Breaking news: since recording this video, CFMoto’s UK PR man has been in touch to report a promotional retail price (“with currently no end date”) of £6,799!
I really like the DE in yellow and blue. The weight is a bit concerning. It doesn't feel that heavy though sitting on it. The exhaust can really shouldn't be as big as it is but most bikes have a suitcase for a muffler now.
Priceless conversation with 3 legends, much appreciated! Did not pickup on any comments re resale value and having myself really struggled to dump a Benelli 500, would I bother again? The real truth is glaringly obvious when within 1 hour of your production going live , anyone who purchased the CF has lost yet another grand! Very irresponsible!
I own a 900RP and my partner owns an 850 sport. Neither of us have any issues with vibes. In the past between us we have owned Ducatis, tiger 800 tiger 1200, KTM’s, BMW’s, etc. We both ride long distance, as in 350km is just a short jaunt. Normal days are 600 to 800 km days
I own a 2023 Tiger 900 GT Pro and have ridden 6k miles in 6 months. Everything they say about the bike is true, it puts out heat on your legs, the engine has a grumble and the display setup is poor. None of that matters, it's a bloody amazing bike. The heat is not a problem in the UK, display option 4 is pretty good so just leave it on that and I've come to love the engine grumble. Only at prolonged speeds of 85/90mph would be become annoying but then you have cruise control so not a problem. You get 230 miles to a tank and 56 mpg. It goes turns and stops great and is super confortable and practical with with luggage. The 900 has more sophisticated suspension, more power and more rider modes than the 850. I love my Tiger 900.
I bought the 850 sport just a month ago. I didn't need the CC, so the (massive) cost saving was a bonus. Same engine, slightly detuned (I couldn't tell the difference). Added the heated grips and bought a SW-Motech top-box (excellent value compared to OEM) So far, loving the bike. Does exactly what I need. And yes, it was a toss-up between this and the Suzuki above, but having had a Trident and SpeedTwin, I kept with Triumph :)
You also have the issue you may not have come across such as batter compartment flooding as drainage plug not enough, which destroys the solenoid. Also rocker gaskets don't seem to last long annoyingly. But I still love them and would rather use them than the RTs we have on the fleet.
Suzuki interface dash is the best on the market. I love being able to set TC, ABS, Throttle mode seperately and they dont' default back like Triumph. I works perfectly over silly preset modes you normally cannot change. Suzuki did such a great job and I ended up purchasing a 800DE this year. Cheers!
@@daveshakespeare1610 how did you manage to do so little miles? At 4000k it's barely broken in. I have a begginer friend, he did 23.000 miles with a pillion in two years and i know people in my country who break 35.000 miles a year. The problems start on the ktm/cfmoto at about 12k with clutches, water pumps, oil pumps, electrical gremlins, wheel bearings, cams etc. If you consider a 4k bike reliable, you probably think a 20k bike as high mileage, yet there are bikes in this world with 200k miles with no major issues. Even Aprilia Tuareg seems to have way less critical problems than Ktm/Cfmoto and it it's not remotely close to being a reliable brand.
@ionescugeorge2003 I'll rush straight out now and chuck on as many miles as I can for you 🙄 Alas, I do ride other bikes. I average around 12k per year, of which in the UK, is considered way above average by most. The point I was trying to make was, its been ridden through the winter, in all weather's and all conditions, and it's behaved impeccably up to now.
@@daveshakespeare1610i get what you are saying, but still 4k is a very low mileage to try and gain an objective perspective on reliability. There are delivery 125cc scooters that do way more miles and nobody is raving about how reliable they are. We will see the big picture as years go by and thkusands of Cfmoto 800MT break 20-30k miles. The Japanese bike makers have worked for decades to build this trust with the buyers. You can't expect this level of trust, based on nothing but warranty and wishful thinking, it must be proven.
The Suzuki comes with a 3 year manufacturers warranty and the option of a service activated warranty extension up to 7 years or 70,000 miles if you get the bike serviced at a main dealer. this offer applies to all Suzuki bikes I think.
After watching video, looked for the Suzuki RE for sale , found one locally for £7599 , ex demo with 470 miles in same colour, had test ride and picking up on Tuesday after trading in my Yamaha 22 reg mt 07 , thanks for info Guys .
Am pleased with the Suzuki, my right hand does get a bit numb , also the screen could have been made easier to move , not allen key adjustment , apart from that can't fault it.
Didnt expect Suzuki to be this good overall. Its been a while since ive heard so many praises for a Suzuki bike. At first i thought their Parallel twin 800cc platform is just another lazy product from Suzuki but now that ive seen so many Journalists and Riders praise this platform it makes me feel happy again. Way to go Suzuki 🔥
Well the Suzuki is £3000 more than the 800MT so it should be better really; but is it better value for money which is really what this comparison is supposed to be about?
I test rode a Suzuki VStrom 800RE in the same colour as the one you've just tested. I was really surprised by the bike, it was great fun to ride, really comfortable and handled a twisty fast A road superbly. My overall impression of the bike was that it was easy to use/enjoy in every respect and would be a great long term bike for a bit of everything apart from track days (obviously). You could certainly feel the many years of experience that Suzuki have put into evolving the V Strom into what we now have. The blue colour looks much nice in my opinion.
The CF Moto MT Explore has heated bars and seat. Tire pressure monitoring, quick shifter, side intrusion, quick shifter and still cheaper than the rest. My explore has not missed a beat. Love it
I'm just wondering if it's an under £10,000 bike review why you didn't go for the CFMoto MT800 Tourer which has a higher spec but still comes in at under the price of the other two?
The Sport version offered the nearest in like-for-like spec as the other two. That was the reason why we chose that version of the three 800MTs available.
@@bennettsbikesocial It's not called the best like for like spec bikes is it? It's called the "best value adventure bike", you've put up an under seven grand bike against two ten grand bikes, how can that possibly be an honest and fair comparison? The answer is it can't be!!! I've just bought the higher spec Tourer version and it's still way cheaper than the other two at only £9189.
I love these in-depth comparison convos but I have a minor comment on the presentation of the specs. When the specs are displayed and the video is rotated and angled, it feels like an infomercial. I appreciate the effort and having the specs on display but I don't really like the execution. Still love your work and all the content you all make. I find great value in your opinions and inputs.
Correct me if I am wrong; does not KTM have one of the worst reputations for reliability? Also is not reliability one the most important aspects of value? CF moto is basically a Chinese KTM... I would not spend my $ on it.
KTM did have a really bad reputation for reliability which, funnily enough, has started improving in the last few years since they started getting their engines built by CF Moto.
