honda gen. I plan to boost it with 50/50 fresh same name brand oil.
Especially with these variable timing engines with long chains and phasers, and of course complex valve trains, early/ frequent is what keeps these engines running a long time.
This! This! This! People don't understand how quickly those systems go to shit. And how costly it can be. Oil is cheap and it keeps variable timed engines clean and happy the sooner it's changed
Yup everyone on the Tundra page bitching about Chain slap and ticking sounds from the vvt and they change their oil every 10k miles ..... i mean shit will eventualy clog and fuck up
I agree with that. After seeing MANY class 8 Diesel engines worn out well before they should be due to greedy companies running insane oci’s with no oil analysis ever being done, my experienced opinion is stick to cautionary oci’s. If you want to go longer, have your oil tested at your normal change mileage. Find out the facts instead of opinions. There are oils that are totally depleted at 3500 miles, and there are oils that test good (still serviceable) at 15000 miles. When you start pushing the mileage on an oil, know that every engine is different. Some have hardly any blow by, some have high fuel dilution, and some are just bad designs. There are engines that burn oil no matter what you do, like the Jeep 3.8L. The harmonics in that engine cause excessive ring rotation that leads to reign gaps lining up and oil passes into the combustion chamber. The only fix for that engine is a precision balance job and quality rings, or to just swap the rings to gapless rings. Engines that run high oil temps bake off additives. Engines that use the oil like hydraulic fluid, such as some power strokes & Cat engines, do a massive amount of sheering to the oil which breaks down the oil faster. Knowledge always trumps assumptions. Get your oil tested if you want to be certain.
Bought a new atv back in 2013, manufacture recommended 1st oil change at 100 miles which I was happy to do... dealer told me no! I went to another dealer bought the oil and filter and did it myself and when I went in for the " 1st" oil change at my dealer recommended 500 miles they told me they had never seen such break in oil lol. Still have that machine and it does not burn s drop of oil..
There is more to scheduled oil changes than mileage alone. Vehicles that a driven in stop and go traffic, ten minute trips to the grocery store, long idling at low RPM, vehicles stored and run fifteen to thirty minutes, low speed commutes, etc. Is not the same for vehicles that are taken on two or more hour trips where they run at two thousand RPM or so for hours at a time. Moisture is the biggest demon to oil, it depletes detergents, and inhibitors in the oil and creates sludge. Hot engines do not accumulate a lot of moisture as a rule. Engine oil does not wear out, it gets dirty. Good filtration is the key, filtering out the depleted detergents and inhibitors. City stop and go vehicles require a shorter oil change interval, highway vehicles that are primarily driven on the highway can have longer oil change intervals moisture. This is my opinion. I drive a 15 F150 5.0 engine and change the oil every 75k miles, as you are aware it has an eight quart capacity, and your Dodge has a five quart capacity, and this makes a big difference as well.
A very smart man told me a long time ago, he said, “You can never over change your engine oil”. I never forgot that. I go 3,000 miles and sometimes sooner if my car was driven in really harsh weather conditions. It’s not excessive, it’s good insurance for my engines. The only engine oil I would consider maybe going over 5,000 miles might be Amsoil, but I know it would bother me so it would get dumped!
The shop I take my vehicles to for most vehicle work always recommends 3k intervals every time they change the oil. I find it interesting people choose to believe everything they hear on the internet about oil and change intervals. Remember: Abraham Lincoln HIMSELF said this: Don't believe everything you hear/see on the internet just because someone "important" says it.
@@nickv4073 In my opinion, if these mechanics "find" something wrong, it's usually because there IS something wrong. I understand if you've had bad experiences in the past, but I've dealt with these guys for a while now, and if I think that a repair is unnecessary, I just ask them not to do it. And, (in my humble opinion) any shop that recommends oil changes at shorter intervals like 3-5k usually knows just how engines should be treated. Would you trust a shop that recommends 10k+ oil changes? I wouldn't. I wouldn't even bring my 200$ beater car to a place like that. @Ford Boss Me If you wanna weigh in with an opinion, feel free. I'm curious to know what you think about independent shops with shorter oil change interval recommendations, and if you think it's all a scheme to get more money. :)
In pre-1984 HD Big Twins S&S Cycle recommended oil changes every 1,000 miles under all conditions. Of course, the oil circulated through both the engine and the primary drive meaning clutch material contaminated it. After 25,000 miles I still saw hone marks on my '79 FXS. Changing oil is a lot easier than changing pistons.
Seeing the whole oil debate just tickles me. I hear some say once a year is all you need. Then I hear 7,500 miles, and so on. People have no issues with financing a vehicle for 84 months at 750.00 a month. But paying for that oil change every 3,000 miles? Oh hell naw! They are ripping me off 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ The oil is the shield that protects the engine. No one has had an engine fail because of excessive oil changes.
Exactly. Since I'm a self employed consultant, I will occasionally use my Focus for business. So I track every km and every penny that goes into it. A spreadsheet makes it so easy you don't even have to think about it. The only way a car "pays" for itself is if you keep it until the doors fall off, or until a catastrophic failure that exceeds what the car is worth at that point. I routinely encounter people who refuse to change oil because it "costs too much," but they idle in line at Timmies to get a Double Double and a donut every effing day. $3-5 bucks every day. They can "justify" a cardboard cup of schitt coffee and a high fructose corn syrup thing to eat, but they can't budget a dollar and change a day for routine upkeep. Ever seen 2-3 year old SUV's, pickup trucks or whatever with bald tires? As in they look like racing slicks? They can "afford" a $750 a month payment, but can't budget $2 a day for the inevitable tire replacement
It costs me around $20 Canadian to change the oil in my Ford Flex. That's with name brand quality oil. It's far cheaper than having to spend more money than I have to have to repair my engine. I want to keep that vehicle as long as possible and changing the oil at 3000 miles is going to help that to happen. Pretty cheap insurance if you ask me.
@@davidhoulden5791 usually Castrol is what I pick up because it's what's usually on sale. Seems to work well enough. The engine is smooth and quiet, I can't ask for more than that. It has more than 100k miles on it
Many owners manuals have a oil change chart , it usual has something like normal driving and extreme driving conditions . Many years ago when folks actually did read the owner's manual I had so many people asking me about the difference that I would ask them have you driven your car / truck since the last oil change and if the owner answered yes then I would tell them that they fall under the extreme driving conditions . Most would have a puzzle look on their face so I would explain about how the additive package would start to deteriorate every time the engine was started and the unit driven . I also live in an area of the country that has lots of steep hills to drive on , so that with the summer heat or winter's cold come under the extreme heading . Then we can add into the mix of commercial units that have long idle times with the engine running when it's 105 degrees or 20 degrees and of course the ones that stop and restart many times everyday . Pull anything , drive in stop and go traffic , high speed driving , and so many other circumstances all make for extreme driving conditions . So for over 40 years I've always recommended oil changes between #k and 4K miles , I also have been recommending factory oil filters and BOTTLED oil . I can say that after my 50 + year carrier oils have improved to the point that people think they can drive forever and never change the oil . I've seen every kind of oil and additive from straight weight non detergent to what we have today's gf6 . Most are ? were good , some were great , and many were terrible . Yup I've replace many a engine with less that 25 k because of lack of service , all makes and models , Really enjoy your videos keep up the good work ! And sorry to hog your page .
