2021 Kia Seltos Off Road
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2020
- The all new 2021 Kia Seltos is AWD in all but one trim level. How does this inexpensive and well equipped vehicle do off-road? Watch to find out!
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Nicely explained. I really liked Seltos for normal road trips with some off roading as well. Thanks for sharing.
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Great video. Very informative and interesting. You can tell how much research and time goes into your uploads. Cheers.
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I was waiting for this video. Thank you.
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I appreciate you showing what it can do when pushed. I won't run into anything like that in Chicago, but nice to see how the other half lives. I bought it for pretty esoteric reasons like fuel economy, step in height, grocery capacity, warranty, and cost. I think it's a nice looking car as well, which doesn't hurt. I'm coming from a second generation CRV and after 4 months, I love this car! Please keep up the informative videos.
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Funny bro nwi here lol 😆. Gf works in Chicago and looking at this.
Good video, been looking for an off-road video for the Seltos. I love mine, plans for a small lift, wheels and tires in the future.
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Found this very helpful, I will never put my Seltos in that level of off road testing as i wanted something safer in the wet and able to cross a grass paddock without getting stuck on a bump or incline, i felt you tested it just on the edge of its capability and now i know what i could expect from my AWD Seltos when it arrives should i get it in a position of traction loss on a highway shoulder or steep driveway. It will achieve everything and more that i will ever throw at it. Cheers!
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I've driven it in knee deep snow and it just does fine! Great review btw😊
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Dude your channel is awesome and adventurous
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Thanks so much for this great off-road video of the Seltos SX turbo. I bought one 2023, and I really wanted to know how it works on an uneven terrain. This video helps me to the next time I have to transit on an uneven terrain how to set the best driving mode according to the road conditions.
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Very comprehensive review! Well done.
Dude...bravo. Great stuff.
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Pretty good video. Ill be checking out your others.
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I will admit, the Kia did better than I thought it would. These brake-based traction control systems have really gotten better over the last few years.
They've definitely come a long way, buy as you've said before, old school lockers and limited slip systems are still better.
Thank you so much you saved my money with this video, I was just about to buy one.
Interesting, what are you looking at now instead?
Joe that makes Zero sense.. what did you think it was,?? sort of stupid to think it was a Jeep..
I have toyota rav4 2001 automatic transmission i took it brand new from the dealer its my daily driver, and now after 20years am thinking of buying a new car so I was thinking of kia but now I think ill go for rav4 2020
@@joeblackron Have you seen my Rav4 videos? They are definitely two very different vehicles, and I think you should test drive them both or at least look at them both in person before making a decision. I don't think you could go wrong either way. Good luck!
@@EngineAdventures good advice, I will watch the video and I'll try to test drive both cars but my mind is going towards the rav4 because it served me very well all this years.
Thanks bro well done
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I'm thinking about getting this car but course of doing anything as close to this w vid. But have u done any snow , ice wet road testing?
I have not, I only had the vehicle for a week to test and it wasn't during the winter.
Is this the SX trim with DCT? Transmission heating was perhaps because of the DCT?
Have you faced any issues while using in the DCT in city conditions? - slow moving traffic, uphill/downhill drives?
It is the DCT, and yes the heating was because of that. I didn't notice any issues driving around town and in the mountains here. I wasn't in any stop and go traffic though.
Your video are very high image quality. Did you use a 4K camcorder?
Thanks! I film in 2.7k but load it into TH-cam as 1080p.
Missing from this review:
1) Was the traction control on or off during the climb? If it was turned on/off, when?
2) Smelled burning DCT clutch?
3) What mode was the vehicle in when performing 0-60 run. Others (Magazines & TH-cam reviewers) have reported both faster and similar times as you. 0-60 times vary over 1 second depending on who does the testing. Some are getting around 7 seconds while others are getting around 8. All tests other than the auto magazines lack a methodology.
4) I wouldn't call what you did offroad testing being it only tested the vehicle against one obstacle type.
