What do you guys think? Is is a problem in practice and have you ran into it already? Update November 6th 2023: The Steinberg technical note now states that Cubase 13 supports hybrid architectures without limitations!!
I have Dell XPS 8950 desktop PC with Win 11 with Intel i9-12900K CPU, and I have experienced weird dropouts, not just in Cubase but even when playing TH-cam in Chrome. I still don't know where the problem is (Dell community have described same error but different causes) - so I have decided to buy Mac Studio M1 Max instead of that PC. Steinberg seems to have been very slow in customer support lately, I have opened two tickets because my Nuendo purchase - but still NO reply or anything from Steinberg, even after 4 weeks.
@@dokma_eu FYI I'm using a fairly recent (Oct 2022) Dell Optiplex 5000 with an Intel 12th Gen i7-12700 and 64gB ram. Had bad "dropout" issues every 15-20 mins that indicated as ugly CPU spikes on the Cubase cpu monitor. Cause turned out to be Dell's own "Vault, "Support," and "Techhub" services. Uninstalled as many as I could and disabled the rest in Win Services. Be advised that every 4-6 weeks they self re-enable. Dell sucks as a realtime platform.
@@CB-Music I have read about that possible solution on the Dell's Community website. I also have older (2016) Dell XPS desktop with less issues than the new one. At the end I believe I will get rid of it and acquire Mac Studio M1 Max which does not have such issues (has other issues but that's another thread). Thanks for letting me know and confirmation that Dell's services are to blame. I even thought of buying non-Dell motherboard and moving all components into it. Too bad I even bought that Dell XPS, because Mac Studio came out like a month after that. Dell's equipment is not as good as it was 10 years ago, now that I have experienced it I would not get another Dell even if it was for free!
Hi, I'm running Cubase 12 Pro on Windows 11 pro and i7-12700. Everything is running smootley . Haven't noticed any hickups. Even with heavy virtual instruments in the project. Nuendo also is running with no problems 🤷♂
Thanks for the video-- hopefully it gets Steinberg's attention to fix ASAP-- I just built my new system w/ Intel i7-13700k/maxed out ram at 128GB on Win 11 (Cubase 12) and doing a simple export mixdown the other day (not very many tracks or plugins) I got a CPU overload error-- it did not complete the export-- I couldn't believe it-- I immediately started researching and found out about this exact problem-- already looking for other DAWS without this problem-- I've spent too much money on Cubase for years to be dealing with this garbage
When I notice it has been solved I will surely report it somehow, and put it in the pinned comment of this video. Steinberg doesn't notify me personally about this though ;)
Huh? Proof that as a tech, and music professional I can also say you should never just leap blindly into the latest (_______) fill in the blank with cpu, OS, driver, bios, sw, etc. If it works now and delivers, dont't f__k with it. Part of the release to market is to get sales. Testing is not completely perfect, or it would take too long to get it out to customers and thus lose revenue. Thank you to Steinberg and Lanewood for reminding us of this and giving a little warning.
Yes, it’s also what I did when I built my new DAW. Didn’t go straight to the latest processor and motherboards. And when a new version of Cubase is released I tend to get it right away (because I’m interested), but keep using the older version for serious things until I’m more confident on the new release.
It’s not an issue, Steinberg is freaking out over nothing. My i9-13900KF is 8P, 16E and 8 hyper threaded and I’m running the latest Z790 and DDR5 ram and when I run a huge project, all cores run and I get zero dropouts. I know several other composers running 13th gen with NO issues.
@@PaulieDC ok thanks, and great that it works for you and many others. I did get a couple of reports in this post that had problems though. Are you running Windows 10 or 11?
You're coming to this a bit late! It's a real issue: I have had to disable all E-cores on my 12700K to get consistent performance in Cubase. This does not appear to happen with Reaper on the same system, but I load Cubase much harder. However, blaming Steinberg alone for this is a little unfair, it is Intel's Thread Director that is not fully optimised for real-time operations, and Microsoft and Steinberg have no option but to use it. I do hope it is all sorted out soon, otherwise I'll build a 7xxx AMD DAW box instead and retire the 12700K for gaming.🙄
Yes I only recently heard about it. Sorry to hear that it is affecting your DAW. And indeed at the moment it is unclear in which software layer(s) this needs to be resolved. Good that the workaround is working for you but unfortunate of course that you cannot use the CPU as intended. You could try to only run Cubase without E-cores so that at least it doesn’t affect other applications.
@@LanewoodStudios Yes I tried that, but it did not work on my motherboard. Why? Dunno. Disabling the e-cores using the gaming setting in the BIOS works fine. The symptoms, btw, were very high usage of CPU when e-cores engaged. I am sure it will vary depending on what the user is doing. If it's mostly audio recording, it may not be an issue. I am a MIDI composer primarily, using many VI plugins, so it was an irritant for me. As this machine is a dedicated DAW I don't care about losing the e-cores in other applications. I have also purchased Vienna Ensemble and am planning on offloading a lot of VI plugins to a secondary 64GB machine upgraded to an AMD 5700X, left over from a Proxmox server 1700X. We'll see how that goes. On mixdown it's all less of an issue because I can increase the buffer size a lot...😄
@@jrgroberts ok, thanks for adding your experiences in real life with this. It might help others 👍. And hopefully it will get sorted for you at some point.
Thanks for this video. I seem to be running into this problem with a 13th gen i9 and Cubase 13. Turn hyperthreading etc in the bios and Cubase goes nuts. Even turning it off im getting some bad glitches
Perhaps report it to Steinberg and the Cubase forums because it should be ‘fixed’ in Cubase 13. Also try some of the workarounds to see if they make a difference.
