Hi Tech Notice I have an Rtx3060 I7 10750 125W CPU Acer Predator Hellios 300 315 53 71HN anyway my question to you is there a laptop version of the CPU I9 12900HK something unlocked my reason for wanting to update this is I want my machine to be able to keep up with Macbook pro M1 pro so that is my reason I want to bring it on the same level plus I intend to do some overclocking Add more memory a wifi 6e card and add Two new M2 anyway I need the HK is there a laptop version because I have seen them in MSI I hardly doubt it is a desktop version!.
Same tbh, also makes it simple when building a whole new system, gpu isn't posting/needs software. We'll the cpu igpu should work enough to diagnose the issue.
1:00 dont go with f variant 2:00 dont go with f variant 3:00 dont go with f variant 4:00 dont go with f variant 5:00 dont go with f variant 6:00 dont go with f variant 7:00 dont go with f variant 8:00 dont go with f variant
@@madphotography6119 13th and 14th gen intel cpus are instable at the moment, you need to wait until intel fixes it or get amd or 12th gen, the i9-12900ks is pretty good
I wish Ryzen had something similar. Btw I bought another 32GB of RAM as you recommended, and I'm glad I did. Thanks! (you might remember me from your stream)
Ryzen does have igpus on few CPUs. For example the 2400G, 3400G and the new 5700G with 8 cores and 16 threads. And can play any game. The newer ones on lower settings obviously.
The worst mistake you'll make is getting the F version and NOT having a dedicated GPU, meaning you won't be able to use your PC at all. I often play games and use Photoshop occasionally but almost never work on videos, so I wouldn't be averse to getting the KF variant to save some money. That said, having onboard graphics is good for troubleshooting a faulty GPU though, and if ever it conks out at least you'll still be able to use your computer while waiting for a replacement.
Slap a dirt cheap gpu into it if one is having issues with it. I don't recommend paying a 100 dollars more for the K version. That's idiotic and also paranoia. I've had my Ryzen 7 3700x for two years and I have never once had issues with it not having integrated graphics. I have a bunch of spare gpus. I guess that makes me weird?
@@josephwilson8391 same. I have 9900kf and no issues at all having no onboard. Just pre order 13700kf to replace it. I'm happy and continue to be happy. Mainly gaming and occasionally streaming.
12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? I'm not afraid of faulty GPU because I will buy a brand new one. Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
@@stevenross-watt8640 does having the F variant effect live streaming performance at all? Will it slow my game FPS down in any way? I live stream sim racing and I'm trying to understand if this will slow down my fps or live stream.
@@tembotokOk if i have gt 730 ddr3 2gb, and i3 12100 with uhd 730... Do i still need gt 730? Because it was garbage. I cant even use premiere pro cs6 or figma design for hours without getting blue screen
Thank you so much. You made choosing between different variants of the 12th Gen i7 CPUs far much easier. I had been looking at KF version since it's a little cheaper and I am too narrow on budget.
12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
@@Judaea98 I don't care too much about gaming, mostly video editing, adobe apps, I need powerful enough PC for my work, and casual gaming, but definitely not a priority.
You spent the entire video speaking about the Intel IGPU and non-IGPU variants, what was the point of placing the AMD RYZEN CPU boxes so prominently in the camera view?
Just saw this video but I already built my PC. Luckily I saw a Reddit comment about the meaning of the different letter "suffixes" on Intel CPUs while I was looking at PC parts. There's really a need for more information on this topic. Thanks for making this video!
I always read that on desktops the iGPU automatically gets disabled when a dedicated GPU is plugged in. And that Arc would be different, in that Arc _will_ make use of the Intel iGPU. Confusing...
@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't create driver conflicts. You can run the iGPU concurrently with the dGPU, though i can't really figure out a good use for that. For example, you can run one monitor off the iGPU and another off the dGPU, but then dGPUs support multiple monitors to begin with. For example I still use an old Aorus Xtreme 1080 Ti and it has an obscene number of video ports (3 DP, 2 HDMI, 1 DVI-D and 1 internal HDMI).
@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't. I have 2 dGPU's from different vendors (nvidia, amd) installed simultaneously along with an enabled Intel iGPU in my desktop machince. The OS can handle all 3 graphics drivers and everything is working fine.
It's not actually advised to use the iGPU media engine for stream encoding with OBS in gaming, because you incur bus contention. It's advised to keep everything within the single GPU, capture, compositing and encoding. The encoder is actually dedicated silicon and it doesn't have a performance impact. Capture and compositing do have a performance impact, but trying to capture across different GPUs is even worse, plus it's an absolute torture to get working. iGPU encoding is easy to set up but bad when system bus is already under heavy load.
as a gamer i bought the 12400f also its better for power consumption but i got ur point...however i think there are more gamers than photographers^^so the f variant in a budget gaming build is and will be the way to go i think^^
Where I live, 12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
I want to make something very clear. I have a i7 12700k, for rendering and for recording the integrated graphics are dog water, even for 1080p it has a noticeable blur a way better gpu is the gtx 1660 which has a great encoder. The only reason i got the K and not the KF was bc if my gpu dies I have one in the cpu where i can see output.
@@TheGameBest7 you shouldn't be because that's not the reason to get an iGPU either because they're ass? Especially Intel iGPUs you can either get a card for five dollars that's good enough to run diagnostics or browse the internet until your new one comes in or spend the money you'd save with an F CPU and get better performance than you would with an iGPU either way the iGPU loses
I'm a 3D artist, and honestly picked the F variant. I was formerly on a Ryzen 5 without internal graphics either, so I don't really see a loss if I lose the iGPU. An iGPU won't help Blender renders, or even my dedicated GPU, CPU is best for Cycles for me.
@@theTechNotice I mean, I'm assuming this is a copy paste, because Video Rendering and 3D Ray Tracing are completely different beasts. Intel QuickSync and the internal iGPU once again... pretty useless. Actually been meaning to pick up a RTX card, as CyclesX can use that lol
If you're going to be using a dedicated GPU, then don't even bother with the upgrade imo. A dedicated GPU and integrated GPU will not work together on the same task, so there's literally no point. Pretty much anyone with a dedicated GPU in the creator scene will have a high end GPU, and the iGPU will not come close to the kind of power the dGPU has. The only benefit from using the iGPU is having an extra display port when needed, and when you're going to troubleshoot something without a dedicated GPU.
This... I find this video very non sense for video creation. Even if the encoder maybe better, most people edit in raw or log anyways. So those encoder is still useless. I still have a non f just in case anything goes wrong.
Tired of seeing clowns telling people to get the iGPU, you can literally buy an older gpu like the GTX 680 for almost the same price, which will completely destroy the shitty iGPU, also I'd highly doubt anyone would notice the extra 10%-20% performance from using Quick Sync in Video Rendering, F series processors offer the best value for money, this is the first and last video I'll watch from you, stop spreading misinformation!
@@theTechNotice I cannot find anything to substantiate that claim but iGPUs especially Intel ones aren't particularly great at anything and the dGPU is supposed to do that work whilst the CPU handles everything else I've looked through tons of posts and articles tried different search terms and no you're wrong, ofc I already knew this but I gave you the benefit of the doubt lol
@griefy4555 Ok if i have gt 730 ddr3 2gb, and i3 12100 with uhd 730... Do i still need gt 730? Because it was garbage. I cant even use premiere pro cs6 or figma design for hours without getting blue screen, and the driver is outdated
yeah but if you have the RTX3090 the i-GPU doesn't make since to have right? I use devinci resolve, adobe photoshop and after effects, TechSmith Camtasia, plus I also produce music with Presonus Studio One 5 that uses a lot of visual; aspects.
I get this question a lot, but the answer is YES, it still makes sense, since the iGPU and rtx 3090 can work together! And the UHD 770 can encode more codecs than the NVENC inside the RTX3090.
