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Caudicus wasn’t poisoning the Algerian for the greater good he was poisoning him because he was paid to do it by Baron Jakis. He even says he went to the Jakis estate to kvothe.
@@jacksonbarrett5561 It's true that Caudicus spent time with the Kais family: “I wintered with the Jakis family not long ago. The baron is a widower you know. Quite wealthy and somewhat eccentric.” [...] “I’m sure I could remember a few interesting things if I were assured of my anonymity.” I don't think it is definite proof that Jakis hired him, but it is highly likely. Even so, I think it's still possibly he was an Amyr
I'd recommend reading the preface to the Koda of the last book in Steven kings Gunslinger series. It's basically an admonition not to chew through a story JUST for an ending, because you forget the journey, and are often disappointed...I didn't do it justice here...
Random theory of mine: You know how there are some scenes in the books where the characters start rhyming? I know he mostly does it in his conversation with Felurian, but it also occurs with at least Denna and Deoch that I'm aware of, maybe others. My theory is that the reason he's rhyming is to make sure that Chronicler is still copying everything word for word. Chronicler is using a phonetic shorthand for his writing, so anything that rhymes would have to use the same strokes and would be easy to identify because it would therefore look the same. So when Kvothe wants to make sure that Chronicler is paying attention and writing everything down verbatim, he doesn't need to read everything Chronicler has written, he only needs to check if the rhyming couplets share the same strokes of the pen.
i like this theory. but there's something that gives me doubt. about halfway through the seventh chapter of notw, kvothe holds up his hand to STOP chronicler from writing, and then speaks. he says "... do not presume to change a word of what i say. if i seem to wander, if i seem to stray, remember that true stories seldom take the straightest way". maybe he just likes rhyming ? my dad will speak in rhyme randomly sometimes.
@@henryordish Or maybe that supports this brilliant theory because he intentionally rhymed that warning! Thus subtlety telling him Im paying attention, and the rhymes matter! Regardless this is a brilliant theory!
"Fezzic, you have a gift for rhyme." "Yes, yes, some of the time." 😄 This theory is possible, but a lot of Rothfuss's writing is poetic. Felurian talking in rhyme is a characteristic of Felurian, making her seem more exotic - perhaps this rhyming is a fey custom among lovers, or maybe when explaining history or facts, or maybe just an amusing pastime. Regardless of the reason, Felurian clearly rhymes more than other characters. And sometimes words just rhyme unintentionally (just like sometimes sentences are 7 words long). Kvothe already figured out Chronicler's shorthand and should be able to check by looking at the page periodically, but yes, rhymes in a phonetic shorthand would be particularly easy to spot.
Master Lorren told Kvothe during his first interview that he was going to Tarbian to get supplies for the coming term. I wonder if he was actually going to rescue the newly captured Scarpi? Always seemed odd timing he was going to Tarbian just then
Also Lorren’s little interaction with kvothe about his initial archival requests for books on the Amyr and the Chandrian, discouraging kvothe from being so open about his search but also going on about his own “respect for curiosity”
On my third trip back through Kingkiller Chronicles and was struck when the first time we hear the phrase “For the greater good” came from Kvothe’s father.
The "You Die Twice" theory: I'm sure that this theory has been stated in some form or another, but I always think of it in relation to this quote: “They say you die twice. One time when you stop breathing and a second time, a bit later on, when somebody says your name for the last time”. I think the quote is originally attributed to Banksy, but I'm not sure. The theory posits that the Chandrian's curse is that they must always continue to exist so long as their names are remembered. We know that names have power, and the power of their names keeps them trapped in the mortal realm. Some things that this theory explains: - Why the chandrian want to erase all imagery and knowledge of themselves. Their goal is to pass on (beyond the doors of stone?), and they need to erase all living memory of themselves before they can do so. - The "amyr, the singers, and the sithe": tackling these one at a time: - Amyr: Said to be named in the memory of myr tariniel after it's fall. Maybe the amyr are the ones who took an oath to always pass on the names of the chandrian so that their names are never forgotten, a way of keeping the curse alive throughout many generations - the singers: singers, songwriters, historians and everyone who tell stories propagate the story and the mythology of the Chandrian - the sithe: They guard the chthaeh, but possibly this is because the chthaeh is immortal and knows the names of the chandrian, so as long as the chthaeh lives so too will the curse These are all just ideas, am super open to feedback
This is genius. The final book will reveal a battle between the Chandrian and the tree-thingy. The singers I assumed was also a group, but I can see them passing the names like that. And the Amyr torturing The Chandrian also makes sense.
That's why, in my opinion, Cinder was slumming it with some bandits in the forest around Vintas. He wants the Lockless box. Because I think something about the box (seeing as how it's made of the same wood as the tree the ctheah is bound to) acts as a sympathetic binding. Open the box, free the Ctheah. Also explains why Cinder would have an interest in Kvothe (assuming the theories about Cinder being either Breton or Denna's patron) because, as the rhymes go, you need blood of a son to open it. Kvothe is the son of a Lackless, or so the theories say, so there you go.
My favorite bit of possible foreshadowing is when Kvothe cuts his hand on the Letantha. He raises his fist in the gesture "willing", and the blood runs down his hand like the marks of the Ciridae.
