The other crazy thing about Up the Beanstalk is that it's not legendary, meaning you can stack them. Get two out and suddenly you're not just breaking even with Solitude or FoW, you're actually netting a card!! It's insane!
@@TuberTuggerSolitude exiles a creature, and force counters a spell. The net effect is that you spend zero cards to remove one of your opponent’s cards. You do net one card of advantage.
@@AnonymousHuman-ku5whRight! Just because your hand size doesn’t increase doesn’t mean you didn’t net a card. Removing a creature is one less card your opponent has.
The original art for Birds of Paradise was meant for Tropical Island. Art direction back then wasn't quite what it is today, so when they got the art back and saw how prevalent the bird was, they just decided to whip up a card to still make use of the picture and made a new Tropical Island in-house. Jesper Myrfors was the art director back then, and this wasn't the only time he had to patch up their art assignments for whatever reason. I believe Circle of Protection: Black has a similar story behind it, but I can't quite remember it. The originally assigned art was way late or something, so they had to throw something together at the last minute.
I had to laugh at how Carl hesitated to say "Channel Fireball" then decided to say "Fireball Channel" instead just to not their competitor get a free mention.
Nah definitely fyndhorn elves Granted arbor elf is like, all of these but arguably better since it lets you untap a forest, which means you could use more than just green with dual lands
@@klb2164 it's virtually the same effect as the other ones. You just untap a land rather than it making the mana itself. You still get access to more mana
Last year I managed to retrieve several boxes of cards from the loft space of my mum’s garage that builders had built around 🤦♂️ I didn’t really know what was in them, so imagine my surprise when I found soooo much loveliness including a Cradle! They were cards I had drafted back in the day
Before watching the video, my guesses are, in some order: Natural Order, Survival of the Fittest, Primeval Titan, Tarmogoyf and Deathrite Shaman if we count the hybrid cards, if not then either Golgari Grave Troll or Hermit Druid. EDIT: I forgot about Channel and Oath facepalm.
There's a lot of really, really strong green cards. All of those are great choices. I would also consider Genesis/Hypergenesis and Protean Hulk. They also mentioned Fastbond in their article, which seems particularly more powerful than the ones this video is about.
@@spoopyboi1882 Except that Pod is just slow Natural Order, etc. There's usually a better version, even though that particular version (Pod) makes a combo in some situations.
12:15 Ackshyually; according to a quick scryfall search, there are only 5652 green cards, not 6000; and if we're only counting monogreen cards, that goes down even further to 4131 :P
channel, fastbond, natural order, prime time and probably some 1 mana dork most likely birds . 2 of those I don't even play in my powered cube because they break magic more than black lotus and moxen .. and even more in combination /edit .. was thinking about up the beanstalk, but that's such a new card ^^
The classic card to oath into was Cognivore and then Spike Feeder, Spike Weaver and Morphling. Battlefield Scrounger was part of a combo deck called Turboland and the card you wanted to draw was Time Warp. or in some convoluted way any single card in your deck. The deck was great and mindmelting.
2:50 with the right opening hand, you can use dorks like these to play a six drop on turn three. Play forest, dork, untap, play forest, two dorks, untap, play forest, cast six drop. Of course this is still risky as an opponent can just counter it or kill it
It's kind of a one-trick pony - only low cost things and sometimes misses. Not as good as similar OG versions like Oath of Druids or Pattern of Rebirth or Natural Order that just grab anything.
@@Sauvenil it is and it isn't. It has some perks over cards like Natural Order and Pattern of Rebirth that I feel easily puts it on par. It's powerful because despite its limitations it creates a massive advantage for any deck it's in.
@@blong217 You have to build toward Collected Company for it to be awesome. You don't have to go that far for Natural Order. Less restriction and more versatility even though it's only one creature.
@@Sauvenil I mean you do have to build towards Natural Order too, you can't just throw it in any deck and expect it to work. It's just you have to build differently than company. I consider company so good because unlike natural order, it gives a better chance at assembling two card combos (albeit specific ones). Plus it does it at instant speed which is also highly beneficial over sorcery speed.
I drafted Dominaria Remastered with a friend and discovered the power of Battlefield Scrounger on my own. I love this theme (and the fact that it's in Naya colors) in old dominaria sets
I honestly cant belive up the beanstock is on the list when its only pretty good in the formats that consistently play the evoke elemental and is just okay in all other formats
Llanawar Elves / Msytic Elf / Birds of Paradise are known as "Mana Dorks". Turn one: play mana dork, turn two: land drop and play Wood Elves; now you have 4 mana sources by the end of turn two.
