Two weeks ago we listened to them setup outside at the Klipsch museum . My third time to hear them. I lack words to explain the sound except you must hear it to believe it.
Thanks for your impression. There are many that have the commercial Jubilee's as their home system that have been massaged and refined x-overs . I would love to hear a set but, 38k is way over my wife's idea of speaker budget. I would probably get a throat punch and a kick to the nads before she shoots me.
You’re quite welcome. Yes, they are expensive. They’re also enormous, so they’re out of the reach of most people for one reason or another. Your wife may actually have a good point. 😂
That price is for the 75th Anniversary models. When the regular Jubilee models become available, the price will be at least a bit lower. Even so, not everyone has room for 4-foot-wide speakers. Of course, The Jubilee is flat down to about 20 Hz, so you save the floor space a sub or subs would have occupied.
Thanks for the description of the room that the "new Jubilees" were in. While Jubilees are probably the least sensitive of all loudspeakers to room size, I believe that you are correct in mentioning that the 15 x 15 basement room with low ceiling height isn't really the best showplace for these magnificent loudspeakers. In my listening room, the TAD TD-4002 "professional" Jubilees (I've owned since December 2007) do sound quite good after being dialed in well (carefully using REW/UMIK-1 and Xilica XP-8080 DSP crossover for ± 1.5 dB SPL flatness [psychoacoustic smoothing] and ± 90 degree phase response from 100-20,000 Hz). They image extremely well when listened to at any location in-room outside of a 1-2 m radius from the front baffle.--all the way to the back of the 40' deep listening room (15.5' wide by 9' tall). The 5.1 multichannel setup that I use of course images quite well when within 15' listening distance, but the setup is even more impressive in terms of its room-filling capabilities and natural sound. They simply blow away the sound of Cornwalls, La Scala, Klipschorns, etc. and are just as neutral sounding as Danley SH-50s. So in balance, I think that your description of the sound quality of these loudspeakers was somewhat brief, and I attribute this to the listening room and the inability to spend some time with them get a quiet room with the best recordings possible to form a reasonable opinion of them. I would recommend at least a 3-hour listening session without interruption predominantly using natural recordings--i.e., those recordings that preserve the phase response of the original instruments in their recording space without use of a mixing console or other "build the track in a DAW" type recording/album. Natural recordings typically include fully acoustic non-amplified acoustic instrumentation within a proper recording, such as orchestra, ensemble, or solo instruments (such as classical guitar or unamplified human voice. Thanks again for the overview of your listening experience with the .new Jubilees. Chris
IIRC, the Klipsch rep told me the top was driven by the Luxman LX-380 (18W/ch.) and the bottom was driven by the MQ-88uC (25W/ch.). I know those wattage values are correct. Unfortunately, I did not get to speak with Mr. Delgado
That is basically my conclusion from 20 years ago. Good horn speakers, especially large horns, need a big space (like theaters have). If they are too close, they will bark at you and sound tunnel like.
I have read that the original Jubilee professional model rolls off below 45 Hz, so I assume the active crossover equalizes the bass to extend it to 18 Hz.
The Celestion compression driver is unique in that it is able to cover roughly 300-20000KHz without the use of a crossover They call it an axiperiodic driver and they cost about a grand each, not including the horn, of course. There are, however, other similarly large compression drivers from the likes of B&C, BMS and I think JBL has one as well that use a more typical coaxial design with two diaphragms and a crossover. I've heard the BMS model in a JTR speaker and it sounded fantastic. I'd love to hear the Celestion take on this to see if the lack of a crossover really improves the performance or makes no difference.
Thanks for commenting. Yes, the Celestian driver has an unusually wide bandwidth. In my experience crossovers have big sonic drawbacks but so does pushing drivers to wider ranges than they can readily handle. Also, not sure if Klipsch shapes the frequency response in the DSP, but I assume they probably do, so they might be able to get even broader flat response than they could with the driver and a traditional, passive crossover.
@@thebostonaudiophile In my humble opinion, you must have filtered this new speaker, so that it does not go below 200-300 Hz, in order not to burn them out, right?
