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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.ค. 2024
- I test rode the 2023 CFMoto 650 Adventura (CFMoto 650MT in Europe, Asia and Australia) and compared it head to head with the 2023 Kawasaki Versys 650, 2023 Suzuki Vstrom 650 and the 2023 Triumph Tiger Sport 660. Each of them does at least one thing better than the rest but to pick the best sports touring motorcycle, I researched beyond the back to back test rides and found out details to compare that would immensely help people looking to buy their next mid segment sports touring motorcycle.
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Chapters:
650cc Tourers I rode: (0:00)
Most Beautiful 650cc Tourers: (0:24)
Exhaust Note comparison: (0:48)
Performance Comparison-Engine, Power and Transmission: (02:05)
Comparing Seat Height, Ground clearance & Comfort : (03:12)
Suspension & Brakes Comparison: (04:32)
Touring Accessories & Electronic Rider aids Comparison: (06:52)
Prices in USA, UK, Australia & India: (09:40)
Fuel Efficiency Comparison: (10:03)
Service Intervals and Warranty: (10:38)
Reliability: (12:00)
The Best Touring Motorcycle: (13:05)
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This is an absolutely amazing video mate. Looking at getting a new bike (choosing between a Strom and a Tiger 800, I just hate that tiger whine, but everything else bar the service costs seems good. )
Thanks! Try and get a test ride of the Vstrom (if you can’t find a demo at a dealer, you could try motorcycle rentals). I’ve ridden the Tiger 800, it doesn’t even come close to the Vstrom in engine character.
Possibly. Like I said, if I didn't ride them back to back, I wouldn't even have realized that the seat could be anymore plush than the Vstrom. As you can tell obviously from the video, I became and absolute fan of the VStrom and am actually considering it for my next bike. As for the warranty & service intervals, that's the hardest thing usually to research because they have different warranties in different countries, USA, usually getting the least of all. I probably need to start including the disclaimer about verifying warranty and service information locally as well. Thanks for the feedback.
@@RiderXp Hi, Im actually in the process of choosing between the Vstrom and the Versys. If it’s possible, could you give more info on what’s impressive about the Vstrom engine performance and why you prefer it? Also which has less vibrations.
About the vibrations, I honestly didn’t pay attention to that because personally I do not complain much about about them on any bike unless they’re are exceptionally out of whack! As for why I liked the engine, the VStrom torque and power combination is just more enjoyable across the rev range. At low revs it lugs along like a tractor, mid range revs, twisting the throttle a little quickly gives you a feeling of being pushed back into the seat (still in a controllable fashion, perception would vary by experience and rider preference). It’s just more exciting than the parallel twin engine of the Versys. The Versys engine delivers power in a more predictable way so the acceleration is more linear. It’s just personal preference, there isn’t anything wrong with either in my humble opinion. If you truly want to compare them, the best way is to test ride them back to back.
@@RiderXp Thanks man, good info. I think I got it. The problem is, here they don’t allow test rides for the bigger bikes. The smaller bikes (150 cc) yes. That’s why im here on TH-cam trying to get as much info I can. I did remember probably like 6 years ago, a friend did give me ride in his vstrom. It was just from a mall to my home 5 - 10 mins away. And when I got off I did have that tingling sensation all over my body like Im still on the bike riding. Never been on a Versys in motion though.
I have had a v storm for 9 years now. In 2018 I rode it two up, 43000 miles around the world. No back up van, no ton of spares and no issues. Does 260 miles to a tankful and very comfy.
That's epic! I've been absolutely in love with the VStrom ever since I rode it for the first time. I'm working on a follow up video that is coming up next week. Stay tuned!
I’ve had 13 V Stroms in 10 years. Last 11 650. Very last 2017 XT. Sold it (with 50000km) after 1 year of ownership and 43 000 km. Great bike but before you go for it ride Tracer 900 or even better 900GT.
@richardhretczak536 I actually have a Yamaha XSR900, the tracer 900 has the same engine. It would be a lot of fun in a touring avatar for sure!
@@richardhretczak536 interesting what you insinuated about the tracer. My story is that I wanted to make a decision between the two mentioned. Tracer was beautiful, rode more agressive than the vstrom650, of course, larger engine, nice tech, and very convenient cruise control. But, But, I ended up choosing the suzuki. It was comfier, planted, predictable, and powerful as well. And somehow I feel it is not going to rip me off as less tech, less stuff that can fail. Anyways, sometimes I think that I can amend my decision as the tracer has not still been sold haha! very close price to the vstrom! OMg!
@@danielmadrid818good for you. Congratulations. There is so many factors that we have to consider when it comes to motorcycle. Whatever works for you and makes you happy. I was just trying to say that based on my experience Tracer 900 represents really good value on used market for what it is. Not only more power but more of every possible option (including C/C on GT). Ride safe and enjoy it.
