Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania vs. Original - SMB1 Master Comparison
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- Thanks to SEGA for providing me with a code to play Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania ahead of release. I wasn't planning on making a video about this game, but I thought people might be interested in a 2001 vs. 2021 comparison of Super Monkey Ball's most iconic floors.
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I played with the old Aiai model, but kept the new music enabled. A lot of the SMB1 Master floors seemed to have been made easier in this game. For example, M03 has bigger platforms, M05 and M08 are much slower, M09 has much thicker wires and M10 has the goal in a much easier position. The original versions of these floors are available to play, but need to be unlocked first.
Just to be clear, the original game does run at 60fps like Banana Mania. My capture card can only capture at 30fps, which is why it is at 30 in the video. Normally it looks fine, but it's quite noticeable when directly contrasted with 60fps gameplay.
I personally have mixed feelings about this game from what I've played so far. I really like the graphical upgrades and the aesthetic of the game, as well as some of the new game modes such as Dark Banana Mode. Unfortunately, I don't like the feel of the control at all. Diagonal movements do nothing speed-wise, unlike the first game and the camera is absolutely abhorrent. The combination of these two make certain floors way harder than they should be. E18 for example felt impossible to beat without abusing some weird camera movement. Fingers crossed this gets fixed in future patches, otherwise I fear for the future of this game.
Timestamps:
00:00 - M01 Wave Master
01:14 - M02 Fan Master
02:22 - M03 Stamina Master
04:02 - M04 Spring Master
06:02 - M05 Dance Master
06:40 - M06 Roll Master
07:54 - M07 Edge Master
09:01 - M08 Dodge Master
09:41 - M09 Bridge Master
11:38 - M10 Monkey Master - เกม
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If you have any questions about the game, feel free to ask in the comments! :)
can’t you just completely cheese these stages with the jump? Master 9 is an absolute joke if you use jumps
@@pinksheep752 Yeah, you can. The jump feature is unlockable and can be enabled / disabled at any time in options, so it's your choice if you want to use it or not. In the competitive time attack modes jumping is permanently disabled.
Can you skip all of M9 by jumping?
@@Maxxieuguu Yep!
@@Goober13md sick
I don’t think I like how most of the Banana Mania Master stages no longer face the Banana Shrine.. It looks so plain looking out into nothing. :(
Yeah. It definitely felt like you were slowly but surely reaching your way to the Banana Sanctuary.
@@glacierwolf2155not to mention the music. Banana Mania sounds like what you’d hear in a dance club. Meanwhile the classic music is so mysterious. Like you’ve reached the gates of heaven.
I miss the old music and the particle effects on the ball.
You have to get the old music as dlc unfortunately
@@scottrobinson6719 well at least its available i guess
Gamecube is better than the switch
They really nerfed Fan Masters aesthetic
And dance master doesn't have the Dole logo on it or the rest of the bananas, it's not that big a problem to me but still though.
@@sonicANDtailsfan157k There's nothing they could've legally done about that. Dole was on the bananas back then because the game was sponsored and it's not anymore so they legally cannot include the Dole logo.
NO! NOT THE RAINBOW!
@@aijsdijdni3401 I mean, adding a logoless ribbon or stiker was enough
Wow this is a perfect representation of the SOUL vs SOULLESS meme...
Never seen anyone do master levels the intended way lol
Also Banana Mania looks a lot easier than the originals
Sometimes i'ts easier, but there are times where it gets more difficult due to it's less tight turning
@@Sperx not to mention if you want to they have the og level formats as an option for extra pain
In Master Level 3 they made the spiral a bit steeper in banana mania for people not to exploit it.
Yep. And they made Arthropod VERY generous this time around.
@@Juanhernandez-zx7ktIt's still exploitable.
It's not the same without the Dole logo...
coo! dole!
The originals sound design and mixing are way better. Jeez
I miss the reflective look to the stages or how some stages had lines that would glow.
Something weird I noticed was how small the classic character skins look compared to the ball.
