As long as Bob's able to dial a phone or communicate with a fellow inmate, neither the Durst family nor the witnesses against him will be beyond his reach for the purpose of retribution and vengeance. He's also been the beneficiary of a personally constructed form of tribal loyalty that has denied justice to his victims and their families. Blind loyalty to him earned his victims a bullet in the head. If he walks away from this trial, as he told Nick Chauvin, it will be him or them. His body is shot, but his mania is relentless and fully funded.
I've watched a lot of trials over the last 10 or so years. Sometimes even thought I know the defendant is guilty the Defense in closing almost has me doubting. This defense is atrocious!!! No way he has convinced the jury he's innocent!! Just awful
Durst’s case is nearly impossible to defend. Don’t confuse that fact with the competence of his attorneys. They have presented EVERYTHING that was available to them to create doubt. They attempted more than was allowed by the judge. I agree that part 1 of the closing argument was weak. I suspect that it was intentionally brief and focused on emotional appeal given the overbearing weight of circumstantial evidence and apparent guilt of their defendant. They are saving their stronger argument for Monday’s closing. It won’t be enough. Not because they are atrocious. The problem is insurmountable.
He is so used to Addressing a corrupt paid for court ie judges in Fup Texas He is a terrible attorney up against real evidence and lawyers He is too old too His ego Plus ancient technology
@@lynnecampbell8418 You are right. DeGuerin is a one trick pony. In TX he was able to get away with it. L.A. is a whole new ballgame for him and Durst.
Yes...that's why it is important to watch people's behavior. The fact that Durst's brother hired security is a VERY telling piece of information for the jury. His own brother is afraid of him and knows that one has to protect themselves from anyone in Robert Durst's crosshairs.
Robert Durst is the character out of psycho, Bates was a cross dressing serial killer, Im pretty sure hes seen the movie and decided to act it out in real life..
No Durst demonised himself with his action narcissistic personality and ego and tbh just because his lawyer likes him doesnt make an ounce of difference because im pretty sure the lawyer likes Durst s bank account a lot more!!!
Agree 100% . The geriatric old DeGuerin must be banking a fortune for his final years - what a hypocrite, he claims to be proud" to represent Durst and to know him !! (That is greedy lawyer speak - even for a past it old "has been" like DeGuerin ) for" I am ashamed to be doing this !!."
Mr. Lewin is right. Mr. Deguerin is used to being the top dog attorney in a Texas courtroom where this would definitely be overlooked. He doesn't know how to handle someone like Mr. Lewin. To be honest I expected more from him really. Even though he doesn't have much to work with.
never seen him before but this is just sad.....he doesn't seem to understand how modern people perceive domestic violence if he thinks it will work to downplay it as "a rough patch in a marriage"
20 years ago he was maybe worth the money, but DeGuerin is not the man he was 20 years ago, and should not have tried this case. He may have been the only one willing to, though.
Bob Loved every minute of the 14 days on the stand. He lives for trying to always get over on or fool EVERY ONE. Just like his dad, the food stamps, morris, shoplifting, etc.
He was asking for attention through his actions throughout his life. If he wasn't such an evil narcissist and hadn't loved the attention, he would have done the honourable and decent thing, admitted his guilt and told the McCormack family where Kathie lies. Horrible man, would have loved for him to be convicted for Kathies murder, too.
Have the Defence accidently given away the location of Kathys body?? They have just admitted that he went somewhere to look for biggger houses after the "first night" she didnt come home. What are you betting thats where he dumped her body/parts
Give it a break about the sick old man. He didn't have to testify. I agree he doesn't look well. He sure has fight in him though. When his voice would get hoarse it made him seem weak. I wonder if he was using that as a tactic. He was conniving when he was younger and conniving as an old man. The statement about him being 'different'. That's an understatement. .
His demeanor changed depending on who was asking the questions ... he didnt seem to have a hearing problem when his defense team were asking but WHAM suddenly he is deaf as a post .. he changed his posture to look weaker amongst other subtle changes. What sickened me the most was when he attempted to insinuate all his behaviours was due to being on the spectrum ... there is nothing this psychopath wont do ...
He really did have to testify. Lewin essentially left them no choice but to put him on the stand because it was the ONLY hope they had to counter his statements to Jarecki and Lewin. If, after the defense opening, they *didn’t* have him testify, then Lewin could have attacked the lawyers themselves for everything they said they would do, but didn’t. They were trapped. It was an absolutely stunning move on Lewin’s part.
Lewin loves to talk lol. He is a good prosecutor, but he could say what he wants to say in about 1/2 the time and lose none of its effect. In fact it would be more potent if he shaved off some of his repetition. DeGuerin needs more structure, jumps around too much.
No. The jury was assembled early last year and served for a week (opening arguments), but then the trial was postponed for 14 months. They started the case up again in mid/late May of this year. So technically they've been "in court" four days a week for roughly 4 months in total.
I found the first part of the trial on You Tube from over a year ago. (March of 2020). The original openings and some testimony. Unfortunately, the one or two days of testimony were in audio only. Opening were on video. I believe this is the same jury from March of 2020 when the trial was postponed because of the pandemic.
Has an enormous ego; it’s very off putting. He needs to rule by the law and quit making excuses for DeGuerrin’s unprofessional conduct. This would never fly in front of another judge
@@wordsleuth992 I completely agree, he’s obviously biased to the defence team. He is so disrespectful in the way he treats Lewin. Professional jealousy perhaps….
You know, it’s funny, because if you listen to his statements outside of the jury’s presence, it’s clear he absolutely thinks Durst is guilty. He literally called this a “confession case” rather than a circumstantial one, and he said he knew Durst had perjured himself. He IS a bit hard on Lewin, but I think, honestly, it’s because they both enjoy the challenge. He actually defers to Lewin’s expertise on matters of case law. I think the reason he is somewhat lenient with the defense, has even “helped” them in some instances (“make a different objection”) is because he didn’t want any chance to have his decisions overturned on appeal. DeGuerin and Chesnoff are not CA lawyers. They are poorly educated on CA case law. Windham has tried to make sure that their ignorance in some areas isn’t grounds for claiming incompetent defense later on. All judges have an ego. It comes with the territory. But he’s actually one of the most reasonable ones I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching.