I think gamers should still get the k version instead of kf because it’s really helpful in troubleshooting graphics card problems. If you don’t have igpu you’ve got to source another gpu to confirm the problems are actually the gpu and not something else
No, they really shouldn't you don't need a fancy GPU for a display output you can save a lot of money just by buying an old GPU for like pennies and save a lot of money especially if you upgrade as often as I do, you'd be flushing away money for an issue that isn't likely to happen for legit no reason
Not really a good advice. If you are planning to add a dedicated GPU, the iGPU is mostly useless. Intel's QuickSync performs nearly identical to Nvidia's NEVNC when encoding in video editing software. For streaming, the benefits of offloading the encoding to your iGPU are negated by the latency of copying the frames from the GPU to your iGPU. You actually get more performance encoding directly on your dedicated GPU since NVENC encoding is done directly on the GPU die and it only needs to send back encoded frames.
Ok if i have gt 730 ddr3 2gb, and i3 12100 with uhd 730... Do i still need gt 730? Because it was garbage. I cant even use premiere pro cs6 or figma design for hours without getting blue screen
I got the 12900k, but I don't know if I have my prefrences in premiere pro configured properly to use the igpu. Could you do a premiere pro 2022 guide for 12th gen cpus. Cheers - J
I used the same criteria for narrowing down my search for i7 CPUs, I got down to two gen 12s and only one gen 13. It'd be crazy not to get a CPU with built in GPU capabilities. I don't know what people do if their graphics card fails. They won't be able to do anything with their computer, not even do some diagnostics to see if it is just their graphics card that's faulty. I wish it were so easy to search through motherboards.
You pop in another graphics card if it fails. If you're someone, like me, who has several older GPUs sitting around, getting non-F version is a complete waste of money. I was able to get a KF version of a 12700 for $50 less on sale.
Yeah, but what about 4th generation 4790K processors? I'm not sure hokey Magix Movie Studio 16 would use both the GPU and CPU GPU... I've never heard any mention of it ever. Can't stand Davinchi Resolve. I use 1080p h.264 not h.265 or 2.7k or 4.k. 1080p is overkill even for mobile phones. I think it's funny these guys think TH-cam Content Creators are using the latest and greatest hardware. In 13 years and 500 videos later, I ahve yet to make one cent on this platform... so yeah... the upgrade I'm looking at is from an FX-8350 to a 4790K system I just bought. Should I move all my work over, or not. :-/ The CPU is only 33% faster itself. Moving from one machien to another is a huge PITA.
A warm THANK to you for your advice and cavation to not choose the "F"-version! Wishing you all the best, and stay blessed and healthy! Best regards from Sweden!
Not TRUE I bought i5 13600k just cause it have igbu Although iam not going to overclocking speed Now i turn off igbu cause preimere uses it more than nividea gbu and it make playback so laggy After i turned off my playback work better
Don"t listen to this dude. Buy a proper graphic processor and save money with a KF. There is no way you will be happy rendering scenes with your integrated gpu.
I disagree with your assessment, iGPU is important, if your dedicated graphics card goes down, at least you have a backup to tide you while your card goes on a warranty replacement. Never underestimate how important an iGPU is when you need to use your pc for daily normal usage.
@@leafbelly What happens if that extra GPU has weird unspecified crashing problems? I would say it's still best to have an iGPU as a fallback plan. Sure you pay a few dollars more. I would take that deal.
I'm glad I found your channel. I started editing my very first video using a 10 year old laptop and it's a pain. Time to upgrade and build my very first pc. Thanks for the advice!
I like that he concentrates on creation-machines, not gaming-machines. I got 64GB RAM mostly due to his advice, and my 5950X. I run my machine 24/7 full-steam and have had no issues.
For what did u settle? I think an i9 is just TOO much power and too expensive, also as the best i7. I maybe go for a i5. I do video editing too (music videos) and have a RX 570 8GB from sapphire.
I bought intel i5 1240p and its processor speed is 1.7Ghz…any help please😢😢…it has an additional Nvidia Rtx 2050..then also its soo lagg and slow bro please sort it out whats the matter…while working in 16threads~1.7ghz 15threads~2.1Ghz…its maximum speed is 2.1Ghz …but actual clock speed of 12th gen i5 is 3.3-4.4Ghz😢
If you have a GPU, your GPU does everything the Integrated Graphics would do. Therefore, your IGPU sits unused, and adds no performance at all. In that case, the non-F variant is only useful for an emergency backup in case you are ever without a graphics card. Now, is it worth that slight discount to not have an emergency backup? Maybe not. But F models aren't some boogeyman to be afraid of.
Well said! This is why I bought the i5 12500 too. I don't have a GPU yet, I planned on getting an Intel Arc A750 but we see how that went. Now I'm stalking Best Buy for a 3060ti founders at msrp
If you have a graphics card (which most content creators have), then save some money and go with the "F" version. There is no performance difference between the 2, the only difference is the "F" version does not have a GPU built in. Why would you use encoders on the CPU if you have a dedicated graphics card?? Lol thats pointless, just taking more resources from the CPU.
My friend, you are misinformed. The igpu can work together with your dGPU. The UHD770 has better encoders than on the rtx 3090. And the difference is HUGE! For example NVENC does not currently offer support for h.265 10 bit 4.2.2, yet UHD770 does. ;)
@@theTechNotice deleting my comment? Lol that link I posted compares over 500 12700f vs 12700 user CPU benchmarks against each other..... Showing no difference
I never delete comments, posting links on TH-cam comments triggers them automatically and they go under the 'review' section and not public. :) But on the 12700 vs 12700F benchmarks was the iGPU turned on in BIOS when benchmarking the CPUs? Coz I can see a huge difference in my benchmarks in video editing especially timeline performance. :)
having igpu might be useful in the future where you repurpose the CPU for other workload type. for example, my old gaming rig is now running my nas server. with igpu inside, i don't need to install any dedicated cards occupying precious pci-e slots. furthermore, should you decide to sell it in the future, you can appeal to more potential market
What about for someone like me who is using Hackintosh who only plays World of Warcraft on Mac, the iGPU straight up isn't supported and doesn't work on mac.
Which is better to go with in terms of CPU and not integrated graphics, the i7-12700 or 5700g? I'm looking into a computer that would support programs such as Visual Studio (not Code) and Unity for context. What would be the pros and cons of both processors?
What did you go with as cant decide either, I just wished 5700g supported m.2 4.0 PCIe which is twice as fast as 3.0 then for sure I would go with the AMD.
Regardless of what generation, you should always check to see if the CPU includes processor graphics! Intel has been doing this since about the Intel Core 2000-series CPUs which some (such as the K and X models) didn't have integrated graphics.
I bought my first pc with an 12 gen F chip. I didn't know what the F meant. I had to swap it out. I don't understand the point of an F chip. Just pay the little bit extra.
Exactly! I'd never buy a CPU without integrated graphics and it's now paying off as I've had to RMA my 2070 super due to display issues... Yea ok gaming isn't that great on the uhd770 with a 12600k especially when Forza horizon 4 only achieves a whopping 27fps on low settings and rdr2 in 720p with the same FPS 🤣 but still I'm able to play games to keep me busy untill my GPU comes back
Same. Gaming might not be great on integrated graphics but the first time you need a display output to troubleshoot a GPU or have to RMA/replace it you'll be glad enough to have it that the extra $20 or $30 probably won't cross your mind.
@@generic_account_name Unless you know that five dollars will get you the same thing aka another GPU you really don't need an iGPU if an old GPU for cheaper and will perform better
Very interesting about the point you are making. My question is if you rather use igpu, don’t you have to go back into bios to change the discreet gpu setting? Aren’t they mutually exclusive? Plus not to mention having to switch the dsp plug?
Having a integrated graphics is good if you aren't buying a expensive gpu soon, or if your actual gpu dies for no reason. With the K series you have no video at all without a gpu. A gpu can fail, and probably will do someday.
@@MGOFor3ver For the same price difference you can get a decent discrete graphics card tho and you can use it even after you upgrade your CPU potentially saving you quite a bit of money especially if you upgrade somewhat frequently
What does KF stand for Intel? unlocked Intel CPU nomenclature designates “K” as an unlocked processor that supports overclocking. Intel Processors with “F” in the product name denote NO SUPPORT for processor graphics. A “KF” designation means the processor is unlocked and does NOT support processor graphics.
