90% of reactors are scared copycats, who don't dare to try anything fresh. They just copy what others do, it's like a science of "lowest possible risk" for them. Because they are afraid the algorithm will abandon them if they choose a "wrong" movie. Maybe larger channels can take more risks. It's dumb, there's so many good movies and 90% of channels just recycles same boring things. Nowadays there's an interesting reaction very rarely (including all reactors)
Munich, along with Chariots of Fire and I Tonya, were 1-2-3 in her Olympic's poll. Cassie only picks a few movies a month herself, most everything she reacts to is decided by her patron polls.
To quote another film: "Revenge is never a straight line. It's a forest, and like a forest it's easy to lose your way ... to get lost ... to forget where you came in."
@@nataliestclair6176Exactly. I am disgusted by the false moral equivalencies in these comments. Arab Muslims have been trying to wipe Jewish people and Israel from the earth forever. The Jewish people are seeking justice from terror and defending themselves. If Arab Muslims would STOP trying to genocide the Jewish people and wipe Israel from their ancient homeland there would be peace.
They killed the female assassin with zip guns, sometimes called slam guns. These are improvised firearms. Besides being more quiet in this situation, because of the low velocity, they also look like less of a professional job and maybe something done by gangs or hoodlums. Every single one of their targets was done in a different way so that a pattern might not make them suspicious.
That wasn't a zip gun. It was a specifically designed assassination weapon developed by the British in the late 40s/early 50s to look like a bicycle pump. Most were made in some variation of .22 short but they also occasionally show up in .32acp or very rarely in .380 (or equivalent, depending on who built them). The small calibers used weren't chosen to obfuscate the intention of the murder-- the common silencers of the time used leather or rubber wipers which tend to leave a lot of debris in the wound channels and on skin-- but because it was discovered during WW2 that .380 acp was the largest common round at the time that could be completely silenced in a small enough package to be used in covert assassination, and frankly even that was pushing it.
The news footage used was the actual Olympic broadcast footage. Jim McKay was the TV journalist who broke the news to all of the USA about the terrible events of the Munich massacre. He was on the air for fourteen hours without a break. With the utmost grace and respect he told the nation what had transpired. His beautiful and haunting words forever burned into our minds -- When I was a kid my father used to say "Our greatest hopes and out worst fears are seldom realized." Our worst fears have been realized tonight. They have now said there were 11 hostages; two were killed in their rooms this morn-- yesterday morning, nine were killed at the airport tonight. They're all gone.
McKay got a message from legendary journalist Walter Cronkite after his coverage, congratulating him on such a heartbreaking task. Normally, sports reporters don't cover real-life news.
I remember seeing the sports/news that day when this was originally broadcast. I was 13 at the time and I had just gotten into watching the Olympics, as this was the first one I was old enough to appreciate.
Fun Fact: Guri Weinberg played his own father. He is the son of Moshe Weinberg, the Israeli wrestling referee and former champion, who died in the massacre when Guri was just one month old. Also, I'm so glad you reacted to this film! This film is what made me want to learn about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Munich massacre.
American swimmer Mark Spitz was the star of the 1972 Olympics, winning seven gold medals. His events had ended by the time this took place but because he was Jewish, he went home.
Yes. The usually immaculate Jim McKay, looking haggard, then saying "they're all gone." I hadn't thought about that moment in decades. But when I saw that Cassie was watching an Olympic movie about Munich, that moment immediately came flooding back. 😢
The last scene of an Israeli refusing to break bread with the Sabra who left his country because of what it did to him, which is then followed by the final shot of the Twin Towers, AMAZING. One of Spielberg's greatest and most complicated films, which despite its complications still manages to drive home the very simple point that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
GOATED suspense scenes too, something that almost goes without saying for Spielberg. Munich is probably the fastest feeling nearly-three hour movie I've ever seen
@@davidsumner7604 I think Munich is a better movie on every level. Even taken by itself as a genre picture, The Dark Knight falls completely flat in its last third compared to how outstanding everything before it was. I can't even compare it to Heat, its style inspiration, let alone Munich. Then again TDK isn't even a top three Nolan for me, but I'm still glad you and so many people enjoy it so much! :)
I diagree. I think it's one of his weakest. It doesn't really say anything that hasn't been said a hundred times before, including in the original version, Sword of Gideon. That's why the Israeli reactions was largely, "meh".
Oh I know! That one bedroom scene is great with him (the one with his family). I remember hearing he was in the running to be James Bond but instead Daniel Craig got the role. I was definitely weirded out by the choice at first but I’m glad I was proven wrong.
@@jeffe_77Seeing as the birth takes place in Athens, Greece; and the parents are German/Jewish - the birth won’t cost anything. There’s only really the USA who charges people to have babies. Land of the free & all.
@@jeffe_77 Well childbirth in USA back in 1972 was between $750 -$1000 and much cheaper in Israel, so even if their Govt would not pay the expenses, his stipend more than covered it
I see this done a lot by Americans. The last 4 monts ive seen 5 posts or more where its some story from 60+ years ago or more...and they always go... that's an awful pay..and im.like.....eh thats crazy money right there. A think there was a western where some American said that...and it was about 300-400.000 dollars today on some guys head or something like that.. its like they dont get money and what it means when you bring Inflation into it. Like why would it be hard to understand why 1000 dollars was a lot of money in the 20s ? You also have the indian and Pakistani Channel where a guy says wow, i love this luxury chocolate bar but I'll never be able to buy it myself. And some American goes... Its a Mars Bar or its a Sprite or whatever. How can they not jist get that at any news stand. Well they could but they would prefer getting 15-20 bars of some local chocolate bar and be able to pay for food for the whole family as well. A MacD meal is luxury to some people.
haha in my head 1972 was 30 years ago and i didn’t think it was equal to that much! Then, sadly i realize that was actually 50 years ago!!! and that makes more sense! I
I was just a little kid, but remember we all sat around as a family to watch the Olympics and instead we saw terrorists running around wearing masks. I didn't understand it, but it was my indoctrination into the violent world. Those games had some of the greatest moments in Olympic history, Mark Spitz, Olga Corbut, Dave Wottle, USA Basketball getting a game stolen from them, Dan Gable, Frank Shorter, all overshadowed by this tragedy.
I was 13 at the time and deeply into watching the Olympic coverage. It is still seared in my memory, even now at 65. A horrible event, much of it occurring on live TV.
People watch sports to feel emotions like hope, inspiration, pride, courage, and awe. When sports and tragedy collide -- as in Munich in 1972, or in Atlanta in 1996 -- there's something really jarring about it, like two worlds colliding that should be kept far apart.
The point of the ending, was his contact treated him better than his own countryman. It is a thing in their culture to have to accept an invitation to dinner. And when he was told no, when "father" would have said yes, he felt like he was used by his government and that confirmed it. He lost his home and he dragged his family into that with him.
I didn't know Mark Slavic and I were born on the same day. I was captain of my high school wrestling team and was waiting to watch the event when this all went down. It's an eye for an eye until everyone is left blind.
Mark Slavin was the youngest to be killed, he was 18. He had moved to Israel just four months before the Olympic games. He was born in Minsk, Belarus SSR, and had taken up wrestling as a youth to defend himself against anti-Semitic attacks.
Not cancelling the Games after the deaths of the Israeli athletes was quite controversial. The Munich games were the first to be held in Germany since the '36 Games in Berlin, the so-called Nazi Games. It was hoped that the Munich Olympics would be seen that Germany had changed since Berlin but the terrorist attack tainted those efforts.
