WES AND FACTS GO TOGETHER LIKE PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY! 00:00 - Personal Grievances in Comic Books 00:41 - Fed up with repetitive nature of Marvel and DC 01:25 - The Challenges of Writing for Mainstream Comics 02:06 - Hawk Girl and Smallville Joanne Stair's Midlife Crisis Fantasy 02:49 - Lesbians infiltrating the comic book industry 03:33 - The Marvel Comics Problem 04:17 - Critique of the Wolverine Book 05:00 - Multiple Versions of Characters in Comics 05:43 - Frustration with Marvel's Variant Characters 06:27 - Amanda Waller: Overused in DC Comics 07:10 - Impact of Amanda Waller in DC Comics 07:52 - The Problem with Amanda Waller 08:41 - The Incompetent Suicide Squad and Amanda Waller's Overuse 09:20 - Rebooting Captain Marvel 09:59 - Rebooting Storylines and Declining Sales 10:42 - Continuation of Moon Knight storyline 11:28 - Marvel Comics and DC Comics Gimmickry 12:13 - The Terrible Way DC Comics Handled Their Lines 12:54 - Tom Taylor's Shockingly Good Comic 13:39 - The Controversy Surrounding DC Comics Events 14:21 - The Negative Impact of Royalties in DC Comics 15:04 - DC Comics' Need for Change 15:44 - Done with Comic Books 16:24 - Pop Culture Talk with Aaron Sparrow
I’m tired of girl bosses in the comics and I’m a woman. I don’t want characters with established histories retconned so that they swing the other way. I want heroes to stop acting like villains. I’m tired of villains all being sympathetic.
Heck I still remember when the girl bosses were just called mary sues. For over the years, they never learn. People relate more to characters that can fail, struggle, over unstoppable gods of war. For they don't even try and pretend these characters can fail in a majority of cases. That making your character unlikable, who lashes out at everyone for no good reason. Drives people away. Of course rather than admit their writing is bad, they will keep pinning the blame on the reader base.
@@tacticianAlexandra Yes exactly that, for some reason these writers think making these female characters with no flaws, who just overcome any obstacles with ease is going to appeal to people, it’s very bizarre.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- Yeah their own egos are way to big. They think they are better than the past, yet fail to learn a thing from it. Like why did these old characters work and these new ones don't? That or hey why do people like all these female characters in manga, while they dislike the ones we make?
@@InfamyOrDeath-__-As someone who read and wrote fanfics for decades, I can say no one who has matured past their teens will like a Mary Sue self-insert, and the teens will only like THEIR OWN self-inserts. What this says about the Marvel and DC Comics writers responsible for creating (or turning preexisting characters into) Mary Sue self-inserts, is obvious.
I’m sick of writers feeling the need to “reinvent” every character’s world building. Can we STOP retconing everybody’s backstory? Punisher, Nightcrawer, Joker, etc. move FORWARD, people!
For me, the most egregious things comics has ever done was the recent treatment of the Punisher: the complete destruction of a beloved and long-established character simply because Marvel executives don't agree with the politics of that character's fans. It's stupid, it's petty, it's self-destructive, it shows what Marvel really thinks of their fans and it's the reason I will never buy another Marvel comic again.
Oof yeah and that panel where they are having super man under a red light getting ass raped by those guard doods.;... Gay rape humiliation. They cant just have the private right to do waht they want in their own bedrooms they ahve to force their perversions on all of us in every medium they can get their hands on. "We just want to get married" - 2013. 10 years ago...
-What's annoying is when they take away the attractive female characters and cover them up, making them ugly, and act like toxic female characters, ala Carol Danvers. -When they nerf or belittle the male characters. Well this is an not only an issue with comics, it's an issue in a lot of modern day mainstream western entertainment. -The need to make something "modern", "diverse", and "inclusive", is annoying and a turn off. -When a new or unknown character knows a more popular character all of a sudden. The more popular, existing, character shouldn't know the new character from a can of paint, but they're so close and is the best friend of the newer character. All the characters acting like the new character is the best thing since sliced 🍞. Like Kamala Khan, remember how "sad" every character was when she "died"? When did all the characters trust or know her? When had she *earned* respect? It would of made sense if it was characters who knew her, but total strangers, being broken up over her "death". Which was only like a month, before she came back to life. When were the characters so close to her? This applies to other characters too, but Kamala is just an example. The things that is missing is character development. _Show don't tell_ how supposedly "great" Kamala Khan is, along with other characters like her. If the fans of comics don't care about her, why should the characters? The comics could of gave fans a break from her after she "died" because how annoying she is, but they didn't. -When a character that was canonically straight is all of sudden made a different race, gender, sexuality, out of nowhere, and everybody is cool with it. There's too many examples to be listed. -Deconstructing without reconstructing. Character assassination, and having characters act out of character.
Yea that is awful tbh what they are doing to women making them ugly. These are a series of fictional fantasy worlds mostly directed at young and middle aged men. We the men have NO problem at all having massive ripped and buff male super heroes but all these women have a BIG BIG problem with any man daring to look at a woman and see a feminine, clearly female, well endowed and in shape female. The reason is because look at the freak show of human obesity and hair dye that the entertainment industry in general has working for them. They DEI'd themselves into the grave.
I’ve had it with new number one issues every year. It isn’t even done when a creative team changes anymore!! I loved the feeling of the continuity and the whole universe being one giant story that has the numbering continue for years and even decades! Wrote this while watching the video, so you might actually cover this too…
Thats my biggest pet peeve! Numbers used to mean something. You knew what someone was talking about if they referred to their "181" or "129". These constant renumberings are driving me crazy. You kind of knew where Marvel's head was the first time they put that giant oversized "1" on the cover.
Just read comics up until 2012, there is a lot of good shit. I can live reading X-MEN Claremont era over and over again for example and never get tired.
The Woke Sh*t ... is destroying the comic book industry...!! Yes, painful...!! When they turned Alan Scott gay... I was done.!! I'm pretty well done with both Marvel and DC...!! Too much crap.!! Good job seeing this stuff....ah, ... crap.!!
I’m tired of the X-Men fighting no name robots, monsters, clones, animal people, thugs, Kaiju, etc. I want them to fight actual villains and real threats with real consequences.
I agree I like what DC did with dark Knights metal and dark nights death metal events. You could argue that they should kinda overused batman who laughs but at least they were fun and entertain to read something that is not really common enough nowadays
Multiverses feel like it should be an annual event, or maybe one that occurs ever 2 or 5 years. It's fine to have comics sole focused on A different universe, but I don't want it to be a constant thing that's always used and referenced to. It takes away meaning and stakes. I also don't want to see a thousand variants. Good and evil (Earth 1 and 3) is all we really need, honestly.
That doesn't track. The Palmiotti/Conner run in 2009-2011 was really fun and had a Keith Giffen flavor to it, and nobody complained then that a 'minor character' was being given too much attention. Then Power Girl was virtually buried and ignored for over a decade because she was too un-PC. It's only because the activists recently discovered her and wanted to 'remake' her that she was brought back out of obscurity to serve their agenda. They like her because she has a girlboss background, so they play that attitude up while toning down the sexy that should go along with it.
@@heroineburghI haven't seen any of DC's recent books, but let me guess what happened: the SJW writers turned Power Girl into something she's not, to support their agenda, didn't they? They learned NOTHING from the sinking sales of any and all HETEROSEXUAL superheroes the SJWs turned gay- ignoring DECADES of history, and alienating loyal fans earned during those decades.
@@locusmortis Not aware of that, but I did see that Power Girl got her one-shot and a new series recently, and it's a whole different character with a new name and new powers. And now she's BFFs with Omen, who used to be called Lilith. Not really digging it.
I'm also tired of writer's Twitter feeds being illustrated and passed off as comics, lazy self inserts that steal the spotlight a la Hawkgirl, Deadpool, Captain Marvel, etc recently, and creators who know they're doing ragebait for clout then argue in bad faith and attack legit criticism to avoid accountability and actual discourse
You pretty much nailed most of my complaints. Tired of pointless events, derivative characters,multiverse, retcons, characters acting out of character, constant reboots. But most of all the icing on the cake is ridiculous cover prices and $9 plus “special issues”
Things I'm sick of 1: Families of titles - Everyone's a Spider-something, Everyone's a Bat-someone, Legion of X-Blah-Wolverinies.... 2: Woke shit: Legion of preachy side of the head shaved pink haired bi-lesbionics. 3: Too many events. So many events that now NOTHING is an EVENT. 4: Prices to high - 4.99 becoming the standard price of comics sucks ass 5: Every comic gets at least 4 variant covers. And they all suck. How about 1 GREAT cover. 6: No consistent characterisation - Every heroes character changes when a new writer starts, there's no real continuity anymore and the "heroes" become a stand in for the writers mental health issues.
