2020 Mazda CX-30 vs. 2021 Kia Seltos Off-Road: Can You Guess Which One Struggled?

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  • @chadlegault9993
    @chadlegault9993 4 ปีที่แล้ว +139

    You guys are a great team. That was very enjoyable.

  • @doorkicker8507
    @doorkicker8507 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Both have AWD. And are very good in the snow covered roads. Which what it’s made for......Commuting to work.

    • @iClone316
      @iClone316 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Exactly, I have the Seltos, and it's perfect for what I need it for: something not too big, but still sits high off the ground, has AWD for when I need it. Storage space, etc. It's versatile for what I need it for, commuting.

    • @3MatthewWright3
      @3MatthewWright3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ima go with a seltos for working at a ski resort

  • @jmfoty4280
    @jmfoty4280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The 2021 CX-30 has ground clearance of 8", or an increase from the 2020 of 6.9". The Seltos remains at 7.3" for 2021.
    Thank you for your review. It seems like Mazda was watching.

    • @Wigglythegreat2
      @Wigglythegreat2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I have the 2023 and it still has 8" ground clearance.

    • @cherylbrantley4736
      @cherylbrantley4736 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah , qi was going to say the same thing 8”.

    • @cherylbrantley4736
      @cherylbrantley4736 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Who lets you borrow these vehicles to tear up?

  • @mattv5281
    @mattv5281 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I really appreciate you guys taking cars to the limit (off road, EV towing, etc). It's not how most people would use them, but it's how I would use my own vehicle.

  • @jjj4888
    @jjj4888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I'm guessing the "steep grade" thing in the Kia is the computer assuming you're trying to hold the car using gas instead of brake. It wants you to hold the car with brake so you don't burn the clutch

    • @talltomtube
      @talltomtube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I have a 2019 Kia Soul! with the dual clutch. You can feel it roll back a bit on steep slopes before it engages. The best thing to do is to turn sport mode on (this sets the idle to 900 rpm up from 550 rpm base idle) and use your left foot to come off the brake when using your right foot to press the gas at the same time. No rollback or jerky engagement. Once you understand that this car drives like a manual, because it is, it drives quite nice.

    • @icare7151
      @icare7151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Perhaps if the Kia off road mode was engaged first for the step test, the transmission would not have overheated.

    • @georgehuser4711
      @georgehuser4711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@icare7151 I don't think so. It's about gearing. It cant simply go in gear without clutch that slow. Low range is needed offroad if you like your clutch.

    • @waynehobbs5175
      @waynehobbs5175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree. DCT is a great design but doesn't have universal application. IMO torque converter autos are more capable for off road.

    • @waynehobbs5175
      @waynehobbs5175 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@georgehuser4711 I agree. I drive a 4WD these are AWD. I don't use low range much but when I do . . . Front centre and rear diff locks are available. In my SUV centre and rear diff locks are available in 4WD high range so that handles most things. 8 speed torque converter auto helps too.

  • @butchcassidy7010
    @butchcassidy7010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i really like how TFL gets better and better every year. writing has improved a lot and so has content and quality.

  • @tfcooks
    @tfcooks 4 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    My conclusion, they are both ski trip cars.

    • @halc.2899
      @halc.2899 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bingo.

    • @WRuiz10768
      @WRuiz10768 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If the ski trip doesn't have deep snow on the way there.

    • @MrAntoniorey
      @MrAntoniorey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or just all weather cars. Really don’t think these vehicles were designed for “off roading”

    • @441meatloaf
      @441meatloaf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MrAntoniorey None of these compact Suv's are designed for off-roading they are called light off-roading. Only one vehilce may do better is a Subaru Crosstrek, but still its not a real off-roader.

  • @Kingthin
    @Kingthin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Just got the CX30 and love it!!

    • @eric9249
      @eric9249 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Made in Mejico?

    • @Kingthin
      @Kingthin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eric9249 no idea...

    • @Dave-sw2dm
      @Dave-sw2dm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Just got a 2021 CX-30 this week. Really enjoying it. And yes, it is assembled in Mexico. I'm guessing Japanese engineers and managers are making sure the quality stays on par. It is a really nice put together car and fun to drive.

    • @Kingthin
      @Kingthin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anonymous00117 oh well...

  • @matthewallman1
    @matthewallman1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bought a 2016 Mazda CX-5 sport with 38k miles on it and I couldn't be happier. It gets me to the trail head and makes city driving in Denver relaxing and easy. I sold my old Ram power wagon and I do miss it but with gas prices it got to the point where I couldn't afford to drive it recreationally which defeats the purpose of owning one, imo. I tinted the windows and installed a single sealed 12" subwoofer to accompany the factory sound system and it sounds great and looks great. Another interesting thing is that it has 64k miles on it now and it sells now for what I originally paid for it so around 18k.