I drive a company vehicle, but I have a 2018 diesel that I use for hauling the toys. The recommended oil change interval is 15000 miles. Even though the truck doesn't see a lot of use, I go about 5000 between changes. With the emissions on these trucks I can't see how they can recommend that far on an oil change. The oil is black right after it's changed. Might go further with a bypass filter but not without.
Where I work we recommend 5,000 miles/1 year on synthetic-blend, and 7,500 miles/1 year on full-synthetic as the general rule of thumb. Most of the vehicles we work on hold 7-11 quarts and have factory recommended service intervals ranging from 10,000-18,000miles and 1-2years. We cut our recommended oil change intervals down if we're working on vehicles with low oil capacities, or know issues such as excessive oil consumption or fuel dilution problems.
Some people believe the oil manufacturers that are touting 10,15 even 20k oil change intervals. A ton of people don’t check their oil let alone any other fluids and if you do go that far you may be running low or out of oil by the time you hit that mileage. Not to mention an oil change at least where I work isn’t just an oil change it’s a complete inspection. Very often we’re finding legitimate safety concerns and required preventative maintenance at the 3-5k intervals. In my experience customers vehicles that go farther than that are behind on maintenance and bigger problems and or a dangerous vehicle is the result.
I do 5k on my wife's 05 sportage v6 and 6-7k on my 03 Corolla. Synthetic in both of em. If I had a turbo GDI vehicle I would definitely take your advice and do 3k maybe 3500.
Been spinning wrenches over 35 years. My passion. I deal with when things go wrong. We see what goes wrong. Also, we care for our customers, they are also our friends. I don't want to take your money frivolously, I understand. For my own machines, I take care of them. I do maintenance far ahead if schedule. I must spend my time taking care of my friends, not my own problems. It's that simple. Preventative maintenance is key.
I've put 33'000 miles on my car this past year. I've changed the oil six times. I check it regularly. Its enough. Just always check your oil. Any long trip, or if its been a while. Check. It takes one minute and it could save you an engine.
Amigo ! I totally agree with everything you said, thank you ! Had a few BMW's once.. The "M" one called for All the fluids underneath to be changed at 1,200 miles, on BMW'S dime... They did it all and said their engines, etc., last longer with this early oil change... Back then, 1 quart of their recommended oil was around $15.00 I believe... I finally sold this 2002 BMW M Coupe 6-speed, and the people who bought it, drove from Seattle, WA to Minneapolis, Minn in a little over 24 hours... They never drove slower than 100+ the whole way... The car ran great and had no problems...
I only do test results for metal content I do not do test results to let me know how or when I should be changing my oil I don't believe in that with the amount of brand new engines I've taken apart I'm never going to go buy that for oil change intervals and it's silly to go by that
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My 83 year old mother took her car to her mechanic (not a quick lube) she said she wanted the oil changed. He told her, " it's too soon, you don't need it yet" my mother replied, " it's not your car!"
Go Mom!
Hell yeah!
Exactly!
Sounds like a good tech to me, not trying to necessarily upsell an elderly customer, but rather being forward with his opinion on what he determined to be correct concerning the car, sometimes it needs to be done
That’s right!
Good for mom, my mom was the same.
No engine ever blew up from the oil being too clean! lol!
Only good oil is clean oil
That's what I tell people
Okay. Let's out clean gear oil in an engine that calls for 0w-16!
@@john0270 If you cane it, maintain it!
it's true, I've killed engines from foolish over boost. lol
Oil is cheaper than iron. People are silly trying to make oil last when it's solely to protect the engine. Considering the second your oil loses its ability to protect your engine, its getting damaged.
The only thing silly is flushing money down the toilet. It's no different than replacing your tires every 3k just because you heard an old wives tale saying they're wore out. I'm well over 400k miles on my Prius, and I change oil every 10-15k. Even changing it that often is probably overkill.
@@nodak81 doesnt the electric motor take a lot of strain off the gas engine?
@@nodak81 Or perhaps some of us take in account:
Highway vs City miles driven
Off-road driving
Dusty conditions
Trailer Pulling
Low Annual Miles driven
High Mileage Car
Turbo Charged
GDI Injection
Aggressive Driver
Regular vs Synthetic
Hybrid Drive
Owners Manual recommendation
Known reliability of your specific engine
I always do the first oil change between 1000-1500 miles. I consider this the MOST important oil change in the life of the car, by far. Once, a Toyota dealer protested, then brought a guy over to give me a long string of BS, and you wouldn’t believe the crap he put out there. Eventually, they agreed. As he said: oil is cheap, engines are expensive
I’d rather get an oil change 2-4 times a year than pay for a new engine. $200 yearly vs $5000 is a no brainer
I change my oil every 3,000-5,000 miles depending on my city to highway driving. I’ve always had vehicles run 250,000 to 600,000 miles with little to no problems. If I had an ecobost, I would change the oil every 1500-3000 miles.
I have a 2019 edge 2.0 eco-boost and I’ve done Oil analysis on this engine and there is a ton of fuel dilution so you’re absolutely right 1500 to 3000 miles
@@kos2318
Thank you
You're the first person who has mentioned oil analysis and fuel dilution
Thank you
So what's up with the ecoboost engines?
@@trplpwr1038
Fuel dilution in oil
@@bobimbordino3024 Yeah 10-4 I got that, was just wondering how the fuel's getting in there.
I change my cars oil at 3k regardless of the car, the oil or what the manufacturer says. People say it’s excessive because they are trying to validate what they choose to do.
People say changing it every 3k is necessary because they are trying to validate what they choose to do.
Pay now or pay later. Like FBM said, “Oil is cheap, engines are not.”
As the saying goes--"you do YOU." 👍
@@bobhoffman5581 it’s a dumb saying.
(Typical of millennials and libertarians and those who’ve don’t want to be held to any real level of responsibility.)
I’m Toyota master tech and been at for about 9 years. Just based off what I’ve seen, not opinion whatsoever. Toyota says 10k intervals. I say that’s too long. I’ve seen some camrys, corollas, and mostly the Prius that once they get over 100k when the car comes in for their tire rotation I have to put low 3 quarts of oil in their engine to help make it to their next oil change.
The piston rings get full of sludge and carbon since you’re expecting 4 quarts of oil lubricating the engine for 10k plus however long your idling. Its like asking 10 employees to do the work of normally 20. It’s crazy in my opinion. That’s just what I’ve seen though.
I got my mom to stop driving GM cars and her Corolla has like 140k on it. Doesn’t burn a drop of oil and she’s owned it since it was new. Her secret is oil change every 5k and mostly highway driving. Oil comes out still brown. I could push it out past 5k but better safe than sorry.
I have a 16 wrx that I dog the piss out of. I change the oil every 2k and it comes out blacker than the night sky.
So these are just my observations from personal cars and customer cars across one brand.
Preventive maintenance is never excessive. If you want to go inside recommended maintenance intervals that means you care about whatever product you own. Coming from working on aircraft for 4 years in the military our preventive maintenance schedules were excessive on purpose because we didn't want to lose our mission or have any loss of lives. So change your oil as often as you like even if someone says it's "excessive". Just smile and know you're right.
