If Your Truck Does This REPLACE YOUR SHOCKS IMMEDIATELY!!
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- If Your Truck Does This REPLACE YOUR SHOCKS IMMEDIATELY!!
Today I decided to perform a small experiment. I wanted to see if the Rough Country shocks, included with my lift kit, actually are good shocks or not. My first impression with them was bad though they were installed wrong. So, to give them one more shot, I yanked out the Bilstein 4600 shocks and the provided 2" extension and swapped in the Rough Country N3 shocks. To my surprise they were still, in my opinion, really not great for my truck.
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Great video. There’s a reason they call them “Rough country.” 😃
Lol
Shoulda sprung for the vortex
Right? 😂
I’m about to get some Bilstein shocks installed (along with new track bar and tie rods) on my 99 Jeep WJ (2.5” coil spacers) and I get death wobble and rattling noise.
Your video gave me even more peace of mind!
I can’t wait to ride on new Bilsteins!!
Thank you for the testing!!! You have save me a lot of time and money. GREAT CHANNEL, Keep it up!
I have a 2" suspension lift on my 1995 f250 and am struggling with the shock choices. This has been a great help to me .Thank you!
I went from the "Rancho" labeled shocks that came on my Ford Super Duty to Bilstein 5100's and the difference was INCREDIBLE. I'd say the problem is your Rough Country shocks.
I think he says that too
I replaced my pro comp shocks that came with my lift with 5100’s night and day. A set of 4 was only $350.00
Maybe rancho has sold out to some one else. Up to mid nineties I ran nothing but dual rancho 9000on my 78 bronco. Ford 1-ton with 40’s.as well as another ten rides (including 2-CJ-5s, and two wranglers) over the decades. Loved them, jumped them, but with a lot of other suspension mods. Never ever had a problem.
Even the 4600s, which are closer to an OEM replacement for working trucks, is an improvement over just about any others I've ever used...
How long should factory shock last , estimate
This video is really good. I've learned something new and when it's time to change mine. I'm going to get the bilsteins. Thanks Sir👍🏾
Thank you, restoring an '89 K 2500 Cheyenne and your research and hard work helped me out very much saving time, money, neck and headache with your shock and suspension findings.
I have the 6" on my gmt400 with the Bilsteins 5100 and LOOVE it! Great videos!
Probably the best youtube video putting Rough Country vs Bilstein on a torsion bar lift. Thanks for the video and the work that went into it.
This is exactly what I needed to see and know. Thanks for sharing.
I will be changing my shocks this weekend and I run into your video now I will be installing Bilsteins thank you for your time and research.
I absolutely love that blue interior.
Thank you for your time,and sharing your experiment 🙏
this happened to me with Rough Countrys 6 inch suspension lift kit in the rear, it came with extensions for the shock but when I purchased the kit I also purchased the Rough Country extended shock for the 6 inch lift and every time I hit a bump I would get a hard knock in the rear... lets just say that I took off the extension and now it runs super smooth because the shock has the correct travel!
Thank you for all your research and hours of work. Very informative and helpful. I have a 97 GMC suburban and will be following pretty much in your foot steps. Awesome rig.
I had watched your transmission flush video and came here.
Lovely channel
Really appreciate your videos and how you thoroughly explain what you have going on.I love my OBS i resort to your videos quite often for tips and how to's ..thanks for quality informational videos!
Appreciate it man I'm about to level my k1500 and am doing research so thanks for the input
Jimmy love your Vids. I have a 1994 suburban with a 2 inch lift. Which 4600 did you go with? Did you keep the shock extension ? Thank you!
Good vid. R shock extensions meant for those that have a lift and want to use an OEM shock/strut?
Thank u for video. i have 2004 RAM 1500 4.7 4WD. When i bought it there was very old shocks installed, maybe from factory. I purchased 4600 and i was very happy until first ride. Rear is very stiff, it is like jumping and very uncomfortable. What should be the reason?