  • @jacobyo99
    @jacobyo99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    The Seltos is much better looking than the Kona

    • @MrAWD-ox3gk
      @MrAWD-ox3gk 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      💯

    • @imnotusingmyrealname4566
      @imnotusingmyrealname4566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The Kona is hideous.

    • @Proxyyy825
      @Proxyyy825 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm Not Using My Real Name true. With that frog looking lights

    • @theytwatcher950
      @theytwatcher950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Nah both the Hyundai Kona and Kia Seltos are beautiful cars along with the CX-30. I think the Kia Sportage is a hideous car.

    • @bbbbbbbbbbbefw1606
      @bbbbbbbbbbbefw1606 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’ve got a 2015 Sonata and the engine blew up at 42,000 miles despite changing the oil every 3,000 to 5,000 miles.

  • @boricua4052
    @boricua4052 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like the camaraderie between you two. I always admire a good father son relationship. Keep up the good work.

  • @Lebowski5000
    @Lebowski5000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love the tests you do, TFL! Thanks!

  • @AWDfreak
    @AWDfreak 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now I have a proper conventional automatic vs DCT video to use as a reference regarding taking crossovers off-road. Keep it up, thanks for uploading.

  • @kingpin3919
    @kingpin3919 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You guys continue to rock! Thank you for all of the excellent content.

  • @jeffhebert9643
    @jeffhebert9643 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    SUVs are not designed for " off roading " . They are made to be family vehicles that are good in the snow or for going to the cottage on dirt roads ..etc.

    • @connermt74
      @connermt74 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jeff Hebert SUVs are more for off roaring. These aren’t SUVs but CUVs.

  • @DJ_Underwood
    @DJ_Underwood 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think more realistic, the buyers of these cars aren't going off road to this extent, might be better to test access to hiking trails and for many, testing how they grip in snow.

  • @JaRW7
    @JaRW7 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Mazda AWDs may be the best part timers out. They have obvious ground clearance issues but otherwise don't get stuck.

  • @KuyaArbee
    @KuyaArbee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    I'd rather drive a mazda cx-30 :)

  • @ronsmith7880
    @ronsmith7880 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I enjoyed this as well...I say Mazda would be my choice..Thanks Roman n Tommy⭐⭐⭐⭐

  • @cgmiller82
    @cgmiller82 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    I own a Seltos SX Turbo and absolutely love it. I would never off-road it like you have here. The other family car is a Cherokee Trailhawk and it does everything we need it too. This comes from a former Wrangler owner that just got sick of driving *the BEST* off-roader ever, on road more than off-road. Thanks for the video!!!

    • @AIDAHAR210
      @AIDAHAR210 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I used to live in eastern Russia where I remember having to "offroad" on the daily basis just to run errands and go to work because our "roads" are just atrocious, so offroading is not fun at all for me.

    • @nicbtw6062
      @nicbtw6062 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This guy knows... I was insanely crammed for time, get a car and show up for work type of rush. My local options were 85k mile Trailhawk or 3k mile Seltos.
      Took the Seltos, three weeks in and I'm still checking if I've made the right decision... I love it but it's a weak little thing.
      Hows your Seltos holding up?

    • @anthonyr8862
      @anthonyr8862 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How’s the road noise? I own a 2020 wrangler unlimited and I’m thinking about trading for a seltos.

    • @cgmiller82
      @cgmiller82 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@anthonyr8862 I've had the Seltos a year and a half now and can't recommend it at all. I have many complaints, the biggest one is the suspension. It bottoms hard on even moderate bumps. The only good things I can say are that it's great on gas, and the Bose sound system is amazing. To answer your question, the road noise is not terrible, and fits with the price point of the car.

    • @anthonyr8862
      @anthonyr8862 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cgmiller82 how’s the ride quality? Are the seats comfortable for longer distances?

  • @Gold63Beast
    @Gold63Beast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    LOVE THE NEW SLIP TEST!!!

  • @24zex
    @24zex 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just got a Mazda CX30 AWD and it seems absolutely perfect for the majority of city driving as well as some soft roading that I'm planning on doing with it.

  • @jmfoty4280
    @jmfoty4280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your video convinced me to scratch the Seltos from my small SUV list of possibilities. The same dual clutch overheating might happen in a heavy snow environment I face in Minnesota every winter.

  • @lowlanz
    @lowlanz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    What's interesting is that Hyundai/Kia wanted their SUVs to drive like a nimble and quick hatchback, but they also wanted it to actually look like an SUV. That's why they went with DCT and turbo engine. I guess it probably worked. At least for Kona. Since Kona won car of the year in both Spain and US, which are two differently tasted markets. It succeeded to satisfy the Europeans looking for rugged looking hatchbacks and Americans looking for quick SUV. I think Seltos could do the same.

  • @Avalk9724
    @Avalk9724 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Who the hell goes off-roading with these ??

