Yup, i second that, it would be awesome to have a video for that. Plus a video for the 3 most popular cannon rushes (currently i 14 pool because of wanting to avoid having to deal with them). Great content Lambo btw!!
Music is nice - Builds that I would like to be countered are: - 32 probes 2 immortal charge zealot all in with a warp prism - 3 rax mass reaper Compositions that are hard to counter: Mass thor + tank + hellbat
Music or not doesn't matter to me, love the content you are putting out and as a zerg I find myself learning multiple things every video I watch! The 2 topics I would probably learn the most from would be: -Scouting and when to have what vision -How to move your army, when to move out on the map, and maybe how to setup the ideal fights with and against various compositions Keep up the good work!
I really enjoy the lo-fi background music and I'd love to have it in future videos too! Edit: I would love to see a comprehensive "how to beat" on Hellbat Timings / All-Ins
Come on this shit works 2 times in gold league then every zerg will have an answer and it will not work again 😂 im playing both but i never came to the idea to do this as toss
@@LamboSC2 well ok i guess it can work.. I struggled a lot with this at my first 2 weeks of zerg because it's really common in gold league.. After watching a single guide in this and practice it 2 times vs a diamond protoss i never lost again to this Edit: meanwhile im still dying to proxy robos, long distance cannon rushes, sometimes a proxy void and every 2 rax bunker.. So for me it's not that hard of a cheese 😉😂
Hi Lambo. Please do a video on how to deal with proxy void rays or how to not get tilted if toss denies your natural with a probe. Also, a nice chill background music would be great! Thanks for the videos. Keep it coming.
Thanks for the vids lambo. I love these videos focused on casual builds. How do you beat a terran that turtles on 3-4 bases and goes mass mech? (Tanks + Thors). Preferably a strategy that doesn't involve intense micro. (I'm plat hehe ) but I find that even if I'm up 4 bases or so any 200 supply army I have just gets completely destroyed by their mech army. I know vipers are good to abduct things but that's too much micro for my plat status.
Love the content. This was the first cheese my friend/coach ever told me how to counter back when I was stuck in gold. If you play it poorly, the toss can get enough time to tech towards adepts (but I think that's only if they go 3 gates, not 100% sure). This is what might kill you in low leagues after you feel pretty safe behind spines.
awesome video king. i like thats its concise and to the point. would love to see a video on the proxy 2gate forge variant (esp in context of PvP if possible). a little background music is good too. thanks bud
hey lambo thanks for the great video. your youtube content is underrated. what is a good defend for zerg when terran go for heilons and armory into hellbats at 5m or sooner? do u think instead of early lings/banes or roaches which costs alot of lava/drones, can the defend be done with many drones, queens , and extra spines?
You are very nice with this guides for new player with zerg, I love too protos, I find the full rush is very hard to learn( when is your opponent doing that, or yourself too) but also very funny, thanks
YES. I am at 0 wins 40+ losses in LotV with Hatch first vs this build, Lambo to the rescue! Now I assume pros are doing something better, but when I face this on ladder it hits with 4 Zealots at 2:16, then 8 at 2:46 I think, weird that Skillous had less than that. So I don't see any opportunity to fight with drones as that's only good when they have less than 3 Zealots, but I face 2 waves of 4. Hopefully his helps me, I think it should. I like the spine placements =).
awesome content Lambo! music in the background is nice IMO. I'd love to see you break down cannon rush into proxy robo immortal prism and the different responses you would have whether Protoss takes a natural eventually or goes all-in. Thanks!
Perhaps a couple more builds you can cover in this series is how to hold protoss 2 base pushes, especially those that come of very low probe count, so its still easy to be blinded by the 2nd base and go to 50 drones before making any army units. Perhaps the Margery is the most famous one, but there are many other variation 2 base toss all-ins that come of 2 gasses or even less. Perhaps the way to confirm its a low gas probe count and the drone count to go to are the most important parts of such a video.
Hey big homie Lambo, how about a video on dealing with medivac/ warp prism harrass where you're getting multi pronged when saturating your 3rd. Diamond 3 zerg dawg trying to put in this good work. I appreciate your videos big homie, keep it up
Hi! Schön, dass Du wieder Videos machst. Ich hoffe Du siehst meinen zvz Build-Vorschlag an Dich in diesem Kommatar von einem alten Video. Vielleicht ist er völlig nutzlos auf Deinem Level, aber mir bringt er viel in Master3 und es interessiert mich, ob Du ihn mal versuchen kannst. 13 Ovi 16 Hatch 16 Pool ca. 18 Hatch in der Mitte vom Eingang von der Natural. (Falls 12 pool von Gegner die Hatch abbrechen oder gar nicht erst setzen) 19 2 queens 28 ovi 28 gas 28 second gas 28 roachwarren in die mauer der Natural die 2 queens oder eine Evo können nun wall zur Natural dicht machen. 42 2Ovis nun könnte man z.B.: a) mit ca.8 oder mehr Roaches Angreifen, third base setzten und je nach verlauf wieder zurück ziehen oder b) Lair/evo/+1 upgrade/Roach speed timing attack durch gasless und 3hatches und mauer habe ich schnell viele drohnen und bin recht sicher und die attacken sind recht stark.
