Me too. Began to watch it with a friend when it came out & he got bored. I rewatched it later by myself. Brilliant film, it spurred me to study abit of history. I've also stood in the Oswald window 😉
Yeah I've always liked this one a lot and should have been reacted to sooner by someone. It's also a film that reminds me that being President can be really really hard.
@@potterj09 - me too. When I first studied the Cuban Missile Crisis, I did a lot of digging into who Khruschchev was, and the characters of Gromyko, Dobrynin, etc. In searching for answers though, I ended up having more questions 😄
If you remember a few weeks back when you watched Star Trek the Undiscovered Country, there's a part in the trial scene where General Chang says "Dont Wait for the translation! Answer the question!" That line was a reference to Adlai Stevensons comments at the U.N. when he says that to the Russian ambassador.
Interesting. I know the part where General LeMay tells President Kennedy that he is in a "bad fix" and Kennedy tells him that "you're in it with me" is a direct quote but that scene is in color. I wonder why the director chose to do that?
@@kebernet I don't know if I would go so far as to say the context is much different. I highlighted the bad fix part but a lot of what LeMay said in that scene is what he said in real life including the part where he referenced Kennedy's past statements and the blockade being seen as politically weak by allies and American citizens. And in real life he said it in a conversation trying to convince Kennedy to go forward with the air strikes and not the blockade, just like the scene. I believe the only major difference is that in real life the conversation took place after Kennedy had made the decision to quarantine Cuba whereas in the movie he is still deciding what to do.
@@JacobLunbeck -- But i think the point is, if it wasn't a literal quote, then it's not in black and white. Remember, a lot of the real White House discussions were recorded on audio, so we do know some things that are quotes. And since this movie was largely historically accurate already, i can see wanting to separate the spirit of truth from literal quotes.
@@JacobLunbeck The film actually had two DP's - Roger Deakins started the film but Andrzej Bartkowiak completed the film and got the credit. Very different styles.
And Schwarzenneger's beautiful ex-wife Maria Shriver was JFK's niece. Why he'd cheat on her with possibly the most unattractive person on earth is beyond me.
@@martensjd AND a member of the Rat Pack, Sinatra's group of hard-partying entertainers, along with Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Sammy Davis Jr. They made the FIRST OCEAN'S 11 film in the early 1960s.
My dad was an apprentice at a Royal Navy Dockyard in Plymouth, UK during the crisis. They all knew that, in the event of even a limited exchange, the dockyard would be a primary target. He told me that when the deadline arrived, he and the rest of the apprentices went outside for a last cigarette and to look for the flash of light.
@@randyshoquist7726 CORRECT. Rules of Engagement within USSR and USA Changed. Each Leader worked to Remove ability of Military to Respond (Nuclear option) without Approval.
That happens from time to time in dire circumstances even between opponents that strongly disagree with each other. This Algonquin Council happened after 911 too. It's above all the partisan politics when the survival of the country is at stake. The previous presidents collectively have vast experience in many areas we cannot even imagine and their perspectives are invaluable.
Yes and the movie does a good job but also it does take several liberties for drama sake and some inaccuracies. The biggest is that Kenny O-Donnel, Kevin Costner's character and main cast member, as well as McMamerra had very little to with the events. I guess at the time McManerra was to busy planing on how to send our troops to get involved and killed in a place we had no business beimg...Vietnam. Also the joint chiefs of the military were not looking for a way start a war like portrayed in in the film. They and no one wanted a nuclear war
@@Patrick-xv6qv My two cents on Nam. Our policies had not changed over the few years from Korea, and that had been looked upon as a great success. History supports the decision to protect South Korea from North Korean/Chinese aggression. Even though ramping up military support for Vietnam was a carry-over from Eisenhower (who was strong enough to keep military in check), JKF fell into the trap of escalating things after the Bay of Pigs when he was criticized for red-lighting military support. That was seen as weakness by the Kremlin which provided the impetus to establish missile bases and as a bargaining chip about the Jupiters in Turkey. And lets not get into the power growth of the CIA through the 1950s. Wikipedia has nice primers on the history of the CIA and United States Militarism. Fascinating!
I watched "Thirteen Days" in the movie theater as a school related activity here in Germany on behalf of our very ambitious and motivated history teacher. Credits to him!!!
my father was in the navy during the missile crises. and was part of the Cuban blockade he died last month, and this movie always make me so proud of his service to this country thank you I needed this movie right now ! and i am grateful to all who served and risked everything in times like these.
@@TotlKaos my father served before he met my mother on the LST USS WALDO COUNTY the waldo will do anything he said they saw no action had no contact with any ship during the blockade
@gregorywilcox5949 I am sorry for the loss of your Father. My Father was a Navy man too, he joined in 1964. He served on the USS Enterprise he signed on to the Navy ROTC as a Junior in Highschool. Then after graduation he went straight to the ship. Had he not been in the Navy ROTC program he probably would have been drafted and sent to Vietnam. My Dad died a few years ago from Asbestos Mesothelioma that most came from Asbestos aboard the ship. I'm proud of my Father and yours as well. Take care.
My feelings EXACTLY. She did another one that crushed me once. I THINK it was that her or Carly didn't know what a beeper was or something like that lol.
Bruce Greenwood, who played JFK. Is actually born in Canada, in Rouyn-Noranda. He did an amazing job along with Steven Culp. They even looked like the Kennedy Brothers.
Greenwood says that during preproduction, he and Culp would call each other up at random hours of the day and night and drill each other on their Boston accents. They called it "Dueling Kennedys."
This is the second time Steven Culp has played RFK. Greenwood and Culp are also Trek alumni; Greenwood as Pike in the JJVerse, and Culp as MACO Major Hayes from Enterprise.
Bruce Greenwood has been around for ages. He was in the sci-fi movie The Core, with Hilary Swank. He was recently on the series The Resident. He is a class act.
We've seen other times where non Americans have played American presidents and done great at it. Daniel-Day Lewis, a English actor, did a great job as Abraham Lincoln in the movie Lincoln.
It's amazing that by the fact we're all still here we know how this movie ends, but it's still tense as hell. And Greenwood and Culp are just amazing. The film leaves with a real sense of sadness at what was lost when JFK and RFK were killed.
6:11 The actor here playing General Maxwell Taylor is Bill Smitrovich, a veteran actor who has been in a number of films, and he’s also a personal friend of mine. 😊 He’s a good guy.
I thought he was wonderful as Inspector Cramer in A&E's Nero Wolfe Mysteries, which BBC broadcast on Saturday afternoons. They seemed to recapture a more optimistic America.
@@charlize1253 - Gen. Taylor was a highly integral man, and a great soldier. I believe that the admiration was mutual. He especially admired RFK's ability to smell a 'snow job' and work around it.
Yet that hotline was still an encrypted teletype, not a voice call. They had no way of knowing who was on the other end and no way of knowing the tone of a person's voice.
There was an earlier film about this event, 1974's The Missiles of October, starring William Devane and Martin Sheen as the Kennedy brothers. It was drawn directly from original transcripts and provides both the American and Russian perspectives and a bit more historical context. It's a gripping film that really shows just how close we came to a nuclear war. Howard De Silva gives a great performance as Khrushchev.
West Berlin (because Berlin was divided) was a Western island marooned in East Germany. It was very vulnerable to attack or even embargo by the Soviet Union, as had already happened in the late 1940s when the Allies had to fly in in supplies by air during the 'Berlin Airlift'.
Yes so the context is that if the U.S. takes out a satellite stronghold of the Soviet Union (Cuba) the Soviets would take out an American Stronghold (West Berlin). In other words chess moves, you take my pawn I take your pawn; and then we escalate to allied countries, then union controlled territories, then possibly direct strike. The final move it to play chicken with the first strike option hoping that the enemy turns and concedes some sort of territorial loss to avoid total Armageddon.
I visited West Berlin as an 11 year old in 1984. My late Dad was working as a civilian for the British Army in W. Germany. We travelled in a British military train through the “corridor” (with armed soldiers on the train) and stayed at Templehof in the US Air Force Officers Hotel for a week. I remember seeing the Berlin Wall and checkpoint Charlie very clearly. It was a very weird time even then.
28:51 If you remember the Klingon trial of Kirk and McCoy in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (1991), which you recently watched for the first time, Cassie, you may recall General Chang (Christopher Plummer) screeching at Kirk “Don’t wait for the translation! Answer me now!” That line was directly based off this exchange between US Ambassador to the United Nations Adlai Stevenson and Soviet Ambassador Valerian Zorin. This exchange at the UN was famous for years as a display of American resistance to Soviet aggression.
i just got surgery a few hours ago and now I'm bed bound for a few weeks and you have saved me from crazy levels of boredom, so thank you (Edit - Thanks everyone for the wishes💯 lifes been really tough lately and it means more than you even realise. ❤️
@opticracer3927 I started watching a few days ago I've been here since but I've done the lotr trilogy, and some of Brad Pitts movies and Tom cruise, maybe more it's kind of been all I've been watching so I could have been drowsy at times or partly awake for some but I've watched quite a few and they've gotten me through these long days in here
41:06 for FOURTY years (since Moscow on the Hudson) Elya Baskin was the go to actor to play an authentic Russian. Played the terrorist pilot in Air Force One.
Adlai was tremendously loyal. He didn't TELL the press, but as an old political animal he has his own friends and sources, he must have found out that the NY Times has the story. Thank you for reacting to such a great piece of cinema and American history!
Adlai Stevenson II was governor of Illinois (1948-1952). His father was Adlai Stevenson I (vice-president under Grover Cleveland). My grandfather died (heart attack) on August 31/September 1, 1939 … the beginning of WW2. Since Social Security was not Vested at that Data … my grandmother and my 13 year old mother received NO Social Security support. The Springfield business community (private) provided support and state provided employment opportunities later. All of her older brothers served during WW2 in military (Europe and Pacific). ** After WW2, My mother worked with private companies & state gov’t - liked Adlai as governor. ** In 1970, during an IL Youth leadership trip to Washington DC, I met his son Adlai Stevenson III - then US Senator from IL (full-circle).
