Used to love playing on the Parliament escalators as a kid. Used to catch the train down from Morwell and have a day in the city - mainly just tooling around on trams and trains. Back when the Connies were still a thing. 👍. And am I the only one who remembers the old CRT monitors at the loop stations that the writing used to bend and change colour as a train approached and left? 😁
Sounds like you had a lot of fun 😊. I did not use the trains enough to remember CRT displays warping but the electronics in modern trains is very likely to do that.
I definitely recall this - the blue background would suddenly go green when the train arrived ... they were set to automatically de-Gauss after about 30sec
The CRTs changing colour was due to the 1500Vdc overhead wires in the tunnels. When a train approaches or departs, the DC current is high which produces a strong magnetic field that bends the cathode beams in the CRTs.
Really enjoy these kinds of Vids. Your used to the views as a passenger but it's much more awesome from the drivers view, especially through the tunnels
Exactly. When I was young, cab rides were so easy to get and if you want to watch my video Sly drives of Electric Trains, if you knew a friend who was a driver he may let you drive the train under supervision. If caught today, they would sack you. In the past, you could probably talk your way out of it. The world has changed but not for the better.
All good 😊👍. This may help you find others of my similar videos which may be of interest. Melbourne - Driver's View Trains th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH.html
It is very possible. The Rail Safety Act clearly says that there should be no unauthorised persons in the cab, and that includes other train drivers taking a ride to work.
Malcolm Herbert Maybe I misled you. The driver does take the scenes. I should have quoted another rule which states no electronic devices in the cab. That rule was to stop mobile phone use but of course cameras are electronic devices also. Would they take action against him if caught? Possibly.
I always thought that Sydney was the only system in Au to use ATS/trips at signals to stop SPADS, also noticed that Caufield Tunnel has BiDirectional ATS/trips... ya learn something new every day, thanks for your vids they are great..
@@tressteleg1 Yes i agree, though for some travellers may have a presence for Parliament first stop after Richmond more so than Flinders street and going the long way around? It is thought many passengers may exit at Richmond and try and board an overcrowded Burnley Group Train rather than ride the majority of the loop to get to their chosen station, time will tell?
Rod Wilkinson I think it more important that casual city train users should know that the train will always go from one particular platform at any station. Chopping and changing at different times of the day and further at weekends is what pisses me off. And having to go via Flagstaff to get from North Melbourne to Southern Cross is plain idiotic
I also believe that due to how no trains coming from North Melbourne could enter the Caulfield loop the two portals at the Flinders Street end must be facing towards Richmond and connect to two separate lines that come from Richmond! :)
Techno Universal I have never studied the layout of the city loop in any detail. My impression is that it is poorly operated. The fact that at certain times there are no direct trains between Southern Cross and North Melbourne is totally ridiculous, and that has been the case for decades.
tressteleg1 Yeah like there are direct trains between Flinders Street and Richmond though it could still help if they had direct trains between Southern Cross and North Melbourne in the afternoons! :)
Techno Universal There should never be an obvious gap like that. And reversing loop direction around midday when there is no longer a Jolimont yard to empty in the afternoon is more insanity. Useless!
It sounds like you are happy in some other work but if you ever consider moving to any aspect of transport, first have a quiet chat to some people already doing the job, tell them of your job plans, and see if they are happy, and if not, why not.
Fantastic video. I do, however, want to make a correction. At around the 10m 30s mark you note a signal displaying Red/Green and an explanation of what it means. Although the explanation for a red over green is correct, the signal is actually displaying YELLOW over Green which means "Reduce to Medium speed (40km/h in the absence of a "65" or "80" indicator)". The previous signal showed Green over Red. Red over Green would never be preceded by Green over Red as it gives the driver no warning to slow down (hence the need for the "Reduce to Medium" aspect)..A Driver may pass a Yellow/Green signal at road speed but must have the train slowed to 40km/h (or 60 or 80 as the case may be) before passing the next signal.