I know there are so many good synergies for having the vanilla elf dorks, but in my enchantress deck, I like arbor elf better because it can give me tons of extra mana if I stack enchantments on it
7:10 Tribal is a card type so that it can have a subtype, and it shares those subtypes with creatures. If tribal was a subtype, then it would need to have a subsubtype and I think that would be more confusing. It would also itself still be a subtype not only shared between instants and sorceries, but also enchantments and artifacts, which is a problem because those don't normally share subtypes, so you'd have a sorcery/instant version of tribal, and an enchantment version of tribal and an artifact version of tribal, which then each would share subsubtypes with eachother as well as with creatures. Instead, it's simply a type that shares its subtypes with creatures. Just like instant and sorceries share subtypes. Although trap only seems to occur on instants and lesson only on sorceries.
I remember back in the day, I won one of my first tournaments with an Oath of Druids / Serra Avatar / Spirit Link / Altar of Dementia deck. Nothing like milling my opponent for 35-40 in a turn.
I'm a Green mage and probably my all-time favourite card is Life from the Loam, which is sort of a one-card combo or at least a one-card engine. I don't think I can justify rating Loam higher than any of the bangers on this list other than maybe Llanowar Elves. I've watched enough Legacy to know that Up the Beanstalk is a seriously screwed up card and seeing it on this list is not as mad as you might think. And yeah I remember Goyf as this just super iconic powerhouse card that suddenly was starting to be outclassed by...a big dumb fish from Fate Reforged? That's right, Gurmag Angler was the first sign that Goyf was in trouble, and then Fatal Push really killed the Goyf and then they've printed nastier threats and now it's just a memory/meme card. It does my green heart good to see so many great honourable mentions in the comments such as Natural Order, Prime Time, Fastbond, Survival of the Fittest, etc. Video put a smile on my face. One big sandwich for Carl, Thoralf, and for Jamin. Thanks boys.
I can agree with channel and up the beanstalk being up their but here’s a few other than would fit better. Switch Llanowar elf’s with noble hierarch or delighted halfling, Food chain, Primeval titan, Hypergenesis, Protean hulk, Defence of heart,
7:14 Tribal had to be a type and not a subtype because tribal has subtypes, it shares all of creature's subtypes, so needs to be on the same level that's just the way types and subtypes interact. Tribal was created entirely because there needed to be a type to give access to the creature subtypes on non creature spells.
@christopherb501 no, it couldnt because then there would be no type that allowed the subtypes. Every subtype is attatched to a specific type, a forest can only be on land type, an equipment has to be on an artifact type, an aura has to be an enchantment type, and elf has to be on a creature or tribal type.
I'm not sure how good Rofellos is, but I thought it could have been an honorable mention. It's like a reverse Gaea's Cradle, instead of having a land that yields 1 mana for each creature, you just have a creature that yields 1 mana for each land (assuming they are forests).
A lot of the cards in the honorable mention are stronger than potition 3-5 in the list and even some that didn't make the honorable mentions: Fastbond, Golgari Grave Troll, Primeval Titan, Hermit Druid, Survival of the Fittest, Natural Order.
Channel lets you do another crazy thing. If you have Lich's Mirror in the deck, as long as you can keep drawing one, you can repeatedly play the Mirror, off yourself to the Channel to trigger the Mirror, and pile up all that mana in your mana pool since you never switch phases. Then from there you can basically make infinite mana from your life and then win with something like a Walking Ballista.
Ooooh, this is tough. As a former diehard green mage, I feel like I should have good guesses, but… nothing’s coming to mind beyond Channel and Fastbond.
Seems odd to me they justify Llanowar Elves over Birds of Paradise by citing elf type synergies. I'm willing to bet there are *astronomically* more synergies with tapping for *any* color than there are elf synergies.
That's not really a synergy that's just a more flexible additional mana resource. Anyone jamming 8,12,16+ single G Elves that tap for G or do basically the same thing in a roundabout way (Arbor Elf) is cashing in on how powerful the Elf synergy is due to the tribe's strong card pool and is less/unconcerned with needing access to more colors. It presents a more obvious but more consistent and very fast gameplan.