I got into dia on offrace with 4 gate zealot. Its super powerfull if not scouted. Very high winrate in lower elos. I have 1 problem with your scouting strategy. You start to create lings and spines when you see no gates at protoss natural? That feels a bit extreme. What if it is a 1 base, but instead its void ray rush or something. What if he just builds in upper ramp to save a few minerals? What if he knows that some zerg players panic if they dont see gates at natural? If you use lack of information as information, I just might give you none to mislead you.
So we have antoher Starcraft TH-camr? Nice :D Sadly the Zergs on ladder will get better now :( I think a bit music would be good :) maybe try out different sound volumes and music? also the sc music isnt that bad :P Viel Glück auf TH-cam, brauchen jeden (Pro)content den wir kriegen können :P
I'd love to see a how to beat proxy stargate+voidrays+shieldbatteries. The problem I see actually, in plat league every second to 3rd game against toss is a cheese. I feel like I need my first overloard at my natural to scout the cannonrush, but here I need the first ovie across the map to scout the absence of a wall. So efficient scouting for cannonrush, proxy 4 gate, proxy stargate at the same time would be awesome, if there is any way? :D Love the series
You never need the first overlord to scout for cannonrushes ever, it should always go straight across the map to the protosses natural. The 2nd overlord is the one that stays to check for pylons going up! I personally have never seen a proxy voidray shieldbattery rush against zerg in my life but just queen ravager should defend that very very easily, if it remains a problem i will collect replays to talk about it.
@@LamboSC2 ok. Gonna remember that first overlord rule. Thank you! However, its quite common on maps where the main is through a highground connected to the thrid/4th of the zerg. It makes a distinct decision so difficult, because one does not have much, at the beginning when the first void arrives max 2-4 queens, no creep on the edges, no scouting (slow ovies, killed by voids as well as zerglings). Gonna give Queen ravenger a shot. Thanks!
I prefer it without music, but it doesn't really matter to me. What I'd need most is a tutorial on how to defend bunker rush with 2 / 3 / 4 rax. I think that's the only cheese I have never managed to hold. :I So that would be great.
What if they use the zealots to kill natural, then contain on one base (still building lots of zealots), then expand behind it and start playing stalkers? Ling speed for counter attack could be helpful... What about roaches?
Lambo, it would be much better with some background music, anything at all! Lofi sounds great, but you could hype it up a bit with SC2 or SC1/BW soundtrack!
It's a pain, but I try to build 2 spines asap, try to block spine from repositioning near your hatch with drones/lings, spam lings , try to keep your queen alive. It's also really helpful if you scout the crawler in your main, but that part's pretty obvious
What happens if the Protoss wants to kill your natrual and then recall, after the initial defense? Is the ling counter fast enough, or are you just ahead in some way if he does that?
The game is over if he does this, the protoss has his entire infrastructure undefended in that case on your side of the map and you can just reexpand while keeping him on 1 base after unpowering all his gates!
Im a music nerd so if the music sucks (ie bass drum tempo, up beat high hats, and shitty synth sounds) just leave the music out lol Btw, Lambo, theres a great hack to boost your audience reach exponentially. Spiffing Brit has a youtube algorithm exploit thats super easy, barely an inconvenience to use. Hope you can make use of it before they patch it
This is an example of really bad balance. Zerg has a guarantee to stop this push, but their reaction has to be ON POINT, whereas Protoss basically just has to A-move. I am Protoss Gold 3 and I have a 100% winrate with this build against Zerg.
Well you just win. If you cut workers at 32, build 5 ols you will have $ for a expo right when the roaches are being sent out from your side. If you pump lings till your guys get there you will have so much they will not be able to hold your army wiithout taking enormous damage. Retake your gas and get a few spores, tech to lair make a hden and queens and rotate drones to your 3rd if he attacks the nat or to 3rd from main if he attacks that. Constant queens nydus with 2nd 100 bring all aa to his side of the map and win. It basically a build order loss if you do it right.
