Considering that Xûr’s first appearance was shortly after the disappearance of Sjur Eido, and very similar pronunciations of their names, do you think it is possible that Sjur became Xûr? Just as Orin became the Emissary? She would’ve been their first attempt at making a vessel so she got a little mangled.
Come on guys. The ultimate endgame boss is Xur. Always has, always will be. He’s got like 5 forms. And we’ll fight him in the year 23 dlc, the taken nine beyond dark forsaken queen.
The 'Dreamer" was not Riven but her mate, Taranis. He was the one that was different from the other Ahamkaras. Wanting to live in harmony, with those who asked wishes from him. He showed Riven a possible path forward. The nine didn't kill him, Taranis survived long enough to make the final wish to save the eggs.
a few lines in the new lore book "Gifts & Bargans" book 1 "Taranis was born in the light of the heliopause" "The solar winds dries his damp wings, and the depth of space gives him room to grow. there is no hint of the ahamkara who crafted this egg, nor how many of them. There were No dams or sires wait for him" "Taranis's first meal is the shell that nurtured him through his incubation" so like his egg was just chillin out there in deep space... No ahamkara cared for the egg yet some mysterious force was still nurturung it floating in deep space- his first meal feeding off a desire. when the nine were freaking out about their children, Taranis acted upon their behalf. protecting the eggs & granting his own wish HOT TAKE: Taranis had made deals or at least worked for the nine.... Taranis's motives & actions are alligned with the 9. .... Taranis is deeply entangled with them..... just as much as orin's motives & desires are entangled with the 9.. Dark matter reflections
The nine is multiple, a council I come to understand so there will always be disagreement against/between a bunch of old geezer who think they know what is best for the universe.. 😂😂
Yo! Destiny legit has enough lore to spawn multiple book/comic series, shows and movies. Sony just made a huge ass investment on this series and had not announced anything beyond the game. this can literally be the next start wars!!! BE SMART SONY!!
Well, it's impossible for the Nine to have created the Ahamkara. The Ahamkara/worms were in the "garden" long before the creation of the universe. The Nine were created because of our solar system and the life forming in it.
Ok question... Do we know if the Emissary is not Sjur Eido? I mean sure Bungie reuses voice actors but Sjur sounding EXACTLY like Orin/Emissary makes me think that... Sjur died and was resurrected as a guardian.... Orin who fulfilled her coming back prophecy not once but twice first as a Guardian then as Emissary. And sure that is also Elsie's VA but at least with her they mask the voice and changed her accent. Sjur/Orin/Emissary sound exactly the same and Orin being a Titan is believable considering Sjur was supposed to have been a powerful warrior.
Companion maybe but pet no. Only an ally that deeply respects us. What if we were to guide it, to protect it. What if we helped it fulfill it’s wishes as someone who wanted the best for it?
@@pyrocasten The nine are the dark matter inverse of the nine planets in the Sol system they are tied to the Sol systems existence and while it's never been revealed are believed to have been created with creation of the universe.
@@happystate2480 ok ty, so the fact I think they look awoken, and there are 9 unaccounted passengers during the creation of the distributary is just me jumping the gun. bummer, I thought I had a moment lol
@@pyrocasten Yeah I wished they do a season well now I guess an "episode" on the Nine. Their lore is crazy with 4 wanting to do everything to help us defeat the Witness so they can stay alive and the other 5 actively wanted to destroy all of creation completely including themselves.
The Traveler intentionally created the ahamkara!? The Nine referred to them as "the children", but "not their children". They show up on planets after the Traveler visits. They create based on desire, the traveler has the power of physical creation and wishes to do nothing more than create. The Witness complained the Traveler, didn't care about the side effects of what it created. Those side effects could destroy civilizations. That sounds a lot like Ahamkara problems. Their very bones have paracausal powers that combine the power of creation with the power of intent. That's powers of light and dark just like a Ghost, which we know the Traveler created.