50 years of touring have taught me a few things. Engineer father taught me that oil changes are the single most important thing in how long your engine lasts. To a great extent, engines are engines. This modern trend to extended oil change intervals is problematic. On my Suzuki using full synthetic I will extend the standard 6000 km interval to 8000 when touring, but that's it. My Burgman doesn't hold much oil. My CB500F has a much larger sump. That makes a difference.
At the same there is a documented case of a V-Strom 1000 that went 450,000 miles with just routine maintenance using Castrol 10-40 Syntec changed every 7000 miles. As an ex-owner of two Strom 1000's, those bikes are loafing at 100 miles an hour, a speed that would have a 650 working very hard. Bikes that are pushed hard need more frequent oil changes.
In terms of valve adjustments: I used to get my bikes checked when recommended. None of my Suzuki's ever needed a valve adjustment, but I don't neglect oil changes.
Right on David.
Another aspect, consider using a thicker 20/50 Full Synthetic V-Twin (air cooled) motorcycle oil vs a mere 10/40, especially if in a hotter Southern or Southwest climate.
Also, Synthetic oils are amazingly durable IF kept clean.
It'd be better for longevity sake to run your high quality oil longer & swap to a new oil filter mid way to your next full oil change interval, than not.
If riding low dust, clean on road, longer interval is fine.
Both Mobil & Amsoil have done Synthetic oil longevity tests on running, never switched off "test engines" for 100,000 equivalent miles lengths, and found nil or no oil breakdown.
This was in a lab / controlled environment, of course, but makes the point: engineered oils are an amazing technology.
So, regular renewal of filtering media is our best move.
Thanks David, I would probably be OK with 10K oil change in a Honda CB500X as it seems less stressed, but won't go beyond 8K on my 650 Strom.
6 year Vstrom 1000 "02 owner here and i can confirm all of the above! I do oil changes every 5000kms full sintetic 10w40 regardless of riding style 3 to 4 times a year and bike runs great. I also do my own brake, air filter and clutch fluid service every year.
In cars, 250 motor-hours for usual traffic (I don't care about 10k/15k manufacturers say, it is mere advertisement - oil change costs same as 1 tank of fuel). Motorcycle engines rotate faster and work harder, so 5000km (3000 miles) seems reasonable, and not expensive.
Suzuki, Triumph or CFMOTO have no coal dealers so at 5000km intervals I will be constantly driving to the dealer…. Where I live we have big distances and you are NOT allowed to do your own warranty servicing…
I've been riding street bikes since 1978. I bought a 2020 V-Strom 650XT new and so far it has proven itself as the best motorcycle I have ever owned or ridden. The 645cc Suzuki V-twin engine has been around since 1999 and has proved to be damn near bullet proof. I find it comfortable for 500 plus mile days. Love the versatility and smooth shifting transmission. Suzuki has kept this one around so long because it wasn't broke, so why fix it? Just refine it and and make it better. It will probably be the last motorcycle I ever buy.
Thank you for sharing your experience. It helps others make up their mind. Cheers!
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I baught my cfmoto 650 October of 2023 for 4999.00 can't beat that price anywhere. I've owned over 50 motorcycles in my life and would say overall this cfmoto is the best motorcycle I've ever owned. By the way the brakes work perfectly.
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Great comparison test. I'm in the UK and I have a VStrom 650 and as a Triumph fan boy for the past 40 years, when the Tiger 660 came out I took one for a test ride ASAP. I'm just over 6'1" tall and the Tiger is not made for guys like me. I was also looking for a tourer and as you said the Tiger is a sports bike with an upright sitting position. I still have my VStrom. On comfort, I do 250 to 300 mile days on a regular basis, a week at a time when touring. Most miles in a day was 700 split into a 250 mile day and a 450 mile motorway (freeway) dash home. No problem with comfort at all... fatigue, yes, comfort, not so much.
Wow! Hats off sir! I thought I had left my touring days behind me in India. Believe it or not, in 2016, I rode a Honda CBR650F over 1000 miles in 2 days on Indian highways(nothing like UK motorways in quality or traffic discipline). When I moved to US, I started riding track a lot more than streets. When I test rode the Vstrom for this video, it was so tempting to go back to that. I’m still not sure when that will happen and I’m pretty sure that some day it will. American freeways or interstates are not the most interesting, that’s probably why I’m not that desperate atm. A Europe motorcycle trip would be a worthy motivation to do it one day. Thank you for the kind words, the encouragement means a lot to me. Cheers!
And a video after a long time and this was much needed as it's a great segment these days
Thanks for listening to my suggestion and changing your video now yours are some of the best video I've watched this one three times.
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Great run down on those 4 bikes.Thanks.I've had the '17 'strom for over 5 years now & will keep it.The only problem really is the weight at slow speed.But once the rider respects that fact(can be painful lesson.) It's all good. With valve adjustment,I won't worry about it unless performance drops.
That's pretty much what I felt too about the weight. Thanks for sharing your experience, please consider sharing this video with others and help me grow the channel. I would very much appreciate that. Thanks!
