Last Generation Consoles Won't Go Away
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ค. 2024
- It looks like both the PS4 and Xbox One are going to make it through 2024 with a huge release coming to the systems this Holiday showing that this cross generation period is the longest we've ever seen.
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#Sony #Microsoft #PS4 - เกม
The graphics race is boring, i just want good games.
This weird obsession with graphics is causing games to take forever to make.
@@jacksonjacob7791 And become mediocre, as well.
@@jacksonjacob7791agreed
Agree
Exactly. We're at the point of diminishing returns for graphics
12 years on the PS4. That's like the N64 still getting new games in 2008 or the Gamecube in 2013.
The ps2 released in 2000 was still getting new games in 2012 but lot of those games were sports games I’m curious if PS4 is getting games in 2025 or 2026 even though i already have a PS5
The last game to release for the Wii was Just Dance 2020 13 years after the console's release.
The Dreamcast was still getting new games around 2016. By dc enthusiasts. To this day I think some indie developers are still making DC games.
Its kinda like seeing how some late gen ds games came out in like 2012 or some shit
Not just some shovelware but some heavy hitters like pokemon and shin megami tensei
I remember, in 2013 the gamecube was already ancient. After all, in 2013 the PS4 came out and its still popular today.
I am officially DONE about caring about graphics.
Just give me something with 60fps... I DON'T need 3,000 trees independently blowing in the wind in my games with ray tracing on.
All I want is a smooth and fun experience. We're officially already there.
The law of diminishing returns is in full effect.
Why would I spend over £500 for what is basically a neutered PC with non upgradable/repairable software with no massive jump in graphical fidelity and no really compelling exclusives.
Might as well save for a gaming PC and keep my ol' reliable PS4 until it blows up
@@willm5032 Because it's simple and easy AND much cheaper. That's why hundreds of millions of people buy one every generation.
You will accept 4k VR
@@mickael486 current gen consoles have far less sales, probably because they are more expensive than last gen
@@NeoECCHI it's because there are 100's of games most people have barely played thst are still on PS4.. even PS3. the need for a new console decreases every generation. diminishing returns is a real thing.
I like it. It stops hyper consumerism. Why upgrade when the games you play still work fine on your current console.
Preach.
Whats the problem with hyper consumerism
@@windosa2006we like keeping the money we make
@@jacksoncarder8103 Yes me too, but noone is forcing you to buy anything. Hyper consumerism drives the market to come up with the best products because of competition. And so we can choose what we buy. But we get the best possible products for it?
I still don´t see the problem. It´s a win/win
Well idk maybe people dont wanna be consumerists in this economy @@windosa2006
In North America PS4 has now been out for right at 10.5 years. A kid could have gotten it November 2013, when he was 11 years old and a few months into 6th grade. It would have lasted him all of middle school (6th / 7th / 8th -- age 11 to 14), all of high school (9th thru 12th -- age 14 to 18), and four years of college (age 18 to 22). 11 holiday seasons. He's now 22 and just graduated college and about to start his first real job, and the PS4 could have been his only console throughout the whole time, and it's still relevant and getting new content. Remarkable.
That’s crazy. I played the ps2 as a little kid, got a Wii/360, a ps4, now a PC. That’s also not even mentioning gba and DS to switch. It’s a shame kids won’t be able to see that leap in hardware.
true. ps2 made their consoles from 2000 till 2013, and gave out games like Fifa 14, Pes 14... crazy to think ps4 might beat ps2
@niveketihw1897 Why does that matter for how long a console has been around? Money is still made from legacy last gen due to large install size.
@@ganymedehedgehog371 I still remember seeing screenshots from a 360 game and thinking they were photorealistic, back when the console was just coming out.
@@Bearded.Jim1989 I'm not sure what you're asking. I'm remarking on the longevity of the system and how long that could be in somebody's young life.
Another issue is that sony doesn't price cut consoles anymore. The ps5 is 4 years old and it's still the same price. It even went up in other countries
To be fair they do not sell the original console model anymore and probably keep the prices of the current models the same due to “ new line of parts and manufacturing “ in comparison to the previous models of ps5s ( the tall fat modes )
@@preamstrikbiz0 The current PS5 "Slim" cost less to manufacture than the original PS5. Sony has always been very aggressive when it comes to reduce the production cost of their consoles. Sony used to use these cost savings in order to lower the price of the console during its lifecycle, but since the launch of the PS4 prices have more or less remained the same throughout each generation... This combined with the introduction of Backwards Compatibility, also means there is no reason for continuing the production of Last Gen consoles!
@@preamstrikbiz0clown gtfo with the "to be fair" bs. There's always a bozo like you in the comments. Just waiting to debate
Say that about the switch lol
@@oscarcamey8 The switch still being $200, $300, & $350 is wild. Nintendo got that nostalgia pricing lol.
We're 4 years into the 9th gen... games are still primarily being designed for 8th gen systems with 9th gen systems being an afterthought.
it's almost like we don't need the power of 9th gen systems to have great games.
RoboCop, Alone in the Dark, Alan Wake 2, Dragon's Dogma 2, Layers of Fear, Star Wars Outlaws, The Chant, Gotham Knights, Banishers, Resident Evil 4, Silent Hill 2, SF6, Atlas Fallen.... all games I want but can't play (except Gotham Knights thanks to Game Pass). You guys are doing just fine.
I’m sorry, an afterthought? My guy, there is no significant improvement, these companies can definitely release two versions of the same game, one for the old gen and one for the current gen, they absolutely can, they don’t because it’s not gonna be that different 😂
Y’all are coping so hard rn, I can’t. Y’all were expecting a leap like from PS3 to PS4, and when y’all didn’t get it, y’all decided to blame us, blame the companies, demand that they release a version solely for the current gen and see if it’s much different
@@xx_andysixx_xx broke ass
Ps4 still being relevant in 2024 just proves they could've held on to the ps5 a little longer....4-5 years longer
I have been jokingly calling the PS5 the "PS4 Super Pro" for a couple of years now with friends. Almost 4 years into this generation, that joke continues to be true with the very few PS5 exclusive games we have gotten 😅
You are right. Your joke is a fact.