Family of Woke Events: The entire set of variant covers are yours for $1000. David Haller, Legion feels empathy for all these new writers. They need group therapy.
You came out of the gate, with something that has bugged me, for years. They downplayed it, when anyone complained. Shamed them. Called them an istaphobe. But it has legitimately killed interest, in many characters. Lesbians coming in, botching up comic stories, and then wondering why fans hate it. "Oh, it's because they're all incel misogynists, who hate women and the lgbtq". No. We've read these comics, and kept it going, for years, because we liked seeing something amazing, not which lesbians are making out (or worse!) this week. And if they can't change a character's sexuality, that's okay. That's what self inserts are for. Example, the Fire & Ice book. People talk about cover variants, distribution and pricing. Yes, these things are indeed factors, but what got me to stop reading new comics was the content. Suddenly, every likeable element of many characters was replaced with their gay romance "stories", and any marquee, big name had to be replaced, depowered, upstaged, made to look inferior, because of something unresolved, in the writer's past. Every character they touched is basically useless, now. Not really a Marvel expert, but in DC, Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Harley Quinn, Maxima, Poison Ivy, and others are basically useless. I won't pick up a book, if they're featured, because I know the story will be garbage. Every female is either gay (and subsequently into every female that walks by) or a girl boss, with a new, more modest costume, because. And all the men are ineffectual and can't wait to bow down to to their younger, better, gayer replacements. It's not and exaggeration. It's literally in the books, and they've admitted that that's what they're doing. More than anything, the lack of quality stories, and awful human beings behind them, who actively hate the fanbase, have caused me to stop reading new comics.
Chip Zedarsky and Zeb Wells. Completely mediocre to outright bad everything they touch. Give me some copper aged goodness any day, all day, and Marvel and DC can take their alphabet, equity, social justice, retread, multiple cover endless number one relaunch bullshit and shove it right where the sun never shines. Heck, even slabs are turning out to be problematic, seems like comics are really circling the drain.
Gosh where do we even start? >Hack writers >Terrible dialogue >Boring stories that lead nowhere >Nothing matters, events every 2 months >TRASH artwork Marvel needs a new wave of writers to bring it back. The corporate side of things doesn't help either.
@@MrHayabusaSan I actually was hoping for names, because the problem is, there just aren't a lot of good writers anymore and that's why we get stuck with what we have right now
@WeirdScienceComics Pretty much. I could list all the of all time great writers from the old days who are still with us but we will eventually need new talent to take the mantle and set a new standard to make comic books great again.
This is the LAST DECADE they will have to pull their Crap. Because if the Steamboat Willie Renaissance is any indication, The Nerds getting Superman and Batman even in their Earliest forms will utterly ROFLStomp the current crop of creatives. Time is running out. And their doomed even if they turn it around,
nobody at all is going to read another companies Superman, Batman, etc over DCs - there are already derivatives that people can get now that don't get close to the sales and that's all you will be getting - there will be some at first, but they will all fade away - people will just look at them as knockoffs
MARVEL & DC will do their darnedest to make their characters totally toxic before they enter the public domain. Why would any company turn their top superheroes into punks/gays? There's no future for crime fighters who don't fight crime and there's no way to go back to how things were before. It may be a slow time coming, but it is over for certain characters. They will not be able to recover.
The number ONE problem are both marvel and DC management themselves. The big2 management are the root of the problem that needs to be uprooted first. Mabuhay!
From what I've gathered from other friends reading current DC/Marvel i hear that a lot of books that are branded as solo books are essentially all team books. The concept of "everyone is a hero" would drive me nuts!
That is how they trying to ruin Peter life and replace him with Miles i used to like Miles but now when they forced him being better than the OG that is when i started to hate Miles though his liveaction movie is coming they will do same again🙄🙄
@@she-venom9842 In the games Miles greatness is built on Peters failure. Miles need other people to suck to make him look good, oof!? They really don't have faith in Miles imo.
@@PrivateCitizen84Yeah even when Peter was losing his job they did nothing to help him they just stand there and do nothing🙄 yet they begged him for help to fight Sandman
I was just contemplating this very notion. A lot of these characters were created at a time when editors just wanted the pages filled so there would be a comic for the kids to buy every month. Not even Superman and Batman were expected to still exist almost 90 years after they were created. At some point, every single idea will be exhausted every few years, especially when a character appears 5-6 times a month. These characters have a shelf life that’s long since expired.
The general lack of accountability on anything. Nobody ever gets in trouble for any grievance you could think of and that breaks everything. From the top all the way to the bottom, everyone gets away with everything.
Amanda Waller is so fucking boring. She’s like a PTA head who’s gotten a bit too much power. The thing that bugs me most about Marvel is that shit artists get just as much work as excellent artists.
I for one am sick of anything related to the mutliverse. No 10000 versions of spider-man aren't exciting. Its so tired repetitive, boring and lazy. At this point if a story includes the multiverse in any way, im just tempted to turn off tbh
I dont need 50 shades of every character. The bat family is too big, the spider-adjacent cast is too big. The x-roster is too big. Cycle characters in and out, and let them rest a little while.
One of my gripes with comics is when writers stop acknowledging past runs regardless of whether the previous run was good or not. I know a lot of people think Hickman's take on the X-Men was great, but he didn't acknowledge X-men history, take for example, what happened X-men schism and every in-between that run and the unncanny X-men run before Hickman's run, which in my opinion disregarded character development and important events that would actually affect the events like the creation of Krakoa. Nick Spencer is an example of someone who acknowledged Slott's mistakes and used them to build growth for Spiderman as a character and even used Slott's run to create stories where Peter had to deal with the consequences of his actions. ( I know Chip Zdarsky technically did the same, but Spencer did it better) As a person who has been getting into comics, the other thing that really gets on my nerves is the fact that good writers usually write a few books with like one or two good characters, and then the majority of books are written by people who aren't good or the writer isn't good when it comes to writing the characters have more books under their belt for the time being when it comes to Marvel and DC.
@@EvandroACruz Krakoa made them useless but would still sometimes bring them up again as if to bait fans with nostalgia without realising what they picked would, at "best", contradict what is currently happening and, at worst, create enormous plotholes. Krakoa cherrypicks plot elements from the past without understanding their importance or context at all.
Spider-verse became a horrible cómic to read, the last spider-man title (the one that introduce spider-boy), cold war was a disaster and the least i say about the x-men the better 😢
Marvel and DC keep hiring these YA Writers who don’t care about comics. I’m done with DC destroying their legacy characters. I’m done with these writers making heterosexual relationships toxic. I’m done with the unnecessary sexuality swap on established heterosexual characters. I’m tired of the same fail writers getting a job.
I'm sick of reading a title "Insert Character Name" and the whole comic the lead takes a backseat to some new character that was just introduced and they are just so much better than the title character. That and fucking mantle swaps. Oh, and DC putting subpar shit stories in the back of my 6-dollar comic, stories that would rot on shelves if they weren't crammed into a popular book like Batman. Also, people writing for The Punisher that don't understand the character and just insert their personal beliefs onto him to validate their shitty takes.
I'm sick of being told off for things I've never done, from people I wouldn't have an opinion of one way or another in real life. I'm tired of having heroes treated like crap by self insert characters, that talk with unearned authority. I'm definitely tired of putting mantles on multiple people, watering down concepts, especially throwing away unique identities they had already gone by for years.
I'm personally sick of: *The endless event comics *The endless grimdark and too many deconstructions *Unheroic heroes *So many multiverse crossovers... *Frequently screwing Spider-man over *The frequent pushing of politics *Too much Batman and the Joker *Also, the Batman Who Laughs is so overrated its not even funny. Worst part is that Marvel and DC don't care what the readers think anymore...
I'm done with retcons of established characters, gender/race swapping established characters, derivatives of established characters, ignoring legacy stories and events for established characters, "the multiverse", superheroes who don't fight supervillains, supervillains who are actually just "misunderstood" victims of society, and self-inserts for hack writers being placed in superhero books.
There's so many annoying things wrong with comics. My main issues, off the top of my head: 1) Forced diversity / social messaging. Often its out of place, it makes no sense for the characters, its not nuanced, it doesn't make you think. It's just a preachy lecture by someone who often doesn't see all sides of a problem. 2) Reboots - short term sales boost at the expense of pissing off long time readers and making things confusing for new readers. 3) Constant events - Nothing matters anymore and it just interrupts a writers story. I used to get annoyed when events were yearly. Now there are many events each year. When they do them, they also have way to many tie-ins and cross-overs. 4) Not caring about the fans - Some writers outright dislike the fans, but even the editors and higher ups aren't trying to make fans happy. This is highly apparent in Amazing Spider-Man. 5) Mischaracterization - The problem might be more that Marvel and DC are hiring people who aren't fans of comics and don't know the characters, but you'd think the editors would at least know when the writers are mischaracterizing characters or getting the history wrong. Its way too common. Gotham War was an example of this. Dark Crisis: Young Justice was another. 6) Legacy heroes - Cheap cash grabs or PR stunts. I don't think there should be more than one character with the same name.