A good video that covered a bunch in a short amount of time, thankfully I had already finished my first cup of coffee and was able to keep up.
Thank you! I am trying to find the balance between sharing most of the information while keeping it reasonably paced. Haven’t mastered it yet, but i’m getting there. Thanks for watching, please share with others who may find it useful.
Very slick presentation! I wish all comparisons to be made this way. I especially appreciated the bit about resolving some issues with after-market fixes. Brilliant! I'm with you on the CF MOTO. There are some concerns there so still some way to go to gain our faith. I urge your followers to see Ryan F9's after sales "oil test" vid for consideration. Overall, excellent work!
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Thanks for this video. I got my first bike (Vstrom) a year ago. And you said it correctly! It is a giggle machine! And so far super reliable. I wouldn’t chose anything else! But I appreciate your detailed comparisons! Cheers
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The BEST motorcycle comparison video's on TH-cam! Well done! ;-)
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Nicely done, thanks for including Australia:)
Thank you! I have friends in Australia, can't ignore them :)
Yes, the V-Strom valve checks are an expensive proposition, but a my mechanic - a life-long Suzuki qualified person with over 30 years under his belt - told me that he has done scores of them and has never seen one that needed a thing. He did two engines for me, an SV650 and a DL650, and both were right on spec as he assured me they would be. I have therefore decided to stretch the next interval a good bit …but that’s just me.
Nice! No wonder they’re known for their bulletproof reliability.
Well done Faraz, as always, very informatitive, detailed, and fun to watch
Thanks a ton for the kind words!
I just found your channel and I love your breakdowns!
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I like your video very much. It is very helpful for me to analyze these motorcycles in a detailed and objective way.
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Great job man!
Thank tout for your quality work
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Amazingly interesting video with tons of useful information and comparisons. Thanks a lot
Thank you Tariq bhai, I’m glad you found it helpful.
I do love the V Strom 650XT. My only suggestion on your video is to label your graphs with each bike so I know which is which when studying the numbers. Your videos are informative and easy to understand. Thank you.
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Articulate, thorough and excellent review/ comparo. Thanks!
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I liked the use of Zack Courts' "giggle score" in the comparison, which in your estimation the V-Strom won handily. I always referred to the V-Strom 650 engine as not overly powerful, and yet very "satisfying". The V-Strom also scores near perfect on my own "smile per $" rating. As a matter of fact, I have owned about 40 bikes in 52 years of riding, and I like the 645cc Suzuki 90 degree twin so well that I currently own a V-Strom 650 AND an SV650. 😎
Thank you! That’s quite a lot of experience. I too love that engine quite a lot and was pleasantly surprised when i rode the SV for the first time. I can totally why one would love to have both. I’m actually seriously considering replacing my xsr900 with the VStrom, have been debating between the 650 for the engine and 800 for the slightly better dash. I’m glad you enjoyed the video, please share it with others and help me grow the channel. Thanks!
@@RiderXp Thanks for the great comparison. I will certainly be checking out the channel and watching for more content. 👍
For a rider of my extensive experience and rather advanced age, who still loves to ride but is starting to require less "heft", and has already owned and/or ridden everything under the sun and has nothing left to prove, and therefore cares nothing at all about excessive power or image, the DL650ABS Adventure hits all the buttons really, really well.
It is a capable tourer and country road explorer. It is all-day comfortable. It has a reasonable seat height. It is rather lightweight, and therefore easy to roll in and out of the garage, and to flick around when under way. It requires very little maintenance. It gets excellent fuel economy. It looks nice - at least to these old eyes. It is proven to last a really long time. The motor and its unique power delivery is SWEET, and SMOOTH, and SATISFYING. And perhaps best of all, it has a very retirement-friendly price tag, especially on the used market. What's not to love?
@ralphcantrell3214 Agreed 100%. I don’t have as many years of experience but thanks to the channel, have been able to at least test ride lots of bikes. The best thing that happened to me was going to the track. It helped me scratch the speed itch in a safe environment and when I started riding street again, the need for speed was replaced with need for enjoying the scenery and soaking up the sun. So now to me street riding is just about enjoying the scenery and camaraderie and track is when I feel like scratching the speed and cornering itch. Very happy to connect with riders from all walks of life, experience levels and style of bikes. Starting this channel is the best thing I did for my sanity. Am grateful everyday for the love and support I get. Cheers!
Had a '17 VStrom 650 base with alloy wheels. 40k miles and only issue was a blown low beam bulb. Ended up with a '22 650 Adventure. These are probably one of the most comfortable, dependable and fun bikes around. 60 mpg, handles great, and in black with blue front cowling ( I don't call it a beak- my GS1200 had a real beak), I think it's cool looking. Should have had the SV 650 4 pot calipers, but stopping power is actually pretty good. Engine will exceed 200k miles with a modicum of care. I love it.
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@@joecamel6835 What is this guy talking about? We're talking VStroms here chump.
Vstrom 650 is an amazing motorcycle, it is just ugly as f**k!