@@kylegonewild "That's not really a synergy that's just a more flexible additional mana resource" ...Is this a joke? Do you know what the word synergy means? Cant believe I have to explain this, but being able to produce mana of the color of your spells is sort of important. You might even say it's fundamental to the game. Utterly insane to me that you can pick the one time It's better (elf tribal) and ignore the *thousands* of times its worse. i.e., almost every other deck in existence. The video is literally about the top green cards. Not top green cards for elf tribal. Birds of Paradise is *objectively* better in 99.99% of decks. I can't believe I have to even waste my time arguing this point.
Oath decks in old extended played three creatures, morphling, spike feedeer to gain life and spike weaver as fog. And they play gaea's blesseing to never deck themself.
I'm from the US, so I wasn't familiar with the shirt or story. After reading about it, I'm glad that Carl wearing the shirt and your comment could fill me in on such a unique and empowering story.
Okay, so 7 and 9 were where my two picks for this list currently reside. I just remember the extended elfball deck that ran heritage druids and nettle sentinels to turn zero people.
most of the time I don't kill mana dorks because I find it better to destroy everything they play with the mana dorks & there is a limit to how much removal you can fit in most decks.
I find it interesting that Up the Beanstalk makes the list, but there is no Prime Time or Natural Order. To be fair, Top 5 lists are always tough, especially when biases, subjectivity, and a card pool, the size of which Jamin didn't manage to count in the opening somehow ;) Big fan of making these into "story time" though, so I'm not going to complain :)
I wish you would made like honorable mentions for: Craterhoof behemoth, Primeval titan, Natural order, rancor and Thragtusk. Green is color of creatures after all.
I know I'm late to this video, but my immediate thought in response to "What if Cardmarket was green instead of blue?" was "then they probably wouldn't be as good at getting you cards." (Yes, I know in some situations green has more consistent card draw. My brain makes jokes on tropes, not always reality)
I was really missing Primeval Titan here until I saw all the other great suggestions here in the comments that didn't make it either. Must've been a tough choice.
But Tharmogoyf would just die if all graveyards are empty when you play it. So they had to make it x/x+1. That happens rarely in modern because so many people play fetch lands and a 1 mana instant or sorcery on their first turn etc., but it could still happen and would make Tharmogoyf really suck in that situation because it would just sit in your hand until something goes into a graveyard. It would also die if someone cracks a Relic of Progenitus etc. So I think it being x/x+1 is better. It's also really hard to kill with lightning bolt, because the toughness increases off lightning bolt if it is the first instant in a graveyard before the damage gets applied.
Oath of Druids is powerful, but it was banned in most formats. Survival of the Fittest got more tournament wins back in the day. That’s the green card I have the most fond memories playing. Type 2, extended, legacy. Would be interested if they unban it in legacy one day. My playset it still waiting.
Surprised that Once Upon a Time didn't make it into the list but then again it's not good enough to be banned in Legacy so maybe not. Still better than a vanilla 2 mana 4/5 lol. Nowadays we have 8/8 fliers for 2 mana that also pitch to force.
Hold up, why does Channel get you so many colourless?? It says you can pay 1 and get 1, not X...?????? A mountain and a lotus is still only 2 mana abilities, or am I missing some obtuse rule?
"Any time you could activate a mana ability" is not equivalent to "whenever you activate a mana ability." It means any time you could legally within the rules of the game activate a mana ability for the rest of the turn, you can instead do this. You choose the total mana cost for the spell (the regular cost for non-X spells like Emrakul) you want to cast before putting it onto the stack. Back in the day there were more specific timing rules about mana abilities (we had the card type Mana Source once upon a time before they all got errata to Instant) but these days you can add mana to your mana pool (by activating a mana ability) at nearly any time not specifically restricted by a card effect. What that functionally means is, unless something is specifically preventing you from activating a mana ability, you *always* "could activate a mana ability" so you can do it as many times as you want until you win or go to 0 (for the stylish seppuku).
@@kylegonewild thanks for the clarification dude. i wish i'd known that so many years ago, there was so many time i've played that effect wrong and my opponent didn't know either hahaha
It's from a movie called Pride where a London gay community helps miners go on strike. It says "Pits & Perverts, Lesbians and Gay men Support the Miners". It's a weird shirt but a heartwarming film 😅
I agree that goyf shouldn’t be on the list, but how is it not a goodstuff staple? Its been a major player in modern, legacy, and even vintage midrange decks.