@@LanewoodStudiosYes I'm working through all the suggestions. The main bios option that is affecting everything is "Intel Virtualisation Technology" must be turned off - Cubase is completely unusable if this is turned on. Yep planning on posting in the forum
Thank you too for this enlightening video 👍 The YT algorithm suggested this video literally 1 hour before I was going to do perfomance tests on a new 12700 (Win11 & C12) today. Initially I planned to go for a 12900, but 12700 seems to do the job as well, a noticeably improvement anyway coming from a 6-core intel. I asked Greg Ondo almost 1 year ago in the Cubase hang outs if there were known issues with Alder Lake CPUs - he didn´t advise against it. Reason being why this case was closed for me and why I didn´t do further research when purchasing the new machine recently. I can´t say yet if my system is going to run into performance problems - I am also a little bit relieved to see that some 12700--users on this page confirm that they have no problems. But honestly, Alder Lake CPUs have been released Q4´21, and I presume that a vast majority of Cubase users are on Intel/Windows - how long will it take them (whether Intel or Steinberg) to fix this issue? This is really disappointing...
You are welcome, even though I’m sure it’s not a very welcome surprise to you 😬. You don’t know whether it will actually impact you. If it was really a problem for everyone then I would imagine to have heard much more about it. Anyway, I hope your system is fine or that any of the workarounds are workable for you.
Hi, I just purchased a new config with a Core I5 12500. If I'm not wrong this processor have only P Cores (6 ?). So I shouldn't have troubles using Cubase ?
Yes I think you're right. This processor only has p-cores so looking at what Steinberg said about the cause of the problem, this processor should not be affected.
I have a later video about this in which Steinberg says it is fixed, so I would just buy one of the latest processors. th-cam.com/video/MBT_N08yAko/w-d-xo.html
Bought a new 13900K 128GB RAM Win11 and C12 (coming from 5820K 32GB) and finally after disabling the E-Cores in BIOS it´s running smooth...had so many dropouts before. Hope they fix it soon.
Thanks for your input. It's so weird that other people with a similar configuration as yours do not seem to be impacted 🤔, but maybe you're stressing the system more than they do. Disabling the e-cores just for Cubase did not work?
Read on gearspace or vi-control that a overclocked 13900k was running flawless… can’t remember which site, but looked promising… I’m waiting to see how the new Xeon W-3400 or 2400 series performs; single-core, latency, all P-Core over clock headroom. The RAM expandability, pcie lanes, etc… look yummy.
Hi. I have never heard anyone talk about this issue before. So i just bought a new computer. Running win11 and 13gen i7 prosessor, and 32gb ddr5 5600mhz ram. Cubase runs ok. But i notice that the asio guard is alot higher now than it was on my old i5 8gen prosessor, and 16 gb ddr4 ram. So something is off. Hope steinberg correct this soon.
It was published on the Steinberg site a while ago but I didn’t really hear about it in a very big way either. So was wondering if it was actually a problem in real life. Enjoy your new system, I’m sure it will be sorted at some point.
Per Steinberg: Update 2023-08-28: Recent tests indicated that the situation has improved significantly and feedback from the user base supports the results. While we are still working on optimized versions of Cubase and Nuendo, the behavior running on the latest Cubase/Nuendo 12 and Windows 11 builds is mostly as expected.
In 2020 I bought an HP desktop with i7-10700 10th generation. I started learning mixing with Cubase 10 Pro. After some months I realize I was running out of resources very often so I opened a case with Steinberg. They found that Cubase was not spreading the tasks correctly to all the cores but 2 or 3 only. In the end I gave up and switched to Reaper. Never looked back.
It would be helpful to give some context as to what "performance" means in a professional context. For most students/beginners or even intermediate hobbyists this won't be an issue unless they're just piling up plugins. My students are already like "Does Intel suck?" and these are people who's parents WORK for the company....
I keep upgrading from cubase 10 and my hard drive is filling up. How do I uninstall my old cubase versions and should I do it or will I lose any software/plugins? This video gives tremendous value, absolutely fantastic thank you!
Thanks. Check out my videos on DAW building, most notably parts 2 and 3 for installing software and migrating Cubase. I typically leave at least the previous Cubase version installed and get rid of the older ones when I’m confident the new one works for all previous projects as well. You may also want to keep Cubase 8.5 installed as it is the last version that can still load projects with 32 bit plugins.
I want to buy a new machine, but this has made me re-evaluate everything ! Do you think I'm better using a powerful cpu with no e cores , or a higher rated cpu with p and e cores, and disabling the e cores ?
Frankly. I'm grateful that I don't have to make that decision now. I think I might be tempted to try a non Intel CPU for once. Or take the risk and try disabling the e-cores for just Cubase. But I've heard reports of mixed success with that.
I am still with my i7 fourth generation since ten years 😹, running Cubase 12 pro still without issues. It is a Toshiba Qosmio, upgraded to 32 GB RAM and two SSD drives.
@@wayahedia9989 well you try one of those DAW test projects to push it and see how far it goes. Best to know before you accidentally run into these problems later.
Is it still capable CPU? Benchmarks shows that 13900k/14900k are more than two times faster… PC. I was thinking to upgrade my 10850k but now I am not sure…
So... For the most part I have not had issues on my 12th gen with Cubase 12. But... Anytime I am dealing with Video in my project Cubase completely fails and I have to "end task" Its really unfortunate. I read that upgrading to windows 11 can help, but I didn't have lock with that, nor have I had luck with modifying the P & E cores. Hopefully they bring a fix soon, at the very least in v13
@@matthewscholle4149 it's been a hard issue to reproduce sometimes, happening for some but not for others. Are you saying you previously had a problem on Cubase 12 but no longer on Cubase 13?