@@w9gb The original Adlai Stevenson was this one's GRANDFATHER. Which makes it ironic that Cleveland's two terms were interrupted by his losing the election of 1888 (although he won the popular vote) to Benjamin Harrison, the only President to be the grandson of another President (Wm. H. Harrison). Adlai #1 was not Cleveland's 1st VP, but Thomas Hendricks had died in office (back then, there was no 25th Amendment, so Cleveland just finished his term without a VP) and so Adlai got the job when Cleveland regained the Presidency. (The only ex-President to do so, although Donald Trump is trying to join that club.) Adlai #1's son, Lewis Stevenson, was the Illinois Secretary of State, but never held Federal office. And then Lewis was the father of Adlai #2.
Technically, RFK was not "serving in the White House." He was the Attorney General, which in the US, is head of the Department of Justice. He's essentially the top prosecutor. But being his brother's confidant, he spent a lot of time in the White House during crises.
The Kennedy brothers were essentially co-presidents, similar to the way the Clinton couple was. Sometimes, your closest friend rules with you, even if not in an official capacity.
This movie is so incredibly underrated. I wish more people would see it. It does a particularly great job at showing the adversarial relationship between Kennedy and the Joint Chiefs as well as the chaotic and stressful nature of the whole event. Part of the reason for Kennedy's distrust of the Joint Chiefs as well as the CIA was the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. You mentioned that you needed to learn more about it. A quick summary is that the CIA trained a number of Cuban exiles to overthrow the Communist government in Cuba led by Fidel Castro. The invasion was a massive failure and the CIA tried to get Kennedy to send in US forces to assist the exiles but he refused as he had been assured by the CIA when he approved the mission that no US forces would be needed. When it turned out that they were in fact needed and Kennedy realized he had essentially been lied to, he held his ground and Castro remained in power. This was considered a massive blow to the Kennedy administration and occurred about a year and a half before the Cuban Missile Crisis so the memory was still fresh in his head.
Personally I don't think the CIA was intentionally going into the bay of pigs lying. I think they MASSIVELY over estimated the will the Cuban exiles had to fight. I think they expected they'd fight to free their country. But once the bullets started flying they lost the will to fight. They where looking at the invasion if they were using trained US soldiers. If they have used regular US Soldiers it probably would have been as simple as signing on the line and it would have been done.
I was two months shy of my tenth birthday. I remember going home from school on the Friday before it all came to a head, saying to a friend, "See you Monday." His response: "Yeah, if we're still here."
Truly an underrated movie. Always liked the ending where they walk away and you see the shadows on the wall and the last shadow looks like a silhouette of JFK..
To answer your question, Kennedy served another 13 months before being assassinated. Not very well known is that ALL humans owe their very existence to Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov. He was onboard Russian sub B-59 that had lost all contact with the outside world. The captain, believing nuclear war was already underway, wanted his nuclear torpedos be fired at the American ships. That certainly would have been the shot that started the nuclear exchange reaction resulting in the end of most life on this planet. Arkhipov was a senior naval officer who happened to be on that sub as an observer. The launch had to be an unanimous decision of all 3 senior officers and he disagreed. Good thing he was on that sub, huh? He was awarded Russia's highest medal for basically saving the world. I was 8 when all this went down and what I remember most about it was my step dad, having served in both the Army and Air Force, was called up as a reserve by both branches to stand by. I remember he was looking at both of his uniforms to check their conditions. And here we are today, 62 years later, with Putin as aggressive as ever and still playing stupid games with threats of use of nuclear weapons.
Don't meaning to oversimplify but I believe God stopped it I don't think God would allow world war 3 and nuclear weapons I just don't think he'll allow it. the only place God allows/causes massive explosions in nuclear is the Sun itself... 46:38
I believe Crimson Tide was inspired by this event. Thanks for sharing! In the documentary "Fog of War", Robert McNamara recounts meeting Fidel Castro thirty years later. During their conversation, Castro said he was urging Kruschev to launch an attack on the US. McNamara reminded Castro that a first strike from Cuba/USSR would have resulted in a full nuclear response and a complete annihilation of Cuba, killing millions. Castro, affirmed and said it would have been worth it for the 'movement'. McNamara was shocked at the response.
just reread/listened to "the sum of all fears" by tom clancy . it's about tension and misunderstanding building up to a full on nuclear exchange . a riveting read
Oh yes we were scared shitless. I was 11 at the time. Our mom kept us home from school and locked us in the hall in the center of our house. She was white faced, wouldn't tell us anything but was glued to the radio with the volume too low for us to hear. For three very long days.
When the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, I was in 8th grade. We lived within a 15-minute drive of a prime target, and less than an hour from 3 others. The thought of being vaporized in a millisecond crossed my mind more than once. Thanks for your honest, heartfelt reaction.
Ditto brother! Georgia; in driving distance of a military base as my father was a career soldier himself, We had no hope if the balloon went up. Did you have to practise ducking and covering? (Basically kissing your own ass goodbye). 😮
7:08 -> What was the intent? To issue retribution for the nuclear-armed missiles that the United States had stationed in Turkey in previous years. Kennedy made the deal to take nukes out of turkey with kruschev if soviets took nukes out of cuba, but said to kruschev that if he spoke of it, he would deny it.
The intention was to deter the covert operations that were being conducted against Cuba. Operation 40, S-Force, Bay of Pigs, Operation Mongoose. All efforts launched by the CIA to overthrow and/or assassinate Castro.
Since Cassie invited 'splaining, here are the answers to some of the questions she asked during her reaction, based on my general history knowledge (I am not a historian or expert): 1. Did Adlai Stevenson leak the news of the missile crisis to the New York Times? No. Stevenson learned that the Times had the story and alerted the White House to this fact. As UN Ambassador, Stevenson was based in NYC and heard things that hadn't made it to DC yet. 2. Why didn't JFK just call Khrushchev? There was no way to do that in 1962. In fact, one of the outcomes of the Missile Crisis was that the two of them established the hotline, which allowed direct communication between them and their successors for the remainder of the Cold War in order to avoid having this kind of thing happen again. 3. Did the public know how close we were? Yes. Although people in 1962 didn't expect to have the real time transparency of every twist and turn we have today, the nation--and much of the world--was riveted to the crisis. For those in the United States alive at the time it was a traumatic even that they usually recall to this day. (Perhaps in Canada too?) 4. Was JFK popular as a President at this time and/or before his assassination? Compared to President's in the 21st Century, all Presidents of the period were wildly popular. The U.S. overall was just more satisfied with their society, more supportive of government, and more respectful of political elites than today. JFK was elected in one of the closest races of the 20th Century and had trouble passing his priorities through Congress; the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis gave him some temporary bumps, but the overall trend was down. By the time of his assassination, he was considered vulnerable though still the favorite for re-election in what was expected to be another close, tough race. As a matter of averages, however, he is the most popular President of the post-war era. This is because most Presidents tend to see their lowest numbers in the second term, which JFK never lived to achieve. (After death, he became a national hero and icon, of course.) 5. What was the USSR's motivation for placing missiles in Cuba? The main motivation was to thwart further U.S. intervention in Cuba and secure Castro's communist government there. Castro (the Cuban leader) lobbied hard for the missiles. Initially resistant, Khrushchev was persuaded after a long series of U.S. attempts to subvert the Castro regime culminated in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion. (An invasion by U.S. armed and equipped Cuban refugees seeking to topple the government and install a new one.) One last thing--not something Cassie asked but something I don't see in the comments. Yes, the film essentially flips O'Donnell's role with Ted Sorenson's for dramatic effect (presumably the filmmakers preferred a Catholic, Massachusetts working class, streetwise hero to Sorenson's urbane, academic, poet, whiz-kid profile), but more surprising to me was the portrayal of Maxwell Tayler (The Head of the Joint Chiefs) as in league with the brass in trying to subvert the Kennedys. In reality, Taylor (who later became an architect of the Vietnam War) was their man. He had helped develop Kennedy's defense policy when he was a candidate and they brought him in after the Bay of Pigs because they didn't trust the Joint Chiefs and has been much criticized by historians for acting as a filter preventing the brass from giving JFK (and later LBJ) their unvarnished input. How close were they? RFK named one of his sons after him--three years after the events portrayed in the film!
Thanks for reacting to this movie, not your usual and I really appreciate it. I was just starting High School in 1962. Our family was stationed at Tyndall Air Force Base in Panama City, Fl. When the Defcon 3 order went out my dad disappeared into the base operations which then locked down. We didn't see him for days. We did see the President on TV, and were glued to the news. I was pretty sure this was it. And, since we were located so close to Cuba and a military target, I was sure that it was the end. When it was over enough for my dad to come home we all cried. He told me this was the closest we ever had gotten to WWIII.
For anyone who enjoyed this film, consider watching "The West Wing". It has a similar feel to this film and, in my opinion, is one of the greatest television shows of all time.
Maybe the first two seasons. It starts to drop in quality after that, then very sharply falls off a cliff at the end with the goofy election season that turns Donna into a political savant.
This is a great movie. I think it captured the intensity of this period of history quite well. Kevin Costner's character took a liberty on the historical material, but it worked in this context. The chap who played Bobby Kennedy whacked it out of the park.
Kennedy was universally loved by the American public and the European public. When he died everyone was in mourning. Next to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Kennedy was the most popular president we have ever had. I was in 4th grade in social studies class when the janitor came up to the outside window and reported that Kennedy had been shot. After class the I saw the teacher across the hall crying her eyes out.
35:06 “Battlefield nuclear weapons” are tactical nuclear weapons and include gravity bombs, short-range missiles, artillery shells, land mines, depth charges, and torpedoes which are equipped with nuclear warheads. Also in this category are nuclear armed ground-based or shipborne surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and air-to-air missiles. Very deadly.
