what i love about these is that mr logs doesn't care about "losing" the money by giving the bits and subs, he just wants to have fun, that's why he's my favorite vtuber
In MTG, Bad Reaction to Simochi and Prime Material Dragon would be considered replacement effects, which would lead to the same answer. Timestamp order is something to help determine the order of applying continuous effects in the same layer when neither is dependent. For example, having two Opalescence and a Humility out requires knowing their timestamp order to know whether the enchantments all end up as 1/1 or 4/4 creatures, or a mixture of both 1/1 and 4/4 creatures (they always end up with no abilities).
Honestly, I think it's down to the precise wording of the cards - Simochi triggers on effect activation and then Prime Material triggers when the effect actually resolves.
These cats I recently adopted are watching your video with me for the first time and one of them is absolutely ENAMOURED with the spider vtuber avatar. His name is Snowy and he keeps pawing and licking at you on the tv and is softly meowing. Fecker has never been soft with anyrhing else
33:20 It's simple. Each one only applies once. If an effect that inflicts damage is activated, Prime's will try to reverse it, but Simochi will reverse the reverse; if an effect gains, Simochi will try and reverse it, but Prime's will reverse the reverse. It's not quite like when Jinzo is summoned vs Skill Drain. If Skill Drain is active before Jinzo comes out, Jinzo's effect is negated, but if Jinzo is summoned and Skill Drain is chained, Skill Drain is negated. It's more like if Skill Drain is negating Jinzo's effect, and then Royal Decree is activated to negate Skill Drain, Jinzo will then negate both Royal Decree and Skill Drain, but if Jinzo gets negated by Veiler, Decree will come back to negate Skill Drain, so it's never a loop. Well, what I mean is it's never a loop or dependant on which one is activated first because Prime only reacts to negative and Simochi or reacts to positive.
Isn't the main factor where on the field BRtS is? If it is on your side of the field, it doesn't affect you, and you just gain. If it is on your opponent's side, it's effect is canceled by PMD.
@@mitchc.2660 Yes, I am assuming both are in valid places on the field in this situation, but you are right: the user for BRtS can still increase their LP.
Okay, I don't think dzeeff's bad at Yugioh. I think Mr Logs just simply ramped up the difficulty, which is pretty cool. That Wicked Avatar question got me.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I don’t think my heart can take watching Doug take another big L. Let’s pray for my boy 🙏 Edit: I am on the 4th question and I can’t 😂🤦♂️
Here's something fun to think about. Players would of had to have these situations happen in tournaments to decide whether cards get banned or not. Meaning people would have to easily wait anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour to decide how 2, just 2 not 5 not 10 just 2, cards interact with each other to decide how the next move will be played. Then this can happen multiple times in just 1 game. Now spread that potential brain lock with just 1 game of two people and spread that out to hundreds of people playing the game in a single location.
I looked it up. The Crystal Seer ruling was from Upper Deck. Precedent says that it's correct but I feel like the interaction really shouldn't work that way.
I think it makes sense, since it's a mandatory effect, it will try to resolve as much as possible. Excavating is fine, putting one card on the bottom of the deck is fine, but because Rai-Oh prevents adding cards to the hand, that other card has no place to go, so it defaults to going to the GY.
Huh, I didn't even notice Ra couldn't be special summoned. I think the fact the other 2 can and the fact they do it in the anime made me just accept that it could
Yup. That's right. The Egyptian God who dies and raises from the dead The phoenix, a creature that dies and comes back to life The card Marik Summoned almost exclusively from the Graveyard, and has a form it can only use when Summoned from the Graveyard Cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard.(until Konami started printing a bunch of cards to fix their own stupidity)
The ruling with crystal seer is just another version of the rulings with pot of duality/prosperity, chain call of the haunted reborn rai-oh. The cards are then excavated as normal, but the one you choose will go to the graveyard for some reason.
So, how I understand it is: You excavate, which is not considered adding. Then, once you've decided on a card, you go to add it to the hand, which the continuous effect of Thunder King then prevents you from adding, so the card you would have added, has nowhere to go, and is then sent to the Graveyard.
Regarding Q14: Bad Reaction to Simochi's card text specifies "any effect of increasing your opponent's Life Points", meaning that it shouldn't activate off of Dian Keto in the first place. Doesn't change the results, but it would simplify that question a LOT more if you were the controller of the card.
its implied the opponnent of the player who activates dian keto controls the bad reaction which means it does trigger since dian keto is an effect that increases life points
I've been toying around recently with the Ultimate Masters 2006 GBA game, and Last Turn is probably the best way of grinding money in that game, so I was honestly stumped that that question was supposed to be hard, since I've seen all the ways that Last Turn can grab defeat from the jaws of victory, and there's no way Elephant Status wouldn't work the same as those.