For the less mechanically inclined. Think of it like handwashing dishes. The more you use your water, the dirtier it gets & less effective it is at doing its job. Same with oil.
Exactly! I change the oil in my wrx like every 2k. When I change it, the oil comes out black as night
Very good analogy!
Oil doesn't "wear out"! It does however get contaminated and has to be changed. Train locomotives used what they called a "sock" to filter the oil, never changing it just add
to what the sock absorbed. Not sure if this is the norn today. Also locomotives aren't diesel. They are electric. The diesel in them is to generate the electricity for the electric motors.
Excellent analogy! Too bad that kids today don't help out around the house. Perhaps we need video game analogies to get t hem to understand. ;-)
Outstanding tips as always Rich, as you may know I run Pennzoil Ultra Platinum, Mobil 1 Truck/SUV, or Quaker State Ultimate Durability. I change oil, and filter, every 5,000 miles, or three months. The phrase engines are expensive, and oil is much cheaper is so very true! With all the short trips, and stop and go driving I do in the city, definitely gives me peace of mind.
Good to know, I was told that I change my engine oil to excessive, I drive mostly short trips, so I change my oil by time, not by miles. I do every 3 months.👍👍👍
Same here. I usually put on no more than 7,000 km a year, and almost 90% of that is short trips of under 10 minutes. In winter, temps can be -40
@@jerrykorman7770 👍, like he said, oil is cheap, engines not
Same here.
A former coworker used to tell me all the time that I was excessive with my oil and fluid changes but was amazed when I've had multiple vehicles running to 300k on original drivetrains. Even more surprising is we worked in an automotive development lab that tested engines.
That’s kind of hilarious 😂
good stuff brother.
Going extended oil change intervals is ok. Problem is many people never check the oil level! Seen so many engines come in dangerously low on oil. This is what damages most engines! Great video!
I’ve spent 100s of hours thinking about this topic - but never actually thought of this fact. Good point.
Very true. Lots of people wait for the oil change reminder to pop up on the dash, and never check the level between times. My HHR would run out of oil if I waited that long, it needs a half-quart every 2k miles or so.
Exactly.
My OCI has always been 7,500 miles without any problems but I check my oil level every 15 days and I always use top quality full synthetic oil with a quality oil filter. If you're in the business of changing oil of course the sooner the better.
maxpaul11, I agree. I was outside one time when my son's girlfriend drove onto the property and I heard the borrowed Subaru she was driving rapping away. When I checked the oil it wasn't even showing on the dipstick. I ran out and got a couple quarts and put them in and it still wasn't to the dipstick. I ended up putting 3 quarts in and she had come a couple hundred miles at highway speeds. Can't even imagine what that did to that engine.
read the starred section of the maintenance cycle, "ideal conditions for a 5k oil change." there is no ideal conditions, 70-80 degrees,no rain,no snow,no salt,no blowing winds.....etc. etc. 3k is the standard oil change technically on all cars.unless you live in an alternate dimension that meets those standards.
"3k is the standard oil change technically on all cars"
lol, please reference your source...
@@nodak81 On my 3.5L v6 Honda its stated interval is 7,500 miles on conventional oil. With synthetic some manufacturers recommend 10 even 15k.
@@nodak81 don't read well do you
@@nodak81 every mechanic ever
Toyota says 10k miles (hybrid and non hybrid, unless its flex fuel or severe use its 5k). 3k hasnt been any manufacturers standard in probably 15 plus years.
I was taught that oil does not wear out, it becomes contaminated. In your current cleaning experiment you could justify changing the oil every 200 miles based on what you found in the filter. Thanks for the clarification as I am one of the motor vs engine crowd. Simply stated, a motor is powered (electricity, vacuum) and an engine is fueled. (You do not have a blower engine in your heater and A/C system) What I am going to say may be over the top to some people but it is a good idea to change the engine oil and even the automatic transmission fluid if the car has _seriously_ overheated because heat causes oil to lose its lubricating properties. (I do not know if that applies to synthetics but it is true for conventional oils) It will come back to life when it has cooled off but the fact that the oil has been damaged, even temporarily, is reason enough to change it. If you would indulge me, I have a story of something I witnessed in 1977 or 78 that justifies my point.
At that time I was working in the parts department of a Ford agency in New York. I was always hanging out with the service manager because he was one of the finest men I ever knew. (R.I.P. Dick Racioppi) A customer had a new Mustang II with a V-6 engine that had only 700 miles on it and he came in because the oil light was on. The technician pulled the oil pan and found the number one main bearing, the one all the way at the rear was burnt. Thinking it may have started up dry at the factory he replaced the bearing under warranty and sent it out the door. Seven hundred miles later the customer came back and the oil light was on again. The technician pulled the pan and the same bearing was burned out. He checked all of the other mains and the rod bearings and everything was good. It was only the number one main bearing that was burnt. After replacing the bearing a second time Dick told the customer there may be a problem and if it happens again they'll give him a courtesy car while they hunt down the cause.
Seven hundred miles later the customer came back with the same problem so they gave him a T-bird and then at 5 O'clock Dick called everyone into his office. He explained the situation and then took out a yellow legal pad and said "Okay gentlemen, I'm ready." As the technicians gave possible reasons for the problem Dick wrote them down and when they finished he handed the paper to the tech who had worked on the car and said "Okay Bobby, first thing in the morning." The technician checked everything on the list and it was all within spec. I asked Dick what he was going to do and he said "I called Ford Motor and they said it can't happen but they'll get back to me."
Two weeks later Dick got a call from Ford and they said "Go to the parts department and get a set of replacement heads and put them on the car." Huh? Replace the _cylinder heads_ for a burned main bearing? *YES.* Ford had taken an engine off the assembly line and hacksawed it in half and that's how they found the problem. It seems that when the cylinder heads were made there was a problem and the sand or flash that comes from the casting or drilling process got caught in the oil return holes and then hardened when it cooled which prevented the oil from returning to the pan. The oil went around and around in the head and became so hot it lost its lubricating properties. Eventually there was so much oil in the head that it reached the pushrod holes and that was how it was returned to the pan. The overheated oil went into the pan where it was picked up by the oil pump, passed through the filter, and then went to... you guessed it.... the number one main bearing. By the time it went through the first bearing it had cooled down enough that it regained its lubricating properties so that's why none of the other bearings were affected. The tech said when he looked in the oil return holes of the original heads it looked like a piece of casting was lodged in it but he was able to chip it away with a screwdriver.
I walked away having learned a couple of good lessons. The first was every technician in the shop had missed the problem and no one even came close. It gave me a new respect for the "egghead" engineers I used to mock and was disappointed that none of the guys I respected thought outside of the box as their suggestions all had to do with the bottom end of the engine. It reinforced my respect for service manager Dick Racioppi because he showed me how to solve problems without letting pride or ego get in the way. I also learned oil that is overheated will lose its lubricating properties and can cause serious engine damage. As you said, oil is cheap, engines are not, so it is cheap insurance to change it if the engine has overheated for any length of time regardless of the miles that are on it.