Thanks for sharing the trial. It was anxiety provoking to watch Lewin most days but the closing prosecutor was more than tolerable and did a great job. I also felt the defense attorney did a great job today.
Let's not beat around the bush here. DeGuerin is a f😑cking dishonest piece of human trash. That he met his match and demise so late in his career is quite sad
@@wernercolyn892 I disagree. Defense attorneys are not their clients. I wouldn’t ever call them trash for doing their jobs. If we didn’t have them we would be in big trouble. I may not agree with who they are representing but to demonize them for defending any citizen, regardless of what we think, is wrong. I can see being angry when they are seemingly so behind their clients but they can lose their licenses for not defending vigorously. This defense attorney is doing exactly what he swore he would do.
@@dianac2498 I agree and they should defend vigorously- hold the state to its burden etc etc but so often the victim is demonized- just pulverized with accusations and when there is zero corroboration? It’s disgusting.
@@laradesautel3013 Yeah that’s never good to do and I agree. The Travis Alexander case was like that but I think most of it came from the defendant there too. I’m not hearing too much from them on Kathi or Susan other than to say they weren’t perfect people. Bob bashed but his attorney just said they weren’t perfect. This seems reasonable since no one is perfect but after we die we become that way somehow. Doing coke in the 80’s was practically a norm for example.
@@dianac2498 @Lara Desautel they're doing a good job defending alright, but @Werner Colyn is right. They cannot by rules allow a client lie on the stand, risking disbarment if caught. They absolutely broke that rule, among several other rules that are way over the boarder of being improper. DeGuerin himself explained what he thinks about lying on the stand in NBC's dateline episode "Robert Durst: The Secret Tapes". Listen to what he says, he absolutely is dishonest and uses dishonesty as part of a strategy. The "piece of human trash" can be inferred.
Terrible beginning to defense closing. Very disjointed and confusing. Unfortunately for defense the prosecution has shown all the lies Bob has told in his own words in audio , written form and videotape. I don’t think this defense will convince a jury unless they are as stupid as the Texas jury. Let’s hope bit.
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@@Hunter.888 I never could be enjoyed of a person who get in prison. I hope in a better world. Unfortunately, humanity has any progress in a better life inside his wall, his house or school, or jobs. In this case, domestic violence is not only a simple word, it collects the screaming of children, wife, grandparents or men who live in terror, maybe all their life. It is not depends of money, it is about characters and personalities togheter transforming a life in a toxic environment.
Nothing but a money grabber. Bob was going to confess years ago to Lewin before this guy found out. I have no respect for him. Go watch the over 2 hr interview on TH-cam last 20 min when he ready until he left to talk to his money grabbing attorney
This is shameful. Durst chose to testify. The prosecution cross examined him…which by the way mostly took nine days due to his “reading the questions” aka “buying time to answer”. Durst lied so sloppily that every lie led to at least ten more questions. I know the defense is just doing their job and they don’t have a lot to work with but this is beyond desperate.
I am not sure what the verdict will be. We are told that how believable 'witness' testimony is what determines guilt or innocent. The State had many believable witnesses in my opinion who testified that Susan Berman told a number of people that Durst was involved with Cathy's murder. There was also evidence that Durst knew the authorities wanted to speak with Susan. There were other witnesses who testified that Durst himself said he killed Susan.....If the jury believes those witnesses then I believe he will be found guilty.
Over-whelming evidence Durst did it, laid out really clearly by the first Prosecution closing statement. I was worried Lewin had muddied the waters by going after every lie and inconsistency no matter how irrelevant, but it was properly pulled together in the end. Degurin was terrible, looked ill-prepared and only had one substantial point about one of Durst's confessions (to Chauvin). Weighed against the prosecution's detailed presentation, it got Durst nowhere. It's true the Defence doesn't have much to work with, but they've done nothing. They let Durst testify, ruining their chances of just sitting back and saying case not proven, and they've offered no alternative theory or exculpatory evidence. Who knows what the other Defence lawyer will come up, but it's hard to see how Durst can possibly get off. Hard to see how he got off murdering Morris too! He's a cold blooded serial murderer.
Deguerin says he and his fellow lawyers took on a case that others wouldn't touch. If it's so cut and dry Durst is innocent I would think others would be chomping at the bit to take his money.
@@Tom-lv2mv he destroyed Durst. It was a massacre. He kept him on the stand that long because he would’ve been derelict in his duty if he didn’t cover all of Durst’s lies and crimes. It was stunning to watch him take Durst to pieces. To paraphrase Balian, don’t confuse length with difficulty.
I don't think he killed susan. I think he hired someone to do it. He obviously killed Morris and I'm pretty sure he killed Kathleen but there just isn't enough evidence on any of these other than Morris.
I just think it's funny how Lewin is acting like a child and objects each time he doesn't like what he hears from Mr. Deguerin's mouth from his closing argument. I don't remember hearing Mr Deguerin ever wasting the courts time objecting each time time he didn't like what he heard from the prosecution mouth.
He literally objected to nearly every question during Durst’s cross examination, despite being overruled repeatedly AND knowing the objection had no merit. He’s making unethical statements in this closing, and Lewin is right to object.
Any of you watch the auditor videos? Lewin reminds me so much of Glenn Cerio with his complaints, whining and erroneous suppositions - "If I did it, I'd be in trouble;" "I'm being treated unfairly;" "You're thinking xxx;" "You should be doing yyy"
I am listening Mr. DeGuerin with all my fully attention. His strategy is to split this case in three parts. Dissparition of Kathy Durst, Susan Berman murder and accidentally death of Mr. Morris Blake and his dismembering. Mr. DeGuerin wish to focus attention of Jury of these case, separately with any relation between them and with Mr. Durst. But life is made by seconds, hours, days, months, years during the persons in a relation release feelings, do actions and collect different memories and frustation, angry, mercy, fear. He neglects just this main topic. Mr. Durst was deeply involved in these relations and he tried to exclude everyone who know more about his facts.