I’m with you one hundred percent on DC hiring inappropriate writers. Si Spurrier writes longwinded sci-fi, not superhero comics, and is totally not in sync with the flash. Tom King is an indie writer, not a mainstream one, and that’s why he keeps on messing up most of the characters he writes. Etc, etc, etc. bring back the old guard, or at the very least, someone who’s a fan of the character they are writing. BTW, John Ostrander is the only writer that does Amanda Waller and the Suicide Squad justice. Nobody else. PS Reboots suck. Number ones are now like number twos 💩
Golden Age: (1938-1956) Created the greatest characters Superman (Siegel & Schuster), Batman and Robin and The Joker (Finger & Kane), Captain America and The Red Skull (Simon & Kirby), Green Lantern (Finger & Nodell), Green Arrow (Weisinger & Papp), Aquaman (Weisinger & Norris), Wonder Woman (Marston), The Flash (Fox & Lampert)and the Real "Captain Marvel" (Parker & Beck) Silver Age: (1956-1970) Created all the other best characters Spider-Man and The Green Goblin, Daredevil, Doctor Strange, The Fantastic Four with Mister Fantastic, The Invisible Woman, The Human Torch and The Thing and the villain Dr. Doom; then The Avengers with Iron Man, Thor and The Hulk; then The X-Men with Cyclops, Ms. Marvel, Iceman, Angel and The Beast and the villains Magneto, Juggernaut and The Sentinels (Lieber/Lieber/Kirby/Ditko/Heck) Bronze Age: (1970-1985) Wolverine and Storm (Wein), Moon Knight (Moench & Perlin), Blade and Deathstroke (Wolfman), Sabretooth and the Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past (Chris Claremont & Jim Byrne) The Dark Age: (1985-1995) The Dark Knight Returns (Frank Miller), Watchmen/Rorschach (Alan Moore & Gibbons), The Infinity Gauntlet (Jim Starlin & George Perez/Ron Lim), Spider-Man and Venom and Spawn (Todd McFarlane), X-MEN (Jim Lee & Chris Claremont), X-FORCE (Rob Liefeld) Modern Age: (1995-2012) Age of Apocalypse 1996, Infinite Crisis 2005, Allstar Batman & Robin 2008 (Frank Miller & Jim Lee), Civil War 2008 (Mark Millar), AvX 2012 (Bendis) Current Age: (2012-NOW) DONE
over usage of Multiverse. Line wide reboots but keep the sad failure comic writtrs in place. to repeated failures pushing failed characters over and over and refuse to backburner them for any time or watching writters constantly fail but continue to get work is baffling. The million versions of same characters making none of them unique
Gay man here who never, ever asked for my heroes to be gay or any representation in comic books. Also tired of reboot after reboot after reboot. And Wonder Woman not having a good artist since Phil Jimenez or Terry Dodson... To be so popular and the height of beauty in DC, they sure do draw her like puddled mud
You know what I keep reading about the big two is each fans cut off point for this or that character. Which is really sad for you, but really useful for a new reader where to put a full stop on a character like me. So much old is new I got to pick & choose.
Great list, Wes. Absolutely nailed it on the noggin. DC's handling of events is particularly egregious. Here are some more things ruining my hobby: -Beautiful covers, horrible interiors: Someone like Nick Bradshaw, who's a great new talent, will draw you in with a fantastic cover, and then you open up the book and it's absolute amateur hour. I would rather they give this guy a year to do a 3 issue series, or a 3-4 issue run on a book, than 40 covers in a year. It's borderline false advertising, given the lack of talent handling the pencilling duties. And there are about ten of these jabronis who just do covers. Speaking of which... -Done with Alex Ross. I don't know if Marvel has his soul in a jar somewhere or what, but he has completely whored himself out at this point. Seeing one of his covers used to be an automatic buy. It used to mean something. Now he draws whatever D-List character for whatever crap title Marvel puts in front of him, with some really odd design choices, too. And this is the same PITA who wouldn't paint Kyle Rayner because it was a character that didn't exist in Ross's "head canon." What the hell happened to this guy?! -Speaking of head canon, the Alan Scott I know ceased to exist about ten years ago, I guess. Green Lantern does not go trawling for male prostitutes down by the docks. He just doesn't. Anyone associated with this current series should be future endeavored.
I thunk the biggest gripe ive got with the western comic industry, is theyre all so entitled and rude and judgmental. They all act like theyre the victim while all i ever see is them shitting on fans who actually care. Most of what they write isnt that good, but its not a death sentence. Its really just the inability to accept critisism and make changes accordingly. They act as if its the readers fault for not enjoying their stories (i.e. youre a racist or a bigot or an idiot)
Reboots/Relaunches for absolutely no reason, most times with the same creative team and storyline. Most times with a higher price point. Events. Been done since King in Black, but they've gotten worse. Nothing more than empty cash grabs. Non-continuity titles. Looking at you Ultimates and whatever garbage DC is about to launch. Sidekicks. You know exactly what is coming, the sidekick is the real main character who eventually takes over the book. Dropped Ghost Rider on issue 7, and Hulk looks to be heading the same direction. Good to bad artist cycling on books. Why can't Nic Klein do more than 3 issues of Hulk in a row? Marvel and DC in general. Nothing exciting going on. I'm reading 1 title and it's on thin ice. The quality of the physical book are going down, the creative teams are getting worse and the price is going up.
Boom-Boom and Jubilee got internships working at the 616 in-universe Marvel Comics, then got jobs as writers and editors due to them playing some guilt shenanigans on the previous editors/writers - "Only a superhero can write a superhero book!", "Only a mutant can understand feeling alienated!". Being the pranksters that they are, J and BB made parodies of the heroes in the comics for the tee-hee lulz. The comics currently being produced in our real world are the parody comics from the 616 universe. Meanwhile the 616 heroes are actually having proper superhero adventures and doing proper superhero stuff. We just don't get to see it until J and BB are fired from 616 Marvel. I'm waiting for the moment where the rest of the X-men find out how J and BB are representing them in the parody comics. Iceman be like "you made me what now?" Other options are: Instead of J and BB, Dr Doom or Red Skull has bought Marvel and is using it to undermine their foes; In a universe where Moon Girl is smarter than Mr Fantastic, despite being a child and far less educated, that Mr Fantastic is kinda dumb and only thinks his universe is 616, but it's really 617.
I left comics in the Mid 90s, I started with Marvel but didn't like much after 1993 or so, I collected a lot of Image stuff until it became apparent that all they had was good artwork (debateable depending on what books we're talking about), and I bought tons of Valiant until Acclaim took over. I came back in 2009 because I saw JLU and The Animated Wonder Woman movie.. I realized I missed out on DC stuff, so thats where I jumped back in. I liked a lot of individual stories, but saw that the Crossovers really messed everything up (one can say that's always been the case). I dropped out of buying new comics after the New 52 began and settled in to buying Trades and Omnibuses of the older runs I missed out on and I've never looked back. Going back the classic runs from Marvel and DC, I could see how far comics have fallen. When you read the introductions to the Trades and omnibuses you get a lot of insights as to how comics were handled back then, how much more passionate the creators were and how they understood their roles as custodians of these characters. They made sure as much as possible that the characters not only had their own voices, but that they stayed true to that voice as much as they could (would usually slip when an inexperienced fill-in writer would come in for a moment, but otherwise they were pretty good about it). they really had love for these characters and seemed to want to see them have Great Adventures as much as the readers did. Why did that end? When did the Egomaniacs take over? I'll never understand how things were allowed to get this bad, but I've certain of one thing, DC and Marvel are never going back, even if they changed course tomorrow, the damage is done and it's too extensive to be repaired :(
I am tired of Marvel giving all sorts of characters a symbiote. For example, Black Widow was recently given a symbiote and will maintain that symbiote during the upcoming Black Widow Hawkeye 60th anniversary mini-series. Many interesting things Black Widow can do, doesn.t need a symbiote. BTW Kelly Thompson wrote a 1 through 50 Captain Marvel series, no reboot during her run. Kelly Sue Deconnick wrote two separate Captain Marvel series with two separate #1's
Im genuinly depressed with the state of mainstream comics (marvel/DC), they used to provide a weekly escape into their world away from the problems of our world. Only now is that my favourite comic titles have all but been infiltrated by this nonsense
1000% agree that this lesbian-fan-fiction needs to stop using well established heroes, a majority of whom that have always been straight; just to fit within the story they want to write. There are great gay-characters in virtually every universe already, use them to tell your story. DC needs to stop w/ this whole "family thing" their doing cuz there's the Bat-Family, Superman-Family, Flash-Family, Green Arrow-Family, Wonder Woman-Family &the Shazam-Family. Not every hero needs to be part of a family it's extremely boring. Marvel needs to stop trying to redeem every villain in their universe. If your a popular villain they'll give you a redemption arc but now they all get to play hero. Stop please stop Marvel, most of these people are war-criminals a # of them committed genocide or they've just killed thousands of people
Basically for me I am tired of dc trying push aged up Jonathan Samuel kent superman because he isn’t Superman and will never will be, all I want is dc to finally deage Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and and finally undo all the damage caused by my boy with Jon Kent and just bring back my boy back Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy back to his little 10 years old self and boom problem solved everybody wins.