I own Cubase 12.0.52... The fact that Steinberg can't recommend processors that have been out for quite a while now (Nov. 2021)... seems odd. But then again, it is Steinberg. This is my last version of Cubase. I will find another DAW. BTW, I am an AMD Threadripper user... but a bad company doesn't deserve my cash.
Wasn't aware of this issue, real bummer if it's affecting so many! I personally have the AMD 5950X, it's so powerful, I don't see any point in upgrading for another 5-6 years, no issues experienced with it as such, main issues relating to VST's, but there is no such thing as a perfect system.
Indeed there is always some fluke somewhere. I was also wondering how much this is really an issue in practical use. But some viewers seem to be affected.
Wow so this is what's going on. I just built a new system with a 10 th gen I 5 and I'm having issues. At first I thought it was a program cause audio only would just go dead. Or skip. I couldn't believe it was my new upgraded system. Wow. Ok I'll have to adjust or maybe go back to what ? But this is crazy. Cubase mixer is what keeps me with the program. But this has to be fixed.
Whatever works best for you of course. Cubase 13 apparently works better with these processors now. Steinberg has updated the technical article on their website.
@@LanewoodStudios Cool thanks for the update because I was not aware of it. I still and use Cubase for midi and vst work as it is unrivaled in that area, so I may have to upgrade to 13.
The more I read about this, the more I see only 12th Gen CPU's having the issue. Steinberg just did a global 'No 12th Gen or later", but I believe they are wrong about 13th Gen. The 24 core/32 thread i9-13900KF in Win 11 Pro has been flawless and several other MIDI composers I know that built 13th Gen are saying the same thing. Normally AMD is a way to go in this situation, but I would say not this time, the 13900 has a 20-25% faster single-core and FPU performance over the comparable 7950X, it's REALLY fast for Cubase. Steinberg had NO business bundling 13th Gen in with 12th in their hurried press release IMO. I ran Dom Sigales' stress test at 137 tracks to hit full 100% CPU just before audio breakup (no one else posted that high of a score) and all cores were equally being used. Then I ran only 50 tracks so the CPU would run at 50% and what I saw surprised me: The Thread Director in Win 11 did an amazing job of thread control, it started parking cores (threads) it didn't need, and 4 of 8 P cores got parked! And only a handful of my 16 E cores got parked, Cubase was using them in real time just fine, not All P, then "move to E". Plus the 8 hyperthreaded Cores off the P's were running equally in the performance monitor. If you have a 13th Gen on Win 11, I WOULD NOT DISABLE ANY E CORES, test your system first. This new rig is so bloody fast over my older 7940X 14-core, it's crazy. I did splurge for an RTX 3080 12GB, and my GOODNESS, you should see how Microsoft Flight Sim runs, lol.
at this stage, i haven't get any work-around . i tried so many ways even updating the drivers and the system bios but nothing works, Cubase 13 has compatibility issues with Ryzen CPU and GPU and lots of people who are using AMD cpu and gpu seems to have these problems of lots of freezing plugins not displaying correctly, lots of crash dumps and many more@@LanewoodStudios
Just built new DAW tower last month w/i9-13900KF (24-core... 8P + 16E), 128GB DDR5 RAM, Z790 and several PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives on Win 11 Pro and Cubase 12 Pro has had zero problems. I ran Dom Sigales' Cubase stress test and hit 147 tracks before the first dropout. My older i9-7940X 14-core hit 86 tracks, so I'm definitely getting great performance. Any chance Win 11 Pro handles this better than Home? And Steinberg is going to have to address this eventually, but so far the 13900KF seems to be fine. BTW, here's the link to the stress test vid: th-cam.com/video/3Zp05bpct3Y/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ScanProAudio
I demoed Cubase a few months ago really, really, wanting to buy into it. I passed. Why? Because here was the very company that created VST. Of all the DAWS I own and demoed, Cubase had the most problems recognizing of all things... VST's! Meanwhile Studio One (former Steinberg engineers) has never had a single issue with very VST's that Cubase wouldn't recognize. (And runs AU Mac plugins) I'm sorry, but a company like Steinberg that has been around since the 90's, should be king of the DAW by now. I waited over 1 week for assistance, ultimately deleting it. Good luck to you all.
Yeah ok sounds like a bad experience 😬. I heard Studio One is good, but been on Cubase since the 90’s and have it all running smooth for years now. Enjoy your new DAW 👍.
Nonsense. Former S1 user here, now back on Cubase 12 - and very happy! Cubase has now all the big features that S1 grown with. More inserts, effects on audio events, plugin pictures in browser, lower zone, bezier automation curves and muuuch more drag drop. Dont get it why people use S1. Cubase mix console is the best and most flexible, control room is great, I love multiple markers, can t live without cycle markers, render export ist so wonderful and flexible, effects and synth and drummy is on par with logic. S1 lags in all of this. and epecially with the bough of fender it feels no more good. Presonus is only copying features from other daws, mostly from Cubase. so why not use the original. Cubase is very stable and performance is same like S1 on my systems. PC i7, Mac Pro M1.
