According to Grant Morrison’s substack, Didio was seeking to make the largest change in the publishing line in 50 years. He overachieved; he went over 60 years back to a period that superhero comics were essentially dead except for Superman and Batman.
This might sound stupid but I think Thorne is racist against white people. Destroying Johns green lantern legacy and pushing a black character too aggressively...
This isn’t the Green Lantern clone saga. It’s their version of Superman blue/Superman red from the 90’s. Eventually, the 2 Johns will merge back together. They have to, there’s no way that this won’t cause continuity confusion when John appears in other books. Like, isn’t he supposed to take part in Lazarus Planet?
What I've noticed in writing lately is a thing of :"Let's write the current big thing." Ie, time travel and multiverse, and they're relying on these things being popular to sell books and... it's not working because the market is oversaturated with these tropes or whatever you want to call them. Add in that they don't pay attention to what makes these and the characters work, and you get stuff like this.
I must admit, I like Mosaic, as it had an experimental tone that didn’t affect anything else and was more self contained. John’s involvement was a bit strange, though, but it was nice to see all of the different aliens living under the same roof, some good, some bad, etc
Does DC even have editors that check ideas before they get published into a comic before they later go back and retcon it. How do some of these ideas even get approved?
If Thorne actually wrote a Stewart story I would have bought all the issues, but half the comic was about Jo, the most annoying GL in the corp. I absolutely hate the character, those big oversized energy glasses look ridiculous, what’s the point of those? They don’t hide her identity, they’re simply a fashion statement.
With how incompetent DC's editorial seems to be I wouldn't be surprised if they thought they hired a different Geoff, the one that wrote actual good Green Lantern.
I didn't even know this existed, and I go to my comic shop regularly and actively review the DC solicitations every month looking for stuff to pull. I think my brain just kind of blocked this out because Thorne's run had already ended and even beforehand it was clear this isn't going to matter going forward. Nice to see my subconscious was right!
Hypertime is basically "the omniverse" of time concepts. It's very bloated, confusing and a headache to try and figure out (which I still haven't). Don't even waste a single braincell on it. It ain't worth it lol.
I do like John Stewart, not because he "looks like me", but he is a cool character. When they added the Marine turned architect elements, it made sense why he was in the room and calling shots, with the other heavy hitters, like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. But therein lies the problem. He typically works when in that pantheon of gods. One would hope that, if there comes a solo book, he'll be given the depth befitting a big gun member, of the JLA. Too much focus is put on "he's the black guy". When I was in the Navy, up to now, I'm not just the black guy (quite a few of my coworkers are white). If they want people to care about a character, they should look to what works. Characters should have layers, nuance, personality and purpose. Making a character the best, because they are *insert diversity point*, or even just because, will never work. See Roman Reigns' face push. But yeah, John Stewart can be really good. I love how intricate his constructs are, I how he can lead, being a good soldier, before getting the ring. There are things there, that a good writer can explore. Too bad there aren't any good writers, at DC.
I agree with you. I first got a full intro to Stewart during EVS' "Rebirth" arc. I remember how Stewart was described... he had a level of precision and structural understanding so solid, that all of his constructs had bolts and rivets and struts as if they had been built from the ground up from scratch. The precision and discipline of a soldier with the fundamental understanding of structure that an architect has. I've loved John since. If anything, I'm not on the bandwagon just because I'm a Black person and Stewart is Black. I actually worry that his ethnicity will make DC turn him into another Miles Morales. John is great because of who he is, not what he looks like.
True... In fact thats why i always liked the idea of a GL movie were Hal and John are the two main characters, Hal has too much will and Jon its a pretty focused man... Both with Kyle are the best depictions of what a Lantern is. I admit that i like more Hal for his involment in the lore, with that he becomes THE Green Lantern... But John Honestly its a better person to weald the Ring on who the thinks.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I agree with you. Hal and John would do great in a movie where they have to work together - Hal, the willful maverick; John, the deliberate and disciplined officer. Done right, I think that present excellent chemistry and make for a great story.
@@scribblerjones Totally... But then you have ppl to try to make John THE Green Lantern of the DC universe... And... HE doesn't have the enough character, at least not like how they try and try to manage him.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I don't get why there is such a push to just now make Stewart the main Lantern and sideline Hal... oh, wait. I think I understand why, now that you mention it. It's just like what Marvel are trying to do with Miles Morales - and what they failed to do with ReeRee Williams: replace the "problematic" White male lead with a politically acceptable "person of color." Even as a John Stewart fan, I know that Hal came before him - and while I love John, I'm a Jordan fan as well. Hal Jordan is THE Green Lantern. Full stop. Skin color and respectability politics be damned. I'm all for showcasing another character properly, but I draw a line at replacing a character just because there are identity boxes to be checked.
For whatever reason Hal Jordan who I think is the greatest lantern has not gotten any luv in comics or even the DC animated movies over the last few years.
Wrong. Venditti continued after Geoff Johns at a very high level. Yes we had the worst run ever after) (Morrison ( immediately followed by a new worst run (Thorne.)
Hal's been moved to be closer to Guy Gardner (especially in the animation shows). He's very different from his 60s, and 70's personality. Even different from his 80s.
DC hasn't known what to do with John Stewart as a solo Green Lantern since he took Hal's place for a while during the 80s. Stiff personality or not, a good writer could've done him justice.