Literally the same story on Xbox. This gen has been extremely disappointing
So the PS5 Pro will be PS4 Super Hyper Pro?
I call it the PS4.5 😂 I basically only play PS4 games on it
The new console generation is just like the SuperGrafx. More powerful and more capable, and not enough to make a difference so nobody cares.
Most of us are struggling to make ends meet these days and don't have disposable income for expensive electronics.
100%, I'm lucky I'm in a place where if I save my money so I can afford to buy new gear every so often, as living expenses are lower than a lot of the US, but many people out there are indeed struggling to keep a roof over their heads, and maybe even their kids fed, and clothed.
I would actually love to have a Xbox Series X but unfortunately money does not grow on trees.
I luckily got a Xbox series X for xmas for 350 from Walmart. prior to this I was using my ps4 since 2015. finally upgraded but literally I use Facebook marketplace and plenty of people who have money buy there kids consoles and games all the time and it does to waste. take advantage
But y’all did years ago😭
The gen started in 2017, and ps/xbox were very late and brought ‘almost’ nothing new with them. When switch 2 launches the new gen will start and ps/xbox will still feel out of place… maybe they’ll launch a new controller each with more bell and whistles. No point in doing pro versions when studios still cant take advantage of all that power within reasonable time tables and budgets. :P
It sickens me how some people think that a console (or any other product, for that matter) having longevity is a bad thing.
People don't have an issue with longevity, they have an issue with being made false promises about the next gen consoles by sony & microsoft
When that longevity holds back another product people paid for, yes it is a bad thing for them.
@@9.5.9.5 The console itself isn't to blame for that, it's the companies that are supposed to support them. I see so many entitled PS5 owners berate other people when say that they still play PS4, PS3, PS2 or what ever, calling them poor & asking what they are doing playing 'that old fossil'. So clearly they take issue with longevity. Those are the ones I'm referring to, the ones who didn't buy a PS5 so much for the games but moreso for the status statement. Also, I think the main reason why PS5 isn't doing so well was because of the shortages that Sony did nothing about for the longest time.
@@9.5.9.5 How is it holding anything back? It’s not our fault Sony isn’t making good games. 😂
I have a problem with the fact that games are being made with lesser hardware in mind. It’s been 3 years of ps5 and we literally just got Spider-Man 2 the only true next gen game I’d say. These consoles are fantastic yes but it’s about time. Ps5s and Series Xs are not rare and haven’t been rare for like 2 years.
It's good that 8th Gen consoles won't go away. Gaming is expensive. These consoles are more than good enough.
This was a unique situation where covid caused a lot of the cross-gen games, but I think the REAL reason the newer consoles didn't catch on were the high cost, the push for digital only, and the broken games being launched on a regular basis. Not only that, WE were led to believe by the developers that we were going to see next-gen graphics and 60FPS with EVERY game.
Exactly! They made a bunch of promises and kept hardly any of them. Those of us sitting back watching, this is what we see. So why would we subject ourselves to that same kind of abuse? $600 for a console, $100 for a controller, $110 for the full version of a game.. $150 a year just to play online.. So now I'm down 1k and what's all of this really worth??
Literally Helldivers II was one of the only games that actually make me wanna upgrade to next Gen. and then I look at the price of a 4 year old console that has almost no new games that I can’t get on my PS4, and then I look at a steam deck and I’d get literally everything I want with more
@@TRUMPKILLAthats where the series s comes in honestly. Upgraded from ps4 haven’t looked back since mostly due to gamepass
That happened 4 years ago. AND we’ve seen record sales anyways. This is just companies getting a) lazy and b) even more greedy.
Yeah doesn't help that alot of triple A games barely run at native 1440p 60fps.
Hell some can barely manage native 1080p 60 *cough cough* jedi survivor.
It's mainly because they want to push how good the game looks on consoles without giving the players the choice of playing at native 4k 120fps by lowering graphical settings, so we are stuck with performance or quality options... I swear if they just let the consoles be able to customized their graphic settings like pc... it can make alot of people happy..
im definately not rushing to buy a ps6 after this generation.......
*I'm
*definitely
Just gonna get better parts for my pc at this point
I skipped PS5/Series whatever, so I may get the next generation.
Maybe.
Or I'll just play on Switch2.
Still using ps4 slim. At this rate I may just skip ps5. Nothing currently is making me want to purchase it. Note even the pro.
@@urekmazino6800 ^ smart play. At least with pc you'll have games. lol
I actually just bought a refurbished PlayStation 4 Pro for $200 and an Asus Rog Ally.
Feels like I can play anything I want on that combination.
Lol, I got an xbox series x with gta 5 and rdr2 for 250
Graphics are getting better yes but not the actual games.
Generations went from a “can’t miss out” experience to a “you can hold out for a while”
LMAO forreal, if you have the current gen consoles right now, (PS5 and XBOX Series S) they will now last you 7-10 years from now, probably even longer 😂🤣
@@YaLongLostDad Exactly man. Im glad I upgraded from PS4 to Series X. I can hold on to this goofy box until like 2034. I will be 30 years old by then.
@@nitroxylictv yeah fr, im 21 rn and with how things are going with such small leaps in performance, speed etc, im gonna be playing PS5 up until im 30 😭, but tbh i like it that way… it gives the console a nice lifespan and doesnt just rush it out of the way to release new hardware that isn’t a huge step up anyway
To be honest Sony and MS should transition to a bisiness model more akin to celphones and PC hardware.
Launching new consoles more frequently but keep support to the older ones until it's no longer feasible.
@@prizrak-br3332sounds awful
Not to mention the fact that some people are working two to three jobs just to pay their bills nobody has time for gaming if they're working all the damn time
*bills. Nobody
*damn time.
Then buy a Series S so you can at least dip your toes into next gen
@@jacobporter419A smart, poor, frugal, consoomer would want a disc drive so that they can buy used physical discs. At some point Microsoft is going to fuck you and take all the games you already “bought” and make them disappear from Gay Pass.