Good review. However, you didn't get the best version of the CF Moto 800 for under 10K (touring version), which is also still the cheapest of the 3 at £9,200 and looks much better with the gold wheels. I think you short changed CF Moto in that regard because as standard, it blows the other 2 out of the water with all it comes with, which would be extra on the other 2 bikes. I must add that CF Moto sent an update out to owners who can download it to their phone, connect to their bike via Bluetooth and download it to the bike themselves to resolve the throttle issue rather than going to the dealership. The chinese are thinking ahead and adapting to the way people interact with technology, and this will also set them apart in a good way. I would still tune it with a remap as I think it could do with more mid range though. Out of all the three bikes I think the Suzuki's low and mid range grunt along with the smaller size has the best Street riding experience. The triumph is just far too expensive for what it is, quality, but not worth the money if you ask me. We have been in a recession for years now (government want to label it something else but the GDP tells the story clearly) and we are far more price conscious as there is far less to spend readily and that is why the CF Moto version you had is now £6,799. All that bike for that price, and they are now flying off the shelves which is good to see because CF Moto are playing the long game and eventually they will win just like the Japanese did decades ago. I would rather buy that bike at that price, remap it and save hundreds than buy one of the other 2, it just makes sense. I think they are doing a great job of getting bikers on the road with good spec bikes at a cheaper rate that just need polishing, and I am all for it. I do love a premium bike and have owned a couple but, I would buy a chinese bike without thinking twice about it, as long as my research shows its a good buy (I can live with the depreciation costs). Those bikes have also been out for 2 years and I haven't heard a peep out of owners regarding the reliability. It wasn't the same when the original 790 adventure came out?? Any how keep up the good work as I really enjoy watching these indepth comparison reviews and it's about time chinese bikes are being included more frequently because wether we like it or not, they are here to stay. Stay rolling! 🏍👍🏿
I know we can't escape Chinese products, and I know I already benefit from many of them, but I'm still reluctant to buy a full-on Chinese made bike. It's nothing to do with the Chinese people/workers or workmanship, it's the geopolitics involved. It seems we're not supposed to pay any attention to the oppression of its citizens, but I can't ignore it. I'd choose either Suzuki or Triumph (or ...) before the CFMoto.
Guess what? If you don't buy the product, it's not the government sleeping hungry, it will be the citizens without a job because the factory closed. Supply chains are so complex and woven together that even the Suzuki or Triumph you may think are clean may very well have a significant portion of their bikes manufactured In China or have components from China. We see it in every industry. I always find the notion of cancelling a product or service because it is located in a region very unfair. A lot the people in China are born there and have very little to no control over the political landscape so when you cancel them, ultimately the regular hardworking citizen will suffer.
I bought a secndhand 850 Sport last August with 3000 miles on the clock from a Triumph dealership after trying a test ride on the 900 GT Pro. Decided i could live without the full set of tech extras on the GT Pro. Mine came with heated grips & hand guards, i added a shift assist and centre stand. I've now covered over 6000 miles on it in 10 months with included a tour of Scotland and this years IOM TT. With just a topbox, tank bag & 30 litre dry bag on the pillion seat i managed to carry everything i needed for each trip and with no complaints from the bike and still returning over 200 miles to a tank of fuel. Very happy biker. 👍
I'm looking to purchase a V-Strom 800RE here in the states, the steel green is a bit bland but that's all we get here in the US. Wish Suzuki offered the blue one as well 😢
Awesome review! Personally I’ll take the Suzuki because of its reputation, the Tiger it’s much more expensive to maintain, at this time , I don’t think I would buy a CF Moto, maybe in a few more years , is not a bad bike, but the Suzuki is a lot more reliable! 😊
I got a ‘21 Tiger 900 Rally Pro 6 months ago, and I have to say, at the beginning, I was like « wtf is this engine broken ? ». It was weird at first, but with time I began to absolutely love it ! With the Arrow exhaust it sounds amazing, and I totally got used to it. During service of the 900 a few weeks ago, Triumph gave me a 660, which was more the kind of engine I wanted initially. After one day with the 660 I couldn’t wait to get back my 900, which feels so much more « alive » than the very very linear 660. Overall the package of the 900 RP is so amazing (suspensions, Stylema brakes, handling), that I think I will keep this bike for long. I just wish it had a drive shaft and not that f***g chain.
Lots of similar bikes the benneli trk702 is getting good press and is a great budget option around 7k A friend of a friend has one brand new, it looks decent in the flesh and the free included alu luggage is a steal
That was a great episode, really enjoyed it. Suzuki RE has a slightly strange headlight/beak but would be my choice too. The CF looks good on paper but something about feels a bit rough and unrefined. The Tiger 850 suffers from the basic spec issue. You’ll buy one and always have that nagging feeling you should have got the 900 instead. Thanks guys!
KTM owners have been surprised by issues with Chinesium cams on their bikes that hark from the CFMOTO plant. We need to be asking questions & manufacturers need to be honest of where parts are sorced from if selling as a brand where components are made.
My understanding was that the cam issues were from pre-CFMOTO made engines that starved the 790/890 heads of engine oil, resulting in excessive cam wear? Since CFMOTO came onboard and corrected the issue, I don't believe they've had issues to speak of.
Lets remember BMW buys a lot of engines from China. The company that owns Voge, Loncom?, has been supplying them for some time. Of the BMWs I know the failures and recalls (yes...several) relate to other bits on the bike so it's not as clear cut as you make out.
Suzuki V-strom 800 RE is available for just over £7k pre-reg'd,and with 2 x companies making cruise control now, and most of the DE stuff fits,no competition here...spend the £2.5k on extras!
Completely agree with what you are saying about the vibes through the bars of the tiger - after a while it can really cause your hands to feel tingly. Again great video Simon are you saying I am old lol 😂
Can say after owning many bikes, I'm very happy with the 800MT Touring. Never so much as darted on the 2 tours recently. Bought on PCP so not worried about residual. Lifetime free comprehensive breakdown and replacement bike/onward travel and the 4 year warranty. Awesome sound and all the power I need. The heated seat is a big bonus 🤗 Screen visibility is sorted with a £5 screen shade made for the bike. Super comfy, very nimble and flickable. Just has everything I could ever possibly want. Bear in mind, I'm talking about the touring, not sport. £9,199 OTR with a year free tax. Whoop whoop 🎉
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks, no sweat, I liked your video. 1st review I've watched from start to finish I think 😅 Keep up the good work 👍 Fingers crossed for a decent summer so we can all just get out and ride, whatever the bike 😊🏍️😍
Loved the video lots of comments on resale value which at the moment seems true of all motorbikes wether that's down to company's like bike supermarket or pcp deals where second hand bikes are now flooding the market after 3 years of ownership I am not sure. When I go into my local bike dealers the floors are crammed with second hands bikes to th point you can't get around them
The major issue with the CF is the resale value. It goes thru the floor when you try & sell it in 3-4 years time in comparison withe the Japanese bikes
I guess this is true in part but also if it's cost so much less to start with that also means there's less to lose. Some bikes cost more will have better resale potential but actually percent wise sometimes you don't actually lose as much as you'd think on a CF to say the more expensive option. Just a thought
I'm not familiar with thrust as it applies to motorcycles. I would be interested in understanding how it is different than torque and how it is calculated.