Technically Goblin King should ALSO work like the Wicked Avatar. The Attack and Defense of this card becomes equal to the number of Fiend Monsters X 1000, Field spells and Equips for some reason do affect it for some reason
They should make a retrain of Last Turn that's both less confusing and less able to be abused Make it so the card negates the chosen monster's effects, and have it only apply the rest of the effect if it actually negates it (that way you can't cheat it with unaffected monsters). That way you can't just use Jowgen or a Barrier Statue to cheat a win (to further substantiate this, only send the rest of the cards to the GY except for the chosen monster and the summoned monster after the opponent summons their monster in case they lock themselves with Numeron Network or something). For balancing purposes, negate the monster the opponent summons, and let them summon from the Extra Deck, since that gives them the same abilities as you and boils it down to sheer numbers Rather than having the monsters battle in the Main Phase (or "Special Battle Phase", rather), just force those Monsters to attack in the Battle Phase, then force the Battle Phase itself Reduce Battle Damage, add on a LP requirement, and you have the most gimmicky Dinomorphia card ever
The LP question had two right answers. When you take the 1000LP damage you just gain the LP back. Meaning that it didn't change the LP at all. Basically nothing really happened other then you looped your LP for no reason at all.
Huh. Until I read this I didn't even realize Duel Logs screwed up (again, considering the Kaiju negate question). Well, you know what they say about Yugioh players and reading cards.
I think the wicked avatar, and the one other wicked God card that can halve the atk of all monsters, also have an activation time based resolution order.
So does the Elephant Statue not miss timing because nothing can be special summoned due to Jowgen's effect? It should miss the timing if you do special summon a monster right?
So what happens is that. >Last turn sends elephant and then the special summoning happens >If a battle happens, or even if it doesn't because of jowgen stopping the summoning the duel that's where Last turn's effect resolves >Then the Last turn user takes damage from the elephant and gets reduced 0 and Loses. Since Last turn doesn't take you directly to end phase after the battle.
From what I recall from playing Fabled, is that cards like this that activate from being discarded or sent from hand, just don't miss timing. It's likely cuz they resolve in a new chain after whatever happened to cause them to be sent to GY resolves.
@@mintagenart Yea it's actually pretty simple, Elephant Statue's effect is mandatory, no matter the "when" it *will* resolve. Because of things like that we don't see "when" on mandatory effects anymore.
However, Last Turn is tricky because 2005 was its last printing (pre-PSCT) and cards like "Dark Spirit Art - Greed" from 2008 still read: "Tribute 1 DARK monster. Draw 2 cards. Your opponent can negate this effect by revealing 1 Spell Card in their hand." The Tribute is a cost, (costs are always paired with semi-colons PSCT), but like "Crush Card Virus", Greed can still be used in "Lair of Darkness" decks to tribute an opponent's card to let you Draw 2 cards. Interestingly, cards don't have to technically be reprinted to be updated. "Darkness Approaches" was only printed in MRL/SRL, but that set (both 1st edition and unlimited) originated in 2002; then it was reprinted again with Spell cards but the cards' numbers were still branded as "MRL-XXX" in 2003's Collector's Tins; in 2004's MC1 the set was fully rebranded as "SRL-ENXXX"; but then downgraded to "SRL-XXX" in 2010's Legendary Collection. And they are all printed as: "Discard 2 cards. Select 1 monster and flip it face-down, but do not change it's battle position." Even though Konami/card DB/wikia read: "Discard 2 cards from your hand. Select 1 face-up monster and change it to face-down Defense Position." ACCORDING TO ALL PRINTINGS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL A FACE-DOWN ATTACK-POSITION MONSTER!!
Great episode, would watch again. Side note: question 13, Answer D doesn't work that way in MtG. Life gain isn't one of the effects that deal with what was played first.
I'm calling shenanigans on Simochi, even IF he got it right anyway. Simochi only affects one player, and the question doesn't specify who owns it, so technically it could've been thrown out of the equation entirely.
21:50 The Wicked Avatar question, I would think it becomes 300 (200+100). The ruling says it overrides field spells but you would never guess that from: "This card's ATK/DEF are equal to the highest ATK on the field +100, except 'The Wicked Avatar'." In fact, the exclusion makes it seem like it doesn't apply the effect at all since there's no real targets, meaning, it becomes 200. I think it has to do with the key word "equal" (similar to "becomes" rather than "gains"; whatever ATK a monster gains will still be halved from Gale's effect and remain even after boosts disappear because Gale reads "become", but again, there's no monsters except TWA so the effect shouldn't apply). Another ruling says: "If "The Wicked Avatar" is the only monster on the field, its ATK is 100" Again, this makes no sense since it shouldn't count itself.
It doesn't count itself, but because there's no other monsters on field, there is no highest attack. It's like (N/A+100) instead of (Avatar's Atk+100). It is effected by the field spell, but it's own effect will turn it into highest attack+100 after the field spell is done applying. Because it doesn't include it's own atk it does as I said earlier.
