"So you would break up a family because of getting cheated on" is the wildest form of victim blaming. Like, no, the one who cheats is the one who breaks the vow they made to their spouse in order to get married in the first place. The one who cheats is the one who breaks up the family from the inside.
This is exactly how I felt when I heard that. Would she be saying the same thing about other forms of emotional abuse too? I’m guessing she’s saying this because she is a cheater.
Exactly! I would rather leave a cheating partner and keep the co-parenting. The moment she said that breaking up the family would lead a child “to the pole” made since like… wouldn’t staying in the relationship also teach your children that cheating is okay wtf
Sounds to me like she’s a cheater who’s A) already needed to fabricate and use these excuses, or B) has prepared for the day when she WILL need to use them
I don’t think that the woman in the red sparkling dress has thought through her point about “breaking up the family over a one time indiscretion.” Perhaps she’s had her ex partners use this excuse on her in the past. In any event it comes across as victim blaming. I see it as a form of compartmentalization of infidelity used to give the cheater(s) a free pass. Nobody is perfect. She has some room for growth in my opinion.
@FellThrew More likely maybe, but it's not a guarantee of anything the way the woman made it out to be. 50% of all marriages end in divorce and most children end up just fine.
Fr people are so sex obsessed and can't seem to fathom liking people for who they are platonically. Friends are so important in dealing with life's stresses
So a bisexual person can't have friends? Just because you might feel like having a friend of the opposite gender doesn't work for you, that does not mean you can dismiss any other such friendship.
I'm bi and friendships with my own gender is still easier then with the opposite gender. It's probably evolution making us want to appease the opposite gender regardless of sexuality.
I'm bi but friendships with same sex is definitely easier for me. Evolution is probably the reason for wanting to appease the opposite sex regardless of sexuality.
@@HappyPlace-qq2itbut I’m bi and friendships with the opposite sex definitely come easier for me! I have many guy friends, but it’s harder to make guy friends than girl friends. Everyone’s experience is different.
My mom leaving my disloyal father while having 5 kids was the best thing she could have ever done for our family and very hard for her but now everyone of her children respect her so much and we would do ANYTHING for her. She showed us what self worth really looks like ❤ Relationships are 2 people working on themselves and working hard together, you don’t have that… it all falls apart!
i think she meant that the more you get to know each other, the more conflicts are going to arise. at first you're in that honeymoon phase ignoring all the red flags but when it comes down to it, your partner has to communicate clearly and that takes a lot of work.
I'm glad you enjoyed it ! I'm very open minded and I actively think when asked questions, so I try to respond based off my thoughts and experiences in that moment rather than maintain a concrete stance in a subject.
@@facewednesday I love your mindset. I think no one is entitled to a strong opinion unless they've thought about the topic at length, so I'd be just like you for some of these questions. Most people have egos and hate thinking their opinions are wrong, so it's rare seeing people like you.
@@herroyung857 I'm a thinker, so I like to look at everything from multiple angles. Long as it makes sense I'll stand my ground, but if something switches up my perspective, I've got no problem adapting either. Glad you enjoyed the episode 🙌🏾
Jessica Rabbit is kinda confusing, first instance you agree that women and men can't have platonic friendships because there will always be an underlying attraction, doesn't that go against the instance of not dating someone you don't find attractive in the cases if they are platonic friends?
@@nathanielplacide4119 problem is with jubilee, is they invite social media influencers to debate on things they clearly don’t have the intellect or argumentative ability for
"You'd break up a family because you got cheated on?" WTF that's victim blaming. The cheater ALREADY broke the family. Damage is done. Staying is the worst thing to do and it indirectly teaches your kids that it's OK to cheat and it's OK to stay in a BAD RELATIONSHIP. That leads to so much stress and depression and mental illnesses and bottling up emotions and basically nothing positive.
If you put kids into this world you should try to put them first if you want them to have a decent future. Kids with divorced parents does not have the recipe for success in life.
i dont see how thats victim blaming. if the person in question reasons that breaking up the family even more than it already has been would cause further disfunction within the family or have some other negative drawback, why cant they make the best decision for the group? just because one person "broke" the family doesn't mean you just give up on it, it doesn't matter who's fault it is. the thought processes im seeing to argue this point seem to be akin to revenge, selfishness, and other subjective things. I know its definately not a one to one comparison, but imagine your friend betrays a group you are all in, then rejoins. should you betray the entire group again just to show your "friend" what it feels like, then proceed to tell the group its the friends fault you betrayed a second time? I obviously disagree with that guy on some level though, there are many circumstances and sometimes one does have to break up with someone if they deem that the best case for everyone, sometimes you need to put your own needs first, etc. I just feel like some of the reasoning im seeing on how this works is a bit absurd to me personally, but maybe i just dont understand.
@@log-907I don’t agree. What’s “selfish” is cheating. Your partner is NOT subjected to staying for the sake of your child. They knew what they were doing and they SHOULD suffer the consequences. Cheating shows a lack of respect and you shouldn’t be with or raise a child with a partner that. Does not respect you.
@j.6378 I found her terribly off-putting from the moment she opened her mouth because it seemed like every one of her "opinions" was to clump huge groups of people together and say, "This is how you are, and if you disagree, you're wrong" which is a terrible way to try to get any point across or be taken seriously.
Janelle is so sex obsessed holy… she treats sex so casually and expects other people to have that same worldview inherently for some reason. Like to argue that a relationship can be maintained following a partner cheating on them because it’s just “giving in to the cardinal flesh” is wild. Cheating is more than just an act. For her argument to have any bearing in reality, then talking about problems in a relationship could not be a viable option before committing the act of cheating. There are more moral options that precede cheating.
I'm pretty sure she's a sex coach or something like that. She was on Middle Ground before. She's really.. strange. Used odd language that makes men seem like actual animals.
I think at some point she was hurt and justified this behavior as something she could control. Cheating partner is something that destroys your self esteem, some build it up understanding that it's not their fault, some blame themselves. But it's okay to see different perspectives, opinions form from experience and surrounding opinions.
Okay. What I found dumbounding is that to the affirmation "cheating is the worst thing my partner could do to me" noone thought about being sa'd or abused ( mentally or physically or both ) or being with someone overly toxic.... like bro I'd rather get cheated on and do some self esteem work than be with a manipulative narcissist psychopath who will force me to do things I don't want to.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! To live with the trauma of what an abusive relationship causes even after the relationship has ended has to be harder.
People def didn’t think about the wording enough. They were just saying that it’s important to them but they didn’t really listen that there’s definitely something worse they could do.
He has his heart ripped out 4 months ago to the point where he has to "rebuild from 0 and is incapable of self love" but he's already in a committed relationship? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
So if you're gay is it impossible to have platonic friendships with the same sex? NO. This pretty much sums up how ridiculous it is that men and women cant be just friends
They're gonna say "but it's different." If you can't possibly be friends with another person for the way they were born YOURE the problem in why that is.
My niece and nephew got out of control as soon as my sister got divorced. My nephew died at 19, and my niece is 22 and has no semblance of responsibility. I can see how breaking up the family affected them
@@Galaxylion_omega having the parents split up gave them freedom to be completely out of control. Within a month my nephew was in trouble with the law and my niece started doing drugs. My sister was so focused on being their friend that she just started making excuses for them
@@whitedeion598… no, a divorce doesn’t “give kids the freedom to be out of control,” It kind of sounds like they just had bad parents. Divorce can be an incredibly hard thing for a child, but to say it was the divorce that caused your nephew and nieces issues is very clearly over looking a lot of problems both before and after said divorce.
3:00 Knowing that Kian grew up similarly to myself, as in, being closer with women than other men & still being completely straight is reassuring. I'm not worried about my sexuality or any part of my masculinity, I'm just glad there are people who view things from the same perspective that I do. 😌👍
The people who agreed that men and women cannot just be friends forgot that not all men and women are heterosexual. Most of my friends are female, I'm not interested in anything but a platonic friendship with them. Also, not all gay men are feminine (just like not all straight men are masculine) so I don't know where Janelle was going with that point.