I'm honestly a little surprised that Protean Hulk isn't in the honorable mentions. Sure, the card itself isn't the busted part, but it's such a busted enabler for cheating stuff in. Thinking about in now, putting Flash Hulk in with Up the Beanstalk...oh man, that's just mean.
Deathrite shaman better show up in some other list. My assumption being the cards have to be mono-green for this list. It's definitely the best elvish mystic.
Honorable mentions: bit.ly/3P1fLGp
Honorable mention to the green card that got me to stay in my country
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The other crazy thing about Up the Beanstalk is that it's not legendary, meaning you can stack them. Get two out and suddenly you're not just breaking even with Solitude or FoW, you're actually netting a card!! It's insane!
I wouldn't say you net a card. It's 2 for 2. But you net the effect for free which is usually worth a card.
@@TuberTuggerSolitude exiles a creature, and force counters a spell. The net effect is that you spend zero cards to remove one of your opponent’s cards. You do net one card of advantage.
@@AnonymousHuman-ku5whRight! Just because your hand size doesn’t increase doesn’t mean you didn’t net a card. Removing a creature is one less card your opponent has.
The original art for Birds of Paradise was meant for Tropical Island. Art direction back then wasn't quite what it is today, so when they got the art back and saw how prevalent the bird was, they just decided to whip up a card to still make use of the picture and made a new Tropical Island in-house. Jesper Myrfors was the art director back then, and this wasn't the only time he had to patch up their art assignments for whatever reason. I believe Circle of Protection: Black has a similar story behind it, but I can't quite remember it. The originally assigned art was way late or something, so they had to throw something together at the last minute.
Was that why volcanic Island didn't exist in alpha but did in beta?
haven't watched the video yet but, I swear to god, if I don't see Colossal Dreadmaw...
Draft playable, that's it.
@@JohnFromAccounting, no its in all my dino decks, gotta rep da real ones
They were trying to make the video at least a little reasonable, having the best card in the game that lets you win all the time is too good
@@JohnFromAccounting 🤦🏼♂️🤦
they're actually all colossal dreadmaw
I had to laugh at how Carl hesitated to say "Channel Fireball" then decided to say "Fireball Channel" instead just to not their competitor get a free mention.
Channel Fireball is the name of the original combo, and the company took that as their name to reference that combo.
I feel like Birds of Paradise beats all three elves at their job, back when it was printed it an instant staple
Plus birds dual-wielding a sword and a hammer are pretty annoying. (Not THAT hammer... the Loxodon Warhammer. Birds need to fly to smash face.)
For sure, its just objectivley better (unless youre elf-balling of course)
BoP, or (ig)noble hierarch, or Delighted Halfling, all feel better for that spot than the elves, unless you're specifically in elf tribal
"It's definitely elvish mystic." Yeah, gonna have to disagree, Jamin. It's Llanowar elves.
Nah definitely fyndhorn elves
Granted arbor elf is like, all of these but arguably better since it lets you untap a forest, which means you could use more than just green with dual lands
@@tylerprime6741but arbor elves is definitely worse because its just not mana acceleration
@@klb2164 it's virtually the same effect as the other ones. You just untap a land rather than it making the mana itself. You still get access to more mana
@@tylerprime6741wait im braindead i thought it was a different card and got confused
@@tylerprime6741 Arbor elf runs the risk of you not having access to forests.
Sylvan library,Fastbond, glimpse, natural order, eureka..so many strong green cards
“Number 6000 will surprise you” killed me
So technically not green but... Gaia's Cradle is THE reason I started playing green back in the day
Last year I managed to retrieve several boxes of cards from the loft space of my mum’s garage that builders had built around 🤦♂️ I didn’t really know what was in them, so imagine my surprise when I found soooo much loveliness including a Cradle! They were cards I had drafted back in the day
I still have my playset. My babies xD
Before watching the video, my guesses are, in some order: Natural Order, Survival of the Fittest, Primeval Titan, Tarmogoyf and Deathrite Shaman if we count the hybrid cards, if not then either Golgari Grave Troll or Hermit Druid. EDIT: I forgot about Channel and Oath facepalm.
