I have already ranted in the comments of your previous videos about how I feel about DC as a whole and what my favorite runs are. Instead I will throw a few points of opinion in an itemized fashion on why this sucked/failed. 1. No one wanted this story they want something closer to what drew them in at their start as a reader. 2. This did not appeal to a lot of if any new readers period. 3.Jessica and Simon did not get enough of their own time before the introduction of teen lantern and Jo Mullins. The Sam Humphries run was a good start that was undercut by Tim Seely’s bad writing after. (Side note I used to like Sam as a person now I do not.) 4. John Stewart deserved better this was his time to shine as a leader of lanterns again not aNewgods/Ion ripoff. Venditti did it better. 5. The power battery has already been destroyed countless times. It will always come back try a new idea. 6. You should never admit your personal bias against a character, (Hal), when doing interviews about your upcoming book it turns certain fans away before you begin. 7. I’ll make this my last point even though I could list 100 easy. You will never be able to appeal to every fan and I think he knew this going in, with that said you should never attempt to undercut central ideas of an intellectual property just to try and show how “creative” you are. You don’t need to fundamentally change core aspects of the lantern mythos to make a good comic book. Give the hero or team a good villain with an interesting motivation and work your story around how these characters overcome and adapt to their situation. Not every story needs to be the downfall of the corps or change the status quo. If you made it this far thank you for hearing me out. I’m a huge lantern fan. One of the biggest and I hate this crap.
I met Sam at a con and he was an ass. I had him sign a few book and he looked like it genuinely pained him. He said a total of 5 words and scowled the whole time. 1 of 2 occasions where I lost all respect for a comic book creator by meeting them.
I’m more of a casual Green Lantern I read them every now and again but I totally agree with that 3rd point. I was just getting into those two characters when the newer ones got introduced.
While you are free to rant and I agree with 99% of your points though the last one could be a little different too. Letting writers get creative can be a double edged sword but you don’t know until they flex that muscle. Something interesting can happen or otherwise we wouldn’t have got what we’ve got to build upon in the first place you know. Something to think about. His ideas wasn’t bad but it was the implementation and DC’s meddlesome antics that caused more of the crash
This run was doomed the minute he expressed his disdain of Hal Jordan. Hal is the most popular Lantern, you’re not gonna win any fans dogging him out in interviews. It’s okay to dislike a character, but there’s a way to express that without turning readers off. Just tell readers you’re going in another direction and Hal won’t be the focus of this run. Instead, Thorne came off as arrogant and unlikable. He would have been better off not saying anything about Hal at all.
I didn’t even give Thorne the chance to Disappoint me. As soon as I read he hated Hal Jordan I was out. Hal is the greatest Green Lantern of all time. Sometimes it feels like Geoff Johns was the only person who understood and appreciated this. Any body have some good GL stories to recommend?
How unfortunate he shares his name with Geoff Johns. Now whenever one talks about the worst Green Lantern run, we have to specify the "Bad Geoff" not the Good Geoff. The big red flag for me was hearing Geoff's anti-white hatred, when he expressed disdain for Hal, and made clear when seeing the three Lanterns he focused on.
Hal simply IS GL. I love John and Guy, but they’re secondary characters most of the time. I’m all for them having their own arcs, but really Hal should take center stage most of the time. Kyle I’m okay with but not a huge fan of him; the only reason he exists was as part of a decision that never should have been made: the decision to turn Hal evil. The ones that came after Kyle all seem like they were invented just for racial and sexual bean counting - quotas for fictional characters.
Kyle is a more interesting character than Hal. Sorry but Hal should have stayed the spectre or gone onto the after life. It is like WWE constantly pushing older stars like Goldberg Iver young talents like Finn Balor. It is moving backwards. True turning Hal evil in the first place was dumb but saying the other earth lanterns are secondary is bloody insulting to them. Was Hal the GL of JL TAS? No. Was Hal a member of JLI and the Morrision JLA run? No. Those 3 have more than proven they are just as good as Hal if not better.
@@florbfnarb7099 Marv Wolfman and Perez killed Barry Allen in the first crisis and No one bloody complained! In fact they all complained when Barry came back. Why? Because it came at the expense of Wally West!
@@zemox2534 - No, “they all” didn’t complain. And Barry dying didn’t happen at a time when people work working hard to get rid of and replace as many older characters as possible, like is happening now.
As for Thorne's GL run, I've seen a lot of his changes to the lore done MULTIPLE TIMES over the years. And done FAR better. I also didn't feel that Thorne ever really understood the John Stewart character like he claimed he did. On the Jo Checkmark half of the run I found myself skimming through her pages on several issues do to lack of interest. Not having Hal front and center killed it obviously.
@Ryan Wilson It is noteworthy that of ALL the current human GLs, the 5 POC characters all have dialogue and purpose in his run. NONE of the 3 caucasian characters do. Coincidence?
@Ryan Wilson All of his DC work (GL, DC Digital Vixen title, Milestone's Blood Syndicate) and as far as I can tell of his Marvel work is just writing Black characters.
Green Lantern is one of my favorite characters. The first complete series I ever collected were Geoff Johns GL and Tomasi GL Corps series. I even enjoyed the New 52 Era Green Lantern and spin-off series. Great video, Wes.
Geoff sounds like a nice guy on perch’s channel, but destroying the GL corps in the first issue and focusing on Jojo and teen lantern for half the book was not great. This is what someone should do after a few years normal GL stories.
Haven’t read GL since Vendetti’s run. Terrible art poor use of the characters and to just put Kyle and Guy in the garbage was criminal. Kyle was consistently de powered since the white lantern ring broke (which we are still waiting an answer for). Guy is in lala land and hasn’t had a solid character arc since Vendetti’s run.
@@AtomizedSound "popular" like " fan favorite hero America Chavez" lol it's all just marketing. Far Sector wasn't bad, actually, but Jo Mullein isn't a popular character.
@@AtomizedSound Then please explain why her character is so unlikable in the Geoffrey Thorn run? Why does she come across as so obnoxious and annoying when she lectures seasoned veteran lanterns in issue 8 for crying out loud (even though she is still a rookie)
I did read this and I did not hate it. I do feel my biggest issue was the pacing of the story. However, for me it was nice to finally get a little more insight into some of the lanterns I don't know too much about. I thought it was great to get a story with Jon Stewart as the main character but, I wish that Gardner, Rayner and Jordan has a bigger role because it felt like there were a few gaps where they could have filled in quite well.
I am baffled at his hate for Hal Jordan (seriously there are far worse characters - Squirrel Girl comes to mind). But he didn’t disrespect the character and many other writers now wouldn’t do that.
Too many characters without developing them. Jo, Keli, John, Hal, Simon and Jessica, all of them didn't have enough spotlight. I'm still angry they killed off many lesser known GL Corps at the start of the series, like Arisia, Isamot Kol, Vath Sarn, Morro and so on. As someone who became a big Lantern fan after reading Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night, this state is so sorry.
He knee capped Hal Jordan and took away all his development that other writers had put in for decades. Hal is now back to square one as a Lantern and it makes no sense
Personally my problems with this book was mostly the destruction of the green lantern corp central battery again and setting up the terrible future state status quo but set in the present day, but also getting rid of jessica Cruz one of my favorite green lanterns and making her a yellow lantern which is the last I ever wanted for that character. The final thing I didn't like about this book was well it was boring nothing made sense and it felt like there was a clear direction on what was going on with the rest of the corp at least in my opinion.
@@naquingreen1603 that's true and you're right about that and honestly I am all on board for future state never coming to pass or being reference ever again.
Even though Thorne was trying to do something new (apparently), I found his Green Lantern boring and hard to finish. One problem was that I found I didn't really care about the characters. I thought Teen Lantern was annoying, and just a stupid concept in general. Jo Mullen seemed pretty generic with nothing special about her, or any reason to care about her. Also, she had a horrible design. You know what modern Green Lantern was unique until now? Jessica Cruz. The concept of a Green Lantern with an anxiety disorder is brilliant! It highlights that willpower has nothing to do with feeling fear, but rather overcoming fear with willpower. Such a cool concept! And then Geoffrey Thorne makes her a Yellow Lantern.... aargh!
Let's not forget another thing that sucks about this series was that Kyle Rayner is now missing in action with no concrete explanation about what happened to him after the battery exploded leaving him stranded in space and Guy Gardner supposedly died in the Human Target series I know that's Black Label but according to DC anything that there publishing now is happening and not out of continuity.
I’m starting to see why Marvel and DC hire the creative teams that they do. Because I see if they hire writers who knew the lore and respect the properties. These stories wouldn’t see the light of day.
Green Lantern is my favorite franchise (in fact the character saved my life) and I've spent the past dozen years writing and podcasting about it. That said, this is the worst Green Lantern run in the history of the characters. This series was in trouble as soon as Geoff Thorne's opinions about the characters and his John Stewart fanboyism were put on display. DC certainly bears considerable blame for this book, the lion's share of criticism lies directly at Thorne's feet. Marco Santucci's art was a bright spot, but the pacing, recycled tropes and the rest of the art sunk it. For all of Thorne's disdain for the "chosen one" trope and making some Green Lanterns more special than other, he's done exactly that himself. He'll sidestep the criticism by pointing out that John Stewart is no longer a Green Lantern, but you'd have a hard time convincing readers, and DC itself, that he isn't. In fact just this week they referred to him as Green Lantern in "Death of the Justice League". By putting emphasis on characters like Teen Lantern, Simon Baz and Jo Mullein and sidelining loved characters like Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner Thorne alienated fans who have been disenfranchised by DC's flooding of the franchise with diversity bingo characters at the expense of the ones readers actually want to read about. We can only hope that DC pulls their head out of their ass and at the other side of Dark Crisis lies a Hal Jordan centric Green Lantern book, a Green Lantern Corps series anchored by Kyle and Guy, and an anthology series akin to "Green Lantern Corps Quarterly" that highlights the rich cast of characters that make the Green Lantern Corps what it is.
DC is mostly to blame my friend overall. The editorial decisions there fell flat and a horrible creative oversight. I doubt we will ever go back to the many titles we had a decade ago or so. Those days are probably over for now but we will see. I think a different book with all the Earth Lanterns is smart and then bring the colored corps back and let that be woven into the thread again too.