Maren is thoughtful and well-spoken. It made me want to listen to her way more than Janelle, for example, who was just firing strong opinions out there without even considering the standpoints of others.
I liked that this group had a wide range of perspectives and weren't afraid of standing alone or having an unpopular opinion. They discussed maturely and respectfully which is rare these days
Aww the 2 Christians were the cutest! It was great to see our beliefs and values represented in a positive way. The last question had me smiling so muchhh 🫶🏽
The guy who talked about being catfished is sooo expressive with his arms 😂😂 I’ve never seen someone not just talk with their hands but lift their whole arms like that 😂 nothing wrong with it I just loved seeing it haha
Also just because you have had friends that you developed that emotional connection with doesn’t mean that you want to date them. It is so weird to me that people think you cant have an emotional connection, and other types of connections outside of dating. And that if you were to develop it, then automatically, you have to date them.
@@Kirbystare1992I would still consider it platonic if they never expressed their romantic feelings towards their friend, the friendship still remains platonic even if one of them romantically likes the other.
@@Kirbystare1992 the friendship is still platonic tho because nothing is going on romantically between the two only within oneself. And like the original comment says even if you do develop romantic feelings it doesn’t mean you need to turn that friendship into something romantic.
Does anyone else find it weird that people tend to use the end of things to describe something? If you are are friends with somebody for 20 years and then fall in love, to me that is no proof that friendship between men and women is impossible. It is proof that it is possible, it worked for 20 years. It is proof as well that life is not static and we all constantly change. Another angle, how many friends stay friends for 20 years? So by the same logic these were never friendships as it didn't last a lifetime?
Or it's that "friend" who remained in the friendzone patiently waiting, and that's actually often the case with many so called guy friends....They are just there to wait for an opportunity and woman tend to think this is "friendship" well...no.
@@1000OtherFoxesThis is probably the main reason for the "cant be friends" talk. If only guys would stop pretending to be friends when they want something else.
@@claff4573 ngl a lot of guys purposefully befriend attractive girls to get to know them. It's rare to see a guy being friends with an unattractive girl. In fact a lot of relationships start from just friends.
I really hope Jessica rabbit isn't a relationship coach because unconditional love should only be reserved for children... Thats the kind of advice that keeps people in abusive relationships
i wish someone asked her if she thinks women cheating is worse than men cheating in marriages. given how much emphasis she put on the "single indiscretion" of the guy. what a pick me.
As a married, monogamous bisexual who has plenty of friends of different genders, the first question was hella weird. Like, I have not had the urge to sleep with all my girl and guy friends. People who really believe this take are weird in my opinion.
@@yellow4648 No one was saying she was ugly or can't pull it off, it's just a bizarre choice for the setting. Just like you wouldn't wear a scuba suit to church or lingerie to work (unless of course your job is a stripper/prostitute). Clothing has meaning in different places.
Why does it matter what someone wears? You shouldn’t care what someone wears, I hope you sure don’t go around judging people for what they wear out in the street.
There is the saying that "Strong opinions, loosely held" is a great approach to life. I enjoyed Asher's thought provoking questions/opinions in this video a lot, personally :)
As a Christian myself, I’m really surprised the Christian said men and women can’t be just friends. Like, are you not friends with women from your church? Your pastor’s wife? The women in your small group? Your wife’s friends? I don’t get it at all. But then I’m also mostly aromantic, so who knows
You don't allow yourself to get inappropriately close because you know you are fallible and shouldn't be tempting yourself, same as why you don't stare at their a$zes when they bend over or whatever.
I think it all comes down to what you consider “a friend”. To me, the people are church are not friends but more so family. You don’t date family. But again, just how I see it/how I was raised in the church.
If somebody says they are not able to be friends with the opposite sex they are basically saying the only value they see in half of the population is their fuckability. Pretty strange thing to be proud of as a christian.
You definitely can be “friends” but it’s the “you can’t be alone in a room together”, especially for a longer period of time. I think that’s where that guy was coming from
I feel like there are friendships that start out of mutual love in a friendly way like liking the same things in common but most people end up misunderstanding it as a sexually driven friendship
How do you not fall into this misunderstanding? How can you tell you're not actually developing more and/or new feelings that align closer to being in a relationship?
Janelle saying that cheating shouldn’t break up a marriage bothered me. It sounds like she just lets her husband, and possibly herself, do whatever. Cheating is not part of a marriage, and it doesn’t allow mean there’s a problem. It’s a CHOICE. You chose to get married, chose to commit to that person, then chose to step out
She also kept trying to shame them with “so you would break up a family and traumatize the children just over cheating??” When-guess what- she’s a single mom who is no longer with the father of her children. She’s just a hypocritical pick-me clown who will say anything. Not a serious person.
She is very odd cause she said “oh it means there is a problem that we can fix” where just earlier she said “Relationships don’t get better they get worse”….so which is it
I love Asher in every video I see of him, he's so funny and openly shows when he's not entirely sure on decision. He listens to other people and is still 100% himself.
The way we define "friends" is important. You can't compare a friend you spend time alone with talking about sensitive and serious topics, comparing that to a person you see once a week in passing.
Definitely! Someone who I feel comfortable enough sharing intimate conversations with is going to lead me to feeling comfortable to be intimate in more ways. It takes a very rare set of circumstances for these kind of close friendships to stagnate and continue only as friends and both parties truly happy with the other finding another person to live their life with instead.
If we are questioning and debating whether men and women can be truly friends, then we are failing not just as a society, but we are failing as a species as well.
Animals mostly aren't "friends". Specifically in the wild. They benefit from living in groups, but when mating season arrives, they're mating. So no that's not failing as a species.
@@lonewaerThat’s why humans are distinguished as going against our animalistic nature. That’s what has allowed us to evolve and adapt to the point of where we are now. So it doesn’t matter if men and women not being friends isn’t naturally occurring (which isn’t even the case anyway), because by that logic, TOILETS would be wrong. FORKS would be wrong, just because they aren’t natural
I wanna give Kian a hug, he seems so genuine and sweet, I hope he grows his self love for himself because if I lived in America I'd wanna be friends with him!!!
I totally understand why/see that he has lots of female friends! I wonder if they’ve helped him become a sweet sensitive person or if they just sensed he was that way from the get to :)
@@anissapichnanunshe’s anti-feminist and talks about how women need to submit to men and respect their bodies’. yet she is not dressing modestly. it’s not about her being not skinny (she is skinny anyways) but you can always cover up your chest. even when you have like DD+. i’m not saying she should cover up but it’s kinda hypocritical
I understand cheating is bad and all, but people really think it’s the WORST thing you can do?? Just off the top of my head, pretending to be in love with someone for years just to save face after getting married and having children, then later on confessing that you never loved them at all is wayy worse and people literally do that more than cheating 🤦🏽♂️
I agree with you but to a lesser extent. Cheating should be a dealbreaker and people should take it seriously and be extremely upset about it when it happens. And we shouldn't discount it as a bad thing because certain things are worse. It's a violation of trust and it really hurts someone. But some people are now saying cheating is abuse. I don't think that's really true. A lot of abusers cheat on their partners and do it repeatedly. I think in those cases it counts but I don't think it should be thrown into the abuse category.
@@truthseeker9249 Why shouldn't it be thrown in next to all the other kinds of abuse? Cheating can have long term negative impact on its victims just as easily.
@@Bambim8 perhaps. But that's why I think only extreme cases of cheating should count. Cheating on your partner with their own friend or family member aka someone they know, someone they trust. Or being a repeat offender. Cheating on them multiple times.
But the argument was more is it very bad to cheat or is it not one of the top things, I think I remember one of the people even said there probably is something worse but…
@@rockstarburnethat's inherently saying those who did agree to do it on camera don't have feelings for eachother. Further proving the point it is possible to have platonic friendships between men & women.
Something made me deeply uncomfortable about “if you’re lonely, and your friend was throwing it out at you?” You do realize that there are people who don’t want or need sex and do not like to have sex with just anyone. (Some terms, demisexual, asexual, or simply a person who doesn’t need to have constant sex, its ok with not having any.)
