hill climb - Floatwheel ADV VS Onewheel GT
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ย. 2023
- Climb capability matters, don't let those FM affiliated propaganda fool you, more torque not only mean you climb high to see the unseen, it will also gonna save you from eating ground when you pass a pothole you didn't see coming, also saves you from picking up the board to go over a root that's in your way when you are chilling in the trails. Torque is safety and we can not have enough safety for this sport.
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Is your left leg sore now? ATR Strength 3.5 is crazy! That must have been a very uncomfortable ride man... All you should need is 1.5 - or even better just load one of the presets from some of the pro riders, even VESCMann allround should do the trick, people seem to like it for the Floatwheel, but Burnerz Beast Mode will do it for sure, and should be much more pleasant to ride than ATR Strength 3.5
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We are happy you recommend the Burnerz tune ❤ that means a lot as we are a big fan of your work Dado!
lol I just instinctly try max out atr and it just climbs, so I didn't bother to change anything else🤣 thanks alot for the advice dado, I'ma try some more of the tunes!
This is the comment I was looking for. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY ride with 3.5 ATR. You literally gotta hang ten just to keep that nose down LMAO. Burnerz Beast Mode is great too.
Can't express how much I appreciate your transparency, Tony. It's nice to see someone as excited about these devices as we are actually engineering them and solving the problems instead of staying silent and not addressing them.
100%. FM could change the way they are viewed with ONE video overnight. Pick someone trustworthy to represent the company, admit that they haven't done the best job, and then do exactly this - show us in real time exactly what you're working on, and what you're doing to create a better board. And stick to it. It's not that complex. It's crazy that they don't understand this.
@@clintcarlson7097 On the surface FM project themselves as a bunch of carefree dreamers seeking the stoke. But in reality they’re lawyered up to the hilt and reeks of corporate bullshit.
@@clintcarlson7097 it's because if they openly showed us what their engineers were working on we'd see them spending their time designing proprietary parts and locking down the firmware rather than trying to improve the board.
"slow the fuck down people" -- Tony 2023. LOL I love it
I went 28mph on my FW lol
How am I supposed to slow down when his ADV is such a fucking beast that I do 28 mph in almost every ride. I feel nothing on this board at 20 mph. Its crazy strong and stable.
There's a lot to be said for the fact that he's climbing that slow vs getting a full speed run at it. Very impressive.
Let's goooooooo! Tony you have my money on you. Right to repair is all the man needs here and after riding 6000km on my GT and now 2000km on my floatwheel I would never ever buy FM stuff again it is just not for me. As a European, the service time is way too long and costly for me. But the Floatwheel experience is my new found love in the sport. Thanks for introducing me to VESC in a easy way. Now I am in so I won't turn back. Already making my plans to transfor my bricked GT to a VESC! The amount of kilometers I ride and the amount of abuse I put my boards through is just not suitable for a onewheel ownership. Your boards are absolute beasts! Can't wait to beta test your v2 electronics! :)
I'm soo glad for your infinitely better experience
Oh my! Your version of a racing board!!!!?!?! 😈. Let’s GOOO!❤️🔥
I'm so impressed with the adv! I just wish it was easier to get hold of lol
Looking forward to the day where you can buy the adv and it works out of the box, keep it up Tony and crew!
Nice to see another video from you, Tony! Despite whatever GT-S can offer, I am still decided to switch from my completely customized XR to ADV. The main reason is the range, the second one is the torque and the third one is the price. Good luck with everything!
"slow the fuck down people" 😂 so true
You know, when I first heard about Floatwheel, I actually was a bit upset because of copyright infringement. BUT, I have completely changed my mind! Tony, you are the best thing to happen to this sport/hobby. I'm absolutely positive that had you not produced the ADV, Future Motion would still be sitting on their asses. And what you have produced on your first run appears to be as capable or dare I say MORE capable than what FM has ever produced. Additionally, your transparency, your dedication to correct issues and make improvements is unsurpassed. You have legitimately earned a top spot in this sport's history and have changed it for the better. I cannot wait to see the amazing things you do in the future. And THANK YOU!
FM gave up on their lawsuit of trotter when FM realized they were going to fight, FM knows their patent won't hold up
Hopefully this means one day soon we can purchase a FW without crypto 🙏@@-JohnSmith-
Your post got me thinking...who would I rather ride with.... Tony or Kyle?