I don't like background music. This is much better. I also don't like that you reveal how to hold cheap Toss-Cheeses, but I'm afraid that is not up for debate.
I also have great success with qnd no success without ready to relearn and refine my proxy game edit the trick is in the mind games as you setup edit 2 until this guy know me before game my mind games woulda won it die greedy zerg
"Elazer wasn't greedy, but obviously they couldn't have known that" OMEGALUL I love it
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Nice. How about a 4 rax defense guide for the next one. Ty for the great content.
Yup, i second that, it would be awesome to have a video for that. Plus a video for the 3 most popular cannon rushes (currently i 14 pool because of wanting to avoid having to deal with them). Great content Lambo btw!!
Yep, dealing with proxy rax reapers and a killing blow.
Ooh or a general proxy rax defense 2, 3, and 4
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
Music is nice - Builds that I would like to be countered are:
- 32 probes 2 immortal charge zealot all in with a warp prism
- 3 rax mass reaper
Compositions that are hard to counter:
Mass thor + tank + hellbat
I like the background music. Maybe give the BW soundtrack a try?
Music or not doesn't matter to me, love the content you are putting out and as a zerg I find myself learning multiple things every video I watch! The 2 topics I would probably learn the most from would be:
-Scouting and when to have what vision
-How to move your army, when to move out on the map, and maybe how to setup the ideal fights with and against various compositions
Keep up the good work!
I really enjoy the lo-fi background music and I'd love to have it in future videos too!
Edit:
I would love to see a comprehensive "how to beat" on Hellbat Timings / All-Ins
it's gonna get some more views pretty soon
Well thanks, there goes my toss mmr...
Come on this shit works 2 times in gold league then every zerg will have an answer and it will not work again 😂 im playing both but i never came to the idea to do this as toss
On this note i would like to remind you of the funfact that Drager beat Dark with this at WESG after Harstem and me told him to do it : )
@@LamboSC2 well ok i guess it can work.. I struggled a lot with this at my first 2 weeks of zerg because it's really common in gold league.. After watching a single guide in this and practice it 2 times vs a diamond protoss i never lost again to this
Edit: meanwhile im still dying to proxy robos, long distance cannon rushes, sometimes a proxy void and every 2 rax bunker.. So for me it's not that hard of a cheese 😉😂
@@SN-ym1sv I think it's just not common right now, but recently I started doing this in plat/diamond and many people struggle to defend.
@@LamboSC2 Is this match on youtube? Cant find it if I search Drager vs Dark WESG :(
Hi Lambo. Please do a video on how to deal with proxy void rays or how to not get tilted if toss denies your natural with a probe. Also, a nice chill background music would be great! Thanks for the videos. Keep it coming.
Thanks for the vids lambo. I love these videos focused on casual builds. How do you beat a terran that turtles on 3-4 bases and goes mass mech? (Tanks + Thors). Preferably a strategy that doesn't involve intense micro. (I'm plat hehe ) but I find that even if I'm up 4 bases or so any 200 supply army I have just gets completely destroyed by their mech army. I know vipers are good to abduct things but that's too much micro for my plat status.
Thank you so much lambo. Great advices. It would be nice having background music, whatever you like is fine I guess
Love the content. This was the first cheese my friend/coach ever told me how to counter back when I was stuck in gold. If you play it poorly, the toss can get enough time to tech towards adepts (but I think that's only if they go 3 gates, not 100% sure). This is what might kill you in low leagues after you feel pretty safe behind spines.
awesome video king. i like thats its concise and to the point. would love to see a video on the proxy 2gate forge variant (esp in context of PvP if possible).
a little background music is good too. thanks bud
Oh yeah, guides with defenses of popular all-ins will be huge for players like me who still feel insecure when meeting those. BIG LIKE!
hey lambo thanks for the great video. your youtube content is underrated.
what is a good defend for zerg when terran go for heilons and armory into hellbats at 5m or sooner? do u think instead of early lings/banes or roaches which costs alot of lava/drones, can the defend be done with many drones, queens , and extra spines?
You are very nice with this guides for new player with zerg, I love too protos, I find the full rush is very hard to learn( when is your opponent doing that, or yourself too) but also very funny, thanks
YES. I am at 0 wins 40+ losses in LotV with Hatch first vs this build, Lambo to the rescue! Now I assume pros are doing something better, but when I face this on ladder it hits with 4 Zealots at 2:16, then 8 at 2:46 I think, weird that Skillous had less than that. So I don't see any opportunity to fight with drones as that's only good when they have less than 3 Zealots, but I face 2 waves of 4. Hopefully his helps me, I think it should. I like the spine placements =).
awesome content Lambo! music in the background is nice IMO. I'd love to see you break down cannon rush into proxy robo immortal prism and the different responses you would have whether Protoss takes a natural eventually or goes all-in. Thanks!