As an aroace I literally have to interest in sex or romance. Even I find a person attractive and/or nice, my mind can't go further than hoping we can be cool friends😅 my mind just isn't wired that way, and sometimes i just can't see why everyone else can't make it as easy, but I'm not on the other side so I try to step back
Exactly, do they not realise that people also have self control? Not to mention the fact that some people regard their friendships as way more important.
In every one of these it comes down to YOU: Ask yourself: Monogamy? Poly? cheating? worse things? and a bunch of other questions. Ppl need to ASK THEMSELVES and not get it from a partner or friends/family. Sit with the topics and think on them FOR YOU. Also it's ok to NOT be in a relationship but still do work in making yourself better for you and the next person you plan on being with. All of the best things in life take time and energy.
I was shocked that jubilee actually had not one but two people presenting a Christian viewpoint competently. Usually the kinds of people they get make us look really bad or crazy lol
We had WAAAYYYY too much fun filming this episode, to the point that y'all barely see a fraction of the chemistry we had on set, but that's editing for you. None the less I hope everyone enjoys this segment, and hopefully y'all don't flame me too much for the next one that comes out 👀
Usually a lot of Jubilee's videos are very argumentative which is fun and interesting to watch but I did also really enjoy this video because of how much banter there was, it's cool that they seemed to all have a fun discussion about this! Usually I get a bit angry at the people in the videos I disagree with but this time I was able to laugh along even with those I disagreed with
Yeah that’s why I like the spectrum videos better than the middle ground ones because while there is still discourse, it feels more lighthearted and people can actually find agreement on something
I totally get what u mean. I feel like ppl are able to fimd a minddle ground here (somewhat), than compared to the actual middle ground set up. The actual one feels so serious and i get that its supposed to be but ppl come in ready to argue where as this spectrum style set up feels like its just a discussion not a debate.
cheating being the worst thing someone could do is a bit crazy. There are MANY crimes that can be committed that would not only go against your trust, but unequivocally disrupt your life. Cheating sucks, yes, but I could never say that was the absolute worst thing possible.
Are we gonna talk about how Luke and Feenix are so compatible ?! They share so many beliefs and similarities and seem like they would work so well together :’)
The Christians? She disagreed with him in original question and then switched sides cuz she found the guy attractive lol. Doubt she was suddenly agreeing with him just cuz he was christian.
@@astwasOr she was a Christian and thought about the way he phrased his point of view on a specific topic and realised its probably true what he said lol
“Relationships get worse not better” is incredibly untrue. I’ve been in a relationship for 6 years and never felt that way. Things are hard sometimes but the more I get to know him the more I have to love, and it’s always getting better over time.
Most dating relationships get worse over time. I'm glad to hear your relationship has gotten better over time. But most relationships eventually break up. They break up, because something or multiple things happened made the relationship worse. If every relationship got better, then they would never break up.
Relationships don't get better they get worse with time... Really?!? Wtf the bond u have with that person is magnified, the respect u share with each other no comparison gets better with time!!
Honestly don't understand why people think men and women can't just be friends. I have a lot of platonic friendships with girls. Do I find some attractive physically? Of course, but some people you just don't connect with on a romantic level and that's okay. Meanwhile I have my fair share of romantic relationships. I make it clear from the start that I have female friends. If she has an issue with that, that's her issue to resolve.
The effect of opposite sex friendships are more negative than positive on romantic relationships, especially if they aren't mutual friends (the effect of those is nearly all negative).
Surprising that so many disagreed on the second question but claimed that women and men cannot just be friends. If you think about it, they both go hand and hand, you would not date someone who you don’t find physically attractive which that includes your friend.
Men and women can definitely be just friends. I have this female friend I am nowhere near attracted to but she's funny and she used to help me with chemistry and math. Also have some female friends from high school and some from uni
I think when people are asked this question they imagine an attractive guy and attractive girl that are friends having a drink together at a party or something... Like in that scenario it's way less likely they can just be friends
@@leroyrodgers6089 But that's the point. The question asks if men and women can just be friends. Of course they can if they're not attracted to each other. Also even if one or both were attracted, they may choose to remain friends instead if they value their friendship too much.
@@leroyrodgers6089 Yes, of course most people are only able to be friends with someone they are not attracted to. Why does this always come up in comments about this topic like it`s a revelation? The definition of a friend is basically "Person I like to spent time with, but are not attracted to".
It's definitely difficult for straight men and women though to be truly friends without expecting or hoping anything else happens. Typically I feel the guy would need to be more attractive than the girl in order to have a better success rate at just being 100% friends. It would be incredibly surprising to me if a guy has a female friend who is attractive that he wouldn't hope in the back of his mind that he gets to sleep with her. Women have a much easier access to sex so they wouldn't really need to rely on their friend to get it.
I genuinely believe it because that has been my experience my whole life. I've tried, I really have tried to just be friends with women. Every. Single. Time. Either I eventually get attracted to them or they get attracted to me and because of it we stop being friends. This has happened to me over 10 times in my life. I will never be convinced it is possible. Someone ALWAYS has it in the back of their mind, whether they want to admit it or not.
@@ferretsnaxBut is not the worst thing. Talk to women and the children of those women who have suffered from domestic abuse, better yet, talk to people who's partner has abused her/his kids. Cheating would be preferable in those situations
Asher breaks all conventions about what I come to expect from these videos. When he hears a point, he doesnt further strengthen his position, he thinks about it and then confirms or denies the point like everyone should. Be open minded like Asher
People need to be okay with the idea that you can love and be intimate with friends. You can feel deep love and connection to someone without needing/wanting to be in a relationship with them or have sex.
“Relationships get worse not better”??? That’s a terrible narrative surrounding a bond that you share with someone you claim to love. If you and your partner can’t grow your relationship in a positive trajectory (not discounting tough times/hardships) y’all just shouldn’t be together 😅…
Non-Monogamy does not mean not being committed to the people you're in a relationship with. In fact the opposite is the case that there needs to be an environment for open conversation and discussion to solve a variety of issues which often just don't get brought up in "normal" relationships. It's having the freedome to love and commit to multiple people.
The lady in the red dress says she wouldn't break up her family if her husband cheated hypothetically but if cheating is a boundary for me and you break it, you are breaking up our family. Us co-parenting does not hinder the father/mother having a relationship with the child
Jubilee, these videos have lowered in quality tremendously since this series (and others) have started. Cutting conversations (and even prompts) behind paywalls to make even more money? When did you become a corporation? Please release series like Spectrum and Middle Ground with the conversations that these people have, regardless of how it makes them look. We watch these videos to understand more about humans and their thought processes, we need the whole story. Please consider.
It's pretty simple IMO. You can be just friends as long as the boundary of platonic friendship is firmly set, and attraction is not mutual. If you both find each other attractive, yeah no you cant be just friends
Yep! Your partners cheating has nothing to do with you- or someone else seducing them, a substance influencing them, etc.- & rather has everything to do with simply them, themselves.
If people would be honest and reflect on their own situations, it can very much be both. Obviously the cause it the who one who cheated. But people shouldnt just blind themselves to their actions that mightve pushed them towards acting on their impulses
@@rockstarburneexactly, some people cheat because there may be a reason. Scared to leave the relationship, or don’t want to lose the person. There’s reasons why people do it.
@@zai1997if u have the thought to have a moment of intimacy with someone other than ur partner then u shouldnt be worried about the loss if the partner, u kno the consequences..
My answers. 1. I can and have been only just friends. And yes it's sometimes because I have some very unattractive friends lol. But it's also sometimes due to my respect and value of the person. 2. I have not dated someone I didn't find attractive. But it definitely takes more than physical attraction for me because my hope is to out last attraction in a relationship. 3. I've seen too much physical abuse to consider cheating being the worst thing a partner can do to me. 4. I want one forever partner. But I don't care if others do something different. 5. Yes, there are some cuties in this.
Men and women CAN be friends, doesn't mean that they will never be attracted to each other, but you can be friends and aware of attraction without wanting or needing to act on it. But I have never met someone who just wanted to be friends, I guess it depends if both parties are agreeing on remaining friendly
@@justawildgengar Wild take. Nonsensical, even. Most people will feel attraction towards outside parties at times, it obviously doesn't mean they have to act on that.
