That is a Terrible, Dumb Show! - Ep. 51 of Intentionally Blank
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- Brandon and Dan start off, as normal, with a food heist. Today’s twist, though, is that it’s a historical food heist centered around coffee! They then move their conversation back to musicals, both on the stage and in cinema.
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“Trivia that happened 400 years ago counts as academia,” is a glorious line.
He said 200 years but yeah, it's a great line
Great episode. Loved it. But the sea change that culminated in Hamilton...?????? Perhaps another future episode???
Will you be discussing Everything, Everywhere, All at Once on the podcast? Seems like it would be an interesting topic for your types of storytelling.
I LOVE ONCE MORE WITH FEELING!!! Right off the back I'm hooked!!!
the Ottoman Empire came into existence way before the 1600s and they first tried to invade Yemen in the 1500s and then a second time in the 1600s.
The original West Side Story was a great movie musical.
Does the original Muppet movie count as a movie musical?
It's weird to travel back in time to when Brandon isn't doing a Brandalf teaser.
Next week on Food Heist: Tea from China, a British man disguises himself as a Mandarin and sneaks into China.
Louis XIV the sun king, I only remember that title because of the old HBO show Encyclopedia made a song for him
One thing that bothers me about the Madonna version of Evita is that Eva sings Another Suitcase in Another Hall. Having Eva sing the part turns her into a victim rather than a steamroller who flattens everyone in her way.
I cannot wait for the Cats episode after watching this 😂
As a new broadway fan I would love to hear your opinions about the new musicals targeted at young adults like Hadestown, Be more chill, Six etc.
Hadestown is YA? I didn't think so. I feel like most of the broadway fanbase is YA these days in general just by the nature of theater kid culture, though.
HadesTown is pretty much the polar opposite of targeting YA. It’s popular in spite of being what it is, a musical adaptation of Greek mythology with folk music.
Cats IS so Amazing.... in that its so Amazingly BAD and if you go into it expecting to witness how terrible it is you are in for a good time. Its like watching The Room. You dont watch the room because its a good movie... You watch it because its a terrible movie... probably as bad as Scotchka would actually taste. It is so very rare that there are movies that are so bad that they end up being cult classics that are a must see for bad film viewers so Cats is in fact amazing
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that may be an american perspective. tom shippey has an interesting presentation on the subject, here is an excerpt:
'There was ambitious literary fantasy, mostly British. There was popular mass market fantasy, mostly American. What Tolkien did was make literary fantasy mass market, or if you prefer, he made mass market ambitious and literary.'
Uhuuu Brazil 🇧🇷
No Book of Mormon commentary???
One doesn’t experience self transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates ~ 🟥
Dan: this is 1600s
Brandon: So this is pre Ottoman Empire
Ottoman Empire: *excuse me*
Haha I was thinking this too
Brandon doesn't have pebbled ice in this episode.
I hope he's doing okay.
Sanderson is sort of the anti-George RR Martin. I’m glad to see him taking a break from writing. He’s earned it.
What break?
The podcasts and livestreams happend because he had time signing books
Were just not seeing it but hes writting with his feet
I greatly enjoyed how carefully Brandon avoided saying the Cats movie was good. Next week's gonna be a banger!
Oh my, I am a huge history nerd it seems because listening you two floundering about history really ground my gears: Louis 14th(yes he was called the Sun King and well known for expanding Frances borders, building the Versailles palace as means of controling the nobility and many other things as well), French revolution being ~70 years off(it was about 74~ and the one who got beheaded was Louis 16th who was great great great grandson of the Sun King), and whether Yemen was part of Ottoman Empire in the 16th and 17th centuries (yes it was, at least partically - the first Ottoman expedition happened in 1538, the 2nd in 1630s. Before that, there was another huge entity controlling huge swaths of Yemeni land - the Mamluk Sultanate of Egypt.)
Yes, that section also had me reacting more emotionally than I would have thought it should.
Just for some context on Ottomans that might give some clue about their status in the 1600s: they sacked/conquered Constantinople in 1453 and besieged Vienna in 1683. Both of which are rather important events in Christian/Western/European history. And both of which point to the fact that the Ottoman Empire did very much exist in the 1600s and it was quite the powerhouse. Two valuable events to remember when it comes to thinking about how Europe looked like at a given point in time.
With all this musical talk makes me wonder ; when are we getting our Warbreaker musical?
Brandon loves Joseph for reasons it's hard to elucidate. could it be that its a story about a storyteller who also has a head for business saving a country.
I always loved that Fiddler resonated with Japanese audiences so much. It had such a powerful effect on me as a Jewish child and it's really interesting to see other cultures feel the message the same way
I'm a Catholic Hispanic and it was a huge part of my childhood
Emperors Soul should be a theater production! Maybe now a musical…but idk someone might could make that work!lol
Brandon having strong associations with a Sun King and the number 14 makes the part of my brain associated with Stormlight theories scream "Sunmaker shard!! Sunmaker shard!!" even though it has no evidence 😂
More people need to talk about Brando's causal yet extensive knowledge of French history. Importantly for this episode there is a French Musical about the Sun King, and it is glorious.