*As a consequence of the mismanagement of the Olympic tragedy, the West German government created the GSG 9 under the leadership of then Oberstleutnant Ulrich Wegener so that similar situations in the future could be responded to adequately and professionally. Many German politicians opposed its formation, fearing GSG 9 would rekindle memories of the Nazi Party's Schutzstaffel (SS). The decision was taken to form the unit from the Federal Border Guard (Bundesgrenzschutz), as opposed to the military similar to equivalent forces in other countries, on the ground that German federal law expressly forbids the use of the military forces against the civilian population. Composing the special force from police personnel would avoid that. The unit was officially established on 26 September 1972 as a part of Germany's federal police agency, the Bundesgrenzschutz (BGS; Federal Border Guard, renamed Bundespolizei or Federal Police in 2005). The then-BGS did have something of a paramilitary nature, used military ranks (until 1976), had combatant status (until 1994), and can (at least theoretically) draw conscripts (presently). Many other countries have various anti-terrorist units based on GSG-9. After renaming the Bundesgrenzschutz to Bundespolizei in 2005, the abbreviation "GSG 9" was kept because of the fame of the unit even though Border Guard Units became obsolete. The official way to refer to the unit is GSG9 der Bundespolizei (abbreviated GSG9 BPOL or GSG9).* ⬅⚠⬅🤔
Actually, it was the IOC's decision to continue the games, not the German government's. I still think it is somewhat questionable, because of course the Israeli sports delegation left, and so in a way Israel was punished in the Olympic competition for being targeted. On the other hand, stopping the games then would have given more attention and weight to the terrorists' cause, and thus would have been an even greater victory for them.
The Germans had nothing to do with the decision. So if there was controversy, it was only because people are stupid I guess. The Olympic Committee made that decision so if people wanted to complain, they should have complained against the IOC. Had nothing to do with whether or not "Germans had changed" 😂
Munich is an important, powerful, gut-wrenching film, but Cool Runnings is a more Olympics-focused story and might be a nice, light palette-cleanser. Food for thought 🤓
@@SteveVdw Evil has an expiration date, and I think we are getting closer to it, which is why so much truth is being revealed now. We cycle through different agees and this dark age will end
I love that in addition to a future Bond this has a past Bond villain actor (Lonsdale/Drax from Moonraker)and a future one (the skinny French guy from Quantum Of Solace)
You know what, when I first saw this film when it came out I though “oh wow, that’s Drax” (Moonraker was one of the first Bond movies I watched, and was a favourite for a while), but upon subsequent watches of Munich, post Quantum of Solace, I didn’t make that connection until you just mentioned it… but then again, QoS is awful, so that’s understandable 😂
I love that the film Ronin (1998) in addition to being awesome, has THREE Bond villains: Michael Lonsdale (Moonraker), Sean Bean (GoldenEye), and Jonathan Pryce (Tomorrow Never Dies).
Golda Meir was the Israeli prime minister at the time this happened. She actually was a schoolteacher in Milwaukee for years before moving to the new nation of Israel. One of the other plans the terrorist supposedly had was to fly a plane into the crowd for the opening ceremonies in a stadium that held 80,000 people.
I have been told that my great aunt Sarah was a childhood friend of Golda in Milwaukee. I have no way to verify this though. But they lived in the same area at the same time in Milwaukee. Golda moved to Israel. My great aunt moved to California.
The shot where both the original balcony footage that was on television AND the recreated shot from behind within the apartment are BOTH in frame is so eerie and perfect.
I ran in the 1972 Olympic Trials and didn’t make the team. At the time I was crushed, but as the events of that Olympics unfolded I ended up feeling grateful and relieved I didn’t make it!!!😂
I was a little kid and didn’t completely understand what was happening at the time, but I will never forget that image of the terrorist on the balcony of the Olympic Village
This is probably Spielberg's darkest and most cynical movie. Catch Me If You can is the polar opposite if you're looking for a great Spielberg antidote to balance out the tension
The Honey Trap girl was killed using "zip guns", a.k.a. an improvised gun. They are popular among both criminals (because it's an unregistered firearm) but also undercover operatives because the guns are usually one-shot and disposable, or can be reloaded but still hold only one bullet, plus they usually don't have rifled barrels so they don't leave marks on the bullets that if recovered from a crime scene can be traced forensically. They're usually used to kill at very close range (one of the drawbacks of the barrel not being rifled is the bullet is less reliable to strike the target at long range). Also you notice they aren't nearly as loud as regular guns so again optimal for undercover operations when you don't want to draw attention to a crime being committed. Nowadays most zip guns are 3D-printed. Zip gins were especially popular with criminal street gangs in the 1940's.
The reason why such a gun is so quiet is that they are literally just a chamber and the rest is silencer. They are normally used with a small bullet like a .22 short with a reduced charge to make it even quieter, hence it did not 'blow her away'.
I think the best thing this movie shows is that each side believes they are right. And that this type of vengeance and revenge only breeds more of the same. It is a never-ending cycle - and the feeling of hopelessness and sorrow at the end is exactly the point. No one ever "wins"
He's fairly 'meh" in MYSTERY MEN. He's extremely predictable in those god-awful PIRATE movies. He's terrific in this. Like most actors, even the great ones, it's the synergy of talent + material that makes a performance memorable . . .
Nearly everyone knows Daniel Craig for his five Bond films, but not as many know that he was in this one, Road To Perdition, Defiance and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.
The first movie I ever saw Craig in was Elizabeth where he played a Catholic priest who gets tortured and killed, but the first thing I ever saw him in where I thought "wow, this is a good actor" was Layer Cake. It was only then that I looked at his IMDB page and realized I had already seen him before in supporting roles in Elizabeth, Road to Perdition and Tomb Raider. When I first heard that he was the next Bond, I instantly thought of the scene of him in Layer Cake posing in front of his bathroom mirror with a gun and realized he was going to be perfect at the role while most of the internet went crazy over the choice.
For a palate cleanser Olypmics movie: "Cool Runnings" from 1993. It is a comedy very, very, very loosely based on the 1988 Jamaican bobsleigh team partaking in the Olympics. It has John Candy in it.
To me, Munich is one of the best films of the last 20 years and one of Spielberg's best. A throw back to the great films of the '70s like All The President's Men, The Conversation, and Three Days of the Condor.
@Popcorninbed . The raid into Beirut was an actual raid done by the Israeli Sayeret Matkal (or similar). The one "girl" with the blond wig was actually Ehud Barak - who later became Chief of the General staff and eventually one of Israel's Prime ministers.
Cassie, you have officially set the bar with this Spielberg gem. I’ve seen this film many times and I often have to remind myself that Spielberg directed it due to the sheer darkness. Yes, he directed Schindler’s List and Saving Private Ryan but this film in my opinion stands alone in his library and it’s even more relevant today than when first released.
After Munich is when countries started forming hostage rescue units that train constantly. The next Olympics were in Montreal in '76 and Canadian soldiers had hidden machine-gun nests amongst the Olympic village. Canada was already on edge from the FLQ crisis in 1970 and the wave attacks around the world
The line that really stuck with me from this movie is, "Being victims doesn't make us righteous." So sad, but so true, the way trauma, abuse, and violence are handed down and passed on. It's one of the worst aspects of violence.
Cool Runnings has to be seen eventually. The story of an Olympic bobsled team from Jamaica, a country that has never seen snow. Featuring a terrific performance from John Candy. Not to be missed.
This is a very powerful film. However given its themes I felt a bit disappointed that they did not include the Mossad’s assassination of a completely innocent waiter in Norway…mistaken identity, similar name to one of the Munich planners. You’d think given what they explore here that would be pretty significant. Both in terms of the issue with imperfect people deciding on irreversible punishment for people without due process, AND in terms of how careful they were portrayed as being. The scene with the not killing a child was included (despite not being attested to) to show them as super careful, but obviously that wasn’t particularly true.
I don’t know how he does it, but Spielberg gets the most incredible performances out of his actors. The food/dinner scenes in this film were fantastic as well, a bright spot in an otherwise dark story.
Seeing the World Trade Center's twin towers in the final shot of the movie is emotionally devastating for those of us who watched those buildings fall to the ground on 9/11, knowing at that very moment that thousands were dying before our eyes. It's the ultimate reminder that violence begets violence, revenge begets revenge, all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
CHARIOTS OF Fire is a far more pure Olympic movie! And one of the Greatest Sports/Olympic/and any movie of all time! Won many Oscars! And rhe Music Score /slow mo scenes are EPIC in greatness! But was so excited to see Munich as ive looked into that Tragedy a lot, seen other movies, it is referenced in so many movies,a nd read a few books on it too! But, yeah Chariots of Fire is a Brtish All time great classic! 😮❤
"That guy" was in Troy, yes. But also in Black Hawk down. He is the Australian actor Eric Bana! Watch "Love the Beast" which is a documentary with him showing his love for cars and racing them.