  • @karmastarr4193
    @karmastarr4193 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Real world real reviews on car 🚘 excellent great 👍🏻 job & enjoy to watch your channel

  • @JoseDiaz-rc2kf
    @JoseDiaz-rc2kf 4 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    Hi, Can you do this test with the Kia Seltos 2.0 naturally aspirated all wheel drive with ivt transmission to see if heat affect also the transmission, great fan of your channel.

    • @sshrul
      @sshrul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yes I have 2020 Kona 2.0 AWD and l would like to see real world testing offloading. Why is no one doing that. Everyone is always testing the 1.6T dual clutch yes we know it over heats ....now test the 2.0.

    • @frederickmoller
      @frederickmoller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Jose, I agree that I'd like to know too, though I was very disappointed with the 7 speed dual clutch 'failure', we are still interested in buying a Seltos so we 'have to' know before we pass-off the Seltos and wait for Bronco Sport....as for the Mazda, we will 'never' buy one plain and simple.

    • @matthewgaines10
      @matthewgaines10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Since we all know how the Seltos 1.6T/AWD/DCT does, it would be great to see how much better the Seltos 2.0/AWD/IVT does.

    • @matthewgaines10
      @matthewgaines10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sshrul
      Press fleets tend to be dominated by higher trim models. There should be some other models available but I suspect the quantity is less.

    • @sshrul
      @sshrul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@matthewgaines10 yes you're right and I know, they give top of line vehicle out for these reviews. Some reviewers can go to there local dealers and request vehicles for testing. I'm starting to see more asking for a test review of the 2.0 AWD going through the same off roading test as the 1.6T. Ever review I've seen is the same overheating issue with the 1.6T, the engine type vehicles are the same except the 2.0 is not as fast as the 1.6T but let see the 2.0 AWD in the off roading test.

  • @downanddirty6899
    @downanddirty6899 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My wife brought the CX30 AWD and loves it. The DCT heating of the Seltos makes me glad we got the CX30, you get used to the buttons and systems and we were very happy with the 3 we had prior.

    • @KBizzy
      @KBizzy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah man. I just got a base model 2023 CX30 and it’s impressive for a base. I think the clearance is now 8” on the 2023. I’ve taken it on some normal dirt roads that have some ruts from rain and whatnot but nothing serious. It’s too… luxurious to do that really lol.

    • @hnnotyy
      @hnnotyy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      LOL all you need is the software upgrade and it will no longer overheat, this has been corrected. I have no issue using mine off road.

  • @TheSparker13
    @TheSparker13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Did y'all get a European version of the CX-30? You state several places that the ground clearance was 6.9 inches, but to cater to American tastes, Mazda added 27mm (roughly an inch) more ground clearance to the CX-30s sold here. The Mazda site also gives the ground clearance as 8 inches.

  • @rustymeyners8844
    @rustymeyners8844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video but I wish you would have shown the Seltos climbing that last rock after a cool-down. More importantly, since I have the EX, does anyone know of a video showing similar trials with the 2.0 IVT? Many videos show tests of the turbo/double-clutch off-road and hitting the wall when it over-heats but does the IVT do any better or worse?

  • @erickisel8668
    @erickisel8668 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for reminding me to buy a pickup truck when my lease on my Escape ends this summer...

  • @plainlybasic2300
    @plainlybasic2300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I called this the moment the Seltos came out, I hate DCTs. Everyone harps on CVT but at least they let you off road a little more. Dct's are great in sports cars, not a small SUV with AWD

    • @Robbie6298
      @Robbie6298 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Comparing a CVT to a DCT off road is like comparing Chlamydia to Gonorrhea. You don't want to live with either.

    • @plainlybasic2300
      @plainlybasic2300 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have a soft spot for Subaru, they get harped on alot for the CVT but it's perfectly fine for 90% of people, and it proves well off road still.

  • @kalebm9302
    @kalebm9302 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Why does no one test the 2.0L AWD with the IVT? Both this & the Kona 6-speed auto. Of course a dual-clutch is gonna burn up, it's not designed for off-roading lol..

    • @matthewgaines10
      @matthewgaines10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The Seltos doesn't have a 6 speed auto. It has a IVT (CVT) in the 2.0 equipped models.

    • @kalebm9302
      @kalebm9302 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@matthewgaines10 That's what I said, the 2.0L AWD with the IVT. I said *& the Kona 6-speed auto.*

    • @OrlandoSunBro
      @OrlandoSunBro 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Would you say that standard version (cheapest, no GT Line) would pass that step?

  • @kriskazecki6701
    @kriskazecki6701 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Would like to see an in depth on-road comparison review between these vehicles.

    • @davidgiles9751
      @davidgiles9751 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You mean a comparison of the kind of driving they were originally designed for... ;-) BTW, me too.

    • @SF-sp7rz
      @SF-sp7rz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same why would they make a video for something that its not intended to do?