I will definitely be reading the PKJ Green Lantern series. It is unfortunate that Tamaki is writing one as well which I likely won't be reading. I won't lie I was hoping PKJ would get scooped up by Marvel to write any of the characters I like if I'm honest. Hell DC should've given him Batman since he is their best writer now.
@@jaylucien669 I love PKJ, but I agree with you here!! Flash is phenomenal, and I honestly need them to give him more books at this point! If he doesn't at least get an Animal Man title soon, it'll be a crime👏🏻
Here's my problem with John Stewart: He is boring af. He is the most boring Green Lantern of all. He only has a couple of times where he shines, in the Geoff Johns run and the Robert Venditti run, but just for a couple of issues, because he doesn't have that backstory one can relate to him. Anyone can relate to Hal, Kyle, Jessica, Guy, even Simon. People only like John Stewart because of the early 2000's Justice League cartoons, that's all. But John Stewart has to be the most boring and predictable Green Lantern of all. Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner are the best Green Lanterns in the Corps, but for some reason, DC does not care for Kyle anymore.
The funny thing is that people who still love him from the 20+ year old tv show don’t even know there are other lanterns. If you liked John so much, you would’ve looked up Green Lantern once, right?
Reading the Geoff Johns run, all John did was cry about Xanshi and everything he’s lost. He had cool moments but he’s definitely the most boring Green Lantern. Justice League Unlimited John is amazing. I’m watching season 2 rn and I love his growth/development but that’s not who he is in comics
Kyle always was the most boring GL to me.He was a cannon fodder until Morrison JLA run that improve the character.John have a interesting run in GL Mosaic.
John Stewart: The Emerald Knight is a book that exists. I look foward to PKJ's GL series, I'm confident he can deliver a good series. I think an anthology book could work for Green Lantern, ideally it would focus on the alien lanterns(since they don't really get the spotlight), the stories would be one issue or two maximum. We could see stuff like Abin Sur's first mission as a GL or Kilowog fighting space barbarians that are trying to take over Planet X in the present day.
Hal Jordan is my favorite GL alongside Kyle Rayner. But why ? Why in the name of God, Mariko Tamaki is writing Hal Jordan ? Does God hates me that much ? I haven't read a good Hal Jordan run since Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps by Robert Venditti and that short Grant Morrison run. Being a Green Lantern fan nowadays sucks.
I grabbed Mosaic back in the 90’s. Can’t remember if it was any good but I collected everything Green Lantern related back then. I do remember Ch’p being run over and killed by a green lantern ring construct of a truck. The Guy Gardner series and character design was pretty bad in the 90’s. All this eventually paved the way to Geoff Johns revitalizing the entire Green Lantern mythos with Green Lantern Rebirth.
The Guy Gardner series was awesome when he went to Qward and got Sinestros yellow ring. Making him a sort of anti-green lantern. That’s when Guy was at his peak potential as a character, I think. But then that warrior nonsense came and was just dumb.
Couldn't agree more ! Aside from John Stewart being my least favorite GL, it seems like noone at DC knows WTF to do with the GL Corps. As a LONG TIME GL fan, I have zero interest in a Hal or John title. Where's Guy Gardner? Or Kyke Rayner? Or even Simon Baz? He'll, I'd even take a B'Dg (or GNORT!!) title over the shit they have going on.
2 universes. Positive and Anti-Matter is really all they need. I enjoyed Zero Hour, but Hypertime still confuses the hell outta me, and I don't understand why they brought it back. It's an over-thought concept, just like the multi-verse, and especially, the omni-verse. Things don't need to or ever should be this complicated.
Hypertime is confusing because it was only meant to exist between Crisis On Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis. It was basically an unstable version of the multiverse that was linked to both time and space. But with the multiverse restored hypertime makes no sense
Guy is very under rated. I think it'd be good to make a Guy and John duo series...they're personalities are so different from each other they'd almost be like DC's Cable and Deadpool type odd couple
I like Jon Stewart in the Justice League because he is a boring, square military tactics guy whereas Hal is a maverick space cowboy. But anyone who says Jon Stewart is a great character and hates Hal Jordan I just assume it's racial, Jon Stewart is the Barry Allen (boring block of wood zero personality) of the GL corps. Also, Geoff Thorne GL completely discredited another TH-camr recommendations for me when they continually praise it, and act as though we just didn't have an incredible 15 year run (Geoff Johns through Robert Venditti.(
Mosaic started off good, got me hooked and then went off the rails. As for John Stewart, he could be written well. I envision him as being a drill sergeant in the Green Lantern Corps. Breaking in new recruits and finding out their specialties would be something he could do well and with a changing cast it could be kept very interesting. Let him lean into his role as a serious leader.
Whenever someone says omniverse I think of the Ben 10 cartoon which does that idea much better. I don’t know much of the Thorne Green lantern run. But it doesn’t sound like I’m missing much.
WOOHOO! Dc Figured out how to play both sides of the fence! Hypertime can split all the heroes in two so you can have LGBTQ JLA and Regular JLA! They can clone EVERYONE! Can we please PLEASE just blame all this on Bernard and get it over with! Why doesn't DC just make its own version of the Ultimate universe? Take Emerald Night, Tween drawn Robin, I am Not Batman, Yarwonderwoman, Jon Kent...etc and just Hypertime them to this universe. That way people can have their Emerald Knight AND their Green Lantern, and when the one set of books FAILS...maybe, just maybe DC will knock this off. Until of course we have Dark....Greenweb?! The Evil John Stewart Emerald Knight vs John Stewart the Green Lantern? Will anyone buy it? Will anyone care? Will DC hire Chris Cantwritewell to help Geoff Thorne write it?!