Hands down, Tony! He truly is a legend in our sport.
I'm really happy to see how well it climbs and how much power it has. I live in the mountains, so everywhere I will ride the ADV will be on really large concrete and dirt hill, mountains etc., and with some pretty decent to steep grading, even my own drive way is really steep, in the 40 degree range. Our trails are tons of roots, rocks, and hills, so this is great to see. Great video and great explanations Tony. Cheers
I was riding in a group of 6 people on GTs with my ADV. We stopped for a bit and one guy tried to go up this hill on the side of the trail with his GT. He could not no all the way up so I let him ride my ADV. Then, he got all the way up.
Thank you bringing us the future of motion!
Floatwheel is so epic! Thank you Tony!
Tony is DA MAN!
Can't wait to see Float Life compare GTS and Floatwheel this week!
Tony，打心里感谢你们做的事情。感觉激励着我要从今天开始学点硬件知识了，为了之后更好地玩floatwheel储备一点知识。祝愿你们越搞越好
I agree torque is the #1 safety feature, and that's why i initially left onewheels for EUCs, however for curb nudges, i thing geometry helps more than torque. On a flat board, when the tire hits on a nudge, its perpendicular to the higher ground, and bounces off the wall, so nudging is all technique. But on a lowered W setup, when the tire hits the corner, its already on top of the curb, and rides right over it.
Dope video. Can't wait for my adv to arrive. 🤙
Does anyone else here happen to love how Tony throws brutal but perfectly honest and respectful punches?
Keep up the amazing work Tony
FM boards have always been so weak on the low end torque. Moving over to VESC has really opened it up, love that ur spreading VESC boards around! Thinking of putting a cannoncore on my XR in the future...
Vesc board with 113 volts?
@@Jameslangford-rc6sw power without control (brain) is useless
@@rafelOrCo The onewheel controller is fine. I wasn't asking you anyway
@@Jameslangford-rc6sw who are you?
Who do you think, the ceo of onewheel? Just a guy on TH-cam. Just like you. You aint nobody special. nether am i.
"SLOW THE F*CK DOWN, PEOPLE!!," Toni exclaimed. See, even Toni himself discourages from riding OW for speed, to slow down as it's very dangerous. Toni says it's made, designed or built for low speed fun. But FM encourages and markets for speed and even promotes racing events and tempting riders in the app with the added Segments feature. I love you Toni, for we have the same mindset regarding how fun to ride a OW at low speed. 💕
I will never understand people who find Onewheel racing fun. It'd be like mountain bike racing but if you went slightly too fast or slightly uphill the bike would jam a stick in it's front spokes.
How many batches of floatwheel production have you had at this time? How long does it take for a preorder to be ready to ship?
I dont speak chinese but i bet those people were saying
Damn thats a lot of power
Thumbs up for Tony & floatwheel👍👏
Thanks bro! I send my $$ to you tomorrow for my board. I can’t wait! Hope it gets here by Christmas
temps went up pretty fast on the esc, planning on better temp control on on the v2 esc?
yep, the current ESC's heat sink was originally designed for v1 motor, v1 motor is a high torque low speed motor, that requires very little current from the controller to Generate torque, so basically it doesn't heat up the ESC. but it only have native top speed of 23mph, it can spin faster with field weakening tho, but people were complaining about this, so we change the motor winding abit to make it faster （27mph native top speed） but now it requires 1.2X current to Generate same amount of torque as to v1 motors, so it heats up more, in the gen2 electronics, we will be using 2x more mosfets to reduce heat production, and on top of that we will be using aluminum circuit board instead of traditional fibreglass PCB, it will generate 1/2 heat and have better heat dissipation, other than that, it mounts directly to the top aluminum plate in the front box so it will not heat up at all this time.
@@floatwheel 😅 Awesome
I will soon post an update on the ADV versus GT S uphill testing and speed test. So far the reviews that were posted are inaccurate and paid by Future Motion.
eggsacly！
which reviews are you talking about that compare the two? To me it seems like Future Motion is scared to even mention the word floatwheel in anything they say, let alone a video.