He called Nick Chavin Nick Saban by mistake :0 Shows where his mind is, get this thing over and get back to NCAA football on his Saturdays. Unfortunately Nick Saban's Crimson Tide will hand his beloved Longhorns the same kind of but kicking Lewin is handing him now. I like DeGuerin but time to retire gracefully and spend some time with those fine young grandsons. Auburn Tiger, and Florida Gator fan here.
When did Mr. L become the judge? And Yes! Mr. Lewin your just a “big boy”, but no gent from the south! I’m a native CA and you are the epitome of what Calif men have become, big baby boys!
Love John Lewin. I love the way he holds these Texas “good ol boys’” feet to the flame. It’s probably one of the only times DeGuerin has been held accountable for bad behavior. Lewin’s right, DeGuerin’s closing was a performance to win over the jury. Too often DeGuerin lies and twists truths in the hopes no one calls him on it. The defense has met their match in Lewin who does not miss any of their shenanigans. And Mr DeGuerin? Lawyering is only an honorable profession when it’s done honorably. Looking at your list of clients, (David Koresh, Tom Delay, Kenneth Lay and Jeff Skilling of Enron) your honor is debatable.
Too often DeGuerin lies and twists truths. Yep, he's basically paid to lie and cover up for boberto. Only someone who has sold their soul for cold hard cash would defend someone like durst, no one with a conscience would. He also defended david temple
@@hellok7877 You are right. But when a lawyer lies about, omits, minimizes and twists the truth? That’s not defending your client. That’s endangering the public. DeGuerin got away with it in Galveston but it’s a whole new ballgame for him and Durst in LA.
I think both defense and the prosecutor did a good job in their closing. It was smart from the the state to switch Lewin in the closing. De Guerin could have been more forceful but he does make good substantive points.
Lewin is doing the rebuttal. Lewin is a fantastic cold case layer. He’s very passionate about this case he’s familiarized himself for many years he can even imitate BD as was seen in his BD interview in LA
Mr. DeGuerin, i ask you directly. If you was in the place of Mr. Durst you would desmembering a dead or anyway human body instead screaming to the Police, screaming for help you, if you was attacked? Or you would write a cadaver note instead to get out on the streets for helping your best friend? You would capable to leave the house of your best friend, maybe alive??? You could exclude all the possibilities to find a car, an emergrncy, a neighbour, a police station if you would run far away for doing this??? Mr. DeGuerin, you touch the empathy of the Jury, but you would do all these first steps without do anything for inform the Police for what do you see, the first one, you!!!? Answer, please, if you are able to do all these things! You, who are a texan with fire in your heart and terribly warm in your soul and kind and emphatic with all, rich or poor! Tell me, please! And forget to be attorney defence for this man. Don't cry ever for him, just for his poor mother. Yes, you can cry for his mother!
Listen to me, please! It is one evidence enough for incriminating Mr. Durst. He denied many times he had written that paper with misspelled Beverly... That cadavre not is the most important thing in this case. He denied using a clear tone of his voice, but in this trial he came with details related to that cadaver note and circumstances. He saw or not Susan? It is enough to his incrimination! Susan must be assessed in relation with Kathie and Morris Blake. I am thinking that never somebody could split this case in three different.
John Lewin is an insufferable bullfart. Seriously, if this jury comes back with a "not guilty" verdict it will be solely due to Lewin's constant aggressiveness, manipulating statements and general unprofessional behavior towards the judge, the opposing counsel and the witnesses. Thanking my lucky stars that H. Balian did the closing arguments for this case. He's immeasurably more professional, cohesive and palatable than his co-counsel. My hat is off to you, Mr. Balian. It's a shame Lewin didn't let you do MORE of the questioning throughout this parade of chaos. 👏
@@jegpad All that means is that Lewin will have one final chance to grab defeat from the jaws of victory that Balian has so succinctly set up. Never has an ego been so adept at the art of self-sabotage as John Lewin's is. ("Blah blah blah ... something about "never losing cases". Don't even bother with that old chestnut. # weak 😄)
Judge should have put Lewin in the cells for the night.......no.1 for that ridiculous outburst, no.2 for having the nerve to be so bloody annoying. I'd have recused myself from the jury months ago rather than listen to the man.
There’s no evidence she was in therapy. Durst tried to claim it was drug rehab, but investigative journalists have said that Lennox Hill Hospital didn’t have drug rehab at the time. She could have used therapy, but it was most likely not an option for her.
If DeGuerin gets Bob off again, I'm officially going to law school. Whether Bob is innocent or not, DeGuerin will be a Hall of Famer.. The guy is literally 80 years old and stood for 100% of his examinations. Meanwhile Lewin had to sit down b/c it was more convenient..? Wtf..
Lewin has a disability. I don’t know exactly what, but he wears hearing aids and has had to wear catheters in court. He’s gotten permission to sit and remove his jacket at times. I’m sorry you see accommodations as disrespectful.
@@jegpad Defense doesn't even have to make an effort, cuz there's nothing but hearsay and second hand opinions that someone might have heard a quarter of a century ago. Lewin has been wasting everyones time, aggressively bullying people to take part in this circus. You know what happens when you waste the time of a law enforcer, you get thrown in jail. That's where that jackass of a Lewin belongs.
@@deannajack6755 I see no evidence of murder. He only wrote the note because he loved Susan, otherwise if he had killed her he wouldn't have wanted the authorities to be notified.
He was. One of the things he discussed was Susan's financial situation. She was behind on paying him (which he seemed fine with). She told him she was waiting for money from Bobby.
to be fair blood splatter science is pretty sketchy & not enough to base a verdict on. But bashing a form of evidence that the court ruled admissible as "junk" probably didn't go over well. He should have focused on what was supposedly wrong with the specific testimony, not whether a whole field is valid.