Not since Kings Batman have I been so annoyed by a comic, mainly because I was super hyped listening to him talking about it on Perch’s channel before it launched. It was pitched as a John Stewart comic, then Jo & Teen Lantern took over half the comic, I dropped it after 7 issues, totally because of Jo & Teen Lantern, I wanted a John story.
The irony is that Thorne set up a cool matchup between Guy Gardner and Lobo in a GL Future State backup story. I would love to see that fight, but we never got it. Oh well.
i've said this before. the problem with both dc and marvel is people don't want to be force fed these characters. they can have their own popularity seperate. sure x23 is cool. and miles is okay. but miles is NOT spiderman. and x23 is NOT wolverine. and same applies to dc. they can do this with naomi or the green lantern girl but they're not coming about it naturally and people don't care about these characters. hell, when i see these aweful characters, all i think is... this is a good character to use in ryona pieces as a punching bag while showcasing a better character. and as lanterns go, i'm personally a kyle rayner fan, which dc has done nothing but shit on since hal got back. and that makes me sad as a lantern fan.
TLDR: a Mary Sue hacked thr Green Lantern Corp and became one while Intellectual Level of Batman and Lex Luthor haven't because of Back water Technologies of Earth while This Crap of a Character hack it via laptop seriously ?! DC this sucks
I was really intrigued by the concept of the Far Sector series and found the art to be phenomenal. The story, however, was terribly boring and I dropped it after a few issues as well. Green Lantern has just not been good since the end of Venditti’s run. Not even Morrison’s run was enjoyable.
I don't think taking the focus away from Hal Jordan and giving some great stories to other Lanterns would be a terrible idea. Geoff Thorne's run is not that.
I think I didn't give this series a chance because I saw the cover art for a few issues, one was the Jo Mullens character in her pjs on the couch texting someone. Couldn't take it seriously. And wtf was that art at 4:12?
Get woke go broke. Hopefully he never touches GL ever again. I would love to see Jeff lemire back and his backup story in that death metal tie in with hal and sinestro was so good.
Let's be honest. The GL franchise has been slowly going hill ever since the failure of the live action film. They didn't put GL in the JL film, Tom King ruined Guy Gardner, Kyle has been M.I.A for some time and the corp lost their power battery (again). And to top it off, they Geoff Thorne actually had the nerve to reboot the entire lore of the Green Lantern franchise. They need to get rid of Thorne and get someone to clean up this mess.
@Zemo X2 If you think that's bad the upcoming Green Lantern Corps series for HBO Max might get cancelled due to the Warner-discovery merger (just like the now cancelled wonder twins movie) Hopefully they rebuild it from the ground up and move it to the movies instead
@Zemo X2 I hope that the Green Lantern Corps HBO Max series does get cancelled because it was said to be just like Watchmen the series which wasn't good
There are no bad characters just bad writers and Geoff is a bad writer, pushing Hal, Kyle and Guy to the side was such a bad idea, no one will miss Geoff
The only thing I dislike about Teen Lantern of how she was introduced as "The Genius kid that hacked the Green Lantern power battery"(cause child prodigies like Riri Willaims, Nadia van Dyne and Red Locust were such well like characters) it was a lie by Bendis and see her origins in Bolivia. But after all of that Bendis didn't do anything with that after, Teen Lantern to me is just a bland character in Bendis' Young Justice(that Bendis' writing for ya). I feel the only time that Teen Lantern was flesh out as a character was in Future State and I founded out today it was written by Joise Campbell which is embarrassing for Geoff Thorne(I'm still concern about Campbell's Shazam comic but I'll give it a chance I don't care about her superman show) Maybe Thorne should've expand the history about the dead Green Lantern that gave Keli the Gauntlet, why does he have it? what does does want Keil to do with the gantlet? How the Guardians didn't know about the dead green lantern or what sector he's from and why he was killed by a normal bullet.(Jesus Bendis, a Green lantern killed by a normal gun? Bennnndis!) or give Keli character development. *Si Spurrier's Green Lantern shouldn't be on Round Robin, DC should've Greenlight that comic in a comic series mandatory! DC can drop 1(or a few ongoing for other heroes) batman title*
I've read the first two issues of this run (or maybe only the first issue? I don't remember) and it came across as just plain and boring. It didn't help that the main premise of the story was destroying Central Power Battery. Green Lanterns without the thing that makes them Green Lanterns? Not really into that. Maybe if it was written by the other writer named Geoff. But even then I'm not entirely convinced.
It took DC literally decades to clean up the damage the first time a writer wrote that story, and that time it was a certified legend in Steve Englehart. If it caused DC grief when Englehart did it, the results will be even worse with a lesser writer like Thorne.
Checked out the first issue of Future State: GL and felt the same way. Depowering a hero is usually a dead end. At the very least a writer has to earn the right to tell that story by showing using it to show something about the character we didn't know or making them grow. By definition, we already knew the lanterns had the willpower to face down evil without their power rings. Otherwise they never would have gotten them.
I have been a GL fan since early 1990s, in fact, mostly a DC fan overall. GL is my favorite; actually, I didn't like Kyle, but Ron Marz wrote such a great story and the art was solid (Banks and Pelletier of note): I was consumed with that book till the end, still obsessed. So, I wanted to give Thorne a chance, despite the banter, as he took over the title; I wanted to like it. I wanted a great GL story, I didn't get it. The good: Thorne took the story back to OA and we got to see the Central Battery and the Guardians, in more traditional garb even! Loved that part. He gave us many space adventures, which GL fans typically like. Also, seeing John Stewart take a prominent role was a nice touch, he is a great character with many ideas to explore, as Mosaic was fascinatingly dynamic. We saw Sinestro, always a plus. Issues #1 and #2 got my attention. The death of a Guardian and the rituals were interesting and seemed to overall to fit. The bad: The art was just a distraction from the tale, it was terrible: cartoonish with big heads. John 'ascending' was too similar for me to Kyle and the Ion storyline. Teen Lantern was uninteresting, over the top and didn't add anything. Hal was sidelined, a bad call. Hal playing second fiddle to Jo felt awkward and wrong. The story seemed disjointed and not so fluid. Also, no real action for: Kyle, Guy, or Alan. The ugly: Jo Mullein lecturing the seasoned GL Corps in issue #8 was just too much, for me. (Her exchange with, Iolande, the princess of Betrassus, Lantern of sector 1417. ) Example: "Dial all this back down to one and start acting like Green Lanterns." And count how many times she said the word "I" in just a few pages: 1) "Like I don't have enough on my plate." 2) "This is who I am" 3) I'm the entire Green Lantern Corps..." 4) "I didn't ask for it." 5) "I damned sure didn't want it." 6) "But I'm the one doing it because..." 7) "I was the only one..." 8)"I got the United Planets..." 9) "I had them bring you..." 10) "I'm the one keeping every enemy..." 11&12) "What I'm doing, I'm doing for you." Although, I do realize Iolande questioned who Jo is, her response was too preachy, too much. Too self important. The reason this rant and situation was so bothersome to me is the GL stories have always made a point to show that lanterns are such, with or without a ring. It is their fight, their resilience and their will that pulls them through, the ring is only a tool. Simply having the ring doesn't give her cause to treat them so poorly. Here, she didn't rally the troops, she talked down to them. It felt politically motivated and forced. The whole episode seemed like a gimmick to get a spotlight on Jo, which she already had in her book, Far Sector. This is Green Lantern, this was a prime chance to tell a great story with many iconic elements spanning the cosmos yet the twelve issue run just fell short. I was not really impressed, and I sorely wanted to be.
Jojo's design and name were enough to make me roll my eyes and skip this entire predictable affair. The Hal Jordan hate I found out about later just confirmed it.
The crazy thing is they went through Rebirth of GL, the War of Light and then Blackest Night and that all got thrown right in the trash with the new 52.
I think it's possible to make Jojo or Teen Lantern work as characters, but it would take some special effort. So the problem isn't focusing on them so much as it is focusing on them *without* making them more interesting/likeable. Too much of comics prioritizes big plot points over character development, when in reality those big plot points only feel meaningful if a writer has made the involved characters compelling and interesting.
8:51 Hal Jordan was the one who bring the god damn Justice League to the final battle, on the climax of the arc. Lead the offensive and at the end, figure it out how the reestructuration of the corps works, creating again the rings and so. For a writer that hates a character, makes no sense right? Or maybe the focus on the "hates the character" is what makes no sense 🤔
Hal was barely in the story at all. He only briefly appeared at the final battle and it ended up with him being depowered just so John could be the strongest. Thinking Critical is pretty spot on. Maybye you should reflect on why it bugs you so much.
The whole crux of this run was "WHO DESTROYED THE CENTRAL POWER BATTERY????". Except... we've seen the Central Power Battery get destroyed countless times and it was always rebuilt no problem. It really annoyed me that no one bothered to rebuild the battery while SOME Lanterns went to investigate the explosion. Also, I absolutely confused as to why Perch kept sticking up for Geoff. Geoff's run will probably go down in GL history as one of the worst run, but Perch swears up and down that Thorne had a plan and that the story was going somewhere.
I will be honest here. I thought Geoff's run had some potential at the beginning, but quickly went off the rails. Despite being knowledgeable in DC lore and attempting to tie it together it came off as overly derivative and collapsed in the end. I'm sorry, but how many times has the GL Corps been decimated and the Guardians killed off? I can't keep reading if DC is going to repeat themselves this often.
I’m a Hal guy. My son could recite the oath before he started kindergarten. Why DC thinks it’s fashionable to crap on Hal every few years is beyond me. GL is DC’s sci fi King Arthur. I proudly have a complete silver age run of GL and so much of DC’s modern mythology is built off of things that happened in Hal’s original run. How is Hal not cool enough? The guy is somewhere between Maverick and Indiana Jones with a power ring. He is a character built for adventure whether you play him flawed or not. DC needs to quit the self hate and quit breaking their own IP.