Facts. Working 50-60hrs a week 5-6 days a week /w 1 day off for errands is insane.
More money - no time
More time - no money
Can't win.
This is why I still have games from 10 years ago.. I have yet to play.
Facts. Literally sold all of my consoles and only kept my 360. I really could care less about modern gaming and kinda stopped playing games to begin with
Somebody brought up a good point last nite during Spawncast that I remember hearing elsewhere that I agree with... with Switch 2 becoming a thing soon... it legitimizes to keep around PS4/Xbox 1 ports because Switch 2 will be in a similar ballpark of output
As long as the port is decent, I'm all for it. The only thing weird I remember was why NRS released Mortal Kombat 1 for Nintendo Switch but not for PS4/Xbox One
The Switch 2 will be making up performance with DLSS though, which the last gen consoles do not have support for
@@panduino2156 DLSS is not a miracle sauce that will just level everything, especially when the rumor the chipset is lacking a component to make DLSS more efficient, thus relying more on raw CPU power to make up for it. And the next-gen successors from competitors will make use of A.I. upscaling technology with even more power and thus Switch 2's advantage will be nullified.
I think the PS4/Xbox 1 graphical level will still be good enough in the next few years, that means the Switch 2 will also have a good time.
@@MedalionDS9 It will opticaly make it look better. To achieve that better look without DLSS, the device has to have more power. So DLSS is a good compenssation for the lack of power to a certain degree.
This is also happening on the smartphone market: no reasons to upgrade.
There is for gaming, the iPhone 15 Pro is able to play a new generation of games that cant be played on older phones.
At least with phones they have more opportunities to break? So you might get a new one more often than a console.
Unless you're playing high end titles on your phone which most people aren't. There isn't many good reasons to buy the latest device.
I got a mid tier Android A71 from 2020. Works perfectly fine and has a great battery life still.
Sony stopped making the PS2 in early 2013, the PS4 released in September of the same year. Even though the PS3 would continue to be made into the PS4 generation, the PS2 was just 6 months short of spanning the whole PS3 generation, the last official game (Pro Evolution Soccer 2014) for it was released the same month as the PS4 launch.
The Switch successor will also probably come short of repeating the enormous success this console had. When you have a good generation you just milk it as much as possible because of margins, often at the expense of the next thing. It's natural.
True!
The last three years of the PS2 had like 10 games total tbf. The last actually decent year for content on the PS2 was 2009. After that, content dove off a cliff.
ps2 had the best library of games ever, ps3 was good, but at the beginning of ps4, you could feel things were going downhill the xbox 360 was also peak for xbox and this era, they destroyed it all on purpose
PS3 had already been out for a year or 2 when I went to buy Persona 4 for PS2
It's really funny the game series that lasted 3 generations is the one game going to drive the next generation forward.
I’m not surprised gta vi isn’t coming to ps4 or Xbox one. I don’t even think those consoles would be able to run gta vi. From the trailers it seems like they want to take full advantage of the current gen hardware
@@lewisgrant7622 its kinda weird tho
While Games like Alan Wake 2 and Hellblade 2 basically kill it on 9th Gen, they still are somehow playable and acceptable on a ASUS Rog Ally, basically a portable PS4
You get my Point?
@@kentown8115 I think what they meant was that since GTA V was on PS3/360, PS4/XBONE, and PS5/Series X/S. aka the game that lasted generations instead of the previous trend of multiple games per generation.
@@kentown8115yeah you completely misunderstood what the OP said
@@MedGirl797 damn they deleted their comment lol
People forget this happened for a good reason a long time ago with Nintendo. The NES and games for it were still being sold for 5 years after the SNES released despite the “obvious graphical jump”
If Sony didn't release some of their games on PS4 & PC, people would complain. But when they do release games on PS4 (this is also true for PC), people still say there are no games on ps5. What's wrong with people?
Yeah whenever they release a game exclusive to PS5 people complain and complain about why it isn't on PC. And then if it does go to PC then people say the PS5 has no games, it's really quite annoying.
Making the same game available for PS4 basically reduces the PS5 title to same but a bit prettier. Which then leads to current complaints about games not offering anything new aside from a slight visual upgrade. For example say PS4 can only run 100 AI opponents at once the PS5 1000,but now the PS5 is being limited to PS4 just with a shinier coat of paint.
who would have thought people have different opinions on things 🤔
And if Sony releases the rumered new handheld that plays ps4 titles, last gen consoles wont die anytime soon
Xbox is also rumoured to release a handheld console.
I am one of the 1 million people on PS3, nice. :D
Just cleaned out my Nov 2006 model I got from a pawn shop for $29.
A01 model of the PS3, the launch version is now worth close to $1000 in mint condition, it's the one with PS2 backwards compatibility and had Linux at launch in 2006.
There's also a version known as a franky, they go for about the same, it's a 40nm chip on a 90nm board, which allows the PS3 to run much cooler and more reliable, as the OG version suffers from NEC Tokin issues and also one PSU which was made is total garbage, so these issues resulted in the YLOD issue the PS3 suffered from but with the franky process it's sorted.
Computer Booter and ACE Console Repairs AU have YT channels showning the 'franky' being made daily on livestreams along with OG Xbox Tualatin upgrades and 128MB upgrades.
Me too
@@RocketRenton mine is in mint condition now, but idk why it would be worth that.
@@RocketRentonThats more of a collector's item rather than a useful device. Its gonna succumb to the yellow light of death eventually. Better to get a slim ps3 and a ps2.
The problem aren't PS4 and Xbox One. The problem is 9th gen was POINTLESS.
If you want a gaming PC get a PC to play 120fps 4K etc. PS4 to this date has enough processing power for any developer that doesn't need to make you see the porus and nose hair of your first person character model. Most indies and smaller titles have enough power. The magical SSD was a lie and a PS4 could run Rift Apart at mid graphics 1080p
Why they keep the 8th gen alive? Because it's still usable and unless you're a graphics SNOB. Gaming REALISM peaked in 8th gen. RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 is a PS4 and XB One game. 9th gen just exists to COMPETE against PCs.