Im with you on the multiple of the same hero thing. I had pretty much had my fill of it after the little arc in the 90s spiderman cartoon. I could never get myself to watch spider verse even though ive basically only heard good things about it and the 2nd one seems like they amp that part up alot. To me it just kinda waters it down especially with the 100s of new spider people lol That said I did like the arc in Invincible with the evil versions of himself
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 Well I give the old cartoon a pass since its decades old and seen it first as a kid and maybe its more acceptable because theyre still all Peter except for Ben reilly as far as I can remember.Its the same type of thing with Invincible,they were all evil versions of Mark.If they were different people that werent alternate versions of Mark claiming to be invincible I probably wouldve been annoyed. And also with my two examples they were just short arcs. I just like the character to stay the character mostly and hate the whole "its just a mantle" thing so looking at spider verse with all these non peter spider people is an instant turn off
Amen. Everything you said is true. Stopped buying new comics. Just filling in issues. Been collecting since the 70's. Never been so disappointed in the medium. I'll just spend 5-10 dollars on an older book. All the variant covers. Use to be fun. Not anymore.
I read a lot of comics but there are two Universe's that I get excited for when the floppy drop. Jeff Lemire's The Bone Orchard Mythos and Kirkman's Energon Universe.
Thats why i'm sticking to manga. One creative author, one storyline. When there is a multiverse, its an intended concept and sometimes, a few spinoffs at best. No reboots, no retcons, no wasting 20 years of your reader's life to just undo the authors' stupid decisions.
Marvel and DC Comics are turning themselves into Atari, a trailblazer that overinvested in products nobody wanted, and drove itself to bankruptcy that way. Does anyone else remember that video game company? I bet in 30 years, Marvel and DC Comics will be remembered the exact same way as Atari, as something old people will wax nostalgic over, but which no one else will care about.
I did like Waller vs Wildstorm. Actually stayed for whole series. I really wish Marvel would simply put the year on the books so I know which run I'm buying without having to open the book. Reboots is generally where I give up on a title - Vengeance of Moon Knight is where I stopped that series. At my LCS they have rack after rack of unsold Knight Terror books. I doubt they can give them away,
Agree 100 per cent my take changing the sex , race ,etc of any character, having not work , but not bringing back what worked. Iron Fist is a prime example !
If I was writing for Marvel, just to be a smartass, I’d reboot whatever book I was working on literally every month for a year - 12 consecutive #1 issues - which honestly, isn’t much worse than what they’ve alrleady been doing.
I am tired.of books being overpriced....I am tired of the message force fed to read on the readers dime....too many versions making them lame, putting a chick in it and making it gay ...also who are the villains in comics now ...
I'm sick of character assassination *cough* Tom King *cough* actually, all of Tom's tropes drive me nuts. He needs to go to therapy and quit punishing us with his art.
Rant on, Wes! I've read comics for over 40 years now, and i am with you on all of these gripes. One thing bothering me is that these big 2 companies are constantly giving these awful writers more work. Can't they not see how abysmal the sales are?
I'm tired of Diversity and Inclusion being the main focus in every damn title I touch. Tired of the story being something that must be socially relevant and mostly petty. Tired of so many damn Spiders...and variants. Tired of legacy character hijacking and take overs for the sake of future readers that just don't show up. Tired of the constant drama behind the scenes of comics. Tired of the lack of transparency from the publishers about sales, print volume and title details. Tired of pandering to people who demand that characters change for the betterment of society. Just plain tired Wes...but we keep on trucking and point out these things we are tired of. Grumpy old men...nope, just a bunch of comic heads who hate what we have in front of us and call it out. No candy coats or slight of hand.
I'm sick of really great cover art used to sell books with the absolutely horrendous and cheap "modern art" in the interiors. Its a cheap gimmick to boost sales that I'll admit to having been guilty of falling into but not for years now. I love great covers but if the story and interior art is shit then all you're really buying is an art print with pages. I'm also sick of modern art itself, like the netflix she-ra/ steven universe ish style art that is plaguing the industry. I saw previews for Power Rangers Academy on IG where the cover looked sick, then the interior literally looked like a canceled 2018 cartoon network show
Amanda Waller is more dangerous than Darkseid at this point. The woman make the worst DC villains seem like boyscouts right now. I'm so done with so many boring events too. And I hate DC bad habit to take out a writer that are doing a very good job with a title like PKJ in Action Comics and now Mark Waid in SHAZAM and replace them with inferior comic book creators. So lame.
As a collector since picking up my first Spidey Super Stories in the 70's, it's a sad state of affairs when the highlight of my current collecting is facsimiles. Im learning to wait for the trades as every book i start to collect ends within a year. Huge Guardians fan but how many times are they gonna reboot it? It's hard to care anymore.
WES AND FACTS GO TOGETHER LIKE PEANUT BUTTER AND JELLY!
00:00 - Personal Grievances in Comic Books
00:41 - Fed up with repetitive nature of Marvel and DC
01:25 - The Challenges of Writing for Mainstream Comics
02:06 - Hawk Girl and Smallville Joanne Stair's Midlife Crisis Fantasy
02:49 - Lesbians infiltrating the comic book industry
03:33 - The Marvel Comics Problem
04:17 - Critique of the Wolverine Book
05:00 - Multiple Versions of Characters in Comics
05:43 - Frustration with Marvel's Variant Characters
06:27 - Amanda Waller: Overused in DC Comics
07:10 - Impact of Amanda Waller in DC Comics
07:52 - The Problem with Amanda Waller
08:41 - The Incompetent Suicide Squad and Amanda Waller's Overuse
09:20 - Rebooting Captain Marvel
09:59 - Rebooting Storylines and Declining Sales
10:42 - Continuation of Moon Knight storyline
11:28 - Marvel Comics and DC Comics Gimmickry
12:13 - The Terrible Way DC Comics Handled Their Lines
12:54 - Tom Taylor's Shockingly Good Comic
13:39 - The Controversy Surrounding DC Comics Events
14:21 - The Negative Impact of Royalties in DC Comics
15:04 - DC Comics' Need for Change
15:44 - Done with Comic Books
16:24 - Pop Culture Talk with Aaron Sparrow
Stfu dude. You sound like a comic book simp. You crying like a fool..... Smh.
Not all heroes wear capes
I’m tired of girl bosses in the comics and I’m a woman. I don’t want characters with established histories retconned so that they swing the other way. I want heroes to stop acting like villains. I’m tired of villains all being sympathetic.
I’ve never in my life read so many wonderful female characters, currently reading Frieren with a great female lead.
Heck I still remember when the girl bosses were just called mary sues. For over the years, they never learn. People relate more to characters that can fail, struggle, over unstoppable gods of war. For they don't even try and pretend these characters can fail in a majority of cases. That making your character unlikable, who lashes out at everyone for no good reason. Drives people away. Of course rather than admit their writing is bad, they will keep pinning the blame on the reader base.
@@tacticianAlexandra Yes exactly that, for some reason these writers think making these female characters with no flaws, who just overcome any obstacles with ease is going to appeal to people, it’s very bizarre.
@@InfamyOrDeath-__- Yeah their own egos are way to big. They think they are better than the past, yet fail to learn a thing from it. Like why did these old characters work and these new ones don't? That or hey why do people like all these female characters in manga, while they dislike the ones we make?
@@InfamyOrDeath-__-As someone who read and wrote fanfics for decades, I can say no one who has matured past their teens will like a Mary Sue self-insert, and the teens will only like THEIR OWN self-inserts. What this says about the Marvel and DC Comics writers responsible for creating (or turning preexisting characters into) Mary Sue self-inserts, is obvious.
I’m sick of writers feeling the need to “reinvent” every character’s world building. Can we STOP retconing everybody’s backstory? Punisher, Nightcrawer, Joker, etc. move FORWARD, people!
How you gonna destroy characters and own the Chad’s if you don’t??
I done with the repetitive race swapping and gender swapping we keep seeing in comics
Which characters are you talking about?
Species swapping the DCU as therapods was intriguing.
Crisis of infinite lesbians 🤣🤣🤣
I'm done with HARLEY QUINN just being a gay Bugs Bunny.