@@epoulos108 Time, place, and manner of Kathleen's death...any motive for Bob to kill Susan...any physical or witness testimony that the defendant killed Susan Berman (other than the state's cocamammy theory that Susan impersonated Kathleen's phone call).
@@jonnieinbangkok even if you don’t believe Susan made the phone call, despite ample evidence AND Bob admitting she made that statement numerous times, she assisted him in covering his role in Kathie’s death. That makes her a witness, which means the special circumstances applies. And the motive is preventing her from talking to investigators about it. That when the prosecution isn’t even required to prove motive.
I in no way think hes innocent but I feel like this prosecution seems like its over kill with this case. Like the DA eats breaths obsesses abt this case lol..
That’s what a good prosecutor SHOULD do. If I needed someone to prosecute my murderer, I would choose Lewin over anyone I’ve seen in nearly 40 years of trial watching.
He wasn’t a “sick old man” when he murdered and dismembered people people! Hope he lives a long painful life in prison.
Hope the jury are reminded he wasn't old then, glad there are plenty of photos as evidence to show him young without Ailments
@raga raga yes he likes where he’s at he enjoys living off the taxpayers like he did getting food stamps
THANK YOU SO MUCH LAW AND CRIME AND ADDI AND CREW FOR MAKING THIS POSSIBLE FOR US TO WATCH.
Durst has been enjoying this nasty cat and mice game for 39 years! Thanks to Lewin and his team, the game is OVER!
Oh, I certainly hope so!!!
As long as Bob's able to dial a phone or communicate with a fellow inmate, neither the Durst family nor the witnesses against him will be beyond his reach for the purpose of retribution and vengeance. He's also been the beneficiary of a personally constructed form of tribal loyalty that has denied justice to his victims and their families. Blind loyalty to him earned his victims a bullet in the head. If he walks away from this trial, as he told Nick Chauvin, it will be him or them. His body is shot, but his mania is relentless and fully funded.
I've watched a lot of trials over the last 10 or so years. Sometimes even thought I know the defendant is guilty the Defense in closing almost has me doubting. This defense is atrocious!!! No way he has convinced the jury he's innocent!! Just awful
@Kitty Kelly good money for defense..do they really care if he's guilty!? They can retire after this!
They would have been better off offering nothing from their side.
Durst’s case is nearly impossible to defend. Don’t confuse that fact with the competence of his attorneys. They have presented EVERYTHING that was available to them to create doubt. They attempted more than was allowed by the judge. I agree that part 1 of the closing argument was weak. I suspect that it was intentionally brief and focused on emotional appeal given the overbearing weight of circumstantial evidence and apparent guilt of their defendant. They are saving their stronger argument for Monday’s closing. It won’t be enough. Not because they are atrocious. The problem is insurmountable.
These lawyers didn’t need dursts money to retire these men are only playing here multi millionaires everyone on defence team
@@loonatticat can't change my mind atrocious
De Guerin is all over the place with this closing; almost like he's winging it for closing.
Using the same strategy as Galveston case. Hopefully this jury is more discerning.
He is so used to
Addressing a corrupt paid for court ie judges in Fup Texas
He is a terrible attorney up against real evidence and lawyers
He is too old too
His ego
Plus ancient technology
His body language is killing him
Sad closing of an senior lawyer end his career. It is a shame
@@lynnecampbell8418 You are right. DeGuerin is a one trick pony. In TX he was able to get away with it. L.A. is a whole new ballgame for him and Durst.
"If you did kill her, would you tell us?" is not a trick question. I don't understand why he didn't just lie and answer "Yes".
Because he’s proud of his murders. It’s the only thing he’s accomplished in his life.
It’s evident that De Guerin is past his prime, and it was difficult to watch him this time out.
Agreed
Agreed
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Totally
He stays with Bob because he loves the money he pays him
His brother should be paying double to make them convict him.
Yes...that's why it is important to watch people's behavior. The fact that Durst's brother hired security is a VERY telling piece of information for the jury. His own brother is afraid of him and knows that one has to protect themselves from anyone in Robert Durst's crosshairs.
With this guy change speed on settings to at least 1.5x & then thank me afterwards
Thank you!!!!
Ha I always play the defence at 1.5
Thanks
Robert Durst is the character out of psycho, Bates was a cross dressing serial killer, Im pretty sure hes seen the movie and decided to act it out in real life..
No Durst demonised himself with his action narcissistic personality and ego and tbh just because his lawyer likes him doesnt make an ounce of difference because im pretty sure the lawyer likes Durst s bank account a lot more!!!
Totally agree with you 👍🏻
Agree 100% . The geriatric old DeGuerin must be banking a fortune for his final years - what a hypocrite, he claims to be proud" to represent Durst and to know him !! (That is greedy lawyer speak - even for a past it old "has been" like DeGuerin ) for" I am ashamed to be doing this !!."
Mr. Lewin is right. Mr. Deguerin is used to being the top dog attorney in a Texas courtroom where this would definitely be overlooked. He doesn't know how to handle someone like Mr. Lewin. To be honest I expected more from him really. Even though he doesn't have much to work with.
never seen him before but this is just sad.....he doesn't seem to understand how modern people perceive domestic violence if he thinks it will work to downplay it as "a rough patch in a marriage"
20 years ago he was maybe worth the money, but DeGuerin is not the man he was 20 years ago, and should not have tried this case. He may have been the only one willing to, though.
Bob Loved every minute of the 14 days on the stand. He lives for trying to always get over on or fool EVERY ONE. Just like his dad, the food stamps, morris, shoplifting, etc.
He was asking for attention through his actions throughout his life. If he wasn't such an evil narcissist and hadn't loved the attention, he would have done the honourable and decent thing, admitted his guilt and told the McCormack family where Kathie lies. Horrible man, would have loved for him to be convicted for Kathies murder, too.