Perhaps a couple more builds you can cover in this series is how to hold protoss 2 base pushes, especially those that come of very low probe count, so its still easy to be blinded by the 2nd base and go to 50 drones before making any army units. Perhaps the Margery is the most famous one, but there are many other variation 2 base toss all-ins that come of 2 gasses or even less. Perhaps the way to confirm its a low gas probe count and the drone count to go to are the most important parts of such a video.
I like the content regardless of music. Thank you!
Hey big homie Lambo, how about a video on dealing with medivac/ warp prism harrass where you're getting multi pronged when saturating your 3rd. Diamond 3 zerg dawg trying to put in this good work. I appreciate your videos big homie, keep it up
I like the music in the back grown
Hi! Schön, dass Du wieder Videos machst. Ich hoffe Du siehst meinen zvz Build-Vorschlag an Dich in diesem Kommatar von einem alten Video. Vielleicht ist er völlig nutzlos auf Deinem Level, aber mir bringt er viel in Master3 und es interessiert mich, ob Du ihn mal versuchen kannst.
13 Ovi
16 Hatch
16 Pool
ca. 18 Hatch in der Mitte vom Eingang von der Natural. (Falls 12 pool von Gegner die Hatch abbrechen oder gar nicht erst setzen)
19 2 queens
28 ovi
28 gas
28 second gas
28 roachwarren in die mauer der Natural
die 2 queens oder eine Evo können nun wall zur Natural dicht machen.
42 2Ovis
nun könnte man z.B.:
a) mit ca.8 oder mehr Roaches Angreifen, third base setzten und je nach verlauf wieder zurück ziehen oder
b) Lair/evo/+1 upgrade/Roach speed timing attack
durch gasless und 3hatches und mauer habe ich schnell viele drohnen und bin recht sicher und die attacken sind recht stark.
I dont mind some swaggy beats in da background but idk maybe only on some specific vids like gameplay. Keep it up👌
I dont need any background music. Got my own. Really nice Videos!!!! Especially, Zerg Academy! Weiter so!!
Really good video! Perhaps a 2-4 barracks response would be good too?
I got into dia on offrace with 4 gate zealot. Its super powerfull if not scouted. Very high winrate in lower elos. I have 1 problem with your scouting strategy. You start to create lings and spines when you see no gates at protoss natural? That feels a bit extreme. What if it is a 1 base, but instead its void ray rush or something. What if he just builds in upper ramp to save a few minerals? What if he knows that some zerg players panic if they dont see gates at natural? If you use lack of information as information, I just might give you none to mislead you.
Died to this twice yesterday. Thanks a lot for the guide!
Oh also I prefer background music
So we have antoher Starcraft TH-camr? Nice :D Sadly the Zergs on ladder will get better now :(
I think a bit music would be good :) maybe try out different sound volumes and music? also the sc music isnt that bad :P
Viel Glück auf TH-cam, brauchen jeden (Pro)content den wir kriegen können :P
I'd love to see a how to beat proxy stargate+voidrays+shieldbatteries. The problem I see actually, in plat league every second to 3rd game against toss is a cheese. I feel like I need my first overloard at my natural to scout the cannonrush, but here I need the first ovie across the map to scout the absence of a wall. So efficient scouting for cannonrush, proxy 4 gate, proxy stargate at the same time would be awesome, if there is any way? :D Love the series
You never need the first overlord to scout for cannonrushes ever, it should always go straight across the map to the protosses natural. The 2nd overlord is the one that stays to check for pylons going up! I personally have never seen a proxy voidray shieldbattery rush against zerg in my life but just queen ravager should defend that very very easily, if it remains a problem i will collect replays to talk about it.
@@LamboSC2 ok. Gonna remember that first overlord rule. Thank you! However, its quite common on maps where the main is through a highground connected to the thrid/4th of the zerg. It makes a distinct decision so difficult, because one does not have much, at the beginning when the first void arrives max 2-4 queens, no creep on the edges, no scouting (slow ovies, killed by voids as well as zerglings). Gonna give Queen ravenger a shot. Thanks!
Thanks for this video!! Also kinda did like the music, helps me to concentrate on the video for some reason.
I prefer it without music, but it doesn't really matter to me.
What I'd need most is a tutorial on how to defend bunker rush with 2 / 3 / 4 rax. I think that's the only cheese I have never managed to hold. :I So that would be great.
Thanks! Really needed this
Hi Lambo! Is there a 12 Pool Drone All-In with 3 Spines Defence Guide?! Thanks so much!!