One thing that super bothers me is that the countdown timer is silent in the new game. That count down is so aesthetic.
Highly disagree. I always found the old timer noise annoying and obnoxious, so glad it's gone.
@@bprocrast I agree. It feels like something that you would get used to if you played the game a lot, but since I haven't, the constant ticking is very noticeable.
@Steve Dave After listening to both osts I would say I like the new one better. The underwater area and the washing machine area in the story mode are songs in the remake that I especially like. I generally think the game looks better for the most part and I like all of the new game modes. Most of the levels that they made easier have the original harder versions also in the game (unless if you're really upset that the goal was moved in monkey master, then there's nothing that can be done) so it isn't really a huge issue.
I liked it because it added to the pressure and made the game even more challenging and tense than it already was
Really?? Having only played banana manía, the old timer sounds so annoying hahaha
Need a petition to fix the responsiveness, the physics sucks compared to GameCube
Agreed, the ball is too slide-y and smooth. It makes levels like Conical Slider and Stamina Master harder to do with the added speed, I keep flinging myself off the slides.
That's because Sega lost the source code of the game, so the studio actually made the physics from scratch (it's really noticeable in one of the minigames, I forgot which one tho).
@@netako then they shouldn’t have release this till it’s ready 🤦🏿♂️
@@netako Rolled Out pretty much perfectly recreated the feel of the original two Super Monkey Ball games with a small team on a small budget. So, it isn't like Sega couldn't replicate the physics, they chose not to and were fine with the bare minimum of just functional, which is pretty sad and misunderstands the appeal of the original games completely.
Gamecube is better than the switch
Man, it's so sad how they made Master levels even easier, they throw away the concept of a Master level imo
The worst ones are the dole and dodge master levels, they really slowed them down and it seems so meh now.
Not to mention how the reflect was removed too...
Aw man I miss 2000s dude’s voice. They shoulda brought him back
He was fired because he leaked the game way back. NDA.
Brian Matt has a rough relationship with Sega. I don't think they want to hire him anymore.
only sega has the power to make a game look WORSE than a 20 year old game
@@awesomenate3058 no
Garbage new remake
@@awesomenate3058 Nothing do do with style, there's no reflections and the lighting is trash. I actually prefer the new character designs to the old ones and I still think this game looks worse in every way in a technical sense vs the original.
Shitty modern gaming for you
Well it was made with unity
I hate the new sound effects
Never seen anyone beat Stamina master normally
i did earlier. took a couple hours, though...
@@_night_owo and you get a pat on the back
@@wagons3823 😌
A few nit picks about the re master : the floor isn’t reflective/shiny enough in certain stages, I feel like the monkey is the one moving the ball, not the monkey trying to keep up with the moving ball because the stage is tilting them (i.e. when they start flipping all around the ball), the controls and accuracy aren’t even close to being the same, I don’t like how you phase through the stage instead of colliding with parts of the stage you already completed, I don’t like how you can’t see the next stage above you, I don’t like the absent ticking timer, and I HATE how the original OST is behind a paywall (still payed for it), no multiplayer in the main game?? Forreal?? Also Monkey Target is ass now. That’s all. Very grateful they chose to bring back the OG 2 games but hopefully they can make some changes with patches down the road. I’ve been a big fan of MB since I was a kid so yunno, I hold it to a high standard, especially since they messed the newer games up pretty bad.
I'm so mad about how they butchered monkey target. I'm a casual, so I don't really notice most other changes, (plus I haven't played deluxe since like 2011ish bc my disc doesn't work anymore :( ) but monkey target was my favorite party game as a kid and it was immediately noticable how bad the physics were.
M1- Platforms move slower than before.
M2- No Rainbow platforms. other than that, no further changes.
M3- Moving platforms are wider
M4- Rolling platform starts out extended and is fully recoiled once the player is in rather than having already start to extend when the player spawns.
M5- No DOLE Logo. Other than that, no significant changes.