I think a huge factor in why the ps5 is underwhelming is cause majority of game releases lately have just been horrible not only that and there 70$ it's really justify buying something for the ps5 these days
Honestly, we’re in a phase where huge leaps and bounds are harder to achieve. During this time, companies really need to focus on optimization…
Yep support the hardware already out longer, as not many people need a new console at $500 - $700 that can play 8K at 20fps, when a lot of people can't tell a huge difference between 1080p and 4K on an uncompressed clean picture, plus the economy is shit right now, and a lot of people are just scraping by to keep their heads above water, and a roof over their heads.
@@CommodoreFan64and they can't even hit 8k yet, but they have the power to do so
@@williewilson2250 They could do it, but almost no one has an 8K TV yet, and won't for sometime as they are expensive AF, and a lot of content is not even in 4K yet, nor do a lot of people have the internet bandwidth for it.
@@CommodoreFan64Most regular people don't even have TVs or Monitors where it would be noticable. My TV fits on a counter. 😂
@@TheDawnofVanlife Well you live in a van down by the river, so you're not what most would exactly consider normal 😅
I still play my PS4. While I want in theory to get a PS5, the prices are crazy. 70 dollars for games with almost no price drops is insane. And what you get back? Unfinished games, that looks like they play like PS4 games. I just see no point in getting PS5. And I don't care for graphics; I'm a Switch player- that alone should tell you.
I dont think there's a single game on PS5 that couldn't run on ps4 except for possibly Rift Apart and thats only if its on a hard drive.
@@papertoad456 That's what I've assumed. I've played GOW Ragnarok on PS4 and it runs extremely well.
They look and play like PS4 games because last gen is holding the current gen behind. That's kind of the point that people are making lol. $70 for a game is not a lot considering what they SHOULD be at with inflation. Go look at what older games cost and you'd be very surprised. If anything, video games have not went that much up in price. I do agree with you saying games launch unfinished. That needs to die out.
@@brycejohnson304if the games are top tier and A×3, maybe the high price is fair but for reg mid toer or fighting games, heck no. All this tech this and auto that yet this dumb inflation thing is thier weakpoint? Man I am begining to see Beavis & Homer as genuises now😅
One of the issues I noticed is that the pandemic in combination with the scalping situation made it to where a lot of people couldn't even find a PS5/XSX at retail until 2022-2023, years after it's release. Many just gave up and decided to play the older systems/Switch and or invest in a PC/Steam Deck. This is what happened to me, I lost all the excitement with that scalper junk and I still don't have a PS5 because of it.
When I finally got around to getting a PS4, it was the one on sale at Christmas that came with Spider-Man. That was such a good deal. Then ps5s were so hard to get a hold of and the upgrade wasn't that mind-blowing, and people don't have a ton of spending money, I think it's understandable why things are the way they are
I really hope this generation lasts till like 2029 cause it feels like its barely gone off the ground
Dont you worry, this current generation of consoles will last us 8-10 years from now 😂
Games are art first, technology second. The more consumers and opinion makers start recognizing this, the better it will bode for the future of the industry.
You know, the Steam Hardware survey has listed the 1650 and 2060 as 2 of the most installed video cards among players. Video card sales are dropping too, in part because of COVID, but also for 1080p gaming those older cards are still chugging along fine.
The fact of the matter is that these newest consoles just don't have the generational leap that you saw with the older console generations. It seems to be the case that incremental leaps are what we can expect moving forward, especially if the industry moves towards AI and SOC (system on a chip).
It's easier to not think of this new hardware as Consle Generations and more like what you see in the cell phone market. Gradual, incremental improvements over shorter periods of time.
This generation feels like it was rushed to get out
I blame the pandemic, devs, had to work alone from home, do their part, then send it to another person, instead of working together in teams
@andrewmoore7927 Agree. I'm a dev (not games), and the pandemic definitely affected us. However, once we figured out how to effectively collaborate remotely, we did amazing things in 2023-24. Just like the game industry has as well.
We're currently in the new "Magnavox/Collecovision" era, and desperately need a new "Atari" to shake things up.
Facts 💯
So, nintendo had the best idea when going from the gamecube to the Wii, "not power, but fun, immerssion and involvement in games"
I can tell you what this is about.
Investors tell company, “keep selling to the 100 million plus on PS4” so…..they do.
I am glad
makes sense tbf
I mean look at it from a PC Gamer Perspective. As long as Gaming doesn't demand even more demanding minimum specs, I can safely stay on my 2060 / 1660 Ti
I'm eating good on Team Steam fr and ya'll should too.
@@applehazeva2739 you nailed it with this awesome take
@@applehazeva2739Well the difference with PC is being able to customize your settings. It allows your hardware to go further.
I think its amazing that a console generation described as “underwhelming” at the time the consoles came out are now so successful EOL that they’re still actively supported 11 years later
The 8th generation was an SSD away from being truly eternal. It honestly blew my mind that they went ahead with the next gen in 2020 instead of 2021 or even 2022.
With the diminished return in graphics, I dont think we are ever going to experience that "next gen" feeling again. At best, i think new features like quick resume, load times, and whatever else they can come up with will define the generations, and similar to phones, more people will skip 1-2 generations.
FACTS, i genuinely feel like when the PS6 and next Xbox comes out, it wont sell all that well! Think about, what else could they possibly make better? I feel like graphics in games are capped out now to the point where its already good enough, people will just keep their PS5’s and Xbox’s to look for games that are fun over having amazing graphics… there is really no point in dropping new consoles every 7 years, they should extend the releases for new console to a decade…
@@YaLongLostDadI mean they basically have games are still being released for the Xbox One and PS4 11 years after their original release. I suspect they will find stuff to sell us new consoles (like quick resume I never expected how much I would love that and now my switch and PS5 annoy me not having it lol)
@@timmybarr6434yeah i understand that, like tbh, the fast loading times, haptic feedback, mic in controller and better performance on the console made me love the PS5 since i had been using the ps4 for 9 years, even the smallest tweaks would make me want to buy the new console LOL
You'll only feel it in features.