@@Byron101_ I’m not here to create a DAW war. Frankly, I’ve tried nearly all of them and I’m not impressed, nor a devout fanboy of any of them considering where we should be these days. However, I’m going to disagree with you on most of your points. To me, it sounds like you really didn’t dig into Studio One enough. (I’d suggest checking out Marcus Huysken if you wanted go really deep with it. youtube.com/@marcushuyskensmusic) “More inserts“? You can insert any FX you want onto any part of an audio event within SO. Just drag and highlight what part of the event you’re targeting and drop your plug-in onto the highlight. Done. Plug-in pictures? If you’re talking about the list, no, not available with the exception of PreSonus plug-in icons. But that doesn’t bother me. Within SO I have the ability to pre-save any arrangement of my preferred plug-ins. I simply drag it from my favorite list onto the channel and boom. Multiple plug-ins are there as I like it. An incredible timesaver. I create “Bezier” exponential curves all the time. There’s an entire list of shapes to choose from between any two points for your automation in SO. More drag, and drop? Everything in SO is drag and drop. Not only that, when you drag most things in SO, instant routing occurs between tracks and channels without having to “assign“ anything. Another time saver. SO mix console is perhaps the closest you’ll get to the real thing in the physical world. It’s precisely why I chose it. And… It has a feature that allows for real analog crosstalk between your channels. it’s actually a really exciting feature. Multiple markers? I can insert as many as I like. I’m not sure what you’re talking about here again. If you want to talk about rendering? Studio one will create MIDI patterns based on an audio event. And vice versa. It also has an explode feature which will take all the notes, say from a piano part and explode them onto separate tracks for instant orchestration. Studio One also has an entire mastering suite. There isn’t another DAW out there that offers this at the price point. It’s absolutely incredible that I can master an entire album for a cohesive experience. Not only that, anything you tweak within your project carries over instantly to the mastering suite. Nothing to go back and tweak between projects. It’s all done instantly. Anyway, there’s lots of differences between the two as far as features go. No question Studio One is lacking with multi channel support for Atmos. But that’s most likely coming. (SO updates and features arrive very fast compared to others ) As for Fender? I see it as a bonus. All that talk about dumbing it down has already happened. They simply created an option, which will simplify the screen for beginners. Which is a good idea in my opinion. Logic has something similar. Frankly, I think the best DAWS out there are MOTU and Reaper. MOTU s incredibly stable and a powerhouse when it comes to multiple channel support for Atmos. (10 channels) Danny Elfman has been using it for years as a composer. The problem with it for me is it’s unusual layout. I just don’t have time to wrap my head around it at the moment. Reaper? When a guy like Dan Worrall is telling you how good it is. We should probably listen. While I do have Reaper, I find its Windows 98 approach is just a little slow going with the workflow. But I’m hopeful one day they will improve that. The VST issue I had with Cubase was just one of a few things. I was floored with how fussy it was. I remember I couldn’t even get the metronome to work because the “main” button assigned to it needed to have… another button switched before that one would work. It was mind-boggling clumsy. And for my taste, the GUI is just awful. I feel like it’s marketed towards 90’s death metal teenagers. All that black, red and white along with that horrible skinny font literally hurt my eyes. I personally feel that Logic and Studio One are very clean for the eyes, which is important to me after working long hours on it. Believe me, when I tell you, I wanted to like Cubase, especially when guys like Hans Zimmerman endorse it. And I may reconsider it once again… If… They can at least get it to recognize all my VST’s. And maybe get on board with AU as well. Otherwise… Half my plug-ins that I purchased are useless.
Please suggest me to assemble a PC for my new recording Studio. If you share your email address then I will give you the details about studio and also requesting to make video about calibration regarding pro audio studio. Waiting for your Reply
I have a separate video about how to select components for a DAW PC. I wouldn’t select those exact components today but the method for selecting still applies. th-cam.com/video/mjO4aohfY6o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wn8C72me6HQwudP0
What do you guys think? Is is a problem in practice and have you ran into it already?
Update November 6th 2023: The Steinberg technical note now states that Cubase 13 supports hybrid architectures without limitations!!
I have Dell XPS 8950 desktop PC with Win 11 with Intel i9-12900K CPU, and I have experienced weird dropouts, not just in Cubase but even when playing TH-cam in Chrome. I still don't know where the problem is (Dell community have described same error but different causes) - so I have decided to buy Mac Studio M1 Max instead of that PC. Steinberg seems to have been very slow in customer support lately, I have opened two tickets because my Nuendo purchase - but still NO reply or anything from Steinberg, even after 4 weeks.
@@dokma_eu sorry to hear that. Hope the change will help 👍.
@@dokma_eu FYI I'm using a fairly recent (Oct 2022) Dell Optiplex 5000 with an Intel 12th Gen i7-12700 and 64gB ram. Had bad "dropout" issues every 15-20 mins that indicated as ugly CPU spikes on the Cubase cpu monitor. Cause turned out to be Dell's own "Vault, "Support," and "Techhub" services. Uninstalled as many as I could and disabled the rest in Win Services. Be advised that every 4-6 weeks they self re-enable. Dell sucks as a realtime platform.
@@CB-Music I have read about that possible solution on the Dell's Community website. I also have older (2016) Dell XPS desktop with less issues than the new one. At the end I believe I will get rid of it and acquire Mac Studio M1 Max which does not have such issues (has other issues but that's another thread). Thanks for letting me know and confirmation that Dell's services are to blame. I even thought of buying non-Dell motherboard and moving all components into it. Too bad I even bought that Dell XPS, because Mac Studio came out like a month after that. Dell's equipment is not as good as it was 10 years ago, now that I have experienced it I would not get another Dell even if it was for free!
Hi, I'm running Cubase 12 Pro on Windows 11 pro and i7-12700. Everything is running smootley . Haven't noticed any hickups. Even with heavy virtual instruments in the project. Nuendo also is running with no problems 🤷♂
"Cubase 13 supports hybrid CPU systems officially without any limitations!" - Steinberg update
Yes, just saw the update in the technical note of Steinberg. Great news!!
Thanks for the video-- hopefully it gets Steinberg's attention to fix ASAP-- I just built my new system w/ Intel i7-13700k/maxed out ram at 128GB on Win 11 (Cubase 12) and doing a simple export mixdown the other day (not very many tracks or plugins) I got a CPU overload error-- it did not complete the export-- I couldn't believe it-- I immediately started researching and found out about this exact problem-- already looking for other DAWS without this problem-- I've spent too much money on Cubase for years to be dealing with this garbage
That's very annoying with such a system. You can try one of the work arounds and see if that makes a difference. If not it might be something else.