A monster with ? ATK/DEF is treated as 0 by default if there's nothing to make it anything else, just so math can actually happen. That's why Sphere Mode is considered 0/0 despite having ?/?. The Wicked Avatar becomes "0/0, +100/+100" since that's how it's own effect calculates it. Yami can't do anything to it since Avatar's effect is constantly deciding its stats, and doesn't apply to itself or other copies of itself. Edit for clarification: The Wicked Avatar when alone will always treat its ATK/DEF as 100/100, because it references the ?/? instead of what Yami gives it. It's almost like a coding error that keeps trying to grab data that doesn't exist, so it defaults to whatever part of the code works (+100) and ignores everything else. It wouldn't be like this if there was also a Dark Magician. DM would be 2700 ATK under Yami, making Avatar 2800. Yami doesn't work on Avatar because it's calculating off of DM's ATK. Same case without DM, Avatar is calculating off of 0/0.
Basically, because there are no other monsters on the field, the highest attack besides itself is 0 attack points. Regardless of what the field spell does, The Wicked Avatar is going to go to the highest attack +100. Even if TWA were to gain attack from the field spell, it would ignore that because it can't use its own attack and defense as the targeted amount.
@@scottbecker4367 Yes, exactly, since it can't use it's own ATK as a reference, it should be 200 ATK or 0 (without field spell). "This card is unaffected by other card effects. This card's ATK is equal to the highest ATK on the field +100, excluding itself." Now the 100 ATK makes sense. If there is no Face-Up monster on the field, it should be treated as N/A rather than 0, but in the case that N/A is treated as 0 ATK on the field, the field spell should still make it 300, unless it sort of goes to 100, tries to go to 300, but it is set to 100 again somehow. It's as if the effect is constantly over-riding other effects, whereas something like Gale will set the ATK to half, but it can still be boosted. I think the card could easily use an errata if it was popular.
@@mintagenart Yeah, I guess it makes sense. It would be 200 normally, but then its effect then makes it highest ATK excluding itself, but since there are no other monsters on the field, the ATK on the field excluding itself is 0 (N/A=0). It's like a Gale or Divine Serpent Geh effect that sets the value after everything is done. If N/A = 0, and it is also applying the effect afterwards like so, it starts to makes sense. With Link monsters, they have no DEF, but that is not treated as 0 DEF, so it can be considered confusing, but it might be different because TWA is still a card with a potential ATK rather than being restricted by a game mechanic, which always takes precedent over effects, unless there are exceptions like Silver Sentinel, Parasite Paracide that bypass game mechanics.
14 is easy for me have duel with same scenario but instead "prime material dragon" i use "oracle king D'arc" both shimochi and D'arc have continous effect and should looping each other so to break the loop game would just count which card is the last resolve (first/last resolve would be depends on which kind card [burn/gain] effect activated) or you could say they negate each other (in this case i got 3k gain from gift card and got 1k burn from contract)
Probably an accident by Duel Logs but it's actually a trick question. BRTS only affects the opponent, so PMD doesn't even factor into the question since Dian Keto only affects you. Didn't even realize until a comment pointed it out.
Definitely need to iron out the kinks with this show if it becomes a series. Alot of the questions were pretty open ended and needed to be more specific and the 8th question having two monsters with a negate didn't help, spelling mistake in question 9C (you said 1000 while the answer says 100). Needs a bit more proofreading and double checking beforehand. Once it becomes a bit more streamlined and less prototype I can see this series being really great. EDIT: It would also help if you gave viewers the reason chosen answer for questions are correct/incorrect. - You never explained why C is right in question 10 even after the complicated discussion. In Coders ruling series, he always gives a reason for the answer even if it's an easy question because it helps explain to viewers why. - Question 11 had Doug remark about how stupid of a ruling it was, you commented on how strange it was but it wasn't explained at all except for saying ït's just always "+100" and you just moved onto the next question. Whats the ruling/why is it only +100? I still don't know. - You explained Rai-Oh wrong in question 12, it is not "you can not add cards to your hand by card effects", it's "You can not add cards except by drawing them", meaning that card effects that make you draw cards still work (Seer adds to hand), a problem that could have been resolved by reading the card to Doug (instead of giving a summary) or having it on screen. - You literally gave Doug the answer in question 13 at 29:03, Doug didn't click onto that because he was thinking about something else but I...don't think you're supposed to tell someone exactly how to find the answer. - There also doesn't seem to be any set rules for lives/lifelines, I don't think there should be any questions or options. After question 10 when you were discussing question 8 being wrong, it should have just been a simple "Kaiju does have a negate, my bad you get 1 life back and the lifeline you used". Also, you should screen share/display the cards in the question to the contestant instead of constantly explaining what the cards do, because there are alot of inconsistencies of being allowed to describe certain cards to the contestant and not explain others. - Question 14 should've been FAR more specific about who controls what cards on the field. If YOU controlled Simochi and activated Dian Keto, Simochi wouldn't even activate so your explanation to Doug would have been totally wrong. I think once you sit down and form a more concrete flow and description of what you want the series to be, you won't have to worry about the casual rambling that took up 30 minutes of this ep. Good luck!