On Jan 4th 2022 I got the Intel 12th gen i9-12900K & ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WiFi D4 mainboard For my first build. That board has Display Port & HDMI out. I knew about F, K & KF. I made sure to get the K even though I have a dedicated GPU. In my situation, it was because what if my GPU fails & I need something to get by. And I know it helps in performance.
I'm upgrading from Ryzen 1600. Bought the 12700K because the price on GC is still crazy. We will see how the integrated graphics hold up to some 3d modeling tasks in Fusion 360, Blender, 3ds Max and Revit.
Dude I’m using 1700x and 1080 for 4K editing and don’t seem to need an upgrade at all. 64gb ram at 3200 I’m in the 98th percentile on user bench mark. 95% across the board. Upgrading would be an ego move. Gtav run at 65 steady at max graphics
@@JaiJai177 editing/gaming and 3d designing are different 3d modeling needs a good cpu even though it needs a good graphic card when rendering ....gaming needs a better gpu overall ...
Thank you SO MUCH for informing us beginners.. I just recently picked up the dreaded 'F' chip. As an artist and creator I wanted a fast I9- not knowing F was any different and only saving $40. I was casually watching this video while working and jumped up to do the fastest return request I've ever made. Thank you for saving my build!!! Right one coming in same day thanks to Amazon.
The iGPU isn't very good though you're better off using that 40 dollars towards a better card and sorry man but this guy definitely sold you some bad info nobody uses the iGPU for anything especially if they have an i9, people that buy the i9 tend to at least have an RTX 3080 in their system that completely shits on any iGPU currently in the market
What about the mobile 12th-gen processors? I notice that, for example, the mobile Intel Core i7 12650H seemingly has a better i-gpu than does the desktop Core i7 12600K (Intel Iris Xe Graphics (64EU) vs. the Intel UHD Graphics 770), but does this necessarily mean that it also has effective encoders/decoders for work with the 10 bit 422 - h.264 and h.265 files? Thanks!
This is the best information that you had given for many of people.... this facts to know the selection of Processors...... Thanks a lot... I was searching this information since a year....
My experience with Gen 10 CPUs agree with your results, though the improvement is not that large. PS: Your "product placement" was, shall we say, was totally obvious. ;)
What is your opinion of how well the a750 or A770 work together with intel integrated unit for video editing. Intel makes some special claims about the combo. But does it really help?
I've been Intel all my life over 30 years of building PCs, I just bought my first AMD, a Ryzen 9 5950x and I couldn't be happier as a creator who works with BRAW it's an amazing chip. Intel has pooped the bed.
Will an i5 12400 CPU with its integrated graphics work for Photoshop edits and 15 second videos in Premiere? Or should I buy the 12600k? Please help me with this
You might want to rethink using a graphics card in PS or LR software, particularly for rendering changed images processing third party denoise or sharpening application inside and for these Adobe products. Without the graphics card and relying on the internal CPU graphics engine can be fruital with wait times 10 -15 time longer for specific rendering. Anyone working in video will have a PC workstation with a good video card. The bottom line for most PC users in all forms of imaging MUST use a good graphics card-most medium to high hend PCs and laptops use a graphics card for support.
Indeed. Although when I've benchmarked PCs with iGPU vs dGPU, I've seen no performance difference in LRC and PS. have a look at this video: th-cam.com/video/w3bB7GrZqnQ/w-d-xo.html
This was incredibly useful for me. I do an extensive amount of Lightroom/Photoshop & had no idea about the variant issues. Thanks for the information, as I'll know what to look for in my next workstation.
I actually got a 12700k when I'm only planning on using my PC for gaming and some fairly basic office work tasks . In these current times of GPU shortages and inflated prices, it seemed fairly sensible for the relatively small price difference. If my 30 series GPU has to go for repair or I want to sell it for a future upgrade, this way I still have a working PC. I've heard some terrible tales of delays with RMAs due to supply issues. An entirely unusable PC whilst waiting is something I'll pay to avoid.
Be careful when purchasing a custom spec'd PC on builder sites. I ordered a 10900K but actually got the 10900KF. I didn't receive my PC for 3 months due to Origin waiting on restocks for the case and GPUs (late 2020). Wish I knew the differences so I could of have them fixed it.
You're gaining exactly 0 when it comes to CPU processing power, F-CPUs are even a bit more powerful. So if you got a decent graphics card you don't need a non-F CPU AT ALL cause the internal GPU is disabled anyway.
I have intel i5 12600k which has uhd 770 i gpu enabled in the bios and I can see it in the task manager, but it does nothing is staying at 0% all the time. Not in premiere 2020 not in any program. I have also the latest vga drivers suggested by the motherboard gigabyte manufacturer. NO way to unable the i gpu to take some load. I have window 10. The main gpu is nvdia rtx 3060. What do you think?
Great points regarding the F delimiter. I bought a i9 9900kf based upon reviews that I would not see a benefit of the K chip because of my 2070 Super. I will not make this mistake moving up to the I7 12700k. Thanks
So what you going to do when your 2070 super fails on you? because I can honestly tell you I got a 12600k paired with a gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc and I've currently had to RMA the GPU due to issues so paying a tiny bit extra for the K variant is well worth it and is an absolute life saver, as the IGPU plays alot of AAA games like RDR2, GTA5, aswell as FH4/5, Forza Motorsport 7 , COD, CSGO and tomb raider. As well as it responds extremely well once overclocked offering upto 60% more performance. So upgrading to a k variant 12700k (depending on what resolution you play) is well worth the upgrade. Not only that I came from a 9600k and the performance difference compared to a 12600k is phenomenal.
@@welshman2011 guess that comes down to bad luck and redundancy.. I have the same card and it's been rock solid so it's not been an issue for me. but I guess if it died I'd be pretty pissed
@@emissarygw2264 If it ever died, you could pick up a used low grade graphics card equivalent to the IGPU for like $40 on FB marketplace. Even in today's market.
@@welshman2011 Are you huffing glue? K variants only offer a 5% performance boost over non K, don't know where you are getting 60%. Also intel iGPU's can't play most demanding 3d games so you're obviously lying again! You should always have one or two backup gpu's just incase your primary one fails, anyone who is serious about computers/gaming knows that... Also Nvidia NVENC completely destroys this iGPU in rendering times, don't be a conformist sheep and listen to everything this clown tech reviewer says, learn to do research and think for yourself!
I'm 8 months late, but... I'm streaming at 1080p with a Dell Studio XPS 9100 MoBo, an i7 970k (not overclocked), and a GTX 1050Ti, 16GB DDR3 RAM, on Win10. It's crazy to think that it works as great as it does, wasn't expecting when I picked up the build for $100.
Thanks, this is very informative and interesting. I am looking at upgrading to the i7 12700 and don't know much about what the k version adds to the package, but you helped me to understand that it is worth it to get the k version. I do some gaming, but also do some video editing and such so it can't hurt to get the k version. These past 6 months I have been upgrading some computer parts and I am just needing the CPU, Motherboard and Ram to complete my upgrade process. I have already upgraded to a new BeQuiet 802 case, WD Black NVME and Samsung SSDs, Geforce 3060, Corsair 850 watt power supply, Noctua cooler and Noctua 140mm fans. I just need to figure the right motherboard and ram combo to go with the 12700k and not break the bank too.
I'd pick a Z690-based motherboard; even the lower-end ones aren't much different from the mid- and top-tier mobos performance-wise. A H670-based mobo would work too but note that it doesn't support CPU overclocking, so don't pick a H670 mobo if you plan to OC. Unless the H670 board is priced significantly cheaper than the Z690 board I'd still go for the latter, even if you don't plan to overclock now since you can actually OC in the future so you can squeeze a little more performance and delay the next CPU upgrade. Also, you'll be faced with the dilemma of investing in DDR5 RAM which is still expensive OR using the older but cheaper DDR4 RAM (especially if you're upgrading as opposed to building an all-new system). At present, DDR5 shows little performance benefit compared to DDR4 for most workloads so if cost is a major factor then DDR4 is definitely more attractive.