I haven’t read a green lantern since Morrisons run turned into Morrisonion indecipherable gibberish. And I don’t plan on reading it again until a top notch creator is on the book.
What a horrible issue. Honestly, taking 2 years for John to defeat a villain he beat on his first day of ascension is just insulting to John as a character. He’s not that dumb. Thinking back on the whole series (I will not call this garbage a run), Thorne has a poor grasp of John’s personality and style. He’s a leader and an ex-marine. He doesn’t run into situations or carry cumbersome swords around. He wouldn’t return to the dark sectors without a cavalry, especially after rebuilding the corps. He wasted 2 years of everyone’s lives in the dark sector and everyone who died during that time is John’s fault. It’s already abundantly clear Thorne hates the green lanterns as a concept but I genuinely think he hates John most of all. what’s worse: Writing a character you hate with some respect or writing a character you love so horribly that people might hate them because of you?
Thorne took away part of his background bringing back Katma(but letting his clone self find and be with her) as well as bringing back Xanshi. Even while split John's no longer an actual GL but a pseudo New God. Made Jessica a yellow lantern with no ending. Mashed Green/Blue/Pink lanterns into one power battery for some reason while forcing members to change. I pray this will just get retconned as Elseworld and no one continues off this mess.
I bought the first couple issues of Mosaic when it came out but didn’t like it enough at the time to continue. I went back and bought the series later and really liked it for all the weirdness. I think I was just in the right frame of mind at that time of my life. I may not appreciate it as much if I read it again, but who knows?
So, DC is repeating the same failures of Marvel’s X-Men? A shame that DC and Marvel think more of Twitter likes vs. the comic book stores being able to sell this mess.
John Stewart can be done right. He's significantly more interesting than Kyle Rayner who was wishy-washy and never necessary. In the mid 80s Hal Jordan quits and John Stewart takes over for the next couple of years. This was before Mosaic which was terrible. I agree that John Stewart lacks the charm of Hal Jordan. He's a writers idea of what a former Marine would be while Hal Jordan is the pilots from Top Gun. That doesn't mean though that John Stewart can't be written well as the primary Green Lantern of Earth. Go back to the pre Mosaic books and you'll see they are solid. I'm hoping for good things from PKJ with this character. He's interesting and it would be nice to read a good John Stewart solo book for the first time since the mid 80s.
Thorne is a good writer (just checkout the one episode of the 2011 THUNDERCATS series he wrote and the final and only good season of the AVENGERS ASSEMBLE animated series to see some of his best work). I haven't fully completely read a single issue of any of his GL run (I just couldn't get into it sense I'm not a huge GL fan), but the little of a random issue that I have read and flipped through (and based on many pass GL comics I have read and various GL animated projects that I have seen), the main problem with GL as a whole is that the character is not unique within the DCU due to him being around numerous other GL Corps members. GL is also way too powerful when it comes to the various things that his ring can do. When you have GL able to make water or working machines made out of light, you have jumped the shark in being over powered. Dial back GL's powers and dial back him always hanging out with the corps and DC might be able to sell a GL book. They also need to make Hal the only GL of Earth and make all of those other human GL Corps members a new version of the Darkstars who will now be Hal's deputies on Earth. Hell, they should just create a new GL book called "GREEN LANTERN AND THE DARKSTARS" and go from there.
I dipped out of comics back around 2011. Whenever it was that they renumbered Detective and Action comics. That wasn’t the reason I ran for zee hills, but it was sort of a symptom. It seemed blasphemous and short sighted. Like when Alonso was putting out all those weird point one issues. It just said to me that they didn’t care about keeping the numbering and volume information from becoming overly convoluted, because they literally didn’t imagine anyone would ever be going back and reading the shit they were publishing. History stopped mattering; it was all about keeping their heads above water for the next month or two and if a new number 1 would boost sales, then that was all that mattered. I don’t know. I watch your videos because I still love comics. I miss coming home from class back in the 2000s and jumping on the newsarama forums and guessing the next X-men roster or whatever. It’s so depressing. I still have my dozens and dozens of omnibuses (I’m not sure if that’s the plural of omnibus but whatever). I’ve got my marvel unlimited and dcu infinite subs. But I keep hoping to hear from you that things have turned a corner. That Jim Lee had his key card revoked. Anything. I guess I’ll have to keep waiting.
I dipped out in late 2007 due to personal financial issues. By 2011 I was again in a position to jump back in but the entire idea of N52 turned me off. I was very attached to the old Post-Crisis DCU. Shoot, I still am. DiDio's motivation for the N52 reboot was really nothing more than a big cash grab. I guess he figured with the talent he had on staff (and they were loaded), that everything would eventually just fall into place. Nope! A reboot of that magnitude takes a lot of time and planning to execute properly. It can't and shouldn't ever be done a whim. N52 is one of many bone head decisions that man made during his time in charge.