I've heard lots of people complain about historical accuracy in terms of this film, but it's more profound ti me to see this film as made by a film maker post 911 which changes the meaning of the film a bunch for me. Its a question, posited as a film. Does endless eye for an eye mentality leave us all blind?
Yes, was the war on terror and invasions of Iraq/Afghanistan better or worse than hit squads against al-Queda and the planners? US does not publicly support such groups as the politicians worry they will be targeted in kind.
@@thomast8539 Sicily is about the poorest and least developed part of Italy with an almost 50%-rate of unemployed young people - so, I'd think there is part of the answer. Which mindset let's a people prosper and develop, and which does not. Corruption and retrebution leads always to decline.
Cass is thinking twice about her next "olympic" film.. :D Munich is olympic as Die Hard is Christmas. But maybe Cool Runnings would be a good next, a bit more light-hearted.
The Munich Olympics incident was a watershed for Israeli defense strategy. The lessons learned culminated in the rescue incident known as Entebbe. Watch the movie Victory At Entebe from 1976.
I lived through that period. Munich was a shock to the West. I was living in Europe from 71 to 74. A lot of stuff was blowing up all over the region. It was the backdrop of the 1960s and 70s. Ireland was blowing things up all over England. Terror groups were active all over Europe. The Middle East was on fire. We were escalating the war in Vietnam. There was also the raid on Entebbe, Uganda shortly after I returned to the USA. You should watch the movie about that. I would have thought Munich made the history books in Canadian schools. It changed the entire security process for all Olympics from then to now. It was a tough decade. It looks like we are about to do a reenactment of it in the next few years. Good reaction, as always.
I was alive when Munich happened, it was unbelievable, it's more unbelievable now how the conflict goes on, its a very conflicting movie and thats Spielbergs point, where does all this violence get us? Fantastic movie, edge of the seat all the time.....
I was just a child of around 6 years old when the events of the Munich Olympics happened but I have a vague recollection of hearing the sad, shocking news when ABC sportscaster Jim McKay announced that the Israeli hostages had been killed. “They’re all gone.” I remember my parents reacting to this news. It was really a terrible day. I don’t remember hearing anything about the hunt for the terrorists in the months and years after that until I saw this movie. This is one of Steven Spielberg’s finest films.
This movie is a tough one to watch. I remember a Time Magazine cover photo of the Israeli Olympic Team for 1972, and the caption said something like "Out of this tiny Olympic team, eleven would die." I was just about to turn 12 years old when the 1972 Olympics happened, and I did not understand what happened until later.
Born in 1972. Read the book before either of these movies came out. The Sward of Gideon is the better of the 2 films made about this. The book Vengeance by George Jonas goes into great detail about this operation and explains ballistics very well. Its the book that got me interested in history. The really sick part of this was the fact that after these events took place terrorism paid off. The leading terrorist (Yasser Arafat) was given a seat in the United Nations and in the 1990s Bill Clinton had him staying at the White House.
The scene where a large number of raiders are dressed as civilians (including as women) was Operation Spring of Youth, which was a commando (military) operation in Beirut. The commander of the unit was Ehud Barak, who dressed as a women due to his short stature, and was 30 years later the Prime Minister of Israel. It's considered to be a very successful operation, caught the Fatah and PFLP by surprise and killed over 100 of their members, while suffering only 2 Israeli deaths.
Another historical event that is forgotten by the young: "In October 1977, Puerto Rican nationalists occupied the Statue of Liberty for several hours and hung a Puerto Rican flag from Lady Liberty's crown. The demonstrators were calling for Puerto Rico's independence and the release of four nationalists who had participated in a 1954 shooting at the U.S. House of Representatives."
During the 2004 Olympic Games they made a lot of mention of Munich, because the 2004 Games were the first games following the 9/11 attacks...extreme heightened security was implemented because they didn't want another Munich to happen. Not surprising that this film came out in 2005. It was a challenging time, the early 2000's.
If you want to know what happened to the main character: His real name is Juval Aviv. Look him up. As for the last scene: Eating -- the family dinner -- is a motif in this film. You break bread with family. The world is filled with manipulators who want us to define "family" solely in terms of race or some similar accident of birth. Eventually we learn (if we are capable of learning) that we choose our family.
40:45 Geoffrey Rush is such an amazing actor. You need to watch Shine from 1996. An Oscar winning performance long before we saw him in Munich or pirates of the Caribbean or the kings speech.
Great freaking flick and among Spielberg's most underrated. He definitely has an edge when he does R rated stuff like this. It beats his family friendly image
One of the legacies of Munich is that, immediately afterwards, the Los Angeles Police Dept founded the first domestic police SWAT team, the FBI created its Hostage Rescue Team, and the US military created Delta Force and Navy SEAL Team 6 as dedicated anti-terrorist units to call upon if anything like Munich ever happened again.
Also the West German government, because of the failure and unpreparedness of the Police forces for such events, then created their Anti Terrorist Unit, called the "GSG 9" of the then "Federal Border Guard", todays Federal Police. They set it up from scratch, modeled after and with training from the British SAS and Israeli Sayeret Matkal and it entered the public conscience quite literally with a bang in October 1977, when they liberated 90 hostages of the Lufthansa flight 181, which had been hijacked by Palestinian Terrorists in mid-air and flown to Mogadishu, Somalia. The Munich Massacre also had consequences for the 1974 Football World Cup held in West Germany, the tournament had a high level of security and the participating teams complained about feeling like "in a jail" during their stay in their team camps.
This is a substantially accurate account of real events. Careful analytical account I have yet to find but two interesting books on it by journalists are ‘Hit Team’ by David Tinnin and ‘Vengeance’ by George Jonas. The latter book is the prime source of this film.
The Olympic Games and any big/important sports event were never the same after Munich. This is what started the tighter security of venues and participants, police/National Guard/army patrolling venues, snipers on rooftops, no-fly zones, etc.
I was a little kid when this happened (the tragedy at the Olympics) and I recall it was all over the news constantly (even before the days of 24/7 cable news). I was very scared from hearing this but have a fond memory of my father calming me and reassuring me that it was somewhere very far away and that we were safe. This movie brought back those memories for me.
An earlier version of this set of events was The Sword of Gideon (1986) and is a good story of events, making for a good comparison of movies. The prime minister of Israel at the time was Golda Meir. Her life story is also amazing and is depicted in the movies A Woman Called Golda (1982) and Golda (2023) starring Helen Mirren.
Cassie, based on this same year of the Olympics , but a much better(happier) story, Prefontaine is the story of Steve Prefontaine and his quest for Olympic gold in 1972. Very underrated film…you won’t be covering your eyes like with this film.
I remember watching this when it came out and knew nothing about the conflict. Now after these 10 months I've learned a lot and It's neat how succinctly the core message of this movie maps so accurately to the current war in Israel/Palestine.
Your enthusiasm to embrace the Olympic spirit combined with your eagerness to learn history and your willingness to look at the painful makes you so special.
Absolute kudos for picking one of Spielberg's most important movies. Although we follow the story through the eyes of an Mossad agent, the ending is very clear in the message that violence only creates more violence and that this spiral has to be broken by both sides. A dream that seems now even more unlikely to happen. The opening scene is very much like Saving Private Ryan a minute to minute reproduction of the attack during the Munich Olympics with real documentary pieces woven in.
Stop with the false moral equivalency like his message at the end. Arab Muslims have been trying to eradicate the Jewish people throughout history and they’re still trying. If the Arabs Muslims would stop their genocidal mission against the Jewish people there would be peace. But they won’t stop so the Jewish people will defend themselves at all costs.
Great line from Babylon 5 which seems to get to the heart of where things are at with Israel-Palestine now: G'Kar's Father: We are a dying people, G'Kar. So are the Centauri. Obsessed with each other's death until death is all we can see and death is all we deserve. G'Kar: The Centauri started it. G'Kar's Father: And will you continue, until there are no more Narns, and no more Centauri? If both sides are dead, no one will care which side deserves the blame. It no longer matters who started it, G'Kar. It only matters who is suffering.
I was 13 when that happened. It was seared into my mind then, and still is. The movie was extremely good. When I found out Spielberg did it, I was not surprised.