Why do listeners/dealers feel the need to severely TOE IN the NEW generation of Klipschorns and Jubilees ?? I have owned older Klipschorns that NEED to be in the corner to make their bass and keep up with the MID horn. The stereo soundstage is made limited by doing this angle of 45 degrees. These new, top Heritage speakers have made it so your can FINALLY be free to head them straight out into the room and throw a HUGE stereo width. Just picked up the Forte' 4's. I tried toe in, and the stereo image became narrow or 'limited'. Setting them straight out makes a big difference. They are 12 feet apart and 30 inches from the front wall and powered by all tubes. AMAZING !👍
@@thebostonaudiophile Thank you, yes, I prefer a wide stereo image if at all possible, especially across my listening area for my guests. I am VERY fortunate to have a large, dedicated space to give plenty of breathing room for both the Martin Logan system and the new Klipsch speakers I would be very happy to share it with you and get your thoughts on the system, I'm in the western end of the state (O: My local dealer has a pair of the 75th anniversary Jubilees. The suggested price was $45k I believe. Glad you have met with Roy, he has done VERY well with PWK's original designs and made very nice advances upon them.
Just a further thought about that experience. As great as that Klipsch Jubilee experience was, it became clearer to me that they need a seriously BIG room to really sound their best. How big? I don't know. But, I'm pretty certain that my 13 x 26 x 8.5 living room wouldn't work.
Avec les Celestion Axi2050, c'est la première fois que Klipsch met des haut parleurs aussi onéreux dans ses enceintes ! Avec pareil choix, il est impossible que ces enceintes ne fonctionnent pas aussi bien qu'il semble vouloir le dire, et je pense que la mise en oeuvre du système n'était pas bonne ce jour, ou ses oreilles pas prêtes. Les Axi2050 dans les Khorns, c'est pour quand, car c'était l'idée de départ de PWK à leur conception !
you might like to turn yours into active speakers would be the best approach if you got the amplifiers, the linkwitz active crossovers dsp or asp $130 from madisound
I listen to this video with headphones on in the speaker sounded like a live concert to me. I'm not sure how they can justify the price but I'm not rich so I don't know.
Hey Boston guy. The new jubilee are fine, but are too big and expensive for almost everyone. Many of us want to hear more about your Cornwalls. Did you do any more mods? I may upgrade a few caps in the crossover. Please make a Cornwall update vid. Thanks
The room wasn’t ideal. These things are HEAVY, so I suspect for practical reasons, they chose the ground floor. If I’m not mistaken the worst shape for a listening room is a cube. Thanks for watching and commenting.
IMHO: forty thousand in today's HiFi market is by no measure excessive especially considering the quality you're getting and what other - inferior systems - cost today...
Wow 35-38 thousand? For approximately 8-10 thousand worth of material and components? These just prove what PT BARNUM said-THERES A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE! Cheers 😂LoL
The marginal unit cost of a product is somewhat irrelevant. What matters is what one wants, what one can afford, and what alternatives are available to them.
I cnt imagine anyone spending this much on a speaker for home use. Just get a Yuichi A-290 with a TAD 4001 and build a simple box with a TAD 15" and call it a day for under $10k
Sure, but their sound is what matters. Oddly enough, it's the small rooms that benefit most from large horns. The reason for this is that the sound in a small room can be dominated by reflections from the walls that are so close to the speakers and to each other. The big Klipsch K-402 mid/tweeter horn is very directional, so that you hear what's coming out of the horn, while the reflections from the walls, ceiling, and floor are much fainter, resulting in clean clear sound. My home system has JubScala IIs as the main Left-Right speakers. This is a modded La Scala II with the HF (squawker and tweeter) section disconnected and replaced with the big Jubilee horn. In this application, the crossover point is around 480 Hz, with the very broadband new K-691 tweeter covering the range from 480 Hz to 20 KHz. The stock La Scala II crossover is replaced with an Electro-Voice Dx38 24-bit digital processor, which allows for far more accurate correction of the horn's frequency response than would be possible with a passive crossover. As well, the Dx38 allows for time alignment of the tweeter and woofer, something that's almost impossible with a passive crossover. Trying to tune a system like this by ear would be nearly impossible, but Klipsch has provided the settings to anyone who's interested in taking their speakers to the next level, using available Klipsch parts. This is how it's possible for someone who doesn't have an Electrical Engineer degree to set up their system to sound so good that it's really amazing. While that's fine, the Jubilee takes the concept all the way, maybe even to the end of the rainbow, because its sound is solid gold. The best. For my system, the room dimensions are 18'x19'x8', with one side open to the dining room. How do they work in this space? GREAT, that's how, even at low volume levels, which they do very well. The active crossover corrects some notorious peaks and dips in the frequency response, making for sound that's so clear and realistic that familiar recordings can sound like new and better songs. Keep in mind that most people who buy speakers that can cost over $30k tend to have larger rooms available for music listening. I guess that covers how listening is more important than looking when it comes to speakers. Also, when a partner hears her/his favourite music through the new Jubilees, that may be all it takes to make them totally acceptable in the house. Seriously.