Have the Defence accidently given away the location of Kathys body??
They have just admitted that he went somewhere to look for biggger houses after the "first night" she didnt come home.
What are you betting thats where he dumped her body/parts
If John Lewis loses this trial, he’s going to need a straight jacket and Thorazine 😂
@@January. *who cares lol. You know what they meant.
@@kristenjustkristen9462 Who cares? You obviously do.
@@January. what a dumb argument
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@@January. why? Don’t you have anything more pressing to do?
This was better at 1.5x speed.
Give it a break about the sick old man. He didn't have to testify. I agree he doesn't look well. He sure has fight in him though. When his voice would get hoarse it made him seem weak. I wonder if he was using that as a tactic. He was conniving when he was younger and conniving as an old man.
The statement about him being 'different'. That's an understatement. .
His demeanor changed depending on who was asking the questions ... he didnt seem to have a hearing problem when his defense team were asking but WHAM suddenly he is deaf as a post .. he changed his posture to look weaker amongst other subtle changes. What sickened me the most was when he attempted to insinuate all his behaviours was due to being on the spectrum ... there is nothing this psychopath wont do ...
He really did have to testify. Lewin essentially left them no choice but to put him on the stand because it was the ONLY hope they had to counter his statements to Jarecki and Lewin. If, after the defense opening, they *didn’t* have him testify, then Lewin could have attacked the lawyers themselves for everything they said they would do, but didn’t. They were trapped. It was an absolutely stunning move on Lewin’s part.
Prosecutor is passionate and I give him credit for standing up to the unprofessionally presented arguments. Grasping at straws!!
this closing will not be taught in dugerins law class, D-
Said the one who didn’t finish high school…
@@westcoast2889 Said the one who didn't finish primary school...
@@westcoast2889 they wont be teaching it there either.
I think it will in how too destroy a fine attorney,with money,and old age 😐
If I was on that Jury I’d have confessed to the murder myself just to shut Lewin up.
Right!!!
Love it
I'd have stood up and swore I was your accomplice. Lol
As a Lewin fan I still couldn't stop myself laughing
Lewin loves to talk lol. He is a good prosecutor, but he could say what he wants to say in about 1/2 the time and lose none of its effect. In fact it would be more potent if he shaved off some of his repetition. DeGuerin needs more structure, jumps around too much.
Did this jury truly serve for a year and a half? Lots of props to them! Wow!
No. The jury was assembled early last year and served for a week (opening arguments), but then the trial was postponed for 14 months. They started the case up again in mid/late May of this year. So technically they've been "in court" four days a week for roughly 4 months in total.
@@pixielou3000 thanks for explaining…still def a long trial to sit on for the jury
I found the first part of the trial on You Tube from over a year ago. (March of 2020). The original openings and some testimony. Unfortunately, the one or two days of testimony were in audio only. Opening were on video. I believe this is the same jury from March of 2020 when the trial was postponed because of the pandemic.
I LOVE JUDGE WYNDAM !! hes very chill and entertaining and amazing as a judge
Has an enormous ego; it’s very off putting. He needs to rule by the law and quit making excuses for DeGuerrin’s unprofessional conduct. This would never fly in front of another judge
@@wordsleuth992 I completely agree, he’s obviously biased to the defence team. He is so disrespectful in the way he treats Lewin. Professional jealousy perhaps….
Correct and he is a big personality and has much humor. I love this Judge.
Best part was him waiting to hear how Bob went jogging while wearing a wig before making DeGuerin move along with the questioning 😂
You know, it’s funny, because if you listen to his statements outside of the jury’s presence, it’s clear he absolutely thinks Durst is guilty. He literally called this a “confession case” rather than a circumstantial one, and he said he knew Durst had perjured himself.
He IS a bit hard on Lewin, but I think, honestly, it’s because they both enjoy the challenge. He actually defers to Lewin’s expertise on matters of case law.
I think the reason he is somewhat lenient with the defense, has even “helped” them in some instances (“make a different objection”) is because he didn’t want any chance to have his decisions overturned on appeal. DeGuerin and Chesnoff are not CA lawyers. They are poorly educated on CA case law. Windham has tried to make sure that their ignorance in some areas isn’t grounds for claiming incompetent defense later on.
All judges have an ego. It comes with the territory. But he’s actually one of the most reasonable ones I’ve ever had the pleasure of watching.
Thanks for sharing the trial. It was anxiety provoking to watch Lewin most days but the closing prosecutor was more than tolerable and did a great job. I also felt the defense attorney did a great job today.
Let's not beat around the bush here. DeGuerin is a f😑cking dishonest piece of human trash. That he met his match and demise so late in his career is quite sad
@@wernercolyn892
I disagree. Defense attorneys are not their clients. I wouldn’t ever call them trash for doing their jobs. If we didn’t have them we would be in big trouble. I may not agree with who they are representing but to demonize them for defending any citizen, regardless of what we think, is wrong. I can see being angry when they are seemingly so behind their clients but they can lose their licenses for not defending vigorously. This defense attorney is doing exactly what he swore he would do.
@@dianac2498 I agree and they should defend vigorously- hold the state to its burden etc etc but so often the victim is demonized- just pulverized with accusations and when there is zero corroboration? It’s disgusting.
@@laradesautel3013
Yeah that’s never good to do and I agree. The Travis Alexander case was like that but I think most of it came from the defendant there too. I’m not hearing too much from them on Kathi or Susan other than to say they weren’t perfect people. Bob bashed but his attorney just said they weren’t perfect. This seems reasonable since no one is perfect but after we die we become that way somehow. Doing coke in the 80’s was practically a norm for example.
@@dianac2498 @Lara Desautel they're doing a good job defending alright, but @Werner Colyn is right. They cannot by rules allow a client lie on the stand, risking disbarment if caught. They absolutely broke that rule, among several other rules that are way over the boarder of being improper.