"So you would break up a family because of getting cheated on" is the wildest form of victim blaming.
Like, no, the one who cheats is the one who breaks the vow they made to their spouse in order to get married in the first place. The one who cheats is the one who breaks up the family from the inside.
This is exactly how I felt when I heard that. Would she be saying the same thing about other forms of emotional abuse too?
I’m guessing she’s saying this because she is a cheater.
And an abuser.@@avalonstout1490
Exactly! I would rather leave a cheating partner and keep the co-parenting. The moment she said that breaking up the family would lead a child “to the pole” made since like… wouldn’t staying in the relationship also teach your children that cheating is okay wtf
Sounds to me like she’s a cheater who’s A) already needed to fabricate and use these excuses, or B) has prepared for the day when she WILL need to use them
I don’t think that the woman in the red sparkling dress has thought through her point about “breaking up the family over a one time indiscretion.” Perhaps she’s had her ex partners use this excuse on her in the past. In any event it comes across as victim blaming. I see it as a form of compartmentalization of infidelity used to give the cheater(s) a free pass. Nobody is perfect. She has some room for growth in my opinion.
As a female with divorced parents I can confirm I am not on the stripper pole
As a female with divorced parents I can confirm I was. 😅
I think it was so rude of her to imply all kids with divorced parents end up on the pole 😀
@@Imnotchay According to her logic, 50% of all children would end up becoming strippers 💀
@FellThrew More likely maybe, but it's not a guarantee of anything the way the woman made it out to be. 50% of all marriages end in divorce and most children end up just fine.
@FellThrew The implication was clear, but there’s a way she could’ve worded it that would’ve been less crude lol
They definitely made up that last question to set up the Christian guy and girl 😂
So awesome 🤍
Ih
I was thinking the same what
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I saw that coming from a mile away
i HATE the notion of just friends. friendships are so important to me and i think people overvalue sex so much
That is soooo based. Platonic relationships are often downplayed because there always has to be “something more”.
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I hate that society treats not having sex as in you love the person less. Friendships can be JUST as strong without the condition of sex
Yesss it's so annoying!
OH MY GOSH SAME 😭
Fr people are so sex obsessed and can't seem to fathom liking people for who they are platonically. Friends are so important in dealing with life's stresses
So a bisexual person can't have friends? Just because you might feel like having a friend of the opposite gender doesn't work for you, that does not mean you can dismiss any other such friendship.
I'm bi and friendships with my own gender is still easier then with the opposite gender. It's probably evolution making us want to appease the opposite gender regardless of sexuality.
I'm bi but friendships with same sex is definitely easier for me. Evolution is probably the reason for wanting to appease the opposite sex regardless of sexuality.
@@HappyPlace-qq2itbut I’m bi and friendships with the opposite sex definitely come easier for me! I have many guy friends, but it’s harder to make guy friends than girl friends. Everyone’s experience is different.
@@HappyPlace-qq2it Be careful making evolutionary arguments to fit your personal anecdotes, they're usually dead wrong
I wouldn't date a bi
My mom leaving my disloyal father while having 5 kids was the best thing she could have ever done for our family and very hard for her but now everyone of her children respect her so much and we would do ANYTHING for her. She showed us what self worth really looks like ❤ Relationships are 2 people working on themselves and working hard together, you don’t have that… it all falls apart!
period!
same but just two kids w my mum
Exactly!! Staying with a cheater shows your children that it’s fine to let your partner disrespect you, which it isn’t.
Exactly
@@lanaanne7751 thats not what it means
The statement “we know that relationships get worse not better” is crazy
...But true. I think, what she meant by that is: When someone shows you who they are, belive 'em. Like, don't be out here dating a fantasy.
It was honestly sad to hear. I wonder who hurt her.
I think what she meant was the physical attraction one. Relationships that started out from sex, do not really end well. They get worse.
i think she meant that the more you get to know each other, the more conflicts are going to arise. at first you're in that honeymoon phase ignoring all the red flags but when it comes down to it, your partner has to communicate clearly and that takes a lot of work.
For me it was the opposite, first year...confusing af, fourth year, just look at each other and understand.
i miss the "slightly agree" and "slightly disagree" options. I feel it allows for more nuance and personalization/humanity for the discussions
I bet they did it so people were closer to the camera.
oh wow i didn't even realize they took the slightly agree & disagree away... wonder why they did it
Well, each one explains it in detail, so, no point in it
Yes please
Yes! If I was on there I’d likely use those a lot bc while I tend to lens more one way on these answers I often have at least some exceptions etc
“Relationships get worse, not better.” Speak for yourself 🥰
That was generally speaking, and absolutely correct.
@@AgelessPhoton It’s not general, it depends on the people and circumstances. There are a lot of healthy relationships out there
@@oil_painted_dessert statistically speaking, relationships get worse, not better. That is true.
@@AgelessPhoton I would counter with "relationships require more effort with age"
@@Luis-vx1tx especially if these are started later in life, yes, absolutely.
I like the dude who kept changing his mind, bro was actually listening to what people were saying and thinking hard on it
He was hilarious switching back and forth of the sides.
I'm glad you enjoyed it ! I'm very open minded and I actively think when asked questions, so I try to respond based off my thoughts and experiences in that moment rather than maintain a concrete stance in a subject.
@@facewednesday I love your mindset. I think no one is entitled to a strong opinion unless they've thought about the topic at length, so I'd be just like you for some of these questions. Most people have egos and hate thinking their opinions are wrong, so it's rare seeing people like you.
@@herroyung857 I'm a thinker, so I like to look at everything from multiple angles. Long as it makes sense I'll stand my ground, but if something switches up my perspective, I've got no problem adapting either. Glad you enjoyed the episode 🙌🏾
@@facewednesdayur amazing dude!!
Jessica Rabbit is kinda confusing, first instance you agree that women and men can't have platonic friendships because there will always be an underlying attraction, doesn't that go against the instance of not dating someone you don't find attractive in the cases if they are platonic friends?
STOP NOT JESSICA RABBIT IKEMDKDMEKDKDKDMD
I don't think they picked the best sample of people for this debate...
@@ShinigamiXL_ Her arguments always fall apart and no one really challenges them.
@@nathanielplacide4119 problem is with jubilee, is they invite social media influencers to debate on things they clearly don’t have the intellect or argumentative ability for
they took 3 religious people
, obviously they didn't pick the best sample of people lmao@@ShinigamiXL_
"You'd break up a family because you got cheated on?" WTF that's victim blaming. The cheater ALREADY broke the family. Damage is done. Staying is the worst thing to do and it indirectly teaches your kids that it's OK to cheat and it's OK to stay in a BAD RELATIONSHIP. That leads to so much stress and depression and mental illnesses and bottling up emotions and basically nothing positive.
If you put kids into this world you should try to put them first if you want them to have a decent future. Kids with divorced parents does not have the recipe for success in life.
@@SirvalianTell that to the person that cheated, not the one who did nothing to ruin their kids lives.
i dont see how thats victim blaming. if the person in question reasons that breaking up the family even more than it already has been would cause further disfunction within the family or have some other negative drawback, why cant they make the best decision for the group? just because one person "broke" the family doesn't mean you just give up on it, it doesn't matter who's fault it is. the thought processes im seeing to argue this point seem to be akin to revenge, selfishness, and other subjective things. I know its definately not a one to one comparison, but imagine your friend betrays a group you are all in, then rejoins. should you betray the entire group again just to show your "friend" what it feels like, then proceed to tell the group its the friends fault you betrayed a second time?
I obviously disagree with that guy on some level though, there are many circumstances and sometimes one does have to break up with someone if they deem that the best case for everyone, sometimes you need to put your own needs first, etc. I just feel like some of the reasoning im seeing on how this works is a bit absurd to me personally, but maybe i just dont understand.