Riven explained that granting your own wish kills you The Ahamkara feed on the difference between what is desired, and what is given Taranis wanted to protect his children (the children he had with Riven), and the only thing he could do was wish for it, but because he knew exactly what he was asking for, his power killed him If the nine did the same thing, they'd die
@@Bustuhh I doubt the nine would die as that means they are the "gods" of wish magic, and how could they die the nine arent physical beings but a paracausal mind
Ahamkara are evolved from Ahsa's proto form Ahsa explained that her species was given a choice, die as they were or choose to be different and grow stronger (the Veils influence) Ahsa escaped the genocide of her species, and the rest became different, which the Ahamkara are part of, the worm gods like Xol is among the variations of what became of the genocide In pokemon terms, Ahsa is Eevee, fine as is, but is made different and stronger depending on evolution
@@Bustuhh Wrong. As far as *_any of us_* ( and that includes _you!_ ) know, Ahsa Proto-Worm species evolved into the Hive God worms *_thanks to the manipulations of the Witness_* and have nothing to do with the Ahamkara.
Destiny lore is what pulled me into playing the game. After about a year… the lack of being able to play destiny lore is what made me stop playing. Its an over priced game with cool non playable lore, that the devs dont care to explore.
Considering that Xûr’s first appearance was shortly after the disappearance of Sjur Eido, and very similar pronunciations of their names, do you think it is possible that Sjur became Xûr? Just as Orin became the Emissary? She would’ve been their first attempt at making a vessel so she got a little mangled.
Come on guys. The ultimate endgame boss is Xur. Always has, always will be. He’s got like 5 forms. And we’ll fight him in the year 23 dlc, the taken nine beyond dark forsaken queen.
Can you imagine the laundry list of people ready to wipe xur out for all of the shite weekends? Lmao, run xur, run like you're on fire 🤣
@@pyrocastenXur never brought me my Killing Wind + Headseeker Cold Denial and he’s gonna _pay!_
@@pyrocasten Thanks now pumped up kicks is stuck in my head...
@@happystate2480 apologies, for what it's worth that wasn't what I was referencing lol
@@pyrocasten No problem not your fault that dang song has brain hooking chorus
Think the nine may potentially become the main antagonists after the light n dark saga concludes. Would be interesting.
The 'Dreamer" was not Riven but her mate, Taranis. He was the one that was different from the other Ahamkaras. Wanting to live in harmony, with those who asked wishes from him. He showed Riven a possible path forward. The nine didn't kill him, Taranis survived long enough to make the final wish to save the eggs.
Great content as always!
Im starting to think the nine are the actual big baddies not the witness n the darkness.
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Thank you for another lore video evaze since it is so hard to take all the info the destiny 2 plot holds
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a few lines in the new lore book "Gifts & Bargans" book 1
"Taranis was born in the light of the heliopause"
"The solar winds dries his damp wings, and the depth of space gives him room to grow. there is no hint of the ahamkara who crafted this egg, nor how many of them. There were No dams or sires wait for him"
"Taranis's first meal is the shell that nurtured him through his incubation"
so like his egg was just chillin out there in deep space... No ahamkara cared for the egg yet some mysterious force was still nurturung it floating in deep space- his first meal feeding off a desire.
when the nine were freaking out about their children, Taranis acted upon their behalf. protecting the eggs & granting his own wish
HOT TAKE: Taranis had made deals or at least worked for the nine....
Taranis's motives & actions are alligned with the 9. .... Taranis is deeply entangled with them..... just as much as orin's motives & desires are entangled with the 9.. Dark matter reflections
The nine is multiple, a council I come to understand so there will always be disagreement against/between a bunch of old geezer who think they know what is best for the universe.. 😂😂
Hell yeah another sick ass lore video
where is this lore from? A lore book? or a piece of gear?
When the Hive came upon them with the Harmony Xivu said she would cage them... not kill them...
The lore of this game is so much better than the crap Bungie puts out.
Destiny 2 is made by Bungie, you knew that? And that includes the lore.
@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 yes but the lore stories is better than the game stories.
@@deweyyates7057 Maybe. But D2 still is pretty fun.
Yo! Destiny legit has enough lore to spawn multiple book/comic series, shows and movies. Sony just made a huge ass investment on this series and had not announced anything beyond the game. this can literally be the next start wars!!! BE SMART SONY!!
there are official Destiny comics
Well, it's impossible for the Nine to have created the Ahamkara. The Ahamkara/worms were in the "garden" long before the creation of the universe.