@@thebrowns5337 while not my first choice, tubed tires are also found in Suzuki V-Strom 800DE, Honda Africa Twin that is way more expensive. Outex tubeless wheel kit costs 100$, so it's a pretty easy way to convert them to tubeless so it's not a deal breaker for me like the engine problems of KTM 790(Cfmoto 800MT) or the weight and heat issues of the Vstrom 800.
Nice review & an interesting vid. CF Moto seem like the best Chinese brand by a mile & they're improving quickly. However, they're not there yet & wouldn't buy one any time soon. The Suzuki seems like a great package but it's a shame it looks so bland. Just paint it red or something. Speaking of which, the Triumph looks great but it's slight lack of refonement is a little disappointing, especially for the price. Also worth noting that the Suzuki has a 7 year 70,000 mile service activated warranty if you take it to an official Suziki dealer annually.
A most excellent watch. Great analysis delivered in a delightfully interesting banter. Rode the RE and thought great engine, but don't need that much weight or bulk as I'm happy travelling at around 100kph. If Suzuki had used the gold 19/17 inch spokes of the 1050 strom it would transform the looks. And they already make the wheels... Goid work, gentlemen. Ride safe 👍
I think most of the riders doing high miles have steered away from Cfmoto, Benelli etc. so it might be some time untill enough bikes go over 20k miles.
Sounds good for a new CF moto, however what about the depreciation after 2 / 3 years not looked at second hand prices, I'm assuming Triumph would be the better value then suzuki for a bike 2 years or so old , CF Moto, cheapest , good reviews
About to buy a used tiger 850. Will the vibes be a constant problem for me on this bike how bad is it it sound like a big deal on you video. The problem is a test ride isn’t long enough to make a real Assessment. I don’t want a bike that is potentially damaging my hands. I did wonder what I was feeling on my small test ride at 70mph
If it comes to quality and reliability that l would trust on been flawless with years of reputation to back it up, l pick the suzuki. Looks only, l take the Tiger 900.
Thanks for reviewing these 3 bikes. I was considering both the 850 Tiger Sport and the 800 RE. I've heard the Suzuki also puts out engine heat, true? Should the Aprila Taureg be a contender, if I ride 90% on the road? It's light, nimble with a playful engine. Thoughts?
Actually you should consider Honda Transalp for 90% road use and no heat problems, while being lighter, more nimble, and overall a better road bike than any other at this budget. Touareg puts out some heat and is not the best choice for 90% road anyway.
Honda, in their wisdom, has chosen to give us Americans a different tune than the European version. Plus, it's only available in ugly grey. I just don't like the looks. If their goal was to drive sales to the AT adventure sports, they won. Can I borrow another 7 or 8 grand, someone?
@@juliemcgillivray3394 yes, but the tune affects only the top end. It’s up to you, but as i said the Transalp is the best in class at street riding, maybe except the Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro but that’s way more expensive.
Yep! As suggested by other viewers, what is the resale value of this cf Moto after the 3 years. On a car PCP you get a return value. Is this the same with bikes?
As we understand it, yes. There's an agreed final value on the CFMoto when you take out a PCP. Whether that value turns out to be accurate is a bit of a gamble right now because no one knows how the resale values of this new generation of KTM-assisted CFMotos will perform. The good thing about PCP though is that if resale values are lower than expected it'll be the finance company taking the hit because you, as the customer can hand the bike back and walk away.
Question for you three, not related to these bikes. I'm thinking of picking up a bike to ride in the colder months between -1c and 8c, in the dry of course. My thinking would be something with a large windscreen, handguards, heated grips, maybe a heated seat and cruise control. Anything else I should consider? With that in mind I've been looking at Honda CTX 1300's and BMW 1200 RT's. Any others I should look at?
Do people actually use pcp? i find it amazing, 4k miles P/A before charges? What now....I have put average 5k a year on my 500 exc which is a bloody enduro bike and certainly no fun on roads, here we have 'sports tourers' on pcp with a 4k mile threshold, madness
Not sure if you will remember me but I spoke to you guys about the Honda Transalp up at Superbike factory at Donington not too long ago. I rode the Transalp and then the 800MT Touring and ended up buying the CF Moto 800MT touring. I paid £9200 for it (£110pm on PCP) and it’s probably the one you should have reviewed here. Comes with everything on the sport plus up and down quick shifter, hand guards, heated seat and grips, also came with 3 piece luggage included which is really good. Only done a few hundred miles on it so far but really enjoying it. Agreed value in 4 years is £5.5k so resale value isn’t much of a concern to me, plus it comes with 4 year warranty.
I do remember. Thanks for getting in touch. We could talk long and hard about perceived value but if you like what you’ve bought and riding it puts a grin on your face then you’ve made the right call. Safe riding!
@@bennettsbikesocial cheers, really enjoyed the video 👍🏻 I agree about the unstable throttle on the CF Moto but apparently it’s been sorted now with a software update, will see if the dealer can sort it on it’s first service at 600 miles.
Didn't mention the tyres. Important if they're going to wash out on overbanding. You'll be eating dirt before traction control kicks in, that's if it's fitted because the ABS is rubbish with crap tyres.
The review was about the bikes though not the tyres. With the same tyres the result would be the same. Or do you mean the CF moto comes with crap tyres. Looks like it comes with MAXXIS tyres. I would personally prefer something else.
the Tiger first as its an excellent bike but prob needs the upgrade for the vibes, the suzy close but i think dealer network lets it down ..the CF is not any value whatsoever , it might be the cheapest but you will lose even more on residuals …also i’m a little angry at the reviews on the original 900 T crank engine ..only now after the upgrade are journos saying anything about it ..everyone kept quiet about the vibes on the original 🤔 hmm
I was close to buying a Vstrom 800RE, but found the vibration at70-80 through the handle bars so bad, very tingly, 30 mins and my hands had pins and needles, your thoughts?