@@Sirvalianthat’s such a horrible mindset. I grew up with parents that 100% SHOULD have divorced. If anything, it made me more miserable and depressed
@@log-907I don’t agree. What’s “selfish” is cheating. Your partner is NOT subjected to staying for the sake of your child. They knew what they were doing and they SHOULD suffer the consequences. Cheating shows a lack of respect and you shouldn’t be with or raise a child with a partner that. Does not respect you.
people who think a boy and girl are dating just cause they’re friends is so childish
Sadly that's a lot of men's motive for being women's friends, so they'll project the way they view it onto others friendships.
exactly
yeah😒
They didn’t say that tho
@@yuhloicyou just said it
This shoulda been a middle ground episode
It wouldn't have worked tho, cuz both groups (assuming men and women) have conflicting views within each other
This isn't a controversial topic. Can't be in middle ground
@NotVille_My local crackhead is more interesting than your videos.
What would the two sides be?
@@ZaraAl-m4qmen vs women
The stank eyes that were given to Janelle crack me up 😭😭😭
immediately she annoyed me
@@SummerThyme2004 the full length gown didn't help either 😭😭
@j.6378 nah she just seems like an awful person to be around
@j.6378exactly! I get her
@j.6378 I found her terribly off-putting from the moment she opened her mouth because it seemed like every one of her "opinions" was to clump huge groups of people together and say, "This is how you are, and if you disagree, you're wrong" which is a terrible way to try to get any point across or be taken seriously.
Jubilee needs to bring back the a slightly agree/disagree line. It added more nuance to the conversation.
Fr
Fr why did they took it of tho?
They add nuance by talking about it after, I think it had the potential to just be more of a cop out than anything.
Agree
Fr
Janelle is so sex obsessed holy… she treats sex so casually and expects other people to have that same worldview inherently for some reason. Like to argue that a relationship can be maintained following a partner cheating on them because it’s just “giving in to the cardinal flesh” is wild. Cheating is more than just an act. For her argument to have any bearing in reality, then talking about problems in a relationship could not be a viable option before committing the act of cheating. There are more moral options that precede cheating.
I'm pretty sure she's a sex coach or something like that. She was on Middle Ground before. She's really.. strange. Used odd language that makes men seem like actual animals.
Yea and look at how she’s objectifying here self
I think at some point she was hurt and justified this behavior as something she could control. Cheating partner is something that destroys your self esteem, some build it up understanding that it's not their fault, some blame themselves. But it's okay to see different perspectives, opinions form from experience and surrounding opinions.
She was another video and I believe she is a human trafficking survivor so maybe that's why
I feel so sorry for her. It must be so lonely living life like that
Okay. What I found dumbounding is that to the affirmation "cheating is the worst thing my partner could do to me" noone thought about being sa'd or abused ( mentally or physically or both ) or being with someone overly toxic.... like bro I'd rather get cheated on and do some self esteem work than be with a manipulative narcissist psychopath who will force me to do things I don't want to.
That’s exactly what I was thinking! To live with the trauma of what an abusive relationship causes even after the relationship has ended has to be harder.
People def didn’t think about the wording enough. They were just saying that it’s important to them but they didn’t really listen that there’s definitely something worse they could do.
The audacity of Janelle trying to shame stripping while dressed like that is mind blowing
Exactly!!! Wtf??
FR.
She wasn’t dressed as a stripper tho
@@Albert_YTC She was dressed like many a burlesque stripper. It's on brand for her once you look at her channel.
FR. Like who's gonna tell her? 😭
Kian is EVERYTHING. Comfortable with vulnerability, respectful of his gf, great sense of humor, great energy!!!
Interesting...As a woman he is a complete turn off! Way too much feminine energy.
He has his heart ripped out 4 months ago to the point where he has to "rebuild from 0 and is incapable of self love" but he's already in a committed relationship? 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
buddy is definitely gay💀💀
@@draincatYT no?
@@draincatYTwhat are you yapping about?
why is NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST SCENE with the dude calling the girl gorgeous PLEASE
what about it?
What's there to talk about? Lol
So cute!!! 🥰
So if you're gay is it impossible to have platonic friendships with the same sex? NO.
This pretty much sums up how ridiculous it is that men and women cant be just friends
They're gonna say "but it's different." If you can't possibly be friends with another person for the way they were born YOURE the problem in why that is.
What does being gay have to do with the argument? It has to do with unreciprocated attraction.
@@ShinigamiXL_bro you could be a whole daddy six pack and a bottom would still be mature to understand + respect boundaries
@@nathanieltrinidad5880 I don't understand what your point is here?
Nobody cares about gay they’re talking about most relationships
13:30 there is nothing worse for a child than the mindset of “force yourself to stay together for the child”
My niece and nephew got out of control as soon as my sister got divorced. My nephew died at 19, and my niece is 22 and has no semblance of responsibility. I can see how breaking up the family affected them
@@whitedeion598do you think it was the break up or the parents only being together cause they birthed you?
@@Galaxylion_omega having the parents split up gave them freedom to be completely out of control. Within a month my nephew was in trouble with the law and my niece started doing drugs. My sister was so focused on being their friend that she just started making excuses for them
But she also mentioned you need to get to the root of the issue.
@@whitedeion598… no, a divorce doesn’t “give kids the freedom to be out of control,”
It kind of sounds like they just had bad parents.
Divorce can be an incredibly hard thing for a child, but to say it was the divorce that caused your nephew and nieces issues is very clearly over looking a lot of problems both before and after said divorce.
3:00 Knowing that Kian grew up similarly to myself, as in, being closer with women than other men & still being completely straight is reassuring. I'm not worried about my sexuality or any part of my masculinity, I'm just glad there are people who view things from the same perspective that I do. 😌👍
I had a feeling that the 2 religious people would click, I was pleasantly surprised by the final question and their answers!
Edit: sentence mistake
Hey i really have to know if they ended up together!!!!!!!???
Why can't they bring them to represent the Christians lol
they were cringe
@@claff4573you’re hating 😭
Same. I could tell when they stood next to each other and smiled at each other in agreement half way through
The people who agreed that men and women cannot just be friends forgot that not all men and women are heterosexual. Most of my friends are female, I'm not interested in anything but a platonic friendship with them. Also, not all gay men are feminine (just like not all straight men are masculine) so I don't know where Janelle was going with that point.
I think everyone was thinking about men and women who were attracted to the opposite sex
like imagine what happens to all the bi/pan people? we get no friends because we are attracted to all genders? the logic doesnt hold up
Most of these people who disagree have never had an opportunity to be friends with the opposite gender in the first place.
@MusicFreak61594 still applies I terms of masculine and feminine presenting in both genders, not always aligning
@@MusicFreak61594are you attracted to every person of the opposite sex you see in public?
I need Luke and Feenix to date asap! It’s also really funny to me that we saw more chemistry on a spectrum episode then on a dating episode 😂
Luke picks a very differently looking girl for dating on a Nectar episode.
@@amlaaaa479yes bro
Maren is thoughtful and well-spoken. It made me want to listen to her way more than Janelle, for example, who was just firing strong opinions out there without even considering the standpoints of others.
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Agreed! I like that her answers were based on how she feels herself, too, and he wasn't trying to push or force her opinions onto the group.
She only made more disclaimers and was more of a relativist, but not surprising
From my perspective, Janelle did consider the standpoints of others, but decided to stick with her own beliefs, which is perfectly justified.
Maren and Asher were my favorites! Down to earth, realistic, and open to others opinions.
I liked that this group had a wide range of perspectives and weren't afraid of standing alone or having an unpopular opinion. They discussed maturely and respectfully which is rare these days
Aww the 2 Christians were the cutest! It was great to see our beliefs and values represented in a positive way. The last question had me smiling so muchhh 🫶🏽
Amen 🙏 ☺️
Me two no lie was shipping them and when the last question popped up my jaw hit the floor😂😂😂
I agree. I want to know if they exchanged contact information afterwards.
@@electric336 me too! they were so cute 😂
Ngl christian romance >>>
The guy who talked about being catfished is sooo expressive with his arms 😂😂 I’ve never seen someone not just talk with their hands but lift their whole arms like that 😂 nothing wrong with it I just loved seeing it haha
My ex told me I move my arms a lot when I speak, and I never realized how much I do until watching this episode 😂, glad you enjoyed it though 🙌🏾
@@facewednesday keep being yourself and don’t change it! It makes listening to you even more captivating haha
@@holisticmaya 🤎♥️
Ngl bro lowkey adorable for them gestures 😭
Go to Italy. An entire country where people cannot talk without moving their arms at all times.