Green Lantern has long been my favorite character, used my allowance for an old school by mail subscription in the late 1970s that I still have, all well worn from being read over and over. I was dabbling about getting back into comics, and largely returned to having a pull list solely because of Geoff Johns masterful revival of Hal Jordan. Have every crossover issue of Blackest Night and Brightest Day, and basically every Green Lantern-related title since. Kilowog is probably my second favorite, but John Stewart has been fleshed out into a worthy and great Green Lantern in his own right. However, here he doesn't trust John Stewart as Green Lantern, he takes that away and tries to make him something else entirely. I don't actually completely hate this run, but it never all quite works either. And yes, the wildly inconsistent artwork is often very bad. I do respectfully disagree about Far Sector, I very much enjoyed that series as something different only tangentially related to being a Green Lantern story. However, I agree that Jo's character was built fully outside the normal Green Lantern mythology and did not make sense to bring into the fold as a standard member of the GL corps. The character absolutely feels out of place in this story. Teen Lantern is just an annoying character that gets dropped after all the build up, while being an excuse to turn a decent character in Simon into a glorified, neutered babysitter. I actually have no problem with it being time for a John Stewart-centric run, but here he's never really actually a Green Lantern and then by the end is this weird "Emerald Knight", like they didn't trust John's character to take the mantle of Green Lantern forward. So ultimately I personally find this run disrespectful to the John Stewart character and that was very disappointing.
The best thing that happened to Green Lantern was bringing back Razor from the animated series to Young Justice. Like why not just add him to the comics, that would actually get me to buy a comic from DC.
@@Wes_From_TC aww damn I've always liked her design and I wouldn't mind reading more about her in a GL ongoing kinda why I picked up the future state GL book
Remember when DC got pissy and fired Dwayne McDuffie from Justice League after he informed fans how much his run was restricted/mandated/changed by DC? Hope current management isn't that petty.
I got two issues in and removed it from my pull list. The characters just didn't interest me. Like many are saying, it just felt like it was trying to get away from many of the things that make Green Lantern great. I loved the Grant Morrison run, getting back to that "Space Cop" feel. I really enjoyed that, I felt like it was getting back to the core of the Green Lantern theme. Also, loved Geoff John's run on GL; he made it fun and epic, and obviously knows what we fans live about the GL idea as a whole.
Stupid? Sucked? Horrible? The art was crap? Green Lantern artists? There’s no such thing as a Green Lantern artist. Just artists that draw Green Lantern. This verbiage leaves me waiting for the critical thinking to commence. This is a rant because you don’t see what you want, not a true breakdown of what you want to see and what you know is a great story and truly articulate that. What we get is it sucks, Geoff hates HAL Jordan so he’s doesn’t know what he’s doing, Tom Raney art sucks…. When people would show me reviews on stuff like this, I always question what’s really going on here. This isn’t Critical Thinking. This is a rattle banging complaint. “I WANT MY MTV!” Come on. Let’s do better here. Did you explain the story to the layman that may have missed it? What sucked about the story? Why can’t these other Lanterns be a part of a new sifting of the series rebooting the GL universe? What was so haphazard about it? So many questions. So many answers that will never be answered. So much ranting. Chsnge this channel to Critical Rant. I’ll respect it more.
Hal Jordan is the greatest Green Lantern of all time. He is way better than Alan Scott ever was, and no other Green Lantern that has ever come after him can duplicate his greatness. All that they can do is just imitate him. Anyone who doesn't like Hal Jordan is not a real Green Lantern fan. Anyone who says that they have never liked Hal Jordan was never a Green Lantern fan in the first place to begin with. The only reason that DC Comics writers write Hal Jordan like a shitty character now is because he is a straight white male. Soy woke S.J.W.s hate his character like they hate Guy Gardner, so they push characters like John Stewart to try to force Political Correctness. It doesn't matter if they get so salty that don't want to show a white character beating a black character. They can cry racism all that they want to. Hal Jordan has been the main Green Lantern ever since the late 1950s, and nothing is going to stop him from being the focus of the Green Lantern Corps. Call him "boring" all that you want to. Superman is still the gold standard who sets the benchmark. Batman perfected the standard. Wonder Woman refined that perfection. The Silver Age Green Lantern is a product of that. Get over it.
Flaws in your logic guy, but that is what you think. Nothing defines a “fan” first of all for who likes what Lantern. It’s subjective as it comes. Sounds like you are just angry and if it ain’t your way it’s no way type of person with high ideals but of the wrong method. No, just non
We had all these worlds and cultures around the other lanterns but now it’s all collapsed as on Oa and now instead of central power batteries revolving around a specific corps we have a generic multicolored source
I apricate how you are being fair on where Thorne went wrong and where Dc went wrong. I also can appreciate Thorne for coming out and telling us this for it makes constructive criticism easier when you know who did what. Here some of my thoughts on what I have seen. 1) I do believe he was trying to fix Teen lantern, but he did not succeed. 2) I can understand the issue with having to many human lanterns, granted this problem really exploded after simon baz and Jessica cruz. I believe Thorne side stepped the issue by having them removed from play rather than killed. That is something I can appreciate. 3) It is easy to see from this why having all these Dc events , or a event, can mess up a story. Especially under these circumstances. 4) there were good ideas but over all it was bad. This in no way excuses the story quality, but I will give credit where it is due. Thank you for the video.
I love GL. DC went from having two excellent GL books in Rebirth to having nothing worth buying. I was disappointed in the Morrison run, stayed away from Far Sector, and have stayed away from this run as well. I don’t understand why DC quit on Rebirth. Fans were happy, I certainly was. I found myself wanting to buy too many comics. Now it’s hard for me to find a couple good ones to support my comic book store. I don’t understand DC’s decisions sometimes…
I have no problem with Hal Jordan not being in something. Write whoever you want to write, but just do it well. That's the nuts & bolts of this, it was a poorly written story overall. And this is just my feeling, I don't think there was ever any intention on DC's end for this run to go past 12 issues. So I don't think this "abruptly" ended. 12 issues was the plan all along, they just didn't tell the consumer. I liked the first couple of issues, although it leaned heavily on Star Wars. That's been a thing ever since the movie, I guess (even though the GLC came before Star Wars & more than likely influenced that, along with Jack Kirby's 4th World, but I digress). Then it started to devolve into Future State, which I absolutely HATED, so nothing good could have come from that. The destruction of the battery, yeah, we've seen this all before. But you could say the same for all the "wars" in the Batman title. How many Joker Wars, Bane taking over Gotham, yadda yadda yadda have we seen time & time again in the past 5-10 years? The writers are basically just regurgitating what's come before, Thorne is no different. He just did it more poorly. The inclusion of Jo Mullein, Teen Lantern & Simon Baz were missteps. I really like Baz on his own. And I'm sure Mullein & Teen Lantern on their own, could be good as well. But to shoehorn them all in just spelled disaster. Then adding Jessica Cruz to the mix? Ugh vey. Too many ingredients to this failed recipe. Whether it was DC's decision or not to include Mullein, it was Thorne's decision in what capacity she was used. I would venture to say if he would've used Fatality as John's partner in all of this, and just made Mullein a minor character within the story, things would've been better overall. Maybe. This was pretty bad, so I'm not sure what really could have fixed this. At least we'll get some cool action figures of John from this.
I hated this run; I put it down in the middle of an issue and never went back. The storytelling was a confusing mess and I hated the completely unrepresentative covers on every issue
As a GL fan since Geoff Johns run sad he created such a rich history just for everybody to ignore? Where are my epic battles between the various lantern groups? Where the hell is Atrocitus? At least Sinestro had one good issue but then disappeared? Where are my bad ass lanterns? Instead we got an annoying teenager? Such a fall from grace!
Why are these awful hairstyles and 80s esque clothing designs so popular now? They suck. They removed the battery? Why? Protagonists need flaws and weaknesses. Recharging the ring adds an element of danger, the possibility of failure.
It was going to suck as soon as it was announced. They ignored established characters that people have spent decades reading. A Lantern book with no Hal and/or Kyle isn't going to work for me. Stop trying to replace original characters. Bring back Elseworlds if they want to do stories with different races or sexes as the lead.
I was going to wait til the trade came out as Perch had good things to say about this series.. But after everything I've heard about it in the last while, I don't think I'll bother.
I got into GL through Kyle Rayner. A half-Hispanic artist who saves the world using the power of his will and imagination, sign me up! Then I followed Hal Jordans, John Stewarts and Guy Gardeners storylines. Couldn't get into Simon Baz very much, Jessica Cruz always has a downer feel but is hot right now because of her animated debut on Justice League Legion and DCSHG. Jo Mullen still has potential. A good storyline would be to have her as a GL "intern" learning the ropes through Kilowog, Jordan, Tomar-Re and Stewart
Far Sector was a top 20 _Superhero_ Graphic Novel on ICv2 from October (release) through December 2021. This is much better than most DC releases. Why DC editorial would think that their shared brain cell could do a better job writing a character -- *created by a writer with better book sales than anything they have put put the last few years* -- is the superpower of collective Delusion.
7:49 ok, this "he hates Hal Jordan" thing I think you're emphasizing too much, and you even say you don't quite know why. Thorne in an interview said that his "hate" for Jordan is because for him, his story arc that transformed him into Parallax was the pinnacle of the character, therefore, making him a hero again seems cheap, since he believes that Jordan did things from which to redeem himself is almost impossible. However, I would like to point out that before Thorne, there were 2 seasons of Morrison writing Hal Jordan and before that there was Venditti? Books in which Hal Jordan was the main character, regardless of the leading role of the other human Lanterns, including Stewart at the head of the Corp. The point is that Jordan DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN FRONT AND IN THE LEAD of each and every one of the story arcs Green Lantern, especially if he was for the previous 5 years. In other words, this point is quite detachable, especially since emphasizing the "hatred" towards the character is quite cheap too lol
First off people hated emerald twilight and what it did to Hal. It’s funny how people who hate Hal always try to use that against him, saying he was only as good as a villain when it simply isn’t true. I doubt this racist has read a single Hal book. He’s just saying the usual crap. Second Hal is extremely crucial to green Lantern. All the villains are his, including the most iconic one, and honestly Most people grew up with him. For example I’m 19 years old and along with flash he was my gateway into comics. Third Venditi’s run was just Hal. It had Kyle, Guy, and John too where they all pretty much had tune to shine. Fourth of all John Stewart specifically is not important whatsoever, he doesn’t even have any good stories. He just acts as the token GL. That’s it.