DeGuerin himself explained what he thinks about lying on the stand in NBC's dateline episode "Robert Durst: The Secret Tapes". Listen to what he says, he absolutely is dishonest and uses dishonesty as part of a strategy. The "piece of human trash" can be inferred.
Deguerin is always trying to push the limits hoping opposing sides will not catch his lies and object to his misleading facts of the case.
Terrible beginning to defense closing. Very disjointed and confusing. Unfortunately for defense the prosecution has shown all the lies Bob has told in his own words in audio , written form and videotape.
I don’t think this defense will convince a jury unless they are as stupid as the Texas jury. Let’s hope bit.
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@@Hunter.888 I never could be enjoyed of a person who get in prison. I hope in a better world. Unfortunately, humanity has any progress in a better life inside his wall, his house or school, or jobs. In this case, domestic violence is not only a simple word, it collects the screaming of children, wife, grandparents or men who live in terror, maybe all their life. It is not depends of money, it is about characters and personalities togheter transforming a life in a toxic environment.
The Court: "Stop shouting...stop shouting...Mr. Lewin sit down...SIT DOWN!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂
Jury wasn't present..who cares
Lewin was more than 1 time very disrespectful to the judge. He is arrogant-
Very disrespectful, I couldn’t believe how he spoke to the judge and downgraded the defense attorney on his age. Very childish!
@@clajoneslaw1982 Yep...Lewin is a bully!
Did anyone else think Mr. DeGuerin was about to cry in the first minute of his closing?
Yes.
Yep and it almost made me cry.
Yeah, I choked up.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nothing but a money grabber. Bob was going to confess years ago to Lewin before this guy found out. I have no respect for him. Go watch the over 2 hr interview on TH-cam last 20 min when he ready until he left to talk to his money grabbing attorney
This is shameful. Durst chose to testify. The prosecution cross examined him…which by the way mostly took nine days due to his “reading the questions” aka “buying time to answer”. Durst lied so sloppily that every lie led to at least ten more questions. I know the defense is just doing their job and they don’t have a lot to work with but this is beyond desperate.
Hilarious at the end 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Bob durst knew what he was getting into, and not once did he act exasperated
Like lewin was a challenge for him
Durst LOVED the sparring ...it will keep him smiling the rest of his evil days in prison.
I am not sure what the verdict will be. We are told that how believable 'witness' testimony is what determines guilt or innocent. The State had many believable witnesses in my opinion who testified that Susan Berman told a number of people that Durst was involved with Cathy's murder. There was also evidence that Durst knew the authorities wanted to speak with Susan. There were other witnesses who testified that Durst himself said he killed Susan.....If the jury believes those witnesses then I believe he will be found guilty.
Over-whelming evidence Durst did it, laid out really clearly by the first Prosecution closing statement. I was worried Lewin had muddied the waters by going after every lie and inconsistency no matter how irrelevant, but it was properly pulled together in the end. Degurin was terrible, looked ill-prepared and only had one substantial point about one of Durst's confessions (to Chauvin). Weighed against the prosecution's detailed presentation, it got Durst nowhere. It's true the Defence doesn't have much to work with, but they've done nothing. They let Durst testify, ruining their chances of just sitting back and saying case not proven, and they've offered no alternative theory or exculpatory evidence. Who knows what the other Defence lawyer will come up, but it's hard to see how Durst can possibly get off. Hard to see how he got off murdering Morris too! He's a cold blooded serial murderer.
He was acquitted in Texas because back then DeGuerin WAS better, and the prosecution was atrocious. The DA there did an almost ludicrously inept job.
REMEMBER I WROTE IT = NOT QUILTY VERDICT DAY 2 OF DELIBERATIONS
Deguerin says he and his fellow lawyers took on a case that others wouldn't touch. If it's so cut and dry Durst is innocent I would think others would be chomping at the bit to take his money.
These scumbags would represent Ted Bundy if the price was right
I really like Lewin.
Wow... deGuerin gettin' old... I can't wait until this trial is over! Let's hope Durst is sentenced before he dies of old age!!
and has to pay some of his millions to those he has wronged.
I wonder if Kathy’s family ever got money from Durst in the wrongful death case.
Im going to miss this trial.
I listened to DeGuerin at 1.5x speed … so much better!
Jeez. I think I just lost most of my brain cells trying to listen to this guy! What is he even saying??? 😵💫
Omgosh. He’s the one with that disgusting cough for years. Sends me to the stratosphere 🙄
Lewin did a great job and he feels confident so WHY does he argue petty stuff?? Jurors do NOT like cocky lawyers .
Is that why he's never lost a case? Because jurors don't like him?
Stakes are high. After 39 years on the run, he doesn’t want him to walk the streets again.
@@epoulos108 the guy CAN'T walk so it a done deal already!🤣🤣🤣
He can't be that confident if he kept Durst for 9 days on the stand
@@Tom-lv2mv he destroyed Durst. It was a massacre. He kept him on the stand that long because he would’ve been derelict in his duty if he didn’t cover all of Durst’s lies and crimes. It was stunning to watch him take Durst to pieces. To paraphrase Balian, don’t confuse length with difficulty.
Starts at 11:30
@ 11:40 😉
My goodness if you watch the recorders expressions you can tell she’s not buying the defence lol
I don't think he killed susan. I think he hired someone to do it. He obviously killed Morris and I'm pretty sure he killed Kathleen but there just isn't enough evidence on any of these other than Morris.
Go back to sleep
then what are we to make of the "i killed them all of course" comment?
@@tempestnz1O K. Goodnight
@@stevetrivago Lol, too funny !! That's a Good One!!
I’m glad you are not on the jury! If anyone thinks he’s innocent they have not watched the jinx or the entire trial.
I just think it's funny how Lewin is acting like a child and objects each time he doesn't like what he hears from Mr. Deguerin's mouth from his closing argument. I don't remember hearing Mr Deguerin ever wasting the courts time objecting each time time he didn't like what he heard from the prosecution mouth.