@@joecamel6835 What are you talking about. On the wrong channel or what?
I own a late model 2018 Honda CB650F and run it in a touring configuration. It's been brilliant and trouble free and the solid reliability and sound of the inline 4 makes it a joy to ride. A 100,000 km in se Asia riding and I would recommend this bike for easy of repair anywhere and low maintenance cost along with a more unique ride
I’ve owned a 2015 cbr650f and took it touring quite often including a 1600 kms ride (wouldn’t recommend it haha). That was one of my favorite bikes, wouldn’t have sold it if I wasn’t moving countries.
Excellent job! You saved me a ton of research. I had a VStrom I bought new in 2010 for 9 years until moving to the US in 2019. Fantastic bike. Not a single issue. Would ride 200km gravel and 400km tarred in a day. No problem. Did have a gel pad though. Great suspension.
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What a briliant comparison review!
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Absolutely LOVE my Tiger 660
Cons
No cruise control
1st gear is WORTHLESS
Wind buffeting
Mirrors are too small
Other than that, this is by far the best bike I've ever owned!!
Awesome! I'm glad you found the bike you love.
i really enjoyed this video, but i LOVED the SportMax tyres on my old Hornet!!
Good video!
I have a had cfmoto cforce 600 touring four-wheeler for over two years. It has been phenomenal. They are built very well and I have no complaints yet. I hope they put the same quality and craftsmanship in the motorcycles.
Thank you for sharing your experience, this should help others make up their mind. Cheers!
Vert well done presentation, the printed info was great
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The perfect comparison in 15 min only !! Big Bravo !! (Athens GRE)
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Picked up a Vstrom 650 last year as a second bike to cover ground. Did a few mods and the dash is more old school, which I like. I spend more time looking at the ride then the dash. The Vstrom as a L Twin, cylinders are 90 degree configuration which naturally cancels vibration.
Very well done . . . thanks!
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Nice reviews, you really know what you're talking about.
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Awesome video!!! Really great observations on these great machines. I just got a 2023 Suzuki 650 with the “adventure” package. I’m coming off of an R3 so a 650 feels like a rocket ship. 😂 That V-Twin engine design is a gem. I wanted one before they phased them out here in the states. 😎🔥
Thank you and congrats on the new bike! I’ve been thinking about it ever since I rode it. I do not have enough space in my garage but i’m really really tempted. I rode that engine in the Vstrom & the SV650 and loved them both. Just can’t justify a third motorcycle haha!
You wont need three motorcycles if you purchase a V-Strom 650. It's the "Swiss Army Knife" of bikes!@@RiderXp
@mrbenhaynes Hey Ben! That’s a great point! At least for the street, it is indeed a swiss army knife. I also track a ZX6R frequently, so I could definitely keep it down to 2 once I sell the XSR & replace it with the Vstrom.
Great video! Thanks
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Good review and nice t-shirt 🇮🇲🏍️🏁
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So well researched, I've loved this channel for quite some time (less than 10K subs is a crime).
Disclaimer: I've been riding V-Strom 650's since 2007 so may be biased, but have tried other bikes.
I choose V-Strom 650 mainly for 19" front wheel, great fuel range and the valve adjustments never need doing as the shims stay in tolerance.
Reliability is unmatched, stability in lumpy corners is beyond reproach. The sound of the V-twin is FAR nicer than the parallel twins.
I would be interested in the CF Moto MT700 for the larger capacity engine and outstanding value for money.
Thank you for the kind words. I absolutely loved riding the Vstrom I’m so tempted to buy one, just trying to figure out how to justify a third bike in the garage haha!
Great vid very informative
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Very well done! 👏
Thank you, follow up video coming this Friday. Stay tuned!
Faraz whats up bro!!! nice fraking video man! see ya soon at Jennings!
Thanks bud! I’m probably gonna do UCF in September, hope to see you there!
Tiger with Yoshimura exhaust woke me up completely while I was viewing this video from my bed at 6am....
I'm friends with a guy that works in a dealership that's a CFmoto representative and he did assured me that the 650 engine is a kawasaki engine. The CFmoto 800mt engine comes from KTM and if i'm not mistaken, CFmoto made a deal with Yamaha a while ago
My 650 Strom has an Akra can and sounds amazing I think but the Triumph with that Yoshi is just awesome!
Very good comparison !!! New subscriber !!!
Thank you! Welcome onboard! More touring motorcycle videos are coming…
Hi, what as the model of the GPR Exhaust for the 650 MT... sounded great. Thank you.
The Ackro exhaust on the V Strom 650 sounds the best! But, the Ackro is a tenth of V Strom's retail! LOL
haha! That’s an interesting observation. Honestly, I wouldn’t worry about exhaust upgrade. I love it the way it is stock.
I just bought a 2015 V-Strom 650 and I love it for long distance riding. 😊
Awesome! Congrats!
I bought a 650 Adventura used last week. It had only 6 miles on it, and I purchased it for $5500 out the door.