Thanks for the heads up on that issue as I’m tempted by the Suzuki. It’s always going to happen with parallel twins. It’s the “rocking couple” secondary vibes that set in at about 6-7k-rpm, mitigated to some extent by balancing. The only way to deal with it is to change the gearing so that the vibes are not at cruising speed. CB500X owners that tour often change front sprocket for this reason.
Yeah it was my top pick for new bike, to replace my NC750X DCT. I could have lived with yhe dodgy looks, but not the vibes. My other concerns was the price, if you check Ebay, you dealers knocking nearly £1500 of list price, makes you worry about resale
probably the best motorcycle is the suzuki 800,.. over the years I believe it to be the best,.. something normal in suzuki,.. nothing against the others, I even think they are more attractive,.. but the suzzuki's durability is not It's a bit disappointing,.. however, I find it a little heavy,.. and this problem also affects the CF Moto 800, it also has a high weight,.. but after all, they are trail bikes,.. Feedback
I own the cf just dont you wont get any back up from the dealers when you needed it and the electrics are shocking i pay for a bike thats unrideable due to and faulty brake system that they are unable to fix.
All this talk of rider modes and ease of access whilst riding is bemusing to me. I’ve done just fine for the last 35 years of riding with no rider modes, no tc, no abs. I’ve only had one bike with fuel injection. All this technology isn’t really progress.
I think I'd have the Triumph, mostly for the reputations of the the CF and V-Strom. I think life stinks but motorcycles help to make it stink quite a bit less lol! I also think I would really like it if a company like Bennetts existed here in the States. Finally, I think I haven't laughed as hard at anything recently than when Simon said "the potential to cook your netherrs is there." I literally lol'd! Good show old sports!
I went from a Suzuki v strom 650 to a tiger 900 gt pro. The tiger is faster louder more tech better on the highway with cruise control and power. The Suzuki is better in town for stop and go traffic good fuel economy and 650 is plenty of power for in town and no heat cooking my legs. I like the tiger but I can't take the heat that comes off it in the summer. I'm going to make it my fall and winter bike and get the suzuki 800 for city and summer riding.
Ok, despite none of these bikes really stoking my interest, I’m going to watch this just to see the trio of FEC-Mann and their lively debate. Always fun, especially with the unfeasible facial hair of Profeccor Fitz-Gibbons.
It’s one of those things traditional media used to do for still photos (perhaps the cover shot) and yet we still think is relevant when recording video! Sometimes, it’s neat to show all three bikes in the same shot and of course is demonstrated by professional experienced riders, though your point is valid - I think three separate shots around the same corner would have equal impact. Cheers, Michael
The CF moto suffers from the chocolate camshaft syndrome that Honda had on there early vfr models . It also has bad fuelling problems and leaking tyres with the way they have designed the tubeless rims.
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Breaking news: since recording this video, CFMoto’s UK PR man has been in touch to report a promotional retail price (“with currently no end date”) of £6,799!
That seems a real bargain price
That'll do wonders for the already poor residual value
thats not good news tbh ..i feel sorry for anyone who has already bought one ..its almost like spamming the market
That loud bang was the resale value dropping through the floor. Would I buy a CF moto never.
They tend to dump products on the market to buy up share.
I just bought the Suzuki and I am very happy with her. She's my daily and she's quite lovely
I really like the DE in yellow and blue. The weight is a bit concerning. It doesn't feel that heavy though sitting on it. The exhaust can really shouldn't be as big as it is but most bikes have a suitcase for a muffler now.
Priceless conversation with 3 legends, much appreciated! Did not pickup on any comments re resale value and having myself really struggled to dump a Benelli 500, would I bother again? The real truth is glaringly obvious when within 1 hour of your production going live , anyone who purchased the CF has lost yet another grand! Very irresponsible!
I own a 900RP and my partner owns an 850 sport. Neither of us have any issues with vibes. In the past between us we have owned Ducatis, tiger 800 tiger 1200, KTM’s, BMW’s, etc. We both ride long distance, as in 350km is just a short jaunt. Normal days are 600 to 800 km days
I own a 2023 Tiger 900 GT Pro and have ridden 6k miles in 6 months. Everything they say about the bike is true, it puts out heat on your legs, the engine has a grumble and the display setup is poor. None of that matters, it's a bloody amazing bike. The heat is not a problem in the UK, display option 4 is pretty good so just leave it on that and I've come to love the engine grumble. Only at prolonged speeds of 85/90mph would be become annoying but then you have cruise control so not a problem. You get 230 miles to a tank and 56 mpg. It goes turns and stops great and is super confortable and practical with with luggage. The 900 has more sophisticated suspension, more power and more rider modes than the 850. I love my Tiger 900.
I've just bought a 2021 Rally Pro. Still trying to get used to the crap tft but I can't believe how well it rides on and off road.
@@philbarrett3739nice one. Tft option 4 is ok on mine. Great bike enjoy it
I bought the 850 sport just a month ago. I didn't need the CC, so the (massive) cost saving was a bonus. Same engine, slightly detuned (I couldn't tell the difference).
Added the heated grips and bought a SW-Motech top-box (excellent value compared to OEM)
So far, loving the bike. Does exactly what I need.
And yes, it was a toss-up between this and the Suzuki above, but having had a Trident and SpeedTwin, I kept with Triumph :)
You also have the issue you may not have come across such as batter compartment flooding as drainage plug not enough, which destroys the solenoid. Also rocker gaskets don't seem to last long annoyingly. But I still love them and would rather use them than the RTs we have on the fleet.
Suzuki interface dash is the best on the market. I love being able to set TC, ABS, Throttle mode seperately and they dont' default back like Triumph. I works perfectly over silly preset modes you normally cannot change. Suzuki did such a great job and I ended up purchasing a 800DE this year. Cheers!
Had my 800MT since November last year, rode it all through the winter as an IAM Observer and its been faultless.
How many miles in total?
@@ionescugeorge2003 just under 4k
@@daveshakespeare1610 how did you manage to do so little miles? At 4000k it's barely broken in. I have a begginer friend, he did 23.000 miles with a pillion in two years and i know people in my country who break 35.000 miles a year. The problems start on the ktm/cfmoto at about 12k with clutches, water pumps, oil pumps, electrical gremlins, wheel bearings, cams etc. If you consider a 4k bike reliable, you probably think a 20k bike as high mileage, yet there are bikes in this world with 200k miles with no major issues. Even Aprilia Tuareg seems to have way less critical problems than Ktm/Cfmoto and it it's not remotely close to being a reliable brand.
@ionescugeorge2003 I'll rush straight out now and chuck on as many miles as I can for you 🙄 Alas, I do ride other bikes. I average around 12k per year, of which in the UK, is considered way above average by most.