  • @JunkAccumulator
    @JunkAccumulator 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was just wondering about a comparison between these two. Thanks for reading my mind.

  • @devilsrighthandman769
    @devilsrighthandman769 4 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    These two are as offroad capable as a Honda civic...
    Fun video though.

    • @JahirulHoque
      @JahirulHoque 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True. But i expected more from kia seltos.

    • @markmd9
      @markmd9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2-3 cm higher and even weak awd will get further than civic

  • @seanlance
    @seanlance ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've found that the center lock is best reserved for when you're stuck in the mud, snow or sand. Traction control is usually good enough for most light off-road activities.

  • @chrisa2223
    @chrisa2223 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The CX30 has a torsion-beam rear suspension, not independent like the Seltos.
    Would like to see how you’d evaluate them on-road. 0-60, ride quality etc.

    • @kdomster9141
      @kdomster9141 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      And it Will handle better than Kia 😂😉

    • @ahsanmalik1013
      @ahsanmalik1013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      k domster Not necessarily true as most people noticed handling being weak due to torsion beam. Mazda is leaning towards comfortable luxurious ride so handling may no longer be priority since consumers only care about ride control - not handling.

    • @kdomster9141
      @kdomster9141 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ahsanmalik1013 It is tuned in for more dialed in suspension set up...do more reading as new 3 handles better than old 3 with IRS

    • @BeanieNinjay0
      @BeanieNinjay0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Assuming a car has poor handling because it has a torsion beam setup is like assuming a car is fast because it’s turbocharged.

    • @richardtargett4128
      @richardtargett4128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Porsche 944, 968 and Peugeot 205 GTI all had torsion beam suspensions. All were great handling cars. Mazda’s engineers are amongst the industries best at designing excellent handling vehicles.

  • @JuniorJr_23
    @JuniorJr_23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just the cars I was thinking of buying. Thanks for the review guys!

  • @Doze320
    @Doze320 4 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Neither of those are "off-road" vehicles. If people buy either for that purpose, they're delusional.

    • @j.cm.9343
      @j.cm.9343 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      True... these are city vehicles and some very flat unpaved roads.

    • @nats50
      @nats50 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      True, but we're not talking about rocks and boulders, steep inclines kind of off road thing. You get the idea?

  • @GA-wq8xq
    @GA-wq8xq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Mazda wins again. Only 0.4 inch difference in ground clearance, nicer design and materials and no over heating.

  • @SuperPuggle
    @SuperPuggle 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a cx30 and it really is amazing off road

  • @dragone7e
    @dragone7e 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi TFL cars, I"m currently looking for a subcompact AWD suv and saw your off road review videos, they're very informative!
    I have a questions for you about Kia Seltos.
    You mentioned in this video and also in Hyundai Kona off road video that both of them has dual clutch transmission, which is not good for off-roading slowly.
    I'm wondering what about the lower trim "intelligent variable transmission" system, is it going to be better for AWD off-roading?
    Thanks and keep up the great work!

  • @texranger37
    @texranger37 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Would the Seltos’ transmission be less likely to overheat if you used the manual/sport shift mode? I am just wondering.

    • @sir_john_hammond
      @sir_john_hammond 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes. he also should have used the brake instead of putting all the pressure on the clutches every time he let off the gas. He's like duh, it's telling me to use my brake? But you see him rolling back anyway.

  • @NeoNoggie
    @NeoNoggie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like how rather than stopping him before crunching the front bumper of a press car, you continuously told him to come forward until it crunched, THEN had him stop.

    • @MLife1972
      @MLife1972 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He had already stopped safely. He deliberately made him scrape the chin to prove a point. Seemed silly to me.

  • @darvelbidenisapuppet7275
    @darvelbidenisapuppet7275 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for the videos. I noticed in the clips with 2 wheels off the ground you started the seltos at practically a stand still and with the Mazda it was rolled through starting with momentum ,this little difference is why the CX-30 looks so smoother at 11:50. Also the trans mission hi temp warning is not the transmission over heating, it is a safety feature to keep you from over heating the trans. With Hyundais power train warranty this alarm for the transmission is very conservatively set.

    • @hugopedraza5933
      @hugopedraza5933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No one will go off roading with both set of all season tires too.

    • @sir_john_hammond
      @sir_john_hammond 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I noticed that as well.

    • @sir_john_hammond
      @sir_john_hammond 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Curious though how do you know it's not overheating? Isn't it based off a heat sensor? Can you ignore it and just keep driving anyway? All I've heard everywhere is that you have to park the vehicle for 20 minutes.

    • @darvelbidenisapuppet7275
      @darvelbidenisapuppet7275 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@sir_john_hammond Hi John, ben driving it like I stole it now well over 2 years, no problems. I've have typed the trans temp regularly, never reste for the rans cool down I just hop right on the highway. This Seltose ages verry well. I'll be first to mention again if I can kill it under my slightly abusive use. Side note I am still running significantly heavier rubber than stock.

