@@Lronhoyabembecounter argument: a good simulator is customizable to the user’s needs and wants and at the same time still provides an enjoyable realistic experience at the end of the day
@@Lronhoyabembe Sims don't have to be as restrictive as you're putting it... Everyone has different preferences, and forcing them to do something they don't want or like to do isn't a good idea.
You're not really understanding what I'm getting at here...@@Lronhoyabembe Assetto Corsa is marketed as a sim becauae of its physics, and the GUI apps are there to show you information while you race, like lap times, tire info or other vital things that might not be visible in certain cars (Road cars and classic racers don't have that kind of info available on the dashboard, so UI apps can be helpful for them)
@@clues32 A good simulator as you like to call RBR actually has realistic sliding physics... and you should play EA WRC because the powerslide physics are way more realistic... the car has weight in EA WRC which stops the excessive slide just like in real life... also you can powerslide based on throttle management and going into corners with a lot of speed which is also realistic... so combine this with the 2023 graphics, immersion, better multiplayer, a good career mode and actually real roads as stages and the answer is simple... you still play RBR because you're a snobby hipster that wants to advertize that he's "better"... But whatever... RBR fanboys are literally a cult... they have decided that RBR is reality no matter what and whenever another game exists they take out the pitchforks...
The stages in RBR (this one is a really good exemple) feel so much more realistic, especially the road surfices. Oh and idk how, but the 2d, stil spectators somehow feel more alive the the zombie-like abominations in the new WRC game..
I actually thought the same thing about the 2D still spectators. lol, When you are flying by they totally do the job, and it feels like there's a crowd gathered.
RBR's got a certain , "visual consistency" that allows it to still look "real" compared to every single game today that tries to look photoreallistic , i can't really put my finger on why that is , but sometime less is more. Like Gran Turismo 3 , it still looks real good today despite not being a photorealistic game
Artistic direction. RBR lacks graphics fidelity, but has a very natural and beautiful “vibe”. Snowy stages with bad weather feel 10x more immersive than Dirt Rally or EA Wrc, the sky colors and grey haze are just perfect.
RBR was already old when I first played it, so I am not even coloured by nostalgia. This game is just unmatched in any other rally game I've seen or played. _Now_ it gives me nostalgia because I haven't played it in years. I'd always watch the replays and it felt by far the closest to watching the real thing. The cameras, and that feeling of out-of-control speed and danger... I haven't seen done better in any game. Just goes to show that you can throw all the money you want at something at it won't guarantee a good product. On the other hand, a small team of passionate devs who have a clear vision, knowledge, and understanding of the physics of what they are trying to create... that's where you get something special.
@@fluxahelmito be fair rbr looks 100x times worse and the physics are not really that bad. They just aren't as realistic as rbr, which doesn't make it worse. It's nice to just actually complete stages sometimes instead of just crashing all the time
This is one of most realistic stages. You feel every hole on the road, every rock, every difference in elevation between road and gras. Just insane details. I've been watching EA WRC videos, looks nice and fun, but its not realistic. No difference between grass, rocks dont exist literally, everything is just smooth non stop. In RBR u just feel everything trough wheel, and it like in real life. There are a lot of "side by side" videos of RBR vs REAL LIFE runs, and u can actually see that acelleration, braking, physics, shifting is EXACTLY THE SAME like in real life runs, which is mind blowing. Graphics are outdated, but man gameplay and feeling is just on anothere level...
Haha, funny thing is that I first got into rbr because of the graphics. You put some ReShade on it and it looks exactly like real onboard videos. I was stunned to say the least.
Your information is FALSE. - EA WRC has road degradation.May what you seen on YT is a "Time trial" where alll of them set to OFF to let the environment same for all the competitors to give same chance Championship is another story. - FFB is superb, you can FEEL the fifference on every stone or patch or gravels . FFB gives you more information about the surfaces - EA WRC stages based on GPS data, you can also find IRL comparison videos I'm still playing RBR after few thounsands of hours but i can confirm EA WRC since 1.3 is well made
New to rally and I went through the pain of installing with modern hardware. After many hours in EA WRC then returning to RBR, I can see the appeal. Thanks for sharing your video, maybe I'll see you in a rally soon. Cheers!
Generations is not a good rally game sorry. If you brake on a cattle grid your car will do a front flip. The game spawns broken down cars in the middle of the road, ruining your stage time. And not to mention the catastrophic throttle pedal bug. If you want a WRC game, 9 or 10 is better.
Or. You're allowed to play both and people being excited about one doesn't mean you're not allowed to play or appreciate the other. I'm not sure why this concept is so hard to understand.
I play both too. 🤷♂It is totally fine to only like on or the other but this level of fanboyism and toxicity to anything that isn't RBR in the RBR "community" is definitely a detriment to an already extremely niche hobby. It's not healthy. Its a GARANTEE we will never get a modern "proper" rally sim when all the RBR-bots flame everything that ever comes out that isn't RBR.
Yeah RBR is still king for me, the cars feel much better and I enjoy the 200-300fps on triple screen over 60fps in WRC. I do like nice graphics but not at the cost of decent frame rate.
It is and willforever be a gem! So reakistic ! My fav part was how realistic the water displcement was! So realistic that it made it feel real! Love this rally game! Even now, with the tech they jave, the games are waay behind RBR!
If you’ve driven a car you’ve wished you could toss it around at speed. Rbr gives you the chance to simulate that. Dirt rally 2 while I love it for the approximation of real life is more like driving a forklift where the wheels are in the back.