Feel like Pod should be a consideration too
@@spoopyboi1882absolutely. I thought about it for roughly two minutes, hence forgetting Channel and Oath
@@smwg4187 fair, i forgot about channel and oath as well lol
There's a lot of really, really strong green cards. All of those are great choices. I would also consider Genesis/Hypergenesis and Protean Hulk. They also mentioned Fastbond in their article, which seems particularly more powerful than the ones this video is about.
@@spoopyboi1882 Except that Pod is just slow Natural Order, etc. There's usually a better version, even though that particular version (Pod) makes a combo in some situations.
12:15 Ackshyually; according to a quick scryfall search, there are only 5652 green cards, not 6000; and if we're only counting monogreen cards, that goes down even further to 4131 :P
that's why number 6000 will surprise you - it's not even printed yet!
Fastbond should be in the top 5. Probably at number one even.
That Channel art is just awesome
channel, fastbond, natural order, prime time and probably some 1 mana dork most likely birds . 2 of those I don't even play in my powered cube because they break magic more than black lotus and moxen .. and even more in combination
/edit .. was thinking about up the beanstalk, but that's such a new card ^^
Strongest to Weakest
1) Channel
2) Natural Order
3) Oath of Druids
4) Tarmogoyf
5) Birthing Pod
id replace oath with BOP, protean hulk, or maybe survival and move it down to 5, i dont think oath is just generally as powerful as either of those 4.
I've found the Jund Player!
Sylvan library top 3 ez
Oath is a vintage deck. Channel isn’t. Natural order is barely in legacy. You’re also missing fastbond and survival of the fittest.
@@asteros6387Of these five cards, only one is the core of a vintage deck, and that’s oath.
The classic card to oath into was Cognivore and then Spike Feeder, Spike Weaver and Morphling.
Battlefield Scrounger was part of a combo deck called Turboland and the card you wanted to draw was Time Warp. or in some convoluted way any single card in your deck. The deck was great and mindmelting.
Also as an aside, it was usually always correct to bolt the bird because most players would keep a greedy hand if they opened with a dork.
2:50 with the right opening hand, you can use dorks like these to play a six drop on turn three. Play forest, dork, untap, play forest, two dorks, untap, play forest, cast six drop. Of course this is still risky as an opponent can just counter it or kill it
What about Collected Company?
It's kind of a one-trick pony - only low cost things and sometimes misses. Not as good as similar OG versions like Oath of Druids or Pattern of Rebirth or Natural Order that just grab anything.
One of my favorite cards and barely feels playable :(
@@Sauvenil it is and it isn't. It has some perks over cards like Natural Order and Pattern of Rebirth that I feel easily puts it on par. It's powerful because despite its limitations it creates a massive advantage for any deck it's in.
@@blong217 You have to build toward Collected Company for it to be awesome. You don't have to go that far for Natural Order. Less restriction and more versatility even though it's only one creature.
@@Sauvenil I mean you do have to build towards Natural Order too, you can't just throw it in any deck and expect it to work. It's just you have to build differently than company.
I consider company so good because unlike natural order, it gives a better chance at assembling two card combos (albeit specific ones). Plus it does it at instant speed which is also highly beneficial over sorcery speed.
I drafted Dominaria Remastered with a friend and discovered the power of Battlefield Scrounger on my own. I love this theme (and the fact that it's in Naya colors) in old dominaria sets
I honestly cant belive up the beanstock is on the list when its only pretty good in the formats that consistently play the evoke elemental and is just okay in all other formats
Llanawar Elves / Msytic Elf / Birds of Paradise are known as "Mana Dorks".
Turn one: play mana dork, turn two: land drop and play Wood Elves; now you have 4 mana sources by the end of turn two.
I know there are so many good synergies for having the vanilla elf dorks, but in my enchantress deck, I like arbor elf better because it can give me tons of extra mana if I stack enchantments on it
can't wait to see the other colors!
colossal dreadmaw is obviously the number 1!
7:10 Tribal is a card type so that it can have a subtype, and it shares those subtypes with creatures. If tribal was a subtype, then it would need to have a subsubtype and I think that would be more confusing. It would also itself still be a subtype not only shared between instants and sorceries, but also enchantments and artifacts, which is a problem because those don't normally share subtypes, so you'd have a sorcery/instant version of tribal, and an enchantment version of tribal and an artifact version of tribal, which then each would share subsubtypes with eachother as well as with creatures.