I was thinking the 100 one actually could technically still work as 100 or 1000 LP. If it is 100, it makes it more obvious because most people know Ra has no "pay 100 LP effect", but themselves might assume it is a typo at first but come back to it. Either way, it reads "card" instead of "monster", so there is a real hint regardless. However there is more evidence that you are correct, and that there is more than just one error. 17:55 Proves he wrote the test himself. "How did I get the Kumongous one wrong?" 10:37 He said "I do mean 1,000" but that means he is not reading from the screen we see and has his own sheet that is different, or that he knows he put an error, but is ignoring it (which is basically what he says). If it was made by someone else, the 100 LP could work, and he would probably have been more alerted at the disparity. There's also the instances where DuelLogs pronounced "Pixiel" as "Pixel" and "Burstinatrix" as "Burst-in-AYE-tricks" instead of "Burst-in-AH-tricks". This isn't evidence that the test is wrong, but that he is human and makes mistakes, and mistakes on the test aren't impossible.
This is already a series, this is like the 6th one he’s done. Who controls Bad Reaction is irrelevant in the life gain question because the answer is still gain 1000 regardless. You’re taking this too seriously, it’s just for fun. Most of the stuff you’re complaining about is simply because it’s recorded live and done in one take.
Doug getting an answer wrong by not reading is so on brand
he is just built different
Truly this, MBT must be laughing all the way to the bank
Click on the yellow
Proof that he is IN FACT a Yu-Gi-Oh! player.
Filming this episode was INTENSE! There's some tough questions!!
I actually didn't get most of them so i was surprised you were able to answer good job
Ah so this is the part of modern YGO where Life does matter.
The secret is to not be stingy with your life lines.
Never doubted you for a second.
Amazing job D! 🤩
I swear to god if Doug manages to lose this he is on the great Doug sweep of losing every series he is in
10-0
An unfortunate outcome :/
Pure evil, the amount of text on question 15 was a straight attack into Dzeef's life philosophy.
I can hear MBT moaning in pain due to the HEROs question
MBT moaning 🤤🤤
"Now that I'm starting to read them, I'm getting it."
Yu-Gi-Oh in a nutshell.
The spheal plushie was obviously the correct answer according to chat XD
The true rule of Last Turn is it is always the funniest outcome.
Last Turn only treats Battle Damage as 0, not to mention the monster and therefore the player has to still survive to the End Phase.
what i love about these is that mr logs doesn't care about "losing" the money by giving the bits and subs, he just wants to have fun, that's why he's my favorite vtuber
This is a literal genius idea to do and I hope this becomes a regular thing
There's a good bit on the duellogs duel logs too
This is like the 5th one he's done that I'm aware of.
As the other guy said theres alot on his other channel if you search for it
@@isluh9613 until this comment thread I didn't realize this was on the top10 channel
@@Tekarusame lmao same 💀
Dougs face on the equation question was priceless 😂
Doug and his worst enemy: reading
9:12
At least this helps prove that no one, not even the trivia host knows what any of the Kaijus do
Tbf most of players i've know didn't even knew that Kaijus had an eff aside from " special summ this card by tributing a monster your opp controls "
In MTG, Bad Reaction to Simochi and Prime Material Dragon would be considered replacement effects, which would lead to the same answer.
Timestamp order is something to help determine the order of applying continuous effects in the same layer when neither is dependent. For example, having two Opalescence and a Humility out requires knowing their timestamp order to know whether the enchantments all end up as 1/1 or 4/4 creatures, or a mixture of both 1/1 and 4/4 creatures (they always end up with no abilities).
Honestly, I think it's down to the precise wording of the cards - Simochi triggers on effect activation and then Prime Material triggers when the effect actually resolves.
The Last Turn puzzle made for a fitting last question
MBT sub count needed for the E hero question
2:11 I see Jimbles' medicine addiction deck left an impression on Duellogs
These cats I recently adopted are watching your video with me for the first time and one of them is absolutely ENAMOURED with the spider vtuber avatar. His name is Snowy and he keeps pawing and licking at you on the tv and is softly meowing. Fecker has never been soft with anyrhing else
The chating voting on other things then the answers got me good XD
33:20 It's simple. Each one only applies once. If an effect that inflicts damage is activated, Prime's will try to reverse it, but Simochi will reverse the reverse; if an effect gains, Simochi will try and reverse it, but Prime's will reverse the reverse.
It's not quite like when Jinzo is summoned vs Skill Drain. If Skill Drain is active before Jinzo comes out, Jinzo's effect is negated, but if Jinzo is summoned and Skill Drain is chained, Skill Drain is negated.
It's more like if Skill Drain is negating Jinzo's effect, and then Royal Decree is activated to negate Skill Drain, Jinzo will then negate both Royal Decree and Skill Drain, but if Jinzo gets negated by Veiler, Decree will come back to negate Skill Drain, so it's never a loop.