I am excited for the future of floatweel. Can you say witch time the next thing comes approximately?
its hard to manage timeline now, remember last time we said we drop em in 2 weeks and it turned out to be 6 months 😂. Let's take it slow this time, but I can say that 150V 250A ESC is in the work and 34S1P BMS also in the work, actually just finished parts choice and power up/down/sleep strategy from yesterday's meeting with FAE and our EE team. But now our focus is to bring gen2 electronics for our adv customers first.
@@floatwheel I'm crying of joy
@@floatwheel oh man, that sounds epic. That would crush the trails like no other board out there, and with the cannon core times are looking good. When is pre-orders? 🤑
Looking forward to what you come up with.
Go my dude! Great job. I hope u succeed
Tony, I would have purchased a float wheel already if it didn’t involve such a weird purchasing path. Are you working on that? Thank you.
I think the comps I've seen vs GTS puts Floatwheel in a very good light. Just need production to ramp up and less friction to purchase them.
Lets get a distributor in US to finish building them, and then resell in US via normal means.
But they'd get an instant cease and desist from FM, especially if selling them conplete
Won't happen
Cease and desist speedrun
I heard Tony plans on fighting their patent.@@HoverHev
Will never happen. Thats why people when people spot a Floatwheel it instantly becomes a conversation piece.
13:27 - We ❤ Right To Repair!
Who wants a gts (double price)? Can you replace any part from it?(ofical) only wins on the weight area. Not really important to me, at all.
I really hope that your next board will have more of an XR form factor, I prefer it so much more over the GT one especially for tricking and racing!
What's the difference between the adv and pro? They seem the same but the pro doesn't have as many colors...
GTS is only born because of Tony
Tony is only born because of Kyle
I was about to say "set it to elevated man" till I saw you also weren't updating your app. I feel your pain bro, I don't want that new update in my Pint because the Haptic Buzz will become too familiar of a song with my speed limit. So now I can't even turn my lights on
Hate to break out to you Tony,
People are not deciding GT or Adv. The question people have right now is should I buy GT-S or should I buy Adv for half the price!
No doubt about it the Adv is hands down a far better value.
~~Please build a Pint board before you build a performance board~~
Thanks for the awesome ADV board Tony.
They built a Pint clone years ago, but abandoned it about a year before the ADV.
indeed. definitely a desired form factor
Toni, think about all the light small people with small feet like me. We prefer the smaller Pint. I've never been so excitedly happy to ride and carve on my OG Pint effortlessly stable and relaxed with both straight legs with no foot fatigue every mile with additional range until I started riding and carving on it backwards (sensor side at the rear)!!!
The other day finally got my buddy with 3 FM boards to try the adv pro. He wants me to order one for him after the new year so its here by spring. Haha 😂
Can someone explain to me the difference between the ADV w/ Pro battery and the ADV Pro? My research has not come up with a clear and complete answer
He has the ADV, with the normal ADV rails, but instead has the ADV Pro's battery
adv standard battery is no longer available due to supply issues， now we have the adv and adv pro both using adv pros battery pack their difference is the rail design
@@floatwheel Thank you for the response! Is there a noteworthy physical durability difference in the rails, or is it primarily aesthetic? The Pro rails look beefier
Damn I wish I had a Floatwheel
Well done 👏 ✔️ 👍 😮
Transparency is everything to me. I'm glad that FM pushed out a great product but the way how things get more and more limited with each update/ revision is scary and this comes from someone in the IT field
Somebody needs to come up with a proximity sensor or something that tries to keep the board just level enough that the nose never touches the ground to the terrain
I thought about this before, but any sensor would have the problems of mud cover up, but then later the vesc community developed a way better solution Which is active torque response, ATR（credit to surfdado！）, it doctates how high the nose should be based on speed and motor current, and together with a better AHRS algorithm, now the board uses more of the Z axis acceleration data in calculating the IMU position, so you can see in the video, the floatwheel was able to keep the nose up during the climb.
It's a dangerous sport just have to give people what they want, like motorcycles there's no reason to have a 1400 CC super bike that goes 200 miles an hour but if you don't make one the next company will and you'll be left behind 🤙🏽 what I was thinking is make 2 different versions a high speed and a high torque version like EUC
I see a lot of people commenting saying they weigh over 200 lbs that want a GT-S so they are able to climb hills or have more safety but don't need the extra speed.