Honestly, given current events, I expected the comment section to be a Warzone but it’s nice to see people generally having calm and friendly conversations. It’s definitely a testament to Spielberg for making a nuanced and fair film as well as Cassie for cultivating such a friendly audience.
Why gee willickers, it's almost like TH-cam makes it impossible to even approach the topic by deleting or hiding banning any post remotely related to the subject, just like it's been deleting archival footage for several months now. Did you know you can't even type the diminutive of "Jen" and the word for the later surface of something remotely next to each other without it triggering the AI? But keep patting yourself in the back for how heckin valid the comment section that is not curated by a robot and over half filled with robots (actual number, go check the institution that measures robot activity online) in other to manipulate you. And yes, i actually have to type robot, this post had to be edited already.
I tried replying to this comment explaining why things are the way they are here and not a single one of those comments showed up. Just normal words. But keep patting yourself in the back over how heckin valid he comment section totally is, this holding pen was made for you.
4:03 It's never straight up stated in the film, but those western athletes who help them over the gate were Canadians; they were part of the water polo team.
Cassie, Eric Bana, who leads the Massoud group in this film, was also in these movies that you have reacted to: "Black Hawk Down" & "Lone Survivor". In "Black Hawk Down", he was the Delta Force operator who interacted with Ranger Chalk squad leader Sgt. Eversmann (Josh Hartnett) the most throughout the combat scenes. In "Lone Survivor", he played a Lt. Commander who was in charge of the Navy SEAL unit in Afghanistan and was unfortunately one of the 18 American servicemen killed in the Chinook that attempted to rescue Mark Luttrell (Mark Wahlberg).
"Stars in Motion", the symbol on your shirt, was the logo for the XXIII Olympiad in Los Angeles, 1984--40 years ago next week. I was privileged to work those Olympics as a video engineer/editor. The Emmy award that you see in my thumbnail pic
Actress Marie-Josée Croze is fantastic in Munich as an assassin. She's also BRILLIANT in "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" which won the Best Picture Oscar Foreign Film in 2007. It's a true story and you'll need a box of tissue to get through it. Highly Recommended!
She is terrific in Diving Bell & The Butterfly, one of the best movies in an already amazing year alongside There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men
You seemed to ask a lot of questions, basically, no, the names he was given weren't all associated with Munich, but the one that was had CIA contacts who were protecting him. The French Godfather, I don't know if he was organized crime or part of French Intelligence, but he made it clear to him that he invited him to his house, gave him his blood sausage. When he asked his Jewish fellow worker, he refused him. And the French guy was doing the sign of the cross, in front of him. They knew who he was. "I can respect a man who says he's just doing this for his family."
I was a teenager in 1972 and remember that. Unbelievable. You should also watch Freedom's Fury (2006) about the Hungarian Water Polo team versus the Soviet team in 1956. Hungary had just been invaded by the USSR at the same time as Hungary was scheduled to compete against the USSR in a water polo match. It was probably the most exciting water polo match ever.
@@StephenLuke yeah. Although there are a few differences. In real life the athletes of the 1st helicopter were never shot before the granade was thrown. I also read Yossef Romano (the 2nd of the 11 victims) was already hurt before the massacre
Y'all are so mean lol. She's expecting uplifting sports stories and y'all give her Munich 😂😂
Trying to drag her, screaming, into reality.
Hey there's some impressive wrestling in one scene.
It doesnt last very long though.
Next she'll be watching Richard Jewell (Atlanta 1996) and I, Tonya (Lillehammer 1994 - Winter Olympics).
She's gotta know, why the world is this way.
@@menotyou8369 ...screaming and kicking, into reality.
Cassie is goated for reacting to massively underrated movies. Nobody reacts to this. Literally no one!!
Pretty based to do so really... good for her
90% of reactors are scared copycats, who don't dare to try anything fresh. They just copy what others do, it's like a science of "lowest possible risk" for them. Because they are afraid the algorithm will abandon them if they choose a "wrong" movie. Maybe larger channels can take more risks. It's dumb, there's so many good movies and 90% of channels just recycles same boring things. Nowadays there's an interesting reaction very rarely (including all reactors)
Also brave of her to react to a film like this particularly because of certain current events and controversy.
Munich, along with Chariots of Fire and I Tonya, were 1-2-3 in her Olympic's poll. Cassie only picks a few movies a month herself, most everything she reacts to is decided by her patron polls.
Stop simping lol.
To quote another film: "Revenge is never a straight line. It's a forest, and like a forest it's easy to lose your way ... to get lost ... to forget where you came in."
Kill Bill
Who said that?
@@jameswilkerson4412Hattori Hanzo in "Kill Bill."
Good quote, but this was not about revenge, this was justice
@@nataliestclair6176Exactly. I am disgusted by the false moral equivalencies in these comments. Arab Muslims have been trying to wipe Jewish people and Israel from the earth forever. The Jewish people are seeking justice from terror and defending themselves. If Arab Muslims would STOP trying to genocide the Jewish people and wipe Israel from their ancient homeland there would be peace.
They killed the female assassin with zip guns, sometimes called slam guns. These are improvised firearms. Besides being more quiet in this situation, because of the low velocity, they also look like less of a professional job and maybe something done by gangs or hoodlums. Every single one of their targets was done in a different way so that a pattern might not make them suspicious.
That wasn't a zip gun. It was a specifically designed assassination weapon developed by the British in the late 40s/early 50s to look like a bicycle pump. Most were made in some variation of .22 short but they also occasionally show up in .32acp or very rarely in .380 (or equivalent, depending on who built them). The small calibers used weren't chosen to obfuscate the intention of the murder-- the common silencers of the time used leather or rubber wipers which tend to leave a lot of debris in the wound channels and on skin-- but because it was discovered during WW2 that .380 acp was the largest common round at the time that could be completely silenced in a small enough package to be used in covert assassination, and frankly even that was pushing it.
The news footage used was the actual Olympic broadcast footage. Jim McKay was the TV journalist who broke the news to all of the USA about the terrible events of the Munich massacre. He was on the air for fourteen hours without a break. With the utmost grace and respect he told the nation what had transpired. His beautiful and haunting words forever burned into our minds -- When I was a kid my father used to say "Our greatest hopes and out worst fears are seldom realized." Our worst fears have been realized tonight. They have now said there were 11 hostages; two were killed in their rooms this morn-- yesterday morning, nine were killed at the airport tonight. They're all gone.
McKay got a message from legendary journalist Walter Cronkite after his coverage, congratulating him on such a heartbreaking task. Normally, sports reporters don't cover real-life news.
I remember seeing the sports/news that day when this was originally broadcast. I was 13 at the time and I had just gotten into watching the Olympics, as this was the first one I was old enough to appreciate.
Fun Fact: Guri Weinberg played his own father. He is the son of Moshe Weinberg, the Israeli wrestling referee and former champion, who died in the massacre when Guri was just one month old.
Also, I'm so glad you reacted to this film! This film is what made me want to learn about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the Munich massacre.
Me too!!!
It's because it's such a political movie. People wuss out over stuff like this.
The next Olympics were in Montreal in 1976. It was also the first $1 Billion Olympics. ($5.5B in 2024)
@@Buskieboy - And they never even finished the Stadium.
@@Buskieboy And it only took 30 years to pay off the debt lol
American swimmer Mark Spitz was the star of the 1972 Olympics, winning seven gold medals. His events had ended by the time this took place but because he was Jewish, he went home.
The great Jim McKay's "they're all gone" is up there with Cronkite's choking up when announcing JFK's death.
Yes. The usually immaculate Jim McKay, looking haggard, then saying "they're all gone." I hadn't thought about that moment in decades. But when I saw that Cassie was watching an Olympic movie about Munich, that moment immediately came flooding back. 😢
The last scene of an Israeli refusing to break bread with the Sabra who left his country because of what it did to him, which is then followed by the final shot of the Twin Towers, AMAZING.
One of Spielberg's greatest and most complicated films, which despite its complications still manages to drive home the very simple point that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
GOATED suspense scenes too, something that almost goes without saying for Spielberg. Munich is probably the fastest feeling nearly-three hour movie I've ever seen
Shoutout to Tony Kushner's script too. All of their collabs, Lincoln, Munich, West Side Story, The Fabelmans, all A+++++++
Eh, The Dark Knight covered most of the same themes and did it much better.