@@Sloimer Make the horns 3 times bigger? The K402 horn is already 1 metre wide. I don't have the physical space in my living room to accommodate tweeter horns that would be around 10 feet wide and 8 feet tall. Where would I put the bass sections of the speakers?
Good - loathe passive crossovers. No matter how expensive your amp/speaker combo, having a bunch of resistors, capacitors and inductors between the two kills the dynamics.
Two weeks ago we listened to them setup outside at the Klipsch museum
. My third time to hear them. I lack words to explain the sound except you must hear it to believe it.
Don’t get me wrong, I like the woods in the background, but I’d rather have those Klipsch’s in the background instead.
I understand, but I couldn’t make a video in the Jubilee demo room.
Thanks for your impression. There are many that have the commercial Jubilee's as their home system that have been massaged and refined x-overs . I would love to hear a set but, 38k is way over my wife's idea of speaker budget. I would probably get a throat punch and a kick to the nads before she shoots me.
You’re quite welcome. Yes, they are expensive. They’re also enormous, so they’re out of the reach of most people for one reason or another. Your wife may actually have a good point. 😂
That price is for the 75th Anniversary models. When the regular Jubilee models become available, the price will be at least a bit lower. Even so, not everyone has room for 4-foot-wide speakers. Of course, The Jubilee is flat down to about 20 Hz, so you save the floor space a sub or subs would have occupied.
Get rid of the wife now🤌
Thanks for the description of the room that the "new Jubilees" were in. While Jubilees are probably the least sensitive of all loudspeakers to room size, I believe that you are correct in mentioning that the 15 x 15 basement room with low ceiling height isn't really the best showplace for these magnificent loudspeakers.
In my listening room, the TAD TD-4002 "professional" Jubilees (I've owned since December 2007) do sound quite good after being dialed in well (carefully using REW/UMIK-1 and Xilica XP-8080 DSP crossover for ± 1.5 dB SPL flatness [psychoacoustic smoothing] and ± 90 degree phase response from 100-20,000 Hz). They image extremely well when listened to at any location in-room outside of a 1-2 m radius from the front baffle.--all the way to the back of the 40' deep listening room (15.5' wide by 9' tall). The 5.1 multichannel setup that I use of course images quite well when within 15' listening distance, but the setup is even more impressive in terms of its room-filling capabilities and natural sound. They simply blow away the sound of Cornwalls, La Scala, Klipschorns, etc. and are just as neutral sounding as Danley SH-50s.
So in balance, I think that your description of the sound quality of these loudspeakers was somewhat brief, and I attribute this to the listening room and the inability to spend some time with them get a quiet room with the best recordings possible to form a reasonable opinion of them. I would recommend at least a 3-hour listening session without interruption predominantly using natural recordings--i.e., those recordings that preserve the phase response of the original instruments in their recording space without use of a mixing console or other "build the track in a DAW" type recording/album. Natural recordings typically include fully acoustic non-amplified acoustic instrumentation within a proper recording, such as orchestra, ensemble, or solo instruments (such as classical guitar or unamplified human voice.
Thanks again for the overview of your listening experience with the .new Jubilees.
Chris
Thanks for sharing your Jubilee experiences!
The master piece is the Axi 2050 Celestion Axiperiodic engine compression 300k to 20000k
IIRC, the Klipsch rep told me the top was driven by the Luxman LX-380 (18W/ch.) and the bottom was driven by the MQ-88uC (25W/ch.). I know those wattage values are correct. Unfortunately, I did not get to speak with Mr. Delgado
Thanks. You may be right about the amps. We were lucky to have had the opportunity to hear them !
WOW, sure wish I could have joined you for that experience!
I’m very lucky to have had this opportunity. In time, it will get easier. Hope you get the chance soon!
Thank you for your impressions
You’re very welcome. Thanks for watching!
That is basically my conclusion from 20 years ago. Good horn speakers, especially large horns, need a big space (like theaters have). If they are too close, they will bark at you and sound tunnel like.
Thank you for the impression.
You’re very welcome.
Very interesting - kind of weird that Klipsch didn’t present these unique loudspeakers in a more comfortable and sound appropriate environment.
I have read that the original Jubilee professional model rolls off below 45 Hz, so I assume the active crossover equalizes the bass to extend it to 18 Hz.
The Celestion compression driver is unique in that it is able to cover roughly 300-20000KHz without the use of a crossover They call it an axiperiodic driver and they cost about a grand each, not including the horn, of course. There are, however, other similarly large compression drivers from the likes of B&C, BMS and I think JBL has one as well that use a more typical coaxial design with two diaphragms and a crossover. I've heard the BMS model in a JTR speaker and it sounded fantastic. I'd love to hear the Celestion take on this to see if the lack of a crossover really improves the performance or makes no difference.