Preach
"crisis on infinite lesbians" im ded
For me, the most egregious things comics has ever done was the recent treatment of the Punisher: the complete destruction of a beloved and long-established character simply because Marvel executives don't agree with the politics of that character's fans. It's stupid, it's petty, it's self-destructive, it shows what Marvel really thinks of their fans and it's the reason I will never buy another Marvel comic again.
Here-here!!
Hell yes 😤😤🔥🔥
Can't blame you.
Marvel's behavior has been particularly egregious.
Bad people.
I'm done with DC and making everyone including my favorite character gay.
Oof yeah and that panel where they are having super man under a red light getting ass raped by those guard doods.;...
Gay rape humiliation. They cant just have the private right to do waht they want in their own bedrooms they ahve to force their perversions on all of us in every medium they can get their hands on. "We just want to get married" - 2013. 10 years ago...
Yup, they completely ruined Tim Drake.
Tim Drake used to be such a badass.
It all goes back to BlackRock and Vanguard.
Nikola Tesla: I was through with DC over a century ago.
@@Mr_E_NigmaJonathan Kent is the worst example.
-What's annoying is when they take away the attractive female characters and cover them up, making them ugly, and act like toxic female characters, ala Carol Danvers.
-When they nerf or belittle the male characters. Well this is an not only an issue with comics, it's an issue in a lot of modern day mainstream western entertainment.
-The need to make something "modern", "diverse", and "inclusive", is annoying and a turn off.
-When a new or unknown character knows a more popular character all of a sudden. The more popular, existing, character shouldn't know the new character from a can of paint, but they're so close and is the best friend of the newer character. All the characters acting like the new character is the best thing since sliced 🍞.
Like Kamala Khan, remember how "sad" every character was when she "died"? When did all the characters trust or know her? When had she *earned* respect? It would of made sense if it was characters who knew her, but total strangers, being broken up over her "death". Which was only like a month, before she came back to life. When were the characters so close to her? This applies to other characters too, but Kamala is just an example. The things that is missing is character development. _Show don't tell_ how supposedly "great" Kamala Khan is, along with other characters like her. If the fans of comics don't care about her, why should the characters? The comics could of gave fans a break from her after she "died" because how annoying she is, but they didn't.
-When a character that was canonically straight is all of sudden made a different race, gender, sexuality, out of nowhere, and everybody is cool with it. There's too many examples to be listed.
-Deconstructing without reconstructing. Character assassination, and having characters act out of character.
Condensing that down it's a overdose of mean girls & soy boys which say's a lot about the writers.
Yep for example Psylock they complety removed her beauty and turned her into ugly lesbian
Yea that is awful tbh what they are doing to women making them ugly.
These are a series of fictional fantasy worlds mostly directed at young and middle aged men.
We the men have NO problem at all having massive ripped and buff male super heroes but all these women have a BIG BIG problem with any man daring to look at a woman and see a feminine, clearly female, well endowed and in shape female. The reason is because look at the freak show of human obesity and hair dye that the entertainment industry in general has working for them. They DEI'd themselves into the grave.
This video is so positive because I don't feel so alone anymore. Preach!
I’ve had it with new number one issues every year. It isn’t even done when a creative team changes anymore!! I loved the feeling of the continuity and the whole universe being one giant story that has the numbering continue for years and even decades! Wrote this while watching the video, so you might actually cover this too…
Thats my biggest pet peeve! Numbers used to mean something. You knew what someone was talking about if they referred to their "181" or "129". These constant renumberings are driving me crazy. You kind of knew where Marvel's head was the first time they put that giant oversized "1" on the cover.
Just read comics up until 2012, there is a lot of good shit. I can live reading X-MEN Claremont era over and over again for example and never get tired.
I miss Jonathan Hickman! :3
The Mayan Calendar predicted comics ended in 2012. It was written, true believer.
That's the key.
Reading the older story lines.
I don't think I'll ever buy another current marvel book But I will collect the old trades
The Woke Sh*t ... is destroying the comic book industry...!! Yes, painful...!!
When they turned Alan Scott gay... I was done.!!
I'm pretty well done with both Marvel and DC...!! Too much crap.!!
Good job seeing this stuff....ah, ... crap.!!
All of these insufferable activists turning beloved comics into their unreadable vanity projects.
Exactly!
^^^THIS!!!!
Also, I’m sick of J J Abram’s Superman project. This man has hustle WB and DC.
The way he fleeced Disney and Warner might actually be the most respectable thing about him 😂 in retrospect that is.
Kal El: This lens flare is hurting my X Ray Vision.
I’m tired of the X-Men fighting no name robots, monsters, clones, animal people, thugs, Kaiju, etc. I want them to fight actual villains and real threats with real consequences.
X-Men are a dead brand right now.
They can't. They're roommates with their entire rogues' gallery
I think people only hate multiverses if they are used as a problem solver (replacing dead characters, finding rare substances, etc).
Multiverses are fine if used sparingly
I agree I like what DC did with dark Knights metal and dark nights death metal events. You could argue that they should kinda overused batman who laughs but at least they were fun and entertain to read something that is not really common enough nowadays
Multiverses feel like it should be an annual event, or maybe one that occurs ever 2 or 5 years. It's fine to have comics sole focused on A different universe, but I don't want it to be a constant thing that's always used and referenced to. It takes away meaning and stakes. I also don't want to see a thousand variants. Good and evil (Earth 1 and 3) is all we really need, honestly.
@@shaneriggs6678 I like crisis on infinite earths
@@Bolbi145 that was a good story
I'm sick of minor characters overshadowing the main characters. Power Girl is the example that comes to mind.
Is it even Powergirl? She acts more like an unconfident Kara or even Matrix Supergirl
That doesn't track. The Palmiotti/Conner run in 2009-2011 was really fun and had a Keith Giffen flavor to it, and nobody complained then that a 'minor character' was being given too much attention. Then Power Girl was virtually buried and ignored for over a decade because she was too un-PC. It's only because the activists recently discovered her and wanted to 'remake' her that she was brought back out of obscurity to serve their agenda. They like her because she has a girlboss background, so they play that attitude up while toning down the sexy that should go along with it.
@@heroineburghI haven't seen any of DC's recent books, but let me guess what happened: the SJW writers turned Power Girl into something she's not, to support their agenda, didn't they? They learned NOTHING from the sinking sales of any and all HETEROSEXUAL superheroes the SJWs turned gay- ignoring DECADES of history, and alienating loyal fans earned during those decades.
@@heroineburgh The Conner-Palmiotti run was pretty damn good. I think the op is referring to the current Super-family in the Superman title?
@@locusmortis Not aware of that, but I did see that Power Girl got her one-shot and a new series recently, and it's a whole different character with a new name and new powers. And now she's BFFs with Omen, who used to be called Lilith. Not really digging it.
I'm also tired of writer's Twitter feeds being illustrated and passed off as comics, lazy self inserts that steal the spotlight a la Hawkgirl, Deadpool, Captain Marvel, etc recently, and creators who know they're doing ragebait for clout then argue in bad faith and attack legit criticism to avoid accountability and actual discourse
You pretty much nailed most of my complaints. Tired of pointless events, derivative characters,multiverse, retcons, characters acting out of character, constant reboots. But most of all the icing on the cake is ridiculous cover prices and $9 plus “special issues”
Not just Amanda Waller, I'm also sick of Harley Quinn, the Batman who laughs, and turning Batman into a cry baby
Robin: Batman, first you laugh, then you cry. You need Bat Meds.
Batman losing Gotham multiple times per year. He is being defeated so many times recently.
Things I'm sick of
1: Families of titles - Everyone's a Spider-something, Everyone's a Bat-someone, Legion of X-Blah-Wolverinies....
2: Woke shit: Legion of preachy side of the head shaved pink haired bi-lesbionics.
3: Too many events. So many events that now NOTHING is an EVENT.
4: Prices to high - 4.99 becoming the standard price of comics sucks ass
5: Every comic gets at least 4 variant covers. And they all suck. How about 1 GREAT cover.
6: No consistent characterisation - Every heroes character changes when a new writer starts, there's no real continuity anymore and the "heroes" become a stand in for the writers mental health issues.
Family of Woke Events: The entire set of variant covers are yours for $1000.
David Haller, Legion feels empathy for all these new writers. They need group therapy.
Zeb wells on spider-man
You came out of the gate, with something that has bugged me, for years. They downplayed it, when anyone complained. Shamed them. Called them an istaphobe. But it has legitimately killed interest, in many characters.
Lesbians coming in, botching up comic stories, and then wondering why fans hate it. "Oh, it's because they're all incel misogynists, who hate women and the lgbtq". No. We've read these comics, and kept it going, for years, because we liked seeing something amazing, not which lesbians are making out (or worse!) this week. And if they can't change a character's sexuality, that's okay. That's what self inserts are for. Example, the Fire & Ice book.