@@davidsumner7604 I think Munich is a better movie on every level. Even taken by itself as a genre picture, The Dark Knight falls completely flat in its last third compared to how outstanding everything before it was. I can't even compare it to Heat, its style inspiration, let alone Munich.
Then again TDK isn't even a top three Nolan for me, but I'm still glad you and so many people enjoy it so much! :)
@@davidsumner7604this is a weird comparison, man. You might as well be comparing apples to turnips
Spielbergs most underrated film. Politics aside. It’s an insane story told with immense intensity.
Nah,don't think it's underrated.Easily Spielberg's best work.Along with Schindler's List obviously.
Also deeply underrated performance by Eric Bana.
@@danfesta4465 was it? This and Chopper are his two best roles.
I diagree. I think it's one of his weakest. It doesn't really say anything that hasn't been said a hundred times before, including in the original version, Sword of Gideon. That's why the Israeli reactions was largely, "meh".
@@davidsumner7604 Well, 1sraelis arent exactly the coolest kids on the block these days.
Bana's performance in this was amazing. Weird how he never had a major role like this again.
That's interesting.
Oh I know! That one bedroom scene is great with him (the one with his family). I remember hearing he was in the running to be James Bond but instead Daniel Craig got the role. I was definitely weirded out by the choice at first but I’m glad I was proven wrong.
You say $1000 is not nearly enough? $1000 in 1972 is equivalent to $7,516.15 today.
And I assume all medical expenses from the birth was taken care of.
@@jeffe_77Seeing as the birth takes place in Athens, Greece; and the parents are German/Jewish - the birth won’t cost anything.
There’s only really the USA who charges people to have babies.
Land of the free & all.
@@jeffe_77 Well childbirth in USA back in 1972 was between $750 -$1000 and much cheaper in Israel, so even if their Govt would not pay the expenses, his stipend more than covered it
I see this done a lot by Americans. The last 4 monts ive seen 5 posts or more where its some story from 60+ years ago or more...and they always go... that's an awful pay..and im.like.....eh thats crazy money right there. A think there was a western where some American said that...and it was about 300-400.000 dollars today on some guys head or something like that.. its like they dont get money and what it means when you bring Inflation into it. Like why would it be hard to understand why 1000 dollars was a lot of money in the 20s ?
You also have the indian and Pakistani Channel where a guy says wow, i love this luxury chocolate bar but I'll never be able to buy it myself. And some American goes... Its a Mars Bar or its a Sprite or whatever. How can they not jist get that at any news stand. Well they could but they would prefer getting 15-20 bars of some local chocolate bar and be able to pay for food for the whole family as well. A MacD meal is luxury to some people.
haha in my head 1972 was 30 years ago and i didn’t think it was equal to that much! Then, sadly i realize that was actually 50
years ago!!! and that makes more sense! I
I was just a little kid, but remember we all sat around as a family to watch the Olympics and instead we saw terrorists running around wearing masks. I didn't understand it, but it was my indoctrination into the violent world. Those games had some of the greatest moments in Olympic history, Mark Spitz, Olga Corbut, Dave Wottle, USA Basketball getting a game stolen from them, Dan Gable, Frank Shorter, all overshadowed by this tragedy.
I was 12 and it was a different world back then. Hell, we were still in Vietnam trying to win hearts and minds.
I was 13 at the time and deeply into watching the Olympic coverage. It is still seared in my memory, even now at 65. A horrible event, much of it occurring on live TV.
People watch sports to feel emotions like hope, inspiration, pride, courage, and awe. When sports and tragedy collide -- as in Munich in 1972, or in Atlanta in 1996 -- there's something really jarring about it, like two worlds colliding that should be kept far apart.
so you got indoctrinated, interesting
The point of the ending, was his contact treated him better than his own countryman. It is a thing in their culture to have to accept an invitation to dinner. And when he was told no, when "father" would have said yes, he felt like he was used by his government and that confirmed it. He lost his home and he dragged his family into that with him.
RIP the victims of the Munich Massacre
Moshe Weinberg (September 19, 1939 - September 5, 1972), aged 32
Yossef Romano (April 15, 1940 - September 5, 1972), aged 32
Ze'ev Friedman (June 10, 1944 - September 6, 1972), aged 28
David Berger (May 24, 1944 - September 6, 1972), aged 28
Yakov Springer (June 10, 1921 - September 6, 1972), aged 51
Eliezer Halfin (June 18, 1948 - September 6, 1972), aged 24
Yossef Gutfreund (November 1, 1931 - September 6, 1972), aged 40
Kehat Shorr (February 21, 1919 - September 6, 1972), aged 53
Mark Slavin (January 31, 1954 - September 6, 1972), aged 18
Andre Spitzer (July 4, 1945 - September 6, 1972), aged 27
Amitzur Shapira (July 9, 1932 - September 6, 1972), aged 40
Anton Fliegerbauer (March 5, 1940 - September 6, 1972), aged 32
Gone but not forgotten.
Amen & long live Israel
I didn't know Mark Slavic and I were born on the same day. I was captain of my high school wrestling team and was waiting to watch the event when this all went down. It's an eye for an eye until everyone is left blind.
Mark Slavin was the youngest to be killed, he was 18.
He had moved to Israel just four months before the Olympic games. He was born in Minsk, Belarus SSR, and had taken up wrestling as a youth to defend himself against anti-Semitic attacks.
Not cancelling the Games after the deaths of the Israeli athletes was quite controversial. The Munich games were the first to be held in Germany since the '36 Games in Berlin, the so-called Nazi Games. It was hoped that the Munich Olympics would be seen that Germany had changed since Berlin but the terrorist attack tainted those efforts.
*As a consequence of the mismanagement of the Olympic tragedy, the West German government created the GSG 9 under the leadership of then Oberstleutnant Ulrich Wegener so that similar situations in the future could be responded to adequately and professionally. Many German politicians opposed its formation, fearing GSG 9 would rekindle memories of the Nazi Party's Schutzstaffel (SS). The decision was taken to form the unit from the Federal Border Guard (Bundesgrenzschutz), as opposed to the military similar to equivalent forces in other countries, on the ground that German federal law expressly forbids the use of the military forces against the civilian population. Composing the special force from police personnel would avoid that. The unit was officially established on 26 September 1972 as a part of Germany's federal police agency, the Bundesgrenzschutz (BGS; Federal Border Guard, renamed Bundespolizei or Federal Police in 2005). The then-BGS did have something of a paramilitary nature, used military ranks (until 1976), had combatant status (until 1994), and can (at least theoretically) draw conscripts (presently). Many other countries have various anti-terrorist units based on GSG-9. After renaming the Bundesgrenzschutz to Bundespolizei in 2005, the abbreviation "GSG 9" was kept because of the fame of the unit even though Border Guard Units became obsolete. The official way to refer to the unit is GSG9 der Bundespolizei (abbreviated GSG9 BPOL or GSG9).* ⬅⚠⬅🤔
Actually, it was the IOC's decision to continue the games, not the German government's. I still think it is somewhat questionable, because of course the Israeli sports delegation left, and so in a way Israel was punished in the Olympic competition for being targeted. On the other hand, stopping the games then would have given more attention and weight to the terrorists' cause, and thus would have been an even greater victory for them.
The Germans had nothing to do with the decision. So if there was controversy, it was only because people are stupid I guess. The Olympic Committee made that decision so if people wanted to complain, they should have complained against the IOC. Had nothing to do with whether or not "Germans had changed" 😂
The 1936 games where a Gamble that sort of paid off for the Nazi's
Why did early reports say that all the hostages had escaped & all the terrorists been killed?
Munich is an important, powerful, gut-wrenching film, but Cool Runnings is a more Olympics-focused story and might be a nice, light palette-cleanser.
Food for thought 🤓
This is one of those movies that I could only watch once. When I left the theater at the end, I felt miserable and empty of hope for humanity. 😢
I warned Cassie not to watch it. Images I wish I could get out of my head
I saw it in the cinema just days before my wedding.
@@SteveVdw Evil has an expiration date, and I think we are getting closer to it, which is why so much truth is being revealed now. We cycle through different agees and this dark age will end
There's only one source of hope for mankind.... Jesus Christ ✝️
I love that in addition to a future Bond this has a past Bond villain actor (Lonsdale/Drax from Moonraker)and a future one (the skinny French guy from Quantum Of Solace)
Dominic Greene, I believe.