The point I was trying to make was, its been ridden through the winter, in all weather's and all conditions, and it's behaved impeccably up to now.
@@daveshakespeare1610i get what you are saying, but still 4k is a very low mileage to try and gain an objective perspective on reliability. There are delivery 125cc scooters that do way more miles and nobody is raving about how reliable they are. We will see the big picture as years go by and thkusands of Cfmoto 800MT break 20-30k miles. The Japanese bike makers have worked for decades to build this trust with the buyers. You can't expect this level of trust, based on nothing but warranty and wishful thinking, it must be proven.
The Suzuki comes with a 3 year manufacturers warranty and the option of a service activated warranty extension up to 7 years or 70,000 miles if you get the bike serviced at a main dealer. this offer applies to all Suzuki bikes I think.
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Consumer law (consumer rights act 2015) in the UK gives you 6 years, whatever the retailer or manufacturer say.
The best part of the Suzuki is that it is the least likely to need that warranty.
Suzuki just won the Bol d'Or (endurance)again...no one comes close to their reliability!
After watching video, looked for the Suzuki RE for sale , found one locally for £7599 , ex demo with 470 miles in same colour, had test ride and picking up on Tuesday after trading in my Yamaha 22 reg mt 07 , thanks for info Guys .
Glad to hear it, and I hope you enjoy! Do let us know how you get on.
Cheers, Michael
Am pleased with the Suzuki, my right hand does get a bit numb , also the screen could have been made easier to move , not allen key adjustment , apart from that can't fault it.
Didnt expect Suzuki to be this good overall. Its been a while since ive heard so many praises for a Suzuki bike. At first i thought their Parallel twin 800cc platform is just another lazy product from Suzuki but now that ive seen so many Journalists and Riders praise this platform it makes me feel happy again. Way to go Suzuki 🔥
Well the Suzuki is £3000 more than the 800MT so it should be better really; but is it better value for money which is really what this comparison is supposed to be about?
I test rode a Suzuki VStrom 800RE in the same colour as the one you've just tested. I was really surprised by the bike, it was great fun to ride, really comfortable and handled a twisty fast A road superbly. My overall impression of the bike was that it was easy to use/enjoy in every respect and would be a great long term bike for a bit of everything apart from track days (obviously). You could certainly feel the many years of experience that Suzuki have put into evolving the V Strom into what we now have. The blue colour looks much nice in my opinion.
I enjoyed that, thanks for your thoughts! Suzuki for me, all day! 😀🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good-humoured, informative and entertaining. Thanks, gentlemen.
The CF Moto MT Explore has heated bars and seat. Tire pressure monitoring, quick shifter, side intrusion, quick shifter and still cheaper than the rest. My explore has not missed a beat. Love it
I'm just wondering if it's an under £10,000 bike review why you didn't go for the CFMoto MT800 Tourer which has a higher spec but still comes in at under the price of the other two?
Came to say the same thing. I paid £9200 for my tourer, which included 3 piece luggage!
The Sport version offered the nearest in like-for-like spec as the other two. That was the reason why we chose that version of the three 800MTs available.
@@bennettsbikesocial It's not called the best like for like spec bikes is it? It's called the "best value adventure bike", you've put up an under seven grand bike against two ten grand bikes, how can that possibly be an honest and fair comparison? The answer is it can't be!!! I've just bought the higher spec Tourer version and it's still way cheaper than the other two at only £9189.
@@mickemmett6828 maybe the big manufacturers provide better freebies, accomodation, free bar etc. at launches and these guys don't want to risk that?
How come the video is 3 days old but the CF in the video is with the old engine and not the one from this year?
I'm not in the market for any of these, but I LOVE watching you guys! Best reviews and "Which Bike Next" is top entertainment @
The room for improvement and refinement on the 800MT already exists in the Explore variant.
I love these in-depth comparison convos but I have a minor comment on the presentation of the specs. When the specs are displayed and the video is rotated and angled, it feels like an infomercial. I appreciate the effort and having the specs on display but I don't really like the execution. Still love your work and all the content you all make. I find great value in your opinions and inputs.
Correct me if I am wrong; does not KTM have one of the worst reputations for reliability? Also is not reliability one the most important aspects of value? CF moto is basically a Chinese KTM... I would not spend my $ on it.
KTM did have a really bad reputation for reliability which, funnily enough, has started improving in the last few years since they started getting their engines built by CF Moto.
KTM’s are the least reliable European bikes…a Chinese KTM😬
@@pichejfIt’s a bit like when Triumph moved production to Thailand. The amount of Union Jacks on the bikes went up as did the quality.
@@903lew😂
@@903lew- a monkey in silk is a monkey no less - Rodriguez
Thanks for that review lads . Really appreciate the feedback on real world bikes that are affordable 👍🙋🏻♂️🫡🕺
Our pleasure!
Good review. However, you didn't get the best version of the CF Moto 800 for under 10K (touring version), which is also still the cheapest of the 3 at £9,200 and looks much better with the gold wheels. I think you short changed CF Moto in that regard because as standard, it blows the other 2 out of the water with all it comes with, which would be extra on the other 2 bikes.
I must add that CF Moto sent an update out to owners who can download it to their phone, connect to their bike via Bluetooth and download it to the bike themselves to resolve the throttle issue rather than going to the dealership. The chinese are thinking ahead and adapting to the way people interact with technology, and this will also set them apart in a good way. I would still tune it with a remap as I think it could do with more mid range though.
Out of all the three bikes I think the Suzuki's low and mid range grunt along with the smaller size has the best Street riding experience. The triumph is just far too expensive for what it is, quality, but not worth the money if you ask me.
We have been in a recession for years now (government want to label it something else but the GDP tells the story clearly) and we are far more price conscious as there is far less to spend readily and that is why the CF Moto version you had is now £6,799. All that bike for that price, and they are now flying off the shelves which is good to see because CF Moto are playing the long game and eventually they will win just like the Japanese did decades ago. I would rather buy that bike at that price, remap it and save hundreds than buy one of the other 2, it just makes sense. I think they are doing a great job of getting bikers on the road with good spec bikes at a cheaper rate that just need polishing, and I am all for it. I do love a premium bike and have owned a couple but, I would buy a chinese bike without thinking twice about it, as long as my research shows its a good buy (I can live with the depreciation costs). Those bikes have also been out for 2 years and I haven't heard a peep out of owners regarding the reliability. It wasn't the same when the original 790 adventure came out??
Any how keep up the good work as I really enjoy watching these indepth comparison reviews and it's about time chinese bikes are being included more frequently because wether we like it or not, they are here to stay.