Thanks for commenting. Yes, the Celestian driver has an unusually wide bandwidth. In my experience crossovers have big sonic drawbacks but so does pushing drivers to wider ranges than they can readily handle. Also, not sure if Klipsch shapes the frequency response in the DSP, but I assume they probably do, so they might be able to get even broader flat response than they could with the driver and a traditional, passive crossover.
@@thebostonaudiophile In my humble opinion, you must have filtered this new speaker, so that it does not go below 200-300 Hz, in order not to burn them out, right?
@@dab9742 It’s a 2way speaker. “Crossover” is at 340Hz, via DSP, I believe.
@@thebostonaudiophile Ok, thank you !
Celestion is good and very cheap but could never compete with TAD 4002 or 4003. Very unfortunately. ..and forget about B&C and BMS.
The jubiles here in my city are 57K
Glad you're back making videos now and again. I wonder what those babies will set you back?
He's too stupid to mention they are $35K pair.
I think they’re around $36,000 a pair. 😳
Why do listeners/dealers feel the need to severely TOE IN the NEW generation of Klipschorns and Jubilees ?? I have owned older Klipschorns that NEED to be in the corner to make their bass and keep up with the MID horn. The stereo soundstage is made limited by doing this angle of 45 degrees.
These new, top Heritage speakers have made it so your can FINALLY be free to head them straight out into the room and throw a HUGE stereo width.
Just picked up the Forte' 4's. I tried toe in, and the stereo image became narrow or 'limited'. Setting them straight out makes a big difference. They are 12 feet apart and 30 inches from the front wall and powered by all tubes. AMAZING !👍
I advocate experimenting and keeping an open mind. If you like your Forte’s a certain way, then my hat’s off to you. Enjoy!
@@thebostonaudiophile Thank you, yes, I prefer a wide stereo image if at all possible, especially across my listening area for my guests.
I am VERY fortunate to have a large, dedicated space to give plenty of breathing room for both the Martin Logan system and the new Klipsch speakers I would be very happy to share it with you and get your thoughts on the system, I'm in the western end of the state (O:
My local dealer has a pair of the 75th anniversary Jubilees. The suggested price was $45k I believe.
Glad you have met with Roy, he has done VERY well with PWK's original designs and made very nice advances upon them.
Just a further thought about that experience. As great as that Klipsch Jubilee experience was, it became clearer to me that they need a seriously BIG room to really sound their best. How big? I don't know. But, I'm pretty certain that my 13 x 26 x 8.5 living room wouldn't work.
I agree, a larger room would improve the sound/experience.
Your room is large enough, but you'd have to deal with the 13'/26' standing waves. You would need to put them on the long wall, though.
Avec les Celestion Axi2050, c'est la première fois que Klipsch met des haut parleurs aussi onéreux dans ses enceintes !
Avec pareil choix, il est impossible que ces enceintes ne fonctionnent pas aussi bien qu'il semble vouloir le dire, et je pense que la mise en oeuvre du système n'était pas bonne ce jour, ou ses oreilles pas prêtes.
Les Axi2050 dans les Khorns, c'est pour quand, car c'était l'idée de départ de PWK à leur conception !
Why are you speaking French in a TH-cam channel that's clearly presented in English?
Why did you NOT let us hear the speakers?
Because I’m a very mean son of a bitch! 😂
Because it’s TH-cam and you’re listening on a phone anyway lol
@@Sloimer
Not necessarily. Some off us listen on MacBooks and premium headphones.
You can't hear speakers over a mix and phone or laptop speaker!!
I heard those at the AV Therapy open house.
you might like to turn yours into active speakers would be the best approach if you got the amplifiers, the linkwitz active crossovers dsp or asp $130 from madisound
I doubt I’ll buy jubilees. There absolutely huge and very expensive too!
I listen to this video with headphones on in the speaker sounded like a live concert to me. I'm not sure how they can justify the price but I'm not rich so I don't know.
Hey Boston guy. The new jubilee are fine, but are too big and expensive for almost everyone. Many of us want to hear more about your Cornwalls. Did you do any more mods? I may upgrade a few caps in the crossover. Please make a Cornwall update vid. Thanks
Too small room without any acoustic treatment.
You’re not wrong! Thanks for tuning in.
From what I remember a small square room with the low ceiling is about the worst environment for speakers!
You would think these retailers would opt for a display area that would complement their product.