No no no no no no. It bad enough that Saladin Ahmed plagiarized the Clone Saga, I forbid another clone saga from happening in DC comics. There already clones in DC universe. Bizarro, doomsday, Conner Kent, Damian’s clone that I forgot his name. I believe Guy Garner have a clone too. Why can’t Geoffrey Thorne’s series can’t be a different continuity? Heck Teen Lantern by Joise Campbell is from the Future State continuity. And I said again It embarrassing for Geoffrey Thorne that Joise Campbell managed to fleshed out teen lantern better than him and that only one story in future state. Oh Yeah Teen Lantern is still in a Coma. This comic didn’t reveal Teen Lantern’s whereabouts didn’t it? Something like this happen with Mister Miracle Source of Freedom. That there’s Two Thaddeus Brown in DC. oneThaddeus who’s white guy from Batman’s Detective comics and The new JSA Golden age and the other Thaddeus is a black guy in Source of freedom. I can’t tell which is canon to mainstream continuity. Even the DC wiki doesn’t even know. I kinda agreed with you Wes, even that terrible Beware my Power movie adapted All of Kyle Rayner Stories but the movie made it about John Stewart. I believe DC is avoid Kyle because the fridge myth. Wes, there is John Stewart anniversary omnibus. It might have John Stewart stories that focus on him Not him on a the team. If you have it. I just want to read Philip Kennedy Johnson’s Green lantern soon
The only way that people can be progressive these days in comics is if the characters meet this specific criteria: 1. Female diversity ✓ 2. Black Indigenous People Of Color inclusivity ✓ 3. L.G.B.T.Q. + representation ✓
I dunnoe why they keep trying to push john stewart down our throats esp at the expense of hal like they did w the recent gl animated movie. Like ffs get a decent writer behind him and actually do some character snd world building w him instead of just pushing him as the token black guy of the jla/corps
The original Mosaic was a world made up of pieces of hundreds of other worlds..a 'Mosaic' patchwork of worlds, Basically the Battle World from the original Secret Wars but in DC made by one of the Guardians. John was like the planetary Marshal/sheriff/protector. I thought it was a well done book back in the day, believe I have the whole run. Great no, but a well written book. Was by Gerard Jones if I remember right. At the end I think all or nearly all peoples on it were killed when Jordan went crazy. John became a Guardian for a time...something like that. Haven't read a GL book in decades, Not read a DC book in YEARS. I just kinda half ass keep up with most comics on the internet now, will see what's been happening and all of that. I don't live close enough to a comic shop to make it worth my while to go to one (130+ mile round trip...YES that's the closest)
I saw it and, its very boring, its 90% talking and 10% action green lantern is my favorite of DC, specially hal jordan, but this is not the science fiction fantasy that geoff johns and robert vendetti made
Dok, respectfully, I’m gonna have to stop you there. John Stewart Green Lantern is a great Lantern character - when written/portrayed well. Your issue with John Stewart, just like us diehard Lantern fans is that the Lantern corps hasn’t been written properly in several years. John has a serious demeanor, but when he cracks jokes they should actually be funny. He just hasn’t been utilized well in the comic-space. DC needs a great writer that understands the Lantern lore and can execute it well without pushing an agenda
According to Grant Morrison’s substack, Didio was seeking to make the largest change in the publishing line in 50 years. He overachieved; he went over 60 years back to a period that superhero comics were essentially dead except for Superman and Batman.
"If it ain't broke, fix the hell out of it!" - Daniel DiDio (pretty much).
Makes sense since Teen Titans and The Legion of Super-Heroes was so mistreated for decades.
by doing what exactly?
It’s almost like it was a bad idea to hire someone who publicly said he hated Hal Jordan and didn’t like Geoff Johns, to write GL comics.
This might sound stupid but I think Thorne is racist against white people. Destroying Johns green lantern legacy and pushing a black character too aggressively...
Geoff johns made green lantern the top selling book. This current stuff has no readers except TH-cam channels making fun of it.
This isn’t the Green Lantern clone saga. It’s their version of Superman blue/Superman red from the 90’s. Eventually, the 2 Johns will merge back together. They have to, there’s no way that this won’t cause continuity confusion when John appears in other books. Like, isn’t he supposed to take part in Lazarus Planet?
What I've noticed in writing lately is a thing of :"Let's write the current big thing." Ie, time travel and multiverse, and they're relying on these things being popular to sell books and... it's not working because the market is oversaturated with these tropes or whatever you want to call them.
Add in that they don't pay attention to what makes these and the characters work, and you get stuff like this.
I must admit, I like Mosaic, as it had an experimental tone that didn’t affect anything else and was more self contained. John’s involvement was a bit strange, though, but it was nice to see all of the different aliens living under the same roof, some good, some bad, etc
Does DC even have editors that check ideas before they get published into a comic before they later go back and retcon it. How do some of these ideas even get approved?
No, not really. "Editors," in title only.
@@jaylucien669 I agree with you. Editors are nothing more than yes - men who wave through any nonsense. And DC has to live with that.😒
If Thorne actually wrote a Stewart story I would have bought all the issues, but half the comic was about Jo, the most annoying GL in the corp. I absolutely hate the character, those big oversized energy glasses look ridiculous, what’s the point of those? They don’t hide her identity, they’re simply a fashion statement.
With how incompetent DC's editorial seems to be I wouldn't be surprised if they thought they hired a different Geoff, the one that wrote actual good Green Lantern.