@@CoolCATs2814 thats not the point im making, genious...The emphasis on "Thorne dislike/hate the character" makes very little sense when on the one hand, it comes from the point of view of a longtime fan of the character and on the other hand, Jordan ended up having a fairly prominent and defined role towards the end of the story arc.
@@cooldude722 First of all who are you calling racist? Thorne? me? What part of all this makes you feel like someone is being racist? Maybe at your 19 years you don't have much more to do than blurt out an idiotic offense before you start making pointless arguments. Why mention Venditti's run to me if it reinforces MY POINT that Hal Jordan has had more than enough prominence in the last 5-10 years of GL stories? Use your head to answer lol. Especially to say that Stewart doesn't matter. Go read his arc in Jim Starling's Cosmic Odyssey, go read his arc in Mosaic, go read his arc in the Green Lantern Corps comics from 2011 onwards, go read his role and his arc in the Justice League by Scott Snyder...or maybe re-read Venditti's Green Lantern comics, I don't know how you're capable of saying such nonsense if you paid any kind of attention to Stewart's role (as well as Kyle and Guy alongside Jordan) in those stories. Anyway, this is what channels like this cause, with their content mostly full of hate and negativity, a bunch of uneducated people who have no idea what they are debating like you
Spot on analysis of a terrible run. Thorne just doesn’t understand what made Johns run so iconic: the interactions between the Hal, Kyle, Jon and Guy and their contrasting personalities. Instead we get bland personality free lanterns, plus Keli being Scrappy Doo. Constantly saying Jo is the greatest detective doesn’t make it so, show the great detective work. On second thought, no don’t. It belongs in Batman, not Green Lantern.
This vid is so sharp here on multiple fronts … I’m personally on the 11th issue I didn’t read the 12th one cause Wes vid … “ I’m getting to it “ lol - however let’s be perfectly clear Wes is not pulling no punches here …& we gotta thank Geoff for this as well his “ truthfulness “ is a glaring reminder that our artists and writers that we championed to heights where we often find it difficult to question their efforts prove to us how fallible they can be. Geoff allow his personal observations about Hal screw him out of a chance to leave something compelling for his fans to applaud him about. He made a terrible choice to knock Hal out , when the doing a book w that name attached to it don’t work without Hal, DC “doing the most “ w jojo mullins & no one cares … she has not connected w a audience cause they “don’t exist “ . The young lady from Farscape will share a similar reception to her identity as well …never once she has done anything to even make u dispute a notion like that .. it would take time & cultivating to make the readers embrace that feeling … now I think Wes “may “ been brutal about Tom Raney’s art ..but HE IS RIGHT. Lol 😂 a talented artist like this is wasted on. Weak interpretation of the GL history in these times… a cosmic type artist like raney should of been on a book like aquaman where he is able to flesh out his strengths, this was not a good fit for him. The staff at Dc needs a think tank of sorts 100 of ideas needs to be challenged before execution, only the best should leave the cutting room , the lanterns have the ability of being the LOSH if done right - but right now as it stands Geoff John’s lanterns are the apex of this run.
I just finished this run and I'm kinda tired of watching the Green Lanterns getting destroyed and powered back up again on repeat. Happy that John got the focus but why are the Earthborn Lanterns the only ones of late who get a special boost? The most anyone else really get is a pallet swap of color.
In the end, the book is not as disastrous as they want to make it seem. Raney's art is not at all ideal for a Green Lantern book, its inconsistencies in terms of expressions and proportions of the characters undermine the spectacular nature of the book. Towards the end of the story arc, ChrisCross's art revived the comic and showed that overall it would have been a hell of a lot better. However, again, the comic is very enjoyable. We have an introspective story focused on John Stewart that touches on elements of his past and puts them to use to elevate the character to a new status of cosmic power. Jo Mullier's story tries to go a different way and serve to bring an overall climatic closure to the story. Personally I think what Morrison did was much more complicated and far less enjoyable. Now it will be up to DC to maintain this magnificent status of the character and we will see where Stewart's next story arc written by Thorne goes.
This feels like such an unnecessary reset that destroys everything cool about the GLC. And eventually, DC will un-do all of this, as they have done before. The setup and arrangement of everything related to the GLC was so easy to follow. What's been done here is very confusing and convoluted. I look forward to the next reset. This will be discarded and forgotten.
I didn't think the issue was as bad as you make it seem. Yea it sucks Hal is not in it much but it was a good story. I like that the GL and Gaurdians aren't the sole protectors of the universe anymore. The Gaurdians kind of just appointed themselves to that position. It's a new spin on the lore and I liked it.
He is not dead, DC told Thorne that he cannot kill any of the main earth Lanterns. He is in a coma lost in space. Personally I am glad that he is away from this train wreck.
Your take on it is one viewpoint, sure. Here’s mine…I do ultimately think that DC is the main culprit on what screwed this run up with editorial issues and what Thorne could and couldn’t do in regards to what characters he had to include and what changes could be made and etc. Yes a lot of his ideas was his own but given what he had to work with and to craft his backstory into a now main lead writer story is a huge endeavor but it could’ve gone better. Jo I feel wasn’t needed and shouldn’t have been included in this run. She could’ve been left in her own book for the time being which was a decent story in its own right I feel as detached from the main GL mythos..Teen Lantern also could’ve been fleshed out more but overall seems like that was a farce and useless in the end, she definitely needs it to be a character at all. Rehashing events and plots of the central power battery being destroyed is cliché nowadays and also another rogue guardian wiping out the rest of the guardians is another used plot device as well as mostly a new all powerful GL status quo as in John Stewart all be it in a different way. I’m used to comics every so often treading the same used plot points years down the road again but with different characters and methods but the results are mostly the same. Yeah it’s bothersome and yeah you think the well has run dry at this point for creativity. Changing the mythos yet again and maybe “rebooting” GL with a new status quo if that’s what you want to call it is a bold move and a more sudden one at that given the time frame of Thorne’s run. GL at least with John’s run and after has had reboots so to speak but they have been mostly mild and not reality shifting such as Thorne’s ending. I’m curious as where it will go. I know one day it will go back to how it was because that’s the cyclical nature of comics if you are around long enough to see how they operate with plots and storytelling devices. The art does leave a lot to be desired for a GL comic though. I don’t mind some GL other than Hal stepping up to be the spotlight for awhile. Hal has had plenty of spotlights on him and his stories. We all know Hal and his personality and his strengths and weaknesses by now. The other characters need more development though and a chance to take that stage as Hal has done. They need to be done right though and for the writers to know these other GL’s so they can write them properly however. Personally it’s hard to do that with one GL title going. I miss when GL had multiple titles with a focus on different GL’s of Earth or even different colored Corps which I miss too. You then have a chance to flesh out more steadily the other GL’s instead of choosing who in one main GL title to write about and barely doing anything with the others. DC should know that but it seems they don’t care really or think the fans won’t really care. Having a lot of Earth GL’s is bothersome too. They keep increasing and I’m all for having varied backgrounds of Earth Lanterns as you should expect there to be varied ones with rings going to different worthy individuals all over the world rather than just ole ‘Murica. That’s a whole other issue though for DC to work on in the future. In brightest day…
Teen Lantern was another useless character, and Future State was terrible. Great video. It's been frustrating to be a Green Lantern fan lately. I wish they'd bring back Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver.
I didn't like it at all. How can you have a series without Hall Jordan being a part of it. Also, teen lantern and Jo Jo Mullen seemed like they were forced into the story. The art wasn't that great either.
I have already ranted in the comments of your previous videos about how I feel about DC as a whole and what my favorite runs are. Instead I will throw a few points of opinion in an itemized fashion on why this sucked/failed.
1. No one wanted this story they want something closer to what drew them in at their start as a reader.
2. This did not appeal to a lot of if any new readers period.
3.Jessica and Simon did not get enough of their own time before the introduction of teen lantern and Jo Mullins. The Sam Humphries run was a good start that was undercut by Tim Seely’s bad writing after. (Side note I used to like Sam as a person now I do not.)
4. John Stewart deserved better this was his time to shine as a leader of lanterns again not aNewgods/Ion ripoff. Venditti did it better.
5. The power battery has already been destroyed countless times. It will always come back try a new idea.
6. You should never admit your personal bias against a character, (Hal), when doing interviews about your upcoming book it turns certain fans away before you begin.
7. I’ll make this my last point even though I could list 100 easy. You will never be able to appeal to every fan and I think he knew this going in, with that said you should never attempt to undercut central ideas of an intellectual property just to try and show how “creative” you are. You don’t need to fundamentally change core aspects of the lantern mythos to make a good comic book. Give the hero or team a good villain with an interesting motivation and work your story around how these characters overcome and adapt to their situation. Not every story needs to be the downfall of the corps or change the status quo.
If you made it this far thank you for hearing me out. I’m a huge lantern fan. One of the biggest and I hate this crap.
I met Sam at a con and he was an ass. I had him sign a few book and he looked like it genuinely pained him. He said a total of 5 words and scowled the whole time. 1 of 2 occasions where I lost all respect for a comic book creator by meeting them.
Agreed!
I’m more of a casual Green Lantern I read them every now and again but I totally agree with that 3rd point. I was just getting into those two characters when the newer ones got introduced.
While you are free to rant and I agree with 99% of your points though the last one could be a little different too. Letting writers get creative can be a double edged sword but you don’t know until they flex that muscle.
Something interesting can happen or otherwise we wouldn’t have got what we’ve got to build upon in the first place you know. Something to think about. His ideas wasn’t bad but it was the implementation and DC’s meddlesome antics that caused more of the crash
Well put my friend. I couldn't have said it better myself.
This run was doomed the minute he expressed his disdain of Hal Jordan. Hal is the most popular Lantern, you’re not gonna win any fans dogging him out in interviews. It’s okay to dislike a character, but there’s a way to express that without turning readers off. Just tell readers you’re going in another direction and Hal won’t be the focus of this run. Instead, Thorne came off as arrogant and unlikable. He would have been better off not saying anything about Hal at all.
Hal is my favorite lantern of all time but a book with John Stewart, Kyle Rayner or guy taking center stage sign me up.