Lovely comparison though, Suzuki has already in 2014 (at least in Germany) extended the service intervals from 6.000 to 12.000 km for the V-Strom. I own one since 2022, had a test ride with the little Tiger, took me two minutes to find the neutral, so decision was easy. Interestingly, the Tiger with all accessories had the same price like the V-Strom with accessories, but I have to confess that I loooove the V-Twin.
Thank you!
Interesting on the service interval. I stuck with the 6000km interval for the first 100000km, now stretching it to 8000km for the rest of its life. Still matches up with the 24000km valve clearance check (which has never required adjustment on my two Stroms over 200000 km!). Go Suzuki!
suprisingly good review looking at the 650mt for 3k used here
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In the last 12 years I have owned 5 different cruisers ranging from 950cc to 1900cc, a FZ07, and am now on a 2019 V Strom 650. I put between 30k and 40k miles on each cruiser and 45k miles on the FZ07. So far I have put 20k miles on the V Strom. I absolutely love the V Strom. It's such a great bike. Easy to ride and just cruise on but you can also rev the crap out of it and have some fun. It likes low and high rpm. I'll be trying the new V Strom 800 out soon.
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Hi. If you try the vstrom 800 DE, I would be very happy if you compare it with 650XT and write your opinion. Have a good ride... Some people said that the vibration is a bit too much on the 800DE. I was undecided between the two.
V-Strom 650 has a regular service every 12.000 km and it's pretty cheap. In my service book there was written every 6000 km but 3 different dealers confirmed that it is 12000 km now.
Even better! Wins more browny points in my books too!
Thanks bra!
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Love my TS660, just wish it had cruise and another 15-20 horses.
Je viens pour la première fois sur cette chaîne et ça ne sera certainement pas la dernière. Très bonne enquête et très bonne analyse. Rares sont les chaînes TH-cam qui font des analyses de cette façon. Bravo. ✌️✌️✌️
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Great video
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wow, i'm really impressed with this review. Lots of relevant info! Chapeau, monsieur! No more jabs at the SportMax, ok :)
Merci monsieur! Glad you liked it! Like I said, the Sportmax works on the Versys 650 pretty well! :)
Thanks for this video.
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I bought a CF moto 650 Adventura used with 6 miles on it for $5500. How could I not take a chance at that price. So far It has been a great bike.
Yeah, it's a good deal. Thanks for sharing.
I just all of a sudden want a touring adventure bike and I cant stop thinking about it. Im never letting my Harley go but I want something lighter and more practical for my work commute which is 120 miles round trip daily! I found several 2023 CF Moto Adventuras brand new no miles going for $4,999 and I can't help but strongly consider it and I am impressed with the total package and I do like the looks of it. It looks very comfortable and im not too worried about resale as I wanna keep it as a long term commuter. I am a little concerned about the power though which I know is plenty but I kinda want something with a little more. But it is enough and I know these are geared differently and lighter so it will probably feel faster in real world. Also love that it comes with bags already and for $5k before taxes etc, the value is incredibly inviting for me. I really think im gonna pull the trigger on one near me that is white and black which is color I prefer over the blue. I wish they had an all black one but it's not a big deal. My Harley is for looking pretty, I just want something I can just get on and go without worrying about every spec of dust that touches it like I do my Harley. 😂😂
Thanks for sharing, I’m glad you found the video helpful. It’s great value for money, the power is decent, you may miss the Harley torque. I’ve also compared slightly bigger bikes but they are more money. Do check out some of the other touring comparison videos on the channel. Love the user ID by the way!
Great work!! I am a motorcycle mechanic, been in the industry over 20 years. Here in the US the forks are either conventional or inverted. Conventional with the larger tube down low and inverted is the opposite. Versus 650 all the way! Haha!!
Thanks! I understand that USD (upside down) forks is understood globally as inverted. But thanks for pointing it out, i’ll he mindful of that in future videos.
Vstrom with a Russell Day Long saddle and you can go and go. It is a faithful horse to pull into town on.
I great video and great comparison. I hvar the V-Strom 650 2021 model and in my book the service intervals are every 12000km for oil and filters. I haven't got to the valve service yet, but i do have had to do the first spark plug change and that is a costly one due to labor time, but I guess it depends on the mecanic. It is a realtively easy job to do yourself when the bike is out of the warranty time, which in spain is 4 years.
Here there are V-Stroms that have reached +400.000 km!!!! The guy has a TH-cam channel.
The V-Strom only flaw is the suspension if you are a heavy rider, but that is easily solved. Other that that, the V-Strom is an amazing bike.
Thank you for sharing your experience and the kind words, I have another interesting Vstrom video coming up soon, stay tuned.
I hear from high mile Vstrom owners that after the initial valve inspection and possible adjustment at around 15,000 miles, the settings tend to not move for many, many miles. i just did mine at 15k and the exhausts were at the end of tolerance. I won't check them again for a few years . Did it myself, not that hard if you have all the information at hand and take your time.