Well, what I mean is it's never a loop or dependant on which one is activated first because Prime only reacts to negative and Simochi or reacts to positive.
Isn't the main factor where on the field BRtS is? If it is on your side of the field, it doesn't affect you, and you just gain. If it is on your opponent's side, it's effect is canceled by PMD.
@@mitchc.2660 Yes, I am assuming both are in valid places on the field in this situation, but you are right: the user for BRtS can still increase their LP.
Okay, I don't think dzeeff's bad at Yugioh. I think Mr Logs just simply ramped up the difficulty, which is pretty cool. That Wicked Avatar question got me.
15 questions on Fabled to give Doug a chance
These are so awesome, hope to see more!
Haven’t watched the video yet but I don’t think my heart can take watching Doug take another big L. Let’s pray for my boy 🙏
Edit: I am on the 4th question and I can’t 😂🤦♂️
The sense of dread and anxiety accumulates.
Great episode. Now we just need to get MBT to react to it.
Cant wait to rewatch this on farfa and friends soon
@5:20 Burstinatrix IS part of Electrum. It's Avian + Burstinatrix + Bubbleman + Clayman
Wait doug can read?
crazy, maybe he should use that skill more often
Iirc he did pretty well on Coder's quiz as well.
He doesn't read cards during streams and videos because if he did he'd be reading cards 24/7 and his glasses look really thick already.
Dzeef definitely had quite the challenging quiz compared to MBT and Farfa. One thing is for sure, Duel Logs loves Linear Equation Cannon, lol.
Doug not reading? CLASSIC
I love the vt spider, there is just some comedic sense to its size that cracks me up
Doug read challenge (actually possible here holy moly maybe he can win an episode of Roulette!)
knowing specific mystical refpanel rulans is the ultimate touch grass moment xDD
Technically with question 4, A and B would be correct as Avian and Burstinatrix are materials for Electrum
Here's something fun to think about. Players would of had to have these situations happen in tournaments to decide whether cards get banned or not. Meaning people would have to easily wait anywhere from 10 minutes to an hour to decide how 2, just 2 not 5 not 10 just 2, cards interact with each other to decide how the next move will be played. Then this can happen multiple times in just 1 game. Now spread that potential brain lock with just 1 game of two people and spread that out to hundreds of people playing the game in a single location.
I looked it up. The Crystal Seer ruling was from Upper Deck. Precedent says that it's correct but I feel like the interaction really shouldn't work that way.
I think it makes sense, since it's a mandatory effect, it will try to resolve as much as possible. Excavating is fine, putting one card on the bottom of the deck is fine, but because Rai-Oh prevents adding cards to the hand, that other card has no place to go, so it defaults to going to the GY.
Great episode! Had to look some cards up myself! Mystic Refpanel & Last Turn are always a fun ones! 😭
Huh, I didn't even notice Ra couldn't be special summoned. I think the fact the other 2 can and the fact they do it in the anime made me just accept that it could
Yup. That's right. The Egyptian God who dies and raises from the dead
The phoenix, a creature that dies and comes back to life
The card Marik Summoned almost exclusively from the Graveyard, and has a form it can only use when Summoned from the Graveyard
Cannot be Special Summoned from the Graveyard.(until Konami started printing a bunch of cards to fix their own stupidity)
@@SakuraAvalon you're so mad about it and it's sad
@@billybobbobson3797 Eh, could be worse. I could have made my username 'Billy Bob Bobson'.
The ruling with crystal seer is just another version of the rulings with pot of duality/prosperity, chain call of the haunted reborn rai-oh. The cards are then excavated as normal, but the one you choose will go to the graveyard for some reason.
So, how I understand it is:
You excavate, which is not considered adding.
Then, once you've decided on a card, you go to add it to the hand, which the continuous effect of Thunder King then prevents you from adding, so the card you would have added, has nowhere to go, and is then sent to the Graveyard.
Regarding Q14: Bad Reaction to Simochi's card text specifies "any effect of increasing your opponent's Life Points", meaning that it shouldn't activate off of Dian Keto in the first place. Doesn't change the results, but it would simplify that question a LOT more if you were the controller of the card.
its implied the opponnent of the player who activates dian keto controls the bad reaction which means it does trigger since dian keto is an effect that increases life points
I really love dzeeff's enthusiasm
I love the "dragon question"
This game can get so silly, it's so fun to poke at the less intuitive aspects of cards.
here's a ruling question: what happens if prime material and nurse reficule are summoned simultaneously (soul charge, pendulum summon)?
In question 9. Wouldn't A also be correct since "cards and effects cannot be activated" only applied when Ra is specifically Normal summoned.
Bonus question: WHY BA NO DIE?
That's for when Farfa is the guest.
@@jshtng78 Farfa wasn't asked that question.