I didn’t even give Thorne the chance to Disappoint me. As soon as I read he hated Hal Jordan I was out. Hal is the greatest Green Lantern of all time. Sometimes it feels like Geoff Johns was the only person who understood and appreciated this. Any body have some good GL stories to recommend?
If you can get your hands on the Sector 2814 books, I absolutely loved them.
Hal jordan and the Green lantern corps
How unfortunate he shares his name with Geoff Johns. Now whenever one talks about the worst Green Lantern run, we have to specify the "Bad Geoff" not the Good Geoff.
The big red flag for me was hearing Geoff's anti-white hatred, when he expressed disdain for Hal, and made clear when seeing the three Lanterns he focused on.
Oh my god he could not be more obvious about the type of mindset he has. It’s horrible
They hired the wrong Geoff, they needed Geoff Johns lol.
What is it with DC/Marvel handing over their legendary IPs to incompetent writers.
This is what happens when you hire based on everything except merit.
Hal simply IS GL. I love John and Guy, but they’re secondary characters most of the time. I’m all for them having their own arcs, but really Hal should take center stage most of the time. Kyle I’m okay with but not a huge fan of him; the only reason he exists was as part of a decision that never should have been made: the decision to turn Hal evil.
The ones that came after Kyle all seem like they were invented just for racial and sexual bean counting - quotas for fictional characters.
Kyle is a more interesting character than Hal. Sorry but Hal should have stayed the spectre or gone onto the after life. It is like WWE constantly pushing older stars like Goldberg Iver young talents like Finn Balor. It is moving backwards. True turning Hal evil in the first place was dumb but saying the other earth lanterns are secondary is bloody insulting to them. Was Hal the GL of JL TAS? No. Was Hal a member of JLI and the Morrision JLA run? No. Those 3 have more than proven they are just as good as Hal if not better.
@@zemox2534 - Getting rid of older characters is basically universally a bad idea.
THIS guy gets it!
@@florbfnarb7099 Marv Wolfman and Perez killed Barry Allen in the first crisis and No one bloody complained! In fact they all complained when Barry came back. Why? Because it came at the expense of Wally West!
@@zemox2534 - No, “they all” didn’t complain. And Barry dying didn’t happen at a time when people work working hard to get rid of and replace as many older characters as possible, like is happening now.
As for Thorne's GL run, I've seen a lot of his changes to the lore done MULTIPLE TIMES over the years. And done FAR better. I also didn't feel that Thorne ever really understood the John Stewart character like he claimed he did. On the Jo Checkmark half of the run I found myself skimming through her pages on several issues do to lack of interest. Not having Hal front and center killed it obviously.
@Ryan Wilson
It is noteworthy that of ALL the current human GLs, the 5 POC characters all have dialogue and purpose in his run. NONE of the 3 caucasian characters do. Coincidence?
@Ryan Wilson All of his DC work (GL, DC Digital Vixen title, Milestone's Blood Syndicate) and as far as I can tell of his Marvel work is just writing Black characters.
Green Lantern is one of my favorite characters. The first complete series I ever collected were Geoff Johns GL and Tomasi GL Corps series. I even enjoyed the New 52 Era Green Lantern and spin-off series. Great video, Wes.
I agree completely, John's and Tomasi's run with the GLs made me absolutely fall in love with the mythos and lanterns.
Man, how can you not like Hal Jordan? He's one of the coolest DC characters.
Because they hate straight white men
"Coolest?" Hal Jordan is a freaking mess! Whatchmean?
@@unigenius
He is a badass.
Cardboard cutout touted to be the greatest every 3 seconds
@@unigenius still face of the green lantern i dont see other hal has its stuff stay pissed it dosent change any thing.
Geoff sounds like a nice guy on perch’s channel, but destroying the GL corps in the first issue and focusing on Jojo and teen lantern for half the book was not great. This is what someone should do after a few years normal GL stories.
I suggest checking out his twitter thread, he’s a huge asshole
Haven’t read GL since Vendetti’s run. Terrible art poor use of the characters and to just put Kyle and Guy in the garbage was criminal. Kyle was consistently de powered since the white lantern ring broke (which we are still waiting an answer for). Guy is in lala land and hasn’t had a solid character arc since Vendetti’s run.
Green Lantern as an IP is dead since Vendetti left.
Jo Mullein was absolutely not supposed to be a part of regular DC, the book started in the Young Animal imprint and was supposed to be it's own thing.
But became popular and thus was woven in
@@AtomizedSound "popular" like " fan favorite hero America Chavez" lol it's all just marketing. Far Sector wasn't bad, actually, but Jo Mullein isn't a popular character.
@@AtomizedSound
Then please explain why her character is so unlikable in the Geoffrey Thorn run?
Why does she come across as so obnoxious and annoying when she lectures seasoned veteran lanterns in issue 8 for crying out loud (even though she is still a rookie)
I did read this and I did not hate it. I do feel my biggest issue was the pacing of the story. However, for me it was nice to finally get a little more insight into some of the lanterns I don't know too much about. I thought it was great to get a story with Jon Stewart as the main character but, I wish that Gardner, Rayner and Jordan has a bigger role because it felt like there were a few gaps where they could have filled in quite well.
I am baffled at his hate for Hal Jordan (seriously there are far worse characters - Squirrel Girl comes to mind). But he didn’t disrespect the character and many other writers now wouldn’t do that.
They just hate white characters.
Too many characters without developing them. Jo, Keli, John, Hal, Simon and Jessica, all of them didn't have enough spotlight. I'm still angry they killed off many lesser known GL Corps at the start of the series, like Arisia, Isamot Kol, Vath Sarn, Morro and so on.
As someone who became a big Lantern fan after reading Sinestro Corps War and Blackest Night, this state is so sorry.
He knee capped Hal Jordan and took away all his development that other writers had put in for decades. Hal is now back to square one as a Lantern and it makes no sense
Personally my problems with this book was mostly the destruction of the green lantern corp central battery again and setting up the terrible future state status quo but set in the present day, but also getting rid of jessica Cruz one of my favorite green lanterns and making her a yellow lantern which is the last I ever wanted for that character. The final thing I didn't like about this book was well it was boring nothing made sense and it felt like there was a clear direction on what was going on with the rest of the corp at least in my opinion.
@Tevya Smolka
And here's the thing Future State isn't even conon anymore and in the past year/months DC have been trying to move on from it
@@naquingreen1603 that's true and you're right about that and honestly I am all on board for future state never coming to pass or being reference ever again.
Even though Thorne was trying to do something new (apparently), I found his Green Lantern boring and hard to finish. One problem was that I found I didn't really care about the characters.
I thought Teen Lantern was annoying, and just a stupid concept in general. Jo Mullen seemed pretty generic with nothing special about her, or any reason to care about her. Also, she had a horrible design.
You know what modern Green Lantern was unique until now? Jessica Cruz. The concept of a Green Lantern with an anxiety disorder is brilliant! It highlights that willpower has nothing to do with feeling fear, but rather overcoming fear with willpower. Such a cool concept! And then Geoffrey Thorne makes her a Yellow Lantern.... aargh!
Jo was pretty boring in this run, I recomened Far sector, it has really great art & story and it highlights Jo as a character.
Let's not forget another thing that sucks about this series was that Kyle Rayner is now missing in action with no concrete explanation about what happened to him after the battery exploded leaving him stranded in space and Guy Gardner supposedly died in the Human Target series I know that's Black Label but according to DC anything that there publishing now is happening and not out of continuity.
Human Target isn’t canon for sure
I’m starting to see why Marvel and DC hire the creative teams that they do. Because I see if they hire writers who knew the lore and respect the properties. These stories wouldn’t see the light of day.
Welcome to DC the land of stupid ideas.
Green Lantern is my favorite franchise (in fact the character saved my life) and I've spent the past dozen years writing and podcasting about it. That said, this is the worst Green Lantern run in the history of the characters. This series was in trouble as soon as Geoff Thorne's opinions about the characters and his John Stewart fanboyism were put on display. DC certainly bears considerable blame for this book, the lion's share of criticism lies directly at Thorne's feet. Marco Santucci's art was a bright spot, but the pacing, recycled tropes and the rest of the art sunk it.
For all of Thorne's disdain for the "chosen one" trope and making some Green Lanterns more special than other, he's done exactly that himself. He'll sidestep the criticism by pointing out that John Stewart is no longer a Green Lantern, but you'd have a hard time convincing readers, and DC itself, that he isn't. In fact just this week they referred to him as Green Lantern in "Death of the Justice League". By putting emphasis on characters like Teen Lantern, Simon Baz and Jo Mullein and sidelining loved characters like Kyle Rayner and Guy Gardner Thorne alienated fans who have been disenfranchised by DC's flooding of the franchise with diversity bingo characters at the expense of the ones readers actually want to read about.
We can only hope that DC pulls their head out of their ass and at the other side of Dark Crisis lies a Hal Jordan centric Green Lantern book, a Green Lantern Corps series anchored by Kyle and Guy, and an anthology series akin to "Green Lantern Corps Quarterly" that highlights the rich cast of characters that make the Green Lantern Corps what it is.
DC is mostly to blame my friend overall. The editorial decisions there fell flat and a horrible creative oversight. I doubt we will ever go back to the many titles we had a decade ago or so. Those days are probably over for now but we will see. I think a different book with all the Earth Lanterns is smart and then bring the colored corps back and let that be woven into the thread again too.
I own brightest day blackest night & im collecting the Sinestro Corps War. Good green lantern stories!
Guy Gardner: Booster Gold, put that lantern down gently. You BROKE it? Now, I will call upon my willpower to kick your ....
Not since Kings Batman have I been so annoyed by a comic, mainly because I was super hyped listening to him talking about it on Perch’s channel before it launched. It was pitched as a John Stewart comic, then Jo & Teen Lantern took over half the comic, I dropped it after 7 issues, totally because of Jo & Teen Lantern, I wanted a John story.
The irony is that Thorne set up a cool matchup between Guy Gardner and Lobo in a GL Future State backup story. I would love to see that fight, but we never got it. Oh well.
i've said this before. the problem with both dc and marvel is people don't want to be force fed these characters. they can have their own popularity seperate. sure x23 is cool. and miles is okay. but miles is NOT spiderman. and x23 is NOT wolverine. and same applies to dc. they can do this with naomi or the green lantern girl but they're not coming about it naturally and people don't care about these characters. hell, when i see these aweful characters, all i think is... this is a good character to use in ryona pieces as a punching bag while showcasing a better character.
and as lanterns go, i'm personally a kyle rayner fan, which dc has done nothing but shit on since hal got back. and that makes me sad as a lantern fan.