Instead, it's simply a type that shares its subtypes with creatures. Just like instant and sorceries share subtypes. Although trap only seems to occur on instants and lesson only on sorceries.
That is a very comprehensible explanation of that phenomenon, I didn't know!
-Jamin
Top 5 long form discussion instead of rapid Top 10. Card Market making it work
I remember back in the day, I won one of my first tournaments with an Oath of Druids / Serra Avatar / Spirit Link / Altar of Dementia deck. Nothing like milling my opponent for 35-40 in a turn.
The fact that no one mention sylvan library even in the comments is just crazy
Natural order is much more powerful than up the beanstalk.
I'm a Green mage and probably my all-time favourite card is Life from the Loam, which is sort of a one-card combo or at least a one-card engine. I don't think I can justify rating Loam higher than any of the bangers on this list other than maybe Llanowar Elves. I've watched enough Legacy to know that Up the Beanstalk is a seriously screwed up card and seeing it on this list is not as mad as you might think. And yeah I remember Goyf as this just super iconic powerhouse card that suddenly was starting to be outclassed by...a big dumb fish from Fate Reforged? That's right, Gurmag Angler was the first sign that Goyf was in trouble, and then Fatal Push really killed the Goyf and then they've printed nastier threats and now it's just a memory/meme card.
It does my green heart good to see so many great honourable mentions in the comments such as Natural Order, Prime Time, Fastbond, Survival of the Fittest, etc. Video put a smile on my face. One big sandwich for Carl, Thoralf, and for Jamin. Thanks boys.
I play a Loam Deck, including Tarmogoyfs. 😮
I can agree with channel and up the beanstalk being up their but here’s a few other than would fit better.
Switch Llanowar elf’s with noble hierarch or delighted halfling,
Food chain,
Primeval titan,
Hypergenesis,
Protean hulk,
Defence of heart,
Wild that Wild Growth got no mention. Berserk that Berserk got no mention.
I like these vids, hopefully we'll also get best colorless spells!
Or maybe something like "best enchantments" and "best planeswalkers"
7:14 Tribal had to be a type and not a subtype because tribal has subtypes, it shares all of creature's subtypes, so needs to be on the same level that's just the way types and subtypes interact. Tribal was created entirely because there needed to be a type to give access to the creature subtypes on non creature spells.
Could have still been a supertype, with that property.
@christopherb501 no, it couldnt because then there would be no type that allowed the subtypes. Every subtype is attatched to a specific type, a forest can only be on land type, an equipment has to be on an artifact type, an aura has to be an enchantment type, and elf has to be on a creature or tribal type.
My guess (before seeing top 5:
1. Channel
2. Golgari grave troll
3. Oath of druids
4. Fastbond
5. Hermit Druid
Honorable mentions: noble / inoble, OUAT, primetime, beanstalk, natural order, survival of the fittest
Yeah I was thinking about Once upon a Time as well
Sylvan library?? Colossal dreadmaw?
Much better list than the one in the video if you ask me
I'm not sure how good Rofellos is, but I thought it could have been an honorable mention. It's like a reverse Gaea's Cradle, instead of having a land that yields 1 mana for each creature, you just have a creature that yields 1 mana for each land (assuming they are forests).
A lot of the cards in the honorable mention are stronger than potition 3-5 in the list and even some that didn't make the honorable mentions: Fastbond, Golgari Grave Troll, Primeval Titan, Hermit Druid, Survival of the Fittest, Natural Order.
I remember when Tarmogoyf was a menace in the old Extended days. Fun times!
Channel lets you do another crazy thing. If you have Lich's Mirror in the deck, as long as you can keep drawing one, you can repeatedly play the Mirror, off yourself to the Channel to trigger the Mirror, and pile up all that mana in your mana pool since you never switch phases. Then from there you can basically make infinite mana from your life and then win with something like a Walking Ballista.
So what happened to Natural Order and Survival of the Fitest?
They are in the honorable mentions :)
Survival of the Fittest might be banned but it's not very banworthy. Natural Order should be on the list.
Survival of the Fittest is not in the honorable mentions.
Ooooh, this is tough. As a former diehard green mage, I feel like I should have good guesses, but… nothing’s coming to mind beyond Channel and Fastbond.
can someone explain how llanowar elves made it to the top 5 but fastbound, sylvan library and primeval titan didn't?