  • @Gold63Beast
    @Gold63Beast 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    7:55 that’s the perfect sound of a struggling transmission/ or one that’s about to go out. Wow

    • @austing4321
      @austing4321 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well it makes sense since it was actually struggling... I doubt it's gonna go out

  • @llcool3004
    @llcool3004 4 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Mazda been coming out with nice cars now....hope they keep it up.....stay safe ppl covid ain't no joke

    • @fakedazzleful
      @fakedazzleful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have covid and this shit suck. I feel bad for people with weak immune systems

    • @James-il3tq
      @James-il3tq 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah it's not a joke, it's fear mongering by media and governments. 0.2-0.5% mortality rate as per New York antibody testing. Basically a bad flu. Protect the elderly, nearly everyone else will be fine.

    • @austing4321
      @austing4321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@James-il3tq Thank you!!!

    • @SF-sp7rz
      @SF-sp7rz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@James-il3tq lies don't spread misinformation, you sound just like the lunatic we have for a president. You're probably one of those people that bring AK-47 to try to reopen the government.

    • @zoe7657
      @zoe7657 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@SF-sp7rz and you sound just as crazy... I think you are in the wrong chat.

  • @ryzen397
    @ryzen397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    these crossover offroad videos are great

  • @Se0what
    @Se0what 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Perfect! Literally looking at these two cars as my final choices

    • @matthewgaines10
      @matthewgaines10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you think you're going to need to take it this type of environment, get the 2.0/IVT/AWD Seltos combo or something else other than these two.
      Both are really for on road use primarily.

  • @sovelissfiremane
    @sovelissfiremane 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Before watching the video, I'd imagine the Seltos wouldn't do as well as the top trims have a dual-clutch auto and DCTs are generally meant more for being sporty and fun.

  • @xcmskim4
    @xcmskim4 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    if you read the owners manual of a Hyundai/Kia with DCT, you will find that there are a lot of precautions that you need to take. The DCT was never built for off-road but if Hyundai/Kia had a wet clutch transmission im pretty sure it wouldnt overheat. All Hyundai/Kia DCT are dry clutch so they are very limited with torque being strained.

    • @J-W.-
      @J-W.- 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think the new sonata DCT are wet clutch design which would be a heck of alot better.

    • @xcmskim4
      @xcmskim4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@J-W.- I believe that the 7 speed DCT are dry clutch and the new 8 speed DCT are wet clutch

    • @user-333kqw1pn2g
      @user-333kqw1pn2g 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@xcmskim4 veloster n is equipped with wet dct in korea. So does sorrento.

  • @vladvovchuk1555
    @vladvovchuk1555 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi guys, you are doing a great job .
    I've been watching few of your reviews , they are really interesting .
    I wonder if you can help me out to decide what car to buy -the Niro hybrid or the CX 30 .
    I'm looking for a practical family car .
    The Niro is very fuel efficient and the CX30 is awsome looking , what else can you tell about those 2 cars in comparison to each other?
    Thanks

  • @temur72
    @temur72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The Mazda looks far more expensive and powertrain should be cheaper to maintain. If I didn't need space for adults in the back it would be the one I would buy

  • @PVo-1111
    @PVo-1111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd love to see the Rav4 adventure or TRD offroad review instead of the hybrid rav4 that you guys already done. Maybe do a awd comparison for the crossovers this size for shoppers that torn between all these great sellers

    • @adi7795
      @adi7795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes this would be great to see
      Please

  • @betrandalifaldiansyah2939
    @betrandalifaldiansyah2939 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The weather condition and road condition during filming this really showing how pretty much dct in indonesia were failing like ford fiesta and eco sport...

    • @2010ngojo
      @2010ngojo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gotta know how to drive a dct. There are nuances and most people just don't know or bother to care.

  • @Joshuastem5622
    @Joshuastem5622 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    What a shame. The Dual clutch in the Kia really holds it back.

    • @ch6inre6ction11
      @ch6inre6ction11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thankfully Kia/Hyundai will be dropping the 7speed dry clutch dct for the much better designed 8speed wet clutch dct

    • @grimacemcccheese
      @grimacemcccheese 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ch6inre6ction11 I hope this 8 spd lasts much longer as well. Tfl needs to test the first 8 spd wet dct off-road they can get. They're the only auto journalist channel I'm aware that will reveal the limitations of transmissions during their testing.

    • @gonzalcala5
      @gonzalcala5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Driving a dct takes some adjusting. Most people will not want to learn how to drive it, which is why a wet clutch will be a good idea. I still believe the Seltos just does not like this guys driving.

    • @AIDAHAR210
      @AIDAHAR210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A 7 spd dct needs to be driven a specific way, similar to a regular transmission setup, not automatic

    • @JahirulHoque
      @JahirulHoque 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gonzalcala5 please suggest me how to drive dct in bumper to bumper traffic. I'll be really glad to know. TIA.