It is an old school bike. You take care of the bike, and the bike returns the favor with pleasant riding experience year over year.
This has to be one of the best comparison videos I've ever seen. Personal preference I would take any of them but the Triumph. The riding position is not comfortable for me.
Thank you for the kind words. Please share with others who may find it helpful.
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Amazing video, About resale value, when an bike costs 3000 dollars less then the others.and losses 2000 euro's in value (same as the VStrom will do in two years) it is still a steal. Bosch electronics are also on board. I bought a CF Moto today.
Awesome! Congrats! And that’s a fair point. I’m glad you liked the video. Please share with others who may find it helpful.
Excellent review. I've said for a long time that low purchase price is insurance against resale loss. Buy a $15k bike and sell it two years later for $12k that's only 20% loss, or $3k. You can lose a whopping 33% on a $9k bike and it's still the same $3k loss. This is why speculation that CF Moto won't hold good resale value is not a valid reason to avoid them, IMO.
Thanks! And yeah that’s a great point!
Most of the UK bike mags have done the same test (some without the CF Moto) but in each test the Tiger 660 won by a long way, something you failed to mention was that Triumphs also hold their price better than every Japanese manufacturer.
Thanks for sharing. I have shared my honest opinion based on how I felt. I was actually expecting to like the Tiger 660 the most since I prefer sporty motorcycles in general and it has that feel. But the Vstrom took me by surprise and totally blew me away. The only thing the Strom doesn’t have going for it is the lack of updates, but the ride was so enjoyable that most would be willing to overlook that. As for holding their value, it varies by region and doesn’t exactly works the same way in all countries, especially in the case of European motorcycles.
Yes, the Brits have always favored Brit products while putting up with the quirks and maint.
Hi there love the video. So as we go into 2024. New bike ordered.. well hats off to CF Moto, there new CF Moto 700MT white is on its way to me. Collecting on the 5/1/24. They have already addressed the suspension adjustments. So you can now adjust the new set up. It has a whopping 74 bhp and 69 nm torque. Comes with 4 years warranty. But this can be extended to 12 years. Yes 12 years warranty, nobody else puts it out there like this. Respect to them , it’s now backed in the UK by KTM UK as importers, but the best bit is the icing on the cake. The price . Till early January 2024 there discounted. From £6699.00 to a staggering price of . £5499.00 yep it’s crazy at this price with the new suspension set up and new electrics tft screen connectivity and switchable mods. Pirelli tyres. You can’t loose. CF MOTO HAVE been around for years with there Atvs so tested equipment, and 12 year warranty. What is there not to like. Brilliant. Thank you CF MOTO. 👍👍👍
First of all thank you for the detail insight into the CFMoto 700. I really appreciate it and it reinforces the positive feel I was hoping the CFMoto had the potential to bring in the minds of new buyers. I'm glad you liked the video, I appreciate your kind words. That is exactly what keeps me motivated to keep putting in the time and effort in making these videos to the best of my abilities. Thanks again and please consider subscribing. Cheers! - Faraz
Hmm... strange to see how much average sized rider differs between countries.
I sometimes find myself contemplating that i could do with a slightly taller weestrom, if it gave longer suspension travel.
And - to me - it seems not heavy. Ofc. the other side of that is bikes like honda crfl 500 losing half suspension travel when i sit on em.
Great video comparison. I like a lot of people said heck no to CFMoto at first. After watching a lot of videos like this I might consider a CFMoto in the future.
Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you liked the video. Please share it with others and help me grow. By the way, I had the same feeling about the CFMoto motorcycles. Have ridden about 4 of them so far and all have impressed me.
I'm from Malaysia my 650gt it's really a amazing bike to touring around the country and neighbours country Thailand with no problem
Good comparison
Thanks!
All cfmoto machines have a standard 5 year (60 month) warranty in Canada.
With the 700MT now available in the UK, CF Moto have discounted the 650MT at only £4999 while stocks last. Now that's a bargain 😁
Sure is!
Excellent video. I still like Versys the most.
From what I understand, it is actually the most popular among the 4. Thanks for the appreciation, please share the video with others who may find it interesting.
any reason why?
it sounds so bad..
Great video, nice and honest comparisation, i own a cf moto mt 650 from last november, I'm 180 cm and i agree with you the windshield is to low, do you have any idea where i can find a larger one, i searched but didn't find one, maybe because this bike till now is not sold so much, i live in Belgium Europe and we don't have so many dealers, they also could not help me, will on the new 700 the windshield be larger? If so than maybe i can order that one by my dealer, greetings, jan.
Hey Jan! Thanks for the kind words. Like you said, the bike is fairly new in most markets and now they’re coming up with the 700 so it would be difficult to find after market parts for it for a little while. I’m afraid I’m unable to guide you finding after market parts for it just yet.