Also just because you have had friends that you developed that emotional connection with doesn’t mean that you want to date them. It is so weird to me that people think you cant have an emotional connection, and other types of connections outside of dating. And that if you were to develop it, then automatically, you have to date them.
That's everything for some of us. So be careful who you give that to. You'll be a serial heartbreaker that way.
But it does mean it’s not platonic anymore because the dude likes you.
@@Kirbystare1992I would still consider it platonic if they never expressed their romantic feelings towards their friend, the friendship still remains platonic even if one of them romantically likes the other.
@@Neighbor8773 no it’s not whether he expresses it or not lol
@@Kirbystare1992 the friendship is still platonic tho because nothing is going on romantically between the two only within oneself. And like the original comment says even if you do develop romantic feelings it doesn’t mean you need to turn that friendship into something romantic.
If you can’t just be friends with someone of the opposite sex, then you need to seriously reconsider where your heading in life 💀
Does anyone else find it weird that people tend to use the end of things to describe something? If you are are friends with somebody for 20 years and then fall in love, to me that is no proof that friendship between men and women is impossible. It is proof that it is possible, it worked for 20 years. It is proof as well that life is not static and we all constantly change.
Another angle, how many friends stay friends for 20 years? So by the same logic these were never friendships as it didn't last a lifetime?
20 years, that's just running out of options lol
Or it's that "friend" who remained in the friendzone patiently waiting, and that's actually often the case with many so called guy friends....They are just there to wait for an opportunity and woman tend to think this is "friendship" well...no.
@@1000OtherFoxesThis is probably the main reason for the "cant be friends" talk. If only guys would stop pretending to be friends when they want something else.
@@jessy1982 Well you have to be smart about human nature.
I like this take
There are female/male friendships that are like a brother/sister relationship. Many of my friends have been male. Never anything else.
Don't ask them whether they want to sleep with you, you'll be surprised lol.
@@rocketi05 So your saying men can't possibly be friends with a woman without having an ulterior motive? What exactly does that say about y'all
There friend zoned still believing to have a chance lol
@@claff4573 ngl a lot of guys purposefully befriend attractive girls to get to know them. It's rare to see a guy being friends with an unattractive girl. In fact a lot of relationships start from just friends.
@@claff4573it’s not an ulterior motive. It’s actually a man’s psychology
i love Maren shes so thoughtful with her words and overall just kind hearted. LOVE TO SEE IT😊
I really hope Jessica rabbit isn't a relationship coach because unconditional love should only be reserved for children... Thats the kind of advice that keeps people in abusive relationships
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I agree with that. I also think that you can unconditionally love someone, but just decide you don't want to be in a romantic relationship with them.
jessica rabbit lmao
i wish someone asked her if she thinks women cheating is worse than men cheating in marriages. given how much emphasis she put on the "single indiscretion" of the guy. what a pick me.
I think she is actually lol
As a married, monogamous bisexual who has plenty of friends of different genders, the first question was hella weird. Like, I have not had the urge to sleep with all my girl and guy friends. People who really believe this take are weird in my opinion.
People who think women have the same carnal desires as men are weird in my opinion.
yea it’s so weird. i guess if we’re bi we can’t have any friends at all?? idk how people think like this
@ville__ cap
I didn’t know we were including this🏳️🌈
thats a pretty hot topic tbh
why is janelle wearing a whole prom dress
because shes stunning and can wear what she wants.
and the world kept spinning....@@yellow4648
@@yellow4648 looks a little ridiculous
@@yellow4648 No one was saying she was ugly or can't pull it off, it's just a bizarre choice for the setting. Just like you wouldn't wear a scuba suit to church or lingerie to work (unless of course your job is a stripper/prostitute). Clothing has meaning in different places.
Why does it matter what someone wears? You shouldn’t care what someone wears, I hope you sure don’t go around judging people for what they wear out in the street.
I love how Asher seems to have strong opinions but moves around every 2 seconds
I'm a thinker, so I move accordingly 😂
So relatable actually 😅
There is the saying that "Strong opinions, loosely held" is a great approach to life. I enjoyed Asher's thought provoking questions/opinions in this video a lot, personally :)
As a Christian myself, I’m really surprised the Christian said men and women can’t be just friends. Like, are you not friends with women from your church? Your pastor’s wife? The women in your small group? Your wife’s friends? I don’t get it at all.
But then I’m also mostly aromantic, so who knows
You don't allow yourself to get inappropriately close because you know you are fallible and shouldn't be tempting yourself, same as why you don't stare at their a$zes when they bend over or whatever.
I think it all comes down to what you consider “a friend”. To me, the people are church are not friends but more so family. You don’t date family. But again, just how I see it/how I was raised in the church.
If somebody says they are not able to be friends with the opposite sex they are basically saying the only value they see in half of the population is their fuckability. Pretty strange thing to be proud of as a christian.
As a christian aswell men and women can definitely be Friends
You definitely can be “friends” but it’s the “you can’t be alone in a room together”, especially for a longer period of time. I think that’s where that guy was coming from
The way Janelle speaks makes my skin crawl, and I'm happy that her first comment was dismantled so easily with a single question
Lmao I liked how the girl in the red shirt gave her dirty looks, Janelle deserves it
I feel like there are friendships that start out of mutual love in a friendly way like liking the same things in common but most people end up misunderstanding it as a sexually driven friendship
Exactly
Agree
And sometimes lovers realize they should just be friends
How do you not fall into this misunderstanding? How can you tell you're not actually developing more and/or new feelings that align closer to being in a relationship?
@@pwetty4r4 that roo
Janelle saying that cheating shouldn’t break up a marriage bothered me. It sounds like she just lets her husband, and possibly herself, do whatever. Cheating is not part of a marriage, and it doesn’t allow mean there’s a problem. It’s a CHOICE. You chose to get married, chose to commit to that person, then chose to step out
She also kept trying to shame them with “so you would break up a family and traumatize the children just over cheating??” When-guess what- she’s a single mom who is no longer with the father of her children. She’s just a hypocritical pick-me clown who will say anything. Not a serious person.
She is very odd cause she said “oh it means there is a problem that we can fix” where just earlier she said “Relationships don’t get better they get worse”….so which is it
@@Bayuuk she was talking about how physical attraction usually declines, 2 separate things
It's not always black and white. What if it's a sexless marriage but neither of you believe in divorce
I feel like the first option would’ve been she does it, not her husband does it..but both could be likely
I love Asher in every video I see of him, he's so funny and openly shows when he's not entirely sure on decision. He listens to other people and is still 100% himself.
The way we define "friends" is important. You can't compare a friend you spend time alone with talking about sensitive and serious topics, comparing that to a person you see once a week in passing.
First smart comment
true
THIS. THIS.
People nowadays have loose definitions of the word friends not realizing the word acquaintance exist
Definitely! Someone who I feel comfortable enough sharing intimate conversations with is going to lead me to feeling comfortable to be intimate in more ways. It takes a very rare set of circumstances for these kind of close friendships to stagnate and continue only as friends and both parties truly happy with the other finding another person to live their life with instead.
This crowd of people had so much chemistry this was honestly one of my fave jubilee videos
Maren is so eloquently spoken!!
If we are questioning and debating whether men and women can be truly friends, then we are failing not just as a society, but we are failing as a species as well.
Animals mostly aren't "friends". Specifically in the wild. They benefit from living in groups, but when mating season arrives, they're mating.
So no that's not failing as a species.