5) This climbing test with a Seltos SX has been often enough to know the 7 speed dry clutch DCT is it's weak point. The results are predictable at this point. Nobody has attempted this test with a Seltos EX with the 2.0 AWD/ IVT (CVT) combo. If you want to break new ground in your testing, ask Kia to get you one of these (or an LX AWD) and repeat this test. Nobody seems to have done this yet.
You test was as good as other tests I've seen on TH-cam. The only points missed were discussed were more details on what settings were applied.
1) Traction control was on for all of the tests in the video. I tried it off camera with traction control off and as expected one front wheel and one rear wheel slipped stopping it from climbing very quickly.
2) "Transmission temp is high! Stop safely" was displayed in the DIC on the gauge cluster. I didn't notice any smell.
3) Normal mode. I was going slight uphill at 4,600 ft elevation. I didn't apply the brakes to build boost beforehand either. I left a lot on the table, but it was more indicative of everyday driving.
4) It was off-pavement on a dirt/gravel road. Doing the articulation test helps show how each mode affects throttle and the traction control. That in turn helps determine which mode is best in sand, mud, snow etc. without having all of the elements at hand to test in. Of course various tests in all conditions would be much more informative and effective.
5) I'd love to test the other models. In my experience CVT's also struggle (see my Subaru Outback video or Nissan Murano), but yes other transmission types can do better depending on gearing and tuning.
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@@EngineAdventures Agreed, you would be the first to show an off road test of thier CVT (EX Model)
Exactly CVT offroad is demanded
I just wanted to mention something about the acceleration coming from a hard driver. it seems not consistent to be honest, coming off a gravel side road onto a highway this thing slams you into your seat. Turning right from a dead stop on a paved road and pressing the throttle to the floor a bit slower and omg you will take 8 sec to get to 60. I am figuring out that this motor requires boost knowledge and when its in its sweet spot it will rip forward much faster than expected. Sport mode makes it the most consistent and predictable.
I Just took my Seltos SX T off road around Zion Utah, I didn't hit any steep grades that were over 50', we had no problems and trans handles the slate rock. After I hit a little over 2k miles I no longer smelled any transmission like I did when it was new. Only upgrade I have is air intake, and 17 inch steel wheels running Toyo open country A/T III 225x60 17 ,these tires worked better than expected going through a sand wash also. I want to keep the MPG about where it is but would like to improve torque a bit more down low. ill do some more research there. Other wise, its a very versatile little rig with good room and still narrow for some light trails to get to the scenic spots. For the noise I made a sheet of light weight foam that runs along the rear floor board and a piece cut to fit under the trunk floorboard over the spare tire and quality tinted windows all helped the road noise a good amount. For our long all day drives and light off rod tours nothing other than the ford Bronco Sport came close to winning my money, Bronco was too much money and worse on fuel. So I got this Selot's fully loaded minus the mud flap, with the sun roof option and pearl white paint an paint protection for 28,333. USD out the door, no other brand came close. This was through Costco. FYI they make you get the paint protection option.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Is your Seltos equipped with the 7DCT?
I have a Hyundai Tucson with that 7DCT and Ive been through some pretty nasty stuff with it. 1st gear is relatively low so the DCT handled it with ease!
@@moonsapling This one did have the 7DCT. It's a capable vehicle, but this steep hill climb is much harder than it appears on camera.
@@EngineAdventures yeah cameras tend to smoothen the terrain a lot. You also did it without using momentum which normally people wont so just so you lush it to the limits and thats what I like about this video and why I keep coming back. Its just "what if I didnt use momentum" and its also great that Hyundai put an alert to prevent you from further damaging the vehicle. This video was a great one :)
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You should do this exact same test with different vehicles
Check out my full channel, that's exactly what I do!
We have this exact same one
I mean
EXACTLY THE SAME
Great review
4:58 I was ready to buy this car like, today until I saw that. That put me off completely because it's supposed to be a new car.
I'll just check for a second hand Jeep.
It's a dual clutch transmission, most dual clutches struggle with slow speed crawling because the clutches slip and overheat.
@@EngineAdventures it overheats when you let it roll backward. Use your brakes.