@vxicepickxv Yes he was! Just not by TheDuelLogs, and not during Who Wants to Be a Millenniumaire. :3
My 2 favorite yugitubers, epic
I have a suggestion for a question:
How many Effect monsters are able to be added to your hand by the effect of Painful Decision?
a) 0 b) 2 c) 3 d) 4
Shouldn't it be 1? Cause you can send Harpie Lady, then add a copy of Harpy Lady #1/2/3 from your Deck to your hand.
Ok, so this proved that Duel logs and Dzeef are not the same person besides having the same voice
couldn't you have figured that out by the fact one can read and the other can't
I've been toying around recently with the Ultimate Masters 2006 GBA game, and Last Turn is probably the best way of grinding money in that game, so I was honestly stumped that that question was supposed to be hard, since I've seen all the ways that Last Turn can grab defeat from the jaws of victory, and there's no way Elephant Status wouldn't work the same as those.
Technically Goblin King should ALSO work like the Wicked Avatar. The Attack and Defense of this card becomes equal to the number of Fiend Monsters X 1000, Field spells and Equips for some reason do affect it for some reason
He can't read cards but can he read questions?! Fucking love you guys thanks daddy moon spider
This needs to be a regular series.
It already is. There are several videos already
@@HazeEmry where? Do you have a link?
@@siphemanana2551 they’re on the second channel.
he can do math
Man, that Simochi ruling flipped me up, cause I was used to the Skill Drain vs Wildheart ruling.
They should make a retrain of Last Turn that's both less confusing and less able to be abused
Make it so the card negates the chosen monster's effects, and have it only apply the rest of the effect if it actually negates it (that way you can't cheat it with unaffected monsters). That way you can't just use Jowgen or a Barrier Statue to cheat a win (to further substantiate this, only send the rest of the cards to the GY except for the chosen monster and the summoned monster after the opponent summons their monster in case they lock themselves with Numeron Network or something). For balancing purposes, negate the monster the opponent summons, and let them summon from the Extra Deck, since that gives them the same abilities as you and boils it down to sheer numbers
Rather than having the monsters battle in the Main Phase (or "Special Battle Phase", rather), just force those Monsters to attack in the Battle Phase, then force the Battle Phase itself
Reduce Battle Damage, add on a LP requirement, and you have the most gimmicky Dinomorphia card ever
The LP question had two right answers. When you take the 1000LP damage you just gain the LP back. Meaning that it didn't change the LP at all. Basically nothing really happened other then you looped your LP for no reason at all.
I am a little confused, doesn't bad reaction to simochi only affect your opponent? So if its your card it would do nothing to the effect of Dian Keto?
Huh. Until I read this I didn't even realize Duel Logs screwed up (again, considering the Kaiju negate question). Well, you know what they say about Yugioh players and reading cards.
How can I participate?
Wicked Avatar coming in and consuming life forces since its conception
I think the wicked avatar, and the one other wicked God card that can halve the atk of all monsters, also have an activation time based resolution order.
Just like the Cards Dzeeff doesn't read the questions either
Best game show on TH-cam at the moment.
Woah! Doug not reading and answering to fast? Who would’ve thought?😂 it’s his thing at this point
That looks good
Doug is so energetic in this one. It's amazing to see.
2 fave streamers on same video mind blown
this isnt theduellog duellog channel :[
So does the Elephant Statue not miss timing because nothing can be special summoned due to Jowgen's effect? It should miss the timing if you do special summon a monster right?
So what happens is that.
>Last turn sends elephant and then the special summoning happens
>If a battle happens, or even if it doesn't because of jowgen stopping the summoning the duel that's where Last turn's effect resolves
>Then the Last turn user takes damage from the elephant and gets reduced 0 and Loses.
Since Last turn doesn't take you directly to end phase after the battle.
From what I recall from playing Fabled, is that cards like this that activate from being discarded or sent from hand, just don't miss timing. It's likely cuz they resolve in a new chain after whatever happened to cause them to be sent to GY resolves.
@@mintagenart Yea it's actually pretty simple, Elephant Statue's effect is mandatory, no matter the "when" it *will* resolve.
Because of things like that we don't see "when" on mandatory effects anymore.
It doesn't miss timing because it doesn't say "when... you can". It's a mandatory effect.
However, Last Turn is tricky because 2005 was its last printing (pre-PSCT) and cards like "Dark Spirit Art - Greed" from 2008 still read:
"Tribute 1 DARK monster. Draw 2 cards. Your opponent can negate this effect by revealing 1 Spell Card in their hand."
The Tribute is a cost, (costs are always paired with semi-colons PSCT), but like "Crush Card Virus", Greed can still be used in "Lair of Darkness" decks to tribute an opponent's card to let you Draw 2 cards.
Interestingly, cards don't have to technically be reprinted to be updated. "Darkness Approaches" was only printed in MRL/SRL, but that set (both 1st edition and unlimited) originated in 2002; then it was reprinted again with Spell cards but the cards' numbers were still branded as "MRL-XXX" in 2003's Collector's Tins; in 2004's MC1 the set was fully rebranded as "SRL-ENXXX"; but then downgraded to "SRL-XXX" in 2010's Legendary Collection. And they are all printed as:
"Discard 2 cards. Select 1 monster and flip it face-down, but do not change it's battle position."