The room wasn’t ideal. These things are HEAVY, so I suspect for practical reasons, they chose the ground floor. If I’m not mistaken the worst shape for a listening room is a cube. Thanks for watching and commenting.
You need 1 more for LCR!
Good point. I don’t think it would fit though. 😂
Lucky man.
Indeed. 🙏
Hi,
Im considering these speakers. Thanks for sharing your experience
You’re welcome. It’s an exciting product!
You can build these speakers with $4k in components and plywood and some wood working skills. They are the easiest speakers to build.
@@interesting7906 Yes I thought that. After this was going to check out DIY forums.
Rooms not treated?
I don’t recall seeing any room treatment.
I'd love to listen to the MC5 or Iggy & The Stooges through these whales!!!!!
IMHO: forty thousand in today's HiFi market is by no measure excessive especially considering the quality you're getting and what other - inferior systems - cost today...
Wow 35-38 thousand? For approximately 8-10 thousand worth of material and components? These just prove what PT BARNUM said-THERES A SUCKER BORN EVERY MINUTE! Cheers 😂LoL
The marginal unit cost of a product is somewhat irrelevant. What matters is what one wants, what one can afford, and what alternatives are available to them.
MDF ? Instead of plywood. Another MISTAKE.
@@stephennielsen2134 Too bad they couldn't use Russian Baltic Birch!
I cnt imagine anyone spending this much on a speaker for home use. Just get a Yuichi A-290 with a TAD 4001 and build a simple box with a TAD 15" and call it a day for under $10k
They’re definitely not budget speakers but the bigger limiting factor may be their size. Hard to convey just how huge these are. 😂
6000th viewer c:
These look comically large in any space smaller than a warehouse
Yes, they’re huge! I agree that they’ll look (and sound) better in a larger room.
Sure, but their sound is what matters. Oddly enough, it's the small rooms that benefit most from large horns. The reason for this is that the sound in a small room can be dominated by reflections from the walls that are so close to the speakers and to each other. The big Klipsch K-402 mid/tweeter horn is very directional, so that you hear what's coming out of the horn, while the reflections from the walls, ceiling, and floor are much fainter, resulting in clean clear sound.
My home system has JubScala IIs as the main Left-Right speakers. This is a modded La Scala II with the HF (squawker and tweeter) section disconnected and replaced with the big Jubilee horn. In this application, the crossover point is around 480 Hz, with the very broadband new K-691 tweeter covering the range from 480 Hz to 20 KHz. The stock La Scala II crossover is replaced with an Electro-Voice Dx38 24-bit digital processor, which allows for far more accurate correction of the horn's frequency response than would be possible with a passive crossover. As well, the Dx38 allows for time alignment of the tweeter and woofer, something that's almost impossible with a passive crossover.
Trying to tune a system like this by ear would be nearly impossible, but Klipsch has provided the settings to anyone who's interested in taking their speakers to the next level, using available Klipsch parts. This is how it's possible for someone who doesn't have an Electrical Engineer degree to set up their system to sound so good that it's really amazing. While that's fine, the Jubilee takes the concept all the way, maybe even to the end of the rainbow, because its sound is solid gold. The best.
For my system, the room dimensions are 18'x19'x8', with one side open to the dining room. How do they work in this space? GREAT, that's how, even at low volume levels, which they do very well. The active crossover corrects some notorious peaks and dips in the frequency response, making for sound that's so clear and realistic that familiar recordings can sound like new and better songs. Keep in mind that most people who buy speakers that can cost over $30k tend to have larger rooms available for music listening.
I guess that covers how listening is more important than looking when it comes to speakers. Also, when a partner hears her/his favourite music through the new Jubilees, that may be all it takes to make them totally acceptable in the house. Seriously.
@@nomorokay in that case why not just make them 3 times bigger?
@@Sloimer
Make the horns 3 times bigger? The K402 horn is already 1 metre wide. I don't have the physical space in my living room to accommodate tweeter horns that would be around 10 feet wide and 8 feet tall. Where would I put the bass sections of the speakers?
Roy Delgado?
I’m not sure what you’re asking but yes, I did have a chance to chat with the one and only Roy Delgado!
If Klipschorns are not big enough fir you then...
Good - loathe passive crossovers.
No matter how expensive your amp/speaker combo, having a bunch of resistors, capacitors and inductors between the two kills the dynamics.
What kind of troll are you???????....... I love your review but....heytyyy dude...... Put more jubilee music.
Thanks! I would have, for sure, but I didn’t want TH-cam to ban my video for copyright infringement.
I’m no presenter. but actually looking into the camera might be an idea.