Why? Because racing games are a niche within video games. Simracing is a niche within racing games. Simrally is a niche within simracing. Fact of the matter is, making a TRUE simulator is not only difficult, it appeals to a pretty small market. Major video game companies today have incredibly high demands for how much a title has to earn over its life. It's one reason why all the best simulators like Assetto Corsa, rFactor, RBR, Automobilista, et. al. started from smaller outfits filled with enthusiasts. We'll never get a true simulator of any kind from companies like EA/Codemasters today. Just isn't going to happen. My one hope of the future kind of lies in the upcoming Assetto Corsa 2. If it also happens to also have some really good dirt physics and it continues to be as moddable as AC1 is today, Kunos could position themselves as the absolute simracing (tarmac or dirt) title on the market, only ceding some ground to titles like iRacing for something like online and ranking systems. I seriously doubt this is actually going to happen, but I gotta hope.
Agree. Hey bros, may I ask I finished a stage with medium damage (camber, toe, some body, even I can't change gear...) and I tried to finish the stage. Then without repair, I start the next leg, then it seems the car's easier controlling than previous stage. How would that be? Any info or something like autofix behind the scene?
I haven't had a nice experience with this game yet. It feels like the car is gliding on the road and it feels really slow even though the speed meter says I'm going ~170km/h
I was watching a review aboout ea wrc (the person has played and likes richard burns rally as well as the other rally games.) The guy was saying that ea wrc has worse physics than dirt rally 2.0
.... not DR2.0? Is physics much worse? Or for other reasons? WRC2 racer Nikolay Gryazin ·Answer @NGryazin 5 months ago DR2.0 is more like an arcade game in terms of physics. 2.0 Cool in terms of schedule and number of participants. But if you really want to develop your rallying skills etc, I found DR2.0 to be unsuitable
For me, is the raw stages, even in the base game. Stages that the actual era of rally will ever have again (for safety reasons, I believe). This reason makes me love games like this, V-rally 4 and the old PS2 rally games. I think this way: For games, the European Rally Championship has more fun stages. EA... I want this!
I wrc ea i have the feeling that im only driving the front wheels like there is no back of the car.. to be onhest i like the old wrc games like wrc 10. I will give rbr a go when im not bussy with ac and acc
Because is the best rallye game. Electronic arts could copy many good things of this game or mod , however they prefer add a option to create a fictional car. It is stupid. For example: I love in RBR can see like fences broken, can change notes, can feel dirty corners, save replays etc etc.....
It is the same for others games particularly racing games. The old games are clearly more immersive and so many mods made with passion. Today you pay pay pay for juste a little fun and you change your game for another almost every year...
i was playing RBR and then i tried ea WRC and loved it ! it is sooo much better if you drive on wet tarmac; the Yaris is also much faster than the subaru
real answer: because a community of hundreds of PASSIONATE modders on their freetime will always be stronger than a dev team of people who dont necessarily even care much about rallying, working for salary under deadlines and corporate suits breathing down their necks. sure they can scan some great looking and sounding car models which is cool and make a decent game in general, but they would never go to this extent in detail on stage accuracy and other details. there isnt that level of passion and/or the time and resource to do it. EA WRC in particular is such an obviously rushed release.
Both RBR and AC, (assetto corsa) were built before modern super multi core CPUs and super GPUs. Modern games are graphics, graphics, graphics. The first sims were designed for game play and physics. Lets be honest year after year each new rally sim is the same cars over and over, the same special stages over and over. Selling a so called new season which could have been a minor update. Smoke and mirrors. Both RBR ana AC have an extended life do to the moding community. Most for the love of the game not milking it for money. The moding community are creating what they would like to see, as fellow gamers, little things they feel are missing.
I started RBR because DiRT Rally 2.0's physics are completely unplayable. Probably the worst physics in any game I've ever played. Thankfully, EA WRC is actually decent. Physics feel like a dumbed down version of NGP, which does not make it an inferior product overall, just a valid alternative that has more focus on singleplayer. It's nice having more than one game
Hmm, I'm surprised to read this. Because my impression of the physics in EA WRC is that it feels like DR2.0 with more grip. How you can find EA WRC is reminiscent of RBR's handling blows my mind. RBR unless you load your front wheels you have little to no grip. In EA WRC you have to fight the car for it to get into a drift, and the car starts fighting you because it feels like it hates being in a drift and will recover to grip instantly if you aren't pushing it to the max and beyond. If anything WRCG has handling that has more similarities with RBR than EA WRC or DR2.0.
@@MedievalRally to put it simply I drive in EA WRC the same way I drive in RBR and I’m equally competitive at both. In DR 2.0 I had to pretend I was controlling a car that’s 2M ahead of my car and I still couldn’t make sense of any of the car’s movement. It seemed to strafe sideways independently . The underlying design may be completely different but my inputs are the same in RBR and EAWRC but WRC is more forgiving. I can’t speak to WRCG since I had to refund it as it kept losing my T300 for some reason. Buggy buggy mess
@@CobraAce04 Yeah WRCG had a bad launch for peripheral support, and a few other things. It's mostly ironed out now. If you see it on special give it a shot. But yeah, I'm literally blown away by your reply. To make a rather harsh analogy. In DR2.0 & EA WRC I feel like I'm driving a tank, and if I don't use the handbrake very aggressively I find it's way too hard to sustain a drift in a long hairpin or turn. The car just always snaps back to grip. And if I try to keep my handling of RBR applied, I'll find myself constantly over counter steering, simply because the car recovers way too quickly. So if it's recovering while I'm counter steering it just throws me off the racing line.