Trial and error takes a lot of work, but you're smarter now and the bounce is controlled better. Just think of what the costs would have been, if a shop would've been used to work this out. Great video, we all learned something.
Rough Country tends to be better for trucks used offroad where a bit more travel is needed, or constant travel with repeated bumps, but Bilstein is definitely better for on the road for these heavier beasts. I had switched my old 04 Durango (truck based) to Bilsteins and the difference over other brands was amazing. I am about to do the same on my 06 Silverado 2wd.
Bro u r amazing that's perfect work u r good man plz give ur group more information for American cars
I installed Bilstiens on my 99Chevy Suburban. Awesome shocks.
I love the interior in your suburban it looks very sharp I like the old interiors!
Thank Jimmy for your hours of trial work. I have a stock Xterra that needs new shocks and judging by your reaction Bilstein 4600 all the way around it is for me.
You should get a set of bilstein 5100/5150 shocks that are the same length as the lifted rough countrys
Did you use the 2 inch extension with the bilstein shocks in the front? Thanks! Great Channel!
Thank you for reminding me once again why I never want to raise my truck.
A quality lift like bds or kognito is worlds better than rough country.
You would not have had problems if he would have gotten a quality lift kit.
Funny I’ve put many lifts on trucks and jeeps. Some ride worse, some ride better. Sure if you stick with the bottom of the barrel stuff like rough country and/ or just do a leveling spacer or crank torsion keys (what is shown in the video) it’s going to be worse.
Personally I run CST 2.5” lift coilovers with aftermarket upper control arms, paired with 1” lift blocks and Fox 2.0 shocks in the rear.... and it rides and performs much better than stock. But again I also could’ve put a cheap 6-7” lift from rough country for less money than my coilovers alone cost, but then it wouldn’t ride good. Also not what I want, I went for a low lift but more suspension travel as I actually use my truck and enjoy light off roading and dirt roads when I go hunting. I’ve also ran and installed Fox, Bilstein, rancho, superlift, cognito, Zone/BDS, rough country, and stuff from more mfg’s. And basically any white body shock is going to be trash, and the rest comes down to suspension geometry and lift kit design
@@manlythings7586He wouldn't have had the problem if he would have bought the right shock in the first place, Bilstein has a video between the 4600 and 5100
I had a rough country lift on my Jeep and it worked very well for me. I never used Bilsteins before, but based on my research they seem to be better quality
Is it a 4.5 inch lift ? My truck got very bounce after installing my lift kit.
thanks jimmy for the long work and your effort, God bless you..😅😄
How’s the Bilsteins 4600 on a stock 99 Sierra? Ready for a purchase. Looking to help the ride quality.
Wow!!! Thanks there Jimmy!!! I’ve been looking to do a leveling kit for my 2011 Avalanche and was thinking about Bilstein shocks. This makes up my mind now!!! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Tinman you are already light years ahead, I have an 03 Avalanche with the same crappy torsion bar suspension shown on this 95. That should give you some idea of how the first gen Avs were no where near as good as the front coils your model uses. Only get the leveling kit that comes with taller coils, and you don’t need to change the upper control arm if you don’t want to up to 2-1/2 inches. (Never, ever take the cheap and truly ignorant method of spacers under either the front or rear coils. You will be so glad you spent a little more on a properly engineered kit the first time you take it on ruts and mud holes, towing, and adding any load to our already crappy lack of any real payload. 1200 lb payload? Christ almighty five adult men at 200 lbs a piece and you only have Four hundred lbs left for anything heavier you have added, like tires, real steel bumpers etc. The more you stack things the more weak hinge points you have to fail off road or during towing on curves or load it down with some real weight. The first gen avalanches have to have new upper control arms to control the camber when aligning it as well as longer sway bar links which are nearly impossible to find. That’s even with a mild to 2-1/2 leveling kit. I skipped the shock extensions and coil spaces in the rear and went with thicker, longer skyjacker rear coils. 4 Inches longer even thought my front level is only a 2” leveling torsion key set up. This is because the slide out drawers in my bed level out the stock truck dropping the back down two inches when not even fully loaded with camping gear or tools etc. The skyjacker coils came down 1-3/4 inches with same tool box set up, but supposedly increases payload by 70 percent. We’ll shall see when I add more over-landing racks and gear. I still consider this 1/2 ton a wannabe truck because I am used to 1-tons running big blocks and 40 inch swampers. I love stiff suspensions that don’t wallow up and down like an old Cadillac through intersections. I like not slowing down at all for speed bumps in the road and not feeling anything but the tires going up and down and not my frame. I may never like IFS but they will have to do until I can find a good condition 85 2500 suburban to use the frame and live axles from.