He literally objected to nearly every question during Durst’s cross examination, despite being overruled repeatedly AND knowing the objection had no merit. He’s making unethical statements in this closing, and Lewin is right to object.
1:20:30 🎆🎇🎆🎇Wow FIREWORKS BETWEEN PROSECUTOR AND JUDGE
How can Mr. DeGuerin be proud to defend a serial killer who also dismembered someone??
Clerk at the hardware store when Bob Durst' walks in. "Hey, it's the bow saw guy!"
Lewin: “ Wha wha wha he doesn’t deserve my respect so I’m not giving it” 👶🍼
Mr. DeGuerin, i ask you directly would you have done the same if your wife had disappeared?
Any of you watch the auditor videos? Lewin reminds me so much of Glenn Cerio with his complaints, whining and erroneous suppositions - "If I did it, I'd be in trouble;" "I'm being treated unfairly;" "You're thinking xxx;" "You should be doing yyy"
U rock Lewin!!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Bob is a 😈 demon
Omg it’s painful 😣 Durst has money 💰 don’t have this Texan representing you , sure stay loyal but he sounds bored now
I am listening Mr. DeGuerin with all my fully attention. His strategy is to split this case in three parts. Dissparition of Kathy Durst, Susan Berman murder and accidentally death of Mr. Morris Blake and his dismembering.
Mr. DeGuerin wish to focus attention of Jury of these case, separately with any relation between them and with Mr. Durst.
But life is made by seconds, hours, days, months, years during the persons in a relation release feelings, do actions and collect different memories and frustation, angry, mercy, fear.
He neglects just this main topic. Mr. Durst was deeply involved in these relations and he tried to exclude everyone who know more about his facts.
He called Nick Chavin Nick Saban by mistake :0 Shows where his mind is, get this thing over and get back to NCAA football on his Saturdays. Unfortunately Nick Saban's Crimson Tide will hand his beloved Longhorns the same kind of but kicking Lewin is handing him now. I like DeGuerin but time to retire gracefully and spend some time with those fine young grandsons. Auburn Tiger, and Florida Gator fan here.
When did Mr. L become the judge? And Yes! Mr. Lewin your just a “big boy”, but no gent from the south! I’m a native CA and you are the epitome of what Calif men have become, big baby boys!
Casey Anthony is free because the jury hated the prosecutor.
the prosecution in that case sucked, this one was great
Love John Lewin. I love the way he holds these Texas “good ol boys’” feet to the flame. It’s probably one of the only times DeGuerin has been held accountable for bad behavior. Lewin’s right, DeGuerin’s closing was a performance to win over the jury. Too often DeGuerin lies and twists truths in the hopes no one calls him on it. The defense has met their match in Lewin who does not miss any of their shenanigans. And Mr DeGuerin? Lawyering is only an honorable profession when it’s done honorably. Looking at your list of clients, (David Koresh, Tom Delay, Kenneth Lay and Jeff Skilling of Enron) your honor is debatable.
Too often DeGuerin lies and twists truths. Yep, he's basically paid to lie and cover up for boberto. Only someone who has sold their soul for cold hard cash would defend someone like durst, no one with a conscience would. He also defended david temple
@@infinite8382 everyone is allowed a defence, even you if you decide to go and murder one day
He likes to get the bad guys off.
@@epoulos108 Exactly! And he’s very happy to take their money in the process! Honorable profession my @ss……
@@hellok7877 You are right. But when a lawyer lies about, omits, minimizes and twists the truth? That’s not defending your client. That’s endangering the public. DeGuerin got away with it in Galveston but it’s a whole new ballgame for him and Durst in LA.
Yeah he doesn't know what other incriminating evidence is in the house lol
I'm sure Lewin will bring that up. Not that it's the only reasonable explanation, but it's by no means evidence of innocence.
I think both defense and the prosecutor did a good job in their closing. It was smart from the the state to switch Lewin in the closing. De Guerin could have been more forceful but he does make good substantive points.
Lewin is doing the rebuttal. Lewin is a fantastic cold case layer. He’s very passionate about this case he’s familiarized himself for many years he can even imitate BD as was seen in his BD interview in LA
@@leighann5308 Lewin
is very competent. but I did not like him keeping Durst on the stand that long and using all these hypotheticals
@@Tom-lv2mv hypotheticals are a completely reasonable way to cross examine someone. Lewin kept him on the stand, because Durst’s lies made it so.
Mr. DeGuerin, i ask you directly. If you was in the place of Mr. Durst you would desmembering a dead or anyway human body instead screaming to the Police, screaming for help you, if you was attacked? Or you would write a cadaver note instead to get out on the streets for helping your best friend? You would capable to leave the house of your best friend, maybe alive??? You could exclude all the possibilities to find a car, an emergrncy, a neighbour, a police station if you would run far away for doing this??? Mr. DeGuerin, you touch the empathy of the Jury, but you would do all these first steps without do anything for inform the Police for what do you see, the first one, you!!!?
Answer, please, if you are able to do all these things! You, who are a texan with fire in your heart and terribly warm in your soul and kind and emphatic with all, rich or poor! Tell me, please! And forget to be attorney defence for this man. Don't cry ever for him, just for his poor mother. Yes, you can cry for his mother!
Lewin telling the Judge what to do really!!
Even Deguerin (or however you spell it) can't get the story straight. Also he seems to be choking on all the lies.
Love the Judge telling Lewin off
Yesss ! 😀 very good Judge Windham.
Listen to me, please! It is one evidence enough for incriminating Mr. Durst. He denied many times he had written that paper with misspelled Beverly... That cadavre not is the most important thing in this case. He denied using a clear tone of his voice, but in this trial he came with details related to that cadaver note and circumstances. He saw or not Susan? It is enough to his incrimination! Susan must be assessed in relation with Kathie and Morris Blake. I am thinking that never somebody could split this case in three different.