@@MedievalRally I agree with the tank analogy actually. That’s what I mean by dumbed down. The car is too rigid in WRC but I like to underdrive and apex even on dirt so it suits me. I feel like at the very least EA and RBR are 2 different interpretations of a car. DR2.0 feels like I’m driving a floating hover chariot being pulled by an invisible horse
@@CobraAce04 It's actually really great to hear feeback like this from other drivers. Physics seems to be a sometimes divisive topic where it's probably due to there are some preferences at play. I mean, it's not like we have all these Rally games to chose from. And can get picky. I liked what you said about it being 'different interpretations of a car'. Because that's how I've started seeing after jumping through the few games we have available. They all have their own quirk, and I guess it's a question of finding the one that best suits your driving style. And ultimate that provides you with fun. :) Have a great day!
Can enjoy both games, it’s a shame that there is no other rally game out there just Like rbr but with Better graphics. To be honest the career in rbr is not that great it’s to simple because of its age … something like in ea wrc would be enough with a bit more effort if you won the championship like back in the day with the Colin Mc rare series… 2.0 from ps1 3 04 05 .. all great games, why aren’t there more rally games out there anymore, It kills a little bit the fun in rbr, I would wish somebody would do something like this with a newer title .. maybe the bad wrc Titels from KT could need an overhaul, Handlingwise at least .. and physics in general
The graphics argument is also a bit the same. In RBR, if your objective is to get podium, you have no spare focus or time to admire graphics lol. You wouldn't be able to car even if it was there.
I like EA WRC. But the physics are not even near as good as RBR. I had the same feeling after I bought Automobilista 2. I thought it's decent and nice but then I went back to Assetto Corsa anyway. Newer is not always better.
You should try the F1 cars in Automobilista 1, that is the best I ever tried. Too bad it's quite dated now, there are quite a bit of mods and fan made tracks. But the feel, oh boy it is lovely with sick sound to back it up.
@@messiahshow Oh sure. That's why I bought it in first place. It is good. But when you have AC properly set up, it's even better. Trust me. But when you build a season in AC you absolutely HAVE to have all proper settings, proper tracks (with good ai) and everything 100%. AC can have slow ai tracks and bad cars which absolutely ruin the experience. It's very delicate package. But something like RSS 1990 and ASR 1991 are amazing with proper track packs. Check my channel. I have uploaded some AC F1 videos there. Cheers.
@@detonator2112 Cool so you're saying F1 is even better in AC? Sound wise as well because I get a hard on from the F1 sound in AMS 1, not sure how the sounddesigner screwed it up so much in AMS2 but he did, he cleaned up the audio too much, removed all these raw bells and whistles that bring immersion. Thank you for the tip, I need to look deeper into AC, I know a friend have always been on me about the grandeur of AC and it's mods. Just never had the energy to dig into it especially since I don't have a simrig yet but I'm about to get one very soon.
@@messiahshow Some of my videos have all the links that you need in the video description. If you need something let me know. Good luck. PS: The biggest advantage of AC (to me) is that the F1 cars are not "floaty". That's how they feel on AMS2. Don't get me wrong AMS2 is a great sim. Also it can have something to do what you've been used to. I play AMS2 occasionally but I've had some insanely challenging and memorable seasons on AC.
idont play becase its not in ps5.and of course cant mod console games.best rally game ever made for sure but its too old for my taste. new stages look awesome good for 21years old game i have to say that...but it has not multiplayer build inside the game so idont want to use rallyesim or etc.but awesome memories with this game..i hope that rbr 2 is coming someday from rbr developers. maybe its called craig breen rally.come on warthog gather together!
It's a simple answer... EA Sports aka corrupted Codemasters ruined the rally game so the new WRC game with broken handling is comparable only to Mario Kart on Nintendo that's all.
The only stage made ever for RBR which is acceptable how it looks... I really like it I'm playing RBR since the beginning and i am surprised how good is the handling of the EA WRC (on gravel). If you know how to set up your cars well, most of them feels natural , predictable, realistic. Locking the wheel isn't working well - may it is a bug and devs will fix it later
THANK YOU... finally someone that gets it... EA WRC has extremely realistic handling, espetially on gravel... but you need to set up your fucking car well to be aggressive but not over-aggressive and at the same time, newsflash... you need to know how to drive a rally car and not drive too slow or drive like you're driving a normal road car... which 99% of the people even in this comment section I am sure have no clue how to do... People just think that rally cars should be destroyed, flipped over and be uncontrollable all the time because you need to "fight the car" to be realistic... FUCK NO!!!! If you needed to fight the car all day real life drivers would never finish a fucking event!!!
With little ego? Guys really... spend more time in settings... Cars doesnt behave like in RBR. its harder than normal to control a car which is good for people with little ego. I don't see any advantage if you have high-end pc and sim gear. Otherwise I undestand. I like RBR but.... it's not superior over something else.
Well, yes. But some people is saying that EA WRC has more realistic physics than RBR, which is definitely not true. Most importantly, grip is extremely high in the game. The usual argument, that the real Rally1 and WRC cars are "insanely grippy", can't be used here. Watching a few real onboards with a good camera location and FOV is enough to realize how much slower the real cars are, and how less grippy. The Dirt Rally games, which includes EA WRC, even have a gimmick which makes the car lose a lot of speed/inertia right when you put it sideways. The real cars slide endlessly when the drivers fail to deliver the timings correctly during a slide - bad rotation, bad balance, throttle applied in the wrong moment or wrong amount. In the DR/EA WRC games sliding and staying on the road is way easier.