I own the Tiger Sport 660 and the only thing I am really sad about it, is the lack of Protection for the Plastics, there is one tiny little protection bar for the engine, but nothing on the body. 😕 I saw some after market options but because the bike was not ready to get this accessory, there is no good connections, so they tend to wrap around the entire bike, and it looks ugly af. 😕
I love interceptor 650 the beast
Suzuki in Canada gave me 60 months of Warranty on my Vstrom 650.
That's awesome!
VSTROM it is thank you 🙏🏽
I'm glad you found the video helpful. As you can tell from the video, VStrom ended up being my favorite too. Thanks for watching, please share the video with others, I would greatly appreciate that. Cheers!
Bought the CFmoto 650MT couple of months ago. Love it, for the price, for the ride and it looks good to. A no brainer. What about resale value if you pay thousends less new? Than resale value is no issue at all.
Fair point. And as more and more people buy it and have positive feedback to share about it, perception may change for the better and help with resale in the long run
Good point about resale.
But with motorcycles ending up Garage Queens for probably 50% of purchasers (I'll stop short of calling them riders), why on earth 🌎 pay new prices ?
Your best move is such a bike as ALL the depreciation is
G O N E out of the equation.
You just have to save the entire depreciated price, no financing.
I just scored a perfect immaculate lightly accesorized 2008 V-Strom 650 @ 12,000 miles - barely broken in, for $3650 OTD at a local used motorcycle dealer.
New ones are said to be $10-11,000, so I paid 1/3 the cost.
Woo-Hoo it rides runs & looks new....
That’s a great way to save money and i’m all for it, especially for models that have been around without significant changes that would affect their ride quality. Although I also understand why some people are apprehensive about used vehicles in general. When people are starting out a lot of us aren’t as mechanically inclined and don’t want to risk ending up with a motorcycle that could break down or worse… keeps breaking down. I also know lots of riders (even professionals racers) who go through their entires lives without learning enough about fixing bikes and still end up being great riders. And at least across the few countries I’ve lived in I have observed that this phenomenon is a lot more common than mechanically inclined people realize. I only started taking my bike apart in the past 4-5 yrs which was roughly a decade after I had been riding. So there’s that aspect of it to help answer your question.
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Right makes sense.
I'm mechanically inclined & do nearly all my own auto / motorcycle / bicycle fixes, and I can just drive & run most any motor vehicle & tell it's condition quickly.
On this recent V-Strom purchase, the shop owner once he had my license & insurance info, allowed a "go ride as long as you like" test ride.
It took me 50 miles to give the double "Thumbs Up" to the V-Strom.
Absent this fairly extensive test, I'd likely not have purchased it.
I've heard many new motorcycle dealers don't allow test rides.
True ?
Yes, varies by countries, dealers and brands too. E.g. in India, it’s fairly easy to test ride a under500cc motorcycle at a dealership unless it’s a Royal Enfeild. Thet dont let you test ride because of the massive demand and cult following. In the US, Euro & American brands are more willing to let you test ride but I’m yet to find a dealership selling Japanese bikes letting you test ride one (again sales volume may have something to do with it) So once a year Demo rides are usually the only way to ride all the bikes you want in most states in my understanding so far.
Id buy that new CF Moto. It looks alot sharper. This is probably the best comparison video I've ever seen. NO CAP!
Thanks! I’m glad you liked it, please share it with others who may find it interesting.
I picked up a new 2022 650nk in late August of 23 for $3,999 usd. I would have likely opted for the triumph if i could afford more than a clearance priced cfmoto. But it really has been a good bike for the 1000m i have put on it. Mine really seems to fall on its face at 7500 rpm. A lot of cfmoto riders get offended and promise me there's isn't that way. I almost wonder if mine is governed for some European beginner bike law?
Recently bought MT 650, love it. Also got the crash bars, very sturdy and looks way better.
Easily the best value is CF Moto, just think about it - 30% cheaper! How is this even a debate.
Thanks for sharing. And there’s the no denying the value prop, it’s just that stateside, the brand will take a while to build a reputation.
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One thing that you missed, is the preload adjuster on MT650. It's not an actual knob, but a screw of some kind. Even though you need a tool to use it, it's still there.
Otherwise, really liked the objectivity of your review, especially when you get the bikes' reputation calculated in. CF Moto is yet to go through the test of time, while the other ones already have.
Imagine being one of the lucky ones that actually love the sound of parallel-twins, like me. No downsides on MT650 or Versys. :)
Anyway, stay safe and cool.
@@DjoleBravo They've had Cfmoto here in Australia for a decade, reliability is up there on the latest models. My 3 have never let me down, though they have had niggles
@@chrispekel5709Hi also in Oz ..thinking of getting a more road orientated but not soft 650 to replace my beast of a KLR 650 …when you say niggles?
Do you think the 650 MT a would get around Oz without breaking down in summer heat?
I know the Versys or V storm would …really like the price of the moto $8290 rideaway ..money left to buy a KLX 230S for serious trail riding near home.