Your correct, oil does not wear out. Do you know the oil change interval on turbine aircraft engines......there isn't one. No piston rings allowing blowby into the oil. They take samples and if excessive metal is found, the engine gets changed.
This is an amazing story! Great lesson to always think outside the box
Actually, the shear forces acting on the oil DO wear it out by breaking down the molecules. It effectively makes the oil thinner. Add in the lowering Ph (Acids) that form over time as well as suspended dirt/wear particles that is too tiny to be held by the filter and you get a toxic soup that really needs to be changed. Both our vehicles have the 2.0 ecoboost motors. My wife drives every day. So I let her car go 5k between changes. I use only good synthetic motor oils. I drive a few times a week plus an occasional road trip for camping. So I change mine every 3k miles. If you have a turbo, do consider synthetic oil to be a good investment. You don't want to coke up the turbo bearings with carbon and then have some of that drain back into the sump or to even clog the turbo oil return line. I have seen that happen. Lady who owned it was "too busy" to do regular oil changes and always used the cheapest regular oil. Lots of in town driving. Blew the turbo up and seized it after the line clogged. His advice here will save you much money and trouble over the long run. For most of us, our car is the second most expensive thing we own next to our homes. Doesn't it just make sense to make it last as long as possible?
Good advice. I know dealer mechanics have to follow manufacturer guidelines for vehicle repairs under warranty…. I would have torn down the engine and checked each part to see if it was in spec…
Years ago I had a compact truck that I was driving down the freeway. All of a sudden the engine just stopped at 65mph. It was of a switch flipped and the engine just stopped. Had it towed to the dealer. They found the gear on the end of the camshaft that drives the oil pump had some teeth break off and locked up the engine. Luckily it was under warranty and they replaced the engine. Engine oil level was fine and still had another 2000 miles before it needed changed. Then I had to take it back 5 times to have a popping sound repaired. The 5th time a younger mechanic used the clip on mic set and figured out that the cross brace supporting the transmission and transfer case wasn’t tightened properly. Never had a problem again.
I like this guy there is no BS when he talks. I was in the business and I use to recomeend the same thing. People are so resistant to this info because they think it's a scam. But I love his saying and I wish I had thought of it-oil is cheap ......engines and labor or not!
Amen! No motor ever blew up from changing oil to early 😳. I bought a 2019 RAM bighorn 5.7 brand new and I change the oil since New at 5,000 Miles.... even though the book says 7,500. Truck runs like a swiss watch. It's cheap to change oil.... check out a replacement motor.
Nice..
Never thought of oil dilution.
Let me know about engine tick
What's changing oil regular got to do with engine ticking?
@@jamesshenay3426
I hope its nothing.
So many 5.7 and 6.3 developed engine tick.
Most reports say they changed the oil as specified.
I'm just wondering if the engine hours vs mileage have anything to do with engine tick
Very few use oil analysis.
I've had 3 hemi's
Just never had over 30k. before trading in.
Just researching .
Thanks for the reply
@@pi1797
Thank you
It seems like only some engines??
It seems the lifters mid engine give out first??
Still researching..
Yeah. I like having all my fluids clean. I'm thinking I should add more coolers too!
Bypass filter! I installed one in parallel with the oil cooler on my Toyota Sienna. After 2500 miles the oil does seem cleaner than after previous 2500 mile intervals.
Name brand Oil and fluids are cheap as hell at walmart. I change mine twice as often as I need to because why not. I love my Ford truck and servicing it.
Im annoyed when I see companies like Mobil 1 and Amsoil advertising oil that doesn't need to be changed for 20,000 miles. Just sad that people believe it.
Oh it will make it to 20k under ideal conditions. The back of the bottle says to follow the maintenance schedule on your car and consider bumper to bumper city driving as SEVERE and it doesn’t fall under the 20k oil change, so most people are out but I’m sure there are plenty of idiots who just blindly run it and the engine will be fine… it just won’t make it to 300k. Lol.
I mean most manufacturers recommend 30k km between oil changes
@@onelyone6976 18,641 miles between oil changes?!? Ghastly. Only if you hate your equipment, love down time and have money to burn.
@@fomoco300k I agree it's insane, should be at least half that, but I guess people don't understand the basics of oil services, and just want to service their vehicles as seldom as possible. And then there's those who panic over going 10k km on the same oil.
I guess why recommended service schedules are so far between is not because the oil is so good, but because the general population doesn't see servicing as important as it actually is, more like a 'necessary evil' that has to be done
Wait until you see the manufacturers intervals on a lot of new cars. 10-20k miles of engine and never for transmissions.
Excellent advice. My oil supplier promotes longer intervals with oil testing and I asked him why since shorter intervals will increase his sales. For him it is a selling point to differentiate his brand from other premium brands since big truck oil changes are not cheap. The brand has had success with customers having million mile engines with oil intervals determined by testing. I am on the side of oil is cheaper than rebuilds and the resulting downtime.
theres been a few times i changed out my oil n filter just out of boredom but its also peace of mind knowing that i didnt exceed the service interval + there is a few other things to check - fluid levels -tires -etc.......
I agree 100%. GDI turbo engines oil gets dirty very fast… 3000k full synthetic.
The Nissan recommended OCI for my 370Z is 3750 miles. In looking at several used oil analyses for my engine in 370Zs and G37s I noticed that the hot viscosity had degraded from a 5w30 initially to a 5w20, due to the high temperatures and pressures placed on the oil. This was occurring at about the 3k mile mark, and so that is my OCI.
I had an Amsoil dealer stop at my shop , He wanted me to stock his oil for my customers if they wanted it. I told him I had no problems with synthetic oils & used them in my own vehicles, I told him if I sold my customer a 20K oil that nothing else would be checked on said vehicle for 20K miles like brakes, tire pressures, steering & suspension components, etc.... nothing would get greased. A proper service is more than dropping the oil, spinning on a new filter & topping the oil up.
I know a person who changed the oil every 10,000 miles, and changed the filter every 2,000 miles. The car was a 1965 Chevy station wagon with a 327ci, with 350,000 miles.
How do you just change the filter without changing oil?🤔
@@AdamSmith-ps1ws The man was a taxi service in his personal car. For three years I serviced his car at the service station I worked at. Along with regular maintenance tuneup, brakes and stuff like that. That’s the way he wanted things done.
I think a lot of vehicle owners need to hear the things you said about OCI's. I look at it this way, it is my vehicle and I want to keep it in the best shape and reliable as possible. I don't need some yahoo at a service desk running me down for it and won't allow that to happen. I just bought a new Kia and with ill health it has to be reliable for that reason alone. Thank you for letting people know and help dispel the stigma of early oil changes.
Respect!!! As I'm watching this video, as I eat my lunch on my break. 100% agree been doing the 3k oil change past 20 years. None of the vehicles had burning oil and never has a oil leaks. Keep up the work Sir
I’m a fan of “early” changes.
Just got my new Tacoma.
First change was 500. Second was 1500. Third was 4000. Break in procedure I prefer.
Will be every 3-5k after.
Regardless of break-in procedure is true or a myth, you did the right thing. I just go by what they say, and yes usually right.
My Toyota dealership argued when i wanted the oil changed at LEAST every 5k, they insisted it was every other visit. Self change FTW!