People talk about cover variants, distribution and pricing. Yes, these things are indeed factors, but what got me to stop reading new comics was the content. Suddenly, every likeable element of many characters was replaced with their gay romance "stories", and any marquee, big name had to be replaced, depowered, upstaged, made to look inferior, because of something unresolved, in the writer's past. Every character they touched is basically useless, now. Not really a Marvel expert, but in DC, Tim Drake, Jon Kent, Harley Quinn, Maxima, Poison Ivy, and others are basically useless. I won't pick up a book, if they're featured, because I know the story will be garbage.
Every female is either gay (and subsequently into every female that walks by) or a girl boss, with a new, more modest costume, because. And all the men are ineffectual and can't wait to bow down to to their younger, better, gayer replacements. It's not and exaggeration. It's literally in the books, and they've admitted that that's what they're doing.
More than anything, the lack of quality stories, and awful human beings behind them, who actively hate the fanbase, have caused me to stop reading new comics.
Chip Zedarsky and Zeb Wells. Completely mediocre to outright bad everything they touch. Give me some copper aged goodness any day, all day, and Marvel and DC can take their alphabet, equity, social justice, retread, multiple cover endless number one relaunch bullshit and shove it right where the sun never shines. Heck, even slabs are turning out to be problematic, seems like comics are really circling the drain.
Amen to that, my brother! TO THE EXTREME!
Gosh where do we even start?
>Hack writers
>Terrible dialogue
>Boring stories that lead nowhere
>Nothing matters, events every 2 months
>TRASH artwork
Marvel needs a new wave of writers to bring it back. The corporate side of things doesn't help either.
what writers do you suggest?
@@WeirdScienceComics Ones that actually care about the source material and legacy of the characters.
@@MrHayabusaSan I actually was hoping for names, because the problem is, there just aren't a lot of good writers anymore and that's why we get stuck with what we have right now
@WeirdScienceComics Pretty much. I could list all the of all time great writers from the old days who are still with us but we will eventually need new talent to take the mantle and set a new standard to make comic books great again.
This is the LAST DECADE they will have to pull their Crap.
Because if the Steamboat Willie Renaissance is any indication, The Nerds getting Superman and Batman even in their Earliest forms will utterly ROFLStomp the current crop of creatives.
Time is running out. And their doomed even if they turn it around,
nobody at all is going to read another companies Superman, Batman, etc over DCs - there are already derivatives that people can get now that don't get close to the sales and that's all you will be getting - there will be some at first, but they will all fade away - people will just look at them as knockoffs
MARVEL & DC will do their darnedest to make their characters totally toxic before they enter the public domain. Why would any company turn their top superheroes into punks/gays? There's no future for crime fighters who don't fight crime and there's no way to go back to how things were before.
It may be a slow time coming, but it is over for certain characters. They will not be able to recover.
@@garryjones1846 10000% disagree - you are talking about a low point, but there are causes that can improve it
@@WeirdScienceComics I don't mind disagreement.
If everyone believed the same thing, what an even worse place the world would be.
@@garryjones1846 that would be really boring!
The number ONE problem are both marvel and DC management themselves. The big2 management are the root of the problem that needs to be uprooted first. Mabuhay!
From what I've gathered from other friends reading current DC/Marvel i hear that a lot of books that are branded as solo books are essentially all team books.
The concept of "everyone is a hero" would drive me nuts!
That is how they trying to ruin Peter life and replace him with Miles i used to like Miles but now when they forced him being better than the OG that is when i started to hate Miles though his liveaction movie is coming they will do same again🙄🙄
@@she-venom9842 In the games Miles greatness is built on Peters failure. Miles need other people to suck to make him look good, oof!? They really don't have faith in Miles imo.
@@PrivateCitizen84Yeah even when Peter was losing his job they did nothing to help him they just stand there and do nothing🙄 yet they begged him for help to fight Sandman
kinda true. i live the Superman title but it is really the Super-family title.
Solo: Sorry, Chewie. I have to leave you on this planet, while I star in this Solo comic.
I'm sick of the changing of well established characters and copies of well established characters.
I was just contemplating this very notion.
A lot of these characters were created at a time when editors just wanted the pages filled so there would be a comic for the kids to buy every month. Not even Superman and Batman were expected to still exist almost 90 years after they were created. At some point, every single idea will be exhausted every few years, especially when a character appears 5-6 times a month. These characters have a shelf life that’s long since expired.
“They want to tell stories about themselves in the skin of superheroes” pure textbook narcissism of modern comic book writers right there
The general lack of accountability on anything. Nobody ever gets in trouble for any grievance you could think of and that breaks everything. From the top all the way to the bottom, everyone gets away with everything.
Bad writing, gender swap, rehash characters/unoriginal, interior artwork sucks. Pushing c list characters to be a listers. To many varients.
Amanda Waller is so fucking boring. She’s like a PTA head who’s gotten a bit too much power.
The thing that bugs me most about Marvel is that shit artists get just as much work as excellent artists.
I for one am sick of anything related to the mutliverse. No 10000 versions of spider-man aren't exciting. Its so tired repetitive, boring and lazy. At this point if a story includes the multiverse in any way, im just tempted to turn off tbh
I always wondered why people give spider-verse a pass
You’re the best, Wes. Keep it up.
I dont need 50 shades of every character. The bat family is too big, the spider-adjacent cast is too big. The x-roster is too big. Cycle characters in and out, and let them rest a little while.
Yeah Amanda Waller is generic AF
One of my gripes with comics is when writers stop acknowledging past runs regardless of whether the previous run was good or not. I know a lot of people think Hickman's take on the X-Men was great, but he didn't acknowledge X-men history, take for example, what happened X-men schism and every in-between that run and the unncanny X-men run before Hickman's run, which in my opinion disregarded character development and important events that would actually affect the events like the creation of Krakoa. Nick Spencer is an example of someone who acknowledged Slott's mistakes and used them to build growth for Spiderman as a character and even used Slott's run to create stories where Peter had to deal with the consequences of his actions. ( I know Chip Zdarsky technically did the same, but Spencer did it better) As a person who has been getting into comics, the other thing that really gets on my nerves is the fact that good writers usually write a few books with like one or two good characters, and then the majority of books are written by people who aren't good or the writer isn't good when it comes to writing the characters have more books under their belt for the time being when it comes to Marvel and DC.
Hellfire Gala has uglies and disgusting custumes yet for some reason some love these designs🙄🙄
Krakoa Era made all the previous runs useless.
@@EvandroACruz Krakoa made them useless but would still sometimes bring them up again as if to bait fans with nostalgia without realising what they picked would, at "best", contradict what is currently happening and, at worst, create enormous plotholes.
Krakoa cherrypicks plot elements from the past without understanding their importance or context at all.
heroes behaving like villains.
Attempts to replace a legacy character with a new version that's supposed to now be the definitive version.
I stopped reading along time ago. All I read now is the All Star Squadron from 1981 I never read it until last year and I'm having a awesome time.
Spider-verse became a horrible cómic to read, the last spider-man title (the one that introduce spider-boy), cold war was a disaster and the least i say about the x-men the better 😢
Marvel and DC keep hiring these YA Writers who don’t care about comics. I’m done with DC destroying their legacy characters. I’m done with these writers making heterosexual relationships toxic. I’m done with the unnecessary sexuality swap on established heterosexual characters. I’m tired of the same fail writers getting a job.
My "Sh*t Im Absolutely Done With" list is basicallly just a list of writers and artists lol
Yes it is, what's your point?
@@jemhoare2105 Hello. Do you speak english?
Your right the new writers are sick and know nothing about comics it's all turning out to be trash these days 😢
I'm sick of reading a title "Insert Character Name" and the whole comic the lead takes a backseat to some new character that was just introduced and they are just so much better than the title character. That and fucking mantle swaps. Oh, and DC putting subpar shit stories in the back of my 6-dollar comic, stories that would rot on shelves if they weren't crammed into a popular book like Batman. Also, people writing for The Punisher that don't understand the character and just insert their personal beliefs onto him to validate their shitty takes.
Shit villains that aren't threatening. Give me back the real baddies!
I'm sick of being told off for things I've never done, from people I wouldn't have an opinion of one way or another in real life.
I'm tired of having heroes treated like crap by self insert characters, that talk with unearned authority.
I'm definitely tired of putting mantles on multiple people, watering down concepts, especially throwing away unique identities they had already gone by for years.
We fans are mean. We need to be educated by our comic books on how to solve eternal social problems with an Orwellian slogan, chanted.
I haven't read any new comics in a few years.
I dropped out a few issues into Hickman's X-Men.
I'm personally sick of:
*The endless event comics
*The endless grimdark and too many deconstructions
*Unheroic heroes
*So many multiverse crossovers...