It overheats when the clutches slip when there is pressure on them. Yes rolling backwards a little doesn't help, but there really isn't that much pressure on them at that point otherwise the engine would stall. The real heat and wear comes from climbing the hill but not being able to go fast enough for the clutches to fully engage. The clutches have a ton of friction in them and are slipping while trying to get enough power out to the wheels to climb the hill. They can't fully engage otherwise the engine will stall, but they have to keep pressure in an attempt to move forward.
This AWD is really only for rain and snow on roads and highways, not a monster truck show. Maybe Michellin Tires would help
The AWD will definitely excel in those conditions and it did really well in my testing. There aren't many vehicles this size that have done better. AT tires would make a difference, but the faults of the system would still be there.
The weak point isn't the system but the dry clutch DCT. It can't handle slippage situations well.
Sir I live in India and here kia seltos is top selling car , many buy small/mid suv here as long travel roads are prone to floods due to heavy rainfall , so I wonder if water wading capacity of seltos is good ? I don't exactly need off roader but good car to handle floods ... Jeep compass can handle floods very well but it is slightly expensive ... Here ground clearance of seltos is 190 mm, can seltos manage high flooded roads ?
I don't know the water fording depth of the Seltos. Typically I saw the middle of the wheel is the deepest I would go without modification.
Treat the DCT like a manual, dont load on the clutches like its a torque converter, thats why it gave you a warning. If you drive with a tiny bit of momentum and try not to crawl below 2-3mph its gonna be a tank.
That's true, and a little momentum can go a long way in many situations. I deliberately drive as slow as possible to strain the vehicle systems as much as I can.
@@EngineAdventures i understand and appreciate your tests, one of the best on youtube :)
@@moonsapling thanks for watching!
Can you do Suburu Forester off road test?
I don't get many Subarus, hopefully there will be more coming. I have done a 2018 Outback, but that's the only one.
I want to mention something a bit different about this Brand Kia or maybe just this 1.6T motor. I have never had a new vehicle that was so obviously different after it broke in. After first oil change it was so much better and smoother. Never experienced this much change with other brand vehicles.
thats because the DCT learns and adapts to your driving. same situation with my Tucson 1.6T
@@moonsapling Well So far You cant be argued with. I am Surprised its so hard to find more material about this. Kia should advertise that there cars get better with age and the smell goes away at about 1500 miles lol.
@@darvelbidenisapuppet7275 true!
Many people test drive the car saying it is "jumpy", but I like that. And over time it become less jumpy when the clutch learns your style.
Also 1st gear in the dry 7DCT is very low ~3.60, and the final drive ratio is also very low ~4.60. That means the clutch barely slips before it engages and enables the car to climb hills really well.
All you have to do to not overheat the transmission is to not lay on the clutches. A bit of momentum and ESP off goes a long way.
Ive been studying transmissions quite a lot and have even disassembled one of the 7DCT units. If you have any questions feel free to ask me!
@@moonsapling What’s ESP? I just bought a 2022 SX and had concerns for off reading. I like what you said.
@@phxlightz9150 ESP is the Electronic Stability Control. Together with TCS(Traction Control System) It takes the job of preventing your can to spin out in slippery conditions. It works by cutting engine power or individually applying brakes to slipping wheels.
In offroad situations however when you drive say in mud, loose dirt, sand, snow it is better to turn ESP and TCS off. This way your ECU wont cut power from the engine and will not apply brakes, allowing wheelspin and full power.
It is also a good idea to put the transmission in 1st gear manually because as I stated earlier, 1st gear is basically a low gear for the 7DCT.
You can turn ESC and TSC via a button in your car.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask me?
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I particularly love that "first piss upon waking up after a night of binge-drinking" color it has
I like that the color is different, although it probably wouldn't be my first choice.
I love it especially the price
Sorry I missed the price of the car, can you tell me what's the price and in which country as in India it starts from Rupees 11.5 lakhs to 21 lakhs.
The base price is about $21,000 the top trim starts at about $28k us dollars. This one was about $29k and very well optioned.
@@EngineAdventures Thank You So Much for the reply...So price is almost similar in both of our countries.