@@Vendemiair Hello and thank you for your reply. I am looking at z690 boards now, I just don't know the best one for about $300. I think DDR4 is the way to go for me right now.
@@Wigglythegreat2 My approach is to look at the detailed specs of each motherboard I'm considering (these are available on the manufacturer's website). Then I compare these specs side-by-side and look for the best features for the price and/or which features are important for me. The specs should be mostly similar across Z690 boards of the same price bracket but might differ in things like power phases for the VRM or total current supported (e.g. 70 amps), for both of which more is better. It might also differ in less technical specs like number and kind of USB ports, number of SATA ports, number of M.2 slots, etc.
@@Vendemiair I got ddr5 since 6 years ago I also got ddr4 when it first came out. The ddr4 lasted a long time before this years upgrades. Of course, ddr5 is still very overpriced and I would wait like 5-6 months before getting ddr5 since right now the price is still high. For a short term (1-2 years) ddr4 still should be enough, but I’d encourage to get ddr5 if you can for future proofing
Your claims aren't backed by any proofa. How do you expect us to believe this? I tried for a couple days but found no way to use both the igpu and dgpu together
For gamers that like to overclock the F variants are attractive because they deliver slightly better results. We are speaking about 2 or 3%. While I personally really love the fall back option of an onboard graphics card, I can understand, why some folks want the F version. If you are really after those overclocking records, then go for it. In that case 2% can be huge. But if you only want get some extra percent performance out of your gaming rig, stay away from those F version as they have the plague. That IGPU is worth it's weight in gold when overclocking your graphic card.
Do you think upgrade a i7 12700k to i9 13900k worth the cost ($280)) difference).. I bought this cpu but the 13th gen catch my eye, what your thoughts? Thanks 😉 awesome video
Incredibly useful info! Not only why to avoid F or KF for creators (which avoid wasting $300 by mistake) but also why you may not need to waste $1000 on a dedicated video card!! Thank you!!
What about the regular Intel 12700? (non-k) That's not a F or KF, right? So it should have an iGPU? On the Dell XPS 8950, the 12700k is $100 more than the 12700. No option for F or KF.
Well done on saying this 👏✅ It makes much sense. Take the CPU with IGP every time I say. Especially with 12500 and up. Don't pass on that inbuilt goodness especially when it costs so very little extra.
Would you ever consider a NON K variant? The 12900 and the 12700 do include the iGPU but have a much lower TDP. Does the (considerably) lower TDP also guarantee a considerably lower temperature of operation when on full load? In theory, one could chose the 12700 over the 12600K or chose the 12900 over the 12700K. Having seriously high temps is an issue, especially for smaller builds and perhaps for those living in much warmer climates. Thank you very much in advance!
Here's the Part 2 of this video with some benchmarks: th-cam.com/video/4ovRtmTxjuE/w-d-xo.html
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Hi Tech Notice I have an Rtx3060 I7 10750 125W CPU Acer Predator Hellios 300 315 53 71HN anyway my question to you is there a laptop version of the CPU I9 12900HK something unlocked my reason for wanting to update this is I want my machine to be able to keep up with Macbook pro M1 pro so that is my reason I want to bring it on the same level plus I intend to do some overclocking Add more memory a wifi 6e card and add Two new M2 anyway I need the HK is there a laptop version because I have seen them in MSI I hardly doubt it is a desktop version!.
No I want an extra integrated GPU even as a gamer more power more infinite computing power
What about AMD APU?
I always buy CPU's with IGPU cause you never know when your DGPU will take a dump.
Im on Ryzen and the "G" linup isnt as good as the "normal" ones. I have a 710 and an 1080 as a backup if that would happen
If you use AMD GPUs and have a compatible Ryzen CPU with IGPU you can use the integrated graphics to boost the graphics performance.
I always keep a roll of toilet paper next to the GPU just in case.
@@stigrabbid589 so i can make beast whit newest amd gpu and ddr5 64 gpu
Same tbh, also makes it simple when building a whole new system, gpu isn't posting/needs software. We'll the cpu igpu should work enough to diagnose the issue.
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I'm on 13700KF and I have no problem.
he's just crying don't mind him
That aged extremely bad
I gave two option
i7 13700K
Vs
i9 13900KF
For almost same price
Which one I should go first????
@@madphotography6119 13th and 14th gen intel cpus are instable at the moment, you need to wait until intel fixes it or get amd or 12th gen, the i9-12900ks is pretty good
@@madphotography6119 none dont buy intel
I wish Ryzen had something similar.
Btw I bought another 32GB of RAM as you recommended, and I'm glad I did. Thanks! (you might remember me from your stream)
😉👍
Ryzen does have igpus on few CPUs. For example the 2400G, 3400G and the new 5700G with 8 cores and 16 threads. And can play any game. The newer ones on lower settings obviously.
@@zerotactix5739 Can it help with video editing? I suppose it can't
@@zerotactix5739 The only downside of the Ryzen G processors is it can't perform any better than intel if you paired it with a dedicated GPU
Ryzen 7000 series CPUs may come with RDNA2 graphics or so I think.
The worst mistake you'll make is getting the F version and NOT having a dedicated GPU, meaning you won't be able to use your PC at all. I often play games and use Photoshop occasionally but almost never work on videos, so I wouldn't be averse to getting the KF variant to save some money. That said, having onboard graphics is good for troubleshooting a faulty GPU though, and if ever it conks out at least you'll still be able to use your computer while waiting for a replacement.
Slap a dirt cheap gpu into it if one is having issues with it. I don't recommend paying a 100 dollars more for the K version. That's idiotic and also paranoia. I've had my Ryzen 7 3700x for two years and I have never once had issues with it not having integrated graphics. I have a bunch of spare gpus. I guess that makes me weird?
@@josephwilson8391 same. I have 9900kf and no issues at all having no onboard. Just pre order 13700kf to replace it. I'm happy and continue to be happy. Mainly gaming and occasionally streaming.
12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? I'm not afraid of faulty GPU because I will buy a brand new one. Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
@@kleptokratija of course it is. There are some benefits of having onboard graphics but I've never needed them in years.
@@stevenross-watt8640 does having the F variant effect live streaming performance at all? Will it slow my game FPS down in any way? I live stream sim racing and I'm trying to understand if this will slow down my fps or live stream.
PC won't use iGPU if you have a dGPU
DGPU automatically deactivates iGPU when putting it in,
but it can be reactivated in BIOS-settings,
as far as I understand it.
@@tembotokOk if i have gt 730 ddr3 2gb, and i3 12100 with uhd 730... Do i still need gt 730? Because it was garbage. I cant even use premiere pro cs6 or figma design for hours without getting blue screen
Thank you so much. You made choosing between different variants of the 12th Gen i7 CPUs far much easier. I had been looking at KF version since it's a little cheaper and I am too narrow on budget.
12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
@@kleptokratija KF is much better for gaming.
@@Judaea98 I don't care too much about gaming, mostly video editing, adobe apps, I need powerful enough PC for my work, and casual gaming, but definitely not a priority.
@@Judaea98 no its not f is more for editing and stuff k is for gaming kf is for both so k is better
@@colinmusgrave the f just means it doesn't have integrated graphics, and k means it's overclockable
Why would you use igpu for video editing you need a dedicated GPU?
You spent the entire video speaking about the Intel IGPU and non-IGPU variants, what was the point of placing the AMD RYZEN CPU boxes so prominently in the camera view?
The site I'm buying a pc from only offers the i9-12900KF so I have no choice
Just saw this video but I already built my PC. Luckily I saw a Reddit comment about the meaning of the different letter "suffixes" on Intel CPUs while I was looking at PC parts. There's really a need for more information on this topic. Thanks for making this video!
When installing a discrete video card, the integrated video card is disabled at the BIOS stage.