M6- Playable area is smaller and moves faster
M7- Starts facing goal up and turns before the player spawns so new players are aware which direction it turns. Maybe turn speed increased, but could be wrong.
M8- Fewer moving blocks and blocks' speeds are reduced. Blocks are maybe wider (correct if wrong).
M9- No real significant changes other than the connecting points are a little darker.
M10- Goal placement is between the eyes rather than the top of his hair.
Feel free to add or correct me if there is anything else.
M03 also has fewer moving platforms, M05 is a lot slower in the new game and M09 is definitely much wider.
Why does it look like cheap plastic
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The ball shadow in Banana Mania is missing on reflective surfaces. That looks like a bug.
I remember your top 10 hardest monkey ball stages 7 years ago I think it was! You’re a legend for still making monkey ball content
Thanks! I'm still not bored of this game yet... :)
Why did they choose to get rid of the rainbow colours for fan master?! Like, what is the point 🤦🏻♂️
Probably so they could copy and paste the same platform over and over
Ugh that bomb timer was iconic 🙄 they took it out 😭
Ikr! I was so mad when they decided to take it out in the SECOND GAME like wtf people
The old music is way better!
Smh they moved the goal post on Monkey master
Never thought a 2021 game could look worse than a 2001 game.
Just played on all worlds/environments, this is the one that got a downgrade... The rest of areas look better. (my fav in fact is Sky High - colors are *cheff kiss*)
@@_SereneMango After playing a bunch of the game and seeing every world, I do agree that plenty look better. On of my favorites is the Amusement Park. Just superb use of vibrant colors.
What happened to Dodge Master???? Seems like a Beginner stage now...
Minor gripe with the classic characters, their capsules should have been green like how Sonic has a blue capsule and Tails has a yellow one. Missed opportunity, but oh well
the music is significantly worse
I definitely miss the colors on Fan Master. No clue why they downgraded that. However I am a huge fan of the new music.
As someone who was very decent at smb1 and 2, I'm glad you don't get lives and continues anymore because the physics and controls in the new one are....off. I'm somehow struggling in advance mode.
From one veteran to another, I’ve found that it’s because of the very floaty controls, it just doesn’t feel as responsive as on the Gamecube. I struggled to high hell on Exam-A of all stages, because of the very awkward controls
@@certifiedgamer3009 surprisingly, this isn't much of a problem in smb2. It's much noticeable in smb1 since a lot of the levels require very precise precision
@@Migs19991 Agreed. Currently trying to find some way to beat Exam-C.
I was so pissed when I found out that they we're getting rid of lives in Banana Mania. It felt like they got rid of any incentive to get better at the game in order to unlock the Master Stages. I have 100% completed both SMB and SMB2 recently in preparation for this new game. After playing the SMB beginner stages on Banana Mania and falling off Exam-A 15 times, I finally understood why getting rid of lives was an absolute necessity. The controls are so floaty and you constantly have to fight with the camera. I know it's a hot take, but even the botched Playstation 2 port of Super Monkey Ball Deluxe which has terrible controls and only runs at 30fps feels more responsive than Banana Mania.
Right? For me I think I've realized what it is. In the Originals even if you nudge the analogue stick a little bit, Aiai will still move in that direction immediately. For a beginner it can make the game feel twitchy, however it's responsive in that manner for you to be able to maneuver over the very thin strips.
In Banana Mania, if you Nudge the analogue stick a tiny bit Aiai no longer moves in that direction only the camera until you hold further on the stick. It doesn't allow the micro corrections of the original and makes levels like Exam C a complete ball ache to play through.
I thought graphics were supposed to get better over time?
Right?