I do the exact same with my stuff. Oil is cheap , modern engines are not.
@@derekp6636 My truck actually came with a complementary two-year 24 month change but they wanted me to wait to 10,000 miles for the first oil change. No thanks.
I follow the Toyota recommended intervals for my 2019 Tacoma. It rarely sees "severe" conditions. If I start using that way, I will still follow their recommendations of 5000 miles.
I'm comfortable with what the engineers designed. I also have a couple of good friends who are engineers for a large independent testing facility. They confirm that the manufacturer guidelines work as advertised.
All that said, I don't care if someone does it differently. I'm 62, and have never had a failed engine, transmission, differential, etc.
Inexpensive insurance by keeping the fluids clean insures a cars long life.
Not really, you're lowering the risk of one problem out of hundreds of others.
@@nodak81 Your comments here PROVE two things; you're an obnoxious "know it all," who doesn't really know MUCH ABOUT mechanical things, like internal combustion engines. Duly NOTED...
5000 miles on a late model Ford would be the recommended interval for severe duty. If you read Ford's definition of severe duty, you will find that most cars tend to fall under one or more of the severe duty definitions. So I agree 5000 miles is a good recommendation for the vast majority of the cars on the road. I also recommend using the best full synthetic oil you can, as those oils provide better protection at high operating temperatures. If you're running a turbo, synthetic is the way to go. I personally have always used Mobil 1 in the appropriate viscosity per the manufacturers specifications, there are other full synthetics that are fine as well. Mobil 1 is easy to find everywhere.
It's also mediocre nothing special about it and there's other oils that are much better that last quite a bit longer with better additives that protect better and that are just as cheap as mobile
Keep going! Waiting for ending results with MMO.
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I just ran 3,500 miles in less than 4 days and of course I swapped my oil after them two runs it's not excessive it's common sense.
Damn where did you go
Who you running from?
Amen!
Even highway miles can be brutal. I just changed the oil in my boosted ford truck after pulling a pair of boats from east Minnesota back to western Montana, 1200 miles with a steady 20 mph headwind turbo running all the time but for the steep downhills. 3500 mile oil change and the oil looked like a 10,000 mile change and the filter was pretty bad. Oh yeah conditions matter!
Im with the “3k miles” club. But I understand that not everybody wants to or can even afford every 3K miles. So I agree that 5K miles is a safe distance based on experience. That’s what we put on our stickers at my dealership.
Give yourself head room protection and use amsoil oe for a daily driver. Signature series for heavy duty use or track use
a lot of factors on oil change intervals: quality of oil, driving habits, idle time, dusty conditions, etc. We did oil sampling and testing on a lot of our fleet and then determined a happy medium. One size does not fit all. When you're running a fleet oil, labor, parts cost, and life cycle all factor in. For an individual who wants to keep a vehicle 100,000+ miles sooner is always better. The manufacturers recommendations and based on warranty and ideal conditions.
Yeah the middle of the best and worst is usually good. The air and oil filters are just as important. Reduces wear by a lot. Keeps the oil cleaner and there's less scuffing particles in the oil that scrape the engine up.
This is exactly what I was about to say. I check my oil weekly and check the color, odor (yes, how it smells), OLM and so on.
Exactly!……what he said.
But every manufacturer also lists a "severe service" schedule, so the intervals aren't based on perfect conditions.
The question for me is whether driving a few miles on a dirt road converts to severe service. I don't think so, but if that happens a lot then yes.
I sometimes toward small utility trailer. 1500 pounds every now and then (Tacoma with 6000 pound limit) doesn't scream severe to me. Towing my 5000 pound camper more than 100 miles changes that equation for my engine, tyranny, diffs, brakes, etc.
@@blakeberlin6295 If you read the "severe duty service" you'll find driving your car on the north American continent is "severe duty".
Just got my dream truck, 2019 F150 3.5 ecoboost king ranch, and I am not going over 3k for oil changes... I am not rich and paid a lot for this truck and I want to keep it a long time. 3k on the turbo is a must from everyone I have spoke to... love the channel, thanks!
There are so many variables. Buddy of mine had a 2002 BMW 3 series with the M54 engine. Followed the 15k oci. Lots of long country road commutes at 55-65mph. Was closing in on 300k when a deer totaled it out. Used 1.5liters per oil changed. On the total flip side. Dads 3.5 ecoboost sees lots of short trip and remote starts. Used oil analysis shows 3500 miles engine oils is pretty well used up. Use is the biggest factor with oil quality being next. The BMW 5w40 LL01 is a stout oil. Motorcraft blend is kinda weak. Especially for GTDI engines.
As an M54 x5 owner, its true. I could never go passed 5k miles, and I weigh way more than an e46 with an m54 and I use it off-roading and hauling so definitely needed at 5.
Ford Boss man totally agree with you on that, I have a ford edge st 2ltr eco, changed mine every 3000 0w30 oil))) 😉🇬🇧
It's even more important to the turbo charged engines.
I changed my oil every 7K miles on my 2013 V6 Honda Accord based on manufacturers spec. Currently have 167,000 MI and roughly getting about 26.8 miles to gallon at highway speeds of 80 mph
Using 0w-20 amsoil signature series with a premium filter also have a magnetic drain plug for any extra particles the filter may miss
The company I drive for changes the oil every 60-70k miles. Of course, it's a semi truck and it's 99% highway miles. Warranty says it has to be done every 80k. I think it should be done more often, but it's not my truck.
@@eternalspring1034 I agree, when I came into this industry, oil change was 30,000 miles tops. One company did it after 3600 gallons of fuel. But now I'm seeing more and more companies pushing the service intervals out, and then dumping the trucks at 500,000 miles.
Great advise here! My Toyota Tacoma requires oil and filter changes at every 10,000 miles. I do "stop and go" driving and tow a boat in the summer. I change my oil and filter every 5,000 miles. The oil and filters are much cheaper over time than a new or reman.engine.
I like your view. Compared to 2 years ago I hardly drive anymore but the oil still gets changed 3000 miles or 1 year whichever is sooner.
Ford Boss Me - You couldn't be more right with your take on oil changing frequency.
I used to have a 1998 Cadillac STS with a Northstar V8. I traded it in after 140k miles. I traded it on a Friday, the next day the Cadillac tech called me after he did a wet and dry compression test. He called to tell me he was shicked the engine was still registering full factory specs. I guess they see many of those engines worn to some extent from lack of oil changes. The tech asked me what I did to keep the engine in such good shape. I change the oil myself with full synthetic motor oil and AC/Delco oil filter. I changed the oil about every 5-6,000 miles. I didn't drive the car like a 90 yr old grandma but I didn't drive it like I stole it either. I figured what I had done with the oil changes was good. I didn't realize it was really good until that phone call. Needless to say, I have continued this maintenance schedule with all my other cars since than. I never have engine troubles (not that I had them before the Cadillac STS) But cars of 250 & 300 thousands miles are the norm. I had an 2007 Buick Rendezvous with 375k before I sold. Its not black magic nor rocket science. Its just common sense. Cheers
5000 miles in the last 5 years of engines is my recommendation for oil changes providing the engine is operated in the right conditions. If it is run at least 20 minutes every time it starts up 5000 miles is the limit on oil and the filter. Short drives regularly I recommend the 3000 mile change. If the vehicle sits more than it's driven change the oil every 6 months even if you haven't hit 3000 miles. Oil builds up water condensation in it over time. In 6 months of a vehicle sitting the oil will look clean but it will not perform it's duties as required by the specification given by the manufacturer. I've seen engines spin bearings with less than 30,000 miles because they sat more than they were driven and the owner just changed the oil at the 3000 mile recommendation while ignoring the 6 month recommendation. Time matters more the less the vehicle is operated.