  • @jalakor
    @jalakor 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I’d say if you beefed up the suspension on either of these, they’d definitely hit off-road a bit better (I am biased towards the CX-30, like me some Mazda, so I think it’d do better due to it’s better horsepower).

  • @hungryhungryhummer
    @hungryhungryhummer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It wants you to step on the break because if not it tries to hold you on the hill by slipping the clutch and creating a ton of heat.

  • @bartb3990
    @bartb3990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "This one can can go over a rock"
    "This one can will go into a rock"
    I fount this so funny lol

  • @foxfff123123
    @foxfff123123 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perhaps they should offer a non DCT version of the seltos. I like it’s look and it appears to have the approach angles too. Maybe Kia could create something like a crosstreck inspired variant, minus the CVT.

  • @randymillsjr.1730
    @randymillsjr.1730 4 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Next get a mustang and a camaro for the off road test. Lol

    • @Jackinfla1591
      @Jackinfla1591 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Or how about a 4WD Challenger and Charger.. If you're going to test this type of vehicle, just try on snow covered streets, where 100% of the miles, a smart person would be actually driving.

  • @talltomtube
    @talltomtube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Kia's dual clutch is fine on road, but it has to slip the clutch too much off road to do crawling. That's why all the advertisement shows them going fast off road. No clutch slip, fully engaged in a gear and no overheating.

  • @giselleramos22
    @giselleramos22 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you test off road the kia seltos 2023 to see if they change the problem of warming?

  • @chiquitodaviii2913
    @chiquitodaviii2913 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @16:35 they're listening to SiriusXM Chill while they off road. I use it to set up the mood 😉

  • @Van-Hammer
    @Van-Hammer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Both will pass over any obstacle with ease - if that obstacle is a candy wrapper in the Walmart parking lot. Otherwise, great looking cars.

    • @RobertNES816
      @RobertNES816 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. They're not intended for this type of use at all. Most small SUVs aren't.

    • @SquallRinoa89
      @SquallRinoa89 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fugly cars..))

    • @socialdef3
      @socialdef3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SquallRinoa89 callate carajo

  • @ronladuke7235
    @ronladuke7235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    U can’t creep slow for long periods of time with a dual clutch transmission, think of slipping a manual transmission clutch for long periods of time, U have probably done damage to that clutch.

  • @b0neme
    @b0neme 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my '23 CX-30 has 8" of ground clearance. When was that changed?

  • @yazanbaddawi9683
    @yazanbaddawi9683 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice review, though sometimes I feel like they're just netpicking

    • @socialdef3
      @socialdef3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Welcome to the snowflake generation, where nothing is ever good enough!

  • @612scalietti
    @612scalietti 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Let's just drive small crossovers on road!
    Really love CX-30's design, but Seltos feels more like traditional SUV in terms of space, practicality and ground clearence😭👍🏻🤣

  • @mikyl-fo8rh
    @mikyl-fo8rh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Crossovers are between awd sports cars and awd suvs.
    They're basically able to transverse minor to moderate mud, snow, sand, and stones.

  • @grabow3958
    @grabow3958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Since when did a vehicle that malfunctions finish with the same score as a vehicle that performed flawlessly and exhibited superior traction? Neither of these vehicles are built for this purpose but the Mazda performed better. Next week let's see which one works best underwater!

  • @mikyl-fo8rh
    @mikyl-fo8rh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tip of the day:
    If you are going to rough country, get some rubber coil spring boosters from an autoparts store and insert them in seconds and get 1 or 2 inchers of added clearance.

  • @rogeurfrancois160
    @rogeurfrancois160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Seltos with the CVT would have done better. That's should be the next Seltos (CVT) test.

  • @anthonyc1883
    @anthonyc1883 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wow, how could the transmission be overheating at only 5:00? They're only driving on a dirt road!

    • @dknight211
      @dknight211 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      DCTs are not designed to slow crawl or so stop and go traffic. The transmission will experience a lot of slip and heat up quickly

    • @thivakarsaravanamuthu4744
      @thivakarsaravanamuthu4744 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dknight211 the seltos is a mall crawler it should be meant for stop and go traffic ?

    • @2010ngojo
      @2010ngojo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744
      It's a small, light, and nimble cuv. How is it a "mall crawler"?

    • @thivakarsaravanamuthu4744
      @thivakarsaravanamuthu4744 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@2010ngojo most of the people that are going to buy the seltos are normal car buyer which do alot of stop and go traffic. If the transmission heats up cause of the car going at slow speed how do you go shopping or to work with it ?

    • @2010ngojo
      @2010ngojo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744
      If you know how to drive a dct, you can avoid burning the clutch. Otherwise, people with manual transmission would have to replace the clutch more often as well. People driving it like a torque converter either didn't read the warnings, or just don't give a damn.