Brandon had to endure Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.
Suddenly, I understand so much more about him!
I would highly recommend Hadestown as a musical to any fans of epic fantasy. A retelling of Orpheus and Eurydice, it has incredible music, lyrics, and themes.
That sounds like a great recommendation! Is there a recording of it anywhere?
@@monkpato there’s unfortunately no recording of the show itself, but you can listen to the cast recording as if it’s an album. Reading the Wikipedia article alongside might help you develop some imagery to go along with it. Hope you enjoy it!
@@brancellbooks thanks for the suggestion!
proposing at a musical that opens with a song about getting dumped is gutsy. glad it worked out for dan
Brandon, check out the musical "Something Rotten." You won't be disappointed!
Wow I haven’t heard this mentioned in a while, yeah I agree it’s a great musical
The coffee plant is amazing. It tricked humans into committing espionage to help it spread around the world!
I feel like all the adjectives Brando used to describe Cats really means he thinks it's so bad it's good type of thing. Oh and the youtuber Sideways has an excellent video all about the movie Cats. Highly recommend.
I recommend all of Sideways videos on the regular.
@@keepperspective agreed
Hahh haaah I really loved 7 brides for 7 brothers, we watched that almost every Christmas holiday & I could sing those songs 😀
Brandon and Dan talk about musicals? I may have just let out a very embarrassing fan girl squee!
I would love to see what Dan thinks of Great Comet, The Band's Visit, Hadestown AND Come From Away.
Edit: Dan loves Evita. HELL YEAH.
You're right Brandon, Cats is amazing and mesmerizing and a completely wonder we do not deserve. The utter blend of jaw dropping showmanship and complete incompetence - often in the same scene - compels you to never look away. Excited for your thoughts.
Cats felt like drugs
It IS a terrible dumb show... imagine having to grow up in Oklahoma where music class programs are ALWAYS about this stupid show, having to sing that damn song over and over.
I was gonna say, nobody really seems to actually enjoy Oklahoma EXCEPT everyone who is politically invested in Oklahoma
I truly love Oklahoma... until the intermission. Then it’s time to go home.
I have loathed it ever since it was forced on me multiple years in grade school.
I greatly enjoyed Cats, though I still will admit, it was also very strange.
Dan has a great voice, why not have an actual singing episode???
Coffee heist and history - what a great way to start a morning (as I sip my coffee). So you guys can write a musical called "The Brazilian Coffee Heist." :) Or maybe "The Things We Do for Coffee."
Hey Brandon, fellow author but not anybody important yet. I was wondering what your method is for releasing books. I grew up in Philadelphia and even after finishing writing some of my books, I'm not sure about the best way to go about getting them out there. I write mostly philosophy, science fiction, and fantasy. What is your best advice for getting yourself out there once you've completed your story? Get it edited or figure out how to publish it? How does one make a book of theirs become something relevant? How do you get your name/work out there in a relevant and healthy way?
Brandon has talked about this subject extensively, but I don't remember where exactly...
Listening to these two talk about musicals is about 1000 times more interesting than any musical I've ever seen
Same. Been to a few musicals and was so utterly bored. I mean literally the worst "entertainment" experiences on my life, just begging for it to be over. And they're like 3 hours long sometimes. They go on and on and on.
They're definitely geared towards women most of the time, the men there always look so horrifically bored.
Fun fact: single origin coffee from Yemen is still some of the most desirable coffee in the world amongst coffee snobs.
Halo The TV Series is such a terribly dumb show I didn’t make it past episode six before I cancelled my Paramount + subscription. Lol
I am so here for this. All day.
The coffee heist musical should be a la Something Rotten’s Omelet. They can call it “Beans!” - 🎶 What’s that coming out of Yemen? It’s Beans! 🎵
As a huge musical fan, this episode was great. I absolutely love Sondheim, and I do enjoy Andrew Lloyd Webber musicals. I completely agree with Dan Wells' thought on Webber. He is an excellent musician, but a terrible story teller. His best shows were based on preexisting stories, and the one time I watched a show that was also an original story was terrible.
That being said, I grew up on Phantom of the Opera, and it will always be my favorite show.
Let's put it this way: I had as much fun watching the Cats movie as I did watching The Room. It was a great time.
Right now my two favorite musicals are Hadestown and Natasha, Pierre and the Great Comet of 1812. If you're a fan of Les Mis, I'm guessing you'd like these ones as well.
I know Letters by heart but haven't seen the Great Comet
You know the Ottoman Empire existed before the 1600s, right?!
I never saw the Broadway play but the movie Joseph King of Dreams is in my top 5 movies of all time. It was an animated version of Joseph and the Technicolor Coat.
What about the new big boy on the block, Hamilton?!
Well that's definitely the first time I've heard anyone say anything positive about Cats, curious if he's thinking it's so bad it's good or genuinely good!
Any chance we can get the sources for that awesome coffee heist? I wanna make a PowerPoint about it haha
Warbreaker the musical could be great!
Would love to hear your thoughts on Better Call Saul soon, Dan. Get Brandon to watch it!