Exactly, all kinds of corrosive stuff builds up when it rarely runs long enough to get hot for an extended period to burn it off.
Sitting idle is one of the worst conditions a piece of machinery/equipment can endure. Too many reasons to list here briefly, but anyone who knows will certainly know this is true.
Used motor oil turns acidic over time. 6 months is the max standard for any used oil to remain in an engine. That doesn’t even crack the door to water condensation, lack of moving lubricated parts through their processes under normal operating conditions, etc., etc.
water condensation will burn off in one drive cycle as long as its warmed up. Ive gone 2.5 years between oil changes, as I have two vehicles and rarely leave the house. I wouldnt even consider changing oil in both vehicles every 6 months, it would be like throwing money away. One has 102k miles and the other has 65K. They both are well maintained by myself (retired aircraft mechanic) and run flawlessly. I typically change oil between 6-8k. I drive with a heavy foot but neither is turbocharged, if they were I would do 5k
Anytime I have a automotive question your videos always pop up with good quality information. Appreciate you Rich!
This video is one of the best explanations on this topic. Thanks brother. Personally for myself, I'll run 5,000 miles on full synthetic high mileage formula on my 06 v8 explorer. As long as you get the proper filter and oil, I personally believe it works well overall. But like you said, everyones situation is different.
I’ve been changing my oil every 5,000 miles with a filter change and use synthetic oil for years. As you said, oil is cheap compared to an engine. Have a great weekend! 😀👍
I rather run 3k on my oils changes on my Jeep commander it’s a 5 thousand pound vehicle. On my Honda Fit I run 5k not as heavy, oil is not worked as hard. Also I run so called cheap oil super tech or Costco oil which ever one is on sale. I rather keep clean oil than run super expensive oil for an extended period of time. Never had and engine problem in any of cars I have owned.
That's crazy cause you have the best drive train Honda makes... ALL JAPAN.
..... i seen an 300k /400k miles on them..... so you just dont wana spend a few bucks more huh ??? Mind blowing
I believe the fit should last over a million miles ,
@@LoveLikeaHurricane , yea crazy huh... to bad wasn't a bit better looking but you can deffinetly get your money's worth
If you get the Full Synthetic oils they are ok but try to use a good quality oil filter because Super tech oil filters are not very good, maybe a Bosch Premium oil filter would be a good choice and it's not very expensive.
Aboutslutly correct. I'm a old man and only drive about 2000 miles per year. Mostly in town. Because of the additive packages break down, I change it every year. Mine is not by mileage but time.
I usually recommend changing the oil based on the amount of fuel used. I go by ~25 gallons per quart of oil capacity, including the filter. If your engine holds 5 quarts, I recommend changing oil after burning 125 gallons of gas. That way, if you're in a truck pulling a loaded trailer, you're running the engine much harder, than cruising smooth and easy in a sedan. That truck engine will benefit from more frequent oil changes, than the sedan, which can definitely go more miles between oil changes. (The sedan will get better gas mileage) When driving in the winter, oil becomes contaminated much more quickly, than in the warmer months. You will notice, your gas mileage isn't as good either. The more frequent oil changes due to reduced fuel efficiency compensates for the condensation of moisture and fuel dilution that comes with short trip driving in sub freezing temperatures. (Forget miles, forget hours)
For small engines, with no oil filter, I recommend no more than 10 gallons of fuel per quart of oil capacity. A small Briggs & Stratton lawnmower engine often holds much less than a quart of oil, so it's appropriate to change the oil after consuming 5 to 7-1/2 gallons of gas.
you gas mileage isnt as good in the winter because your air mixing with the fuel is more dense, thus supporting more fuel. It will also make more power
I grew up on the farm in the 50s and 60s. oil and grease are CHEAP. ruined equipment is expensive.
I change my oil twice a day. Three times on Sundays
your Motor is going to last for like 60 million miles
I’ll take the waste oil if you need to get rid of it.
@@FordBossMe when will that engine run? It's spends more time changing oil.. lol..
@@winch1587 as hes doing 1/8th mile and 1/4 Mile Passes
Vroom Vroom
@@FordBossMe Let's really discuss this. If an engine really had pure clean oil at all times how long would it last? I understand that oil testing gives answers to this, but I'm curious.
I ve got a Trailblazer with the 4.2 and usually go 4 months for a change where most times there's not even 3,000 on it or maybe a little more and the Pennzoil Ultra still looks and feels like I could do more. But like you said Rich oils cheap and engines aren't! Blessings to you for your great info and vids!
Absolutely perfectly said i 100 percent agree.
I had a shop teacher tell our class oil is the cheapest thing that you’ll ever put in your engine !! He was a very smart man !!!!
Teaching shop for 30 years and my grandfather built Indy cars... DITTO! great advise!!
In the old days, we used to do an oil change at 500 miles, and again at 1500 miles on a new engine, to get the initial break-in metal out of there. I know materials have gotten better, but it seems crazy to me that the manufactures recommend 5,000 miles for the first change.
Filters also get overlooked. People buy the cheapest filter that Autozone has. It is an extra $5 for a quality filter. I have been running Wix filters for 25 years. Never let me down.
I changed my new Maverick's oil at 1100 miles to call it a break in change. The oil had a big dose of UV dye in it! Is that normal for new Fords? How does that dye affect the oils' ability to lube hot turbo bearings? Overall, I felt glad to have some fresh synthetic in there after break in.
@@sydecarnutz972 the UV Dye is to inspect for leaks after hot testing at the assembly plant. Has no affect on lubrication qualities.
My mom had the oil changed in her '87 Lincoln Town Car every 2,000 miles. She had to have the oil pan replaced, because it rusted due to salted roads, I believe. When her repair facility pulled the pan to replace it, (it had a pin hole leak) there wasn't ANY sludge/gunk IN the bottom of it. It was like brand new inside. No buildup of gunk/sludge on the rocker arm assemblies EITHER, of course! LOL
I'll tell you what, I have a 20 year old truck. I have kept the oil changed. No more than 3k miles. It has 289k miles on it now and still trucking! Edit: I've done all my own maintenance.
Thanks a lot for talking about this topic, and for supporting us who don’t want to believe “lifetime transmission fluid” “10k OCI” that kind of thing.
I do a quality brand oil and a wix filter every 6 months or 6k. All 3 of my vehicles use the same filter, so I order them by the case on Amazon or Ebay
*They recomend 7k changes
100% agree !! I change oil soon as it discolors. G3 Coyote no oil loss between changees, no ticks, phasers are happy 3500 or once a year. 7k on my 3yr old 19 GT it's already had 5 oil changes.
early oil changes is the key to long engine life for any engine
Not in my experience. But I agree with the message ... my business is mine and yours is yours.