@@CorneliusSchwarzenstein It would fall under the category of battlefield nuclear weapons but the Davy Crockett was never “in use.” It went through extensive research and testing from 1958 to 1963 but was ultimately deemed to be too inaccurate to implement amongst troops.
I grew up in Orlando, FL about 10 miles north of what is now Orlando International Airport but in 1962 was still McCoy Air Force Base (MCO). MCO was a Strategic Air Command (SAC) base, home to B-52 strategic nuclear bombers and KC-135 aerial refueling tankers. I don't remember my parents watching the news about the Cuban Missile Crisis on TV, but I do remember how worried everyone in the neighborhood was the day that MCO went on alert and the entire B-52 bomber wing and the KC-135 tankers launched within a span of about 20 minutes and flew over our house. Alert exercises like this had happened before but this time seemed very different. Fortunately both sides found a way to step back from the brink.
27:50 Walter Lippmann was a major newspaper writer, journalist, and political commentator of the time. His writings and in particular his newspaper column were very widely read by most Americans, especially by those in the government in Washington, D.C., and throughout corporate America. With a career spanning 60 years, he is famous for being among the first to introduce the concept of the Cold War, coining the term "stereotype" in the modern psychological meaning, as well as critiquing media and democracy in his newspaper column and several books, most notably his 1922 book Public Opinion.
I lived in Tucson, AZ at the height of the Cold War in the sixties. They tested our air raid sirens in the city every Saturday at noon. Having Titan missile silos we were thought to be a prime military target. I remember during the Cuban Missile Crisis a family of our friends moved away out of fear of nuclear attack.
Curtis LeMay was what you call an interesting person. He was instrumental in winning WWII in the Pacific. He ran the air bridge to Berlin. He organized the SAC and the first generation of America's nuclear deterrent. But the thinking that made him such a great military commander earlier made him very dangerous in this case. Which is why he was forced to retire six months later.
Cuban Missle Crisis ended Oct 29, 1962, Kennedy was assasinated on Nov 22, 1963 around a year later. I still think the Military Industrial Complex had a hand in the assasintation, mainly because the Vietnam conflict expanded largely after his death.
Your dates are indeed correct since the recognized end date of the Cuban Missile Crisis was Monday, October 29, 1962, and JFK was assassinated 389 days later on Friday, November 22, 1963 -- he was in office for a total of only 1,036 days.
War is big business in Washington. They approve bills for weapons sales to Israel and Ukraine, for example. Those contracts go to weapon contractors that supply the weapons. The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. He wanted to call off the moon race and cooperate with the Soviets. He signed a treaty to ban nuclear testing, he refused to invade Cuba in 1962. Kennedy even set out to withdrawal from Vietnam. But that ended on 22 November 1963. Trump is fighting a system that has been in place long before Joe Biden’s first day in office. Eisenhower said beware of the military industrial complex.
Yes, Jack Kennedy was genuinely liked. He was an honest-to-gosh war hero (I seriously can't understand how he wasn't awarded the Medal of Honor) and the personification of post-war America; young, intelligent, athletic, educated, articulate and witty. Fabulously wealthy yet a champion of progressive causes to enable the destitute and downtrodden. He was handsome with a beautiful wife and growing family that the whole world adored, they truly were our 'First Family' -- Arthur and Guinevere of the American Camelot [seriously. it was a whole societal gestalt thing. and the Broadway musical/movie "Camelot" rode that wave for all it was worth] He pointed us toward the stars (ok, the Moon, but ya'know). And, um, Marilyn...
I took a class on the Cuban Missile Crisis in college. One of the specialties of my PoliSci professor who taught the class was Cold War history. We had to watch this film at some point and he assured us with absolute certainty that this movies portrayal was fairly accurate to what actually happened. His assessment was 85% in terms of how much it got right. Fantastic movie! And sadly, being forgotten.
I remember all of this well! Kennedy's press conference to the American people on October 22nd happened on my birthday! People were constructing fallout shelters in their back yards, buying out canned goods clearing grocery stores, all in a fierce panic! Oh yeah, I remember all of this VERY WELL!! GREAT REACTION by you once again! Thank YOU!
i remember our "duck and cover" drills in school where we'd crouch under our desks. and i have a vague memory on The Day, an announcement on the inercom dismissing school and telling all the kids to get home to their families as quickly as possible. frightening...
I remember this very well. For a few days there it was like the whole world was holding its breath. I was a kid and I didn't expect to get any older. I wasn't alone, I think.
I first learned about the Cuban Missile crisis in primary school (elementary school?), as a 10 year old in south Dublin. We had a brilliant teacher, who made history come alive, be it The Pass of Thermopylae or The Cold War. Ireland (1980's), enthusiastic about Kennedy's successes. Our teacher set the scene with Kennedy's naval service in World War II but Khruschev having served in both the First and Second World Wars, testing Kennedy's metal. I remember he mentioned Kennedy going to mass on the day he would have to authorize the missile strike. Also 'October 1962, just checking if my parents were alive'. Dear God, how young are You or how old am I?
My dad was active duty army during the crisis and was one of 180,000 men getting ready to hit Cuba. His discharge in 63 has Kennedy's signature for his good service.
I remember this tense period in our history. I was in 8th grade. I also remember the "Duck & Cover" drills in school. The accent is a Boston accent. He was assassinated Nov '63, I was in 9th grade english when the teachers were called to the office. We were sent home.
Good reaction.. I enjoyed the entire week. The accents are thick in this movie. Costner uses a New Orleans accent in Oliver Stone’s “JFK”. I also think JFK is his best movie - a “JFK” reaction could garner big views on TH-cam, however none of the popular channels have chosen to react to it. Maybe, all the reactors have seen it before? Perhaps, the more popular reactors are nervous to tackle content considered controversial - a humorous proposition considering many of those reactors have no problem reacting to Mel Gibson movies… I look forward to what comes.🖖🏿. p.s. did you notice the Oliver Stone cameo in the movie “Dave”. He played himself being interviewed on “Larry King Live”, he was commenting government conspiracy. The movie “Dave“ was released 2 years after Stone’s “JFK” - a movie about conspiracy. Great cameo. 🖖🏿
Flashbacks to having a hard time finding this movie on DVD in spanish so I could watch it with my Cuban Stepdad months later I found a copy. My stepdad was(RIP) a cuban Expat who was a kid in cuba during the missile crisis and came to the US in the early 90s! Thanks for bringing back a memory of watching this movie with him
The production chose black and white to evoke the news footage of the era. BTW Bruce Greenwood who played JFK is Canadian FYI. The speech Kennedy gave at the end was called the Peace Speech given at American University in 1963. Kennedy was well known for asking all the questions when he was given options.
I lived through this time. We did duck and cover drills in Canada 🇨🇦 and had a test evacuation of Calgary. They had air raid sirens back then but thankfully, not any more as that is one sound that still freaks me inside.
Great job, Cassie, and that coming from a 75-year-old who was a frightened 13-year old during the crisis ! I'm proud of you for this one. Yes, many of us who didn't have our heads in the sand thought a nuclear war could happen any day. JFK had serious flaws, but his courage, judgment and level-headed approach to the crisis possibly saved the world. For that, he should be best remembered.
I was born 7 years later in 1969 in NJ but my now late uncle used to tell me about this a lot. He told me he went to bed not knowing if he'd wake-up. That was a Massachusetts and or what used to be known as a Boston Irish accent. Great movie, thanks !
24:28 war is big business in Washington. They approve bills for weapons sales to Israel and Ukraine, for example. Those contracts go to weapon contractors that supply the weapons. The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. He wanted to call off the moon race and cooperate with the Soviets. He signed a treaty to ban nuclear testing, he refused to invade Cuba in 1962. Kennedy even set out to withdrawal from Vietnam. But that ended on 22 November 1963. Trump is fighting a system that has been in place long before Joe Biden’s first day in office. Eisenhower said beware of the military industrial complex.
This was one of my favorite movies depicting history, and remarkably accurate. Bruce Greenwood, who played JFK, has been in a ton of movies. I think you would enjoy "Double Jeopardy", with Greenwood, Ashley Judd, and Tommy Lee Jones. It's very "The Fugitive" like, suspense/thriller with a twist. Based on what you've watched, this one's right up your alley. Great review of "13 Days"; always enjoy your channel!
As JFK said "The generals have a way of always fighting the last war. They always tell you how important it is to get ready for the next war. But they also have it easy. If we go their way and we lose, no one will ever bother them again. If we go my way and we lose, everyone will be after them for not being prepared."
Many people (I think) would argue that that is "a Bostonian accent," ...however, it's, really, a, relatively, specific "Kennedy accent." An odd familial variation on a New England/Boston accent and, totally, a factor in the speech of all of the Kennedy brothers & cousins (whom I can ever recall hearing), etc. ...and many of their compatriots (which suggests that it isn't (per se) "family-centric," but, rather, 'specifically micro-regional" 🤷🤷🤷but it is, also, possible that "people who spent time around the Kennedies" also started to speak like the Kennedies did (It is a common behavioral familiarity element whiuch occurs among people).
FUN FACT about Jay Ward the producer of the "Rocky & Bullwinkle" cartoon : In 1962, as a publicity stunt, Ward leased a small island on a lake between Minnesota and Canada, which he named after "Moosylvania", a small island shown in the later Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. In a campaign to make the island into the 51st state, he and Scott drove a van across the country to about 50-60 cities collecting petition signatures. Arriving in Washington, D.C., they pulled up to the White House gate to see President Kennedy, and were brusquely turned away. They had arrived during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis." - Wiki
All presidents have their detractors, but JFK was truly beloved by most Americans. It was because of his cool leadership that the world didn't end in 1962. But because of the military industrial complex, the military leadership was eager for a world that was continually at war. Eisenhower, a (republican) even warned Americans about this in his Farwell speech. I highly recommend watching (JFK) it explains it in much more detail. Excellent reactions! You and your sister are both adorable!
The movie _JFK_ is debunked, conspiracy theory claptrap that absolutely should not be taken seriously or at face value by anyone seeking to understand the 1960s or the influence of the military industrial complex.