Omg I think I’m going through this now. Please keep me updated on what u do.
Hi, wondering if you will you make another video once this issue has been addressed and resolved ?
Thanks
When I notice it has been solved I will surely report it somehow, and put it in the pinned comment of this video. Steinberg doesn't notify me personally about this though ;)
Huh? Proof that as a tech, and music professional I can also say you should never just leap blindly into the latest (_______) fill in the blank with cpu, OS, driver, bios, sw, etc. If it works now and delivers, dont't f__k with it. Part of the release to market is to get sales. Testing is not completely perfect, or it would take too long to get it out to customers and thus lose revenue. Thank you to Steinberg and Lanewood for reminding us of this and giving a little warning.
Yes, it’s also what I did when I built my new DAW. Didn’t go straight to the latest processor and motherboards. And when a new version of Cubase is released I tend to get it right away (because I’m interested), but keep using the older version for serious things until I’m more confident on the new release.
It’s not an issue, Steinberg is freaking out over nothing. My i9-13900KF is 8P, 16E and 8 hyper threaded and I’m running the latest Z790 and DDR5 ram and when I run a huge project, all cores run and I get zero dropouts. I know several other composers running 13th gen with NO issues.
@@PaulieDC ok thanks, and great that it works for you and many others. I did get a couple of reports in this post that had problems though. Are you running Windows 10 or 11?
You're coming to this a bit late! It's a real issue: I have had to disable all E-cores on my 12700K to get consistent performance in Cubase. This does not appear to happen with Reaper on the same system, but I load Cubase much harder.
However, blaming Steinberg alone for this is a little unfair, it is Intel's Thread Director that is not fully optimised for real-time operations, and Microsoft and Steinberg have no option but to use it. I do hope it is all sorted out soon, otherwise I'll build a 7xxx AMD DAW box instead and retire the 12700K for gaming.🙄
Yes I only recently heard about it. Sorry to hear that it is affecting your DAW. And indeed at the moment it is unclear in which software layer(s) this needs to be resolved. Good that the workaround is working for you but unfortunate of course that you cannot use the CPU as intended. You could try to only run Cubase without E-cores so that at least it doesn’t affect other applications.
@@LanewoodStudios Yes I tried that, but it did not work on my motherboard. Why? Dunno. Disabling the e-cores using the gaming setting in the BIOS works fine. The symptoms, btw, were very high usage of CPU when e-cores engaged. I am sure it will vary depending on what the user is doing. If it's mostly audio recording, it may not be an issue. I am a MIDI composer primarily, using many VI plugins, so it was an irritant for me. As this machine is a dedicated DAW I don't care about losing the e-cores in other applications. I have also purchased Vienna Ensemble and am planning on offloading a lot of VI plugins to a secondary 64GB machine upgraded to an AMD 5700X, left over from a Proxmox server 1700X. We'll see how that goes. On mixdown it's all less of an issue because I can increase the buffer size a lot...😄
@@jrgroberts ok, thanks for adding your experiences in real life with this. It might help others 👍. And hopefully it will get sorted for you at some point.
Thanks for this video. I seem to be running into this problem with a 13th gen i9 and Cubase 13. Turn hyperthreading etc in the bios and Cubase goes nuts. Even turning it off im getting some bad glitches
Perhaps report it to Steinberg and the Cubase forums because it should be ‘fixed’ in Cubase 13. Also try some of the workarounds to see if they make a difference.
@@LanewoodStudiosYes I'm working through all the suggestions. The main bios option that is affecting everything is "Intel Virtualisation Technology" must be turned off - Cubase is completely unusable if this is turned on. Yep planning on posting in the forum
@@nodemachine 👍
Thank you too for this enlightening video 👍
The YT algorithm suggested this video literally 1 hour before I was going to do perfomance tests on a new 12700 (Win11 & C12) today.
Initially I planned to go for a 12900, but 12700 seems to do the job as well, a noticeably improvement anyway coming from a 6-core intel.
I asked Greg Ondo almost 1 year ago in the Cubase hang outs if there were known issues with Alder Lake CPUs - he didn´t advise against it. Reason being why this case was closed for me and why I didn´t do further research when purchasing the new machine recently.
I can´t say yet if my system is going to run into performance problems - I am also a little bit relieved to see that some 12700--users on this page confirm that they have no problems.
But honestly, Alder Lake CPUs have been released Q4´21, and I presume that a vast majority of Cubase users are on Intel/Windows - how long will it take them (whether Intel or Steinberg) to fix this issue?
This is really disappointing...
You are welcome, even though I’m sure it’s not a very welcome surprise to you 😬. You don’t know whether it will actually impact you. If it was really a problem for everyone then I would imagine to have heard much more about it. Anyway, I hope your system is fine or that any of the workarounds are workable for you.
Hi,
I just purchased a new config with a Core I5 12500. If I'm not wrong this processor have only P Cores (6 ?). So I shouldn't have troubles using Cubase ?
Yes I think you're right. This processor only has p-cores so looking at what Steinberg said about the cause of the problem, this processor should not be affected.
So as of march 2024 if wanting to upgrade to new laptop what intel processor should I get ?
I have a later video about this in which Steinberg says it is fixed, so I would just buy one of the latest processors. th-cam.com/video/MBT_N08yAko/w-d-xo.html
How long do you think it will take Steinberg to solve this?
Not sure it is just Steinberg that needs to solve this.
I have an i9 12900k and it runs great in Cubase 12. I compared it to Studio One. Studio One uses 20% more CPU.
That seems to be working great for you, like for many other as well fortunately.
Bought a new 13900K 128GB RAM Win11 and C12 (coming from 5820K 32GB) and finally after disabling the E-Cores in BIOS it´s running smooth...had so many dropouts before. Hope they fix it soon.