Really good handling? You realise you talking about a game where you basically have no function for the handbrake, because the cars have such ridiculous handling and grip?
I agree, Fanboys need to understand settings... I don't feel too much grip and talking about real cars... For me it feels like a real car which I am driving almost every day like most of us... Proper FFB, bass shakers. If somebody is not psychologically related with RBR... I think most of people would say it's similar actually but with shitty anti-immersion everything else than FFB.
EA WRC has maps made by AI.. they look nothing like the places they are trying to be. because RBR and the RBR modding community is by people who cares, it acutally look like the place.
I have a 4080 and still boot up RBR. I'm really enjoying EA WRC, but there's still number of major things about it that just irritate the hell out of me.
Hmmmm, physics based on 2004 technologies +mods made by amateurs, vs physics based on 2023 technologies, tuned by guys with 20 years programming and rally games experience, and who has full contact and feedback from real wrc drivers? 🤔🤔🤔
Because codmaster never tried to make a real rally simulator. Their goal is sell many game as they can so they persue arcade for profit. And Real rally driver said RBR is the most realistic rally sim. He said it before EA WRC but EA WRC seems even worse than DR 2.0 physics.
You are comparing attempt to make game as realistic as possible vs making simcade, kinda realistic but enjoyable for casual gamer. That's why 2004 vs 2023 comparision is stupid.
Be carefull.... People don't like to hear the truth :D. I agree. Its like boxing fans pretending they know how it is to fight with FURY. :D No offence. I prefer new WRC and I am very suprised by that. It just feels right to me and give me a lot of fun. Somehow. But I am not hardcore Rally fan to be honest. So with no offence again. :)
I had that impression before I tried it. But trust me. The sensation of speed, and the most detailed FFB you've ever felt will make you not care that the graphics are from another generation. The road surfaces my guy. Be it gravel with sudden deep ruts, or weird camber, and constant little dips and bumps, like the road was made years ago. Not like it was freshly bulldozed. And then the craziest tarmac surfaces you've ever felt. You can alsmost feel every patch of tarmac in these half repaired & patched up roads. Nothing can beat that for now.
It's a proper simulator. And it can be seen just by watching some videos. The car just moves so naturally, no exaggearations.
@@Lronhoyabembecounter argument: a good simulator is customizable to the user’s needs and wants and at the same time still provides an enjoyable realistic experience at the end of the day
@@Lronhoyabembe Sims don't have to be as restrictive as you're putting it... Everyone has different preferences, and forcing them to do something they don't want or like to do isn't a good idea.
"proper sim" 😂😂
You're not really understanding what I'm getting at here...@@Lronhoyabembe Assetto Corsa is marketed as a sim becauae of its physics, and the GUI apps are there to show you information while you race, like lap times, tire info or other vital things that might not be visible in certain cars (Road cars and classic racers don't have that kind of info available on the dashboard, so UI apps can be helpful for them)
@@clues32 A good simulator as you like to call RBR actually has realistic sliding physics... and you should play EA WRC because the powerslide physics are way more realistic... the car has weight in EA WRC which stops the excessive slide just like in real life... also you can powerslide based on throttle management and going into corners with a lot of speed which is also realistic...
so combine this with the 2023 graphics, immersion, better multiplayer, a good career mode and actually real roads as stages and the answer is simple... you still play RBR because you're a snobby hipster that wants to advertize that he's "better"...
But whatever... RBR fanboys are literally a cult... they have decided that RBR is reality no matter what and whenever another game exists they take out the pitchforks...
The stages in RBR (this one is a really good exemple) feel so much more realistic, especially the road surfices. Oh and idk how, but the 2d, stil spectators somehow feel more alive the the zombie-like abominations in the new WRC game..
I actually thought the same thing about the 2D still spectators. lol, When you are flying by they totally do the job, and it feels like there's a crowd gathered.
RBR's got a certain , "visual consistency" that allows it to still look "real" compared to every single game today that tries to look photoreallistic , i can't really put my finger on why that is , but sometime less is more.
Like Gran Turismo 3 , it still looks real good today despite not being a photorealistic game
Artistic direction. RBR lacks graphics fidelity, but has a very natural and beautiful “vibe”. Snowy stages with bad weather feel 10x more immersive than Dirt Rally or EA Wrc, the sky colors and grey haze are just perfect.
RBR was already old when I first played it, so I am not even coloured by nostalgia. This game is just unmatched in any other rally game I've seen or played. _Now_ it gives me nostalgia because I haven't played it in years. I'd always watch the replays and it felt by far the closest to watching the real thing. The cameras, and that feeling of out-of-control speed and danger... I haven't seen done better in any game. Just goes to show that you can throw all the money you want at something at it won't guarantee a good product. On the other hand, a small team of passionate devs who have a clear vision, knowledge, and understanding of the physics of what they are trying to create... that's where you get something special.
preach 🙌
tfw you realise all the cars physics and the most modern physics system (NGP7) are the work of one guy
WRC 23’ is fun. It doesn’t replace RBR, but it’s something fun to do between my RBR championship events.
WRC graphic is ugly, physics are bad, performance is horrible(stuttering) for me not playable, and NOT FUN! lucky to got a refund.