Mathieu Amalric
You know what, when I first saw this film when it came out I though “oh wow, that’s Drax” (Moonraker was one of the first Bond movies I watched, and was a favourite for a while), but upon subsequent watches of Munich, post Quantum of Solace, I didn’t make that connection until you just mentioned it… but then again, QoS is awful, so that’s understandable 😂
I love that the film Ronin (1998) in addition to being awesome, has THREE Bond villains: Michael Lonsdale (Moonraker), Sean Bean (GoldenEye), and Jonathan Pryce (Tomorrow Never Dies).
And, allegedly, Eric Bana was on a list / approached to gauge interest for Bond before Craig.
Oh, Cassie's big smile and enthusiastic speech about how much she loves Olympic movies... and knowing what movie she's about to watch... 😟
Golda Meir was the Israeli prime minister at the time this happened. She actually was a schoolteacher in Milwaukee for years before moving to the new nation of Israel. One of the other plans the terrorist supposedly had was to fly a plane into the crowd for the opening ceremonies in a stadium that held 80,000 people.
I have been told that my great aunt Sarah was a childhood friend of Golda in Milwaukee. I have no way to verify this though. But they lived in the same area at the same time in Milwaukee. Golda moved to Israel. My great aunt moved to California.
Our humanity is not measured by how we treat the people we love but by how we treat the people we don't
The shot where both the original balcony footage that was on television AND the recreated shot from behind within the apartment are BOTH in frame is so eerie and perfect.
Their are some great scenes but the whole feels like less than the sum of its parts.
I ran in the 1972 Olympic Trials and didn’t make the team. At the time I was crushed, but as the events of that Olympics unfolded I ended up feeling grateful and relieved I didn’t make it!!!😂
I was a little kid and didn’t completely understand what was happening at the time, but I will never forget that image of the terrorist on the balcony of the Olympic Village
I'll never forget that image scared me shitless and sent huge chills down my spine when I was young.
This is probably Spielberg's darkest and most cynical movie. Catch Me If You can is the polar opposite if you're looking for a great Spielberg antidote to balance out the tension
That is a great point and he made those pretty close together
A better antidote: Team America World Police!
And they're both about as unhistorical sadly.
If we are talking darkest here are you just going to ignore Schindler’s List😅
Yes, that was a good movie.
The Honey Trap girl was killed using "zip guns", a.k.a. an improvised gun. They are popular among both criminals (because it's an unregistered firearm) but also undercover operatives because the guns are usually one-shot and disposable, or can be reloaded but still hold only one bullet, plus they usually don't have rifled barrels so they don't leave marks on the bullets that if recovered from a crime scene can be traced forensically. They're usually used to kill at very close range (one of the drawbacks of the barrel not being rifled is the bullet is less reliable to strike the target at long range). Also you notice they aren't nearly as loud as regular guns so again optimal for undercover operations when you don't want to draw attention to a crime being committed. Nowadays most zip guns are 3D-printed. Zip gins were especially popular with criminal street gangs in the 1940's.
The reason why such a gun is so quiet is that they are literally just a chamber and the rest is silencer. They are normally used with a small bullet like a .22 short with a reduced charge to make it even quieter, hence it did not 'blow her away'.
I think the best thing this movie shows is that each side believes they are right. And that this type of vengeance and revenge only breeds more of the same. It is a never-ending cycle - and the feeling of hopelessness and sorrow at the end is exactly the point. No one ever "wins"
Great movie for anyone not knowing the 1972 Munich incident.
I was old enough to remember seeing the news reports at the time. Fast forward to today, nothing has changed.
@@Stone_Horse ssdd
@@MrkBO8 For sure.
It is a great movie but doesn't come anywhere near to telling the true story of Mossad's revenge campaign against Black September.
No this movie was very inaccurate and made by israel haters
Geoffrey Rush is exemplary in every role he's ever done.
I... don't have anything else to state here. 🙂 Just sayin' that and that alone.
He's fairly 'meh" in MYSTERY MEN. He's extremely predictable in those god-awful PIRATE movies. He's terrific in this. Like most actors, even the great ones, it's the synergy of talent + material that makes a performance memorable . . .
Nearly everyone knows Daniel Craig for his five Bond films, but not as many know that he was in this one, Road To Perdition, Defiance and The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo.
And Layer Cake. A really good watch.
@@davidbeyerle6996 And Flashbacks of A Fool
@@davidbeyerle6996great movie❤
He was also in A Kid in King Arthur's Court along with Kate Winslet, believe it or not.
The first movie I ever saw Craig in was Elizabeth where he played a Catholic priest who gets tortured and killed, but the first thing I ever saw him in where I thought "wow, this is a good actor" was Layer Cake. It was only then that I looked at his IMDB page and realized I had already seen him before in supporting roles in Elizabeth, Road to Perdition and Tomb Raider. When I first heard that he was the next Bond, I instantly thought of the scene of him in Layer Cake posing in front of his bathroom mirror with a gun and realized he was going to be perfect at the role while most of the internet went crazy over the choice.
For a palate cleanser Olypmics movie: "Cool Runnings" from 1993.
It is a comedy very, very, very loosely based on the 1988 Jamaican bobsleigh team partaking in the Olympics. It has John Candy in it.
Eddie The Eagle is a great Olympics movie.
To me, Munich is one of the best films of the last 20 years and one of Spielberg's best. A throw back to the great films of the '70s like All The President's Men, The Conversation, and Three Days of the Condor.
@Popcorninbed . The raid into Beirut was an actual raid done by the Israeli Sayeret Matkal (or similar). The one "girl" with the blond wig was actually Ehud Barak - who later became Chief of the General staff and eventually one of Israel's Prime ministers.
@tiger...
Fascinating fact! I did not know. Thank you!
I'm so impressed that our girl is watching this. It's kind of a forgotten film.
Hoping she does Chariots of Fire, that is an epic film no one remembers anymore.
Yeah, Spielberg has become practically an unknown
Forgotten by who?
This movie is a masterpiece
Cassie, you have officially set the bar with this Spielberg gem. I’ve seen this film many times and I often have to remind myself that Spielberg directed it due to the sheer darkness. Yes, he directed Schindler’s List and Saving Private Ryan but this film in my opinion stands alone in his library and it’s even more relevant today than when first released.
50 years later and still the killing and hatred go on.
Not that the hatred and killing are anywhere near, by several orders of magnitude, 50 years old . . .
Largley due to the Arab side's rabid anti-Semitism
It stops when they love their sons more than they hate ours
After Munich is when countries started forming hostage rescue units that train constantly. The next Olympics were in Montreal in '76 and Canadian soldiers had hidden machine-gun nests amongst the Olympic village. Canada was already on edge from the FLQ crisis in 1970 and the wave attacks around the world
The Germans messed this one up. Thought they could handle it by themselves and stupidly let the press keep filming and broadcast live
The line that really stuck with me from this movie is, "Being victims doesn't make us righteous." So sad, but so true, the way trauma, abuse, and violence are handed down and passed on. It's one of the worst aspects of violence.
Cool Runnings has to be seen eventually. The story of an Olympic bobsled team from Jamaica, a country that has never seen snow. Featuring a terrific performance from John Candy. Not to be missed.
I'd advise against watching Cool Runnings immediately after Munich without the aid of a decompression chamber.
I was 6 years old. The news footage at the beginning was the real coverage of the event.
This is a very powerful film. However given its themes I felt a bit disappointed that they did not include the Mossad’s assassination of a completely innocent waiter in Norway…mistaken identity, similar name to one of the Munich planners. You’d think given what they explore here that would be pretty significant. Both in terms of the issue with imperfect people deciding on irreversible punishment for people without due process, AND in terms of how careful they were portrayed as being.
The scene with the not killing a child was included (despite not being attested to) to show them as super careful, but obviously that wasn’t particularly true.
I don’t know how he does it, but Spielberg gets the most incredible performances out of his actors.
The food/dinner scenes in this film were fantastic as well, a bright spot in an otherwise dark story.