You might be onto something there lol.
😂 Wouldn't surprise me
I didn't even know this existed, and I go to my comic shop regularly and actively review the DC solicitations every month looking for stuff to pull. I think my brain just kind of blocked this out because Thorne's run had already ended and even beforehand it was clear this isn't going to matter going forward. Nice to see my subconscious was right!
I don’t get this green lantern story I am confused why are there two John Stewart’s what was even happening in this story.
Hypertime is basically "the omniverse" of time concepts. It's very bloated, confusing and a headache to try and figure out (which I still haven't). Don't even waste a single braincell on it. It ain't worth it lol.
I do like John Stewart, not because he "looks like me", but he is a cool character. When they added the Marine turned architect elements, it made sense why he was in the room and calling shots, with the other heavy hitters, like Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. But therein lies the problem. He typically works when in that pantheon of gods. One would hope that, if there comes a solo book, he'll be given the depth befitting a big gun member, of the JLA. Too much focus is put on "he's the black guy". When I was in the Navy, up to now, I'm not just the black guy (quite a few of my coworkers are white). If they want people to care about a character, they should look to what works. Characters should have layers, nuance, personality and purpose. Making a character the best, because they are *insert diversity point*, or even just because, will never work. See Roman Reigns' face push.
But yeah, John Stewart can be really good. I love how intricate his constructs are, I how he can lead, being a good soldier, before getting the ring. There are things there, that a good writer can explore. Too bad there aren't any good writers, at DC.
I agree with you. I first got a full intro to Stewart during EVS' "Rebirth" arc. I remember how Stewart was described... he had a level of precision and structural understanding so solid, that all of his constructs had bolts and rivets and struts as if they had been built from the ground up from scratch. The precision and discipline of a soldier with the fundamental understanding of structure that an architect has. I've loved John since.
If anything, I'm not on the bandwagon just because I'm a Black person and Stewart is Black. I actually worry that his ethnicity will make DC turn him into another Miles Morales. John is great because of who he is, not what he looks like.
True... In fact thats why i always liked the idea of a GL movie were Hal and John are the two main characters, Hal has too much will and Jon its a pretty focused man... Both with Kyle are the best depictions of what a Lantern is.
I admit that i like more Hal for his involment in the lore, with that he becomes THE Green Lantern... But John Honestly its a better person to weald the Ring on who the thinks.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I agree with you. Hal and John would do great in a movie where they have to work together - Hal, the willful maverick; John, the deliberate and disciplined officer. Done right, I think that present excellent chemistry and make for a great story.
@@scribblerjones Totally...
But then you have ppl to try to make John THE Green Lantern of the DC universe... And...
HE doesn't have the enough character, at least not like how they try and try to manage him.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798 I don't get why there is such a push to just now make Stewart the main Lantern and sideline Hal... oh, wait. I think I understand why, now that you mention it. It's just like what Marvel are trying to do with Miles Morales - and what they failed to do with ReeRee Williams: replace the "problematic" White male lead with a politically acceptable "person of color."
Even as a John Stewart fan, I know that Hal came before him - and while I love John, I'm a Jordan fan as well. Hal Jordan is THE Green Lantern. Full stop. Skin color and respectability politics be damned. I'm all for showcasing another character properly, but I draw a line at replacing a character just because there are identity boxes to be checked.
GL don't have a single decent run since Hal Jordan and The Green Lantern Corps ended.It's sad.
Excited to see what PKJ brings to the table.
For whatever reason Hal Jordan who I think is the greatest lantern has not gotten any luv in comics or even the DC animated movies over the last few years.
Hal Jordan is a straight white male and therefore, he is persona non grata in DC Comics these days.
The 2011 movie derailed Hal's momentum and he's never really recovered since. I
@@jaylucien669 A awful movie.🖖
No one can write Green lantern other than Geoff Jones, everyone who came after him to write the character was bad at the job , prove me wrong
Wrong. Venditti continued after Geoff Johns at a very high level. Yes we had the worst run ever after)
(Morrison ( immediately followed by a new worst run (Thorne.)
You’re spitting rn. I’ve had no interest in reading anything other than Geoff Johns green lantern and Peter J’s green lantern corps
Geoff John's run was amazing. Vendetti's run was mediocre.
Johns was great if you leave out the sh!t show of Hal Jordan coming back in Green Lantern Rebirth
@@scinnyc Yeah, I don't blame Geoff Johns, he was dealing with a tangled mess.
Hal's been moved to be closer to Guy Gardner (especially in the animation shows). He's very different from his 60s, and 70's personality. Even different from his 80s.
DC hasn't known what to do with John Stewart as a solo Green Lantern since he took Hal's place for a while during the 80s. Stiff personality or not, a good writer could've done him justice.
same problem when they brought jason todd back no one knows what to do w him except write him as the angry batfamily member
I agree
I will definitely be reading the PKJ Green Lantern series. It is unfortunate that Tamaki is writing one as well which I likely won't be reading. I won't lie I was hoping PKJ would get scooped up by Marvel to write any of the characters I like if I'm honest. Hell DC should've given him Batman since he is their best writer now.
Pkj is writing the alien book at marvel, it won’t blow your mind but it’s pretty good.
PKJ is really good but Jeremy Adams is the best writer at DC these days.