I usually change oil and filter every 5k miles. It works well for me, because it's a nice round number easy to remember, and that around that time, I need to add a quart and/or the oil has begun to turn dark amber in color.
Change as often as you want. No harm except maybe to your wallet. Late change is bad
A couple comments for you my friend. First, understand my career was as a journalist and I had people yelling at me all the time calling me a liar saying I didn't write the truth, I'm talking 30 years of this. Don't let it get to you when people leave their little snide comments. You're giving good advice on everything you're talking about, common sense advice. I can't believe people argue over how long to wait on oil changes. You're spending 20 or 30 or $40,000 on a car and you don't want to spend 30 or 40 bucks for an oil change, that's crazy. Keep up the very good work I appreciate all your videos.
Yeah I bought a 2020 mustang Gt changing at 1000 then every 3000 it had 7 miles on it when I bought only 700 on it now I’ll change the oil sooner then recommend you pay $55,000 for a vehicle you want to keep it nice
Also that 5w20 recommendation is crap. Use 5w30. Ford approves up to a 5w50 for track use.
@@slscamg it's better than 0w16 🤣 but I agree I love 5W30
I changed my new GTI's oil at 1000 miles and doing 3000 miles from now on. Turbochargers are hell on oil. I've seen turbo GDI engines that do 10,000 mile OCI's. The oil is like diesel oil and smells awful.
Been doing 10-12k km for over a decade. I used to get my oil tested when I had a buddy who worked at the cat dealer, cheap synthetic would always come back with a safe TBN.
Some engines beat the crap out of oil,most don't. For most people 5k miles is safe,because they never check it and that decreases the odds of them driving with no oil.
If you get that testing done from Blackstone,get the TBN test. TBN is a good indicator of usable life
Haha, Engine vs. motor crowd is easily triggered like the magazine vs clip guys!
Spoilers vs airbrake
Spoilers destroy lift on a glider, airbrakes slow trucks.
@@u2mister17 Ever fly a King Air? Ice vanes vs inertia separator
How about cement vs. concrete?
My coworkers (I work at an HET shop) make fun of me for doing conventional oil changes every 3000 miles. I always laugh at them
AMS Oil synthetic every 4500 miles 2003 4 runner with 233K miles original.
Coastal weather. A farm supply truck only gets warmed up every few days. Biannual oil and filter change. I am building an oil filter/ reclaim system to run the golden used oil for a 100 hour generator run time. The cost of 24 hour runs and changes is getting costly. I hope it is ok to use it again in an old 2 cycle honda gen. I plan to boost it with 50/50 fresh same name brand oil.
Especially with these variable timing engines with long chains and phasers, and of course complex valve trains, early/ frequent is what keeps these engines running a long time.
This! This! This!
People don't understand how quickly those systems go to shit. And how costly it can be. Oil is cheap and it keeps variable timed engines clean and happy the sooner it's changed
Gm 3.6 HF aka LFX v6 needs some early oil changes due to design flaws.
Yup everyone on the Tundra page bitching about Chain slap and ticking sounds from the vvt and they change their oil every 10k miles ..... i mean shit will eventualy clog and fuck up
I agree with that. After seeing MANY class 8 Diesel engines worn out well before they should be due to greedy companies running insane oci’s with no oil analysis ever being done, my experienced opinion is stick to cautionary oci’s. If you want to go longer, have your oil tested at your normal change mileage. Find out the facts instead of opinions. There are oils that are totally depleted at 3500 miles, and there are oils that test good (still serviceable) at 15000 miles. When you start pushing the mileage on an oil, know that every engine is different. Some have hardly any blow by, some have high fuel dilution, and some are just bad designs. There are engines that burn oil no matter what you do, like the Jeep 3.8L. The harmonics in that engine cause excessive ring rotation that leads to reign gaps lining up and oil passes into the combustion chamber. The only fix for that engine is a precision balance job and quality rings, or to just swap the rings to gapless rings. Engines that run high oil temps bake off additives. Engines that use the oil like hydraulic fluid, such as some power strokes & Cat engines, do a massive amount of sheering to the oil which breaks down the oil faster. Knowledge always trumps assumptions. Get your oil tested if you want to be certain.
Bought a new atv back in 2013, manufacture recommended 1st oil change at 100 miles which I was happy to do... dealer told me no! I went to another dealer bought the oil and filter and did it myself and when I went in for the " 1st" oil change at my dealer recommended 500 miles they told me they had never seen such break in oil lol. Still have that machine and it does not burn s drop of oil..
There is more to scheduled oil changes than mileage alone. Vehicles that a driven in stop and go traffic, ten minute trips to the grocery store, long idling at low RPM, vehicles stored and run fifteen to thirty minutes, low speed commutes, etc. Is not the same for vehicles that are taken on two or more hour trips where they run at two thousand RPM or so for hours at a time. Moisture is the biggest demon to oil, it depletes detergents, and inhibitors in the oil and creates sludge. Hot engines do not accumulate a lot of moisture as a rule. Engine oil does not wear out, it gets dirty. Good filtration is the key, filtering out the depleted detergents and inhibitors. City stop and go vehicles require a shorter oil change interval, highway vehicles that are primarily driven on the highway can have longer oil change intervals moisture. This is my opinion. I drive a 15 F150 5.0 engine and change the oil every 75k miles, as you are aware it has an eight quart capacity, and your Dodge has a five quart capacity, and this makes a big difference as well.
A very smart man told me a long time ago, he said, “You can never over change your engine oil”. I never forgot that. I go 3,000 miles and sometimes sooner if my car was driven in really harsh weather conditions. It’s not excessive, it’s good insurance for my engines. The only engine oil I would consider maybe going over 5,000 miles might be Amsoil, but I know it would bother me so it would get dumped!
My 2013 F150 Ecoboost gets driven 3000 miles a year and I change it with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum twice a year so every 1500 miles.
The shop I take my vehicles to for most vehicle work always recommends 3k intervals every time they change the oil. I find it interesting people choose to believe everything they hear on the internet about oil and change intervals. Remember: Abraham Lincoln HIMSELF said this: Don't believe everything you hear/see on the internet just because someone "important" says it.
Oh wow, that's awesome! HE also said:
“There are no bad RIFFS; that's just how your face looks sometimes.”
― Abraham Lincoln
97% of oil changers agree.
Of course they do. Why do you think that is? They want your car sooner so they can find something wrong that they can charge you for,
@@nickv4073 In my opinion, if these mechanics "find" something wrong, it's usually because there IS something wrong. I understand if you've had bad experiences in the past, but I've dealt with these guys for a while now, and if I think that a repair is unnecessary, I just ask them not to do it. And, (in my humble opinion) any shop that recommends oil changes at shorter intervals like 3-5k usually knows just how engines should be treated. Would you trust a shop that recommends 10k+ oil changes? I wouldn't. I wouldn't even bring my 200$ beater car to a place like that.
@Ford Boss Me If you wanna weigh in with an opinion, feel free. I'm curious to know what you think about independent shops with shorter oil change interval recommendations, and if you think it's all a scheme to get more money. :)
In pre-1984 HD Big Twins S&S Cycle recommended oil changes every 1,000 miles under all conditions. Of course, the oil circulated through both the engine and the primary drive meaning clutch material contaminated it. After 25,000 miles I still saw hone marks on my '79 FXS. Changing oil is a lot easier than changing pistons.