Quick resume
Cloud gaming / no more downloading games
VR - experience
Faster connection - via wifi
Samsung & xbox partnered up to bring the xbox app to the Samsung tv's so you no longer need an xbox console as long as you have great internet connection.
They've been chasing graphics & live service features for so long... they can't make a good game anymore.
Frame rates have entered the chat.......
Just the fact that the ps5 wasn't available for over a year after launch was enough for a few of my friends to not buy it at all even to this day. They're also still on ps4.
it’s like how we treat phone upgrades. I have an iPhone 13 but I’m not upgrading to the latest until something breaks or stops functioning.
Another thing to consider is that outside of Canada, the US and Europe game consoles are extremely expensive. A PS5 for example can cost you two or three times what you pay in the US. So usually in most countries a PS4 would be the console that most people would be still using. As far as ps3 the majority of people at least outside the US would have them hacked, so they can play all games from the games store or emulators.
Games are getting very expensive and much more time to make. Also the prices of online playing are high. Thats why switch was selling good, bunch new exclusives almost everymonth and cheaper.
They aren't getting very expensive.. they are choosing to make them more expensive
@@randybobandy9828Spider Man 2 had a bigger budget than No Way Home.....
*That's
*Switch
*selling well
*every month
Prices of online play high, what? lol I guess. For Xbox it's the same as it was for the 360 nearly 20 years ago at $60/yr, Switch is $20/yr, and PS is $80, but I don't know why anyone would bother paying for PSN. All things considered, it could be way worse.
@alvallac2171 cringe spotted
I think pricing is an issue as well. These are $500 consoles that have yet to have a price drop. Usually at this point in a console’s lifespan there’s been a significant drop. I can’t believe neither has dropped to $400 yet (not counting the S or the digital)
Components are generally more expensive these days. Moore's law died a long time ago so profits aren't going up the longer hardware is on the market like they used to. It's to be expected to some degree.
The base PS5 launched at $399.99. It now sells for 449.99. I don't think we have ever seen this during the life of any console but I could be wrong.
Even graphic cards are going up in price, PS5 won't drop.
@@Vaeloron $449.99?!?! Here in the UK, I can find a brand new PS4 slim for £180, which is roughly $230. At most I found a base PS4 brand new for $300... US pricing is insane seemingly in comparison.
@@Vaeloronwhere did you see a ps4 at 450?
Low estimate still over 45 Million active users on PS4 and around 25 Million on Xbox One.
There is still a lot of gamers on last gen playing Fortnight , Rocket League, COD etc. = still a LOT of money to ve made on last gen PS4 / Xbox One.
Also. There's still a couple Million active users on PS3. 😮
Kids literally don’t care ,they lack of information for comparison, as long it’s eye catching and fun
As far as I'm concerned video game graphics pretty much reached the "everything looks fine" milestone during the PS4/XB1 generation so I see nothing wrong with games continuing to be made for those consoles, if anything it makes games less demanding to run which has it's own benefits on current gen consoles and PC if you wanna play them at 120FPS
Edit: Also works great for running games on the Steam Deck and the other handheld gaming PCs
your opinion is poo,the ps4 is woefully outdated now,ps4 can barely do 1080p at 30fps lol
you have poo for brains and you need to stop being a poor and upgrade already,the ps5 is 4.5 years old MOVE ON
ps4 yes but Xbox one was terrible
From everything I've seen in recent games, studios believe that happened in the PS3/360 era...
That ; yeah I agree and I just don't think the technology is there yet , and even if it is , I don't think the economy is there for it either 😅🤣
Hello GPU, I’d like to introduce CPU. You probably haven’t met him yet and don’t know what he can do.
I don't know why people are so supprised about this. We aren't getting massive jumps in fidelity anymore. It's just easier then it ever has been to make games cross-gen. What are people expecting exactly if companies start putting all their focus on current gen only? The graphics aren't suddenly going to be 10 times beter. We are already seeing current gen only games that try to push some graphics and have to go back to the 30fps cap. When graphics are borderline photorealistic there really isn't much more we can push. Exactly the same will happen when PS6 comes out and if you buy a PS5 now you'll probablky be fine for the next 8 years also.
fcking ray tracing is overrated too that most of the times they look fake as hell. reflections everywhere and they eat fps real hard. batmat arkham knight is gonna turn 10 years old soon and that game still look better than a lot of triple A games this gen.
@@francistein8409 All those graphical gimmicks, you're not even going to notice them at all because you're focused on gameplay. They're just for the backseaters
@@carleffique2687 exactly. developers invest more on them because its easier to do than making fun gameplay and interesting stories.
Thats why its the best era to invest in a Pc . Gonna last you much longer and you get all sony exclusives and xbox too
@@guillaumeinjjuz1744 nothing beats a good pc, but there is still value in consoles tho. I don’t think you could build a pc for €500 that’s going to last for 8ish years.
I think they are so long around because not every developer is going to develop games with realistic physics and reflections everywhere and those games run on the PS4 and Xbox just fine and they have a massive number of players that own the old consoles so they might as well make ports for older consoles.
I wonder how they meassure this. I own all of em and fire up the ps3 from time to time. Does that count as well? Or is the amount just optics?
The consoles have gotten more advanced but if games are more expensive and time consuming to make then it doesn’t matter. Either this will be a stop gap generation or this generation is going to stick around for much longer.
Another factor is due to the fact that current and last gen systems share the same architecture, combined with a lot of games simply just not being very demanding, makes it trivial to also release the games on PS4/XB1 and have access to an additional 160 Million+ potential players.
The cost for the ps5 is expensive and the subscription doesn’t make it any better
I think one big issue was for the first 2 years nobody could get the consoles even if they wanted to
I’m still using my Xbox one s only because I’m broke and will likely continue to be broke until the ps9 generation
At least you can stream series X games which is so cool. You get the higher frame rates too.