@@jaylucien669 I love PKJ, but I agree with you here!! Flash is phenomenal, and I honestly need them to give him more books at this point! If he doesn't at least get an Animal Man title soon, it'll be a crime👏🏻
Here's my problem with John Stewart: He is boring af. He is the most boring Green Lantern of all. He only has a couple of times where he shines, in the Geoff Johns run and the Robert Venditti run, but just for a couple of issues, because he doesn't have that backstory one can relate to him. Anyone can relate to Hal, Kyle, Jessica, Guy, even Simon. People only like John Stewart because of the early 2000's Justice League cartoons, that's all. But John Stewart has to be the most boring and predictable Green Lantern of all. Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner are the best Green Lanterns in the Corps, but for some reason, DC does not care for Kyle anymore.
The funny thing is that people who still love him from the 20+ year old tv show don’t even know there are other lanterns. If you liked John so much, you would’ve looked up Green Lantern once, right?
Reading the Geoff Johns run, all John did was cry about Xanshi and everything he’s lost. He had cool moments but he’s definitely the most boring Green Lantern. Justice League Unlimited John is amazing. I’m watching season 2 rn and I love his growth/development but that’s not who he is in comics
@@kenlsten4651 That's how I found out about other Green Lanterns.
Kyle always was the most boring GL to me.He was a cannon fodder until Morrison JLA run that improve the character.John have a interesting run in GL Mosaic.
@@kenlsten4651 Exactly, those people say "He is my favorite", but have they ever read about another Green Lanterns ?
John Stewart: The Emerald Knight is a book that exists. I look foward to PKJ's GL series, I'm confident he can deliver a good series.
I think an anthology book could work for Green Lantern, ideally it would focus on the alien lanterns(since they don't really get the spotlight), the stories would be one issue or two maximum. We could see stuff like Abin Sur's first mission as a GL or Kilowog fighting space barbarians that are trying to take over Planet X in the present day.
Now _this_ approach is a legitimate reason to have an anthology
@@benevolentremnant2949 Agreed, it's not too shabby of an idea.
i hope the new run is retcon oh god i will do anything for a retcon
I am glad I walked pass that confusing issue....John Stewart is like falcon cap not the winner DC wants .
Hal Jordan is my favorite GL alongside Kyle Rayner. But why ? Why in the name of God, Mariko Tamaki is writing Hal Jordan ? Does God hates me that much ? I haven't read a good Hal Jordan run since Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps by Robert Venditti and that short Grant Morrison run. Being a Green Lantern fan nowadays sucks.
Diversity
I grabbed Mosaic back in the 90’s. Can’t remember if it was any good but I collected everything Green Lantern related back then. I do remember Ch’p being run over and killed by a green lantern ring construct of a truck. The Guy Gardner series and character design was pretty bad in the 90’s. All this eventually paved the way to Geoff Johns revitalizing the entire Green Lantern mythos with Green Lantern Rebirth.
The Guy Gardner series was awesome when he went to Qward and got Sinestros yellow ring. Making him a sort of anti-green lantern. That’s when Guy was at his peak potential as a character, I think. But then that warrior nonsense came and was just dumb.
Couldn't agree more ! Aside from John Stewart being my least favorite GL, it seems like noone at DC knows WTF to do with the GL Corps.
As a LONG TIME GL fan, I have zero interest in a Hal or John title. Where's Guy Gardner? Or Kyke Rayner? Or even Simon Baz? He'll, I'd even take a B'Dg (or GNORT!!) title over the shit they have going on.
I want to see more of Kyle.
Guy represents everything the woke despise in a character.
I gotta admit: I loved Mosaic. It was before the JL cartoon and no one really had a handle on John's personality. It was fun and interesting.
2 universes. Positive and Anti-Matter is really all they need. I enjoyed Zero Hour, but Hypertime still confuses the hell outta me, and I don't understand why they brought it back. It's an over-thought concept, just like the multi-verse, and especially, the omni-verse. Things don't need to or ever should be this complicated.
Hypertime is confusing because it was only meant to exist between Crisis On Infinite Earths and Infinite Crisis. It was basically an unstable version of the multiverse that was linked to both time and space. But with the multiverse restored hypertime makes no sense
dok is right about mosiac. which is why i keep wondering why stewart fans keep clinging to it as one of his defining moments
It was pretty damn boring. And not very “green laterny”. Poor attempt at being artsy.
Not the clone saga but the groan saga
I honestly cannot believe I defended this guy. This issue was boring...so boring. There was no effort at all to end this run on a high note.
I feel like they don't understand the Green Lantern mythos other more. I miss the other Lantern corps.
Guy Gardner should be used.
Guy is very under rated. I think it'd be good to make a Guy and John duo series...they're personalities are so different from each other they'd almost be like DC's Cable and Deadpool type odd couple
I like Guy Gardner. He is a strong character. 🖖
I like Jon Stewart in the Justice League because he is a boring, square military tactics guy whereas Hal is a maverick space cowboy. But anyone who says Jon Stewart is a great character and hates Hal Jordan I just assume it's racial, Jon Stewart is the Barry Allen (boring block of wood zero personality) of the GL corps.