I remember looking at that signal many times to determine whether it was red or yellow. Despite doing these videos, I cannot get all the signal combinations in my head so the impossibility of what I wrote was not obvious to me but I have consulted Simon my signalling expert and confirmed your correctness. If anyone else notices and comments I will refer them here.
I have nothing on those lines or Williamstown either. I have asked my driver to do those if he happens to work those lines some day. I’ll find out in summer.
How long have the banner indicators been present on that line up on the viaduct? They look like a "recent" addition ... Every time I head to Ballarat or Southern Cross, for some unknown reason the banner indicators fascinate me 🤣
I thought that Caulfield was the place for punters to make their favourite bookie quite wealthy! Nevertheless, Caulfield is still in the city and the lines go much further beyond there!
Indians dominate the speaker system now. All due to one being recruited into the system and then hiring their own, it is an embarrassment for we Australians and God knows what tourists think.Information told to me by several Metro staff.
And Sydney 1960s it was migrants from Italy and Greece who took over the loudspeakers on the Sydney train system. At times it was difficult to recognise the names of stations we knew 😄😄
Again a nice video tressteleg1. Like it. What is the use of trips in the tunnel without signals? Or is it for redundancy, when the first trip fails to stop a train approaching a signal at danger, the second one will, and definatly the third one will stop the train?
If there is a train in the station and another comes along, if it comes too fast the trip arms will be up and it will be stopped. Otherwise as the second train approaches, the trip arms will go down one by one and the second train can get quite close to the first train safely.
@@tressteleg1 Hmm so when the second train would be tripped by the trip closest to the station (where the other train is still standing), the second train would not be brought to a stand still in time and would still hit the first train in the station. Guess it is that.
The engineers are much smarter than that. The rate at which each trip goes down is timed such that unless the train is simply creeping along, it will be stopped well short of the final trip and have to start from stop again. Certainly the last trip in the tunnel would remain up while the first train is still in the station. Maybe the second last trip would also remain up until the train had moved away. Additionally, the underground platforms are somewhat longer than the trains so the back of the stationary train would be well away from the tunnel mouth and well away from the final trip which will be up. If you live in Melbourne, you can take a look and see by how much. You can be certain that a system that is not 100% safe would not have been installed.
We need to remember that if an engineer designed a signal system that was not foolproof and somebody died in a collision, the engineer could end up in court. Sydney has/had such a system working in their underground from 1932, without problem as far as I know.
tressteleg1 hi, I imagine a suburban passenger train is capable of climbing grades much greater than a freight train, is that right? Freight trains need to negotiate sky rail (I think 1 in 40 would be right at their limit but could be wrong) but never go through the loop. The loop could have a steeper grade? When it comes to grades what limits a passenger train, it’s technical capability or passenger comfort and safety given a lot of passengers will be standing?
Steve Allen I’m not A student of railway grades but certainly it is something like one in 30 from Wynyard up onto the harbour bridge. Freight trains could handle this but only if you add enough extra locomotives, preferably spread through the train like the Queensland coal trains do. Maybe somebody else will reply with your answers.
Although tunneling is expensive, over time there will probably be more rail routed underground. You may even see bits of the tram system moved into tunnels to bypass the traffic.
Melbourne is currently building an underground line going from north to south right under the city centre. It is misnamed Metro. Generally putting trams underground is out of favour these days as they are less accessible there.
SCRX rAndoMGuY There is a quite explicit nationwide rule about electronic devices in the train cab. If Metro is looking for him, and catch him, he is likely to get sacked.
What’s so hard about it? If you want to find a scary occupation, become a tram or bus driver where people and cars run across the front of you all the time. Trains are in a safe little bubble and the signals keep them apart. Not a worry in the world, at least presuming management is not a pack of rat bags.