  • @camberwellcarrot420
    @camberwellcarrot420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The Kia should have a normal automatic and/or a 6-speed manual. There's no point to a DCT in a runabout.

    • @bikeislife8405
      @bikeislife8405 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Efficiency... A DCT offers the same 100% engagement as a manual with 2x the speed. A torque converter usually constitutes to power loss.

    • @gonzalcala5
      @gonzalcala5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@bikeislife8405 true dct gives more power and efficiency. What might really help is a wet clutch. ;)

    • @AIDAHAR210
      @AIDAHAR210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm a manual driver, but a good dct (not the crappy ones) offers better performance capabilities than typical manuals

    • @23dunmc
      @23dunmc 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      A I D A H A R 2 1 0 a good dct is infinitely better than a manual. 1000 times quicker engagement, and you don’t have to worry about reaction timing

    • @AIDAHAR210
      @AIDAHAR210 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@23dunmc good for drag strips and oval tracks, and its only twice or 3 times quicker. Only a CVT can be 1000 times quicker in "shifting", which got them banned from F1. If you're like me and just use car for daily driving stop & go traffics and "creeping", and occasional autocrossing, manual is a better

  • @skaught7289
    @skaught7289 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The videos of the lifted cars trying to go off-road are fun to watch. They remind me of my adolescent years when I would dent an oil pan or various exhaust components and get buried in sand to the frame. Rest in pieces Nissan Stanza, you went well above and beyond your off pavement capabilities and my takeaway from you, is that fwd does well on trails until it can’t no more.

  • @pierreitz3042
    @pierreitz3042 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great review guys. Just got my Seltos SX and I’m lovin’ it.

    • @SF-sp7rz
      @SF-sp7rz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2 questions for you 1 how is this a great review? 2. how do you like your new seltos? I'm thinking about getting one

  • @petekropf5335
    @petekropf5335 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be very interesting to take all the Ford "SUV" on the same test. Neat to see a comparrison for one make on all their models. Eco, Escape, Edge, Explorer md Expidition. Think it would be interesting to see as costs goes up, what effect does that have on its off road ability. Don't think anyone has even done that before and would provide a great benchmark against one companies full line.

  • @calvinstrikesagain
    @calvinstrikesagain 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The warning that you're seeing about breaking while crawling is a specific warning that the state thinks your trying to hold a position on an incline with the throttle, which *WILL* over heat the #1 clutch in the transmission. It's a specific coaching that the kind of low speed crawling that you're doing is bad for that transmission. DCTs are not suited for low speed crawling, period.

  • @ScotLucS
    @ScotLucS 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You gave the CX-30 a five or six foot rolling start, you did not do that with the Shelton!

  • @darvelbidenisapuppet7275
    @darvelbidenisapuppet7275 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just FYI, first 1500 miles I got that smell from just driving hard in the canyons in the seltos, never using the trans lock. I don't smell it any more like I used to. I am always smelling for it after hard traffic runs home from work, was thinking I might have the dealer check it out, im guessing is was just a new car thing. I had the same smell from driving hard in my BMW 528I

  • @bradg7373
    @bradg7373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Since I live in the NYC metro I don’t think I’ll need off road much except maybe to wash the car in my yard. I’ll go Mazda all the way

  • @JusticeGamingChannel
    @JusticeGamingChannel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why not test the CX-5 which has higher ground clearance?

    • @VizziMoto
      @VizziMoto 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably cause it’s in another class compared to the Seltos.

  • @rondail5675
    @rondail5675 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    DCT's are for sports cars.

    • @swanblake
      @swanblake 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This is a car. These are not SUVs

    • @darcychu9652
      @darcychu9652 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      DCT is for one-race only F1 racers.

    • @michaell2229
      @michaell2229 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And yet Honda uses DCTs on their ATVs and UTVs.

  • @zinc466
    @zinc466 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Should try the first gen Kia sorento as budget off roader

  • @justintrinh8766
    @justintrinh8766 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    AWD lock keeps AWD on until you hit 20mph. From a deadstop to launch, AWD should be automatically engaged, and then switches back to 2WD. That's what I have noticed in my Kona

  • @asablue9746
    @asablue9746 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The second video I've seen where the Seltos over heated. In the first video it took just fifty feet before overheating. After cooling down and starting again it overheated again just as fast. I was thinking about buying this car, NO WAY! The Jeep did a whole lot better in another mountain climbing video.
    Thank you,
    Great Video 👍

    • @nosvibes9786
      @nosvibes9786 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who compares a jeep to a kia 🤦‍♂️

    • @asablue9746
      @asablue9746 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nosvibes9786
      ⚔️ Apparently I didn't, but I was checking it out. What's in your wallet? Buy American if you can afford it... 🇺🇸 👍

  • @fabulousoffroaddesigns5080
    @fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mazda's trans is a clutch design too. It does have a torque converter though that only works in first gear only. Just enough change to make it reliable and efficient.