R2 we need to be going up not down
Why does aiai sound dead inside in the remake (only really applies when he clears a stage but still weird)
YAh0!! yAh0!
someone get him some banana flavoured throat sweets, poor man has a sore throat
@@miscellaneoof porb the voice actor throat was sore
@@near5148 the voice actor would not voice a line if their voice wasn’t up to it, probably just a line that could’ve done with another take
Ikr. Tbh all the voice actors suck in the game. Like they don't sound like they're about to fall off something, they sound like they're either having a seizure, or speaking a different language
Also. You deserve to go in the monkey ball hall of fame. (you know why)
I've been switching between camera sensitivities depending on the level. Enabling or disabling lol
I hate the new music
And once again i am now addicted to a channel i just found
Literally everything about the original is better than the 'remake' except for the resolution.
I suppose stuff like the different artstyle, music, and voices are technically subjective, but it's factual that the controls, physics, missing sound effects, and missing graphical effects are all objectively inferior in the remake.
Damn shame. Not sure why they had to do a ground-up remake and just make it worse. Wouldn't a simple HD remaster of SMBDX have been easier to do? It's not like they couldn't have just added the newer features to it still - unless they lost the source code or something.
Either way, the biggest shame is that now we'll certainly never get a true remaster of the original games.
Wow, Dance Master and Dodge Master were *heavily* nerfed... Not sure how I feel about that tbh.
The original versions of Dance and Dodge Master are in Banana Mania under Original Stage mode.
I agree. They should have nerfed them but it was too much. Same with Air Hockey
The sound effects are terrible compared to the original.
How long did it take you to adjust to the way the new game controls? I am STRUGGLE BUSSIN' with how the new game controls, especially on narrow paths and tight corners and the camera change. It's so hard to adapt to the new game and forget my muscle memory lol
I have no issue with it. I think it is almost equal to the original. Kinda.
I have a question is banana mania an HD remaster or remake from the ground up
I’m so upset that this is just a remake not labeled as such :/ I miss the original game so much
It is heavily labelled as a remake in the marketing
@@twinkpeaks9993 I haven’t seen any of the marketing for it, I just saw it in stores & got it. Thank you for letting me know. 😊
@@istoleyoureyeliner10 monkey target - was destroyed :(
@@barnard667 YES. ITS TERRIBLE NOW. it was my fav game on the GameCube version & in this one I can’t even make it to the first target
The camera in Stamina Master's spiral section is pure distilled essence of arse
Not sure why they felt the need to make master mode easier when they already have infinite lives :/ i like the change of not having lives since it encourages experimentation, but now that they made the levels easier it makes it feel sorta worthless. I was excited because i thought hey, i can finally do master without getting sent back to the very start of expert a hundred times, but now it's like i rather just save state on the original to get the real experience.
They probably made Master easier because the controls and camera suck!
Technically, as long as you unlocked infinite continues in SMB1 before reaching master you’d effectively have infinite lives there too.
are you able to use continues in extra and master while infinite lives is active?
You would not believe how mad I got playing Master 3 (Stamina Master) in Banana Mania when I did everything perfectly _right_ up until I missed the goal riding on the green slide because the camera wasn't pointing towards the goal and I couldn't see where it was until it was already too late
I was flabbergasted by how easy I found bridge master to be. Even on the original stage mode I beat it on my first try by doing skips. Maybe I should replay the GameCube version to see if I can do it consistently there too...
I wish they used the original music, can't win them all though:(
There's a DLC pack that reinstates the original music.
@@ryanschwartz4959 thank god, don't get me wrong, the new music is decent! But the old is too iconic!
The problem is they didn’t have the licensing to the original.
@@Juanhernandez-zx7kt Then how did they do DLC?
The artic theme in smb1 in banana mania is so good in my opinion
i love the monkey voice...so cute!!!
I honestly find it absurdly difficult to get up the stamina masters ramp in mania, how tf did you do it so easily
In my opinion, it is kinda easy (I am not a speedrunner)
@@thesupervideogamenerdmore3171 neither am I but I can't even get two inches up that ramp before falling.
@@MightyReeN What you do is you line the camera perfectly and then just go for it with little thinking and very slight left and right and as soon as you reach the peak and start falling down, slow down.