You can update the onewheel app. Just don't update the actual board. Also turn off data and wifi after you update just the app and the haptic buzz update screen won't pop up.
thanks alot！ save my day！ now I dont feel bad for the guy whos gonna buy the GT from me
No problem man! Just keep on making these videos and an awesome product! I can't wait to see you do a "breakdown" of all the components in the Onewheel GT-S series! @@floatwheel
@@3tch3r will do 4 sure
Once you've perfected your wheel I'm getting it asap
In a consumer market, you compare different categories to understand where the money is best spent for the experience.
Love you tony
whats your weight?
Just a couple hundred feathers 🤔 18:42
lmao im 80kg
"Slow the fk down people" hahaha I can't wait to get mine in the mail
At least! how much I miss you
Love these videos, And I do have to say you really look good in glasses and hoodie. You girl friend is quite lucky.
Lmao “slow the fuck down people” 😂
ADV-S confirmed!
I’ll get a float wheel if there is another payment option other than crypto
There's one ready to go for sale here in Dallas I've tried to trade him everything I can think of for it lol but he won't budge and cash only never thought I would get lucky enough to find one locally I almost wanna sale my onewheel for it but I want both lol
Uh-Oh! Kyle has been warned by Toni to not disappoint him copping Onewheel GTS for $3,200 😂🤣
Yes 1000 bucks more than gt and you have lower footpads more power and less range for 500 more you get an ADV😂😂😂
You should sell parts to make my pint x be a floatwheel
“SLOW THE FUCK DOWN PEOPLE”😂
Hey Tony please get an agent In Brisbane
Australia..cheers
Braham downunder
Give me the option to preorder your performance board and you’ll have my money
"Slow the f down people" 😂 😅 yaaa we do ride to fast....
Damn, FM should be embarrassed. I hate that squeaking/grinding noise the motor makes when it's struggling.
That WAS IMPRESSIVE!!! ....NEED TO TEAM UP WITH MAJOR NAMES...
12:17 stop torturing GT pls 😢
It is screaming!!!
Haha😂
ADV-S coming soon!!!!
👀🤞🏾
i want a safe 30mph board. i don't think thats too fast at all
euc is the way then
@@floatwheel Tony, do you think you'll ever create an EUC? You have a lot of the required knowledge and skill at this point already. The EUC market right now could use some competition from a competitor with a high-quality product.
@@moonbabiesthere are already too many EUC brands out there, Tony is doing the VESC OW style board community a massive favour, let’s keep him focused there for now.
It's crazy all the hating when all you're doing is trying to build a more affordable unit for everyone to enjoy don't see what's wrong with that... Not to mention onewheel has had many years to make and products better product in 10 years I could only imagine were yours will be everyone needs to be more supportive and stop hating rock on brother keep doing you and living life I can only hope to own a adv one day ... Vrap on brother
Tony better watch out, FM is going to send the Factory Team to China to debunk this climbing challenge.
lol Please！come and chat！
Tony cmon man. That hill is easy
Some complained Tony didn't do a more fair trial by not riding GT with better technique. Personally I can't tell if Tony rode both wheels equally competently or equally incompetently. But are those people saying if a more fair trial was conducted, we will see GT is more capable at hill climb than FW?
it is what it is
Just wait until the boards are put on a dyno, that will give us more definitive numbers. At the moment ADV is the only board that gets me up the hills around home.
Really good point on apples to oranges.
How did you get on cue a bunch of Chinese people to walk down that hill all of a sudden
idk they appear outta nowhere🤣
Love what your doing man you definitely have a nice board better than the gt s
@4:59 slow the f down ppl!!
I like the sound of Titanium and Carbon Tony!! Sign me up!
lets go！
Hey Tony, please do not go the racing route. Please make a trick board next. For now racing is a thing. But it's not the future. Look at every other board sport. Sk8boards had slalom and what not. Snowboards had boarder-x. But nobody cares about that anymore, cause you can do so much more impressive and cool things on those boards. Same goes for BMX and MTB. So please don't bother with the GT-S racing stuff and instead continue to pushing the sport forward. Racing can be fun too. But there's much more than that.