Seems odd to me they justify Llanowar Elves over Birds of Paradise by citing elf type synergies.
I'm willing to bet there are *astronomically* more synergies with tapping for *any* color than there are elf synergies.
Elves buffs each other's though
That's not really a synergy that's just a more flexible additional mana resource. Anyone jamming 8,12,16+ single G Elves that tap for G or do basically the same thing in a roundabout way (Arbor Elf) is cashing in on how powerful the Elf synergy is due to the tribe's strong card pool and is less/unconcerned with needing access to more colors. It presents a more obvious but more consistent and very fast gameplan.
@@kylegonewild "That's not really a synergy that's just a more flexible additional mana resource"
...Is this a joke? Do you know what the word synergy means? Cant believe I have to explain this, but being able to produce mana of the color of your spells is sort of important. You might even say it's fundamental to the game. Utterly insane to me that you can pick the one time It's better (elf tribal) and ignore the *thousands* of times its worse. i.e., almost every other deck in existence.
The video is literally about the top green cards. Not top green cards for elf tribal. Birds of Paradise is *objectively* better in 99.99% of decks. I can't believe I have to even waste my time arguing this point.
loads of good ones. Sylvan Library, Survival of the fittest, Craterhoof Behemoth, Glipse of Nature, Fastbond, ..
I've just got to Tarmogoyf, there are only two cards left and nobody has mentioned fastbond, oath of druids, or channel. What is going on?
No fastbond?
I liked this video and then you mentioned Morphling and it brought back terrible extended blue control memories
The Channel joke to plug following Cardmarket was an Arena Boys ad in a trenchcoat and fake mustache.
Oath decks in old extended played three creatures, morphling, spike feedeer to gain life and spike weaver as fog. And they play gaea's blesseing to never deck themself.
Love to see Carl wearing a Pits and Perverts t shirt!
I'm from the US, so I wasn't familiar with the shirt or story. After reading about it, I'm glad that Carl wearing the shirt and your comment could fill me in on such a unique and empowering story.
is carl gay? i didnt know. thats amazing
@@ahkwaheart maybe he has a side hustle as a miner....
@@alexandertheok5624 If you can find the film Pride it's well worth a watch!
Where is food chain on there list I wonder?
elvish mystic, llanowar elf and fyndhorn elves are also druids, which makes them even better :D
Okay, so 7 and 9 were where my two picks for this list currently reside. I just remember the extended elfball deck that ran heritage druids and nettle sentinels to turn zero people.
most of the time I don't kill mana dorks because I find it better to destroy everything they play with the mana dorks & there is a limit to how much removal you can fit in most decks.
I find it interesting that Up the Beanstalk makes the list, but there is no Prime Time or Natural Order. To be fair, Top 5 lists are always tough, especially when biases, subjectivity, and a card pool, the size of which Jamin didn't manage to count in the opening somehow ;)
Big fan of making these into "story time" though, so I'm not going to complain :)
Jamin's channel segway is amazing!!
My favorite is probably Natural Order, but I've been playing canlander alot lately.
Love the dance around naming a competitor TCG store. 😂
My favourite green card is Mirri's Guile, the OG green divining top (Sort of).
Saw you guys at the paupergeddon! Hope you like lecco city and the event! Love u guys 💪🏻❤️
funnily enough tarmogoyf is a very good creature still in timeless, even when the format has show and tell and oko in it
I wish you would made like honorable mentions for: Craterhoof behemoth, Primeval titan, Natural order, rancor and Thragtusk. Green is color of creatures after all.
love the random talk at the end😂
I like the list and number 3 is still one of my favorites. I wonder if it would be too good for pioneer... 🤔
I cant get a good look at Carls shirt. Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
It's the shirt from the UK film Pride 👍
@CardmarketMagic cheers!
Big fan of number 5 :)
I know I'm late to this video, but my immediate thought in response to "What if Cardmarket was green instead of blue?" was "then they probably wouldn't be as good at getting you cards."
(Yes, I know in some situations green has more consistent card draw. My brain makes jokes on tropes, not always reality)
I was really missing Primeval Titan here until I saw all the other great suggestions here in the comments that didn't make it either. Must've been a tough choice.