    • @matthewgaines10
      @matthewgaines10 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not exactly like a DCT transmission which uses its clutch all the time. The Mazda has a torque converter with a lock up clutch function which obviously would've have locked up in this situation. That generally happens at cruising speeds, not at starting off or in limited traction situations. Having a clutch doesn't mean it is actually being used. Torque converters lock up (use the clutch) under specific conditions.

  • @likemilfes
    @likemilfes 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool sunglasses, who makes them?

  • @sir_john_hammond
    @sir_john_hammond 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder how this test would have gone if you had used the Seltos in manual mode and kept it in first gear, and also used the brake instead of letting the vehicle roll back every time you let off the gas. You would have put much less load on the clutches.

  • @dhirajjdewan8069
    @dhirajjdewan8069 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really wish you guys can do a comparison between an 2021 Audi Q7 and BMW X5 in the off-roading challenge.... And a comparison of SQ5 and X3 (with the V6) in the off-roading comparison....

  • @matthewgaines10
    @matthewgaines10 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Seems like Kia hasn't made much change over the Kona. I would suggest taking the 2.0 AWD Seltos EX through the same test. It has a chain based CVT so it should do better in not overheating. It also has less power and torque so it may not necessarily do much better but I suspect it will be.
    Nice test. Thanks for doing it. It was educational and entertaining.

    • @hnnotyy
      @hnnotyy 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Once again after the software upgrade it no longer over heats. too bad these guy don't retest afterwards.

  • @ZenInnovations
    @ZenInnovations 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great adventure there. So the goldmine hill is back?

    • @jamesbeaman6337
      @jamesbeaman6337 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With goldmine hill now off limits, this is TFL's closest comparison to that trail.

  • @Strikedown2k
    @Strikedown2k 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It really is a shame that Subaru isn't interested in working with your team. While I know you have tested your long term outback off road and it was less than stellar. I'd be interested to see how the newer Outback XT with the supposedly beefier CVT handles these same mild tests.

    • @TomTom-gn9mp
      @TomTom-gn9mp 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is another channel of a guy that does just that but I can't think of the name.

    • @Painting_Inspiration
      @Painting_Inspiration ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomTom-gn9mp Driving Sports TV

    • @know916bound
      @know916bound ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Subaru is afraid 👀

  • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
    @4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That's a pity you don't have Suzuki there.

    • @4x4.tests.on.rollers
      @4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@devinbender8428 Yeap, if I remember well - the last Suzuki tested by TFL was SX4.

  • @EM.1.
    @EM.1. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Tommy knew from the Kona that there will be problems with the dual clutch. Nothing new with the KIA.

  • @arthurgadz646
    @arthurgadz646 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was surprised that cx30 performed better on the test as it seems the seltos is built for some off roading..

  • @chadwitt
    @chadwitt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A couple of corrections: First, the North American version of the CX-30 has 8.0” of ground clearance, not 6.9” as in other regions like Europe. And second, it does not have an all-independent suspension as you claimed. The rear axle has a torsion beam suspension. That’s said, I enjoyed this video, so thanks!

    • @modmatt1
      @modmatt1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      While your point on the rear suspension design is true and needs to be corrected, MazdaUSA's site does specify 6.9" of ground clearance. Is Mazda's own site incorrect? See www.mazdausa.com/vehicles/cx-30/compare-vehicle-specs-and-trims

    • @chadwitt
      @chadwitt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      modmatt1, it looks like Mazda’s own website was wrong. I noticed it did recently show 6.9” on the link you sent (even though it used to say 7.9” a while back and in all the press reviews), and just today I looked again and it now says 8.0”! You can tell the North American version of the car is lifted higher than the one in Europe and other markets-there’s an awkwardly large amount of empty space between the top of the tires and the fenders/wheelwells. I actually think the European version looks sleeker and more balanced, but the extra ground clearance we get is a nice feature for those who need it. It would be cool if they offered us a sport version with the lower suspension height of the Euro-spec cars.

    • @modmatt1
      @modmatt1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chadwitt Very cool! I need that extra height for getting out of my driveway and the streets due to how they plow snow here locally (only one lane) and plow in the driveways. Now if only I could get a "Select" in manual (with a sunroof option) please...

    • @chadwitt
      @chadwitt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      modmatt1 I agree. I’m so bummed they aren’t offering it with a manual transmission (I haven’t owned an automatic in my nearly 30 years of driving!). Also, I really wish Mazda offered moonroofs as an option on lower trim levels like they used to. Both my previous ‘99 Protege LX and my current ‘09 Mazda3 Sport hatchback have had moonroofs but not all the other features I don’t really care about.

  • @mattmers
    @mattmers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Seltos is so good looking but the ground clearance and transmission is just a let down. I recently made a list of Off road crossovers to compare against the bronco sport and just could not include the Seltos because of this.