As someone who not really into Green lantern mythology I'm a fan of John Stewart over Hal mostly because of JLA.
Time to bring back "Hal's Emeralds Attack Team".
TLDR: a Mary Sue hacked thr Green Lantern Corp and became one while Intellectual Level of Batman and Lex Luthor haven't because of Back water Technologies of Earth while This Crap of a Character hack it via laptop seriously ?! DC this sucks
I was really intrigued by the concept of the Far Sector series and found the art to be phenomenal. The story, however, was terribly boring and I dropped it after a few issues as well. Green Lantern has just not been good since the end of Venditti’s run. Not even Morrison’s run was enjoyable.
I don't think taking the focus away from Hal Jordan and giving some great stories to other Lanterns would be a terrible idea.
Geoff Thorne's run is not that.
I think I didn't give this series a chance because I saw the cover art for a few issues, one was the Jo Mullens character in her pjs on the couch texting someone. Couldn't take it seriously. And wtf was that art at 4:12?
Get woke go broke. Hopefully he never touches GL ever again. I would love to see Jeff lemire back and his backup story in that death metal tie in with hal and sinestro was so good.
I have a suspicion that they low key are gonna treat guy gardner as dead
Let's be honest. The GL franchise has been slowly going hill ever since the failure of the live action film. They didn't put GL in the JL film, Tom King ruined Guy Gardner, Kyle has been M.I.A for some time and the corp lost their power battery (again). And to top it off, they Geoff Thorne actually had the nerve to reboot the entire lore of the Green Lantern franchise.
They need to get rid of Thorne and get someone to clean up this mess.
Kyle, being my favorite character, I'm glad that he's been MIA. I don't want him included in things like this.
@Zemo X2
If you think that's bad the upcoming Green Lantern Corps series for HBO Max might get cancelled due to the Warner-discovery merger (just like the now cancelled wonder twins movie)
Hopefully they rebuild it from the ground up and move it to the movies instead
@Zemo X2
I hope that the Green Lantern Corps HBO Max series does get cancelled because it was said to be just like Watchmen the series which wasn't good
There are no bad characters just bad writers and Geoff is a bad writer, pushing Hal, Kyle and Guy to the side was such a bad idea, no one will miss Geoff
The only thing I dislike about Teen Lantern of how she was introduced as "The Genius kid that hacked the Green Lantern power battery"(cause child prodigies like Riri Willaims, Nadia van Dyne and Red Locust were such well like characters) it was a lie by Bendis and see her origins in Bolivia. But after all of that Bendis didn't do anything with that after, Teen Lantern to me is just a bland character in Bendis' Young Justice(that Bendis' writing for ya).
I feel the only time that Teen Lantern was flesh out as a character was in Future State and I founded out today it was written by Joise Campbell which is embarrassing for Geoff Thorne(I'm still concern about Campbell's Shazam comic but I'll give it a chance I don't care about her superman show) Maybe Thorne should've expand the history about the dead Green Lantern that gave Keli the Gauntlet, why does he have it? what does does want Keil to do with the gantlet? How the Guardians didn't know about the dead green lantern or what sector he's from and why he was killed by a normal bullet.(Jesus Bendis, a Green lantern killed by a normal gun? Bennnndis!) or give Keli character development.
*Si Spurrier's Green Lantern shouldn't be on Round Robin, DC should've Greenlight that comic in a comic series mandatory! DC can drop 1(or a few ongoing for other heroes) batman title*
I've read the first two issues of this run (or maybe only the first issue? I don't remember) and it came across as just plain and boring. It didn't help that the main premise of the story was destroying Central Power Battery. Green Lanterns without the thing that makes them Green Lanterns? Not really into that. Maybe if it was written by the other writer named Geoff. But even then I'm not entirely convinced.
It took DC literally decades to clean up the damage the first time a writer wrote that story, and that time it was a certified legend in Steve Englehart. If it caused DC grief when Englehart did it, the results will be even worse with a lesser writer like Thorne.
Checked out the first issue of Future State: GL and felt the same way. Depowering a hero is usually a dead end. At the very least a writer has to earn the right to tell that story by showing using it to show something about the character we didn't know or making them grow. By definition, we already knew the lanterns had the willpower to face down evil without their power rings. Otherwise they never would have gotten them.
I have been a GL fan since early 1990s, in fact, mostly a DC fan overall. GL is my favorite; actually, I didn't like Kyle, but Ron Marz wrote such a great story and the art was solid (Banks and Pelletier of note): I was consumed with that book till the end, still obsessed.
So, I wanted to give Thorne a chance, despite the banter, as he took over the title; I wanted to like it. I wanted a great GL story, I didn't get it.
The good: Thorne took the story back to OA and we got to see the Central Battery and the Guardians, in more traditional garb even! Loved that part. He gave us many space adventures, which GL fans typically like. Also, seeing John Stewart take a prominent role was a nice touch, he is a great character with many ideas to explore, as Mosaic was fascinatingly dynamic. We saw Sinestro, always a plus. Issues #1 and #2 got my attention. The death of a Guardian and the rituals were interesting and seemed to overall to fit.
The bad: The art was just a distraction from the tale, it was terrible: cartoonish with big heads. John 'ascending' was too similar for me to Kyle and the Ion storyline. Teen Lantern was uninteresting, over the top and didn't add anything. Hal was sidelined, a bad call. Hal playing second fiddle to Jo felt awkward and wrong. The story seemed disjointed and not so fluid. Also, no real action for: Kyle, Guy, or Alan.
The ugly: Jo Mullein lecturing the seasoned GL Corps in issue #8 was just too much, for me. (Her exchange with, Iolande, the princess of Betrassus, Lantern of sector 1417. ) Example: "Dial all this back down to one and start acting like Green Lanterns." And count how many times she said the word "I" in just a few pages: 1) "Like I don't have enough on my plate." 2) "This is who I am" 3) I'm the entire Green Lantern Corps..." 4) "I didn't ask for it." 5) "I damned sure didn't want it." 6) "But I'm the one doing it because..." 7) "I was the only one..." 8)"I got the United Planets..." 9) "I had them bring you..." 10) "I'm the one keeping every enemy..." 11&12) "What I'm doing, I'm doing for you."
Although, I do realize Iolande questioned who Jo is, her response was too preachy, too much. Too self important.
The reason this rant and situation was so bothersome to me is the GL stories have always made a point to show that lanterns are such, with or without a ring. It is their fight, their resilience and their will that pulls them through, the ring is only a tool. Simply having the ring doesn't give her cause to treat them so poorly. Here, she didn't rally the troops, she talked down to them. It felt politically motivated and forced. The whole episode seemed like a gimmick to get a spotlight on Jo, which she already had in her book, Far Sector.
This is Green Lantern, this was a prime chance to tell a great story with many iconic elements spanning the cosmos yet the twelve issue run just fell short. I was not really impressed, and I sorely wanted to be.
Jojo's design and name were enough to make me roll my eyes and skip this entire predictable affair.
The Hal Jordan hate I found out about later just confirmed it.
😂😂 stay in the 1990s we're in future now bud things change
A shit story is a shit story in any year.
I dont see how anyone can be a fan of Green Lantern and not like Hal Jordan.
The crazy thing is they went through Rebirth of GL, the War of Light and then Blackest Night and that all got thrown right in the trash with the new 52.
Is Sodam Yat (Daxamite GL) still a thing?
"drizzling sh*ts"
you have a way with words
😂😂😂
The best issue is the annual, which is written by someone else. (And it has Jessica and Hal team up)
I think it's possible to make Jojo or Teen Lantern work as characters, but it would take some special effort. So the problem isn't focusing on them so much as it is focusing on them *without* making them more interesting/likeable. Too much of comics prioritizes big plot points over character development, when in reality those big plot points only feel meaningful if a writer has made the involved characters compelling and interesting.
8:51 Hal Jordan was the one who bring the god damn Justice League to the final battle, on the climax of the arc. Lead the offensive and at the end, figure it out how the reestructuration of the corps works, creating again the rings and so. For a writer that hates a character, makes no sense right? Or maybe the focus on the "hates the character" is what makes no sense 🤔
Hal was barely in the story at all. He only briefly appeared at the final battle and it ended up with him being depowered just so John could be the strongest. Thinking Critical is pretty spot on. Maybye you should reflect on why it bugs you so much.
It was a farce
I just finished reading Thornes run, seems like I’m on my own here but I loved it.
The whole crux of this run was "WHO DESTROYED THE CENTRAL POWER BATTERY????". Except... we've seen the Central Power Battery get destroyed countless times and it was always rebuilt no problem. It really annoyed me that no one bothered to rebuild the battery while SOME Lanterns went to investigate the explosion.
Also, I absolutely confused as to why Perch kept sticking up for Geoff. Geoff's run will probably go down in GL history as one of the worst run, but Perch swears up and down that Thorne had a plan and that the story was going somewhere.
He's biased to the people he interviews/befriends. Same thing with the Superman writer.
I will be honest here. I thought Geoff's run had some potential at the beginning, but quickly went off the rails. Despite being knowledgeable in DC lore and attempting to tie it together it came off as overly derivative and collapsed in the end. I'm sorry, but how many times has the GL Corps been decimated and the Guardians killed off? I can't keep reading if DC is going to repeat themselves this often.
1st couple of issues were good but then the title fell off of a cliff after those.
My first intro to Green Lantern was a super powers action figure from my Aunty. I loved to learn powers weaknesses and the mini comic.
His run is pretty much retconned if you look at the preview pages of Death of the Justice League.
Thank the sweet lord we had the perfect Morrison/Sharp GL for two years before this mess!
I liked alot of rebirth, but I would have loved to have seen what Morrison setup pre-new 52. Specifically, Grayson and Damian as Batman & Robin.