Seeing the World Trade Center's twin towers in the final shot of the movie is emotionally devastating for those of us who watched those buildings fall to the ground on 9/11, knowing at that very moment that thousands were dying before our eyes. It's the ultimate reminder that violence begets violence, revenge begets revenge, all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again.
You will be really devastated when you read about actual terrorism under Irgun,Lehi and Haganah.
When she started talking about the Olympic Spirit I groaned. Another kick to her innocent soul. Great movie representing the darkness of those times.
Her level of naivete does her no credit. But it does make reactions to movies like this highly entertaining
CHARIOTS OF Fire is a far more pure Olympic movie! And one of the Greatest Sports/Olympic/and any movie of all time! Won many Oscars! And rhe Music Score /slow mo scenes are EPIC in greatness! But was so excited to see Munich as ive looked into that Tragedy a lot, seen other movies, it is referenced in so many movies,a nd read a few books on it too! But, yeah Chariots of Fire is a Brtish All time great classic! 😮❤
I highly recommend "Downfall" from 2004.
Another is "Conspiracy"....where no one actually dies, all done in one room, and terrifies the willies out of me
+ 1 for Downfall. It's an absolutely amazing movie.
"That guy" was in Troy, yes. But also in Black Hawk down. He is the Australian actor Eric Bana! Watch "Love the Beast" which is a documentary with him showing his love for cars and racing them.
I've heard lots of people complain about historical accuracy in terms of this film, but it's more profound ti me to see this film as made by a film maker post 911 which changes the meaning of the film a bunch for me. Its a question, posited as a film. Does endless eye for an eye mentality leave us all blind?
I dunno. Ask the Sicilians. They've been dealing with retribution for 1000 years.
@@thomast8539 Interesting example. Then again, how far have they advanced over that thousand years?
Yes, was the war on terror and invasions of Iraq/Afghanistan better or worse than hit squads against al-Queda and the planners? US does not publicly support such groups as the politicians worry they will be targeted in kind.
It should be noted that this movie is a remake of the 1983 film Sword of Gideon.
@@thomast8539 Sicily is about the poorest and least developed part of Italy with an almost 50%-rate of unemployed young people - so, I'd think there is part of the answer. Which mindset let's a people prosper and develop, and which does not. Corruption and retrebution leads always to decline.
Cass is thinking twice about her next "olympic" film.. :D
Munich is olympic as Die Hard is Christmas. But maybe Cool Runnings would be a good next, a bit more light-hearted.
So timely given what is sadly happening now between Palestinians and Israel!😢❤
The supporters of Palestine always play the victim and seek self-empathy!
26:46 and the whole conversation says it all
The Munich Olympics incident was a watershed for Israeli defense strategy.
The lessons learned culminated in the rescue incident known as Entebbe.
Watch the movie Victory At Entebe from 1976.
I lived through that period. Munich was a shock to the West. I was living in Europe from 71 to 74. A lot of stuff was blowing up all over the region. It was the backdrop of the 1960s and 70s. Ireland was blowing things up all over England. Terror groups were active all over Europe. The Middle East was on fire. We were escalating the war in Vietnam. There was also the raid on Entebbe, Uganda shortly after I returned to the USA. You should watch the movie about that. I would have thought Munich made the history books in Canadian schools. It changed the entire security process for all Olympics from then to now. It was a tough decade. It looks like we are about to do a reenactment of it in the next few years. Good reaction, as always.
I was alive when Munich happened, it was unbelievable, it's more unbelievable now how the conflict goes on, its a very conflicting movie and thats Spielbergs point, where does all this violence get us? Fantastic movie, edge of the seat all the time.....
Well it gave Israeli terrorist a state and free money from US taxpayers. Who said terrorism does not work.
I was just a child of around 6 years old when the events of the Munich Olympics happened but I have a vague recollection of hearing the sad, shocking news when ABC sportscaster Jim McKay announced that the Israeli hostages had been killed. “They’re all gone.” I remember my parents reacting to this news. It was really a terrible day. I don’t remember hearing anything about the hunt for the terrorists in the months and years after that until I saw this movie.
This is one of Steven Spielberg’s finest films.
I was a kid living in Germany at the time and remember watching this live on tv. Absolutely horrific. Apparently, nothing has changed in 50 years
This movie is a tough one to watch. I remember a Time Magazine cover photo of the Israeli Olympic Team for 1972, and the caption said something like "Out of this tiny Olympic team, eleven would die." I was just about to turn 12 years old when the 1972 Olympics happened, and I did not understand what happened until later.
Born in 1972. Read the book before either of these movies came out. The Sward of Gideon is the better of the 2 films made about this. The book Vengeance by George Jonas goes into great detail about this operation and explains ballistics very well. Its the book that got me interested in history.
The really sick part of this was the fact that after these events took place terrorism paid off. The leading terrorist (Yasser Arafat) was given a seat in the United Nations and in the 1990s Bill Clinton had him staying at the White House.
Arafat also received the Nobel Peace Prize.
The scene where a large number of raiders are dressed as civilians (including as women) was Operation Spring of Youth, which was a commando (military) operation in Beirut. The commander of the unit was Ehud Barak, who dressed as a women due to his short stature, and was 30 years later the Prime Minister of Israel. It's considered to be a very successful operation, caught the Fatah and PFLP by surprise and killed over 100 of their members, while suffering only 2 Israeli deaths.
The movie was shot mostly in Budapest, Hungary. I clearly remember all the street closures.
Another historical event that is forgotten by the young: "In October 1977, Puerto Rican nationalists occupied the Statue of Liberty for several hours and hung a Puerto Rican flag from Lady Liberty's crown. The demonstrators were calling for Puerto Rico's independence and the release of four nationalists who had participated in a 1954 shooting at the U.S. House of Representatives."
Spielberg's most depressing movie, and yes, I'm not forgetting Schindler's List.
You’re right. Maybe it’s because the Nazis were defeated in 1945.
I was in college in California when this happened and we held a memorial for those who died.
During the 2004 Olympic Games they made a lot of mention of Munich, because the 2004 Games were the first games following the 9/11 attacks...extreme heightened security was implemented because they didn't want another Munich to happen. Not surprising that this film came out in 2005. It was a challenging time, the early 2000's.
Here we are 20 years later. Let's see what happens.
"Its defeating to see that we are back here." Cassie, we never left.
Eric Bana is a wonderful actor, massively underrated.
And Beautiful.
@@susanalexander6721 Well, yes, that's a given -- gorgeous man. :)
Oh he’s great in this movie.
Hear! Hear! 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
If you want to know what happened to the main character: His real name is Juval Aviv. Look him up. As for the last scene: Eating -- the family dinner -- is a motif in this film. You break bread with family. The world is filled with manipulators who want us to define "family" solely in terms of race or some similar accident of birth. Eventually we learn (if we are capable of learning) that we choose our family.
40:45 Geoffrey Rush is such an amazing actor. You need to watch Shine from 1996. An Oscar winning performance long before we saw him in Munich or pirates of the Caribbean or the kings speech.
He's one of those actors who has been in as much abysmal dreck as great movies! And in great movies he *really* delivers the goods!
@@vincelang3779 "Every actor has to make terrible films from time to time, but the trick is never to be terrible in them."
Great freaking flick and among Spielberg's most underrated. He definitely has an edge when he does R rated stuff like this. It beats his family friendly image
Spielberg makes the best historical movies
One of the legacies of Munich is that, immediately afterwards, the Los Angeles Police Dept founded the first domestic police SWAT team, the FBI created its Hostage Rescue Team, and the US military created Delta Force and Navy SEAL Team 6 as dedicated anti-terrorist units to call upon if anything like Munich ever happened again.
Also the West German government, because of the failure and unpreparedness of the Police forces for such events, then created their Anti Terrorist Unit, called the "GSG 9" of the then "Federal Border Guard", todays Federal Police. They set it up from scratch, modeled after and with training from the British SAS and Israeli Sayeret Matkal and it entered the public conscience quite literally with a bang in October 1977, when they liberated 90 hostages of the Lufthansa flight 181, which had been hijacked by Palestinian Terrorists in mid-air and flown to Mogadishu, Somalia. The Munich Massacre also had consequences for the 1974 Football World Cup held in West Germany, the tournament had a high level of security and the participating teams complained about feeling like "in a jail" during their stay in their team camps.