@@tejasparekh4365 nope seltos sold in other countries are bigger in wheels and size and everything as well as have 4wd and Indian version is smaller and fwd. But kia is trying to bring the bigger one soon but will cost around 39-44lakhs.
@@tejasparekh4365 in india you wont get the same options as in north America, right now with sertain discounts and buying through Costo for example you can get SX T-GDI top trim with the sunroof and better looking pearl white paint options $28.500, USD which is about 24.41 Euro so I'm betting prices will be even lover in India maybe with the diesel. The price I listed is without mud flaps but everything else, that's with a spare in the back also.
Wrong tires to do any of this!
Correct, but the faults of the system are still there, and even with the best tires it wouldn't have made the hard line on the steep climb.
Put some all terrain tires on that thing and ur golden.
It still wouldn't have made the hard line on the steep climb. Tires are very important, but in this test two of them are pretty much off the ground. It's more about the vehicle's ability to transfer power to the wheels with traction than the tires.
The problem with new systems is you have so many 4x4 options you don't know which one to choose. Paralysis by analysis. Then your stuck
That's true, I guess you could get the Rolls Royce Cullinan, it has one button for all off road conditions. It's the "OFF ROAD" button.
Great video. After this video I seriously doubt the offroad capabilities of the Kia Seltos.
I think it's hard to see how steep this hill really is. It will traverse well maintained dirt and gravel roads without worry, it's when you get into the rougher stuff that it struggles. The Seltos is about on par with the Subaru I tested. For vehicles this size the king is definitely the Cherokee Trailhawk.
They also aren't really designed for off road like that. Mostly rain and snow with the occasional back road
I don’t think anyone really ever thought this was designed as a true off road vehicle. “Soft roader”, maybe for sand, snow, trails, but not a rock crawler.
Is this Dax Shepard narrating the video?
I wish, he is a huge car guy. I'll see what I can do about having him doing the voice for one of my videos haha!
Which Kia Seltos model is in this video?
SX Turbo
If they had an off road package that gave it better tires, rims and a lift kit. That color is nauseating. It would look way better in Undercover Green.
Hope indian version become this capable
No u can't expect ,bcs it is awd
Indians don't need this quality. Besides, Indians won't pay for quality stuffs. Substandard cars at bargained prices is going hot in India!
Surprised it doesn’t look off- rod capable Like my MURANO🤷🏾
It's been a long time since I've tested a Murano, but I don't remember it performing well in these tests.
Kia recalls 147,000 Seltos and Soul vehicles for fire risks, new engines needed.
Interesting, lots of vehicles have recalls, this one is a big one because the faulty part is deep in the engine.
Is that for the 2021?
would do better with smaller rims and at tires
That's true, but the limitations of the AWD system are still there. When climbing a steep grade with a wheel on the air it will still struggle.
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As long as AWD system is coupled with a dry clutch DCT. A torque converter automatic or maybe even a wet clutch DCT will allow it to power through slippage without the vehicle trying to protect itself.
@@matthewgaines10 I'm only familiar with wet clutches in motorcycles. Which AWD vehicles have wet clutch DCT? Curious...
It needs a rear diff
Why...this isn't marketed as a serious off road vehicle and if you need one and are looking here you've made a wrong turn. This will do what people who buy it need to. Be capable in wet/snow conditions, be able to travel along gravel roads...end.
Why do you testers never put offroad tires on these AWD cars? Realistically someone intended to go offroad wil swap the tires.
These are media loans that I only have for a week. Tires would help, bit the faults on the system and still there and that's what I try to show with my testing. Even with the best tires it wouldn't have made the hard line.
Tires!
Tires can make a huge difference when offroading, but in this particular test the tires aren't that important. This test is all about how the vehicle transfers power to the wheels with traction. Basically two diagonal wheels end up in the air with zero traction, meaning the vehicle has to be able to move enough torque to the other two wheels on the ground to move the vehicle up the hill.
Change the tire.. its on road tire and its not a serious off road SUV..
A better tire would have helped a little, but the same limitations of the traction system are still there. The main goal of my channel is to test how the traction systems work. In this case when climbing a steep grade with two wheels losing traction it will struggle, no matter how good the tires are.