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@@donoberloh wow! I didn’t know the first gen were torsion key!!! I went under mine the other day and I must say I’m pleased. I totally agree with not cheaping out. It may be good on the pocket book but it ain’t worth it long term.
I see ur videos alot I have a 2004 Yukon I would like to level out and lift 2" what would I need and is it a certain kind of shock and rim size ill need
Your analysis is awesome. Thank you! Bilstein for me!
Great video bro. Thank you.
I love the bilsteins on my 98 z71. I've tried 3 different monroe shocks but spent the money on new bilsteins.
Jimmy, I'm going to install add a leafs in the rear of my k2500, my question is can I use Bilstein 4600s without extensions. The extra leaf should raise it from stock up about 2 to 2.5". I need new rear shocks anyway, so I wanted to go 4600s. Thanks man
Bilstein on all my vehicles from day one !
Thank you for the info bro great video
When you put the billstein shock back in did you use the riser or take it out completely to get more travel
When you put the bilsteins back in, did you add them w/ the extension?
Thx for the video looks like I will upgrade to the Billsteins in the future
Worst thing I did was bilstein on my suburban 800 miles replaced with rancho rs5000x rides as good or better than factory zw7 while being leveled 2+
Thank you jimmy! This video help me a lot! I appreciate you and the time you put in these videos, much love from Reno Nv
Thanks Sergio! Comments like this help me to keep on keeping on!! 🤙
Thank You That Helps Me A lot
Those Yellow/Blue Bilstein shocks are also indicating that they are a MONOTUBE design. They are a superior shock even at low speeds, because the surface area of the piston that the hydraulic fluid is forced through is much larger. Thus you get higher control/damping characteristics. You also get less shock fade on really bumpy roads because the gas and fluid filled chambers are completely separated. I love Bilstein shocks as you can tell
I was gonna say what he said
I bought 5100s gonna install them Thursday
@1ROAD Did you install the Bilstein with the two inch extension?
Who changed the upper control arms? Was the camber off with a leveling kit? Does this help align it? Did you lengthen the sway bar end links?
Question. You use stock length Bilstein on the back?
“That’s my hypotesis”. Theory is something else. Great vídeo.
You sold me on the blue and yellows great demonstration I will never by Rough country
@1Road I have a ‘99 two wheel drive. Can I use 4 wheel drive shocks in the rear of my two wheel drive Tahoe?
I like the comparison sometimes you just got to mess around and figure it out
So did you end up with or without the shock extenders on the Bilsteins for the front?
Passed the 'big dip' test! Yay!
Do you have enough funds to try some Fox shocks or try the 5100 that are designed for a 2-4" lift. I'd love to see your opinion on those.
I have the same bilsteins on my 95 I'm afraid to swap them for anything ever because it rides better than anything else still has after 4 years of abuse but I will be leveling the truck because of the old gm ass up issue. We will see..really appreciate all these videos on the 95 man. Although the truck has half the power of a newer one these 90s GMs are so affordable and fun to fix up.
I had a brand new 1991 GMC 2WD that didn't ride all that well even when new. When shock replacement time came, I went with the Bilsteins. Best move I ever made on that truck. A hunting friend who drove a lifted Nissan that would beat the hell out of you could not believe the difference they made in that truck .