32:35 This actor, Tom Everett, you may remember seeing before. He was in the opening scene in DANCES WITH WOLVES, playing Sgt. Pepper, a Union officer cowering behind a barricade with Kevin Costner’s character Lt. John Dunbar, before Dunbar takes his horse and leaps over Pepper in a desperate attempt to divert enemy fire, which works.
The USSR knew that the U2 Americans were flying over Cuba and Russia because the Soviets shot one down in 1960. Bobby Kennedy was the Attorney General in the Kennedy administration. As a side note, in Oct 1962 I was 9 years old. I wasn't sure I would live to see my 10th birthday in November. We knew what was going on and we were scared shitless.
The brink was closer than we thought. In the late 1990s, an elderly Robert McNamara revealed that he learned years afterwards that US intelligence was wrong and the missiles were already operational (the idea of the invasion plan was to strike before they were operational), and a US invasion would been met with nuclear missile strikes.
Thank you for watching Thirteen Days. It’s one of my favorite movies and I felt it never got the praise it deserved. Awesome reactions big fan of your channel 😊
@@cohalensadventures5331 Oh interesting. I always kind of assumed there was a main White House set that maybe the studios shared. I remember them pointing out on the WB tour where West Wing was filmed. But that had probably been torn down by 2004. Anyways that's cool that you got to work on this movie. Super curious about Kevin Costner.
@@ct6852The sets at this soundstage had The White House; The U.N.; The Navel Blockage and the Stevenson /Presidents War room sets. Bruce Greenwood composed a song for Cast & Crew called "Blues for Thirteen Days that had the Lyrics "They're tearing down the White House" that brought back memories of the final days of the shoot where they literally tore down the White House set that we had spent so much time working on. Hanging out in the Oval Office and taking the connection door into Kenny's Office gave a realism to the set that made you almost feel like you were actually walking the halls of The Real White House. Curious about Kevin? How so?
@@cohalensadventures5331 Just curious what he's like in person. Water World and Postman always kind of gave me the impression that his ego must be pretty huge. Love him as an actor though. But yeah I always thought the tearing down of those sets must be a sad day. Some of them really are beautiful. Can't say Barbie was my favorite movie or anything...but that set looked really impressive. And expensive. One of the best physical sets I've seen in a while. Poor Things' looked cool, too.
I was eleven years old living in Minnesota. My father packed up our car with provisitions and was getting ready to drive our family north to Canada. Also our elementary school had us hide under our desks and one day they had all us kids just run home from school. Scary times.
The movie was pretty much accurate. The Soviets put nukes in Cuba as a retaliation for US nukes in Turkey. So that was their motivation. JFK created back channels to Russia and Cuba, which you saw in the movie, thereby going around his defense cabinet, and there you see how some factions in the gov’t hated Kennedy for it. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out many people wanted JFK out of the way. Especially since he didn’t want US troops to go to Vietnam. Sending troops to Vietnam was one of President Johnson’s first acts as president. Sadly, these games are still played today. Iraq, Afghanistan, and now war drums against Iran. And soon China. It’s all about power with these people. And money since politicians make bank on the stock market with defense contractors.
Kennedy sent 16 000 troops to Vietnam. Whether he would have escalated further is a hotly debated topic. But at least he wasn't as hotheaded as the president who ordered the Bay of Pigs invasion.
Declassified Soviet intel presents a further justification. The Soviet military determined, rightly, that the could not defend Cuba with conventional forces, thus the placement of "Nukes" previously requested by Cuba would work as a deterrent to an invasion. The US followed a similar policy in Germany "where U.S. nuclear weapons were originally deployed to deter Soviet aggression, via conventional military attack or nuclear strike, and to reassure NATO allies in Western Europe." One of the most dangerous issue with this policy in Cuba was that at the time of "13 Days" the Soviets already had working nuclear missiles in Cuba, but had been deny it. Not going public with your deterrent kind has a different effect than one might plan. The US pledge not to invade, in the end, fixed the Soviet major issue with Cuba. The removal of the missiles as well as all negotiation were done without Cuba, and annoyed them to no end.
I did a presentation on the cuban missile crisis in 8th grade or so, most of the stuff went well over the heads of my classmates. sadly this movie came out only shortly after it. loved it ever since, watched it countless times. it also has one of the best-written scripts that I am aware off.
You have to watch JFk to fully understand the level of sacrifice Kennedy made for standing what he believed in. He was killed not only for these events but his stance on the Vietnam War. The old gaurd did not take kindly to his upsetting the balance of power and John paid the ultimate price.
The MIC had already screwed Kennedy with the Bay of Pigs few months into his term.. Support 1800 Cuban dissidents in their attempt to overthrow the Cuban government they said, that would be enough to topple the new communist Cuban government. In reality the 1800 were never meant to succeed, but rather to be destroyed by Cuba to force Kennedy's hand and send in US troops. They attempted to play and manipulate him to their will, this young President that was averse to war for war's sake. He resisted that one, IMO he knew he couldn't trust the military (Dulles was fired soon after). History rhymes. Today the same thing appears to be happening in Ukraine and Gaza. MIC goading a POTUS into war again.
My dad was serving in the Army in Washington D.C. during this weekend. He was put on high alert, and because he was in the Army, he had more information of what was going on than the general public. My mom and dad thought he was going to have to fight in World War 3 that weekend.
Thank you for watching this movie. It is one of my all time favorite movie. I was 10 years old, I was so scared during that time. We had drills at school, which made it that more real. Every time I see this movie, I still get that same feeling when I was 10, But I Love it.
Alot of people just dont realize how close we came to a nuclear holocaust in 1962. One miscalculation, one rush to judgment and the world wouldve went up in flames and millions of people were gonna die in an instant. This is why its important to have sound leaders at the time of a crisis of this magnitude.
This movie is so underrated. It’s not talked about that much these days but I’ve always loved it.
COMPLETELY agree! As a fan of history, its pretty damned accurate too. Which is INSANE. Its a miracle we survived those 13 days.
Most TH-cam reactors (not Cassie) are petrified to be the first person to react to something.
Me too. Began to watch it with a friend when it came out & he got bored. I rewatched it later by myself. Brilliant film, it spurred me to study abit of history. I've also stood in the Oswald window 😉
Yeah I've always liked this one a lot and should have been reacted to sooner by someone. It's also a film that reminds me that being President can be really really hard.
@@potterj09 - me too. When I first studied the Cuban Missile Crisis, I did a lot of digging into who Khruschchev was, and the characters of Gromyko, Dobrynin, etc. In searching for answers though, I ended up having more questions 😄
The actor who played Bobby was so spot on he was scary.
If you remember a few weeks back when you watched Star Trek the Undiscovered Country, there's a part in the trial scene where General Chang says "Dont Wait for the translation! Answer the question!"
That line was a reference to Adlai Stevensons comments at the U.N. when he says that to the Russian ambassador.
Greenwood and Culp should've won Oscars. There hasn't been an ensemble cast this good since the movie Network back in 1976.
The bits in black and white are things that are direct historical quotes.
Interesting. I know the part where General LeMay tells President Kennedy that he is in a "bad fix" and Kennedy tells him that "you're in it with me" is a direct quote but that scene is in color. I wonder why the director chose to do that?
@@JacobLunbeck Context of the line changed. A lot of the other dialog is borrowed from real lines or books, but still "fictionalized."
@@kebernet I don't know if I would go so far as to say the context is much different. I highlighted the bad fix part but a lot of what LeMay said in that scene is what he said in real life including the part where he referenced Kennedy's past statements and the blockade being seen as politically weak by allies and American citizens. And in real life he said it in a conversation trying to convince Kennedy to go forward with the air strikes and not the blockade, just like the scene. I believe the only major difference is that in real life the conversation took place after Kennedy had made the decision to quarantine Cuba whereas in the movie he is still deciding what to do.
@@JacobLunbeck -- But i think the point is, if it wasn't a literal quote, then it's not in black and white. Remember, a lot of the real White House discussions were recorded on audio, so we do know some things that are quotes. And since this movie was largely historically accurate already, i can see wanting to separate the spirit of truth from literal quotes.
@@JacobLunbeck The film actually had two DP's - Roger Deakins started the film but Andrzej Bartkowiak completed the film and got the credit. Very different styles.
I think the casting of JFK and Bobby Kennedy in 'Thirteen Days' was exceptional.
Both actors would appear in Star Trek in one area or another.
I know! I can't remember his name but I've seen him in some other film or TV series. He's a great actor.
He's HODAD
Steven culp as bobby bruce greenwood (a Canadian!) as JFK
A year and a month later Kennedy would be assassinated
The RF 8 pilot was played by Christopher Lawford, his father was Peter Lawford and mother was Patricia Kennedy, JFK's sister.
Peter Lawford was also close to Frank Sinatra and a host of other interesting characters.
And Schwarzenneger's beautiful ex-wife Maria Shriver was JFK's niece. Why he'd cheat on her with possibly the most unattractive person on earth is beyond me.
In other words, he's JFK's nephew.
For people much younger than me, Peter Lawford was a well-known actor in the '60s.
@@martensjd AND a member of the Rat Pack, Sinatra's group of hard-partying entertainers, along with Dean Martin, Joey Bishop and Sammy Davis Jr. They made the FIRST OCEAN'S 11 film in the early 1960s.
My dad was an apprentice at a Royal Navy Dockyard in Plymouth, UK during the crisis. They all knew that, in the event of even a limited exchange, the dockyard would be a primary target.
He told me that when the deadline arrived, he and the rest of the apprentices went outside for a last cigarette and to look for the flash of light.
"Communicate with the Soviets? We can't even talk to the Pentagon and they're just across the goddamn river!"
That line always makes me laugh.
I believe it was in response to this crisis that the hot line between D.C. and Moscow was established.
@@randyshoquist7726 Good call, Randy. Exactly correct.
@@randyshoquist7726 CORRECT. Rules of Engagement within USSR and USA Changed.