It's the goal shortcut I struggle with.
first person ive ever seen to beat Stamina master in the intended way lol
Wave Master: Bricks hitting each other with their fronts and backs
Fan master: RAINBOW STAIRCASE :D (not in its remake tho)
Stamina master: A thin mountain-shaped fence, Followed by a bunch of moving squares and then a vine spiral
Spring master: The red carpet of victory… SORRY BRO YOU STILL GOT 6 MORE
Dance master: Every monkey chillin until the dole logo splits into pieces and moves around a lot
Roll master: Ballception
Edge master: Hollow chunk of plastic that is rotating on poles I guess
Dodge master: Dodgeball but with rainbow poles that slide along the ground, wait isn’t this air hockey?
Balance master: AS SLOW AS POSSIBLE
Monkey master: monke floor
Kinda disappointed they moved the goal in monkey master
1- the game feels on drugs on mania (I mean, even more)
2- Why is the music diferent? That eco and seriousness was what gave he game that feel.
3- They changed the Legendary banana sound
4- Yoohooo? They were suppoused to laugh in happiness after beating the monstruosities they complete
Damn, rip Fan Master’s rainbow
Is it just me or is the Banana Mania version of these stages (especially Dance, Dodge, Stamina & Bridge Master) easier?
No they are
@@Grumpyskater OK, I'm not crazy.
Not quite? The stages aren't any harder, it's that you're just WAY faster in the remake. I think the devs talked about it, where with the increased tilt distance, you're about 20% faster?
Would you recommend buying banana mania or the og smb games first? I have a wii so I can play gc games, I just wondered which one would be a better experience overall for a beginner
I would personally start on the originals. Much cheaper and if you like them you can but Banana Mania later. Plus it's always nice to be able to say that Super Monkey Ball (2001) was your first Super Monkey Ball game. If you do play them on your Wii I highly recommend using component video cables (green, red, blue) if you are not already since it makes the games look significantly better. Monkey Ball 2 even runs in 480p and Widescreen, which helps it look surprisingly good 19 years later.
Banana mania seems more geared beginners
As much as I love the OG SMB1&2, I'd almost suggest BM because of the accessibility options. I to this day have still never made it to Master stages in SMB1 because beating all expert stages without a continue is beyond ridiculous.
If you care more about convenience, graphics and additional features then Banana Mania is the way to go. I think the game looks great and has some really fun extra game modes. It's also nice having SMB1, 2 and DX floors all in one place that isn't SMBDX, because the game sucks! A lot of hard levels from the original games were made easier in Banana Mania and lives / continues were removed entirely. It's definitely the go-to if you just care about beating all the levels without needing to get better at the game to be able to reach the later levels first.
Just PLEASE bear in mind that Banana Mania does not play or control like the original games! In my opinion it controls very poorly comparatively, so don't let this smear your impression of what the original two games play like.
As someone who has played both, I'd take SMB1&2 over Banana Mania any day of the week.
I would recommend the og games. They offer a good balance between easy and hard, and the controls are flawless with no flaws that I remember. If I ever messed up, I never blamed the game controls. You will love the og games.
Nerfing the master floors is kinda lame when the player already has infinite lives even with the fact they still exist in their unnerfed form. Now some of the master levels are just easy. Also was diagonals being faster even intended in the og games are just a weird quirk of the og game’s physics engine?
Hey man, your vids are awesome and I hope you get back into uploading some time. Cheers.
Is it just me or aiai on smbbm floating
All they had to do was remaster them
I just don't get it
It's not awful or anything
Just, why?
Because remaking the game in Unity and trying to emulate the original physics was easier than fully recreating the old games’ physics/graphics engine
@@krystiandoss5956 yeah but easier than that is just remastering the originals visuals and leaving it there
@@twincherries6698 there's a pretty good chance that they just don't have the original game files and code anymore. It was pretty common practice to just delete game files once that game was released because hard drive space was expensive as hell for way less space than is available today. They needed the space to develop the next game.