@@lonewaerThat’s why humans are distinguished as going against our animalistic nature. That’s what has allowed us to evolve and adapt to the point of where we are now. So it doesn’t matter if men and women not being friends isn’t naturally occurring (which isn’t even the case anyway), because by that logic, TOILETS would be wrong. FORKS would be wrong, just because they aren’t natural
@@lonewaer🤣
@@lonewaer what did I just read
@@lonewaer🧇
I wanna give Kian a hug, he seems so genuine and sweet, I hope he grows his self love for himself because if I lived in America I'd wanna be friends with him!!!
he was the sweetest
just friends eh?😒🤥
@@noire9601lol! It’s not impossible 😌😉
I totally understand why/see that he has lots of female friends! I wonder if they’ve helped him become a sweet sensitive person or if they just sensed he was that way from the get to :)
being abused is one of the worst things that a partner could do to you and the fact that so many people strongly agreed on cheating is puzzling
I mean, I personally would rather be abused than be cheated on
@@red_phoenix0570 girl what
@@User-123-i6k not a girl, but yes.
@red_phoenix0570 boy what?!
@@ArthurArtistry i stand by what i said
The 💃 lady always had the wildest takes
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Why isn't she dressing modest if she's conservative.
👁👁.....not the cha cha emoji
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@@claff4573ok but if she were skinny and had smaller 🍒 u wouldnt be saying that
@@anissapichnanunshe’s anti-feminist and talks about how women need to submit to men and respect their bodies’. yet she is not dressing modestly. it’s not about her being not skinny (she is skinny anyways) but you can always cover up your chest. even when you have like DD+. i’m not saying she should cover up but it’s kinda hypocritical
I understand cheating is bad and all, but people really think it’s the WORST thing you can do?? Just off the top of my head, pretending to be in love with someone for years just to save face after getting married and having children, then later on confessing that you never loved them at all is wayy worse and people literally do that more than cheating 🤦🏽♂️
Or putting hands on you, destroying property, accusations etc..
I agree with you but to a lesser extent. Cheating should be a dealbreaker and people should take it seriously and be extremely upset about it when it happens. And we shouldn't discount it as a bad thing because certain things are worse. It's a violation of trust and it really hurts someone. But some people are now saying cheating is abuse. I don't think that's really true. A lot of abusers cheat on their partners and do it repeatedly. I think in those cases it counts but I don't think it should be thrown into the abuse category.
@@truthseeker9249 Why shouldn't it be thrown in next to all the other kinds of abuse? Cheating can have long term negative impact on its victims just as easily.
@@Bambim8 perhaps. But that's why I think only extreme cases of cheating should count. Cheating on your partner with their own friend or family member aka someone they know, someone they trust. Or being a repeat offender. Cheating on them multiple times.
But the argument was more is it very bad to cheat or is it not one of the top things, I think I remember one of the people even said there probably is something worse but…
jenna’s face every time janelle started talking 😭
She tried sooo hard to sound intelligent, using "fancy" words, but in reality she had some awful opinions and is probably not that smart.
she was literally me
Y'all should do a split decision episode with men and women who are just friends
There's actually a split decision episode coming out soon with male and female besties; stay tuned !
And if one of the did secretly catch feelings, you think theyd just air it out on camera?
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@@rockstarburnethat's inherently saying those who did agree to do it on camera don't have feelings for eachother. Further proving the point it is possible to have platonic friendships between men & women.
Something made me deeply uncomfortable about “if you’re lonely, and your friend was throwing it out at you?” You do realize that there are people who don’t want or need sex and do not like to have sex with just anyone. (Some terms, demisexual, asexual, or simply a person who doesn’t need to have constant sex, its ok with not having any.)
he's so simple minded. not everyone wants sex all the time even if they are lonely.
As an aroace I literally have to interest in sex or romance. Even I find a person attractive and/or nice, my mind can't go further than hoping we can be cool friends😅 my mind just isn't wired that way, and sometimes i just can't see why everyone else can't make it as easy, but I'm not on the other side so I try to step back
Same, I’m aroace and it bugs me so much dude
Exactly, do they not realise that people also have self control? Not to mention the fact that some people regard their friendships as way more important.
It doesn’t even have to be sex. its yall who think about sex instead of simply desire towards dating
In every one of these it comes down to YOU:
Ask yourself:
Monogamy? Poly?
cheating? worse things?
and a bunch of other questions. Ppl need to ASK THEMSELVES and not get it from a partner or friends/family. Sit with the topics and think on them FOR YOU.
Also it's ok to NOT be in a relationship but still do work in making yourself better for you and the next person you plan on being with. All of the best things in life take time and energy.
The two people who ended up on the ‘strongly agree’ line at the end omg 🥺
AHHH IK 👀👀
So adorable!!!
“I would date someone in this room” is crazy lmaooo yall threw that one in there on the spot
Thanks😊
The way they all shipped the Christians at the end was super cute 😂❤️
Samee ..Imagine finding your soul mate on jubilee ❤😂
@@Roseypose17 that'd be awesome 😂 imagine telling the story to the kids or showing them the video!
That would be amazing 😅I hope we get an update on them. @@VoVina111
I was shocked that jubilee actually had not one but two people presenting a Christian viewpoint competently. Usually the kinds of people they get make us look really bad or crazy lol
i came looking for this comment. i was giggling and kicking my feet at the end when they both went to strongly agree.
We had WAAAYYYY too much fun filming this episode, to the point that y'all barely see a fraction of the chemistry we had on set, but that's editing for you. None the less I hope everyone enjoys this segment, and hopefully y'all don't flame me too much for the next one that comes out 👀
you were amazing! loved the energy you presented
@@daviannahamilton9275glad you enjoyed my presence, and hopefully you next episode that comes out as well 🙏🏾
u were my favorite
you were pretty annoying in this episode tbh
lol sure you did
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Usually a lot of Jubilee's videos are very argumentative which is fun and interesting to watch but I did also really enjoy this video because of how much banter there was, it's cool that they seemed to all have a fun discussion about this! Usually I get a bit angry at the people in the videos I disagree with but this time I was able to laugh along even with those I disagreed with
Yeah that’s why I like the spectrum videos better than the middle ground ones because while there is still discourse, it feels more lighthearted and people can actually find agreement on something
I totally get what u mean. I feel like ppl are able to fimd a minddle ground here (somewhat), than compared to the actual middle ground set up. The actual one feels so serious and i get that its supposed to be but ppl come in ready to argue where as this spectrum style set up feels like its just a discussion not a debate.
cheating being the worst thing someone could do is a bit crazy. There are MANY crimes that can be committed that would not only go against your trust, but unequivocally disrupt your life. Cheating sucks, yes, but I could never say that was the absolute worst thing possible.
They should’ve reworded it to “is cheating a dealbreaker?”
@@charlotteru4634 I absolutely agree. I think the way they present it, it is easy to say "of course it's the worst"
And no one answered as if that's what was asked because I doubt anyone takes that as the literal.
No need to be a pedantic sad sack
@@coletrainhetrick the question is literal?
Are we gonna talk about how Luke and Feenix are so compatible ?! They share so many beliefs and similarities and seem like they would work so well together :’)
The Christians? She disagreed with him in original question and then switched sides cuz she found the guy attractive lol.
Doubt she was suddenly agreeing with him just cuz he was christian.
@@astwasOr she was a Christian and thought about the way he phrased his point of view on a specific topic and realised its probably true what he said lol
oh that last bit was sweet. The question was asked, and he took it at face value, and she was over on that side of the room.
“Relationships get worse not better” is incredibly untrue. I’ve been in a relationship for 6 years and never felt that way. Things are hard sometimes but the more I get to know him the more I have to love, and it’s always getting better over time.
Most dating relationships get worse over time. I'm glad to hear your relationship has gotten better over time. But most relationships eventually break up. They break up, because something or multiple things happened made the relationship worse. If every relationship got better, then they would never break up.
Relationships don't get better they get worse with time... Really?!? Wtf the bond u have with that person is magnified, the respect u share with each other no comparison gets better with time!!
The Christian guy and girl should please send us updates on how their next date went. Basically, update
Yesssss
Honestly don't understand why people think men and women can't just be friends. I have a lot of platonic friendships with girls. Do I find some attractive physically? Of course, but some people you just don't connect with on a romantic level and that's okay.
Meanwhile I have my fair share of romantic relationships. I make it clear from the start that I have female friends. If she has an issue with that, that's her issue to resolve.
Really puffing yourself up, aren't you redditor?
Just for consistencies sake.