Thanks for your input. It's so weird that other people with a similar configuration as yours do not seem to be impacted 🤔, but maybe you're stressing the system more than they do. Disabling the e-cores just for Cubase did not work?
I don't find any issue ruining Cubase 12 with Intel 12700 CPU.
That’s good news!
Thank you so much!!!
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Read on gearspace or vi-control that a overclocked 13900k was running flawless… can’t remember which site, but looked promising… I’m waiting to see how the new Xeon W-3400 or 2400 series performs; single-core, latency, all P-Core over clock headroom. The RAM expandability, pcie lanes, etc… look yummy.
Yes the reporting on this is a mixed bag with some people being affected by this problem and other not at all.
Hi. I have never heard anyone talk about this issue before. So i just bought a new computer. Running win11 and 13gen i7 prosessor, and 32gb ddr5 5600mhz ram. Cubase runs ok. But i notice that the asio guard is alot higher now than it was on my old i5 8gen prosessor, and 16 gb ddr4 ram. So something is off. Hope steinberg correct this soon.
It was published on the Steinberg site a while ago but I didn’t really hear about it in a very big way either. So was wondering if it was actually a problem in real life. Enjoy your new system, I’m sure it will be sorted at some point.
Per Steinberg: Update 2023-08-28: Recent tests indicated that the situation has improved significantly and feedback from the user base supports the results. While we are still working on optimized versions of Cubase and Nuendo, the behavior running on the latest Cubase/Nuendo 12 and Windows 11 builds is mostly as expected.
Interesting … where did you get that info?
It is on the same page you are referencing.@@LanewoodStudios
In 2020 I bought an HP desktop with i7-10700 10th generation. I started learning mixing with Cubase 10 Pro. After some months I realize I was running out of resources very often so I opened a case with Steinberg. They found that Cubase was not spreading the tasks correctly to all the cores but 2 or 3 only. In the end I gave up and switched to Reaper. Never looked back.
Ok thanks, and that's not even with the affected processors.
It would be helpful to give some context as to what "performance" means in a professional context. For most students/beginners or even intermediate hobbyists this won't be an issue unless they're just piling up plugins. My students are already like "Does Intel suck?" and these are people who's parents WORK for the company....
Yes by all means if anyone knows please do share. I’m not running one of those Intels myself so can’t tell from personal experience.
I keep upgrading from cubase 10 and my hard drive is filling up. How do I uninstall my old cubase versions and should I do it or will I lose any software/plugins? This video gives tremendous value, absolutely fantastic thank you!
Thanks. Check out my videos on DAW building, most notably parts 2 and 3 for installing software and migrating Cubase.
I typically leave at least the previous Cubase version installed and get rid of the older ones when I’m confident the new one works for all previous projects as well. You may also want to keep Cubase 8.5 installed as it is the last version that can still load projects with 32 bit plugins.
@@LanewoodStudios Thanks for your reply, helpful once again. I saw your previous videos too and again packed with value!!
@@KyriCB thanks and you’re welcome 😁.
I want to buy a new machine, but this has made me re-evaluate everything ! Do you think I'm better using a powerful cpu with no e cores , or a higher rated cpu with p and e cores, and disabling the e cores ?
Frankly. I'm grateful that I don't have to make that decision now. I think I might be tempted to try a non Intel CPU for once. Or take the risk and try disabling the e-cores for just Cubase. But I've heard reports of mixed success with that.
@@LanewoodStudios Yeah, feels like any decision I make will be a risky one.Thank you for taking the time to answer each and every comment
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I am still with my i7 fourth generation since ten years 😹, running Cubase 12 pro still without issues. It is a Toshiba Qosmio, upgraded to 32 GB RAM and two SSD drives.
Yeah I had an I7 for the longest time as well. When I started doing video for this TH-cam channel I had to upgrade.
Disable the e cores I did it runs cooler also and I don’t notice much of any difference in performance.
Ok, thanks for sharing your experiences with this!
Running Nuendo 12 on 19 13900K with zero issues. (13th Gen)
Good to hear!
@@LanewoodStudios yeah.. but now I'm worried! I haven't been pushing it very hard. It will likely break when I do.
@@wayahedia9989 well you try one of those DAW test projects to push it and see how far it goes. Best to know before you accidentally run into these problems later.
@@LanewoodStudios I'm hoping that , by the time I found out if this is a problem, they will have fixed it! :)
@@wayahedia9989 always a good strategy to wait a bit 😉.
I am so glad I did not upgrade my i9… I have 10th gen, and it’s perfect for cubase.
Me too!
Is it still capable CPU?
Benchmarks shows that 13900k/14900k are more than two times faster…
PC. I was thinking to upgrade my 10850k but now I am not sure…
What are exactly the symptoms of this issue. I read about dropouts. Can it also come to freezes or crashes? Does anyone know?
Good question. In the technical note they are talking about dropouts and performance issues.
In my case, i am having clipping and dropouts in recordings
Annoying! The workarounds don’t help?
So... For the most part I have not had issues on my 12th gen with Cubase 12. But... Anytime I am dealing with Video in my project Cubase completely fails and I have to "end task" Its really unfortunate. I read that upgrading to windows 11 can help, but I didn't have lock with that, nor have I had luck with modifying the P & E cores. Hopefully they bring a fix soon, at the very least in v13
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@@LanewoodStudios v13 is working on video play back with the gen 12 Intel processor. Awesome!
@@matthewscholle4149 it's been a hard issue to reproduce sometimes, happening for some but not for others. Are you saying you previously had a problem on Cubase 12 but no longer on Cubase 13?