Each of the four City Loop tunnels have their own name, Caulfield, Burnley, Clifton Hill and Northern, to correspond with which trains go through that tunnel. You can see the name written in a yellow box on the tunnel lip as the train goes in (2:05 on the video)
Used to love playing on the Parliament escalators as a kid. Used to catch the train down from Morwell and have a day in the city - mainly just tooling around on trams and trains. Back when the Connies were still a thing. 👍. And am I the only one who remembers the old CRT monitors at the loop stations that the writing used to bend and change colour as a train approached and left? 😁
Sounds like you had a lot of fun 😊. I did not use the trains enough to remember CRT displays warping but the electronics in modern trains is very likely to do that.
I definitely recall this - the blue background would suddenly go green when the train arrived ... they were set to automatically de-Gauss after about 30sec
I just remember the crts being soooooooooo burnt in.
Not designed for ‘permanent’ displays.
The CRTs changing colour was due to the 1500Vdc overhead wires in the tunnels.
When a train approaches or departs, the DC current is high which produces a strong magnetic field that bends the cathode beams in the CRTs.
Love the large signal lights with the white ring around them. Makes them stand out better, easier to see
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Thank you.
This was very helpful interesting and fun to watch.❤😃
@@kellys.6047 👍
Really enjoy these kinds of Vids. Your used to the views as a passenger but it's much more awesome from the drivers view, especially through the tunnels
Exactly. When I was young, cab rides were so easy to get and if you want to watch my video Sly drives of Electric Trains, if you knew a friend who was a driver he may let you drive the train under supervision. If caught today, they would sack you. In the past, you could probably talk your way out of it. The world has changed but not for the better.
woah going through the loop is so cool. always wondered what it would look like
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A really interesting video, thanks Richard.
All good 😊👍. This may help you find others of my similar videos which may be of interest.
Melbourne - Driver's View Trains
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH.html
thanks so much to you and your brave driver for risking being fired to make these you're the best
... is that actually a likely outcome on being discovered?
It is very possible. The Rail Safety Act clearly says that there should be no unauthorised persons in the cab, and that includes other train drivers taking a ride to work.
interesting, I was thinking the driver had taken the footage using a static camera and then passed it on to you rather than you being in the cab
Malcolm Herbert Maybe I misled you. The driver does take the scenes. I should have quoted another rule which states no electronic devices in the cab. That rule was to stop mobile phone use but of course cameras are electronic devices also. Would they take action against him if caught? Possibly.
Much enjoyed! Cheers from Wagga.
You will find plenty more similar here: Melbourne - Driver's View Trains
th-cam.com/play/PLLtOIHp49XNDtaNr2H41P2th0S56s6bIH.html
Nice to see another loop video.
😊👍
I love the explanations on the light signals
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I always wondered about what the loop looked like. Feels a bit faster than 60kms inside the train.
😊. With the risk of fines, you can be sure it is going no faster than 60 km/h
Wow things have changed a lot since I was last there in 2004, time for a trip to Melbourne in 2020
I always thought that Sydney was the only system in Au to use ATS/trips at signals to stop SPADS, also noticed that Caufield Tunnel has BiDirectional ATS/trips...
ya learn something new every day, thanks for your vids they are great..
Sydney and Melbourne electrification both took place around the same time. So they used similar technology for signals and the overhead wire voltage.
There is a proposal to make the Caufield Tunnel Single direction, when the Metro Tunnel is completed.
Rod Wilkinson I cannot think of anything more stupid than reversing the train direction in the middle of the day.
@@tressteleg1 Yes i agree, though for some travellers may have a presence for Parliament first stop after Richmond more so than Flinders street and going the long way around? It is thought many passengers may exit at Richmond and try and board an overcrowded Burnley Group Train rather than ride the majority of the loop to get to their chosen station, time will tell?