@@Dryde85I tried to play starfield with cloud gaming on my Xbox one, safe to say it felt like I was playing a corrupted game file and I imagine it's barely any better on the one s/x
@@williewilson2250 if you have good internet and do a lot of diddling with routers and what not (which is ridiculous don't get me wrong) it looks amazing. Looks like you downloaded the game and are playing it. It's not perfect, frames drop more, resolution drops a bit but it still looks great for not having to download it. I'm on series x BTW, I remember trying on xbone and it was literally unplayable. Not sure about series s
The Xbox One S was and is an excellent system. I also still use it and I wish Microsoft would bring that form factor back.
@@ricahrdb The Xbox One S is literally just a rectangle
This got me thinking... on the PC side. I can see why Nvidia happily focuses on data centers and AI. Because in a few years, virtually everyone will have a capable enough gaming GPU. There won't be much of a market left by then.
It’s not worth $600 in my country (200 more expensive than my PS4 when I got it) for a console that I’ll need to spend $90 per game on. I have a PS4, and PC that has steam, and a Switch. Almost every game I want, I have the option to buy already. Also there hasn’t been a price drop. It’s actually gotten more expensive!
I'm a gamer who plays games. As long as there's something good to play, I'm happy. I've got soo many games as a backlog that I need to quit buying more.
I could not buy any games for a decade and would still have tons of games in my library I've never played.
Fine by me, as a steam deck owner, I see this as an absolute win. Support lower end hardware
That’s not how this works. PC is an afterthought with console first games. Plus with PC you can control your quality to performance ratio.
@@XxZannexX well at least if there’s already settings that work on a ps4. Those settings should also work on a steam deck. Assuming they’re actually in the pc version
steam deck and pc are the way to go brother!
I find this statement funny because others will say that the Series S is holding things back, yet then beg for SD compatibility.
@@austinfowler2707 I find your statement funny because you’re assuming the same people have said both of those things. I’m glad the series S exists. It makes devs better at optimizing
Imagine making AAA game for modern consoles needing to sell 10M combined but not selling even half that. You'd port it to old systems and PC too. Most indies games port to everything already.
That's because indie games aren't trying to push the graphical limits like most of these AAA games are. Makes a whole lot more financial sense to be on as many thing as possible.
i have a PC and nintendo that's all i need
big difference between indie games releasing on a last gen console and COD. I can only imagine the deep compromises they had to make to get it to run. Might as well try to get Tomb Raider (1995) running on a SNES. Cyberpunk was a clear indication that even the current generation of consoles is not as good as a budget gaming PC. I played cyberpunk at launch on a R7 380 and it ran fine.
@@Lurch-Bot Optimization is also important to get any piece of software to run on a system though. Takes time to learn the In's and Out's of any setup.
That in turn should make programming for a console easier since everyone's pc setup is different in terms of the motherboard, processor, graphic card, ram, etc. Some of the games from these AAA studios seem to just have the system brute force its way through, not holding the release back to reasonably polish the code so it'll run efficiently and smoothly, just patch it up later.
Also know that there's still this weird concerted effort of "Can it run Doom" still going on for the past like 30 years.
They will have to pry my PS4 from my cold, dead hands.
Thanks for giving us hope
Graphics just don't matter to me. I want fun games and PS4 still has fun games. My next console will be whatever Nintendo puts out or a steam deck because PS5 has nothing going on to make me want it. Games cost more, the subscription for ps plus has increased, and I have a ton of games to play on PS4 still. The very small number of next gen only games I'm interested in can wait until they're much cheaper. I just don't get why anyone wants better graphics when that is the least important thing.
Also, the PS5 is the ugliest system I've ever seen and I keep hoping they'll put out a cheaper and completely different looking version. Maybe then I'll be interested lol
FACTS, the only console I will be buying in the next 8-10 years will be the Nintendo Switch successor, Nintendo already proved graphics DO NOT matter, 140 million sales vs 50 million for Xbox and PlayStation? That tells you everything you need to know right there! I also have a PC so if i want a huge jump in graphics for video games, i can just use that, and I dont have to spend 500-700 every 7 years for a new console to get those graphics 😂 Video Games are about having fun, not looking as real as possible
I don’t really have a problem with last gen consoles sticking around longer.
Me either cause I think it wouldn’t be right for them to leave all those last gen gamers behind. I think a lot of people haven’t upgraded, is because this generation doesn’t feel like a new generation of consoles I kind of don’t blame them.
@@Mr_Mack88 For the most part it doesn't feel like a new generation BECAUSE they won't leave the last gen gamers behind. It's a circle
@@Mr_Mack88 errrr.... because they keep making games that work on the last generation?....
@@daanyal6266I wouldn’t leave them behind, I’d at least support last gen for at 2 or 3 more years and that’s it. Make more money wherever your fanbase/gamers are while you still can, that’s the way I see it. It’s no different than Apple still supporting their older phones and iPads with updates several years after they are released.
And then game sales for current consoles WILL tank as a result. Unless the company force people to transition, then people simply won't do it. It took until last year for games to stop being crossgen.
Jon, I still don't own a PS5 (only PS4 Pro at the moment) and many other people are in the same boat.
WHY you keep asking for companies to ditch the PS4? You don't want us to play anything? If it can release for BOTH systems, then that is BETTER for everyone IMO.
Graphics have hit their peak, only thing needed to improve is gameplay
When GTAVI launches, this comment will have aged poorly.
Im not that surprised after all due to covid the old generation lasted longer and having pro models helped prolong it. but i do think this will be the last year with big titles still getting released for that generation.
Switch 2 is about to kick off the next generation already that’s crazy
Yes indeed.
The switch was their console for the PS4 and XB1 gen. The Swtich 2 is there console for the PS5 and XSX gen.
@@jordansunderman5348 nope. The Wii u was that gen.