I’m a Hal guy. My son could recite the oath before he started kindergarten. Why DC thinks it’s fashionable to crap on Hal every few years is beyond me. GL is DC’s sci fi King Arthur. I proudly have a complete silver age run of GL and so much of DC’s modern mythology is built off of things that happened in Hal’s original run.
How is Hal not cool enough? The guy is somewhere between Maverick and Indiana Jones with a power ring. He is a character built for adventure whether you play him flawed or not.
DC needs to quit the self hate and quit breaking their own IP.
and they will say he is boring all spectrum nekron all that were discovered way before by in hals runs . i dont get why so much disrespect to him.
Green Lantern has long been my favorite character, used my allowance for an old school by mail subscription in the late 1970s that I still have, all well worn from being read over and over. I was dabbling about getting back into comics, and largely returned to having a pull list solely because of Geoff Johns masterful revival of Hal Jordan. Have every crossover issue of Blackest Night and Brightest Day, and basically every Green Lantern-related title since.
Kilowog is probably my second favorite, but John Stewart has been fleshed out into a worthy and great Green Lantern in his own right.
However, here he doesn't trust John Stewart as Green Lantern, he takes that away and tries to make him something else entirely. I don't actually completely hate this run, but it never all quite works either. And yes, the wildly inconsistent artwork is often very bad.
I do respectfully disagree about Far Sector, I very much enjoyed that series as something different only tangentially related to being a Green Lantern story. However, I agree that Jo's character was built fully outside the normal Green Lantern mythology and did not make sense to bring into the fold as a standard member of the GL corps. The character absolutely feels out of place in this story.
Teen Lantern is just an annoying character that gets dropped after all the build up, while being an excuse to turn a decent character in Simon into a glorified, neutered
babysitter.
I actually have no problem with it being time for a John Stewart-centric run, but here he's never really actually a Green Lantern and then by the end is this weird "Emerald Knight", like they didn't trust John's character to take the mantle of Green Lantern forward.
So ultimately I personally find this run disrespectful to the John Stewart character and that was very disappointing.
Makes no sense for a person who dislikes Hal who probably is the most popular and well know GL, to write GL.
GEOFF JOHNS Green lantern run was one of the BEST selling comics during his time. Sells have plummeted with the NEW GUY writing it.
The best thing that happened to Green Lantern was bringing back Razor from the animated series to Young Justice. Like why not just add him to the comics, that would actually get me to buy a comic from DC.
Hal Jordan is the best. Dc should give him another book
Has Jessica cruz had a green lantern ongoing? I think its time for her to be the main character on GL ongoing
I believe she's a Yellow Lantern now.
@@Wes_From_TC aww damn I've always liked her design and I wouldn't mind reading more about her in a GL ongoing kinda why I picked up the future state GL book
Huge pass.
Remember when DC got pissy and fired Dwayne McDuffie from Justice League after he informed fans how much his run was restricted/mandated/changed by DC? Hope current management isn't that petty.
I got two issues in and removed it from my pull list. The characters just didn't interest me. Like many are saying, it just felt like it was trying to get away from many of the things that make Green Lantern great.
I loved the Grant Morrison run, getting back to that "Space Cop" feel. I really enjoyed that, I felt like it was getting back to the core of the Green Lantern theme.
Also, loved Geoff John's run on GL; he made it fun and epic, and obviously knows what we fans live about the GL idea as a whole.
Stupid? Sucked? Horrible? The art was crap? Green Lantern artists? There’s no such thing as a Green Lantern artist. Just artists that draw Green Lantern. This verbiage leaves me waiting for the critical thinking to commence. This is a rant because you don’t see what you want, not a true breakdown of what you want to see and what you know is a great story and truly articulate that. What we get is it sucks, Geoff hates HAL Jordan so he’s doesn’t know what he’s doing, Tom Raney art sucks…. When people would show me reviews on stuff like this, I always question what’s really going on here. This isn’t Critical Thinking. This is a rattle banging complaint. “I WANT MY MTV!” Come on. Let’s do better here. Did you explain the story to the layman that may have missed it? What sucked about the story? Why can’t these other Lanterns be a part of a new sifting of the series rebooting the GL universe? What was so haphazard about it? So many questions. So many answers that will never be answered. So much ranting. Chsnge this channel to Critical Rant. I’ll respect it more.
On the right track I think
Nobody will ever do better than Geoff Johns did for Green Lantern.
Geoff Thorne’s Green Lantern destroyed the book even worse than Grant Morrison’s run.
Hal Jordan is the greatest Green Lantern of all time. He is way better than Alan Scott ever was, and no other Green Lantern that has ever come after him can duplicate his greatness. All that they can do is just imitate him. Anyone who doesn't like Hal Jordan is not a real Green Lantern fan. Anyone who says that they have never liked Hal Jordan was never a Green Lantern fan in the first place to begin with. The only reason that DC Comics writers write Hal Jordan like a shitty character now is because he is a straight white male. Soy woke S.J.W.s hate his character like they hate Guy Gardner, so they push characters like John Stewart to try to force Political Correctness.
It doesn't matter if they get so salty that don't want to show a white character beating a black character. They can cry racism all that they want to. Hal Jordan has been the main Green Lantern ever since the late 1950s, and nothing is going to stop him from being the focus of the Green Lantern Corps. Call him "boring" all that you want to. Superman is still the gold standard who sets the benchmark. Batman perfected the standard. Wonder Woman refined that perfection. The Silver Age Green Lantern is a product of that. Get over it.
Flaws in your logic guy, but that is what you think. Nothing defines a “fan” first of all for who likes what Lantern. It’s subjective as it comes. Sounds like you are just angry and if it ain’t your way it’s no way type of person with high ideals but of the wrong method. No, just non
I sorta prefer Kyle Rayner but Hal Jordan is close second.
Thorne was not good at all for the Gl run at all .No Hal,no Kyle ,no Guy ,no Jessica.I did like Jo but she wasn't used right as was Simon.
We had all these worlds and cultures around the other lanterns but now it’s all collapsed as on Oa and now instead of central power batteries revolving around a specific corps we have a generic multicolored source
I apricate how you are being fair on where Thorne went wrong and where Dc went wrong. I also can appreciate Thorne for coming out and telling us this for it makes constructive criticism easier when you know who did what.
Here some of my thoughts on what I have seen.
1) I do believe he was trying to fix Teen lantern, but he did not succeed.
2) I can understand the issue with having to many human lanterns, granted this problem really exploded after simon baz and Jessica cruz.
I believe Thorne side stepped the issue by having them removed from play rather than killed. That is something I can appreciate.
3) It is easy to see from this why having all these Dc events , or a event, can mess up a story. Especially under these circumstances.
4) there were good ideas but over all it was bad.
This in no way excuses the story quality, but I will give credit where it is due. Thank you for the video.
The Last Green Lantern I read was with Kyle Rayner and Jade, it's been awhile.
I love GL. DC went from having two excellent GL books in Rebirth to having nothing worth buying. I was disappointed in the Morrison run, stayed away from Far Sector, and have stayed away from this run as well. I don’t understand why DC quit on Rebirth. Fans were happy, I certainly was. I found myself wanting to buy too many comics. Now it’s hard for me to find a couple good ones to support my comic book store. I don’t understand DC’s decisions sometimes…
Far Sector was actually really good and great art. Plus Jo was an actually interesting take on being a GL.
I have no problem with Hal Jordan not being in something. Write whoever you want to write, but just do it well. That's the nuts & bolts of this, it was a poorly written story overall.
And this is just my feeling, I don't think there was ever any intention on DC's end for this run to go past 12 issues. So I don't think this "abruptly" ended. 12 issues was the plan all along, they just didn't tell the consumer.
I liked the first couple of issues, although it leaned heavily on Star Wars. That's been a thing ever since the movie, I guess (even though the GLC came before Star Wars & more than likely influenced that, along with Jack Kirby's 4th World, but I digress). Then it started to devolve into Future State, which I absolutely HATED, so nothing good could have come from that.
The destruction of the battery, yeah, we've seen this all before. But you could say the same for all the "wars" in the Batman title. How many Joker Wars, Bane taking over Gotham, yadda yadda yadda have we seen time & time again in the past 5-10 years? The writers are basically just regurgitating what's come before, Thorne is no different. He just did it more poorly.
The inclusion of Jo Mullein, Teen Lantern & Simon Baz were missteps. I really like Baz on his own. And I'm sure Mullein & Teen Lantern on their own, could be good as well. But to shoehorn them all in just spelled disaster. Then adding Jessica Cruz to the mix? Ugh vey. Too many ingredients to this failed recipe.
Whether it was DC's decision or not to include Mullein, it was Thorne's decision in what capacity she was used. I would venture to say if he would've used Fatality as John's partner in all of this, and just made Mullein a minor character within the story, things would've been better overall. Maybe. This was pretty bad, so I'm not sure what really could have fixed this. At least we'll get some cool action figures of John from this.
I hated this run; I put it down in the middle of an issue and never went back. The storytelling was a confusing mess and I hated the completely unrepresentative covers on every issue
As a GL fan since Geoff Johns run sad he created such a rich history just for everybody to ignore? Where are my epic battles between the various lantern groups? Where the hell is Atrocitus? At least Sinestro had one good issue but then disappeared? Where are my bad ass lanterns? Instead we got an annoying teenager? Such a fall from grace!
Glad this run failed. Geoff Thorne should never. Have been brought on. He always trashes Hal Jordan. I can’t believe dc allowed him to write the book.
Why are these awful hairstyles and 80s esque clothing designs so popular now? They suck. They removed the battery? Why? Protagonists need flaws and weaknesses. Recharging the ring adds an element of danger, the possibility of failure.
It was going to suck as soon as it was announced. They ignored established characters that people have spent decades reading. A Lantern book with no Hal and/or Kyle isn't going to work for me. Stop trying to replace original characters. Bring back Elseworlds if they want to do stories with different races or sexes as the lead.
Jo looks like she's got PLAY-DOE on her head!
I was going to wait til the trade came out as Perch had good things to say about this series.. But after everything I've heard about it in the last while, I don't think I'll bother.