Stay rolling! 🏍👍🏿
I bought a Suzuki VStrom 800 DE and I am very happy with it ❤, in yellow it looks better than in mattsteelgreen 😂
I know we can't escape Chinese products, and I know I already benefit from many of them, but I'm still reluctant to buy a full-on Chinese made bike. It's nothing to do with the Chinese people/workers or workmanship, it's the geopolitics involved. It seems we're not supposed to pay any attention to the oppression of its citizens, but I can't ignore it. I'd choose either Suzuki or Triumph (or ...) before the CFMoto.
so true👍
Have you ever been to china to see for yourself? I have, there is no oppression, don’t believe western main stream media, you are being deceived.
Guess what? If you don't buy the product, it's not the government sleeping hungry, it will be the citizens without a job because the factory closed. Supply chains are so complex and woven together that even the Suzuki or Triumph you may think are clean may very well have a significant portion of their bikes manufactured In China or have components from China. We see it in every industry. I always find the notion of cancelling a product or service because it is located in a region very unfair. A lot the people in China are born there and have very little to no control over the political landscape so when you cancel them, ultimately the regular hardworking citizen will suffer.
Look closer to home and then you can get serious about geopolitical issues.
@@anxiousappliance You're making some assumptions there.
Now that’s a 45-minute worth listening to, an honest review unlike launch reviews which are very biased to the sponsor.
Please do more honest takes like this. Too much paid/biased reviews in youtube nowadays.
I bought a secndhand 850 Sport last August with 3000 miles on the clock from a Triumph dealership after trying a test ride on the 900 GT Pro.
Decided i could live without the full set of tech extras on the GT Pro.
Mine came with heated grips & hand guards, i added a shift assist and centre stand.
I've now covered over 6000 miles on it in 10 months with included a tour of Scotland and this years IOM TT.
With just a topbox, tank bag & 30 litre dry bag on the pillion seat i managed to carry everything i needed for each trip and with no complaints from the bike and still returning over 200 miles to a tank of fuel.
Very happy biker. 👍
This knocks the socks off the myriad of amateur bike reviewers.
Keep on keeping on.
Subjective I suppose, but I think the Suzuki is clean, smart looking bike.
Same here, it looks great.
I'm looking to purchase a V-Strom 800RE here in the states, the steel green is a bit bland but that's all we get here in the US. Wish Suzuki offered the blue one as well 😢
The 800 Touring in Glass Sparkle Black looks tough. Trailering mine home from dealership now.
Remember not long ago the Vstrom 1000 being around £7k new and they still struggled then,when did mid range bikes become £10k?
Not long ago £10k got you a yamaha xtz1200 or a ktm 1090 adventure with panniers
google inflation and many things may start to make sense in your mind
Aftermarket cruise control is available for the suzuki for £300, from viridiancruise or McCruise.
Awesome review! Personally I’ll take the Suzuki because of its reputation, the Tiger it’s much more expensive to maintain, at this time , I don’t think I would buy a CF Moto, maybe in a few more years , is not a bad bike, but the Suzuki is a lot more reliable! 😊
Interestingly....
If the subject of resale value was brought into the discussion ....
The scale might tip further against CF Moto ? 🤔
I got a ‘21 Tiger 900 Rally Pro 6 months ago, and I have to say, at the beginning, I was like « wtf is this engine broken ? ». It was weird at first, but with time I began to absolutely love it ! With the Arrow exhaust it sounds amazing, and I totally got used to it. During service of the 900 a few weeks ago, Triumph gave me a 660, which was more the kind of engine I wanted initially. After one day with the 660 I couldn’t wait to get back my 900, which feels so much more « alive » than the very very linear 660.
Overall the package of the 900 RP is so amazing (suspensions, Stylema brakes, handling), that I think I will keep this bike for long. I just wish it had a drive shaft and not that f***g chain.
Lots of similar bikes the benneli trk702 is getting good press and is a great budget option around 7k A friend of a friend has one brand new, it looks decent in the flesh and the free included alu luggage is a steal
That was a great episode, really enjoyed it. Suzuki RE has a slightly strange headlight/beak but would be my choice too. The CF looks good on paper but something about feels a bit rough and unrefined. The Tiger 850 suffers from the basic spec issue. You’ll buy one and always have that nagging feeling you should have got the 900 instead. Thanks guys!
KTM owners have been surprised by issues with Chinesium cams on their bikes that hark from the CFMOTO plant.
We need to be asking questions & manufacturers need to be honest of where parts are sorced from if selling as a brand where components are made.
My understanding was that the cam issues were from pre-CFMOTO made engines that starved the 790/890 heads of engine oil, resulting in excessive cam wear? Since CFMOTO came onboard and corrected the issue, I don't believe they've had issues to speak of.
They're Austriaesium cams. KTM doesn't really know how to build motorcycles to a modern standard.
Lets remember BMW buys a lot of engines from China. The company that owns Voge, Loncom?, has been supplying them for some time. Of the BMWs I know the failures and recalls (yes...several) relate to other bits on the bike so it's not as clear cut as you make out.
Suzuki V-strom 800 RE is available for just over £7k pre-reg'd,and with 2 x companies making cruise control now, and most of the DE stuff fits,no competition here...spend the £2.5k on extras!
Completely agree with what you are saying about the vibes through the bars of the tiger - after a while it can really cause your hands to feel tingly. Again great video
Simon are you saying I am old lol 😂
Can say after owning many bikes, I'm very happy with the 800MT Touring. Never so much as darted on the 2 tours recently.
Bought on PCP so not worried about residual.
Lifetime free comprehensive breakdown and replacement bike/onward travel and the 4 year warranty.
Awesome sound and all the power I need.
The heated seat is a big bonus 🤗
Screen visibility is sorted with a £5 screen shade made for the bike.
Super comfy, very nimble and flickable.
Just has everything I could ever possibly want.
Bear in mind, I'm talking about the touring, not sport.
£9,199 OTR with a year free tax.
Whoop whoop 🎉
Brilliant! Thanks for sharing and I’m glad you’re happy with your purchase. That’s what it’s all about.
Cheers, Michael
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks, no sweat, I liked your video.
1st review I've watched from start to finish I think 😅
Keep up the good work 👍
Fingers crossed for a decent summer so we can all just get out and ride, whatever the bike 😊🏍️😍
Loved the video lots of comments on resale value which at the moment seems true of all motorbikes wether that's down to company's like bike supermarket or pcp deals where second hand bikes are now flooding the market after 3 years of ownership I am not sure. When I go into my local bike dealers the floors are crammed with second hands bikes to th point you can't get around them
Cf Moto does software updates over the internet. Latest upgrade fixed the surge problem
Did the CFMOTO have the updated mapping down loaded…? Makes a huge difference.