@@fluxahelmito be fair rbr looks 100x times worse and the physics are not really that bad. They just aren't as realistic as rbr, which doesn't make it worse. It's nice to just actually complete stages sometimes instead of just crashing all the time
This is one of most realistic stages. You feel every hole on the road, every rock, every difference in elevation between road and gras. Just insane details. I've been watching EA WRC videos, looks nice and fun, but its not realistic. No difference between grass, rocks dont exist literally, everything is just smooth non stop. In RBR u just feel everything trough wheel, and it like in real life. There are a lot of "side by side" videos of RBR vs REAL LIFE runs, and u can actually see that acelleration, braking, physics, shifting is EXACTLY THE SAME like in real life runs, which is mind blowing. Graphics are outdated, but man gameplay and feeling is just on anothere level...
EXACTLY
Haha, funny thing is that I first got into rbr because of the graphics. You put some ReShade on it and it looks exactly like real onboard videos. I was stunned to say the least.
Your information is FALSE.
- EA WRC has road degradation.May what you seen on YT is a "Time trial" where alll of them set to OFF to let the environment same for all the competitors to give same chance
Championship is another story.
- FFB is superb, you can FEEL the fifference on every stone or patch or gravels . FFB gives you more information about the surfaces
- EA WRC stages based on GPS data, you can also find IRL comparison videos
I'm still playing RBR after few thounsands of hours but i can confirm EA WRC since 1.3 is well made
What stage is this?
@@mortorv2030 I believe it's Peklo in Slovakia.
New to rally and I went through the pain of installing with modern hardware. After many hours in EA WRC then returning to RBR, I can see the appeal. Thanks for sharing your video, maybe I'll see you in a rally soon. Cheers!
It's good to have few rally games. RBR, EAWRC, DR2.0, Generations. All have some pros and some cons.
Generations is not a good rally game sorry. If you brake on a cattle grid your car will do a front flip. The game spawns broken down cars in the middle of the road, ruining your stage time. And not to mention the catastrophic throttle pedal bug. If you want a WRC game, 9 or 10 is better.
@@potatogirlcultist19 you can turn down random events and you will not have broken cars on road
@@potatogirlcultist19 WRCG handling is more relatable to RBR than EA WRC or DR2.0 ever have been.
@@MedievalRally WRCG's handling is anything but not real and far, far away to RBR
@@mesasartworks Thats fine. But where ever WRCG stands EA WRC is a bit further away. Whichever way you want to see it.
Or. You're allowed to play both and people being excited about one doesn't mean you're not allowed to play or appreciate the other. I'm not sure why this concept is so hard to understand.
I play both too. 🤷♂It is totally fine to only like on or the other but this level of fanboyism and toxicity to anything that isn't RBR in the RBR "community" is definitely a detriment to an already extremely niche hobby. It's not healthy. Its a GARANTEE we will never get a modern "proper" rally sim when all the RBR-bots flame everything that ever comes out that isn't RBR.
Yeah RBR is still king for me, the cars feel much better and I enjoy the 200-300fps on triple screen over 60fps in WRC. I do like nice graphics but not at the cost of decent frame rate.
current hdmi protocols can't handle 200-300 hz at triple screen as i know
As if WRC 23 has good graphics to begin with
@@Protato666 Compared to this crap???? Really now???
@@nikosfotidas8543 Go clean your filthy eyes.
my favorite part about rbr is that it's literally easier to run than counter strike source
It is and willforever be a gem! So reakistic ! My fav part was how realistic the water displcement was! So realistic that it made it feel real! Love this rally game! Even now, with the tech they jave, the games are waay behind RBR!
If you’ve driven a car you’ve wished you could toss it around at speed. Rbr gives you the chance to simulate that. Dirt rally 2 while I love it for the approximation of real life is more like driving a forklift where the wheels are in the back.
Bullshit
@@DropkickNation what's bullshit?
I don’t get what’s so hard about bringing this sort of quality into 2023 games.
Why? Because racing games are a niche within video games. Simracing is a niche within racing games. Simrally is a niche within simracing. Fact of the matter is, making a TRUE simulator is not only difficult, it appeals to a pretty small market. Major video game companies today have incredibly high demands for how much a title has to earn over its life. It's one reason why all the best simulators like Assetto Corsa, rFactor, RBR, Automobilista, et. al. started from smaller outfits filled with enthusiasts.
We'll never get a true simulator of any kind from companies like EA/Codemasters today. Just isn't going to happen. My one hope of the future kind of lies in the upcoming Assetto Corsa 2. If it also happens to also have some really good dirt physics and it continues to be as moddable as AC1 is today, Kunos could position themselves as the absolute simracing (tarmac or dirt) title on the market, only ceding some ground to titles like iRacing for something like online and ranking systems. I seriously doubt this is actually going to happen, but I gotta hope.
Agree. Hey bros, may I ask I finished a stage with medium damage (camber, toe, some body, even I can't change gear...) and I tried to finish the stage. Then without repair, I start the next leg, then it seems the car's easier controlling than previous stage. How would that be? Any info or something like autofix behind the scene?
Great run!
I think the simplest answer is “because it’s good”
hey I remember this track on dirt rally! A masterpiece
where the codriver sound came from?
a masterpiece that will remain in history. the simulator of the future will be RBR with P.S. of WRC
Both games have fun and immersive experiences in the end of the day I personally enjoy both
what camera FOV is this?