Each Leader worked to Remove ability of Military to Respond (Nuclear option) without Approval.
JFK was so thoughtful about the situation he actually called every single former President still alive to take advice. Never ceases to amaze me.
That happens from time to time in dire circumstances even between opponents that strongly disagree with each other. This Algonquin Council happened after 911 too. It's above all the partisan politics when the survival of the country is at stake. The previous presidents collectively have vast experience in many areas we cannot even imagine and their perspectives are
invaluable.
@@elessartelcontar9415 The way I see it, it's an amazing display of American political maturity.
History Buffs channel did an excellent historical accuracy video on this movie, and gave it a lot of credit, high praise for the most part
The Buffs know all.
Yes and the movie does a good job but also it does take several liberties for drama sake and some inaccuracies. The biggest is that Kenny O-Donnel, Kevin Costner's character and main cast member, as well as McMamerra had very little to with the events. I guess at the time McManerra was to busy planing on how to send our troops to get involved and killed in a place we had no business beimg...Vietnam.
Also the joint chiefs of the military were not looking for a way start a war like portrayed in in the film. They and no one wanted a nuclear war
That was a great docu
@@Patrick-xv6qv My two cents on Nam. Our policies had not changed over the few years from Korea, and that had been looked upon as a great success. History supports the decision to protect South Korea from North Korean/Chinese aggression. Even though ramping up military support for Vietnam was a carry-over from Eisenhower (who was strong enough to keep military in check), JKF fell into the trap of escalating things after the Bay of Pigs when he was criticized for red-lighting military support. That was seen as weakness by the Kremlin which provided the impetus to establish missile bases and as a bargaining chip about the Jupiters in Turkey. And lets not get into the power growth of the CIA through the 1950s. Wikipedia has nice primers on the history of the CIA and United States Militarism. Fascinating!
I was going to comment this exact thing, I'm glad someone else did it first!
I watched "Thirteen Days" in the movie theater as a school related activity here in Germany on behalf of our very ambitious and motivated history teacher. Credits to him!!!
my father was in the navy during the missile crises. and was part of the Cuban blockade he died last month, and this movie always make me so proud of his service to this country thank you I needed this movie right now ! and i am grateful to all who served and risked everything in times like these.
My father was also serving in the Navy at the time. The base went on lockdown and my Mother did not know if we would see him again. I was 1 year old.
@@TotlKaos my father served before he met my mother on the LST USS WALDO COUNTY the waldo will do anything he said they saw no action had no contact with any ship during the blockade
God bless you and your family. May your father rest in peace.
@gregorywilcox5949 I am sorry for the loss of your Father. My Father was a Navy man too, he joined in 1964. He served on the USS Enterprise he signed on to the Navy ROTC as a Junior in Highschool. Then after graduation he went straight to the ship. Had he not been in the Navy ROTC program he probably would have been drafted and sent to Vietnam. My Dad died a few years ago from Asbestos Mesothelioma that most came from Asbestos aboard the ship. I'm proud of my Father and yours as well. Take care.
"Trying to figure out if my parents were born yet" Way to make some of us feel old! :)
That's exactly what I thought time those words left her mouth!
@@markstoudenmire4935- Me too.
My feelings EXACTLY. She did another one that crushed me once. I THINK it was that her or Carly didn't know what a beeper was or something like that lol.
Yeah, mine were 7-8
Right. Mine were early and mid thirties
Bruce Greenwood, who played JFK. Is actually born in Canada, in Rouyn-Noranda. He did an amazing job along with Steven Culp. They even looked like the Kennedy Brothers.
We saw him 2 weeks ago in "I, Robot".
Hope we get to see the Abrams Star Trek bit.
Greenwood says that during preproduction, he and Culp would call each other up at random hours of the day and night and drill each other on their Boston accents. They called it "Dueling Kennedys."
This is the second time Steven Culp has played RFK. Greenwood and Culp are also Trek alumni; Greenwood as Pike in the JJVerse, and Culp as MACO Major Hayes from Enterprise.
Bruce Greenwood has been around for ages. He was in the sci-fi movie The Core, with Hilary Swank. He was recently on the series The Resident. He is a class act.
We've seen other times where non Americans have played American presidents and done great at it. Daniel-Day Lewis, a English actor, did a great job as Abraham Lincoln in the movie Lincoln.
It's amazing that by the fact we're all still here we know how this movie ends, but it's still tense as hell. And Greenwood and Culp are just amazing. The film leaves with a real sense of sadness at what was lost when JFK and RFK were killed.
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6:11 The actor here playing General Maxwell Taylor is Bill Smitrovich, a veteran actor who has been in a number of films, and he’s also a personal friend of mine. 😊 He’s a good guy.
I thought he was wonderful as Inspector Cramer in A&E's Nero Wolfe Mysteries, which BBC broadcast on Saturday afternoons. They seemed to recapture a more optimistic America.
RFK admired General Taylor so much that he named one of his sons Maxwell Taylor Kennedy
I've been a fan of Mr. Smitrovitch from his appearances in "Crime Story", "Independence Day" and "Nero Wolfe".
@@charlize1253 - Gen. Taylor was a highly integral man, and a great soldier. I believe that the admiration was mutual. He especially admired RFK's ability to smell a 'snow job' and work around it.
Loved him in Crime Story
The pilot that lied about being shot was portrayed by Christopher Lawford whose dad was actor Peter Lawford who in turn was JFK's brother in law 😊
100 percent correct . The other pilot in that scene was Kenny O’Donnell’s real life grandson
more specifically, President Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy were Chris Lawford's Uncles.
In reality they were flying so low and fast that they were never even fired upon.
She needs to do reactions videos to History Buffs
The reasons that Kennedy didn't call Khrushchev is because he couldn't. The hotline between the USA and USSR wasn't installed until the next year.
Yet that hotline was still an encrypted teletype, not a voice call. They had no way of knowing who was on the other end and no way of knowing the tone of a person's voice.
@@anpanmanmiruDid not know that.
I believe it was installed because of the Cuban missile crisis.
There was an earlier film about this event, 1974's The Missiles of October, starring William Devane and Martin Sheen as the Kennedy brothers. It was drawn directly from original transcripts and provides both the American and Russian perspectives and a bit more historical context. It's a gripping film that really shows just how close we came to a nuclear war. Howard De Silva gives a great performance as Khrushchev.
Cassie should do a Da Silva double-header…"1776" (1972) with Da Silva as Ben Franklin, and then "The Missiles of October"!
West Berlin (because Berlin was divided) was a Western island marooned in East Germany. It was very vulnerable to attack or even embargo by the Soviet Union, as had already happened in the late 1940s when the Allies had to fly in in supplies by air during the 'Berlin Airlift'.
Yes so the context is that if the U.S. takes out a satellite stronghold of the Soviet Union (Cuba) the Soviets would take out an American Stronghold (West Berlin). In other words chess moves, you take my pawn I take your pawn; and then we escalate to allied countries, then union controlled territories, then possibly direct strike. The final move it to play chicken with the first strike option hoping that the enemy turns and concedes some sort of territorial loss to avoid total Armageddon.
I visited West Berlin as an 11 year old in 1984. My late Dad was working as a civilian for the British Army in W. Germany. We travelled in a British military train through the “corridor” (with armed soldiers on the train) and stayed at Templehof in the US Air Force Officers Hotel for a week. I remember seeing the Berlin Wall and checkpoint Charlie very clearly. It was a very weird time even then.
28:51 If you remember the Klingon trial of Kirk and McCoy in STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (1991), which you recently watched for the first time, Cassie, you may recall General Chang (Christopher Plummer) screeching at Kirk “Don’t wait for the translation! Answer me now!” That line was directly based off this exchange between US Ambassador to the United Nations Adlai Stevenson and Soviet Ambassador Valerian Zorin. This exchange at the UN was famous for years as a display of American resistance to Soviet aggression.
i just got surgery a few hours ago and now I'm bed bound for a few weeks and you have saved me from crazy levels of boredom, so thank you
(Edit - Thanks everyone for the wishes💯 lifes been really tough lately and it means more than you even realise. ❤️
Hi, what movie reactions have you seen so far?
Oh and get well soon!
Binging on Cassie's movie reactions is a great way to pass time. Hope you heal quickly.
@opticracer3927 I started watching a few days ago I've been here since but I've done the lotr trilogy, and some of Brad Pitts movies and Tom cruise, maybe more it's kind of been all I've been watching so I could have been drowsy at times or partly awake for some but I've watched quite a few and they've gotten me through these long days in here
You got bored fast. I wish you the best for your recovery!
I wish you a speedy recovery.
Blessings and love
41:06 for FOURTY years (since Moscow on the Hudson) Elya Baskin was the go to actor to play an authentic Russian. Played the terrorist pilot in Air Force One.
Adlai was tremendously loyal. He didn't TELL the press, but as an old political animal he has his own friends and sources, he must have found out that the NY Times has the story.
Thank you for reacting to such a great piece of cinema and American history!
Adlai Stevenson II was governor of Illinois (1948-1952).
His father was Adlai Stevenson I (vice-president under Grover Cleveland).
My grandfather died (heart attack) on August 31/September 1, 1939 … the beginning of WW2.
Since Social Security was not Vested at that Data … my grandmother and my 13 year old mother
received NO Social Security support. The Springfield business community (private) provided support
and state provided employment opportunities later.
All of her older brothers served during WW2 in military (Europe and Pacific).
** After WW2, My mother worked with private companies & state gov’t - liked Adlai as governor. **
In 1970, during an IL Youth leadership trip to Washington DC,
I met his son Adlai Stevenson III - then US Senator from IL (full-circle).
@@w9gb The original Adlai Stevenson was this one's GRANDFATHER. Which makes it ironic that Cleveland's two terms were interrupted by his losing the election of 1888 (although he won the popular vote) to Benjamin Harrison, the only President to be the grandson of another President (Wm. H. Harrison).