Like for example, I remember buying a mid range 32 MB (yes, MB not GB) thumb drive in like 2004 or 2005 for 60 bucks, and the original monkey ball games were even older than that.
It happened to the original Kingdom Hearts and Okami, which is why the Wii version of the latter is really wonky as they has to recreate a ton of stuff.
What levels of Super Monkey Ball 1 & 2 and Super Monkey Ball: Touch & Roll comparison
is just me or is the remaster actually worse than the original somehow
Why Monkey Master its even easier in the new one? what the hell???
No more rainbow in Fan Master Remake
The carpet one is call spring? And for the Dodge Master, why not Crayon?
They change the goal post position in Monkey Master Remake.
I hate the music in the remake
it breaks my heart to say that the remake feels really lazily made, it just doesn't look or feel right
They actually remade most assets, so it definitely wasn't lazily made. But I get what you mean
It's the engine, I miss the arcade feel
Yep, all the levels just seem so lifeless and bland
Don't appreciate the fact that Sega nerfed the music 🙄
Buy the original music DLC
95% of these comments are all trashing on Banana Mania's master floors, the looks, the voices, the sound effects, the music & everything else. Like come on. Leave the game alone!
I prefer the classic music. New music is too much. And why are you no longer facing the shrine when you start the stage? Master in the original has such a perfect atmosphere.
10:00
Can you play as classic Yan Yan? I wanna see her cute self. :)
Yes. Same for Doctor
The aesthetic tho
Old one all the way
Tha games looks easier than the original imo
A lot of the Master floors were significantly nerfed.
The original games were so much better just download the dolphin emulator and play them screw this remake garbage
I was thinking “woah this game looks awful, but thats probably just my dumbass nitpicky brain” and them i read the comments and was like “oh okay nevermind lmao” the lack of shadows, reflections, and the absolute mass amount of brightness really makes the game look like ass. Also someone said this game was made in unity, which ive used unity and can confirm adding reflections is fucking annoying, but cmon its not impossible.
Dodge master got nerfed so hard wow
So did dance master. Literally there's just an easy set path you need to do and you'll be fine
I never got to master on SMB1. but now I really want to.
Definitely worth the effort. One of the most rewarding feelings I've ever had with a game was when I first reached and beat Master.
don’t forget you can do the glitch in Expert to skip straight to Expert Extra, then you can complete Expert Extra and go straight to Master
@@pinksheep752 That's cheating don't do it!!!
@@pinksheep752 Not even with the wrong warp can I get to master
@@Goober13md sounds like it.
Why not just sell the original games again instead of releasing inferior stuff? Shit I would even buy deluxe on Xbox Live.
Goddamn the people making the remake are so lazy and tasteless. The original has excellent sound design and the graphics are so polished with the reflective surfaces and better animations.
The remake is just so lazy with its sloppy physics and undercooked graphics. The music is so horrid and tasteless compared to the original.
Why are they so allergic to just not making everything in the generic banana blitz style? NOBODY WANTS IT
True words.
Its obvious the game wasn't given a big budget go work with. I dont really blame them, because the series has been mistreated and they want to see if it could be a profitable franchise now.
Why'd they mess with everything
My god the remake is soulless.
Exactly!!
WTFH why did the change the announcer to a woman? The original guy was so iconic. Do not like this remake. It also looks terrible.
I think he got fired due to leaking the game and breaking NDA
Ikr!!!! That's the first thing I hated when I first bought it. Also, she sounds like a mf robot when she says "fall out."
The original guy actually sounded like an announcer, but now it's just a female pretending to sound robotic
You just see the difference. Banana Mania just can't live up to the original Super Monkey Ball. Starting with the game Super Monkey Ball deluxe, the rest of the Super Monkey Ball series is absolute crap.
The only bad things IT’S the music
Maybe the problem isn't solely from Sega being an incompetent company, but also, its consumers being entitled as fuck
I swear 100% if this thread is nothing but crying and complaining. It's disgusting