Rod Wilkinson I think it more important that casual city train users should know that the train will always go from one particular platform at any station. Chopping and changing at different times of the day and further at weekends is what pisses me off. And having to go via Flagstaff to get from North Melbourne to Southern Cross is plain idiotic
I also believe that due to how no trains coming from North Melbourne could enter the Caulfield loop the two portals at the Flinders Street end must be facing towards Richmond and connect to two separate lines that come from Richmond! :)
Techno Universal I have never studied the layout of the city loop in any detail. My impression is that it is poorly operated. The fact that at certain times there are no direct trains between Southern Cross and North Melbourne is totally ridiculous, and that has been the case for decades.
tressteleg1
Yeah like there are direct trains between Flinders Street and Richmond though it could still help if they had direct trains between Southern Cross and North Melbourne in the afternoons! :)
Techno Universal There should never be an obvious gap like that. And reversing loop direction around midday when there is no longer a Jolimont yard to empty in the afternoon is more insanity. Useless!
Man love ur videos keep up the awesome job wish i worked for metro
😊👍 Unfortunately working for Metro may not be the happy picnic you expect.
@@tressteleg1 I no even working at the station was my dream
It sounds like you are happy in some other work but if you ever consider moving to any aspect of transport, first have a quiet chat to some people already doing the job, tell them of your job plans, and see if they are happy, and if not, why not.
Fantastic video. I do, however, want to make a correction. At around the 10m 30s mark you note a signal displaying Red/Green and an explanation of what it means. Although the explanation for a red over green is correct, the signal is actually displaying YELLOW over Green which means "Reduce to Medium speed (40km/h in the absence of a "65" or "80" indicator)". The previous signal showed Green over Red. Red over Green would never be preceded by Green over Red as it gives the driver no warning to slow down (hence the need for the "Reduce to Medium" aspect)..A Driver may pass a Yellow/Green signal at road speed but must have the train slowed to 40km/h (or 60 or 80 as the case may be) before passing the next signal.
I remember looking at that signal many times to determine whether it was red or yellow. Despite doing these videos, I cannot get all the signal combinations in my head so the impossibility of what I wrote was not obvious to me but I have consulted Simon my signalling expert and confirmed your correctness. If anyone else notices and comments I will refer them here.
Is the platform 1 line out of Richmond still used? News to me..
I don’t know either way, and don’t live in Melbourne myself. Maybe it is only used on MCG days.
Can u do lilydale line or cranbourne line if u have time pls
I have nothing on those lines or Williamstown either. I have asked my driver to do those if he happens to work those lines some day. I’ll find out in summer.
The loop tunnels look deferent from what I Imagined
Sammy Singing Passengers have little idea what lines look like when they can’t see out the front 😊
I agree can we get one of glen Waverley to flinders
Sammy Singing The other direction has already been done. Driver's View Glen Waverley Line Melbourneth-cam.com/video/ZuM7tWQfSM4/w-d-xo.html
Seems like it originated Sandringham
Yes, that seems to be the case. Check the Printable timetable.
Brilliant Video Mate love it.
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tressteleg1 All good Mate 👍
Answer me this, why are Victorian trains consistently late?
How would I know? Ring up Metro. They think they are the worlds best train operators 😊
How long have the banner indicators been present on that line up on the viaduct? They look like a "recent" addition ...
Every time I head to Ballarat or Southern Cross, for some unknown reason the banner indicators fascinate me 🤣
When plat 1 and 2 are shut platform 4 should be anti clockwise meaning via parliament to flinders street then out to Richmond
I don’t know enough about the loop to comment but in normal circumstances I don’t believe the direction should ever be reversed.
Nice video like
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Been on this line to and from the footy
I thought that Caulfield was the place for punters to make their favourite bookie quite wealthy!
Nevertheless, Caulfield is still in the city and the lines go much further beyond there!
Never knew there was a Melbourne in VA!
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On completion employees were invited to walk part of the loop. I don't remember it being this creepy.
@@robertalkemade5569 Maybe you were younger and more daring then… 😊
Indians dominate the speaker system now. All due to one being recruited into the system and then hiring their own, it is an embarrassment for we Australians and God knows what tourists think.Information told to me by several Metro staff.
And Sydney 1960s it was migrants from Italy and Greece who took over the loudspeakers on the Sydney train system. At times it was difficult to recognise the names of stations we knew 😄😄
Heard train driving is very stressful job
There could be more to it than that. If you are considering the job, have a quiet chat with some drivers, telling them of you desire to join up.