John Lewin is an insufferable bullfart. Seriously, if this jury comes back with a "not guilty" verdict it will be solely due to Lewin's constant aggressiveness, manipulating statements and general unprofessional behavior towards the judge, the opposing counsel and the witnesses.
Thanking my lucky stars that H. Balian did the closing arguments for this case. He's immeasurably more professional, cohesive and palatable than his co-counsel. My hat is off to you, Mr. Balian. It's a shame Lewin didn't let you do MORE of the questioning throughout this parade of chaos. 👏
"Insufferable bullfart" may be the most amazingly accurate character assessment of that guy that I've ever seen. 😆😂
Lewin is yet to close, saving the best for last. He'll show the dinosaurs up. Go bulldog!
@@jegpad All that means is that Lewin will have one final chance to grab defeat from the jaws of victory that Balian has so succinctly set up.
Never has an ego been so adept at the art of self-sabotage as John Lewin's is.
("Blah blah blah ... something about "never losing cases". Don't even bother with that old chestnut. # weak 😄)
Agree. Balian's direct of Mella Kaufman was masterful and the key to the case.
Omg!!! He's still talking. 'Insufferable bullfart' is putting it waaaaay more nicely than what I'm thinking.
The judge is incompetent.
Judge should have put Lewin in the cells for the night.......no.1 for that ridiculous outburst, no.2 for having the nerve to be so bloody annoying. I'd have recused myself from the jury months ago rather than listen to the man.
Lewin is very arrogant .
Is it a stretch to think Cathy could've been taking therapy to live with Bob?
There’s no evidence she was in therapy. Durst tried to claim it was drug rehab, but investigative journalists have said that Lennox Hill Hospital didn’t have drug rehab at the time. She could have used therapy, but it was most likely not an option for her.
If DeGuerin gets Bob off again, I'm officially going to law school. Whether Bob is innocent or not, DeGuerin will be a Hall of Famer..
The guy is literally 80 years old and stood for 100% of his examinations. Meanwhile Lewin had to sit down b/c it was more convenient..? Wtf..
If Bobby walks he he can send a joke present for Christmas to Lewin ......a brand-new Bow Saw 😸
Lewin has a disability. I don’t know exactly what, but he wears hearing aids and has had to wear catheters in court. He’s gotten permission to sit and remove his jacket at times. I’m sorry you see accommodations as disrespectful.
MAY BE she was not happy /// lots lots of problems /// she escaped starting simple life somewhere else
Lewin can say goodbye to his carreer after this.
Say that after he wins
@@jegpad Defense doesn't even have to make an effort, cuz there's nothing but hearsay and second hand opinions that someone might have heard a quarter of a century ago. Lewin has been wasting everyones time, aggressively bullying people to take part in this circus. You know what happens when you waste the time of a law enforcer, you get thrown in jail. That's where that jackass of a Lewin belongs.
@@Doppe1ganger wholeheartedly agree
doubt
Lewin hates it when he don’t get his own way
*when he doesn't
he is arrogant
Is the ghosts of kathy Morris and susan are messing with the defences 😮
I'm 100% convinced Bobby is Innocent of all alleged crimes! Pray He gets found NOT GUILTY!
Are you watching same trial as I am ?
@@deannajack6755 I see no evidence of murder. He only wrote the note because he loved Susan, otherwise if he had killed her he wouldn't have wanted the authorities to be notified.
@@CrimeCircus why didn't he just call 911...why even write that note. Nope he totally did it and deserve to be in jail.
Troll
@@jegpad who me??
Go Lewin!! He is not going to let the texan attorneys have a hay day. Good on him.
was every witness shown in these videos ?. I dont remember seeing Susan's hairdresser being interviewed, which was in the prosecution closing.
He was. One of the things he discussed was Susan's financial situation. She was behind on paying him (which he seemed fine with). She told him she was waiting for money from Bobby.
Tup, some witnesses were on months back. U will find them all on utube
@@speakupify ok, I couldnt find him in the playlist.
Oh he looks like he's gonna cry..bye Deguerrin!!!!
That's funny.
Lewin says what he likes
Blood science is junk evidence? Lol
to be fair blood splatter science is pretty sketchy & not enough to base a verdict on. But bashing a form of evidence that the court ruled admissible as "junk" probably didn't go over well. He should have focused on what was supposedly wrong with the specific testimony, not whether a whole field is valid.
I don't think the state has met its burden of proof, but Degeirn's closing was very weak; he's definitely lost a step or three.
What is missing in the state’s case?
@@epoulos108 Time, place, and manner of Kathleen's death...any motive for Bob to kill Susan...any physical or witness testimony that the defendant killed Susan Berman (other than the state's cocamammy theory that Susan impersonated Kathleen's phone call).
@@jonnieinbangkok time: January 31, 1982. Place: South Salem House. Manner: possibly not premeditated, but the manner beyond “homicide” is irrelevant.
@@jonnieinbangkok even if you don’t believe Susan made the phone call, despite ample evidence AND Bob admitting she made that statement numerous times, she assisted him in covering his role in Kathie’s death. That makes her a witness, which means the special circumstances applies. And the motive is preventing her from talking to investigators about it. That when the prosecution isn’t even required to prove motive.
I in no way think hes innocent but I feel like this prosecution seems like its over kill with this case. Like the DA eats breaths obsesses abt this case lol..
That’s what a good prosecutor SHOULD do. If I needed someone to prosecute my murderer, I would choose Lewin over anyone I’ve seen in nearly 40 years of trial watching.
The Prosecution have failed to prove this case
How have they failed?
Sit down!
Lewin is making me root for Durst.
Ivd been saying this... he seems obsessed with Durst...
Is that all lewin going to do he is a sad excuse for a da
Cry lewin cry lewin
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Yeah get over it Morris Blackman family, he was shot dead and you didn’t need his head to bury his parts like a jigsaw !
Lewin is talking crap
Her gaudy mask looks awful.
Free this man
Yes and on Christmas Sir Bobby can send Lewin a fun present .....a new Bow Saw 🤓
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