@@LanewoodStudios correct. Installed 13 yesterday and no longer have the issue with video. And it's running really smoothly
I own Cubase 12.0.52... The fact that Steinberg can't recommend processors that have been out for quite a while now (Nov. 2021)... seems odd. But then again, it is Steinberg. This is my last version of Cubase. I will find another DAW. BTW, I am an AMD Threadripper user... but a bad company doesn't deserve my cash.
To me it sound that Steinberg could have fixed this in version 12 but is now waiting to have us all upgrade to version 13.
We’ll see whether that is the case if they have made a fix in C13.
Wasn't aware of this issue, real bummer if it's affecting so many! I personally have the AMD 5950X, it's so powerful, I don't see any point in upgrading for another 5-6 years, no issues experienced with it as such, main issues relating to VST's, but there is no such thing as a perfect system.
Indeed there is always some fluke somewhere. I was also wondering how much this is really an issue in practical use. But some viewers seem to be affected.
Good video by the way.
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Just keep your Cubase Maximized. Don't maximize any other window. It is a sickness of the new architecture. The CPU's still offer much performance.
It was news to me, and to other as well it seems 😀
Wow so this is what's going on. I just built a new system with a 10 th gen I 5 and I'm having issues. At first I thought it was a program cause audio only would just go dead. Or skip. I couldn't believe it was my new upgraded system. Wow. Ok I'll have to adjust or maybe go back to what ? But this is crazy. Cubase mixer is what keeps me with the program. But this has to be fixed.
Sorry to hear you're having these problems. make sure that you've excluded all other possible causes because it might be easier to fix.
@@LanewoodStudios I will but I built this system to not have problems. It has plenty of power and memory.
I run i7 12700 with no issues at all 32 gb ram
Excellent! Are you on Windows 10 or 11?
@@LanewoodStudios win 11 running c12 also HALion 7
I ran into this issue with Cubase and that made me switch to Pro Tools after using it for over a decade.
Whatever works best for you of course. Cubase 13 apparently works better with these processors now. Steinberg has updated the technical article on their website.
@@LanewoodStudios Cool thanks for the update because I was not aware of it. I still and use Cubase for midi and vst work as it is unrivaled in that area, so I may have to upgrade to 13.
@PurpleMusicProductions 👍
I built an i9 12900k system last April. I've had all sorts of audio glitches with this build, and it's not just with Cubase.
Saw your comment on Facebook as well. Hope it gets resolved for you.
Running on M1, it’s fine and fun.
Yes it seems it is just with Intel 12th and 13th gen at the moment.
.. and M1 also has hybrid architecture (P-cores are e-cores)
@@_krazy_kenny if that is the case then maybe the management of those cores is different on the M1 CPUs.
Ryzen 5700x up 4500mhz all cores - mixing no problem !
Excellent!
The more I read about this, the more I see only 12th Gen CPU's having the issue. Steinberg just did a global 'No 12th Gen or later", but I believe they are wrong about 13th Gen. The 24 core/32 thread i9-13900KF in Win 11 Pro has been flawless and several other MIDI composers I know that built 13th Gen are saying the same thing. Normally AMD is a way to go in this situation, but I would say not this time, the 13900 has a 20-25% faster single-core and FPU performance over the comparable 7950X, it's REALLY fast for Cubase. Steinberg had NO business bundling 13th Gen in with 12th in their hurried press release IMO. I ran Dom Sigales' stress test at 137 tracks to hit full 100% CPU just before audio breakup (no one else posted that high of a score) and all cores were equally being used. Then I ran only 50 tracks so the CPU would run at 50% and what I saw surprised me: The Thread Director in Win 11 did an amazing job of thread control, it started parking cores (threads) it didn't need, and 4 of 8 P cores got parked! And only a handful of my 16 E cores got parked, Cubase was using them in real time just fine, not All P, then "move to E". Plus the 8 hyperthreaded Cores off the P's were running equally in the performance monitor.
If you have a 13th Gen on Win 11, I WOULD NOT DISABLE ANY E CORES, test your system first. This new rig is so bloody fast over my older 7940X 14-core, it's crazy. I did splurge for an RTX 3080 12GB, and my GOODNESS, you should see how Microsoft Flight Sim runs, lol.
Sounds like an amazing system 😋😁😎.
13900KF consume the DOUBLE of the power in order to even compete with the 7950X, it's ludicrous. I like my DAW cool and quiet. AMD all the way!
That why I still use Cubase 8.5 😊
Upgrading just creates more headache when all you want to do is just make music
i9 pc works well for me 👌
It’s not related to your Cubase version I think? Are you on 12th or 13th gen i9?
cubase 13 incompatible with AMD Ryzen 5
Interesting, what do you notice and is there are work-around for you?
at this stage, i haven't get any work-around . i tried so many ways even updating the drivers and the system bios but nothing works, Cubase 13 has compatibility issues with Ryzen CPU and GPU and lots of people who are using AMD cpu and gpu seems to have these problems of lots of freezing plugins not displaying correctly, lots of crash dumps and many more@@LanewoodStudios
....thats bad news..thats why im going back to logic x...🙁
No problems on Mac anyway.
@@LanewoodStudios ..oh thats good news😀
@@LanewoodStudios mac cpu using amd processor like. They dont use E cores
@@huancuc1492 yes that’s a workaround.
Just built new DAW tower last month w/i9-13900KF (24-core... 8P + 16E), 128GB DDR5 RAM, Z790 and several PCIe 4.0 NVMe drives on Win 11 Pro and Cubase 12 Pro has had zero problems. I ran Dom Sigales' Cubase stress test and hit 147 tracks before the first dropout. My older i9-7940X 14-core hit 86 tracks, so I'm definitely getting great performance. Any chance Win 11 Pro handles this better than Home?