Even though Konami/card DB/wikia read:
"Discard 2 cards from your hand. Select 1 face-up monster and change it to face-down Defense Position."
ACCORDING TO ALL PRINTINGS, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CONTROL A FACE-DOWN ATTACK-POSITION MONSTER!!
Great episode, would watch again.
Side note: question 13, Answer D doesn't work that way in MtG. Life gain isn't one of the effects that deal with what was played first.
Doug not reading. He's always on brand.
When he said “Burstinatrix” instead of “Burstinatrix.” 😤
Simochi is a non-issue because it only affects your opponent not you.
I'm calling shenanigans on Simochi, even IF he got it right anyway.
Simochi only affects one player, and the question doesn't specify who owns it, so technically it could've been thrown out of the equation entirely.
this is so good, genius concept
21:50 The Wicked Avatar question, I would think it becomes 300 (200+100).
The ruling says it overrides field spells but you would never guess that from:
"This card's ATK/DEF are equal to the highest ATK on the field +100, except 'The Wicked Avatar'."
In fact, the exclusion makes it seem like it doesn't apply the effect at all since there's no real targets, meaning, it becomes 200. I think it has to do with the key word "equal" (similar to "becomes" rather than "gains"; whatever ATK a monster gains will still be halved from Gale's effect and remain even after boosts disappear because Gale reads "become", but again, there's no monsters except TWA so the effect shouldn't apply).
Another ruling says:
"If "The Wicked Avatar" is the only monster on the field, its ATK is 100"
Again, this makes no sense since it shouldn't count itself.
It doesn't count itself, but because there's no other monsters on field, there is no highest attack. It's like (N/A+100) instead of (Avatar's Atk+100).
It is effected by the field spell, but it's own effect will turn it into highest attack+100 after the field spell is done applying. Because it doesn't include it's own atk it does as I said earlier.
A monster with ? ATK/DEF is treated as 0 by default if there's nothing to make it anything else, just so math can actually happen. That's why Sphere Mode is considered 0/0 despite having ?/?.
The Wicked Avatar becomes "0/0, +100/+100" since that's how it's own effect calculates it. Yami can't do anything to it since Avatar's effect is constantly deciding its stats, and doesn't apply to itself or other copies of itself.
Edit for clarification: The Wicked Avatar when alone will always treat its ATK/DEF as 100/100, because it references the ?/? instead of what Yami gives it. It's almost like a coding error that keeps trying to grab data that doesn't exist, so it defaults to whatever part of the code works (+100) and ignores everything else.
It wouldn't be like this if there was also a Dark Magician. DM would be 2700 ATK under Yami, making Avatar 2800. Yami doesn't work on Avatar because it's calculating off of DM's ATK. Same case without DM, Avatar is calculating off of 0/0.
Basically, because there are no other monsters on the field, the highest attack besides itself is 0 attack points. Regardless of what the field spell does, The Wicked Avatar is going to go to the highest attack +100. Even if TWA were to gain attack from the field spell, it would ignore that because it can't use its own attack and defense as the targeted amount.
@@scottbecker4367 Yes, exactly, since it can't use it's own ATK as a reference, it should be 200 ATK or 0 (without field spell).
"This card is unaffected by other card effects. This card's ATK is equal to the highest ATK on the field +100, excluding itself."
Now the 100 ATK makes sense.
If there is no Face-Up monster on the field, it should be treated as N/A rather than 0, but in the case that N/A is treated as 0 ATK on the field, the field spell should still make it 300, unless it sort of goes to 100, tries to go to 300, but it is set to 100 again somehow. It's as if the effect is constantly over-riding other effects, whereas something like Gale will set the ATK to half, but it can still be boosted.
I think the card could easily use an errata if it was popular.
@@mintagenart Yeah, I guess it makes sense. It would be 200 normally, but then its effect then makes it highest ATK excluding itself, but since there are no other monsters on the field, the ATK on the field excluding itself is 0 (N/A=0).
It's like a Gale or Divine Serpent Geh effect that sets the value after everything is done.
If N/A = 0, and it is also applying the effect afterwards like so, it starts to makes sense. With Link monsters, they have no DEF, but that is not treated as 0 DEF, so it can be considered confusing, but it might be different because TWA is still a card with a potential ATK rather than being restricted by a game mechanic, which always takes precedent over effects, unless there are exceptions like Silver Sentinel, Parasite Paracide that bypass game mechanics.