Good faithful truck
Yes, I think the Suburban is just way too heavy for a cheap shock. Many years ago, I did install a 4" Rough County suspension on a 1992 Ford Ranger and used the supplied shocks. The worked OK on that setup I'm sure because the truck was much lighter and had coil springs. My 98Suburban has the same Bilstien shocks as yours, but they have well over 100,000 miles (truck has 216k miles) on them and feel a little weak, but not too bad. Keep up the good work. Really enjoy your videos.
Just out of curiosity, have you been able to find lower control arms for that k series?
Put rcs on my truck had terrible ride from day 1. Had kybs on a different truck that was stock height. Decided to swap rcs out for a set of kybs and it was a night and day difference. No regrets. I never put Rough Country on anything since. Thanks for the great video and explanation of your experience/condition.
Thx for your input... the previous owner put on KYB gas a just shocks on the truck at ..well im unsure what the mileage was when installed. I have been thinking lately of getting 3in spacers and rough country N3's on the truck but im just unsure. KYB is a great product though it's a pretty stiff ride. I think i would like a slightly softer smoother ride. Just unsure of what to swap them out for in the near future
My 2004 non 4 wheel drive needs shocks but only need highway shocks with the best ride I can get to go with my new Michelin tires🤗any recommendations 🤗😎🇺🇸
You almost got air bro! Send it!
This is a perfect example I have the 4.5 inch rough country lift on my 2wd 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 and it rides exactly like how yours does over those divets in the road been thinking about upgrading to the 5100s but some people say they are worse but honestly after seeing this I can’t see how they aren’t better and only for 120 a strut that’s perfect
I have a 4 inch Rough country lift but I put a track bar that cost around $300 and new proper drive shafts that cost around $600 and angled the transfer case just right , the shocks were great and were 4 inches longer with no extension brackets last 3 years so I ordered new Rough country shocks a couple weeks ago and they are much heavier and a much better shock than the ones that were new 3 years ago so the shocks from Cross country are much better for sure And I'm replacing the rear sway bar with a much heavier thicker steel so the rear end is as tight as the front end. My alignment is absolutely 100% perfect with 0 Death Wobble with 33 inch ×12.50 R17 tires and rims And I Use Many Different Channels So My Jeep Is Done Correctly The First Time. Thank You For Sharing Your Knowledge Much Appreciated Respect From Niagara Falls Ontario Canada.
Thanks dude, a local Bilstein recently retailer told me to go with the normal shock length since I had the adaptors installed on my current set up lmfao!! I kind of got the impression he wanted to sell the pairs that he had for some reason, maybe no demand!!!
Great videos! Im sure you know this but the 2 inch extension is for stock shocks only...im guessing it came with the torsion key set incase you dont buy upgraded shocks you can use you stock shocks with extension. Bilsteins or fox shocks are the way to go but pricey!! Rancho rs5000 if you want something better than OE but not as expensive as the bilsteins.
Jimmy, just wondering on the lift did you also adjust your axles so the drive shafts are lined up to save wear and tear on the universals??? Let me know ok.. Also I though you were a stock guy?
I have a black 1997 GMC just like yours 4x4 probably a little nicer LOL but I'm thinking of doing a 3-in rancho lift kit what would you recommend? I had rancho on an old 81 K5 and I went 6 inch, on the suburban I want to go 3 in I would really appreciate your feedback Jimmy.
Great educational video thanks
So longer shocks lift ur vehicle or do u have to replace other parts as well?
Nice info. Thank you
Excellent test
Can’t wait to get them on my grand wagoneer
Great video! Very cool! Thank you!
Great video! I'll be trying some Bilsteins and your video was helpful in my decision! The torsion bars don't have any more tension on them when "turned up" or re-keyed. They're just clocked differently to change their static position.
One of the best videos, by far
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What specific Rough Country Leveling kit did you use?
I am getting a harsh slamming over similar situations F250 4X4 with a 2-1/2 level kit and Rancho shocks I’m guessing it’s maxing them out once the spring unloaded a
Another Great video Brother.