*Frequently screwing Spider-man over
*The frequent pushing of politics
*Too much Batman and the Joker
*Also, the Batman Who Laughs is so overrated its not even funny.
Worst part is that Marvel and DC don't care what the readers think anymore...
I'm done with retcons of established characters, gender/race swapping established characters, derivatives of established characters, ignoring legacy stories and events for established characters, "the multiverse", superheroes who don't fight supervillains, supervillains who are actually just "misunderstood" victims of society, and self-inserts for hack writers being placed in superhero books.
There's so many annoying things wrong with comics. My main issues, off the top of my head:
1) Forced diversity / social messaging. Often its out of place, it makes no sense for the characters, its not nuanced, it doesn't make you think. It's just a preachy lecture by someone who often doesn't see all sides of a problem.
2) Reboots - short term sales boost at the expense of pissing off long time readers and making things confusing for new readers.
3) Constant events - Nothing matters anymore and it just interrupts a writers story. I used to get annoyed when events were yearly. Now there are many events each year. When they do them, they also have way to many tie-ins and cross-overs.
4) Not caring about the fans - Some writers outright dislike the fans, but even the editors and higher ups aren't trying to make fans happy. This is highly apparent in Amazing Spider-Man.
5) Mischaracterization - The problem might be more that Marvel and DC are hiring people who aren't fans of comics and don't know the characters, but you'd think the editors would at least know when the writers are mischaracterizing characters or getting the history wrong. Its way too common. Gotham War was an example of this. Dark Crisis: Young Justice was another.
6) Legacy heroes - Cheap cash grabs or PR stunts. I don't think there should be more than one character with the same name.
I’m with you one hundred percent on DC hiring inappropriate writers. Si Spurrier writes longwinded sci-fi, not superhero comics, and is totally not in sync with the flash. Tom King is an indie writer, not a mainstream one, and that’s why he keeps on messing up most of the characters he writes. Etc, etc, etc. bring back the old guard, or at the very least, someone who’s a fan of the character they are writing.
BTW, John Ostrander is the only writer that does Amanda Waller and the Suicide Squad justice. Nobody else.
PS Reboots suck. Number ones are now like number twos 💩
I’m sick of race/gender swapping, de-sexy of heroines, and mainly the fan antagangism
As a x-men fan I'd very much like it if they'd stop putting writers on who don't know the characters.
I second that.
Golden Age: (1938-1956)
Created the greatest characters
Superman (Siegel & Schuster), Batman and Robin and The Joker (Finger & Kane), Captain America and The Red Skull (Simon & Kirby), Green Lantern (Finger & Nodell), Green Arrow (Weisinger & Papp), Aquaman (Weisinger & Norris), Wonder Woman (Marston), The Flash (Fox & Lampert)and the Real "Captain Marvel" (Parker & Beck)
Silver Age: (1956-1970)
Created all the other best characters
Spider-Man and The Green Goblin, Daredevil, Doctor Strange, The Fantastic Four with Mister Fantastic, The Invisible Woman, The Human Torch and The Thing and the villain Dr. Doom; then The Avengers with Iron Man, Thor and The Hulk; then The X-Men with Cyclops, Ms. Marvel, Iceman, Angel and The Beast and the villains Magneto, Juggernaut and The Sentinels (Lieber/Lieber/Kirby/Ditko/Heck)
Bronze Age: (1970-1985)
Wolverine and Storm (Wein), Moon Knight (Moench & Perlin), Blade and Deathstroke (Wolfman), Sabretooth and the Phoenix Saga and Days of Future Past (Chris Claremont & Jim Byrne)
The Dark Age: (1985-1995)
The Dark Knight Returns (Frank Miller), Watchmen/Rorschach (Alan Moore & Gibbons), The Infinity Gauntlet (Jim Starlin & George Perez/Ron Lim), Spider-Man and Venom and Spawn (Todd McFarlane), X-MEN (Jim Lee & Chris Claremont), X-FORCE (Rob Liefeld)
Modern Age: (1995-2012)
Age of Apocalypse 1996, Infinite Crisis 2005, Allstar Batman & Robin 2008 (Frank Miller & Jim Lee), Civil War 2008 (Mark Millar), AvX 2012 (Bendis)
Current Age: (2012-NOW) DONE
Thanks for the list👍🏾
Every other Batman story being a freaking event
Jim Lee has become such a disappointment in his later years. He’s the Oscar De La Hoya of the comic industry
Oh..that's a great comparison but it does hurt!
over usage of Multiverse. Line wide reboots but keep the sad failure comic writtrs in place. to repeated failures pushing failed characters over and over and refuse to backburner them for any time or watching writters constantly fail but continue to get work is baffling. The million versions of same characters making none of them unique
Gay man here who never, ever asked for my heroes to be gay or any representation in comic books. Also tired of reboot after reboot after reboot.
And Wonder Woman not having a good artist since Phil Jimenez or Terry Dodson... To be so popular and the height of beauty in DC, they sure do draw her like puddled mud
You know what I keep reading about the big two is each fans cut off point for this or that character. Which is really sad for you, but really useful for a new reader where to put a full stop on a character like me. So much old is new I got to pick & choose.
Love the name…The Bamazon. Awesome.
Great list, Wes. Absolutely nailed it on the noggin. DC's handling of events is particularly egregious.
Here are some more things ruining my hobby:
-Beautiful covers, horrible interiors: Someone like Nick Bradshaw, who's a great new talent, will draw you in with a fantastic cover, and then you open up the book and it's absolute amateur hour. I would rather they give this guy a year to do a 3 issue series, or a 3-4 issue run on a book, than 40 covers in a year. It's borderline false advertising, given the lack of talent handling the pencilling duties. And there are about ten of these jabronis who just do covers. Speaking of which...
-Done with Alex Ross. I don't know if Marvel has his soul in a jar somewhere or what, but he has completely whored himself out at this point. Seeing one of his covers used to be an automatic buy. It used to mean something. Now he draws whatever D-List character for whatever crap title Marvel puts in front of him, with some really odd design choices, too. And this is the same PITA who wouldn't paint Kyle Rayner because it was a character that didn't exist in Ross's "head canon." What the hell happened to this guy?!
-Speaking of head canon, the Alan Scott I know ceased to exist about ten years ago, I guess. Green Lantern does not go trawling for male prostitutes down by the docks. He just doesn't. Anyone associated with this current series should be future endeavored.
I thunk the biggest gripe ive got with the western comic industry, is theyre all so entitled and rude and judgmental. They all act like theyre the victim while all i ever see is them shitting on fans who actually care. Most of what they write isnt that good, but its not a death sentence. Its really just the inability to accept critisism and make changes accordingly. They act as if its the readers fault for not enjoying their stories (i.e. youre a racist or a bigot or an idiot)
Reboots/Relaunches for absolutely no reason, most times with the same creative team and storyline. Most times with a higher price point.
Events. Been done since King in Black, but they've gotten worse. Nothing more than empty cash grabs.
Non-continuity titles. Looking at you Ultimates and whatever garbage DC is about to launch.
Sidekicks. You know exactly what is coming, the sidekick is the real main character who eventually takes over the book. Dropped Ghost Rider on issue 7, and Hulk looks to be heading the same direction.
Good to bad artist cycling on books. Why can't Nic Klein do more than 3 issues of Hulk in a row?
Marvel and DC in general. Nothing exciting going on. I'm reading 1 title and it's on thin ice. The quality of the physical book are going down, the creative teams are getting worse and the price is going up.
Boom-Boom and Jubilee got internships working at the 616 in-universe Marvel Comics, then got jobs as writers and editors due to them playing some guilt shenanigans on the previous editors/writers - "Only a superhero can write a superhero book!", "Only a mutant can understand feeling alienated!".
Being the pranksters that they are, J and BB made parodies of the heroes in the comics for the tee-hee lulz. The comics currently being produced in our real world are the parody comics from the 616 universe.
Meanwhile the 616 heroes are actually having proper superhero adventures and doing proper superhero stuff. We just don't get to see it until J and BB are fired from 616 Marvel.
I'm waiting for the moment where the rest of the X-men find out how J and BB are representing them in the parody comics. Iceman be like "you made me what now?"
Other options are:
Instead of J and BB, Dr Doom or Red Skull has bought Marvel and is using it to undermine their foes;
In a universe where Moon Girl is smarter than Mr Fantastic, despite being a child and far less educated, that Mr Fantastic is kinda dumb and only thinks his universe is 616, but it's really 617.
I left comics in the Mid 90s, I started with Marvel but didn't like much after 1993 or so, I collected a lot of Image stuff until it became apparent that all they had was good artwork (debateable depending on what books we're talking about), and I bought tons of Valiant until Acclaim took over. I came back in 2009 because I saw JLU and The Animated Wonder Woman movie.. I realized I missed out on DC stuff, so thats where I jumped back in. I liked a lot of individual stories, but saw that the Crossovers really messed everything up (one can say that's always been the case). I dropped out of buying new comics after the New 52 began and settled in to buying Trades and Omnibuses of the older runs I missed out on and I've never looked back.