I haven't had a nice experience with this game yet. It feels like the car is gliding on the road and it feels really slow even though the speed meter says I'm going ~170km/h
I was watching a review aboout ea wrc (the person has played and likes richard burns rally as well as the other rally games.) The guy was saying that ea wrc has worse physics than dirt rally 2.0
.... not DR2.0? Is physics much worse? Or for other reasons?
WRC2 racer Nikolay Gryazin
·Answer
@NGryazin 5 months ago
DR2.0 is more like an arcade game in terms of physics. 2.0 Cool in terms of schedule and number of participants. But if you really want to develop your rallying skills etc, I found DR2.0 to be unsuitable
no it doesnt
For me, is the raw stages, even in the base game. Stages that the actual era of rally will ever have again (for safety reasons, I believe). This reason makes me love games like this, V-rally 4 and the old PS2 rally games. I think this way: For games, the European Rally Championship has more fun stages. EA... I want this!
Nice co-driver. How do I get that mod?
I wrc ea i have the feeling that im only driving the front wheels like there is no back of the car.. to be onhest i like the old wrc games like wrc 10. I will give rbr a go when im not bussy with ac and acc
Because is the best rallye game. Electronic arts could copy many good things of this game or mod , however they prefer add a option to create a fictional car. It is stupid.
For example: I love in RBR can see like fences broken, can change notes, can feel dirty corners, save replays etc etc.....
Can anyone tell me the name of this stage?? Looks Mega :D
Nice VR performance! , I play it with Quest 2 with medium hardware specs with no problem, the inmersion is super-B.
New RBR Pro only Irish co-driver coming soon... I'd love you to try it out!
When is this Irish co driver coming please?
It is the same for others games particularly racing games. The old games are clearly more immersive and so many mods made with passion. Today you pay pay pay for juste a little fun and you change your game for another almost every year...
because of no stuttering, and I do love EA Sports WRC, but damn it still needs to be optimized!
i was playing RBR and then i tried ea WRC and loved it ! it is sooo much better if you drive on wet tarmac; the Yaris is also much faster than the subaru
Rbr pro or rsf?
real answer: because a community of hundreds of PASSIONATE modders on their freetime will always be stronger than a dev team of people who dont necessarily even care much about rallying, working for salary under deadlines and corporate suits breathing down their necks.
sure they can scan some great looking and sounding car models which is cool and make a decent game in general, but they would never go to this extent in detail on stage accuracy and other details. there isnt that level of passion and/or the time and resource to do it. EA WRC in particular is such an obviously rushed release.
Both RBR and AC, (assetto corsa) were built before modern super multi core CPUs and super GPUs. Modern games are graphics, graphics, graphics. The first sims were designed for game play and physics. Lets be honest year after year each new rally sim is the same cars over and over, the same special stages over and over. Selling a so called new season which could have been a minor update. Smoke and mirrors. Both RBR ana AC have an extended life do to the moding community. Most for the love of the game not milking it for money. The moding community are creating what they would like to see, as fellow gamers, little things they feel are missing.
EA WRC is great and I played it many hours since release.
But RBR is still better. It just feels like actually driving a car.
It already has VR implementation.
Still play RBR after WRC 23?? This game will be played (and modified) by sim enthusiasts even after WRC 30 :)
Dirt Rally and EA WRC are arcade games. WRC Generations and RBR are simulations.
long live rsf rbr
What do you recommend as best version of RBR? What mods i need to install?
Rallysimfans plugin. Includes all necessary mods, much stages + online rallies.
RBR Hu
Agree. Still better.
Nice, it's RSF RBR? Whats whis track?
Best rally game these is!
I have not seen one curve in EA WRC 23 in which you can see a cutting, the road and surface details are just so bad in this new game.
up.
im waiting for fsr3 for ea wrc
Because of physics and car handling.
I started RBR because DiRT Rally 2.0's physics are completely unplayable. Probably the worst physics in any game I've ever played.
Thankfully, EA WRC is actually decent. Physics feel like a dumbed down version of NGP, which does not make it an inferior product overall, just a valid alternative that has more focus on singleplayer.
It's nice having more than one game
Hmm, I'm surprised to read this. Because my impression of the physics in EA WRC is that it feels like DR2.0 with more grip. How you can find EA WRC is reminiscent of RBR's handling blows my mind. RBR unless you load your front wheels you have little to no grip. In EA WRC you have to fight the car for it to get into a drift, and the car starts fighting you because it feels like it hates being in a drift and will recover to grip instantly if you aren't pushing it to the max and beyond.
If anything WRCG has handling that has more similarities with RBR than EA WRC or DR2.0.
@@MedievalRally to put it simply I drive in EA WRC the same way I drive in RBR and I’m equally competitive at both. In DR 2.0 I had to pretend I was controlling a car that’s 2M ahead of my car and I still couldn’t make sense of any of the car’s movement. It seemed to strafe sideways independently
. The underlying design may be completely different but my inputs are the same in RBR and EAWRC but WRC is more forgiving.
I can’t speak to WRCG since I had to refund it as it kept losing my T300 for some reason. Buggy buggy mess
@@CobraAce04 Yeah WRCG had a bad launch for peripheral support, and a few other things. It's mostly ironed out now. If you see it on special give it a shot.
But yeah, I'm literally blown away by your reply. To make a rather harsh analogy. In DR2.0 & EA WRC I feel like I'm driving a tank, and if I don't use the handbrake very aggressively I find it's way too hard to sustain a drift in a long hairpin or turn. The car just always snaps back to grip.