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I agree wholeheartedly. Style beats speed every single time.
Oh I've been thinking this the whole time too. As a snowboarder, I couldn't care less about snowboard racing. That was so 90s.
FM is stuck in the '90s
@@djd7421 Exactly what I'm thinking. FM doesn't understand what their product is about.
@@Eryktion lets make a normal XR comeback and smoke GTS？ im in
@@floatwheel this would be epic, especially if you enabled the XR community to modify their boards to be better than the GT. You could call it the Floatwheel ADHD
🥱😴🥱😴
Still buying a GT
“sTiLL bUyiNg a GT”
@@floatwheel what? I prefer my stock gt over anything else. And yes I have ridden your adv pro and I’ve ridden other vesc boards and I just like feel and ride my gt gives
Tony you should piggy back off of FM's 6.5in hub and put the largest diameter stator in there as you can. That will be a colossal motor and will destroy everything.
Good idea idea but GT's rim in the wild is disaster, I constantly worry that the rim might crack when I go over pot holes.
@@floatwheel That is the caviat, it still irks me though that FM created it and proceeded to not use the extra realestate. It doesnt make any sense to me and I just want someone to design a motor to use the pointless standard. Or heck skip 6.5in entirely and make some crazy 7in hub and put a bigger tire on with extra sidewall.
@@erosion01 6.5 with 12inch tire might work
@@erosion01 then we have 145x90 stator, that could be epic
Please don't go with a bigger rim. Please... watch now as we see 5" gain huge popularity.
LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
I’m not gonna lie this is kinda BS your using a not full potential GT because of no custom shaping with a floatwheel that has its ATR cranked so far up that it’s practically vertical
Guys, don’t buy the this guys hype 😂😂😂 He’s desperate… Just look at these videos, holy cow 🤣
I don’t have crypto, so I’m not getting the ADV because they only allow crypto and I don’t have that kind of time to just make a crypto account because I don’t trust it
Do what you want man, it just worked for everyone of us so I don't know, maybe change your mind on the crypto thing?
@@hoeliris7984here’s the thing they only take crypto and crypto is sketchy if you don’t know how to use it. additional payment options beyond cryptocurrency would be beneficial, especially for those who cannot access crypto payment options. And when you have a crypto account or when you open one you can’t immediately just use it you have to wait quite a bit before you can actually use your crypto to buy stuff. when ordering a float wheel, the order usually arrives in multiple boxes which further delays the delivery process. And I believe most people want their board fast. This significantly slower delivery compared to one wheels, makes it impractical and it makes more sense to invest in Focer for boards and Vesc as an alternative. Because it doesn’t take months for a vesc to arrive and it’s just a controller you have to put in a Onewheel XR.
Worth it
sounds like you're missing out
ATR may get you up a hill but it is often very late and poor in guessing if you would ACTUALLY want your nose to go up, it feels very bad compared to a real Onewheel.
Also you can’t just tell people to slow down… you sell product, you must build a speed limit in… I suggest telling people to use erpm based pushback on first setup
You can tune VESC ATR response speed.... Saying onewheel ATR response is better than VESC is a blind claim
Is it possible something is wrong with your one wheel g t because I could make it up that hill with my eyes closed
Your riding posture could use some work. Maybe not just putting all of your weight over the front would be a more fair showing. Also if you are showing a custom tune on your board but not this one, it’s an unfair trial
now its my fault this lil crying bitch cant climb？I be had enough of people trying to say it's riders error, this lil bitch is what it is, you can hire lots of people to make propaganda video on how the GT flying up hill, in the end It doesn't do it for me sorry not sorry, stop lying to people with marketing and put actual power in your products!
I mean yeah. Riding posture could use work but the idea that you can hang 10 off the front of the board and it still climbs up is still worth something no?
@@floatwheelcalling a top rider a lil bitch when you look like you just started riding yesterday, by accident..
😂
@@floatwheel why are you talking to people like that if you’re a creator of a one wheeled skateboard. you are making yourself look bad and based on this message you speak like an insecure teenager. I'm sorry
Tony need a Floatwheel Factory Team. I volunteer Daddo, Maxx, and Gergo Kiss and his Burnerz crew.
I’ll buy your next gen wheel if it’s badass instead of the gts