Idea for a top: top 10 field spell cards
14 is easy for me
have duel with same scenario but instead "prime material dragon" i use "oracle king D'arc"
both shimochi and D'arc have continous effect and should looping each other so to break the loop game would just count which card is the last resolve (first/last resolve would be depends on which kind card [burn/gain] effect activated) or you could say they negate each other (in this case i got 3k gain from gift card and got 1k burn from contract)
Probably an accident by Duel Logs but it's actually a trick question. BRTS only affects the opponent, so PMD doesn't even factor into the question since Dian Keto only affects you. Didn't even realize until a comment pointed it out.
You should have put mooyan curry for the lp question
Honestly I feel like TheDuelLogs should be wearing at least a bow tie for these segments
Doug. Read. Please. That Phoenix Enforcer question was painful lol.
How do people get picked for this
Always love these
Isn't the Simochi question as simple as "You gain 1k because Simochi only converts lp gained by your opponent"?
it would depend on who's side of the field Simochi is on for your statement. if the opponent has it up it wouldn't work as you stated
Definitely need to iron out the kinks with this show if it becomes a series. Alot of the questions were pretty open ended and needed to be more specific and the 8th question having two monsters with a negate didn't help, spelling mistake in question 9C (you said 1000 while the answer says 100). Needs a bit more proofreading and double checking beforehand. Once it becomes a bit more streamlined and less prototype I can see this series being really great.
EDIT: It would also help if you gave viewers the reason chosen answer for questions are correct/incorrect.
- You never explained why C is right in question 10 even after the complicated discussion. In Coders ruling series, he always gives a reason for the answer even if it's an easy question because it helps explain to viewers why.
- Question 11 had Doug remark about how stupid of a ruling it was, you commented on how strange it was but it wasn't explained at all except for saying ït's just always "+100" and you just moved onto the next question. Whats the ruling/why is it only +100? I still don't know.
- You explained Rai-Oh wrong in question 12, it is not "you can not add cards to your hand by card effects", it's "You can not add cards except by drawing them", meaning that card effects that make you draw cards still work (Seer adds to hand), a problem that could have been resolved by reading the card to Doug (instead of giving a summary) or having it on screen.
- You literally gave Doug the answer in question 13 at 29:03, Doug didn't click onto that because he was thinking about something else but I...don't think you're supposed to tell someone exactly how to find the answer.
- There also doesn't seem to be any set rules for lives/lifelines, I don't think there should be any questions or options. After question 10 when you were discussing question 8 being wrong, it should have just been a simple "Kaiju does have a negate, my bad you get 1 life back and the lifeline you used". Also, you should screen share/display the cards in the question to the contestant instead of constantly explaining what the cards do, because there are alot of inconsistencies of being allowed to describe certain cards to the contestant and not explain others.
- Question 14 should've been FAR more specific about who controls what cards on the field. If YOU controlled Simochi and activated Dian Keto, Simochi wouldn't even activate so your explanation to Doug would have been totally wrong.
I think once you sit down and form a more concrete flow and description of what you want the series to be, you won't have to worry about the casual rambling that took up 30 minutes of this ep. Good luck!
I was thinking the 100 one actually could technically still work as 100 or 1000 LP. If it is 100, it makes it more obvious because most people know Ra has no "pay 100 LP effect", but themselves might assume it is a typo at first but come back to it. Either way, it reads "card" instead of "monster", so there is a real hint regardless.
However there is more evidence that you are correct, and that there is more than just one error.
17:55 Proves he wrote the test himself. "How did I get the Kumongous one wrong?"
10:37 He said "I do mean 1,000" but that means he is not reading from the screen we see and has his own sheet that is different, or that he knows he put an error, but is ignoring it (which is basically what he says). If it was made by someone else, the 100 LP could work, and he would probably have been more alerted at the disparity.
There's also the instances where DuelLogs pronounced "Pixiel" as "Pixel" and "Burstinatrix" as "Burst-in-AYE-tricks" instead of "Burst-in-AH-tricks". This isn't evidence that the test is wrong, but that he is human and makes mistakes, and mistakes on the test aren't impossible.
i think logs just want his friend to win, idk
This is already a series, this is like the 6th one he’s done.
Who controls Bad Reaction is irrelevant in the life gain question because the answer is still gain 1000 regardless.
You’re taking this too seriously, it’s just for fun. Most of the stuff you’re complaining about is simply because it’s recorded live and done in one take.
Best series you ever made!
Best one so far
Linear Equation Cannon (with card text to read) is simple grade schooler math.
Duel series with @Dzeef when???
my brain hurts dudes....
I only got three wrong but I got Divine Serpent and Wicked Avatar correct so that's all that matters to me.
Hey duel logs you should try doing acollab with. Team aps
Wicked Avatar is such a cool card
Cracking dragon is baby slifer.
Wait,if your opponent activated crystal seer why are you resolving it?
Number 14 I've had.... its weird if you don't know
You should have MBT or cimoo to do this
He already did MBT
31:28 Tutturu~
I love this video so much ❤️
For question 7, I which answers a and d had been swapped
28:48 Key is rewind, is 2. Also 4 woulda worked if was listed.
Do crush cards next