Also, Geoff Thorne GL completely discredited another TH-camr recommendations for me when they continually praise it, and act as though we just didn't have an incredible 15 year run (Geoff Johns through Robert Venditti.(
Mosaic started off good, got me hooked and then went off the rails. As for John Stewart, he could be written well. I envision him as being a drill sergeant in the Green Lantern Corps. Breaking in new recruits and finding out their specialties would be something he could do well and with a changing cast it could be kept very interesting. Let him lean into his role as a serious leader.
So sad that the cool cover art was wasted on this story :(
Why did they have to give Hal to Tamaki?! Can't they get her a co-writer?
Whenever someone says omniverse I think of the Ben 10 cartoon which does that idea much better.
I don’t know much of the Thorne Green lantern run. But it doesn’t sound like I’m missing much.
they hired the I'm not a Starfire writor to write Green Lantern. lol I can't anymore
Marvel: "what if we exclusively hire people who hate the characters and established lore?"
WOOHOO! Dc Figured out how to play both sides of the fence! Hypertime can split all the heroes in two so you can have LGBTQ JLA and Regular JLA! They can clone EVERYONE! Can we please PLEASE just blame all this on Bernard and get it over with! Why doesn't DC just make its own version of the Ultimate universe?
Take Emerald Night, Tween drawn Robin, I am Not Batman, Yarwonderwoman, Jon Kent...etc and just Hypertime them to this universe. That way people can have their Emerald Knight AND their Green Lantern, and when the one set of books FAILS...maybe, just maybe DC will knock this off.
Until of course we have Dark....Greenweb?! The Evil John Stewart Emerald Knight vs John Stewart the Green Lantern? Will anyone buy it? Will anyone care? Will DC hire Chris Cantwritewell to help Geoff Thorne write it?!
I haven’t read a green lantern since Morrisons run turned into Morrisonion indecipherable gibberish. And I don’t plan on reading it again until a top notch creator is on the book.
What a horrible issue. Honestly, taking 2 years for John to defeat a villain he beat on his first day of ascension is just insulting to John as a character. He’s not that dumb. Thinking back on the whole series (I will not call this garbage a run), Thorne has a poor grasp of John’s personality and style. He’s a leader and an ex-marine. He doesn’t run into situations or carry cumbersome swords around. He wouldn’t return to the dark sectors without a cavalry, especially after rebuilding the corps. He wasted 2 years of everyone’s lives in the dark sector and everyone who died during that time is John’s fault. It’s already abundantly clear Thorne hates the green lanterns as a concept but I genuinely think he hates John most of all. what’s worse: Writing a character you hate with some respect or writing a character you love so horribly that people might hate them because of you?
Thorne took away part of his background bringing back Katma(but letting his clone self find and be with her) as well as bringing back Xanshi. Even while split John's no longer an actual GL but a pseudo New God. Made Jessica a yellow lantern with no ending. Mashed Green/Blue/Pink lanterns into one power battery for some reason while forcing members to change. I pray this will just get retconned as Elseworld and no one continues off this mess.
I liked Thorne's initial run, but this one shot was just.... um.... ahh..... just no. Why are there two John Stewarts? I liked the art though.
Well ordered this issue one it maybe only issue of green lantern I order until hal Jordan returns now
I bought the first couple issues of Mosaic when it came out but didn’t like it enough at the time to continue.
I went back and bought the series later and really liked it for all the weirdness. I think I was just in the right frame of mind at that time of my life. I may not appreciate it as much if I read it again, but who knows?
Ok, Dok just gave me a flashback to the horrors of Igor Kordey’s X-men…
In this way the last age of heroes ended, by diversity, inclusion, equity and feelz.
They all hate us and they want us all to D.I.E. (Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity).
😩Oh the horror. John Stewart gets the main focus again after he had an unpopular, 18 issue limited series 30 years ago😆
So, DC is repeating the same failures of Marvel’s X-Men?
A shame that DC and Marvel think more of Twitter likes vs. the comic book stores being able to sell this mess.
there are two Johns what?
Not sure the next GL writer will fair any better LOL 😆
I didn't even know this was out there. Thornes green lantern is straight garbage.
I just purchased my first manga today. A day of celebration.
John Stewart can be done right. He's significantly more interesting than Kyle Rayner who was wishy-washy and never necessary. In the mid 80s Hal Jordan quits and John Stewart takes over for the next couple of years. This was before Mosaic which was terrible. I agree that John Stewart lacks the charm of Hal Jordan. He's a writers idea of what a former Marine would be while Hal Jordan is the pilots from Top Gun. That doesn't mean though that John Stewart can't be written well as the primary Green Lantern of Earth. Go back to the pre Mosaic books and you'll see they are solid. I'm hoping for good things from PKJ with this character. He's interesting and it would be nice to read a good John Stewart solo book for the first time since the mid 80s.
Thorne is a good writer (just checkout the one episode of the 2011 THUNDERCATS series he wrote and the final and only good season of the AVENGERS ASSEMBLE animated series to see some of his best work). I haven't fully completely read a single issue of any of his GL run (I just couldn't get into it sense I'm not a huge GL fan), but the little of a random issue that I have read and flipped through (and based on many pass GL comics I have read and various GL animated projects that I have seen), the main problem with GL as a whole is that the character is not unique within the DCU due to him being around numerous other GL Corps members. GL is also way too powerful when it comes to the various things that his ring can do. When you have GL able to make water or working machines made out of light, you have jumped the shark in being over powered. Dial back GL's powers and dial back him always hanging out with the corps and DC might be able to sell a GL book. They also need to make Hal the only GL of Earth and make all of those other human GL Corps members a new version of the Darkstars who will now be Hal's deputies on Earth. Hell, they should just create a new GL book called "GREEN LANTERN AND THE DARKSTARS" and go from there.