Bilsteine is a much better Shock than ANY other brand.
It's All I ever run.
Thanks. I have the same lift kit on my '95 (about 3 months ago) and have experienced the same problem you're describing. Looks like I'll be swapping out the RC shocks.
I have the same kit aswell and regret buying it. Same shock problems too and those shock relocation brackets have been hitting the mounting bolt on the brake line to the backside of the brake caliper when I turn my wheels
did you disconnect the sway bar for the comparison test?
Great video, thank you.
I'm curious if you have lift extensions on the rear?
Bilsteins are better quality shocks
Not my experience, rancho rs5000x ride much smoother, it's all 2nd grade mathematics to figure the length of shocks needed, weather a drag car or off road, bilsteins are terrible in my opinion, road racing they might be ok otherwise they ride rough, you'd rattle your teeth out in chicago with the bilsteins, rougher than any fire road out west, steering bearing which clunked with stock sachs zw7 and worse with bilsteins went away with the rancho, if you live in the land of smooth roads they may be ok for the other 95% the are garbage
They r junk lasted 2 month on a stock Silverado
I tried Ranchos on my Nissan Titan and did not like them. The ride was worse than the worn stock shocks. I eventually replaced them with Bilsteins and they performed much better. Note that the truck was 2WD with no lifts. I do not do any offroad and just a daily driver. My experience is Bilsteins were better. It all depends on what type of driving you do.
@@drphibesrises Nope, not all depends on the "Driving you do" it depends more on the right shock absorber for the right application, in your instance, you do have the right part for the right truck, so thats why you see a positive outcome and im glad for you,👍.
In the other nagging reviews, most of them people blame the shock absorbers for a bad performance but most likely is that they were either given or they chose the wrong shock absorber for their veihcle..
@@heathalden2905 thanks for the scam Pam ... lol
Very helpful video 👍🏼
So if i have a six inch lift do i need eight inch lift shocks?
It feels like a lowrider with rough country
Hi jimmy
Bilsteins have always been good quality shocks, if you can send your vidio footage to rough country to show what you where getting with the fitment of the rough country shocks.
Plus keep up the good work with the vids👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Dude thank you I put extenders on mine but I did a wulf 3 inch and my shocks did the exact same thing and I could figure out if it was my tortion keys to tight or not but now I know I'ma get rid of the extender and get bigger shocks
I have a 2004 Expedition that swerve when I hit a bump, I checked all the struts for leaks and did not find in all 4 struts, I replaced all 4 struts and the swerving on bumps goes away, so it might be the struts but which one is defective?
Do you think this fit my 1997 Silverado C1500??
I am having the same problem with my rough countrys on my 02 2500hd Silverado. I just bought Holstein 5100s after seeing your video. Great and thorough video that answered my question on why my front end just felt so spongy after going over bumps on the highway. Cannot applaud you enough for this video!!
So do you have the 2 inch extension with the bilsteins?
Yeah I've heard RC shocks aren't great, you really tried to give em a chance though haha. Thanks for the video i still have my orginal shocks haha.
$22 Monroe’s ride better
I have done this with leaf springs, added three to each side of my e-150. For a total of 7 for each side. Your shocks will be working harder..
Plan on changing out my stock shocks on my 2023 F350 pretty soon. People say the stock shocks aren't so great.
I love this content.
I have 2004 Expedition first bought it used with 100k miles,I noticed a bumpy rides and every time I hit a bump or a dip it will squander to the right in other words the whole truck is bumpy and with terrible handling .I changed all the shocks but it is kind of stiff ride now but the handling is much better but not perfect.All 4 struts are replaced but I noticed the original tire is size 17 and the what I have on it is a 20 ,is that an issue of why this truck is not in spec for comfort and good handling?
Can I use the 2 inch extension on my truck with tightened tortion keys ?
Great video! I’m about to put the same lift in my 2001 and I’m going with 5100’s!
Did the 5100s fit right with the 2-3" leveling kit?