No music for me
Ty for great content keep it up✌🏻
No music is fine, very clear explanation !
What if they use the zealots to kill natural, then contain on one base (still building lots of zealots), then expand behind it and start playing stalkers? Ling speed for counter attack could be helpful... What about roaches?
Please make a guide on how to hold all variations of proxy rax ty!
The good old 6k cannon rush
Great video 👌👌 would've been useful yesterday when I lost to this hehe
preferred the music in the background - not a big deal
Excellent guide
with music :) Can you show how to defend against proxy terran, please
Lambo, it would be much better with some background music, anything at all! Lofi sounds great, but you could hype it up a bit with SC2 or SC1/BW soundtrack!
please pleaaase cover how to beat cannon / proxy robo builds
What is your response to spine-drone-ling rush? I find that one really nasty
Super easy, barely an inconvenience
It's a pain, but I try to build 2 spines asap, try to block spine from repositioning near your hatch with drones/lings, spam lings , try to keep your queen alive. It's also really helpful if you scout the crawler in your main, but that part's pretty obvious
^^ and it's not super easy lmao go watch the scarlett vs rogue where she murders him with that build (and also like 4 12-pools in a row)
Cannon rush into macro 2 SG voidray, 3-4rax, 12pool guides please
this push is so strong but i literally have never lost to it because at my elo they manage to even mess that strategy up somehow...
how about against proxy 3 rax and proxy 4 rax?
I don't need any music. But I don't mind it either. Not much help there, sorry ;)
What happens if the Protoss wants to kill your natrual and then recall, after the initial defense? Is the ling counter fast enough, or are you just ahead in some way if he does that?
The game is over if he does this, the protoss has his entire infrastructure undefended in that case on your side of the map and you can just reexpand while keeping him on 1 base after unpowering all his gates!
Im a music nerd so if the music sucks (ie bass drum tempo, up beat high hats, and shitty synth sounds) just leave the music out lol
Btw, Lambo, theres a great hack to boost your audience reach exponentially. Spiffing Brit has a youtube algorithm exploit thats super easy, barely an inconvenience to use. Hope you can make use of it before they patch it
Maybe some chillhop for the background music ? :)
I'd like lofi music in the background!
wow this is some good stuff
I don't think this is how green screens work :D (great video tho)
Lofi Music is great
a 12 pool into burrow rush defense as protoss
How to respond to cannon rush plz. Has to happen!
This is an example of really bad balance. Zerg has a guarantee to stop this push, but their reaction has to be ON POINT, whereas Protoss basically just has to A-move. I am Protoss Gold 3 and I have a 100% winrate with this build against Zerg.
Personally I prefer no music but some sort of low intensity background music is alright.
The video is good without music. Some audio from the game could be nice though.
SC2 music and sound is fine with me. As they say don't listen to music while learning and that's what im trying to do here :D
Hey like your videos!!!! No music for me
What's the best way to respond in ZvsZ if you go roaches and a third and they go fast mutas?
Well you just win. If you cut workers at 32, build 5 ols you will have $ for a expo right when the roaches are being sent out from your side. If you pump lings till your guys get there you will have so much they will not be able to hold your army wiithout taking enormous damage. Retake your gas and get a few spores, tech to lair make a hden and queens and rotate drones to your 3rd if he attacks the nat or to 3rd from main if he attacks that. Constant queens nydus with 2nd 100 bring all aa to his side of the map and win. It basically a build order loss if you do it right.
Thanks, nice.
Lambo just ended Coco's career...
Some background music would be very nice
I'm so sad you stopped making TH-cams 😭
defensive 12 pool, 13/12, 2-4 rax, cannon rush
not sure about the others but Lambo already has a video on 13/12: th-cam.com/video/pYqYUabGLCU/w-d-xo.html
great vid! i die alot to 13/12 in zvz pls lambo save me
I prefer without music
thx lambo great video... love no music in the video..
Please no music, thx. How to beat... is awesome!
I don't like background music. This is much better. I also don't like that you reveal how to hold cheap Toss-Cheeses, but I'm afraid that is not up for debate.
put on Harstem's songs in the background
You should definitely keep the music
Music plz or game sounds
Music is ok :)
No music is just fine
I prefer no music
I also have great success with qnd no success without
ready to relearn and refine my proxy game
edit
the trick is in the mind games as you setup
edit 2
until this guy know me before game my mind games woulda won it
die greedy zerg
Пилил бы гайды по русски, купался бы в золоте
Он немец, какой русский? :)
@@fesser8137 та ну)
With music better.
No music is fine, very clear explanation !
Super easy, barely an inconvenience