I always read that on desktops the iGPU automatically gets disabled when a dedicated GPU is plugged in. And that Arc would be different, in that Arc _will_ make use of the Intel iGPU. Confusing...
IGPU can be enabled from bios. ;)
@@theTechNotice yess it can enabled but wudnt it create conflict wd dGPU
do we hv to to instal intel igpu driver along with nvidia driver..?
@@theTechNotice Thanks! Will have a look into that :)
@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't create driver conflicts. You can run the iGPU concurrently with the dGPU, though i can't really figure out a good use for that. For example, you can run one monitor off the iGPU and another off the dGPU, but then dGPUs support multiple monitors to begin with. For example I still use an old Aorus Xtreme 1080 Ti and it has an obscene number of video ports (3 DP, 2 HDMI, 1 DVI-D and 1 internal HDMI).
@@CaptainScorpio24 No, it won't. I have 2 dGPU's from different vendors (nvidia, amd) installed simultaneously along with an enabled Intel iGPU in my desktop machince. The OS can handle all 3 graphics drivers and everything is working fine.
It's not actually advised to use the iGPU media engine for stream encoding with OBS in gaming, because you incur bus contention. It's advised to keep everything within the single GPU, capture, compositing and encoding. The encoder is actually dedicated silicon and it doesn't have a performance impact. Capture and compositing do have a performance impact, but trying to capture across different GPUs is even worse, plus it's an absolute torture to get working. iGPU encoding is easy to set up but bad when system bus is already under heavy load.
Exactly. You'd get worse performance using the iGPU to encode than just using the dedicated NVENC.
as a gamer i bought the 12400f also its better for power consumption but i got ur point...however i think there are more gamers than photographers^^so the f variant in a budget gaming build is and will be the way to go i think^^
agreed, did the same thing
no thats braindead saving 10 dollars is not worth it stop coping with your bad decision
@@TheUnknownVideographer unless overclocked....i think the 12400f will do fine a f
Where I live, 12600k is $40 more expensive than 12600kf... I will buy a good GPU so why do I need integrated graphics that goes with 12600k? Is it okay in that case to go with 12600kf?
I want to make something very clear. I have a i7 12700k, for rendering and for recording the integrated graphics are dog water, even for 1080p it has a noticeable blur a way better gpu is the gtx 1660 which has a great encoder. The only reason i got the K and not the KF was bc if my gpu dies I have one in the cpu where i can see output.
Question as you still using integrated graphics? If not do you still notice any blur?
I recommend just snagging an old graphics card off of eBay for like 5 dollars it'll save you so so much money if that's your concern
@@Scornfull if you can get a decent gpu for $5 I will be impressed
@@nolyfe4814 you can use the cpu for content on the desktop or in a browser. It gets real bad when gaming for example.
@@TheGameBest7 you shouldn't be because that's not the reason to get an iGPU either because they're ass? Especially Intel iGPUs you can either get a card for five dollars that's good enough to run diagnostics or browse the internet until your new one comes in or spend the money you'd save with an F CPU and get better performance than you would with an iGPU either way the iGPU loses
If I have the F model of CPU but I buy Intel Arc GPU for install with Nvidia GPU, does it's will be better than iGPU? Can them work together?
I'm a 3D artist, and honestly picked the F variant.
I was formerly on a Ryzen 5 without internal graphics either, so I don't really see a loss if I lose the iGPU.
An iGPU won't help Blender renders, or even my dedicated GPU, CPU is best for Cycles for me.
This, I don´t even get why this youtuber goes out of his way to misrepresent what the CPU does for performance.
@@sturenorth I get his argument... if people building rigs for creative work weren't installing an NVidia, or AMD GPU lol
Thanks for your comments guys. Have a look at this video: th-cam.com/video/yN-ylvIbInQ/w-d-xo.html
Hopefully this helps. :)
@@theTechNotice I mean, I'm assuming this is a copy paste, because Video Rendering and 3D Ray Tracing are completely different beasts.
Intel QuickSync and the internal iGPU once again... pretty useless.
Actually been meaning to pick up a RTX card, as CyclesX can use that lol
This video is bad advice. Keep the graphics on the GPU.
what about for streamer? is 12700KF reliable?
If you're going to be using a dedicated GPU, then don't even bother with the upgrade imo. A dedicated GPU and integrated GPU will not work together on the same task, so there's literally no point.
Pretty much anyone with a dedicated GPU in the creator scene will have a high end GPU, and the iGPU will not come close to the kind of power the dGPU has.
The only benefit from using the iGPU is having an extra display port when needed, and when you're going to troubleshoot something without a dedicated GPU.
This... I find this video very non sense for video creation. Even if the encoder maybe better, most people edit in raw or log anyways. So those encoder is still useless. I still have a non f just in case anything goes wrong.
That last point is the strongest selling point, unless you have a spare GPU around. I do now so I don’t bother with the K series anymore.
@@sirvzIt’s useful for those that don’t have an extra dGPU to hot swap for sure, otherwise it’s not needed tbh.
ah yes, creators : photographers, video editors and streamers, 3d modeling ? coding ? others ?
Tired of seeing clowns telling people to get the iGPU, you can literally buy an older gpu like the GTX 680 for almost the same price, which will completely destroy the shitty iGPU, also I'd highly doubt anyone would notice the extra 10%-20% performance from using Quick Sync in Video Rendering, F series processors offer the best value for money, this is the first and last video I'll watch from you, stop spreading misinformation!
FYI, the iGPU on 12th gen (UHD770) with Intel quick sync can give you extra 100+% performance, depending on codecs you're using for video editing ;)
@@theTechNotice I cannot find anything to substantiate that claim but iGPUs especially Intel ones aren't particularly great at anything and the dGPU is supposed to do that work whilst the CPU handles everything else I've looked through tons of posts and articles tried different search terms and no you're wrong, ofc I already knew this but I gave you the benefit of the doubt lol
@griefy4555 Ok if i have gt 730 ddr3 2gb, and i3 12100 with uhd 730... Do i still need gt 730? Because it was garbage. I cant even use premiere pro cs6 or figma design for hours without getting blue screen, and the driver is outdated
yeah but if you have the RTX3090 the i-GPU doesn't make since to have right? I use devinci resolve, adobe photoshop and after effects, TechSmith Camtasia, plus I also produce music with Presonus Studio One 5 that uses a lot of visual; aspects.
I get this question a lot, but the answer is YES, it still makes sense, since the iGPU and rtx 3090 can work together! And the UHD 770 can encode more codecs than the NVENC inside the RTX3090.
I think gamers should still get the k version instead of kf because it’s really helpful in troubleshooting graphics card problems. If you don’t have igpu you’ve got to source another gpu to confirm the problems are actually the gpu and not something else
Soo your saying if anyone buys a $1500 GPU meaning it will die eventually lol yikes 😅
@@redclaw72666I've never had a GPU die on me, but I never overclock and I run vsync so I rarely use 100% GPU power.
No, they really shouldn't you don't need a fancy GPU for a display output you can save a lot of money just by buying an old GPU for like pennies and save a lot of money especially if you upgrade as often as I do, you'd be flushing away money for an issue that isn't likely to happen for legit no reason
@@ScornfullI keep my old 3080 around just in case I have any issues. I don’t think I’ll ever buy the K variants again, KF all the way!
Not really a good advice. If you are planning to add a dedicated GPU, the iGPU is mostly useless. Intel's QuickSync performs nearly identical to Nvidia's NEVNC when encoding in video editing software.
For streaming, the benefits of offloading the encoding to your iGPU are negated by the latency of copying the frames from the GPU to your iGPU. You actually get more performance encoding directly on your dedicated GPU since NVENC encoding is done directly on the GPU die and it only needs to send back encoded frames.