I dipped out of comics back around 2011. Whenever it was that they renumbered Detective and Action comics. That wasn’t the reason I ran for zee hills, but it was sort of a symptom. It seemed blasphemous and short sighted. Like when Alonso was putting out all those weird point one issues. It just said to me that they didn’t care about keeping the numbering and volume information from becoming overly convoluted, because they literally didn’t imagine anyone would ever be going back and reading the shit they were publishing. History stopped mattering; it was all about keeping their heads above water for the next month or two and if a new number 1 would boost sales, then that was all that mattered.
I don’t know. I watch your videos because I still love comics. I miss coming home from class back in the 2000s and jumping on the newsarama forums and guessing the next X-men roster or whatever. It’s so depressing. I still have my dozens and dozens of omnibuses (I’m not sure if that’s the plural of omnibus but whatever). I’ve got my marvel unlimited and dcu infinite subs. But I keep hoping to hear from you that things have turned a corner. That Jim Lee had his key card revoked. Anything. I guess I’ll have to keep waiting.
I dipped out in late 2007 due to personal financial issues. By 2011 I was again in a position to jump back in but the entire idea of N52 turned me off. I was very attached to the old Post-Crisis DCU. Shoot, I still am. DiDio's motivation for the N52 reboot was really nothing more than a big cash grab. I guess he figured with the talent he had on staff (and they were loaded), that everything would eventually just fall into place. Nope! A reboot of that magnitude takes a lot of time and planning to execute properly. It can't and shouldn't ever be done a whim. N52 is one of many bone head decisions that man made during his time in charge.
No no no no no no. It bad enough that Saladin Ahmed plagiarized the Clone Saga, I forbid another clone saga from happening in DC comics. There already clones in DC universe. Bizarro, doomsday, Conner Kent, Damian’s clone that I forgot his name. I believe Guy Garner have a clone too.
Why can’t Geoffrey Thorne’s series can’t be a different continuity? Heck Teen Lantern by Joise Campbell is from the Future State continuity. And I said again It embarrassing for Geoffrey Thorne that Joise Campbell managed to fleshed out teen lantern better than him and that only one story in future state.
Oh Yeah Teen Lantern is still in a Coma. This comic didn’t reveal Teen Lantern’s whereabouts didn’t it?
Something like this happen with Mister Miracle Source of Freedom. That there’s Two Thaddeus Brown in DC. oneThaddeus who’s white guy from Batman’s Detective comics and The new JSA Golden age and the other Thaddeus is a black guy in Source of freedom. I can’t tell which is canon to mainstream continuity. Even the DC wiki doesn’t even know.
I kinda agreed with you Wes, even that terrible Beware my Power movie adapted All of Kyle Rayner Stories but the movie made it about John Stewart. I believe DC is avoid Kyle because the fridge myth.
Wes, there is John Stewart anniversary omnibus. It might have John Stewart stories that focus on him Not him on a the team. If you have it.
I just want to read Philip Kennedy Johnson’s Green lantern soon
Omniverse/Hypertime no continuity bs again. There is no continuity in DC. 2 John Stewart's is so dumb
The character does not have to be interesting today. He just has to be black. Then you check your inclusivity and diversity box.
The only way that people can be progressive these days in comics is if the characters meet this specific criteria:
1. Female diversity ✓
2. Black Indigenous People Of Color inclusivity ✓
3. L.G.B.T.Q. + representation ✓
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I dunnoe why they keep trying to push john stewart down our throats esp at the expense of hal like they did w the recent gl animated movie. Like ffs get a decent writer behind him and actually do some character snd world building w him instead of just pushing him as the token black guy of the jla/corps
The original Mosaic was a world made up of pieces of hundreds of other worlds..a 'Mosaic' patchwork of worlds, Basically the Battle World from the original Secret Wars but in DC made by one of the Guardians. John was like the planetary Marshal/sheriff/protector. I thought it was a well done book back in the day, believe I have the whole run. Great no, but a well written book. Was by Gerard Jones if I remember right. At the end I think all or nearly all peoples on it were killed when Jordan went crazy. John became a Guardian for a time...something like that.
Haven't read a GL book in decades, Not read a DC book in YEARS. I just kinda half ass keep up with most comics on the internet now, will see what's been happening and all of that. I don't live close enough to a comic shop to make it worth my while to go to one (130+ mile round trip...YES that's the closest)
PKJ isn't going to be any better.
This run kept me 😴😴
I saw it and, its very boring, its 90% talking and 10% action
green lantern is my favorite of DC, specially hal jordan, but this is not the science fiction fantasy that geoff johns and robert vendetti made
Dok, respectfully, I’m gonna have to stop you there. John Stewart Green Lantern is a great Lantern character - when written/portrayed well.
Your issue with John Stewart, just like us diehard Lantern fans is that the Lantern corps hasn’t been written properly in several years. John has a serious demeanor, but when he cracks jokes they should actually be funny. He just hasn’t been utilized well in the comic-space.
DC needs a great writer that understands the Lantern lore and can execute it well without pushing an agenda