Adlai #1 was not Cleveland's 1st VP, but Thomas Hendricks had died in office (back then, there was no 25th Amendment, so Cleveland just finished his term without a VP) and so Adlai got the job when Cleveland regained the Presidency. (The only ex-President to do so, although Donald Trump is trying to join that club.)
Adlai #1's son, Lewis Stevenson, was the Illinois Secretary of State, but never held Federal office. And then Lewis was the father of Adlai #2.
Technically, RFK was not "serving in the White House." He was the Attorney General, which in the US, is head of the Department of Justice. He's essentially the top prosecutor. But being his brother's confidant, he spent a lot of time in the White House during crises.
He was in the White House a lot because he was running Operation Mongoose, which was one of the main causes of this whole thing in the first place.
The Kennedy brothers were essentially co-presidents, similar to the way the Clinton couple was. Sometimes, your closest friend rules with you, even if not in an official capacity.
This movie is so incredibly underrated. I wish more people would see it. It does a particularly great job at showing the adversarial relationship between Kennedy and the Joint Chiefs as well as the chaotic and stressful nature of the whole event.
Part of the reason for Kennedy's distrust of the Joint Chiefs as well as the CIA was the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. You mentioned that you needed to learn more about it. A quick summary is that the CIA trained a number of Cuban exiles to overthrow the Communist government in Cuba led by Fidel Castro. The invasion was a massive failure and the CIA tried to get Kennedy to send in US forces to assist the exiles but he refused as he had been assured by the CIA when he approved the mission that no US forces would be needed. When it turned out that they were in fact needed and Kennedy realized he had essentially been lied to, he held his ground and Castro remained in power. This was considered a massive blow to the Kennedy administration and occurred about a year and a half before the Cuban Missile Crisis so the memory was still fresh in his head.
Personally I don't think the CIA was intentionally going into the bay of pigs lying. I think they MASSIVELY over estimated the will the Cuban exiles had to fight. I think they expected they'd fight to free their country. But once the bullets started flying they lost the will to fight. They where looking at the invasion if they were using trained US soldiers. If they have used regular US Soldiers it probably would have been as simple as signing on the line and it would have been done.
I was two months shy of my tenth birthday. I remember going home from school on the Friday before it all came to a head, saying to a friend, "See you Monday." His response: "Yeah, if we're still here."
Truly an underrated movie.
Always liked the ending where they walk away and you see the shadows on the wall and the last shadow looks like a silhouette of JFK..
To answer your question, Kennedy served another 13 months before being assassinated. Not very well known is that ALL humans owe their very existence to Vasily Aleksandrovich Arkhipov. He was onboard Russian sub B-59 that had lost all contact with the outside world. The captain, believing nuclear war was already underway, wanted his nuclear torpedos be fired at the American ships. That certainly would have been the shot that started the nuclear exchange reaction resulting in the end of most life on this planet. Arkhipov was a senior naval officer who happened to be on that sub as an observer. The launch had to be an unanimous decision of all 3 senior officers and he disagreed. Good thing he was on that sub, huh? He was awarded Russia's highest medal for basically saving the world. I was 8 when all this went down and what I remember most about it was my step dad, having served in both the Army and Air Force, was called up as a reserve by both branches to stand by. I remember he was looking at both of his uniforms to check their conditions. And here we are today, 62 years later, with Putin as aggressive as ever and still playing stupid games with threats of use of nuclear weapons.
Don't meaning to oversimplify but I believe God stopped it I don't think God would allow world war 3 and nuclear weapons I just don't think he'll allow it. the only place God allows/causes massive explosions in nuclear is the Sun itself... 46:38
thanks for your post very informative . not many people can say they saved the world .Vasily Arkhipov is on my hero list
I believe Crimson Tide was inspired by this event. Thanks for sharing! In the documentary "Fog of War", Robert McNamara recounts meeting Fidel Castro thirty years later. During their conversation, Castro said he was urging Kruschev to launch an attack on the US. McNamara reminded Castro that a first strike from Cuba/USSR would have resulted in a full nuclear response and a complete annihilation of Cuba, killing millions. Castro, affirmed and said it would have been worth it for the 'movement'. McNamara was shocked at the response.
@@ujohnlynch2341 thats just commie cocktail talk. Its what you say when you're an aging despot of diminishing importance
just reread/listened to "the sum of all fears" by tom clancy . it's about tension and misunderstanding building up to a full on nuclear exchange . a riveting read
Oh yes we were scared shitless. I was 11 at the time. Our mom kept us home from school and locked us in the hall in the center of our house. She was white faced, wouldn't tell us anything but was glued to the radio with the volume too low for us to hear. For three very long days.
The "Missing Man Formation" at the end, with the jets, always gets me. I know the deep significance of it, and it's really moving..
When the Cuban Missile Crisis happened, I was in 8th grade. We lived within a 15-minute drive of a prime target, and less than an hour from 3 others. The thought of being vaporized in a millisecond crossed my mind more than once. Thanks for your honest, heartfelt reaction.
Ditto brother! Georgia; in driving distance of a military base as my father was a career soldier himself,
We had no hope if the balloon went up.
Did you have to practise ducking and covering? (Basically kissing your own ass goodbye). 😮
@@johncox6321 yes, I felt SO SAFE hiding under a wooden desk that would burst into flames.
7:08 -> What was the intent? To issue retribution for the nuclear-armed missiles that the United States had stationed in Turkey in previous years. Kennedy made the deal to take nukes out of turkey with kruschev if soviets took nukes out of cuba, but said to kruschev that if he spoke of it, he would deny it.
The intention was to deter the covert operations that were being conducted against Cuba. Operation 40, S-Force, Bay of Pigs, Operation Mongoose. All efforts launched by the CIA to overthrow and/or assassinate Castro.
Since Cassie invited 'splaining, here are the answers to some of the questions she asked during her reaction, based on my general history knowledge (I am not a historian or expert):
1. Did Adlai Stevenson leak the news of the missile crisis to the New York Times? No. Stevenson learned that the Times had the story and alerted the White House to this fact. As UN Ambassador, Stevenson was based in NYC and heard things that hadn't made it to DC yet.
2. Why didn't JFK just call Khrushchev? There was no way to do that in 1962. In fact, one of the outcomes of the Missile Crisis was that the two of them established the hotline, which allowed direct communication between them and their successors for the remainder of the Cold War in order to avoid having this kind of thing happen again.
3. Did the public know how close we were? Yes. Although people in 1962 didn't expect to have the real time transparency of every twist and turn we have today, the nation--and much of the world--was riveted to the crisis. For those in the United States alive at the time it was a traumatic even that they usually recall to this day. (Perhaps in Canada too?)
4. Was JFK popular as a President at this time and/or before his assassination? Compared to President's in the 21st Century, all Presidents of the period were wildly popular. The U.S. overall was just more satisfied with their society, more supportive of government, and more respectful of political elites than today. JFK was elected in one of the closest races of the 20th Century and had trouble passing his priorities through Congress; the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis gave him some temporary bumps, but the overall trend was down. By the time of his assassination, he was considered vulnerable though still the favorite for re-election in what was expected to be another close, tough race. As a matter of averages, however, he is the most popular President of the post-war era. This is because most Presidents tend to see their lowest numbers in the second term, which JFK never lived to achieve. (After death, he became a national hero and icon, of course.)
5. What was the USSR's motivation for placing missiles in Cuba? The main motivation was to thwart further U.S. intervention in Cuba and secure Castro's communist government there. Castro (the Cuban leader) lobbied hard for the missiles. Initially resistant, Khrushchev was persuaded after a long series of U.S. attempts to subvert the Castro regime culminated in the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion. (An invasion by U.S. armed and equipped Cuban refugees seeking to topple the government and install a new one.)
One last thing--not something Cassie asked but something I don't see in the comments. Yes, the film essentially flips O'Donnell's role with Ted Sorenson's for dramatic effect (presumably the filmmakers preferred a Catholic, Massachusetts working class, streetwise hero to Sorenson's urbane, academic, poet, whiz-kid profile), but more surprising to me was the portrayal of Maxwell Tayler (The Head of the Joint Chiefs) as in league with the brass in trying to subvert the Kennedys. In reality, Taylor (who later became an architect of the Vietnam War) was their man. He had helped develop Kennedy's defense policy when he was a candidate and they brought him in after the Bay of Pigs because they didn't trust the Joint Chiefs and has been much criticized by historians for acting as a filter preventing the brass from giving JFK (and later LBJ) their unvarnished input. How close were they? RFK named one of his sons after him--three years after the events portrayed in the film!
I still can't get over how much Steven Culp looks like Bobby Kennedy!
Thanks for reacting to this movie, not your usual and I really appreciate it. I was just starting High School in 1962. Our family was stationed at Tyndall Air Force Base in Panama City, Fl. When the Defcon 3 order went out my dad disappeared into the base operations which then locked down. We didn't see him for days. We did see the President on TV, and were glued to the news. I was pretty sure this was it. And, since we were located so close to Cuba and a military target, I was sure that it was the end. When it was over enough for my dad to come home we all cried. He told me this was the closest we ever had gotten to WWIII.
The actual Kennedy speech audio at the end of the movie always makes me tear up.
For anyone who enjoyed this film, consider watching "The West Wing". It has a similar feel to this film and, in my opinion, is one of the greatest television shows of all time.
I see it’s on both Amazon Prime and [HBO] MAX
Maybe the first two seasons. It starts to drop in quality after that, then very sharply falls off a cliff at the end with the goofy election season that turns Donna into a political savant.
This is a great movie. I think it captured the intensity of this period of history quite well. Kevin Costner's character took a liberty on the historical material, but it worked in this context. The chap who played Bobby Kennedy whacked it out of the park.
Kennedy was universally loved by the American public and the European public. When he died everyone was in mourning. Next to Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Kennedy was the most popular president we have ever had. I was in 4th grade in social studies class when the janitor came up to the outside window and reported that Kennedy had been shot. After class the I saw the teacher across the hall crying her eyes out.