Yeah, I'm gonna hope that the switch 2 fixes all of the og switches' reliability issues and battery life. Those are the 2 main reasons why my newest Nintendo console is a DSi XL my mom bought for me when I was 5
The ps4 is the single most durable device ever built by man mine has run 24/7 for 10 years always on and it still runs like a champ.
I feel like the main draw to the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X was 4K HDR, as the transition happened very shortly after that generation began. And on a side note, the cross gen on Xbox is actually pretty surprising to hear from CoD lol
Don't worry, the Switch 2 will give this stagnating game industry a much needed revitalization. 3rd party studios are gonna start developing their games for the Switch 2's specs in mind and then scale them up for the PS5 and Series X with higher res textures and better framerates. Its cheaper and easier and a lot more sustainable than the other way around.
This
Yes i agree 100%
That will never happen
3rd party develop for pc, 1st and 2nd party develop for platform it won't change only cuz one system is winning
Yes. Switch 1 already improved the industry as a whole when it came out. Now the stakes are higher than ever, and Switch 2 looks to be our last hope
The PS4 slim upgraded with an SSD still feels like all you need for life
I think the Covid years slowed things down too for this generation of consoles and now we're feeling the impact of it.
The absolutely horrible launch of 9th gen, is a HUGE factor in why many have yet to update!! I'm still on PS4 as well as most of my friends, and we have NO PLANS to upgrade anytime soon!! Drop those retail prices Sony and Xbox.
The current gen systems aren't doing anything groundbreaking,so it's a no-brainer to support last gen systems...
Million ps3 players is wild
People just want to have their games already on the disk and are fed up with the online ish
I'm one of them! Love replaying PS3 games truly one of the best gens
@@SonGokuSann tbf most PS4 and PS5 games are all fully playable on the disc without any updates but internet is huge i agree
I have a OG Xbox and I’m about to go back and start playing that, the OG Xbox and the 360 were the best Xbox’s. I have a Series X and a PS5, but still like to go back and play games I grew up playing.
@Mr_Mack88 wouldn't you like to play the Xbox games on the series X over the older versions?
The ability to play games across generations is a good thing for gamers. Not having to be forced to buy a new console is a good thing for the majority of gamers. Yes, you and I might have a good job with a good income and buying a new console is no problem. But for the minority of people in the world that is not the case. That has been the case for decades on PC and it has been perfectly fine.
Secondly, the technology has not evolved enough to make it worth it for them to do a clean start.
I said this before, I believe consoles will move in the direction of Laptops and phones. You buy one and keep it until it dies or until there is a big upgrade available. Consoles will get minor upgrades every couple of years.
i.e. If you are buying a PlayStation in 2026, you'll be buying the PlayStation (2026).
Need to also remember that launching a game console is THE MOST expensive stage during a console generation. I'm sure SONY and Microsoft will be very happy to reduce that expense and keep racking in revenue from all the millions of customers already in the (older) platform.
That Iwata interview from Kikizo from 20 years ago applied to this generation which is kinda nuts.
Yeah, I just hooked up my PS3 last night and started a game on Demon's Souls OG. PS3 graphics still hold up really well and there are great games on there. No reason to end it. Not to mention my PS3 is backwards compatible with PS1 and PS2 so between the PS3 and PS5 I can play all my PlayStation games
There’s millions out there who can actually afford ps4/xbox now n current users don’t need to upgrade if there satisfied with there experience
And PS5's should have dropped prices already, both hardware and software. But a pandemic happened. Number one reason people can't afford next gen systems.
Also nothing to push them to buy.
I wouldn't get a ps5 just for FF16.
I haven't haven't played the first ff7 remake to even concider the second part.
Exactly and it a good thing for people to get cheaper hardware when they don't need the ps5
Yeah the graphics change is so marginal that I couldn’t care. I got a series s to play some console games, but it’s pretty much a mini Xbox one X.
You can buy a last gen console used for the same price as a current gen game.
I bought my Xbox One in 2013 and have bought no consoles since then. I still get to enjoy my Halo, Minecraft, Rocket League, etc on more than acceptable graphics.
Nintendo did it right by holding on to the switch for as long as they have. They avoided trying to push out a new console in the middle of covid and the crazy inflation that’s happened after. When they do they’ll have a way better adoption rate of the switch 2 or whatever theyre going to call it.
So while I play PS5, my wife still plays PS4. Jumps between using her PS4 slim and using my PS4 Pro depending on what room she is in. She plays cozy games on it Disney Dreamlight Valley. If the PS5 Pro does come out, when I upgrade to it then I will be giving her my PS5 original. Only game she will need PS5 for is the next Kingdom hearts.
Man, I wish me and my lady could afford a PS4, PS4 Pro _and_ a PS5 😅.
@@offspringfan89 it's not like I bought them all at once. Her PS4 Slim I bought on sale for $200 in 2018. As for my PS4 pro I traded my original PS4 and Xb1 towards it. With PS5 since I knew it was coming sometime in 2020, I saved money from income tax for it and put it down for pre-order as soon as it went up. It's just money management, plus I don't drink or smoke. I don't eat fast food very often. I usually just cook stuff in my air fryer. I just have a regular retail job. I've just been good about putting money aside for things.
Hopefully Kingdom Hearts 4 does not take as long as 3 to be released. But it is something to look forward to.
Speaking of the series, Hikaru Utada recently released remastered versions of the original theme song. So I'm wondering maybe it's a sign
Seems like Switch/Switch 2 may be more her style. I've heard rumors Kingdom Hearts may be coming to Switch 2. The current Switch also has Disney Dreamlight Valley, Animal Crossing New Horizons, and many other cozy games. Because they are portable, she can also take the same console to different rooms to play it, even rooms without a TV setup with handheld mode.
@@Zrorro Bad usage and waste of money
I think gaming companies are looking at the state of the world, and realize people are still financially struggling to get the recent generation consoles. So they are thinking smarter. Unfortunately the current gen came out at a rough time.
i plan on getting BO6 for my PS4 Pro. i wonder how it will be. I Installed a 2TB SSD when i got it, but i wonder when its going to start being like Advanced Warfare or BO3 was on PS3/360
For me, I’m not getting a PS5 until GTA6 releases. I was so happy that Sand Land got released got PS4. It was wild to be buying a brand new game for PS4 in 2024. Sand Land is fun btw.