You're fine with your girlfriend telling you she had male friends who she found physically attractive too.
The effect of opposite sex friendships are more negative than positive on romantic relationships, especially if they aren't mutual friends (the effect of those is nearly all negative).
@@J_Harris99 Yes. I don't have trust issues nor do i believe it's my place to tell my girlfriends who they should and should not be friends with.
It all comes from 'When Harry met Sally'.
Asher made this video so much greater than it would have been without him
Wow this group of people were very positive and refreshing
Exactly
it also helps this topic is mostly lighthearted. if it was something political, i think itd be heated.
I like that they disagreed on a lot of things but didn’t scream at eachother for it.
No they were not 😭😭😭
Surprising that so many disagreed on the second question but claimed that women and men cannot just be friends. If you think about it, they both go hand and hand, you would not date someone who you don’t find physically attractive which that includes your friend.
My thoughts exactly. I have female friends that I wouldn't date because I don't find them physically attractive.
Not Jubilee being a match maker at the end. I love it !
No because that was actually so cute 🥺
The girl wearing the red corset and pearl necklace is so beautiful the outfit is gorgeous
So beautiful but sooo annoying
Men and women can definitely be just friends. I have this female friend I am nowhere near attracted to but she's funny and she used to help me with chemistry and math. Also have some female friends from high school and some from uni
Fr I have some friends that I lived with in uni (we were a flat of 8) and they're like family to me.
You just explained the biggest caveat. You are not attracted to her....
I think when people are asked this question they imagine an attractive guy and attractive girl that are friends having a drink together at a party or something... Like in that scenario it's way less likely they can just be friends
@@leroyrodgers6089 But that's the point. The question asks if men and women can just be friends. Of course they can if they're not attracted to each other. Also even if one or both were attracted, they may choose to remain friends instead if they value their friendship too much.
@@leroyrodgers6089 Yes, of course most people are only able to be friends with someone they are not attracted to. Why does this always come up in comments about this topic like it`s a revelation? The definition of a friend is basically "Person I like to spent time with, but are not attracted to".
I’m sorry but everyone’s face got weak asf when Janelle answered the cheating question 😭💀
the fact that people genuinely believe that men and women can't just be friends is crazy to me
Well it's a nuanced topic, I don't want to go all jordan peterson but it depends on what you really mean by friends and what qualifies as friends
It's definitely difficult for straight men and women though to be truly friends without expecting or hoping anything else happens. Typically I feel the guy would need to be more attractive than the girl in order to have a better success rate at just being 100% friends. It would be incredibly surprising to me if a guy has a female friend who is attractive that he wouldn't hope in the back of his mind that he gets to sleep with her.
Women have a much easier access to sex so they wouldn't really need to rely on their friend to get it.
Seriously, like they’ve only spoken to like 5 people in their whole life lmao
Think about this: does your mother have male friends? I’d guess probably no cuz mine doesn’t and my dad doesn’t have any female friends either
I genuinely believe it because that has been my experience my whole life. I've tried, I really have tried to just be friends with women. Every. Single. Time. Either I eventually get attracted to them or they get attracted to me and because of it we stop being friends. This has happened to me over 10 times in my life. I will never be convinced it is possible. Someone ALWAYS has it in the back of their mind, whether they want to admit it or not.
Cheating is not the worst thing a partner can do to you, physically, emotional and economical abuse are far worse.
That’s subjective
also, cheating CAN be both emotional and finacial abuse
@@ferretsnaxBut is not the worst thing. Talk to women and the children of those women who have suffered from domestic abuse, better yet, talk to people who's partner has abused her/his kids. Cheating would be preferable in those situations
Facts, what about rape? I guess that is worse than cheating...
Asher breaks all conventions about what I come to expect from these videos. When he hears a point, he doesnt further strengthen his position, he thinks about it and then confirms or denies the point like everyone should. Be open minded like Asher
People need to be okay with the idea that you can love and be intimate with friends. You can feel deep love and connection to someone without needing/wanting to be in a relationship with them or have sex.
If cheating was the worst thing a partner could do the world would be a paradise. I can think of dozens of things that are worse.
Janelle grew up in an empty, isolated room with one stereotypical guy and one stereotypical lady
“Relationships get worse not better”??? That’s a terrible narrative surrounding a bond that you share with someone you claim to love. If you and your partner can’t grow your relationship in a positive trajectory (not discounting tough times/hardships) y’all just shouldn’t be together 😅…
shes projecting hard and acting like she's an expert on relationships cuz she thinks she understands men. yeah...incel men
i am dying every time jenna makes a face when janelle was talking 😭😭😭
As she should because 😅😅😅
Non-Monogamy does not mean not being committed to the people you're in a relationship with. In fact the opposite is the case that there needs to be an environment for open conversation and discussion to solve a variety of issues which often just don't get brought up in "normal" relationships. It's having the freedome to love and commit to multiple people.
The lady in the red dress says she wouldn't break up her family if her husband cheated hypothetically but if cheating is a boundary for me and you break it, you are breaking up our family. Us co-parenting does not hinder the father/mother having a relationship with the child
Asher is such a character😂 Thank you for always having him in these videos👏
i like how everyone in this video were so resectful of eachother its was wholesome
Jubilee, these videos have lowered in quality tremendously since this series (and others) have started. Cutting conversations (and even prompts) behind paywalls to make even more money? When did you become a corporation? Please release series like Spectrum and Middle Ground with the conversations that these people have, regardless of how it makes them look. We watch these videos to understand more about humans and their thought processes, we need the whole story. Please consider.
Agreed
Yeah,they b saying "we include everyone" and than make content only for people that can afford it 💀
Productions cost money! Why not support your favorite content when u can?
Something doesn't have to be the worst thing ever to warrant a breakup.
It's pretty simple IMO. You can be just friends as long as the boundary of platonic friendship is firmly set, and attraction is not mutual. If you both find each other attractive, yeah no you cant be just friends
I don’t think cheating happens bc of the partner, I think it happens bc of the internal problems of the cheater
Yep! Your partners cheating has nothing to do with you- or someone else seducing them, a substance influencing them, etc.- & rather has everything to do with simply them, themselves.
If people would be honest and reflect on their own situations, it can very much be both. Obviously the cause it the who one who cheated. But people shouldnt just blind themselves to their actions that mightve pushed them towards acting on their impulses
@@rockstarburne rare lucid comment
@@rockstarburneexactly, some people cheat because there may be a reason. Scared to leave the relationship, or don’t want to lose the person. There’s reasons why people do it.
@@zai1997if u have the thought to have a moment of intimacy with someone other than ur partner then u shouldnt be worried about the loss if the partner, u kno the consequences..
bruh leaving us on that cliff hanger! we need an update on this prospective new couple!
My answers.
1. I can and have been only just friends. And yes it's sometimes because I have some very unattractive friends lol. But it's also sometimes due to my respect and value of the person.
2. I have not dated someone I didn't find attractive. But it definitely takes more than physical attraction for me because my hope is to out last attraction in a relationship.
3. I've seen too much physical abuse to consider cheating being the worst thing a partner can do to me.
4. I want one forever partner. But I don't care if others do something different.
5. Yes, there are some cuties in this.
ENDING was so wholesome.
Black shirt and green top, i definitely thought they were compatible 😭❤️
i guess as a gay non feminine guy with female friends, i just don’t exist?
You're literally the exception, why bother listening to heterosexual advice, it doesn't apply to you
Some people live in a bubble.
Bunch of idiots if you ask me
You do exist sweetie , and you’re loved 🥰 🖤🖤🖤
Exactly
Luke & Jenna are gold fr! Loved their approach
Men and women CAN be friends, doesn't mean that they will never be attracted to each other, but you can be friends and aware of attraction without wanting or needing to act on it. But I have never met someone who just wanted to be friends, I guess it depends if both parties are agreeing on remaining friendly
Nope not to me lmao
“Be aware of attraction” nah that’s basically cheating for me.
Y’all stay safe though🤣🙏
@@justawildgengar Wild take. Nonsensical, even. Most people will feel attraction towards outside parties at times, it obviously doesn't mean they have to act on that.