Actually Quicksync is much better than NVENC at the moment, the uhd770 supports more codecs than NVENC. :)
Ok if i have gt 730 ddr3 2gb, and i3 12100 with uhd 730... Do i still need gt 730? Because it was garbage. I cant even use premiere pro cs6 or figma design for hours without getting blue screen
I got the 12900k, but I don't know if I have my prefrences in premiere pro configured properly to use the igpu. Could you do a premiere pro 2022 guide for 12th gen cpus. Cheers - J
Good idea!
Yes please, I need to know that too
Huh, how does an IGPU give your system more performance when you only use a dedicated GPU?
I have the same question lol, it doesnt have any sense bc windows only process graphics from the external GPU
I used the same criteria for narrowing down my search for i7 CPUs, I got down to two gen 12s and only one gen 13. It'd be crazy not to get a CPU with built in GPU capabilities. I don't know what people do if their graphics card fails. They won't be able to do anything with their computer, not even do some diagnostics to see if it is just their graphics card that's faulty.
I wish it were so easy to search through motherboards.
You pop in another graphics card if it fails. If you're someone, like me, who has several older GPUs sitting around, getting non-F version is a complete waste of money. I was able to get a KF version of a 12700 for $50 less on sale.
Yeah, but what about 4th generation 4790K processors?
I'm not sure hokey Magix Movie Studio 16 would use both the GPU and CPU GPU... I've never heard any mention of it ever. Can't stand Davinchi Resolve. I use 1080p h.264 not h.265 or 2.7k or 4.k. 1080p is overkill even for mobile phones.
I think it's funny these guys think TH-cam Content Creators are using the latest and greatest hardware. In 13 years and 500 videos later, I ahve yet to make one cent on this platform... so yeah... the upgrade I'm looking at is from an FX-8350 to a 4790K system I just bought. Should I move all my work over, or not. :-/ The CPU is only 33% faster itself. Moving from one machien to another is a huge PITA.
A warm THANK to you for your advice and cavation to not choose the "F"-version! Wishing you all the best, and stay blessed and healthy! Best regards from Sweden!
Not TRUE
I bought i5 13600k just cause it have igbu Although iam not going to overclocking speed
Now i turn off igbu cause preimere uses it more than nividea gbu and it make playback so laggy
After i turned off my playback work better
Don"t listen to this dude. Buy a proper graphic processor and save money with a KF. There is no way you will be happy rendering scenes with your integrated gpu.
I disagree with your assessment, iGPU is important, if your dedicated graphics card goes down, at least you have a backup to tide you while your card goes on a warranty replacement. Never underestimate how important an iGPU is when you need to use your pc for daily normal usage.
@@BravoSixGoingDarkThen, what if you already have an extra GPU lying around?
@@leafbelly What happens if that extra GPU has weird unspecified crashing problems? I would say it's still best to have an iGPU as a fallback plan. Sure you pay a few dollars more. I would take that deal.
@@BravoSixGoingDark I mean you could just order a 5 dollar card and save $45 so I don't get your point?
Subscribed and sitting right next to that bell. What a content video !!!!
I'm glad I found your channel. I started editing my very first video using a 10 year old laptop and it's a pain. Time to upgrade and build my very first pc. Thanks for the advice!
I like that he concentrates on creation-machines, not gaming-machines. I got 64GB RAM mostly due to his advice, and my 5950X. I run my machine 24/7 full-steam and have had no issues.
For what did u settle? I think an i9 is just TOO much power and too expensive, also as the best i7. I maybe go for a i5. I do video editing too (music videos) and have a RX 570 8GB from sapphire.
@@johndicus123 For what in the hell you need 64GB ram?
I bought intel i5 1240p and its processor speed is 1.7Ghz…any help please😢😢…it has an additional Nvidia Rtx 2050..then also its soo lagg and slow bro please sort it out whats the matter…while working in 16threads~1.7ghz 15threads~2.1Ghz…its maximum speed is 2.1Ghz …but actual clock speed of 12th gen i5 is 3.3-4.4Ghz😢
If you have a GPU, your GPU does everything the Integrated Graphics would do. Therefore, your IGPU sits unused, and adds no performance at all. In that case, the non-F variant is only useful for an emergency backup in case you are ever without a graphics card. Now, is it worth that slight discount to not have an emergency backup? Maybe not. But F models aren't some boogeyman to be afraid of.
Real and even if for emergency five dollars will get you basically the same emergency backup aka an old GPU or a display adapter
whats best for 3D artists? zbrush/substance painter
Well said! This is why I bought the i5 12500 too. I don't have a GPU yet, I planned on getting an Intel Arc A750 but we see how that went. Now I'm stalking Best Buy for a 3060ti founders at msrp
How is the editing performance with the igpu only?
If you have a graphics card (which most content creators have), then save some money and go with the "F" version. There is no performance difference between the 2, the only difference is the "F" version does not have a GPU built in. Why would you use encoders on the CPU if you have a dedicated graphics card?? Lol thats pointless, just taking more resources from the CPU.
My friend, you are misinformed. The igpu can work together with your dGPU. The UHD770 has better encoders than on the rtx 3090. And the difference is HUGE! For example NVENC does not currently offer support for h.265 10 bit 4.2.2, yet UHD770 does. ;)
@@theTechNotice deleting my comment? Lol that link I posted compares over 500 12700f vs 12700 user CPU benchmarks against each other..... Showing no difference
I never delete comments, posting links on TH-cam comments triggers them automatically and they go under the 'review' section and not public. :)
But on the 12700 vs 12700F benchmarks was the iGPU turned on in BIOS when benchmarking the CPUs?
Coz I can see a huge difference in my benchmarks in video editing especially timeline performance. :)
having igpu might be useful in the future where you repurpose the CPU for other workload type. for example, my old gaming rig is now running my nas server. with igpu inside, i don't need to install any dedicated cards occupying precious pci-e slots. furthermore, should you decide to sell it in the future, you can appeal to more potential market
For me, I will still buy with the igpu especially when I don't have a backup PC / Laptop especially when the gpu starts not to run (broke).
What about for someone like me who is using Hackintosh who only plays World of Warcraft on Mac, the iGPU straight up isn't supported and doesn't work on mac.
I usually buy non F just in case something happens to my actual gpu but its nice to know it gives some performance too
Same thinking here
Same for me too. Only iGPU fulfills that safety & emergency needs
Does non F add power to frames
@@zemloh if you mean in-game fps then non-f give bite more fps than f versions
@@zemloh I think not, like at all
I made this mistake... ordered the kf 😅
Switching over to the k version now!
Thanks! 👍
Which is better to go with in terms of CPU and not integrated graphics, the i7-12700 or 5700g? I'm looking into a computer that would support programs such as Visual Studio (not Code) and Unity for context. What would be the pros and cons of both processors?
What did you go with as cant decide either, I just wished 5700g supported m.2 4.0 PCIe which is twice as fast as 3.0 then for sure I would go with the AMD.
@@garrymcdonald5456 Still running on my old machine unfortunately.
so this whole video was about getting the igpu version of the cpu if ur a content creator.
Yeah 😂😂
Regardless of what generation, you should always check to see if the CPU includes processor graphics! Intel has been doing this since about the Intel Core 2000-series CPUs which some (such as the K and X models) didn't have integrated graphics.
I bought my first pc with an 12 gen F chip. I didn't know what the F meant. I had to swap it out. I don't understand the point of an F chip. Just pay the little bit extra.
my intel uhd graphics 630 unchecked & 3070 checked how to both gpu checked. please resolve this issue
Dude !! this guy has no idea what he's talking about !!
thats why we need youtube dislike back
Shouldn’t the dedicated graphic card be doing the computation?
Biggest thing is if your GPU goes for RMA (repair) it might take 1-2 weeks and in that time you can use the integrated intel graphics for display
Good point!
Exactly! I'd never buy a CPU without integrated graphics and it's now paying off as I've had to RMA my 2070 super due to display issues... Yea ok gaming isn't that great on the uhd770 with a 12600k especially when Forza horizon 4 only achieves a whopping 27fps on low settings and rdr2 in 720p with the same FPS 🤣 but still I'm able to play games to keep me busy untill my GPU comes back
Same. Gaming might not be great on integrated graphics but the first time you need a display output to troubleshoot a GPU or have to RMA/replace it you'll be glad enough to have it that the extra $20 or $30 probably won't cross your mind.