The major issue with the CF is the resale value. It goes thru the floor when you try & sell it in 3-4 years time in comparison withe the Japanese bikes
I guess this is true in part but also if it's cost so much less to start with that also means there's less to lose. Some bikes cost more will have better resale potential but actually percent wise sometimes you don't actually lose as much as you'd think on a CF to say the more expensive option.
Just a thought
Tiger is the only one I would consider out of the three.
What about Voge DS900X ??
Love my 850sport.
Can you review 2024 BMW F800GS and compare it with these bikes as well?
I'm not familiar with thrust as it applies to motorcycles. I would be interested in understanding how it is different than torque and how it is calculated.
You forgot the Honda Transalp in the comparison but i guess you can say it is the eaqual to the V-Steom 800DE but a different flavour.
Should be ruled out just for having pre-historic tubed tyres. We're in the 21st century now.
@@thebrowns5337 while not my first choice, tubed tires are also found in Suzuki V-Strom 800DE, Honda Africa Twin that is way more expensive. Outex tubeless wheel kit costs 100$, so it's a pretty easy way to convert them to tubeless so it's not a deal breaker for me like the engine problems of KTM 790(Cfmoto 800MT) or the weight and heat issues of the Vstrom 800.
@@ionescugeorge2003Even the Africa Twin has ditched the tubes these days. I’m fairly sure the Transalp and DE’s will as well next refresh.
Nice review & an interesting vid. CF Moto seem like the best Chinese brand by a mile & they're improving quickly. However, they're not there yet & wouldn't buy one any time soon. The Suzuki seems like a great package but it's a shame it looks so bland. Just paint it red or something. Speaking of which, the Triumph looks great but it's slight lack of refonement is a little disappointing, especially for the price. Also worth noting that the Suzuki has a 7 year 70,000 mile service activated warranty if you take it to an official Suziki dealer annually.
A most excellent watch. Great analysis delivered in a delightfully interesting banter.
Rode the RE and thought great engine, but don't need that much weight or bulk as I'm happy travelling at around 100kph.
If Suzuki had used the gold 19/17 inch spokes of the 1050 strom it would transform the looks. And they already make the wheels...
Goid work, gentlemen.
Ride safe 👍
The 800 DE has spoked wheels.
@@colinclugston4757 yes. But 21 inch front tubed. Off road.
For road use the 19/17 would be fine, tubeless spokes.
The big question is... Will the CFMoto be plagued with an appetite for camshafts? time will tell..
I think most of the riders doing high miles have steered away from Cfmoto, Benelli etc. so it might be some time untill enough bikes go over 20k miles.
@@ionescugeorge2003 Its the KTM 890 engine that is melting camshafts in under 20k
4 year warranty, who cares!
@@Tim9999999991 i found the 790 does the same. Also eats clutches and other nasty problems.
@@davidmatthews3093 have you got any examples? Like dozens of bikes with tens of thousands of miles each?
Sounds good for a new CF moto, however what about the depreciation after 2 / 3 years not looked at second hand prices, I'm assuming Triumph would be the better value then suzuki for a bike 2 years or so old , CF Moto, cheapest , good reviews
CFMOTO dash has a manual brightness setting and at maximum is readable I believe in most brighter conditions.
About to buy a used tiger 850. Will the vibes be a constant problem for me on this bike how bad is it it sound like a big deal on you video. The problem is a test ride isn’t long enough to make a real
Assessment. I don’t want a bike that is potentially damaging my hands. I did wonder what I was feeling on my small test ride at 70mph
If it comes to quality and reliability that l would trust on been flawless with years of reputation to back it up, l pick the suzuki. Looks only, l take the Tiger 900.
Thanks for reviewing these 3 bikes. I was considering both the 850 Tiger Sport and the 800 RE. I've heard the Suzuki also puts out engine heat, true? Should the Aprila Taureg be a contender, if I ride 90% on the road? It's light, nimble with a playful engine. Thoughts?
Actually you should consider Honda Transalp for 90% road use and no heat problems, while being lighter, more nimble, and overall a better road bike than any other at this budget. Touareg puts out some heat and is not the best choice for 90% road anyway.
Honda, in their wisdom, has chosen to give us Americans a different tune than the European version. Plus, it's only available in ugly grey. I just don't like the looks. If their goal was to drive sales to the AT adventure sports, they won. Can I borrow another 7 or 8 grand, someone?
@@juliemcgillivray3394 yes, but the tune affects only the top end. It’s up to you, but as i said the Transalp is the best in class at street riding, maybe except the Triumph Tiger 900 GT Pro but that’s way more expensive.
De-cat pipe and a flash(run lean),heat is gone...only a problem in hot countries,a problem created by emissions B/S
I would get the v strom 800 RE and slap a CC module from MCCruise.
Voge DS900 might be of interest to people too, BMW engine and for £8999 plus otr .....
Forget the ktm/cfmoto.. Id go for the 7k benelli trk 702x its a kawasaki based bike thats way underapriciated.
I almost went for the Benelli but you get more spec on the CF Moto so I went for the touring 800, especially when you get 3 piece luggage included.
Yep! As suggested by other viewers, what is the resale value of this cf Moto after the 3 years. On a car PCP you get a return value. Is this the same with bikes?
As we understand it, yes. There's an agreed final value on the CFMoto when you take out a PCP. Whether that value turns out to be accurate is a bit of a gamble right now because no one knows how the resale values of this new generation of KTM-assisted CFMotos will perform. The good thing about PCP though is that if resale values are lower than expected it'll be the finance company taking the hit because you, as the customer can hand the bike back and walk away.
Question for you three, not related to these bikes. I'm thinking of picking up a bike to ride in the colder months between -1c and 8c, in the dry of course. My thinking would be something with a large windscreen, handguards, heated grips, maybe a heated seat and cruise control. Anything else I should consider? With that in mind I've been looking at Honda CTX 1300's and BMW 1200 RT's. Any others I should look at?
Do people actually use pcp? i find it amazing, 4k miles P/A before charges? What now....I have put average 5k a year on my 500 exc which is a bloody enduro bike and certainly no fun on roads, here we have 'sports tourers' on pcp with a 4k mile threshold, madness
how is the engine heat on the tiger, does it blow directly on to your knees?
I’m a sucker for looks & finish & Triumphs are beautiful in that respect, a cut above the Japanese. A Chinese KTM - sounds like a disaster
4 year warranty says no.
I would rather have 1 Suzuki than 2 Chinese bikes.