I cannot understand why auto manufacturers get away with using brake vectoring only?! To me, that's not a true awd like torque vectoring would be!!!
While I agree with you on some level, it does have a great cost savings (vehicles already have ABS and it uses the same system) and simplicity.
some1 put it on 3 rollers and see if 1 wheel will move it
Theoretically it would, and I think it would on flat ground. If the slope is too steep it would really struggle and probably wouldn't make it.
@@EngineAdventures it sux :) just to scam stupid ppl. my opinion
Seems ok just lacking hp for off roading.
Yeah, it's a great all weather vehicle. Thanks for commenting!
Just need better tires....
While having the right tires for the terrain certainly helps, that's not what the limiting factor was for the Seltos. In this testing two diagonal tires are pretty much left in the air, or very close to it. Even the best tires won't give you traction in that situation. The AWD system couldn't get enough torque to the other two wheels with traction to make the climb.
@@EngineAdventures ...hmmmmm I understand that. But better tires would. I have a 2015 durango and I understand how the AWD system works and I'm also in the jeep family. Your passenger front tire was spinning. If you had better tires you most certainly could have done better. Now...I don't expect you to take a car your reviewing and switch out tires on it, just point out the fact it would have helped significantly. It's it the best awd system no..no its not hell the ridgeline had a far better awd system along with Subaru ..Audi and so on. But not comparing this to them. This is a good review with your standard city driver that thinks they will be invincible. . Lol which they would be wrong 😆
even for off road véhicule is hard and also wrong tire. Is not build for off road
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This is clearly not an off road vehicle.
Very true, but doing these tests also helps understand how the AWD system works and how it may perform in bad weather or for the occasional time drivers find themselves in a tough spot.
Not a 4wd vehicle! AWD is for slick road conditions, not off road.
You're right, it's not designed for regular off-roading, but if there are only a few tough spots on your trail then this will likely get you there.
Just make it a nice family car forget off road it's not built for that purpose it's a lifestyle car not an off roader
Very true, but knowing how well it transfers power will help those who occasionally end up somewhere unexpected. Check out Matt's Offroad Recovery for lots of examples of regular vehicles getting into some rough spots. The other benefit to this video is to teach people how the AWD/4wWDsystems work so that they can perform better as drivers in rough situations.
Mazda's AWD is better.
Watch my cx30 video to see how the Mazda performs.
What a horrible vehicle. It barely gets up anything and when it does the transmission overheats. Way too much praise is given to this vehicle.
I disagree, this hill is steeper and more difficult than it looks on camera. For what the Seltos was designed for I'd say it does just fine.
Worst offroder It is performing like a front wheel drive car
It is front wheel drive biased, but the AWD system is actually pretty good for bad weather. It wasn't designed for hard offroading and definitely can't handle really rough sections.
Overheating transmision, not very reliable, better get a subaru
Their CVT's can't do any better than this either. Check out my video on the Outback.
Atleast 100k miles?
Duffer driver
How so?
weak car
AWD sucks!
I'd say it's pretty good, at least on par for this class if not better than most.
Crap off road.
Better than most in its class though.
My 8 years son's rc car do better hill climb than this dct crap! 😂
I reckon RC cars can out climb most of the vehicles I've tested. They have great power to weight ratios, excellent approach, break-over, and departure angles, and very little fear of damage.
LOL useless AWD can't even go on a light camping trail...Big reason why people that live in icy areas don't buy these crap brands.
It's actually pretty capable. It did everything just as well as the Outback I tested. I'd say it's not an off-roader but great for all weather on the street and occasional forest or fire road.
Slippery conditions due to inclement weather is a very different beast than off roading. Also, "crap brand?" Leave your bias at the door, please. Kia has taken the top spot in the JD Power initial quality category SIX years running. It receives multiple such awards a year and the 2016 Soul won the 2019 award for most dependable Compact MPV.
Come to Ukraine i will show u kias ,kia is best in Ukraine.
Kia-hyundai💩👎👎
They've come a long way and are now widely considered reliable and well equipped for the cost.
In india both are reliable very reliable,hyundai/kia are 2nd best selling cars in india