But Tharmogoyf would just die if all graveyards are empty when you play it. So they had to make it x/x+1. That happens rarely in modern because so many people play fetch lands and a 1 mana instant or sorcery on their first turn etc., but it could still happen and would make Tharmogoyf really suck in that situation because it would just sit in your hand until something goes into a graveyard. It would also die if someone cracks a Relic of Progenitus etc. So I think it being x/x+1 is better. It's also really hard to kill with lightning bolt, because the toughness increases off lightning bolt if it is the first instant in a graveyard before the damage gets applied.
there is an US exclusive on, that is quite useful
is dyrad arbor colorless?
15:41 it's no longer good.... But there was a time LOL
Love the goyf, love the channel, love the oath - no love for Fastbond!? Come onnnn guys. I have one alpha card and its an hp copy of Fastbond
7:51 ahhh, the "Siege Rhino conundrum"
Jamin needs a raise or a bonus cuz that was the best subscribe lead in I've ever seen
"The famous combo Fireball Channel". Suspicious word order :P
I thought they would mention the cute little hermit Druid when they said one card combo 🥹
What about Gaea's Cradle?
Oath of Druids is powerful, but it was banned in most formats. Survival of the Fittest got more tournament wins back in the day. That’s the green card I have the most fond memories playing. Type 2, extended, legacy. Would be interested if they unban it in legacy one day. My playset it still waiting.
Also fastbond and natural order deserve to be in top 5 list.
Surprised that Once Upon a Time didn't make it into the list but then again it's not good enough to be banned in Legacy so maybe not. Still better than a vanilla 2 mana 4/5 lol. Nowadays we have 8/8 fliers for 2 mana that also pitch to force.
What about craterhoof
Im suerprised once upon a time wasnt mentioned. That card was wild when it was released
Hold up, why does Channel get you so many colourless?? It says you can pay 1 and get 1, not X...?????? A mountain and a lotus is still only 2 mana abilities, or am I missing some obtuse rule?
You can pay the 1 life to make one mana as many times as you want
yoooo 😲😲😲😲😲😲😲that's bonkers. i played casually for a decade and never knew that... @@CardmarketMagic
"Any time you could activate a mana ability" is not equivalent to "whenever you activate a mana ability." It means any time you could legally within the rules of the game activate a mana ability for the rest of the turn, you can instead do this. You choose the total mana cost for the spell (the regular cost for non-X spells like Emrakul) you want to cast before putting it onto the stack. Back in the day there were more specific timing rules about mana abilities (we had the card type Mana Source once upon a time before they all got errata to Instant) but these days you can add mana to your mana pool (by activating a mana ability) at nearly any time not specifically restricted by a card effect. What that functionally means is, unless something is specifically preventing you from activating a mana ability, you *always* "could activate a mana ability" so you can do it as many times as you want until you win or go to 0 (for the stylish seppuku).
@@kylegonewild thanks for the clarification dude. i wish i'd known that so many years ago, there was so many time i've played that effect wrong and my opponent didn't know either hahaha
my favourite colour since '99
I think The Great Henge and Sylvan Library deserved honorable mentions at least.
Beanstalk instead of Sylvan Library?
What does Carl's shirt say?
It's from a movie called Pride where a London gay community helps miners go on strike. It says "Pits & Perverts, Lesbians and Gay men Support the Miners". It's a weird shirt but a heartwarming film 😅
Add eternal witness and survival of the fittest to your deck. Honorable mention berserk.
Tarmagofy is here rather than Sylvan Library or Farseek or... Idk, _any_ staple/good stuff card? Lol
I agree that goyf shouldn’t be on the list, but how is it not a goodstuff staple? Its been a major player in modern, legacy, and even vintage midrange decks.
I’m just surprised fastbond wasn’t mentioned.
The channel joke was top-tier.
I'm honestly a little surprised that Protean Hulk isn't in the honorable mentions. Sure, the card itself isn't the busted part, but it's such a busted enabler for cheating stuff in. Thinking about in now, putting Flash Hulk in with Up the Beanstalk...oh man, that's just mean.
Top 5 Blue cards. Mishras' Factory, Powder Keg, Nevinyyral's Disk, Celestial Colonnade, and Tarmogoyf,
Deathrite shaman better show up in some other list. My assumption being the cards have to be mono-green for this list.
It's definitely the best elvish mystic.
No questing beast?
I haven't watched it yet, but there 100% is gonna be channel
Any chance you'll ever play vanguard?
Sylvan Library might not be number 1... but shouldn't it be on here somewhere?