Good choice. It it most likely last longer than those two Chinese bikes together.
Suzuki all the way. Now they just need to add cruise and it would be a great middle weight tourer.
decent rundown
Not sure if you will remember me but I spoke to you guys about the Honda Transalp up at Superbike factory at Donington not too long ago. I rode the Transalp and then the 800MT Touring and ended up buying the CF Moto 800MT touring. I paid £9200 for it (£110pm on PCP) and it’s probably the one you should have reviewed here. Comes with everything on the sport plus up and down quick shifter, hand guards, heated seat and grips, also came with 3 piece luggage included which is really good. Only done a few hundred miles on it so far but really enjoying it. Agreed value in 4 years is £5.5k so resale value isn’t much of a concern to me, plus it comes with 4 year warranty.
I do remember. Thanks for getting in touch. We could talk long and hard about perceived value but if you like what you’ve bought and riding it puts a grin on your face then you’ve made the right call. Safe riding!
@@bennettsbikesocial cheers, really enjoyed the video 👍🏻 I agree about the unstable throttle on the CF Moto but apparently it’s been sorted now with a software update, will see if the dealer can sort it on it’s first service at 600 miles.
Suzuki for me
Didn't mention the tyres. Important if they're going to wash out on overbanding. You'll be eating dirt before traction control kicks in, that's if it's fitted because the ABS is rubbish with crap tyres.
The review was about the bikes though not the tyres. With the same tyres the result would be the same. Or do you mean the CF moto comes with crap tyres. Looks like it comes with MAXXIS tyres. I would personally prefer something else.
What about the benelli trk 702?
Best category of bikes imo: simple and fun upright do-it-all bikes that punch above their weight.
the Tiger first as its an excellent bike but prob needs the upgrade for the vibes, the suzy close but i think dealer network lets it down ..the CF is not any value whatsoever , it might be the cheapest but you will lose even more on residuals …also i’m a little angry at the reviews on the original 900 T crank engine ..only now after the upgrade are journos saying anything about it ..everyone kept quiet about the vibes on the original 🤔 hmm
I was close to buying a Vstrom 800RE, but found the vibration at70-80 through the handle bars so bad, very tingly, 30 mins and my hands had pins and needles, your thoughts?
Thanks for the heads up on that issue as I’m tempted by the Suzuki.
It’s always going to happen with parallel twins. It’s the “rocking couple” secondary vibes that set in at about 6-7k-rpm, mitigated to some extent by balancing. The only way to deal with it is to change the gearing so that the vibes are not at cruising speed. CB500X owners that tour often change front sprocket for this reason.
Yeah it was my top pick for new bike, to replace my NC750X DCT. I could have lived with yhe dodgy looks, but not the vibes. My other concerns was the price, if you check Ebay, you dealers knocking nearly £1500 of list price, makes you worry about resale
@@christianweller4288 sorry check out my 1st reply
Funny the b.s about cf moto licenced from ktm considering that cf moto actually builds the engine for ktm , not the other way around...
Full weather protection tourers are a dying breed. Cruise control would sell the CFMoto to me. Thanks for this review.
really enjoyable content.
A lower monthly pcp payment is only good if you're going to return the bike.
Who would ever thought £10k was the lower end and we don't get bash gaurds centre stands or hand gaurds. Or even a rear rack anymore.
You do with the CF Moto 800 tourer which is currently £9200.
Ohh that nice green bike, i want one.
probably the best motorcycle is the suzuki 800,.. over the years I believe it to be the best,.. something normal in suzuki,.. nothing against the others, I even think they are more attractive,.. but the suzzuki's durability is not It's a bit disappointing,.. however, I find it a little heavy,.. and this problem also affects the CF Moto 800, it also has a high weight,.. but after all, they are trail bikes,..
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I own the cf just dont you wont get any back up from the dealers when you needed it and the electrics are shocking i pay for a bike thats unrideable due to and faulty brake system that they are unable to fix.
Please explain more
Especially the brakes
if they put a CC on the vstrom, it would be a best seller
What the fuck were they thinking
When are you influential journalists going to put pressure on KTM to fix the camshaft problem on the lc8c engine
All this talk of rider modes and ease of access whilst riding is bemusing to me. I’ve done just fine for the last 35 years of riding with no rider modes, no tc, no abs. I’ve only had one bike with fuel injection. All this technology isn’t really progress.
I think I'd have the Triumph, mostly for the reputations of the the CF and V-Strom. I think life stinks but motorcycles help to make it stink quite a bit less lol! I also think I would really like it if a company like Bennetts existed here in the States. Finally, I think I haven't laughed as hard at anything recently than when Simon said "the potential to cook your netherrs is there." I literally lol'd! Good show old sports!
Great at last a test for the everyman
No cruise control on the Suzuki , the other two do .
No cc on 850
Guy on the left Damon Hill, guy on the right Christian Horner 🤔 😆
It's still the Multistrada
I went from a Suzuki v strom 650 to a tiger 900 gt pro. The tiger is faster louder more tech better on the highway with cruise control and power. The Suzuki is better in town for stop and go traffic good fuel economy and 650 is plenty of power for in town and no heat cooking my legs. I like the tiger but I can't take the heat that comes off it in the summer. I'm going to make it my fall and winter bike and get the suzuki 800 for city and summer riding.
I found the 800RE roasted my inner thigh when I tested it. Real shame as it was in all ways a lovely bike.
Ok, despite none of these bikes really stoking my interest, I’m going to watch this just to see the trio of FEC-Mann and their lively debate. Always fun, especially with the unfeasible facial hair of Profeccor Fitz-Gibbons.
Always a pleasure to have your company!
Cheers, Michael
Agreed. To my taste they are all hideous but I watch anyway to hear the musings of presenters whose opinions are worth listening to
No cruise control = no sale.
You guys ride far too close or is that purely for the camera? Any one of you drops a bike and rest are going down too
It’s one of those things traditional media used to do for still photos (perhaps the cover shot) and yet we still think is relevant when recording video!
Sometimes, it’s neat to show all three bikes in the same shot and of course is demonstrated by professional experienced riders, though your point is valid - I think three separate shots around the same corner would have equal impact.
Cheers, Michael
The CF moto suffers from the chocolate camshaft syndrome that Honda had on there early vfr models . It also has bad fuelling problems and leaking tyres with the way they have designed the tubeless rims.
I have a the CFMOTO and I can confirm that nothing of what you have written is true after 6500kms
Presume the CFMoto has the same cheese camshafts as the KTM 790/890.
Real world comparison IMHO.
CFmoto again! They are checking money at these yourube channels.