@@orionswitness TFT screen failed. Brake pedal broke off a bit too easily with a fall (I think the metal is crap quality on that part). Had a tiny oil leak which didn't affect the bike but had to be fixed (tiny small leak) Had a shit rear LED light that kept breaking. Ended up sticking an eBay light on top. One bike kept running batteries flat a bit faster for some reason, or I had crap batteries. Not sure which.
Never had one let me down and not start though. I've rode thousands of KMs now. Being Versys based they are easy for any bike mechanic to work on, servicing parts like oil filters are different but overall it's a pretty close clone of versys engine and frame.
Japanese bikes do break as well, but the perceived quality means people forgive it. If it's Chinese and has a single problem it's Chinese junk
The worst thing about them is they run a bit hot at your legs, but it doesn't worry me too much. Way more 'quirks' (ie: things that are shit) on a Ducati and everyone forgives it because it's Italian
Yo tengo la 650mt 2021 y esa tiene 70 Hp... Saludos desde Chile.
eso es bueno felicitaciones
Same here. I think the muffler sound is also a bit different, in a good way on the 2021.😅 👍🏻
i love the cfmoto 450sr bike but my concerns regarding parts serving and resale ....
Picking up a 450ss tomorrow
Awesome! Congrats! 🤙🏼
The service intervals are total bullshits, I would change oil every 5000km in every bike and check valve clearence once at year. Manufactures saying these horrifying numbers as marketing to sell more bikes. But 16000 km in triumph to just change oil? Jesus christ, after so many kilometers, oil is totaly destroyed without needed properties. On the other hand i really like to see Suzuki and CFMOTO, presenting real numbers, it's really nice from then to be honest.
I find little difference between the versys and the Vstrom engine. The whole 180 crank being lame i just simply disagree with. doubt me just look at the dyno charts. they are very similar.
The kawasaki (and cfmoto engine) are higher pitched whilst the v-twin is more burbly and sounds a bit deeper. You're right though, there really isn't as much difference as many reviews make out. When you actually ride them it's amazingly clear. But they have to talk about something, right?
My 2022 vstrom has an adjustable brake lever - maybe different in some markets? 🤔
Possibly. Could also be a minor oversight on my part. I’ll find one and confirm.
Why do none of the reviewers never do two up riding comparisons
Good question. In my case, it's logistical challenges that I haven't yet figured out how to over come at my budget and scale. I couldn't tell you about other reviewers though.
Can you give some thoughts about Qj srt700?
I haven’t ridden one so I can’t make any comments about it
Thanks for your response
Have you ridden the 2023 Suzuki V-Strom 800DE? Wonder how would you compare it to the Versys 650?
I have not. I haven’t heard good things about that motor in that avatar though. But whenever I get a chance, I would like to ride it with an open mind and share my honest opinion.
@@RiderXp the 2023 has a new motor, and so far the reviews look positive. Hopefully I can find a place to test ride it and see.
@Jareknphotography Look up Suzuki’s website, they typically have details on their demo day’s schedule (at least in the US)
At 10:07 you mentioned that the Versys was close behind the V-Strom in fuel efficiency. Didn't you mean the Tiger was close behind?
Yes I did. Good that I had the numbers on screen. I would like to add that these are relatively indicators, active figures vary based on several factors, throttle happiness, traffic and terrain usually being the ones impacting it the most.
Yes I did mean the Tiger! Thank you for keeping me on my toes. :)
Heard Vstrom 700 is in the wings. 😊
Interesting. I know about the 700MT is coming for sure
The stock vstrom 650 baby all the way
Please do not forget us riders in europe! You mention US, UK, Ind and Aus!
Really great comparisons otherwise.
Hey! I appreciate all viewers and support from all the different parts of the world. The comment about specific countries is specifically for price comparison. I have to limit it to a manageable number of countries for research and editing. Thanks for your support and comment.
I've always heard that the v-strom is increadibly comfortable. Is the Versys THAT much better?
Honestly, I would’ve never felt the difference if I didn’t ride them back to back, the seat is plush indeed. But if I were to buy one, I’d buy the whee-strom and try and get used to the seat or get seat pads if I went on a super long ride.
Yeah, the V-Strom feels like sitting in my TV-arm chair. Riding 200mls feels like almost nothing. I think, the XP Rider has just problems due to his individual body shape. I'm taller (6 feet), so the V-Strom fits just perfect, also with the standard seat.
I sat on both (in the store) today again actually as im in the process of choosing between the two. The Vstrom feels like you are in an open minimalist cold room. But ok. A little bit too roomy for my taste. The Versys feels like a cosy small warm bed. The Versys seat is also soft and plush. The Vstrom is harder. I dont imagine feeling any discomfort on the Versys in a long ride. The Vstrom probably. After a while it might be possible to feel some discomfort.
I love how you describe them. I would agree with them feeling like that too!
@@lotharhafner9578 More than the riding position, the actual seat padding was just more comfortable on the Versys. Of course this is also a matter of individual perception and preference.