Sandringham services terminate at platform 13 during weekdays
Again a nice video tressteleg1. Like it. What is the use of trips in the tunnel without signals? Or is it for redundancy, when the first trip fails to stop a train approaching a signal at danger, the second one will, and definatly the third one will stop the train?
If there is a train in the station and another comes along, if it comes too fast the trip arms will be up and it will be stopped. Otherwise as the second train approaches, the trip arms will go down one by one and the second train can get quite close to the first train safely.
@@tressteleg1 Hmm so when the second train would be tripped by the trip closest to the station (where the other train is still standing), the second train would not be brought to a stand still in time and would still hit the first train in the station. Guess it is that.
The engineers are much smarter than that. The rate at which each trip goes down is timed such that unless the train is simply creeping along, it will be stopped well short of the final trip and have to start from stop again. Certainly the last trip in the tunnel would remain up while the first train is still in the station. Maybe the second last trip would also remain up until the train had moved away. Additionally, the underground platforms are somewhat longer than the trains so the back of the stationary train would be well away from the tunnel mouth and well away from the final trip which will be up. If you live in Melbourne, you can take a look and see by how much. You can be certain that a system that is not 100% safe would not have been installed.
@@tressteleg1 Ok, thanks for explaining
We need to remember that if an engineer designed a signal system that was not foolproof and somebody died in a collision, the engineer could end up in court.
Sydney has/had such a system working in their underground from 1932, without problem as far as I know.
How long have you been driving trains for?
Officially, never. An anonymous friend makes the recordings. I process them with text etc.
Was that a really steep drop after Flagstaff to allow the northern loop to pass overhead?
I don’t know but often the camera exaggerates. I know that the Skyrail ramps are set at 1:40 which is OK. I suppose tunnel grades would be no steeper.
tressteleg1 hi, I imagine a suburban passenger train is capable of climbing grades much greater than a freight train, is that right? Freight trains need to negotiate sky rail (I think 1 in 40 would be right at their limit but could be wrong) but never go through the loop. The loop could have a steeper grade? When it comes to grades what limits a passenger train, it’s technical capability or passenger comfort and safety given a lot of passengers will be standing?
Steve Allen I’m not A student of railway grades but certainly it is something like one in 30 from Wynyard up onto the harbour bridge. Freight trains could handle this but only if you add enough extra locomotives, preferably spread through the train like the Queensland coal trains do. Maybe somebody else will reply with your answers.
Why do the trains go so slow???
Someone in management has decided that 60km/h (or less on curves) is the maximum safe speed, so be it.
Although tunneling is expensive, over time there will probably be more rail routed underground. You may even see bits of the tram system moved into tunnels to bypass the traffic.
Melbourne is currently building an underground line going from north to south right under the city centre. It is misnamed Metro. Generally putting trams underground is out of favour these days as they are less accessible there.
Can you do a new Flinders Street to Sunbury one please
I can only ‘do’ the lines my driver gives me. Let’s hope there is something when I see him in summer.
@@tressteleg1 wait, you're not a driver
Nope. A very brave guy takes the scenes.
tressteleg1 why is it brave?
SCRX rAndoMGuY There is a quite explicit nationwide rule about electronic devices in the train cab. If Metro is looking for him, and catch him, he is likely to get sacked.
i wouldnt cope been a train driver
What’s so hard about it? If you want to find a scary occupation, become a tram or bus driver where people and cars run across the front of you all the time. Trains are in a safe little bubble and the signals keep them apart. Not a worry in the world, at least presuming management is not a pack of rat bags.
the slowest train network i've seen - congrats!
Yes, it is rather slow.
In the tunnels and cbd they usually go a bit slower
City loop mate
Each of the four City Loop tunnels have their own name, Caulfield, Burnley, Clifton Hill and Northern, to correspond with which trains go through that tunnel. You can see the name written in a yellow box on the tunnel lip as the train goes in (2:05 on the video)