And Steinberg is going to have to address this eventually, but so far the 13900KF seems to be fine. BTW, here's the link to the stress test vid: th-cam.com/video/3Zp05bpct3Y/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=ScanProAudio
Thanks for sharing your experiences, and yes I've used that test myself as well.
I demoed Cubase a few months ago really, really, wanting to buy into it. I passed. Why? Because here was the very company that created VST. Of all the DAWS I own and demoed, Cubase had the most problems recognizing of all things... VST's! Meanwhile Studio One (former Steinberg engineers) has never had a single issue with very VST's that Cubase wouldn't recognize. (And runs AU Mac plugins) I'm sorry, but a company like Steinberg that has been around since the 90's, should be king of the DAW by now. I waited over 1 week for assistance, ultimately deleting it. Good luck to you all.
Yeah ok sounds like a bad experience 😬. I heard Studio One is good, but been on Cubase since the 90’s and have it all running smooth for years now. Enjoy your new DAW 👍.
Nonsense. Former S1 user here, now back on Cubase 12 - and very happy!
Cubase has now all the big features that S1 grown with. More inserts, effects on audio events, plugin pictures in browser, lower zone, bezier automation curves and muuuch more drag drop. Dont get it why people use S1. Cubase mix console is the best and most flexible, control room is great, I love multiple markers, can t live without cycle markers, render export ist so wonderful and flexible, effects and synth and drummy is on par with logic. S1 lags in all of this. and epecially with the bough of fender it feels no more good. Presonus is only copying features from other daws, mostly from Cubase. so why not use the original.
Cubase is very stable and performance is same like S1 on my systems. PC i7, Mac Pro M1.
@@Byron101_ I’m not here to create a DAW war. Frankly, I’ve tried nearly all of them and I’m not impressed, nor a devout fanboy of any of them considering where we should be these days.
However, I’m going to disagree with you on most of your points. To me, it sounds like you really didn’t dig into Studio One enough.
(I’d suggest checking out Marcus Huysken if you wanted go really deep with it. youtube.com/@marcushuyskensmusic)
“More inserts“? You can insert any FX you want onto any part of an audio event within SO. Just drag and highlight what part of the event you’re targeting and drop your plug-in onto the highlight. Done.
Plug-in pictures? If you’re talking about the list, no, not available with the exception of PreSonus plug-in icons. But that doesn’t bother me. Within SO I have the ability to pre-save any arrangement of my preferred plug-ins. I simply drag it from my favorite list onto the channel and boom. Multiple plug-ins are there as I like it. An incredible timesaver.
I create “Bezier” exponential curves all the time. There’s an entire list of shapes to choose from between any two points for your automation in SO.
More drag, and drop? Everything in SO is drag and drop. Not only that, when you drag most things in SO, instant routing occurs between tracks and channels without having to “assign“ anything. Another time saver.
SO mix console is perhaps the closest you’ll get to the real thing in the physical world. It’s precisely why I chose it. And… It has a feature that allows for real analog crosstalk between your channels. it’s actually a really exciting feature.
Multiple markers? I can insert as many as I like. I’m not sure what you’re talking about here again.
If you want to talk about rendering? Studio one will create MIDI patterns based on an audio event. And vice versa. It also has an explode feature which will take all the notes, say from a piano part and explode them onto separate tracks for instant orchestration.
Studio One also has an entire mastering suite. There isn’t another DAW out there that offers this at the price point. It’s absolutely incredible that I can master an entire album for a cohesive experience. Not only that, anything you tweak within your project carries over instantly to the mastering suite. Nothing to go back and tweak between projects. It’s all done instantly.
Anyway, there’s lots of differences between the two as far as features go. No question Studio One is lacking with multi channel support for Atmos. But that’s most likely coming. (SO updates and features arrive very fast compared to others )
As for Fender? I see it as a bonus. All that talk about dumbing it down has already happened. They simply created an option, which will simplify the screen for beginners. Which is a good idea in my opinion. Logic has something similar.
Frankly, I think the best DAWS out there are MOTU and Reaper.
MOTU s incredibly stable and a powerhouse when it comes to multiple channel support for Atmos. (10 channels) Danny Elfman has been using it for years as a composer. The problem with it for me is it’s unusual layout. I just don’t have time to wrap my head around it at the moment. Reaper? When a guy like Dan Worrall is telling you how good it is. We should probably listen.
While I do have Reaper, I find its Windows 98 approach is just a little slow going with the workflow. But I’m hopeful one day they will improve that.
The VST issue I had with Cubase was just one of a few things. I was floored with how fussy it was. I remember I couldn’t even get the metronome to work because the “main” button assigned to it needed to have… another button switched before that one would work. It was mind-boggling clumsy.
And for my taste, the GUI is just awful. I feel like it’s marketed towards 90’s death metal teenagers. All that black, red and white along with that horrible skinny font literally hurt my eyes. I personally feel that Logic and Studio One are very clean for the eyes, which is important to me after working long hours on it.
Believe me, when I tell you, I wanted to like Cubase, especially when guys like Hans Zimmerman endorse it. And I may reconsider it once again… If… They can at least get it to recognize all my VST’s. And maybe get on board with AU as well. Otherwise… Half my plug-ins that I purchased are useless.
lol, anyone want to make me a great offer on my 10940x? I'll sell it for triple the retail price to a cubase user.
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@@LanewoodStudios It overclocks to just under 5Ghz all core..... I know your tempted...
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Hummm… cumbersome!
Yes it’s a bit of a hassle for now if you’re impacted by this.
Please suggest me to assemble a PC for my new recording Studio. If you share your email address then I will give you the details about studio and also requesting to make video about calibration regarding pro audio studio. Waiting for your Reply
I have a separate video about how to select components for a DAW PC. I wouldn’t select those exact components today but the method for selecting still applies. th-cam.com/video/mjO4aohfY6o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wn8C72me6HQwudP0