@@welshman2011 Please for the love of God save your money by using a cheap display adapter or an old GPU you wasted your money
@@generic_account_name Unless you know that five dollars will get you the same thing aka another GPU you really don't need an iGPU if an old GPU for cheaper and will perform better
Is there a gaming performance difference between 12700kf and 12700k?
6:47 Are these parameters regarding Premier and the loads divided onto the igpu and the gpu automatic, or do you have to manually set this up?
Automatic when drivers are up to date :)
I have a Core i5 12600KF and edit in 4K. I have a RTX 3060 card and it works supreme! I can´t see the problem...
You will when your gpu dies unexpectedly.
@@theandroids thats not a good answer
@@theandroids that's a terrible answer; just pop in another card. You will have to anyway.
Very interesting about the point you are making. My question is if you rather use igpu, don’t you have to go back into bios to change the discreet gpu setting? Aren’t they mutually exclusive? Plus not to mention having to switch the dsp plug?
you can always set the dual display on... having both iGPU and discrete stays on
Appreciate your video! It helps! I'm glad I've watched your video🤣
If you are a render developer and you already have a GPU, is it more advisable to also opt for a version without F?
Having a integrated graphics is good if you aren't buying a expensive gpu soon, or if your actual gpu dies for no reason. With the K series you have no video at all without a gpu. A gpu can fail, and probably will do someday.
@@MGOFor3ver *F not K
@@chickenfried12 You're right, my mistake.
@@MGOFor3ver For the same price difference you can get a decent discrete graphics card tho and you can use it even after you upgrade your CPU potentially saving you quite a bit of money especially if you upgrade somewhat frequently
So...
If you ARE making video content, and you aren't using the internal graphics, should you still have "Multiview" enabled?
What does KF stand for Intel?
unlocked
Intel CPU nomenclature designates “K” as an unlocked processor that supports overclocking. Intel Processors with “F” in the product name denote NO SUPPORT for processor graphics. A “KF” designation means the processor is unlocked and does NOT support processor graphics.
Thanks!
@@theTechNotice Thank Google lol
On Jan 4th 2022 I got the Intel 12th gen i9-12900K & ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WiFi D4 mainboard For my first build. That board has Display Port & HDMI out. I knew about F, K & KF. I made sure to get the K even though I have a dedicated GPU. In my situation, it was because what if my GPU fails & I need something to get by. And I know it helps in performance.
I'm upgrading from Ryzen 1600. Bought the 12700K because the price on GC is still crazy. We will see how the integrated graphics hold up to some 3d modeling tasks in Fusion 360, Blender, 3ds Max and Revit.
how does it hold up tho ?
@@theinsurgent8309 it's doing good. Happy with the overall performance, but its not a long time solution for sure.
Dude I’m using 1700x and 1080 for 4K editing and don’t seem to need an upgrade at all. 64gb ram at 3200 I’m in the 98th percentile on user bench mark. 95% across the board. Upgrading would be an ego move. Gtav run at 65 steady at max graphics
@@JaiJai177 editing/gaming and 3d designing are different 3d modeling needs a good cpu even though it needs a good graphic card when rendering ....gaming needs a better gpu overall ...
So glad I found this channel. Excellent, very relevant information. Thank you!
🙂😇
Benefit for having integrated graphics on a cpu is if your gpu stops working, you have a backup to troubleshoot. Not everyone has a 2nd gpu on hand
The problem is Im on a budget and I dont want to spend 50$ more on a cpu
Like my GT 710 never had a issue in 7 years so I am really not understanding how modern ones stop working
@@rajeevchowbey2969 I assume people aren't cooling them properly, overheated GPUs die much quicker
What about the KS versions of the CPU?
Thank you SO MUCH for informing us beginners.. I just recently picked up the dreaded 'F' chip. As an artist and creator I wanted a fast I9- not knowing F was any different and only saving $40. I was casually watching this video while working and jumped up to do the fastest return request I've ever made. Thank you for saving my build!!! Right one coming in same day thanks to Amazon.
The iGPU isn't very good though you're better off using that 40 dollars towards a better card and sorry man but this guy definitely sold you some bad info nobody uses the iGPU for anything especially if they have an i9, people that buy the i9 tend to at least have an RTX 3080 in their system that completely shits on any iGPU currently in the market
Super informative! Thanks mate ✌️
What about the mobile 12th-gen processors? I notice that, for example, the mobile Intel Core i7 12650H seemingly has a better i-gpu than does the desktop Core i7 12600K (Intel Iris Xe Graphics (64EU) vs. the Intel UHD Graphics 770), but does this necessarily mean that it also has effective encoders/decoders for work with the 10 bit 422 - h.264 and h.265 files? Thanks!
This is the best information that you had given for many of people.... this facts to know the selection of Processors...... Thanks a lot... I was searching this information since a year....
My experience with Gen 10 CPUs agree with your results, though the improvement is not that large.
PS: Your "product placement" was, shall we say, was totally obvious. ;)
What is your opinion of how well the a750 or A770 work together with intel integrated unit for video editing. Intel makes some special claims about the combo. But does it really help?
I've been Intel all my life over 30 years of building PCs, I just bought my first AMD, a Ryzen 9 5950x and I couldn't be happier as a creator who works with BRAW it's an amazing chip. Intel has pooped the bed.
not the bed, but the whole AMD factory.
@Sven Sigrun You’re comparing intel to the previous AMD chip without v cache.
Will an i5 12400 CPU with its integrated graphics work for Photoshop edits and 15 second videos in Premiere? Or should I buy the 12600k? Please help me with this
You might want to rethink using a graphics card in PS or LR software, particularly for rendering changed images processing third party denoise or sharpening application inside and for these Adobe products. Without the graphics card and relying on the internal CPU graphics engine can be fruital with wait times 10 -15 time longer for specific rendering. Anyone working in video will have a PC workstation with a good video card. The bottom line for most PC users in all forms of imaging MUST use a good graphics card-most medium to high hend PCs and laptops use a graphics card for support.
Indeed. Although when I've benchmarked PCs with iGPU vs dGPU, I've seen no performance difference in LRC and PS. have a look at this video: th-cam.com/video/w3bB7GrZqnQ/w-d-xo.html
You may find that in *many* applications, the I-5 outperforms the I-7 and sometimes even the I-9.
Exactly
What if I have a motherboard with an integrated GPU? How do these stack up against IG on CPU?
Is this cpu good for 3D modeling and animation?
Obviously
This was incredibly useful for me. I do an extensive amount of Lightroom/Photoshop & had no idea about the variant issues. Thanks for the information, as I'll know what to look for in my next workstation.
The question is.. why Intel made a variant without integrated graphics (F)? is like to buy a phone without battery 🤦♂️
I actually got a 12700k when I'm only planning on using my PC for gaming and some fairly basic office work tasks .
In these current times of GPU shortages and inflated prices, it seemed fairly sensible for the relatively small price difference.
If my 30 series GPU has to go for repair or I want to sell it for a future upgrade, this way I still have a working PC. I've heard some terrible tales of delays with RMAs due to supply issues. An entirely unusable PC whilst waiting is something I'll pay to avoid.
Intel cpu are not designed for gaming, AMD is designed for gaming and creator.
@@alphaomega1969 the entire k series is for overclocking what other practical/ sensible work related applications does that have
@@alphaomega1969 LOL Intel CPUs are great for everything, same as AMD, but requires more power
What about i7 12700F paired with RTX 3060 for gaming and casual video editing requirements?
Be careful when purchasing a custom spec'd PC on builder sites. I ordered a 10900K but actually got the 10900KF. I didn't receive my PC for 3 months due to Origin waiting on restocks for the case and GPUs (late 2020). Wish I knew the differences so I could of have them fixed it.
Sorry to hear that!