Going back the classic runs from Marvel and DC, I could see how far comics have fallen. When you read the introductions to the Trades and omnibuses you get a lot of insights as to how comics were handled back then, how much more passionate the creators were and how they understood their roles as custodians of these characters. They made sure as much as possible that the characters not only had their own voices, but that they stayed true to that voice as much as they could (would usually slip when an inexperienced fill-in writer would come in for a moment, but otherwise they were pretty good about it). they really had love for these characters and seemed to want to see them have Great Adventures as much as the readers did. Why did that end? When did the Egomaniacs take over? I'll never understand how things were allowed to get this bad, but I've certain of one thing, DC and Marvel are never going back, even if they changed course tomorrow, the damage is done and it's too extensive to be repaired :(
I am tired of Marvel giving all sorts of characters a symbiote. For example, Black Widow was recently given a symbiote and will maintain that symbiote during the upcoming Black Widow Hawkeye 60th anniversary mini-series. Many interesting things Black Widow can do, doesn.t need a symbiote. BTW Kelly Thompson wrote a 1 through 50 Captain Marvel series, no reboot during her run. Kelly Sue Deconnick wrote two separate Captain Marvel series with two separate #1's
Im genuinly depressed with the state of mainstream comics (marvel/DC), they used to provide a weekly escape into their world away from the problems of our world. Only now is that my favourite comic titles have all but been infiltrated by this nonsense
1000% agree that this lesbian-fan-fiction needs to stop using well established heroes, a majority of whom that have always been straight; just to fit within the story they want to write. There are great gay-characters in virtually every universe already, use them to tell your story. DC needs to stop w/ this whole "family thing" their doing cuz there's the Bat-Family, Superman-Family, Flash-Family, Green Arrow-Family, Wonder Woman-Family &the Shazam-Family. Not every hero needs to be part of a family it's extremely boring. Marvel needs to stop trying to redeem every villain in their universe. If your a popular villain they'll give you a redemption arc but now they all get to play hero. Stop please stop Marvel, most of these people are war-criminals a # of them committed genocide or they've just killed thousands of people
Basically for me I am tired of dc trying push aged up Jonathan Samuel kent superman because he isn’t Superman and will never will be, all I want is dc to finally deage Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and and finally undo all the damage caused by my boy with Jon Kent and just bring back my boy back Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy back to his little 10 years old self and boom problem solved everybody wins.
It’s not Amanda Waller’s character they are obsessed with it’s her representation a strong bossy black woman they love.
She is a horrible character nobody really cares about.
THANK you for reinforcing my decision to walk away from modern comics years ago!!... It's saved me aggravation AND money to buy more classics instead.
Im with you on the multiple of the same hero thing. I had pretty much had my fill of it after the little arc in the 90s spiderman cartoon. I could never get myself to watch spider verse even though ive basically only heard good things about it and the 2nd one seems like they amp that part up alot. To me it just kinda waters it down especially with the 100s of new spider people lol That said I did like the arc in Invincible with the evil versions of himself
So what sounds like your issue isn't with the idea that there's multiple Spider-Man. Just the Execution of the story.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 Well I give the old cartoon a pass since its decades old and seen it first as a kid and maybe its more acceptable because theyre still all Peter except for Ben reilly as far as I can remember.Its the same type of thing with Invincible,they were all evil versions of Mark.If they were different people that werent alternate versions of Mark claiming to be invincible I probably wouldve been annoyed. And also with my two examples they were just short arcs. I just like the character to stay the character mostly and hate the whole "its just a mantle" thing so looking at spider verse with all these non peter spider people is an instant turn off
Amen. Everything you said is true. Stopped buying new comics. Just filling in issues. Been collecting since the 70's. Never been so disappointed in the medium. I'll just spend 5-10 dollars on an older book. All the variant covers. Use to be fun. Not anymore.
The new Detective Comics 1081 cover has a naked Bruce Wayne walking towards a skull building thing.
Wtf...
I read a lot of comics but there are two Universe's that I get excited for when the floppy drop. Jeff Lemire's The Bone Orchard Mythos and Kirkman's Energon Universe.
Let's put aside Sabretooth never becoming Captain America due to obvious reasons. Isn't he Canadian?
Probably not in that universe, or Canada is part of the USA
Hope Xmen can some day be heroes again.
Can I just say "tini howard" and the editors that enable her?
Thats why i'm sticking to manga. One creative author, one storyline. When there is a multiverse, its an intended concept and sometimes, a few spinoffs at best. No reboots, no retcons, no wasting 20 years of your reader's life to just undo the authors' stupid decisions.
Marvel and DC Comics are turning themselves into Atari, a trailblazer that overinvested in products nobody wanted, and drove itself to bankruptcy that way. Does anyone else remember that video game company?
I bet in 30 years, Marvel and DC Comics will be remembered the exact same way as Atari, as something old people will wax nostalgic over, but which no one else will care about.
Try 10 years instead
I did like Waller vs Wildstorm. Actually stayed for whole series. I really wish Marvel would simply put the year on the books so I know which run I'm buying without having to open the book. Reboots is generally where I give up on a title - Vengeance of Moon Knight is where I stopped that series. At my LCS they have rack after rack of unsold Knight Terror books. I doubt they can give them away,
Agree 100 per cent my take changing the sex , race ,etc of any character, having not work , but not bringing back what worked. Iron Fist is a prime example !
If I was writing for Marvel, just to be a smartass, I’d reboot whatever book I was working on literally every month for a year - 12 consecutive #1 issues - which honestly, isn’t much worse than what they’ve alrleady been doing.
I agree with the Slice of life, the variant characters, multiverses, and events. I can’t stand miniseries, Annuals, and one-shots that add nothing.
Hearing all those issues back to back paints a really grim picture. Makes sense why, aside from Geiger stuff, I don't read any new comics.
As the writer of “Crisis on Infinite Darkwings” almost fifteen years ago, I can’t help but think I may be somewhat responsible for #2.
You monster!
Aw... I liked that story! Especially since I'm geeky enough to recognize all the alternative Darkwings.
Without question your best episode. Congratulations, sir.
I am tired.of books being overpriced....I am tired of the message force fed to read on the readers dime....too many versions making them lame, putting a chick in it and making it gay ...also who are the villains in comics now ...
I'm sick of character assassination *cough* Tom King *cough* actually, all of Tom's tropes drive me nuts. He needs to go to therapy and quit punishing us with his art.
Rant on, Wes! I've read comics for over 40 years now, and i am with you on all of these gripes. One thing bothering me is that these big 2 companies are constantly giving these awful writers more work. Can't they not see how abysmal the sales are?
I'm tired of Diversity and Inclusion being the main focus in every damn title I touch. Tired of the story being something that must be socially relevant and mostly petty. Tired of so many damn Spiders...and variants. Tired of legacy character hijacking and take overs for the sake of future readers that just don't show up. Tired of the constant drama behind the scenes of comics. Tired of the lack of transparency from the publishers about sales, print volume and title details. Tired of pandering to people who demand that characters change for the betterment of society. Just plain tired Wes...but we keep on trucking and point out these things we are tired of. Grumpy old men...nope, just a bunch of comic heads who hate what we have in front of us and call it out. No candy coats or slight of hand.
I'm sick of really great cover art used to sell books with the absolutely horrendous and cheap "modern art" in the interiors. Its a cheap gimmick to boost sales that I'll admit to having been guilty of falling into but not for years now. I love great covers but if the story and interior art is shit then all you're really buying is an art print with pages. I'm also sick of modern art itself, like the netflix she-ra/ steven universe ish style art that is plaguing the industry. I saw previews for Power Rangers Academy on IG where the cover looked sick, then the interior literally looked like a canceled 2018 cartoon network show
14:18 thank you for bringing that up because it is the only logical reason for the sheer glut of tie-ins the events have had the last three years
Fully agree with this video.
Amanda Waller is more dangerous than Darkseid at this point. The woman make the worst DC villains seem like boyscouts right now. I'm so done with so many boring events too. And I hate DC bad habit to take out a writer that are doing a very good job with a title like PKJ in Action Comics and now Mark Waid in SHAZAM and replace them with inferior comic book creators. So lame.
As a collector since picking up my first Spidey Super Stories in the 70's, it's a sad state of affairs when the highlight of my current collecting is facsimiles. Im learning to wait for the trades as every book i start to collect ends within a year. Huge Guardians fan but how many times are they gonna reboot it? It's hard to care anymore.
THANK YOOUUUUUUU!!!! For speaking up on the Amanda Waller bullshit!!