35:06 “Battlefield nuclear weapons” are tactical nuclear weapons and include gravity bombs, short-range missiles, artillery shells, land mines, depth charges, and torpedoes which are equipped with nuclear warheads. Also in this category are nuclear armed ground-based or shipborne surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) and air-to-air missiles.
Very deadly.
I suspect the Davy Crockett falls under that category? As far as I know, they were in use in those days.
@@CorneliusSchwarzenstein It would fall under the category of battlefield nuclear weapons but the Davy Crockett was never “in use.” It went through extensive research and testing from 1958 to 1963 but was ultimately deemed to be too inaccurate to implement amongst troops.
@@RetroClassic66 According to Wikipedia it was stationed in Germany in the 1950s.
I grew up in Orlando, FL about 10 miles north of what is now Orlando International Airport but in 1962 was still McCoy Air Force Base (MCO). MCO was a Strategic Air Command (SAC) base, home to B-52 strategic nuclear bombers and KC-135 aerial refueling tankers. I don't remember my parents watching the news about the Cuban Missile Crisis on TV, but I do remember how worried everyone in the neighborhood was the day that MCO went on alert and the entire B-52 bomber wing and the KC-135 tankers launched within a span of about 20 minutes and flew over our house. Alert exercises like this had happened before but this time seemed very different. Fortunately both sides found a way to step back from the brink.
Ive lived in Merritt Island my whole life, that was a fascinating story, thank you
Vasily Arkhipov is the unsung hero of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
27:50 Walter Lippmann was a major newspaper writer, journalist, and political commentator of the time. His writings and in particular his newspaper column were very widely read by most Americans, especially by those in the government in Washington, D.C., and throughout corporate America. With a career spanning 60 years, he is famous for being among the first to introduce the concept of the Cold War, coining the term "stereotype" in the modern psychological meaning, as well as critiquing media and democracy in his newspaper column and several books, most notably his 1922 book Public Opinion.
I lived in Tucson, AZ at the height of the Cold War in the sixties. They tested our air raid sirens in the city every Saturday at noon. Having Titan missile silos we were thought to be a prime military target. I remember during the Cuban Missile Crisis a family of our friends moved away out of fear of nuclear attack.
The look of satisfaction you had on your face when you came up with Kremlin. 😂😂 PRICELESS. 😂😂
Curtis "Bombs Away" LeMay was so bomb-happy, Ted Sorenson called him "my least favorite human being."
He got his way in Vietnam.
And Dallas. @@garybradford8332
Curtis LeMay was what you call an interesting person. He was instrumental in winning WWII in the Pacific. He ran the air bridge to Berlin. He organized the SAC and the first generation of America's nuclear deterrent. But the thinking that made him such a great military commander earlier made him very dangerous in this case. Which is why he was forced to retire six months later.
Cuban Missle Crisis ended Oct 29, 1962, Kennedy was assasinated on Nov 22, 1963 around a year later. I still think the Military Industrial Complex had a hand in the assasintation, mainly because the Vietnam conflict expanded largely after his death.
Your dates are indeed correct since the recognized end date of the Cuban Missile Crisis was Monday, October 29, 1962, and JFK was assassinated 389 days later on Friday, November 22, 1963 -- he was in office for a total of only 1,036 days.
Kennedy was assassinated by a communist.
War is big business in Washington. They approve bills for weapons sales to Israel and Ukraine, for example. Those contracts go to weapon contractors that supply the weapons. The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. He wanted to call off the moon race and cooperate with the Soviets. He signed a treaty to ban nuclear testing, he refused to invade Cuba in 1962. Kennedy even set out to withdrawal from Vietnam. But that ended on 22 November 1963.
Trump is fighting a system that has been in place long before Joe Biden’s first day in office. Eisenhower said beware of the military industrial complex.
Yes, Jack Kennedy was genuinely liked. He was an honest-to-gosh war hero (I seriously can't understand how he wasn't awarded the Medal of Honor) and the personification of post-war America; young, intelligent, athletic, educated, articulate and witty. Fabulously wealthy yet a champion of progressive causes to enable the destitute and downtrodden. He was handsome with a beautiful wife and growing family that the whole world adored, they truly were our 'First Family' -- Arthur and Guinevere of the American Camelot [seriously. it was a whole societal gestalt thing. and the Broadway musical/movie "Camelot" rode that wave for all it was worth] He pointed us toward the stars (ok, the Moon, but ya'know). And, um, Marilyn...
I took a class on the Cuban Missile Crisis in college. One of the specialties of my PoliSci professor who taught the class was Cold War history. We had to watch this film at some point and he assured us with absolute certainty that this movies portrayal was fairly accurate to what actually happened. His assessment was 85% in terms of how much it got right. Fantastic movie! And sadly, being forgotten.
More relevant now than ever...
@DrGreenthumbPhd As long as nuclear weapons will exist, scenarios like this will always be a possibility.
I remember all of this well! Kennedy's press conference to the American people on October 22nd happened on my birthday! People were constructing fallout shelters in their back yards, buying out canned goods clearing grocery stores, all in a fierce panic! Oh yeah, I remember all of this VERY WELL!! GREAT REACTION by you once again! Thank YOU!
i remember our "duck and cover" drills in school where we'd crouch under our desks. and i have a vague memory on The Day, an announcement on the inercom dismissing school and telling all the kids to get home to their families as quickly as possible. frightening...
President might not be Costner. But it is, amazing and prolific Canadian actor, Bruce Greenwood. 😊
I remember this very well. For a few days there it was like the whole world was holding its breath. I was a kid and I didn't expect to get any older. I wasn't alone, I think.
The Soviets ( wrongly) thought Kennedy was a weak sister. That he'd blink and cave. He didn't.
Great flick and one of the most underrated of the last 30 years or so. Bruce Greenwood should have gotten an Oscar noination.
I first learned about the Cuban Missile crisis in primary school (elementary school?), as a 10 year old in south Dublin. We had a brilliant teacher, who made history come alive, be it The Pass of Thermopylae or The Cold War. Ireland (1980's), enthusiastic about Kennedy's successes. Our teacher set the scene with Kennedy's naval service in World War II but Khruschev having served in both the First and Second World Wars, testing Kennedy's metal. I remember he mentioned Kennedy going to mass on the day he would have to authorize the missile strike. Also 'October 1962, just checking if my parents were alive'. Dear God, how young are You or how old am I?
My dad was active duty army during the crisis and was one of 180,000 men getting ready to hit Cuba. His discharge in 63 has Kennedy's signature for his good service.
I remember this tense period in our history. I was in 8th grade. I also remember the "Duck & Cover" drills in school. The accent is a Boston accent. He was assassinated Nov '63, I was in 9th grade english when the teachers were called to the office. We were sent home.
Good reaction.. I enjoyed the entire week. The accents are thick in this movie. Costner uses a New Orleans accent in Oliver Stone’s “JFK”. I also think JFK is his best movie - a “JFK” reaction could garner big views on TH-cam, however none of the popular channels have chosen to react to it. Maybe, all the reactors have seen it before? Perhaps, the more popular reactors are nervous to tackle content considered controversial - a humorous proposition considering many of those reactors have no problem reacting to Mel Gibson movies… I look forward to what comes.🖖🏿. p.s. did you notice the Oliver Stone cameo in the movie “Dave”. He played himself being interviewed on “Larry King Live”, he was commenting government conspiracy. The movie “Dave“ was released 2 years after Stone’s “JFK” - a movie about conspiracy. Great cameo. 🖖🏿
The Kringle. The Soviet White House. The Red House. Named after Kris Kringle, the famous Russian toy maker. 😂😂😂😂😂 Jeez, I love her.
"You'll never believe how close we came."
Flashbacks to having a hard time finding this movie on DVD in spanish so I could watch it with my Cuban Stepdad months later I found a copy. My stepdad was(RIP) a cuban Expat who was a kid in cuba during the missile crisis and came to the US in the early 90s! Thanks for bringing back a memory of watching this movie with him
The production chose black and white to evoke the news footage of the era. BTW Bruce Greenwood who played JFK is Canadian FYI. The speech Kennedy gave at the end was called the Peace Speech given at American University in 1963. Kennedy was well known for asking all the questions when he was given options.
I lived through this time. We did duck and cover drills in Canada 🇨🇦 and had a test evacuation of Calgary. They had air raid sirens back then but thankfully, not any more as that is one sound that still freaks me inside.
From now on I’m calling the Kremlin the Kringle 😂
That and using the term "oh my LeMay."
Best spit take: “What’s the place where Kruschev is? Th Kringle? 😂 so good. Great as always Popcorn!
Great job, Cassie, and that coming from a 75-year-old who was a frightened 13-year old during the crisis ! I'm proud of you for this one. Yes, many of us who didn't have our heads in the sand thought a nuclear war could happen any day.
JFK had serious flaws, but his courage, judgment and level-headed approach to the crisis possibly saved the world. For that, he should be best remembered.
I was born 7 years later in 1969 in NJ but my now late uncle used to tell me about this a lot. He told me he went to bed not knowing if he'd wake-up. That was a Massachusetts and or what used to be known as a Boston Irish accent. Great movie, thanks !
Definitely need to follow this one up with J.F.K. - Costner's movie about the assassination.
24:28 war is big business in Washington. They approve bills for weapons sales to Israel and Ukraine, for example. Those contracts go to weapon contractors that supply the weapons. The organizing principle of any society is for war. The authority of the state over its people resides in its war powers. Kennedy wanted to end the Cold War in his second term. He wanted to call off the moon race and cooperate with the Soviets. He signed a treaty to ban nuclear testing, he refused to invade Cuba in 1962. Kennedy even set out to withdrawal from Vietnam. But that ended on 22 November 1963.
Trump is fighting a system that has been in place long before Joe Biden’s first day in office. Eisenhower said beware of the military industrial complex.