The Nine were created because of our solar system and the life forming in it.
Do you have a Discord channel where you post lore and story videos like this? Would be awesome additional to all Destiny Discord Servers.
Ok question... Do we know if the Emissary is not Sjur Eido? I mean sure Bungie reuses voice actors but Sjur sounding EXACTLY like Orin/Emissary makes me think that...
Sjur died and was resurrected as a guardian.... Orin who fulfilled her coming back prophecy not once but twice first as a Guardian then as Emissary. And sure that is also Elsie's VA but at least with her they mask the voice and changed her accent. Sjur/Orin/Emissary sound exactly the same and Orin being a Titan is believable considering Sjur was supposed to have been a powerful warrior.
Would be cool to get our own pet Ahamkara
Companion maybe but pet no. Only an ally that deeply respects us. What if we were to guide it, to protect it. What if we helped it fulfill it’s wishes as someone who wanted the best for it?
@@anonymous-yg1km totally agree sounds interesting
I wonder if The Nine are actually 9 members that didn't become part of The Witness?
I love this community Evaze’s drops a new vid and BOOM some guy says he’s high in the comment section
Are the nine the missing passengers of Exodus Green? I kinda think they are...
tell me you know nothing about the nine without actually telling me
@@KinkShamer so no answer?
@@pyrocasten The nine are the dark matter inverse of the nine planets in the Sol system they are tied to the Sol systems existence and while it's never been revealed are believed to have been created with creation of the universe.
@@happystate2480 ok ty, so the fact I think they look awoken, and there are 9 unaccounted passengers during the creation of the distributary is just me jumping the gun. bummer, I thought I had a moment lol
@@pyrocasten Yeah I wished they do a season well now I guess an "episode" on the Nine. Their lore is crazy with 4 wanting to do everything to help us defeat the Witness so they can stay alive and the other 5 actively wanted to destroy all of creation completely including themselves.
Yes.
I thought Dave Chappelle was The Dreamer...
I'll now see xur differently
The Traveler intentionally created the ahamkara!? The Nine referred to them as "the children", but "not their children". They show up on planets after the Traveler visits. They create based on desire, the traveler has the power of physical creation and wishes to do nothing more than create. The Witness complained the Traveler, didn't care about the side effects of what it created. Those side effects could destroy civilizations. That sounds a lot like Ahamkara problems. Their very bones have paracausal powers that combine the power of creation with the power of intent. That's powers of light and dark just like a Ghost, which we know the Traveler created.
Wait if the nine made the ahamkara, then why didn't they grant their own wishes?
They aren't that bright
Maybe they can’t, considering they don’t have physical forms and can’t exactly speak
Riven explained that granting your own wish kills you
The Ahamkara feed on the difference between what is desired, and what is given
Taranis wanted to protect his children (the children he had with Riven), and the only thing he could do was wish for it, but because he knew exactly what he was asking for, his power killed him
If the nine did the same thing, they'd die
@@Bustuhh I doubt the nine would die as that means they are the "gods" of wish magic, and how could they die the nine arent physical beings but a paracausal mind
If the Ahamkara are "constructs", who made them?
Ahamkara are evolved from Ahsa's proto form
Ahsa explained that her species was given a choice, die as they were or choose to be different and grow stronger (the Veils influence)
Ahsa escaped the genocide of her species, and the rest became different, which the Ahamkara are part of, the worm gods like Xol is among the variations of what became of the genocide
In pokemon terms, Ahsa is Eevee, fine as is, but is made different and stronger depending on evolution
@@Bustuhh Wrong. As far as *_any of us_* ( and that includes _you!_ ) know, Ahsa Proto-Worm species evolved into the Hive God worms *_thanks to the manipulations of the Witness_* and have nothing to do with the Ahamkara.
Destiny lore is what pulled me into playing the game. After about a year… the lack of being able to play destiny lore is what made me stop playing. Its an over priced game with cool non playable lore, that the devs dont care to explore.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re connected to the witness, species
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The original JS plot for the nine is 100% better than the concept that horribly scrapped together