“I..uhm I think I am in the middle of something…”
Cannibal: The Musical is a masterpiece.
"The sky is blue, and all the leaves are green..."
I kinda wish they had a music heist...
Ottoman empire goes as far back as 1390ish. It was well established and very powerful at the time, but it never directly controlled all of arabia, and so by virtue of that yemen remained an independant state on the coast of hormuz.
My first was Madam Butterfly. At around age 6. Technically it was the final dress rehearsal.
Does opera actually count as a first musical?
My mum is a music teacher and she professionally plays violin and viola.
Mum was always in the pit.
No mention of Book of Mormon from two Mormons?! Seriously?!
It is a meme, but please make Warbreaker a Musical
Where do you folks stand on the "are Disney movies musicals" debate ?
I've watched this episode a few times and every time I'm blown away by how good Dan's singing was at the beginning.
Company is so amazing! Yay!
Very surprised Hamilton wasn’t discussed at all!
Did either of Brandon or Dan ever see a musical at Tuachan outdoor ampitheatre in western Utah?
I saw Joseph at Tuachan with one of the Osman's as Joseph. Great show and great background.
In fact my sister was a student at Tuacahn
They probably haven’t considering Tuacahn is in southern Utah near the Nevada border to the west
At my school we did a Seussical junior. It was definitely a Dr Seuss musical. (Just to be clear: I did not enjoy being in it at all)
I cannot wait to hear Brando Sando’s thoughts on Cats
Hadestown is the GOAT
Petition for Dan Wells the Musical
Peter was Tevye in his high school production, and Karen was Golda in hers. I told them this is why they have three girls.
Judging from Brando Sando's comment about Joseph not being too blasphemous makes me suspect he's not a fan of Book of Mormon. That's too bad, but I can see why.
I have actually wondered for a long time what the more secular Mormon thinks of the Musical Book of Mormon. I live in a country where there barely are any but I would understand if they weren't fans of if as well.
100% agree with O Brother Where Art Thou!!!!
Stormlight the Musical?
Kandin singing about his angst is a mood. (Imagine a choir of Syl giving him wall of sound harmonies as he sings about his angst….)
Ahh man I really wish they brought up phantom of the paradise by Brian De Palma. That is an amazing musical film and it’s one you guys should definitely watch.
I'm currently reading Oathbringer :) then maybe I will go to Elantris, or maybe Rhythm of War.
If Elantris is already on your reading list, I would say do it next, then RoW! Oathbringer has a fantastic ending, and there’s a year gap in-world before Rhythm of War starts. Also there are some Elantris-related Easter eggs sprinkled in RoW, so keep an eye out for that!
Oh boy, a full episode about Cats. that will be something.
Best thing that came out of Cats is a good joke in Chip n' Dale, Rescue Rangers.
No mention of Hamilton? Probably one of the greatest musicals of the last decade.
I was waiting for a Hamilton reference too!!!
I believe the coffee was only allowed to be taken out of Yemen once the beans were roasted, thus killing any possibility of growing plants from them. And why we drink it the way we do...
Dan. I was really expecting you to say Follies is your favorite. People are rabid with saying Follies is better over Company.
Edit: Dan. Sir. They lowered all the keys for Evita. To film in Argentina they had to remove all the negative political bits and saintified the Perons. You shocked me with this. Sir. I am revoking your musical snob card.
Hold up, the Mikado is totally about British culture and it's mocking British and Western culture and their appropriation of Japanese and "far east" culture.
this is a great show
Came to say that Jerry Bock wrote the music to Fiddler, his other BIG musical? She Loves Me, which is a pretty good musical in itself.
looked up anime and got this
wait wtf brandon sanderson has a youtube channel???????????
iirc, coffee arrived in Colombia in 1836? and it was 100 years later when it started being exported.
I just watched Six for the first time and was (almost physically) blown away.
I was introduced to almost all of my musicals through old movies or stage recordings and rarely got to see any live-it gives a curious impression of distance.
So you don’t like Oklahoma…but Cats is amazing…
Uh-huh.
I had always thought that the word for "something from Yemen" was "Yemenite." Never new that Yemeni was a word.
Ottoman Empire was definitely started before the 17th century
You both need to watch the Key and Peele Les Mis parody it's on My a few minutes and it's pure genius.
Whoa can't believe this guy ripping on Shrek the Musical.
Ever the multi-tanker! No wonder Brandon gets so much done!
I played the Pharaoh in Joseph my senior year of High School. We also got to see it on Broadway.
I wonder if Brandon had been listening to some Musicalsplainin.
Char wrote a song about a Canadian maple syrup heist....
"No one loves Oklahoma"
As an Oklahoman, that's fair.
Cats... Amazingly horrible?
Lol, that is my bet. I can imagine watching that ironically (I have not seen it, but have heard enough) and enjoying tearing into it. . .
Amazing in the way Dan described Cats earlier? Amazing spectacle but no substance?
Our school set The Mikado in a fantasy land to avoid the racial issues.
Oh, no, they're gonna talk about Cats next time.
Ngl I thought the title was going to refer to the book of mormon 😅
Speaking of musicals, is SA one?