This was one of my favorite movies depicting history, and remarkably accurate. Bruce Greenwood, who played JFK, has been in a ton of movies. I think you would enjoy "Double Jeopardy", with Greenwood, Ashley Judd, and Tommy Lee Jones. It's very "The Fugitive" like, suspense/thriller with a twist. Based on what you've watched, this one's right up your alley. Great review of "13 Days"; always enjoy your channel!
As JFK said "The generals have a way of always fighting the last war. They always tell you how important it is to get ready for the next war. But they also have it easy. If we go their way and we lose, no one will ever bother them again. If we go my way and we lose, everyone will be after them for not being prepared."
Many people (I think) would argue that that is "a Bostonian accent," ...however, it's, really, a, relatively, specific "Kennedy accent." An odd familial variation on a New England/Boston accent and, totally, a factor in the speech of all of the Kennedy brothers & cousins (whom I can ever recall hearing), etc. ...and many of their compatriots (which suggests that it isn't (per se) "family-centric," but, rather, 'specifically micro-regional" 🤷🤷🤷but it is, also, possible that "people who spent time around the Kennedies" also started to speak like the Kennedies did (It is a common behavioral familiarity element whiuch occurs among people).
Sort of melds a Boston Irish, Boston Brahamin, and Ivy League social climbers accent.
FUN FACT about Jay Ward the producer of the "Rocky & Bullwinkle" cartoon : In 1962, as a publicity stunt, Ward leased a small island on a lake between Minnesota and Canada, which he named after "Moosylvania", a small island shown in the later Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoons. In a campaign to make the island into the 51st state, he and Scott drove a van across the country to about 50-60 cities collecting petition signatures. Arriving in Washington, D.C., they pulled up to the White House gate to see President Kennedy, and were brusquely turned away. They had arrived during the height of the Cuban Missile Crisis." - Wiki
All presidents have their detractors, but JFK was truly beloved by most Americans. It was because of his cool leadership that the world didn't end in 1962. But because of the military industrial complex, the military leadership was eager for a world that was continually at war. Eisenhower, a (republican) even warned Americans about this in his Farwell speech. I highly recommend watching (JFK) it explains it in much more detail. Excellent reactions! You and your sister are both adorable!
The movie _JFK_ is debunked, conspiracy theory claptrap that absolutely should not be taken seriously or at face value by anyone seeking to understand the 1960s or the influence of the military industrial complex.
in "the fog of war " Robert McNamara said le may wanted to bomb all of cuba back to the stone age
JFK was not beloved by many. He was too Yankee, too smart, too rich, too Catholic ..... He only barley won against Nixon.
JFK is a work of fiction.
32:35 This actor, Tom Everett, you may remember seeing before. He was in the opening scene in DANCES WITH WOLVES, playing Sgt. Pepper, a Union officer cowering behind a barricade with Kevin Costner’s character Lt. John Dunbar, before Dunbar takes his horse and leaps over Pepper in a desperate attempt to divert enemy fire, which works.
The USSR knew that the U2 Americans were flying over Cuba and Russia because the Soviets shot one down in 1960. Bobby Kennedy was the Attorney General in the Kennedy administration. As a side note, in Oct 1962 I was 9 years old. I wasn't sure I would live to see my 10th birthday in November. We knew what was going on and we were scared shitless.
The brink was closer than we thought. In the late 1990s, an elderly Robert McNamara revealed that he learned years afterwards that US intelligence was wrong and the missiles were already operational (the idea of the invasion plan was to strike before they were operational), and a US invasion would been met with nuclear missile strikes.
This film is so underrated, I love the scene with the flairs
“Mutually assured destruction” is what you were looking for.
Curtis LeMay, the hothead Air Force general, later ran as the VP candidate with arch-segregationist George Wallace in 1968.
Based LeMay.
Thank you for watching Thirteen Days. It’s one of my favorite movies and I felt it never got the praise it deserved. Awesome reactions big fan of your channel 😊
Glad you're seeing this! I worked as a P.A. on this film. The White House Set was so inspiring to work on. So many stories!
Was that at Warner Brothers? Like where West Wing was shot?
@@ct6852 No. Not shot on any major studio lot. A Small private studio off of San Fernando Rd. I think it's gone now.
@@cohalensadventures5331 Oh interesting. I always kind of assumed there was a main White House set that maybe the studios shared. I remember them pointing out on the WB tour where West Wing was filmed. But that had probably been torn down by 2004. Anyways that's cool that you got to work on this movie. Super curious about Kevin Costner.
@@ct6852The sets at this soundstage had The White House; The U.N.; The Navel Blockage and the Stevenson /Presidents War room sets.
Bruce Greenwood composed a song for Cast & Crew called "Blues for Thirteen Days that had the Lyrics "They're tearing down the White House" that brought back memories of the final days of the shoot where they literally tore down the White House set that we had spent so much time working on. Hanging out in the Oval Office and taking the connection door into Kenny's Office gave a realism to the set that made you almost feel like you were actually walking the halls of The Real White House.
Curious about Kevin? How so?
@@cohalensadventures5331 Just curious what he's like in person. Water World and Postman always kind of gave me the impression that his ego must be pretty huge. Love him as an actor though. But yeah I always thought the tearing down of those sets must be a sad day. Some of them really are beautiful. Can't say Barbie was my favorite movie or anything...but that set looked really impressive. And expensive. One of the best physical sets I've seen in a while. Poor Things' looked cool, too.
"The Kringle"??😂😂😂😂. Thank you Cassie for that much needed comic relief at that moment.
JFK (1991) -- Same actor Kevin Costner as a lawyer is in it.
I was eleven years old living in Minnesota. My father packed up our car with provisitions and was getting ready to drive our family north to Canada. Also our elementary school had us hide under our desks and one day they had all us kids just run home from school. Scary times.
The movie was pretty much accurate. The Soviets put nukes in Cuba as a retaliation for US nukes in Turkey. So that was their motivation. JFK created back channels to Russia and Cuba, which you saw in the movie, thereby going around his defense cabinet, and there you see how some factions in the gov’t hated Kennedy for it. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out many people wanted JFK out of the way. Especially since he didn’t want US troops to go to Vietnam. Sending troops to Vietnam was one of President Johnson’s first acts as president. Sadly, these games are still played today. Iraq, Afghanistan, and now war drums against Iran. And soon China. It’s all about power with these people. And money since politicians make bank on the stock market with defense contractors.
Kennedy sent 16 000 troops to Vietnam. Whether he would have escalated further is a hotly debated topic.
But at least he wasn't as hotheaded as the president who ordered the Bay of Pigs invasion.
Declassified Soviet intel presents a further justification. The Soviet military determined, rightly, that the could not defend Cuba with conventional forces, thus the placement of "Nukes" previously requested by Cuba would work as a deterrent to an invasion. The US followed a similar policy in Germany "where U.S. nuclear weapons were originally deployed to deter Soviet aggression, via conventional military attack or nuclear strike, and to reassure NATO allies in Western Europe." One of the most dangerous issue with this policy in Cuba was that at the time of "13 Days" the Soviets already had working nuclear missiles in Cuba, but had been deny it. Not going public with your deterrent kind has a different effect than one might plan.
The US pledge not to invade, in the end, fixed the Soviet major issue with Cuba. The removal of the missiles as well as all negotiation were done without Cuba, and annoyed them to no end.
Just saw "Patton" on TBR Schmidt. It was the first reaction I saw of that movie. One of my all time favorites. I HIGHLY recommend you watching it.
I also suggest the movie JFK, which also stars Kevin Costner.
" Happy Birth day Mr. Pres i dent,
Happy Birthday Mr. President
Happy Birthday tooo you , Happy
Birthday toooo youuuu ! "
Hey Marilyn, what´s up 😀
Christopher Moltesanti: "That was real?"
😂😂😂😂😂
Paulie 'Walnuts: about going into business with the Korean. “ Remember Pearl Harbor all I’m gonna say.”😂
I did a presentation on the cuban missile crisis in 8th grade or so, most of the stuff went well over the heads of my classmates. sadly this movie came out only shortly after it. loved it ever since, watched it countless times. it also has one of the best-written scripts that I am aware off.
You have to watch JFk to fully understand the level of sacrifice Kennedy made for standing what he believed in. He was killed not only for these events but his stance on the Vietnam War. The old gaurd did not take kindly to his upsetting the balance of power and John paid the ultimate price.
The MIC had already screwed Kennedy with the Bay of Pigs few months into his term.. Support 1800 Cuban dissidents in their attempt to overthrow the Cuban government they said, that would be enough to topple the new communist Cuban government. In reality the 1800 were never meant to succeed, but rather to be destroyed by Cuba to force Kennedy's hand and send in US troops. They attempted to play and manipulate him to their will, this young President that was averse to war for war's sake.
He resisted that one, IMO he knew he couldn't trust the military (Dulles was fired soon after).
History rhymes. Today the same thing appears to be happening in Ukraine and Gaza. MIC goading a POTUS into war again.
My dad was serving in the Army in Washington D.C. during this weekend. He was put on high alert, and because he was in the Army, he had more information of what was going on than the general public. My mom and dad thought he was going to have to fight in World War 3 that weekend.
Now we're talking! Good pick!
Yes, a HIGHLY underrated film! And Bruce Greenwood's JFK embodiment is outstanding!
Thank you for watching this movie. It is one of my all time favorite movie. I was 10 years old, I was so scared during that time. We had drills at school, which made it that more real. Every time I see this movie, I still get that same feeling when I was 10, But I Love it.
I was 12 and my mother was crying at the bottom of the stairs and I was terrified. I learned that night the true meaning of life.
25:00 Did you just call the Kremlin - The Pringle? 🤣🤣
Great movie. Learned more about the Cuban Missile crisis with this movie.
Alot of people just dont realize how close we came to a nuclear holocaust in 1962. One miscalculation, one rush to judgment and the world wouldve went up in flames and millions of people were gonna die in an instant. This is why its important to have sound leaders at the time of a crisis of this magnitude.
26:16 "Belay that order. Belay that order!"
Jack Kennedy was a Navy man.😉⚓️