I got into GL through Kyle Rayner. A half-Hispanic artist who saves the world using the power of his will and imagination, sign me up! Then I followed Hal Jordans, John Stewarts and Guy Gardeners storylines. Couldn't get into Simon Baz very much, Jessica Cruz always has a downer feel but is hot right now because of her animated debut on Justice League Legion and DCSHG. Jo Mullen still has potential. A good storyline would be to have her as a GL "intern" learning the ropes through Kilowog, Jordan, Tomar-Re and Stewart
Far Sector was a top 20 _Superhero_ Graphic Novel on ICv2 from October (release) through December 2021. This is much better than most DC releases.
Why DC editorial would think that their shared brain cell could do a better job writing a character -- *created by a writer with better book sales than anything they have put put the last few years* -- is the superpower of collective Delusion.
7:49 ok, this "he hates Hal Jordan" thing I think you're emphasizing too much, and you even say you don't quite know why. Thorne in an interview said that his "hate" for Jordan is because for him, his story arc that transformed him into Parallax was the pinnacle of the character, therefore, making him a hero again seems cheap, since he believes that Jordan did things from which to redeem himself is almost impossible. However, I would like to point out that before Thorne, there were 2 seasons of Morrison writing Hal Jordan and before that there was Venditti? Books in which Hal Jordan was the main character, regardless of the leading role of the other human Lanterns, including Stewart at the head of the Corp. The point is that Jordan DOESN'T HAVE TO BE IN FRONT AND IN THE LEAD of each and every one of the story arcs Green Lantern, especially if he was for the previous 5 years. In other words, this point is quite detachable, especially since emphasizing the "hatred" towards the character is quite cheap too lol
Okay, he dislikes Hal Jordan. Better?
First off people hated emerald twilight and what it did to Hal. It’s funny how people who hate Hal always try to use that against him, saying he was only as good as a villain when it simply isn’t true. I doubt this racist has read a single Hal book. He’s just saying the usual crap. Second Hal is extremely crucial to green Lantern. All the villains are his, including the most iconic one, and honestly Most people grew up with him. For example I’m 19 years old and along with flash he was my gateway into comics. Third Venditi’s run was just Hal. It had Kyle, Guy, and John too where they all pretty much had tune to shine. Fourth of all John Stewart specifically is not important whatsoever, he doesn’t even have any good stories. He just acts as the token GL. That’s it.
@@CoolCATs2814 thats not the point im making, genious...The emphasis on "Thorne dislike/hate the character" makes very little sense when on the one hand, it comes from the point of view of a longtime fan of the character and on the other hand, Jordan ended up having a fairly prominent and defined role towards the end of the story arc.
@@cooldude722 First of all who are you calling racist? Thorne? me? What part of all this makes you feel like someone is being racist? Maybe at your 19 years you don't have much more to do than blurt out an idiotic offense before you start making pointless arguments.
Why mention Venditti's run to me if it reinforces MY POINT that Hal Jordan has had more than enough prominence in the last 5-10 years of GL stories? Use your head to answer lol. Especially to say that Stewart doesn't matter. Go read his arc in Jim Starling's Cosmic Odyssey, go read his arc in Mosaic, go read his arc in the Green Lantern Corps comics from 2011 onwards, go read his role and his arc in the Justice League by Scott Snyder...or maybe re-read Venditti's Green Lantern comics, I don't know how you're capable of saying such nonsense if you paid any kind of attention to Stewart's role (as well as Kyle and Guy alongside Jordan) in those stories. Anyway, this is what channels like this cause, with their content mostly full of hate and negativity, a bunch of uneducated people who have no idea what they are debating like you
@@cosmicdropout8187 Long time fan of what character & who are you even referring to? Bro, you need to start making some sense.
Spot on analysis of a terrible run. Thorne just doesn’t understand what made Johns run so iconic: the interactions between the Hal, Kyle, Jon and Guy and their contrasting personalities.
Instead we get bland personality free lanterns, plus Keli being Scrappy Doo. Constantly saying Jo is the greatest detective doesn’t make it so, show the great detective work. On second thought, no don’t. It belongs in Batman, not Green Lantern.
I'm a marvel guy (former) but I always loved Hal
This vid is so sharp here on multiple fronts … I’m personally on the 11th issue I didn’t read the 12th one cause Wes vid … “ I’m getting to it “ lol - however let’s be perfectly clear Wes is not pulling no punches here …& we gotta thank Geoff for this as well his “ truthfulness “ is a glaring reminder that our artists and writers that we championed to heights where we often find it difficult to question their efforts prove to us how fallible they can be. Geoff allow his personal observations about Hal screw him out of a chance to leave something compelling for his fans to applaud him about. He made a terrible choice to knock Hal out , when the doing a book w that name attached to it don’t work without Hal, DC “doing the most “ w jojo mullins & no one cares … she has not connected w a audience cause they “don’t exist “ . The young lady from Farscape will share a similar reception to her identity as well …never once she has done anything to even make u dispute a notion like that .. it would take time & cultivating to make the readers embrace that feeling … now I think Wes “may “ been brutal about Tom
Raney’s art ..but HE IS RIGHT. Lol 😂 a talented artist like this is wasted on. Weak interpretation of the GL history in these times… a cosmic type artist like raney should of been on a book like aquaman where he is able to flesh out his strengths, this was not a good fit for him. The staff at Dc needs a think tank of sorts 100 of ideas needs to be challenged before execution, only the best should leave the cutting room , the lanterns have the ability of being the LOSH if done right - but right now as it stands Geoff John’s lanterns are the apex of this run.
I love her design and I’m happy to see a WOC in the Lantern universe.
Kyle is my favorite GL. He was the only GL when I started reading so I'm a bit biased. I wish they would do more with him
I just finished this run and I'm kinda tired of watching the Green Lanterns getting destroyed and powered back up again on repeat. Happy that John got the focus but why are the Earthborn Lanterns the only ones of late who get a special boost? The most anyone else really get is a pallet swap of color.
In the end, the book is not as disastrous as they want to make it seem. Raney's art is not at all ideal for a Green Lantern book, its inconsistencies in terms of expressions and proportions of the characters undermine the spectacular nature of the book. Towards the end of the story arc, ChrisCross's art revived the comic and showed that overall it would have been a hell of a lot better. However, again, the comic is very enjoyable. We have an introspective story focused on John Stewart that touches on elements of his past and puts them to use to elevate the character to a new status of cosmic power. Jo Mullier's story tries to go a different way and serve to bring an overall climatic closure to the story. Personally I think what Morrison did was much more complicated and far less enjoyable. Now it will be up to DC to maintain this magnificent status of the character and we will see where Stewart's next story arc written by Thorne goes.
This feels like such an unnecessary reset that destroys everything cool about the GLC. And eventually, DC will un-do all of this, as they have done before. The setup and arrangement of everything related to the GLC was so easy to follow. What's been done here is very confusing and convoluted. I look forward to the next reset. This will be discarded and forgotten.
Why in the hell did DC want to get rid of the Central Power Battery... again? ! Pisses me off!
I didn't think the issue was as bad as you make it seem. Yea it sucks Hal is not in it much but it was a good story. I like that the GL and Gaurdians aren't the sole protectors of the universe anymore. The Gaurdians kind of just appointed themselves to that position. It's a new spin on the lore and I liked it.
At least you had a little Hal Jordan in there ...my favorite is Kyle Rayner and it looks like he died without any fanfare at the beginning 😅
He is not dead, DC told Thorne that he cannot kill any of the main earth Lanterns. He is in a coma lost in space. Personally I am glad that he is away from this train wreck.
Your take on it is one viewpoint, sure. Here’s mine…I do ultimately think that DC is the main culprit on what screwed this run up with editorial issues and what Thorne could and couldn’t do in regards to what characters he had to include and what changes could be made and etc. Yes a lot of his ideas was his own but given what he had to work with and to craft his backstory into a now main lead writer story is a huge endeavor but it could’ve gone better. Jo I feel wasn’t needed and shouldn’t have been included in this run. She could’ve been left in her own book for the time being which was a decent story in its own right I feel as detached from the main GL mythos..Teen Lantern also could’ve been fleshed out more but overall seems like that was a farce and useless in the end, she definitely needs it to be a character at all. Rehashing events and plots of the central power battery being destroyed is cliché nowadays and also another rogue guardian wiping out the rest of the guardians is another used plot device as well as mostly a new all powerful GL status quo as in John Stewart all be it in a different way. I’m used to comics every so often treading the same used plot points years down the road again but with different characters and methods but the results are mostly the same. Yeah it’s bothersome and yeah you think the well has run dry at this point for creativity. Changing the mythos yet again and maybe “rebooting” GL with a new status quo if that’s what you want to call it is a bold move and a more sudden one at that given the time frame of Thorne’s run. GL at least with John’s run and after has had reboots so to speak but they have been mostly mild and not reality shifting such as Thorne’s ending. I’m curious as where it will go. I know one day it will go back to how it was because that’s the cyclical nature of comics if you are around long enough to see how they operate with plots and storytelling devices. The art does leave a lot to be desired for a GL comic though. I don’t mind some GL other than Hal stepping up to be the spotlight for awhile. Hal has had plenty of spotlights on him and his stories. We all know Hal and his personality and his strengths and weaknesses by now. The other characters need more development though and a chance to take that stage as Hal has done. They need to be done right though and for the writers to know these other GL’s so they can write them properly however. Personally it’s hard to do that with one GL title going. I miss when GL had multiple titles with a focus on different GL’s of Earth or even different colored Corps which I miss too. You then have a chance to flesh out more steadily the other GL’s instead of choosing who in one main GL title to write about and barely doing anything with the others. DC should know that but it seems they don’t care really or think the fans won’t really care. Having a lot of Earth GL’s is bothersome too. They keep increasing and I’m all for having varied backgrounds of Earth Lanterns as you should expect there to be varied ones with rings going to different worthy individuals all over the world rather than just ole ‘Murica. That’s a whole other issue though for DC to work on in the future. In brightest day…
Teen Lantern was another useless character, and Future State was terrible. Great video. It's been frustrating to be a Green Lantern fan lately. I wish they'd bring back Geoff Johns and Ethan Van Sciver.
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I didn't like it at all. How can you have a series without Hall Jordan being a part of it. Also, teen lantern and Jo Jo Mullen seemed like they were forced into the story. The art wasn't that great either.
Im really enjoying the 60's GL run right now, Hal Jordan is the best