Last-generation systems can be had for so cheap and can play almost all of the same games. So there's no incentive to buy the newer consoles if you're on a tight budget. We won't see a massive transition to this generation until the next one comes along and the secondhand market gets a good influx of cheaper used systems.
The devs said few days ago that Black ops 6 was in play testing 2 years ago. They proably had extra time to polish the game and find enough peformance fixes to get it on xbox one and ps4.
Most games don't really need new or more powerful hardware to run
At the end of the day it's just the result of streamlining the architecture for modern consoles, combined with diminishing returns on technology.
You think back to the 90s and 00s and the technology jumps were incredible. Going from gen 4 to 5 (ex. SNES to N64) brought 3D games to the mainstream. The clarity in graphical capabilities from gen 5 to 6 (ex. PS1 to PS2) was night and day, and you could fit much larger games on a DVD than you could the previous generation.
But since the 7th generation, things have slowed down a lot. Graphics were decently clear at 720p, and you didn't need more than a single DVDs worth of space for most games, unless they were very ambitious. Online capabilities of gen 7 brought online gaming and DLC into the mainstream. Sure, gen 8 refined this, but there weren't really any major new features of that generation.
Going from 8 to 9 doesn't even seem like they're different consoles, more of just an upgrade from the previous generation. Stack that with the fact that 99% of people literally can't see the difference between 1080p and 4k (unless you're right in front of the TV) and it seems like even less.
But honestly, I'm not complaining. At this point I have an ecosystem of Xboxs; an XSX in my living room, my XOX at my girlfriend's house, and an XOS in my bedroom. It's super convenient to be able to just log in to any of them and pick up where I left off with over 90% of my library.
I hope this is the way that consoles are designed moving forward. Just design a game for the latest and greatest console, and crank down the graphics to make it work on the lesser ones, and if it's not possible than the older generation doesn't get it.
There is more than one reason, but I believe the 2020 launch and subsequent shortage killed the generation. The shortage is why Sony released the new horizon game on ps4 instead of a ps5 exclusive. How many other games were given cross generation greenlights because of the lack of new gen supply. The cross Gen support seems to be dying down, but still prevalent compared to any other cross gen period in my life
Additionall God of War Ragnarok was also crossgen two years into the generation. It TOOK until Spiderman 2 released in 2023 for a massive game to be Ps5 only. And Sony is puzzled why the Ps5 isn't selling.
@awsomeboy360 outside of being older and with a family now. Ratchet and Clank and Spiderman are the only two games I can't play from my ps4 or series s. I only have a series s because it was my first time seeing a next gen console in a store, which was fall 2021
Yeah the Covid pandemic really changed everything
I think a single year delay for the initial launch to both sidestep the supply shock induced by the pandemic as well as stockpiling the initial batch would have smoothed over the transition. Denying some initial scalping would have made for a healthier Y1 install base, which means more money in the pockets of those wanting to buy games for it. Doubles up as a more optimistic bet on cutting off the cross gen line.
The whole situation reads as very shortsighted. There's no solid confidence in current gen mostly due to the unfortunate timing and early sales.
You can still buy PS4 500GB machines new in Argos in the UK for £179 … Last gen is still growing!
I kid you not when I tell you I find some of them for like 60€
Hell, I got a Xbox One 500 GB with Kinect, 2 Controllers and a Headset for the Controller for only 35€
Pretty good value for a few Xbox 360 MW2 Splitscreen Days
I was shocked when I saw that at Argos. Not a bad price since cex still asking for £130ish last time I checked.
you forgot to mention these new consoles have no games
It makes complete sense when you remember that the ps5 and Xbox released during the pandemic and for a full year after still wasn't widely available and when it finally was they were still at a price point with essentially no stand out games that pushed people to upgrade. All that together the consoles have been out, available and desirable for only 2 years
It's because no one has money to buy the new consoles, and the old consoles are also x86 based so it's easier this time than in previous years to back-port a lot of games, that coupled with the Xbox One and PS4 are both really reliable systems makes sure that people stay on the last gen for longer, honestly they should have released the PS5 and Series systems in 2022-23. I also already have an SSD in my Xbox One (had to replace the HDD)
Plus 200w power consumption doesn’t look too appealing
While replacing the HDD with an SDD can help load times. It doesn’t change how games are designed as they have to account for the HDD in the sku. They’re literally holding back improving game design.
@@XxZannexX I really don't think so, I'd say it's making games more efficient, more compatible and less power hungry. so games on newer hardware will run even better because devs wouldn't be using the new hardware as a crutch.
This really isn't the reason though. That's like saying the dating market is dead because men don't want to pay $50 for women on a date.. Some men may say that is the reason, but it's not the real reason
@@michaelangst6078 that's still less than a $60 $70 game lol, and Me and my girl still go out, and we see others go out too, Fact is, it's cheaper to go on dates than to buy big games, so it's nothing like saying that, well I mean it may be in the future if restaurants keep increasing their prices (without even paying their employees more)
The biggest problem people thinks that "next gen" is all about graphics
I mean thats a fact though. All the new games are style without substance. God of war ragnarok, spiderman 2, horizon forbidden west. All just graphical upgrades really, the gameplay is not innovative nor requires new hardware seeing as 2 of those games are on ps4 despite coming out recently.
Graphics jumps and exclusives have largely been what has sold people on new consoles. And both have largely been lackluster this gen.
Well, no duh. Why the hell else am I spending 500+ to upgrade, if the games are literally the same and run on my old system?
Or did you erroneously assume graphics are just how pretty a game looks?
yeah and load times. Which loads time are good but like we need great games to go along with it
Satoru Iwata predicted this would happen many years ago. That man is legend.
I recently replaced the thermal paste and switched out the hdd with an ssd along with the mclassic hdmi adapter for my ps4 . Still works fine . Same with my ps3 slim .