And if I try to keep my handling of RBR applied, I'll find myself constantly over counter steering, simply because the car recovers way too quickly. So if it's recovering while I'm counter steering it just throws me off the racing line.
@@MedievalRally I agree with the tank analogy actually. That’s what I mean by dumbed down. The car is too rigid in WRC but I like to underdrive and apex even on dirt so it suits me. I feel like at the very least EA and RBR are 2 different interpretations of a car. DR2.0 feels like I’m driving a floating hover chariot being pulled by an invisible horse
@@CobraAce04 It's actually really great to hear feeback like this from other drivers. Physics seems to be a sometimes divisive topic where it's probably due to there are some preferences at play.
I mean, it's not like we have all these Rally games to chose from. And can get picky. I liked what you said about it being 'different interpretations of a car'. Because that's how I've started seeing after jumping through the few games we have available.
They all have their own quirk, and I guess it's a question of finding the one that best suits your driving style. And ultimate that provides you with fun. :)
Have a great day!
The graphics aren't as nice as the newer games?
Name of this Stage please.... Anyone???
Peklo
What track is?
Peklo
Can enjoy both games, it’s a shame that there is no other rally game out there just Like rbr but with Better graphics. To be honest the career in rbr is not that great it’s to simple because of its age … something like in ea wrc would be enough with a bit more effort if you won the championship like back in the day with the Colin Mc rare series… 2.0 from ps1 3 04 05 .. all great games, why aren’t there more rally games out there anymore,
It kills a little bit the fun in rbr, I would wish somebody would do something like this with a newer title .. maybe the bad wrc Titels from KT could need an overhaul, Handlingwise at least .. and physics in general
Because RBR is still the best rally simulator in the world.
Peklo !!!
We dont have the money to buy it too haha
VR support*
Physics.
Because it's the Real Deal. RBR rules!
Only RBR with mods*
We? Who's we?
People with Celeeron and 960 GTX
What car is it??
yaris i think
Polo GTI R5
I think ea wrc prefer guys are full assist gamer,rbr is not.so the discuss is invalid
The graphics argument is also a bit the same. In RBR, if your objective is to get podium, you have no spare focus or time to admire graphics lol. You wouldn't be able to car even if it was there.
why? because ea wrc does not bring anything to the market. RBR is the only rally sim.
I like EA WRC. But the physics are not even near as good as RBR. I had the same feeling after I bought Automobilista 2. I thought it's decent and nice but then I went back to Assetto Corsa anyway. Newer is not always better.
You should try the F1 cars in Automobilista 1, that is the best I ever tried. Too bad it's quite dated now, there are quite a bit of mods and fan made tracks. But the feel, oh boy it is lovely with sick sound to back it up.
@@messiahshow Oh sure. That's why I bought it in first place. It is good. But when you have AC properly set up, it's even better. Trust me. But when you build a season in AC you absolutely HAVE to have all proper settings, proper tracks (with good ai) and everything 100%. AC can have slow ai tracks and bad cars which absolutely ruin the experience. It's very delicate package. But something like RSS 1990 and ASR 1991 are amazing with proper track packs. Check my channel. I have uploaded some AC F1 videos there. Cheers.
@@detonator2112 Cool so you're saying F1 is even better in AC? Sound wise as well because I get a hard on from the F1 sound in AMS 1, not sure how the sounddesigner screwed it up so much in AMS2 but he did, he cleaned up the audio too much, removed all these raw bells and whistles that bring immersion.
Thank you for the tip, I need to look deeper into AC, I know a friend have always been on me about the grandeur of AC and it's mods. Just never had the energy to dig into it especially since I don't have a simrig yet but I'm about to get one very soon.
@@messiahshow Some of my videos have all the links that you need in the video description. If you need something let me know. Good luck.
PS: The biggest advantage of AC (to me) is that the F1 cars are not "floaty". That's how they feel on AMS2. Don't get me wrong AMS2 is a great sim. Also it can have something to do what you've been used to. I play AMS2 occasionally but I've had some insanely challenging and memorable seasons on AC.
idont play becase its not in ps5.and of course cant mod console games.best rally game ever made for sure but its too old for my taste. new stages look awesome good for 21years old game i have to say that...but it has not multiplayer build inside the game so idont want to use rallyesim or etc.but awesome memories with this game..i hope that rbr 2 is coming someday from rbr developers. maybe its called craig breen rally.come on warthog gather together!
It's a simple answer... EA Sports aka corrupted Codemasters ruined the rally game so the new WRC game with broken handling is comparable only to Mario Kart on Nintendo that's all.
The only stage made ever for RBR which is acceptable how it looks... I really like it
I'm playing RBR since the beginning and i am surprised how good is the handling of the EA WRC (on gravel). If you know how to set up your cars well, most of them feels natural , predictable, realistic.
Locking the wheel isn't working well - may it is a bug and devs will fix it later
Trato de poner el bloqueo todo el rato pero solo a veces lo detecta.
WRC It's trash, a shame that the creators have done something worse than dirt and away from RBR in so many years...
THANK YOU... finally someone that gets it... EA WRC has extremely realistic handling, espetially on gravel... but you need to set up your fucking car well to be aggressive but not over-aggressive and at the same time, newsflash... you need to know how to drive a rally car and not drive too slow or drive like you're driving a normal road car... which 99% of the people even in this comment section I am sure have no clue how to do...
People just think that rally cars should be destroyed, flipped over and be uncontrollable all the time because you need to "fight the car" to be realistic... FUCK NO!!!! If you needed to fight the car all day real life drivers would never finish a fucking event!!!