This is a substantially accurate account of real events. Careful analytical account I have yet to find but two interesting books on it by journalists are ‘Hit Team’ by David Tinnin and ‘Vengeance’ by George Jonas. The latter book is the prime source of this film.
The Olympic Games and any big/important sports event were never the same after Munich. This is what started the tighter security of venues and participants, police/National Guard/army patrolling venues, snipers on rooftops, no-fly zones, etc.
That scene, saying goodbye to the cat! 😮
I was a little kid when this happened (the tragedy at the Olympics) and I recall it was all over the news constantly (even before the days of 24/7 cable news). I was very scared from hearing this but have a fond memory of my father calming me and reassuring me that it was somewhere very far away and that we were safe. This movie brought back those memories for me.
Munich and Minority Report are two underrated Spielberg masterpieces.
And PIB is the only one who has reacted to both of them.
Minority Report is pretentious as fuck while also trying to be a dumb action flick, not to mention filled with plot holes you can fly a 747 through.
@@redpillfreedom6692 Finally someone said it.
An earlier version of this set of events was The Sword of Gideon (1986) and is a good story of events, making for a good comparison of movies. The prime minister of Israel at the time was Golda Meir. Her life story is also amazing and is depicted in the movies A Woman Called Golda (1982) and Golda (2023) starring Helen Mirren.
Cassie, based on this same year of the Olympics , but a much better(happier) story, Prefontaine is the story of Steve Prefontaine and his quest for Olympic gold in 1972. Very underrated film…you won’t be covering your eyes like with this film.
I remember seeing Ian Stewart win the 5000m at the Commonwealth Games, two years before he denied Pre a bronze at Munich.
But she'll be crying at the end.
"Walk, Don't Run" (1966) is a great underrated Olympic Games movie with Cary Grant and Jim Hutton
"She is Ukrainian shot put -er"
I remember watching this when it came out and knew nothing about the conflict. Now after these 10 months I've learned a lot and It's neat how succinctly the core message of this movie maps so accurately to the current war in Israel/Palestine.
yup. my exact thoughts.
Your enthusiasm to embrace the Olympic spirit combined with your eagerness to learn history and your willingness to look at the painful makes you so special.
Absolute kudos for picking one of Spielberg's most important movies. Although we follow the story through the eyes of an Mossad agent, the ending is very clear in the message that violence only creates more violence and that this spiral has to be broken by both sides. A dream that seems now even more unlikely to happen.
The opening scene is very much like Saving Private Ryan a minute to minute reproduction of the attack during the Munich Olympics with real documentary pieces woven in.
The dream was so freaking close too with the Oslo Peace Accords in the 90s.
And Sadat with Egypt being the first Arab nation recognizing and having diplomatic relations (but an uneasy peace) with Israel.
One day, and I know that day will never come soon, I would love to watch a movie "regarding this conflict" through the eyes of a neutral reporter
Stop with the false moral equivalency like his message at the end. Arab Muslims have been trying to eradicate the Jewish people throughout history and they’re still trying. If the Arabs Muslims would stop their genocidal mission against the Jewish people there would be peace. But they won’t stop so the Jewish people will defend themselves at all costs.
Great line from Babylon 5 which seems to get to the heart of where things are at with Israel-Palestine now:
G'Kar's Father: We are a dying people, G'Kar. So are the Centauri. Obsessed with each other's death until death is all we can see and death is all we deserve.
G'Kar: The Centauri started it.
G'Kar's Father: And will you continue, until there are no more Narns, and no more Centauri? If both sides are dead, no one will care which side deserves the blame. It no longer matters who started it, G'Kar. It only matters who is suffering.
I was 13 when that happened. It was seared into my mind then, and still is. The movie was extremely good. When I found out Spielberg did it, I was not surprised.
Honestly, given current events, I expected the comment section to be a Warzone but it’s nice to see people generally having calm and friendly conversations. It’s definitely a testament to Spielberg for making a nuanced and fair film as well as Cassie for cultivating such a friendly audience.
Why gee willickers, it's almost like TH-cam makes it impossible to even approach the topic by deleting or hiding banning any post remotely related to the subject, just like it's been deleting archival footage for several months now.
Did you know you can't even type the diminutive of "Jen" and the word for the later surface of something remotely next to each other without it triggering the AI? But keep patting yourself in the back for how heckin valid the comment section that is not curated by a robot and over half filled with robots (actual number, go check the institution that measures robot activity online) in other to manipulate you. And yes, i actually have to type robot, this post had to be edited already.
I tried replying to this comment explaining why things are the way they are here and not a single one of those comments showed up. Just normal words. But keep patting yourself in the back over how heckin valid he comment section totally is, this holding pen was made for you.
4:03 It's never straight up stated in the film, but those western athletes who help them over the gate were Canadians; they were part of the water polo team.
the last excellent Spielberg movie ever made
Cassie, Eric Bana, who leads the Massoud group in this film, was also in these movies that you have reacted to: "Black Hawk Down" & "Lone Survivor". In "Black Hawk Down", he was the Delta Force operator who interacted with Ranger Chalk squad leader Sgt. Eversmann (Josh Hartnett) the most throughout the combat scenes. In "Lone Survivor", he played a Lt. Commander who was in charge of the Navy SEAL unit in Afghanistan and was unfortunately one of the 18 American servicemen killed in the Chinook that attempted to rescue Mark Luttrell (Mark Wahlberg).
"Stars in Motion", the symbol on your shirt, was the logo for the XXIII Olympiad in Los Angeles, 1984--40 years ago next week. I was privileged to work those Olympics as a video engineer/editor. The Emmy award that you see in my thumbnail pic
Actress Marie-Josée Croze is fantastic in Munich as an assassin. She's also BRILLIANT in "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" which won the Best Picture Oscar Foreign Film in 2007. It's a true story and you'll need a box of tissue to get through it. Highly Recommended!
She is terrific in Diving Bell & The Butterfly, one of the best movies in an already amazing year alongside There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men
Fun Fact for Cassie: Marie Josée Croze is Canadian . She was born in Montreal, Quebec.
Also terrific in THE BARBARIAN INVASIONS.
Eric Bana is one of Australia's best actors.
The chap with the grey beard and good french accent was Hugo Drax in Moonraker Bond film🎩
You seemed to ask a lot of questions, basically, no, the names he was given weren't all associated with Munich, but the one that was had CIA contacts who were protecting him. The French Godfather, I don't know if he was organized crime or part of French Intelligence, but he made it clear to him that he invited him to his house, gave him his blood sausage. When he asked his Jewish fellow worker, he refused him. And the French guy was doing the sign of the cross, in front of him. They knew who he was. "I can respect a man who says he's just doing this for his family."
"The world was watching in 1972 as 11 Israeli athletes were murdered at the Munich Olympics, this is the story of what happened next."
I was a teenager in 1972 and remember that. Unbelievable.
You should also watch Freedom's Fury (2006) about the Hungarian Water Polo team versus the Soviet team in 1956. Hungary had just been invaded by the USSR at the same time as Hungary was scheduled to compete against the USSR in a water polo match. It was probably the most exciting water polo match ever.
Oh man, who told you this was an "Olympics" movie? Send that person to bed without supper.
Send them to bed without popcorn.
When I saw her react to Miracle and said she was going on watch Munich, I was like "Oh, no. You poor thing." This is going to be heavy.
The movie 72 Hours at Munich (1976) was a movie about what happened at the olympics. This was a little about it, but more about the aftermath.
That’s 21 hours.
@@StephenLuke LOL! You are correct! My brain inserted 72 instead of 21 because of the year! That is my mistake; thanks for correcting that!
@@arthurcamargo8416 Typing errors happen all the time, I don't blame you.
I just watched the movie for the 1st time! A masterpiece!
Steven Spielberg is the best!!!
@@StephenLuke agreed!
@@matiaspereira9382 The massacre scene was 80% accurate by the way.
@@StephenLuke yeah. Although there are a few differences. In real life the athletes of the 1st helicopter were never shot before the granade was thrown. I also read Yossef Romano (the 2nd of the 11 victims) was already hurt before the massacre
@@StephenLuke I admit I thought the scenes from the massacre were Avner imagining how it all happened