Seeing the whole oil debate just tickles me. I hear some say once a year is all you need. Then I hear 7,500 miles, and so on.
People have no issues with financing a vehicle for 84 months at 750.00 a month. But paying for that oil change every 3,000 miles? Oh hell naw! They are ripping me off 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The oil is the shield that protects the engine. No one has had an engine fail because of excessive oil changes.
Exactly. Since I'm a self employed consultant, I will occasionally use my Focus for business. So I track every km and every penny that goes into it. A spreadsheet makes it so easy you don't even have to think about it.
The only way a car "pays" for itself is if you keep it until the doors fall off, or until a catastrophic failure that exceeds what the car is worth at that point.
I routinely encounter people who refuse to change oil because it "costs too much," but they idle in line at Timmies to get a Double Double and a donut every effing day. $3-5 bucks every day. They can "justify" a cardboard cup of schitt coffee and a high fructose corn syrup thing to eat, but they can't budget a dollar and change a day for routine upkeep.
Ever seen 2-3 year old SUV's, pickup trucks or whatever with bald tires? As in they look like racing slicks? They can "afford" a $750 a month payment, but can't budget $2 a day for the inevitable tire replacement
Change that damm oil fool..... who said that?
It costs me around $20 Canadian to change the oil in my Ford Flex. That's with name brand quality oil. It's far cheaper than having to spend more money than I have to have to repair my engine. I want to keep that vehicle as long as possible and changing the oil at 3000 miles is going to help that to happen. Pretty cheap insurance if you ask me.
What type of oil are you using?
@@davidhoulden5791 usually Castrol is what I pick up because it's what's usually on sale. Seems to work well enough. The engine is smooth and quiet, I can't ask for more than that. It has more than 100k miles on it
If your oil resembles jello or caviar you need to change it more often 😜
Thanks for sharing Rich. Let’s hope people listen.
Turbo: 3000 miles N/A: 5000miles or at least yearly. It's worked! Edit: Socal weather, no humidity and decent temps all year.
Many owners manuals have a oil change chart , it usual has something like normal driving and extreme driving conditions . Many years ago when folks actually did read the owner's manual I had so many people asking me about the difference that I would ask them have you driven your car / truck since the last oil change and if the owner answered yes then I would tell them that they fall under the extreme driving conditions . Most would have a puzzle look on their face so I would explain about how the additive package would start to deteriorate every time the engine was started and the unit driven . I also live in an area of the country that has lots of steep hills to drive on , so that with the summer heat or winter's cold come under the extreme heading . Then we can add into the mix of commercial units that have long idle times with the engine running when it's 105 degrees or 20 degrees and of course the ones that stop and restart many times everyday . Pull anything , drive in stop and go traffic , high speed driving , and so many other circumstances all make for extreme driving conditions . So for over 40 years I've always recommended oil changes between #k and 4K miles , I also have been recommending factory oil filters and BOTTLED oil . I can say that after my 50 + year carrier oils have improved to the point that people think they can drive forever and never change the oil . I've seen every kind of oil and additive from straight weight non detergent to what we have today's gf6 . Most are ? were good , some were great , and many were terrible . Yup I've replace many a engine with less that 25 k because of lack of service , all makes and models , Really enjoy your videos keep up the good work ! And sorry to hog your page .
I change my oil every 2000 miles, EVERY 2000 MILES! Oil can never be "too clean", people change your oil.
I have been a Master Tech and Hot rodder for a long time! This guy knows his Shit! Listen and learn!
bet not buy amsoil, they bench long changes. Me every 5k 100% synthetic 5w-30 winter, 10w-30 summer, 3.5 tt, 2-3 months with filter.
I drive a company vehicle, but I have a 2018 diesel that I use for hauling the toys. The recommended oil change interval is 15000 miles. Even though the truck doesn't see a lot of use, I go about 5000 between changes. With the emissions on these trucks I can't see how they can recommend that far on an oil change. The oil is black right after it's changed. Might go further with a bypass filter but not without.
$30 DIY oil change beats a $3k engine swap. And in my case, low mileage 2V 5.4's are getting hard to find locally.
Yes because they are where they belong. Being used as a boat anchor.
Anybody try using an older 5.4 from a 1st gen navigator
Where I work we recommend 5,000 miles/1 year on synthetic-blend, and 7,500 miles/1 year on full-synthetic as the general rule of thumb. Most of the vehicles we work on hold 7-11 quarts and have factory recommended service intervals ranging from 10,000-18,000miles and 1-2years. We cut our recommended oil change intervals down if we're working on vehicles with low oil capacities, or know issues such as excessive oil consumption or fuel dilution problems.
First sentence, not a bad rule of thumb. Thumbs up.
If you dislike this video I hope you spin bearing amen 🙏🏻
Some people believe the oil manufacturers that are touting 10,15 even 20k oil change intervals. A ton of people don’t check their oil let alone any other fluids and if you do go that far you may be running low or out of oil by the time you hit that mileage. Not to mention an oil change at least where I work isn’t just an oil change it’s a complete inspection. Very often we’re finding legitimate safety concerns and required preventative maintenance at the 3-5k intervals. In my experience customers vehicles that go farther than that are behind on maintenance and bigger problems and or a dangerous vehicle is the result.
I do 5k on my wife's 05 sportage v6 and 6-7k on my 03 Corolla. Synthetic in both of em. If I had a turbo GDI vehicle I would definitely take your advice and do 3k maybe 3500.
GDI fouls the oil so quickly
GDIs are annoying the soot, the clattery injectors for what 2 mpg ,lol
Well said, spot on! We changed our oil in our rally car after ever race.
Been spinning wrenches over 35 years. My passion. I deal with when things go wrong.
We see what goes wrong. Also, we care for our customers, they are also our friends. I don't want to take your money frivolously, I understand.
For my own machines, I take care of them. I do maintenance far ahead if schedule. I must spend my time taking care of my friends, not my own problems.
It's that simple. Preventative maintenance is key.
I've put 33'000 miles on my car this past year. I've changed the oil six times. I check it regularly. Its enough.
Just always check your oil. Any long trip, or if its been a while. Check. It takes one minute and it could save you an engine.
Amigo ! I totally agree with everything you said, thank you !
Had a few BMW's once.. The "M" one called for All the fluids underneath to be changed at 1,200 miles, on BMW'S dime... They did it all and said their engines, etc., last longer with this early oil change... Back then, 1 quart of their recommended oil was around $15.00 I believe... I finally sold this 2002 BMW M Coupe 6-speed, and the people who bought it, drove from Seattle, WA to Minneapolis, Minn in a little over 24 hours... They never drove slower than 100+ the whole way... The car ran great and had no problems...
When you start getting test results from the lab you will find out how long your interval can be. Depends on car, engine, use, etc.
I only do test results for metal content I do not do test results to let me know how or when I should be changing my oil I don't believe in that with the amount of brand new engines I've taken apart I'm never going to go buy that for oil change intervals and it's silly to go by that