Peklo
broke boys
nah we play RBR on a $2000 sim rig with VR. EA WRC is fine if you like playing on the couch with a controller lmao
Probably you never driven a car before, otherwise you wouldn’t make statements on a 20 year old game …
@@shishkebaba because if you spend that much and don’t invest in a car you utterly dumb
@@nunopt4071says the one who has a rbr rally video??
i must confess is quiet awesome@@GrilledPixeIs
Bello eh, ma è un titolo PS2, dopo 10 minuti di gioco prendi gli occhi e li butti nel cesso 😂
what is wrc 😂
EA Sports WRC for kids. RBR for men
With little ego? Guys really... spend more time in settings... Cars doesnt behave like in RBR. its harder than normal to control a car which is good for people with little ego. I don't see any advantage if you have high-end pc and sim gear. Otherwise I undestand. I like RBR but.... it's not superior over something else.
WRC 23 comes close to RBR physics. Only if RBR upgrades to a modern UI, graphics, it would be the best rally game of all time.
No It's never close to RBR. It's more like WRC 10 or DR 2.0 which is arcade game.
@@userpc-zq1je DR 2.0 arcade 🤣🤣🤣
Some people just don't get it.
😮
Bro...
It's simple. If you want to play games, you play DR2.0 or EA WRC. If you want to play a real simulator, you play RBR.
Hipster BS.
wow the sound and graphics are awful!!
looks horrible and its sounds like a cartoon car,wrc is way better in those areas
EA WRC has really good handling. Some rbr fanboys need to take off the blinders.
No
EA WRC is for everyone to have fun time. RBR is for rally drivers who look for something more real not arcade.
Well, yes. But some people is saying that EA WRC has more realistic physics than RBR, which is definitely not true. Most importantly, grip is extremely high in the game. The usual argument, that the real Rally1 and WRC cars are "insanely grippy", can't be used here. Watching a few real onboards with a good camera location and FOV is enough to realize how much slower the real cars are, and how less grippy. The Dirt Rally games, which includes EA WRC, even have a gimmick which makes the car lose a lot of speed/inertia right when you put it sideways. The real cars slide endlessly when the drivers fail to deliver the timings correctly during a slide - bad rotation, bad balance, throttle applied in the wrong moment or wrong amount. In the DR/EA WRC games sliding and staying on the road is way easier.
Really good handling? You realise you talking about a game where you basically have no function for the handbrake, because the cars have such ridiculous handling and grip?
I agree, Fanboys need to understand settings... I don't feel too much grip and talking about real cars... For me it feels like a real car which I am driving almost every day like most of us... Proper FFB, bass shakers. If somebody is not psychologically related with RBR... I think most of people would say it's similar actually but with shitty anti-immersion everything else than FFB.
EA WRC has maps made by AI.. they look nothing like the places they are trying to be. because RBR and the RBR modding community is by people who cares, it acutally look like the place.
Why Do Y'all Still Play RBR After EA WRC? Because of your potato PC.
oh no, you are a lot far from the truth
I have a 4080 and still boot up RBR.
I'm really enjoying EA WRC, but there's still number of major things about it that just irritate the hell out of me.
Hmmmm, physics based on 2004 technologies +mods made by amateurs, vs physics based on 2023 technologies, tuned by guys with 20 years programming and rally games experience, and who has full contact and feedback from real wrc drivers? 🤔🤔🤔
Because codmaster never tried to make a real rally simulator. Their goal is sell many game as they can so they persue arcade for profit. And Real rally driver said RBR is the most realistic rally sim. He said it before EA WRC but EA WRC seems even worse than DR 2.0 physics.
Yes, that's why it is even more surprising RBR is still much better in many ways.
But the RBR NGP physics guy is definitely not an amateur.
You are comparing attempt to make game as realistic as possible vs making simcade, kinda realistic but enjoyable for casual gamer. That's why 2004 vs 2023 comparision is stupid.
Be carefull.... People don't like to hear the truth :D. I agree. Its like boxing fans pretending they know how it is to fight with FURY. :D No offence. I prefer new WRC and I am very suprised by that. It just feels right to me and give me a lot of fun. Somehow. But I am not hardcore Rally fan to be honest. So with no offence again. :)
@@ShavoSoaDer but its your opinion about programmers vision.
Because EA WRC is merely an arcade game.
All physics in the world can't compensate these aweful graphics ^^
To be fair, Codies WRC doesn't look much better lol
Still better than cartoonish Dirt 2.0 or EA WRC
@@tomciglar5537
Or even Gran Turismo 7 and Forza Motorsport
@@Andreas32300wait what gt7?
In terms of graphics realism there is nothing better than gt7, especially car models, and paint
I had that impression before I tried it. But trust me. The sensation of speed, and the most detailed FFB you've ever felt will make you not care that the graphics are from another generation.
The road surfaces my guy. Be it gravel with sudden deep ruts, or weird camber, and constant little dips and bumps, like the road was made years ago. Not like it was freshly bulldozed. And then the craziest tarmac surfaces you've ever felt. You can alsmost feel every patch of tarmac in these half repaired & patched up roads. Nothing can beat that for now.
simple answer _ Cause Wrc is EA
as good as RBR is, its FFB is mid by todays standards
maybe vanilla, NGP7 is up there with AC and rfactor
Still RBR the best! what version or rbr is this? PRO/Rallyfansim ?
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