@@theTechNotice
When you say the iGPU is good for "creators" I'm assuming the same can be said for CAD/CAM software, true?
what do you think about intel laptop cpu 12700h is there iGpu same as 12600K, thank you.
You're gaining exactly 0 when it comes to CPU processing power, F-CPUs are even a bit more powerful. So if you got a decent graphics card you don't need a non-F CPU AT ALL cause the internal GPU is disabled anyway.
How about if you stream bro ? Is there any difference?
I have intel i5 12600k which has uhd 770 i gpu enabled in the bios and I can see it in the task manager, but it does nothing is staying at 0% all the time. Not in premiere 2020 not in any program. I have also the latest vga drivers suggested by the motherboard gigabyte manufacturer. NO way to unable the i gpu to take some load. I have window 10. The main gpu is nvdia rtx 3060. What do you think?
Great points regarding the F delimiter. I bought a i9 9900kf based upon reviews that I would not see a benefit of the K chip because of my 2070 Super. I will not make this mistake moving up to the I7 12700k. Thanks
So what you going to do when your 2070 super fails on you? because I can honestly tell you I got a 12600k paired with a gigabyte 2070 super gaming oc and I've currently had to RMA the GPU due to issues so paying a tiny bit extra for the K variant is well worth it and is an absolute life saver, as the IGPU plays alot of AAA games like RDR2, GTA5, aswell as FH4/5, Forza Motorsport 7 , COD, CSGO and tomb raider. As well as it responds extremely well once overclocked offering upto 60% more performance. So upgrading to a k variant 12700k (depending on what resolution you play) is well worth the upgrade. Not only that I came from a 9600k and the performance difference compared to a 12600k is phenomenal.
@@welshman2011 guess that comes down to bad luck and redundancy.. I have the same card and it's been rock solid so it's not been an issue for me. but I guess if it died I'd be pretty pissed
@@emissarygw2264 If it ever died, you could pick up a used low grade graphics card equivalent to the IGPU for like $40 on FB marketplace. Even in today's market.
@@welshman2011 Are you huffing glue? K variants only offer a 5% performance boost over non K, don't know where you are getting 60%. Also intel iGPU's can't play most demanding 3d games so you're obviously lying again! You should always have one or two backup gpu's just incase your primary one fails, anyone who is serious about computers/gaming knows that... Also Nvidia NVENC completely destroys this iGPU in rendering times, don't be a conformist sheep and listen to everything this clown tech reviewer says, learn to do research and think for yourself!
I'm 8 months late, but... I'm streaming at 1080p with a Dell Studio XPS 9100 MoBo, an i7 970k (not overclocked), and a GTX 1050Ti, 16GB DDR3 RAM, on Win10.
It's crazy to think that it works as great as it does, wasn't expecting when I picked up the build for $100.
Thanks, this is very informative and interesting. I am looking at upgrading to the i7 12700 and don't know much about what the k version adds to the package, but you helped me to understand that it is worth it to get the k version. I do some gaming, but also do some video editing and such so it can't hurt to get the k version.
These past 6 months I have been upgrading some computer parts and I am just needing the CPU, Motherboard and Ram to complete my upgrade process. I have already upgraded to a new BeQuiet 802 case, WD Black NVME and Samsung SSDs, Geforce 3060, Corsair 850 watt power supply, Noctua cooler and Noctua 140mm fans. I just need to figure the right motherboard and ram combo to go with the 12700k and not break the bank too.
I'd pick a Z690-based motherboard; even the lower-end ones aren't much different from the mid- and top-tier mobos performance-wise. A H670-based mobo would work too but note that it doesn't support CPU overclocking, so don't pick a H670 mobo if you plan to OC. Unless the H670 board is priced significantly cheaper than the Z690 board I'd still go for the latter, even if you don't plan to overclock now since you can actually OC in the future so you can squeeze a little more performance and delay the next CPU upgrade. Also, you'll be faced with the dilemma of investing in DDR5 RAM which is still expensive OR using the older but cheaper DDR4 RAM (especially if you're upgrading as opposed to building an all-new system). At present, DDR5 shows little performance benefit compared to DDR4 for most workloads so if cost is a major factor then DDR4 is definitely more attractive.
@@Vendemiair Hello and thank you for your reply. I am looking at z690 boards now, I just don't know the best one for about $300. I think DDR4 is the way to go for me right now.
@@Wigglythegreat2 My approach is to look at the detailed specs of each motherboard I'm considering (these are available on the manufacturer's website). Then I compare these specs side-by-side and look for the best features for the price and/or which features are important for me. The specs should be mostly similar across Z690 boards of the same price bracket but might differ in things like power phases for the VRM or total current supported (e.g. 70 amps), for both of which more is better. It might also differ in less technical specs like number and kind of USB ports, number of SATA ports, number of M.2 slots, etc.
@@Vendemiair Thanks for your input. I will take all suggestions into account when choosing.
@@Vendemiair I got ddr5 since 6 years ago I also got ddr4 when it first came out. The ddr4 lasted a long time before this years upgrades. Of course, ddr5 is still very overpriced and I would wait like 5-6 months before getting ddr5 since right now the price is still high. For a short term (1-2 years) ddr4 still should be enough, but I’d encourage to get ddr5 if you can for future proofing
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! 🥺
So glad I found this as I'm about to buy.
If you don't know the main purpose of going with the F version is that you are going to get a good gpu and not waste money on the igpu
Exactly
Your claims aren't backed by any proofa. How do you expect us to believe this? I tried for a couple days but found no way to use both the igpu and dgpu together
are you a video editor? If so have a look at the Pinned comment :)
for music production, iGPU is more than enough.
Indeed!
Intel ARC 770 can playback H265 in Davinci Resolve ? Have you got one to test it ?
For gamers that like to overclock the F variants are attractive because they deliver slightly better results. We are speaking about 2 or 3%. While I personally really love the fall back option of an onboard graphics card, I can understand, why some folks want the F version. If you are really after those overclocking records, then go for it. In that case 2% can be huge. But if you only want get some extra percent performance out of your gaming rig, stay away from those F version as they have the plague. That IGPU is worth it's weight in gold when overclocking your graphic card.
@@dylanmacias9266 have the same question hmmm ^^
It doesnt help if u have a dedicated graphics card.
@@dylanmacias9266 didn't get an answer yet?
Do you think upgrade a i7 12700k to i9 13900k worth the cost ($280)) difference).. I bought this cpu but the 13th gen catch my eye, what your thoughts? Thanks 😉 awesome video
Incredibly useful info! Not only why to avoid F or KF for creators (which avoid wasting $300 by mistake) but also why you may not need to waste $1000 on a dedicated video card!!
Thank you!!
@THΞ ΛΧΥΞΗΗΘ GPU is making your overall system hotter and 'leaking' some power too
@THΞ ΛΧΥΞΗΗΘ
You didn't watch the video, did you?
@@numbersix9477 😆
What about the regular Intel 12700? (non-k) That's not a F or KF, right? So it should have an iGPU? On the Dell XPS 8950, the 12700k is $100 more than the 12700. No option for F or KF.
Well done on saying this 👏✅ It makes much sense. Take the CPU with IGP every time I say. Especially with 12500 and up. Don't pass on that inbuilt goodness especially when it costs so very little extra.
Does the IGPU matter in gaming? an i5 12400f should be fine right.
Would you ever consider a NON K variant?
The 12900 and the 12700 do include the iGPU but have a much lower TDP.
Does the (considerably) lower TDP also guarantee a considerably lower temperature of operation when on full load?
In theory, one could chose the 12700 over the 12600K or chose the 12900 over the 12700K.
Having seriously high temps is an issue, especially for smaller builds and perhaps for those living in much warmer climates.
Thank you very much in advance!
Can you check preformance Android Studio on a project build with i9-12900K?
I have got it!!! I'll try to publish my result in a week or two
6k likes and 4k dislikes, lol
It's sad that everyone does videos for gaming, but never mention music production. Everyone doesn't play video games and do graphics.
There are many sound card reviews you should check out. Or get a motherboard with good inbuilt sound features.