@Dus Bus I think a few things were pronounced wrong but not the majority of them. These are pronunciations from Rothfuss's pronunciation video: Cthaeh - k'THAY, rhymes with "okay" Kvothe - kv'OATH, rhymes with "quoth" (not the EXACT same as quoth) Amyr - EY-meer (not ah-MEER...) Adem - EY-dem, rhymes with "pay them" Ademre - EY-dem-RAY Imre - im-REE, or im-RAY (fyi Toronto is "tuh-ranna" Myr Tariniel - MEER TAR-in-ee-el Tehlin - TEY-lin Lanre - LAHN-ray, Lyra - LEER-ah
What I love about how Patrick presented the Amyr is unlike any in a fantasy story that I know of. Usually a group that are a band of heroes or a secret order are presented in the story with their perspective on the matter of the world, but in the Kingkiller, it’s only Kvothe, so we get to see how characters outside of those usual protagonist reacts to their influence.
I thought it was interesting how the little girl says the Amyr on the pot gave her “chills all over” and something similar was said of Dagon giving stapes a feeling of cold water being poured on him
Loving the idea that we're watching a hero falling into darkness in the pursuit of revenge My money is on him saving the day still, but where would the drama be if it wasn't done at the edge of catastrophe? I still reckon he'll save Lanre and save the Fae - he is the jedi that brings balance to the force
I just realized, that we only know two people playing/knowing Tak: Bredon and Felurian. Which could hint to the fact that the game itself is from the fea and so is Brendon. Also the fact that Kvothe, who outsmarts everyone in the whole series, is not able to beat Bredon even once in this game could hint to the fea and that the game itself follows different rules than his human mind could understand.
The quality and consistency of your Kingkiller Chronicle Lore videos is just tops. You feed my fandom while I patiently await the next installment with everyone else. Please don't stop what you're doing. You do the community a great service. Also, I really loved the video of your girlfriend sharing her thoughts on The Name of the Wind 🤗
After multiple multiple re reads I am starting to believe the singers, sithe and Amyr are all branches of the same tree. Stories hold their shape better in song so I believe Scarpie is more likely part of the singers. The Sithe is known for their deadly accuracy with their bows and the story of how the ademre started with archery leans my thought in that they are offshoots of the Sithe. Felurian saying there is no human Amyr lends us to believe they are a faction of the fey and how all stories blend and swirl over time it seems to be possible that they all are connected and over time stories have changed it into being multiple groups. I believe there is more to the disliking of singing by the Adem and that has to do with the “singers.” The story of the archers and their battle and their differences in teaching and legacy it seems that there is more to that as well. Even Kvothe talks with Bast about the Sithe having good intentions or does things for the “greater good” and how that is similar to the Amyr. I also believe that there might be a tie to the singers and the see-ers. How puppet see things and how Elodin sees into Kvothe at times and focuses on how things are worded. How seeing things is a step to understanding and when you understand a thing you know it’s name and have power over it. The greatest of the Rue is known to the fey and I think that is a tie to how singers were part of the original group that split off into the three enemies of the chandrian. There is still more to the knot magic theory and how Denna asks about a magic that is written and how Elodin talks of yillish knots being written long before people knew how to write. I think it is an older magic than naming and that what they write in knots becomes true which is why kvothe does or says what the knots say and why Denna is so quick to untie. I feel like the city or town of Yill was destroyed because of that power. I think the power might have to do with how the master fell ill towards the end of the second book. I think teaching kvothe how to read the knots caused something or someone to retaliate.
What if the "banished from our home" aspect of the story of the Adem Kvothe gets told is the dissolution of the Amyr and that, at least some of them, moved to what is now Ademre and started that society. "Taking the Red", being a just and righteous mercenary with a red icon (clothes vs tattoos), seems like a pretty strong link. I doubt the people in Ademre are still Amyr, but I bet at least some were at the start.
You should make a "KKC theories iceberg" video. People love that kinda content and I don't really see it anywhere else on TH-cam (at least not for KKC)
Super cool you and Quinn working together..havnt watched this yet but I'm excited. Was really happy to find all your content on the KKC. Literally nobody in my day to day life has read these stories and it's awesome to hear people that appreciate it as much as I do
They mayor theory is interesting but I'm convinced he will end up killing King Rodrick because the name of his sword means "The break in an Eld Vintic line" and if applied to a line of descendants, that would infer that his sword will be used to kill King Rodrick which could lead to a domino of events where Ambrose or his Dad ends us contesting for the throne and therefore causing the war.
I like that connection! I agree with you, it could likely be King Rodrick. I think that's actually the most plausible theory. I see a lot of people pointing out the poet-killer title to be connected with him killing Ambrose, though I think there's still a possibility it could be Alveron instead
@@CapturedInWords Vashet tells Kvothe in WMF whatever he tells her she has doubtlessly heard it from her poet king. Leaving me to think that Ambrose is not the poet king
I’m a bit late to this discussion, but I just watched your video and loved it! Has anyone pointed out that Maer Alverons house colors are said to be sapphire and ivory, and that the soldiers' clothes in the frame story is described like this: “Dark spatters of rain spotted the fabric of their blue and white tabards”. This indicates that Maer Alveron might be the current king.
I have a video suggestion for you. When Kvothe is giving the quick version of his life to Chronicler, he says he loved and was betrayed. He doesn't say he was betrayed by who he loved, though I guess one could interpret it that way. So the video would be who betrays Kvothe? Easy obvious answer is Denna, but that seems too obvious.
I'm going to have to assume this video is great. Your editing and tone is always wonderful, but again, I'm not quite finished with The Wise Man's Fear, so it will be in my to watch list. And you got Quinns too. Damn.
I think puppet’s candles have sympathetic links to all of the fires/lamps on the campus to act as a tracking system throughout the university. Or maybe even other important locations further away.
Damn, Jay! This is one of your best videos so far. Amazing collaboration with Quinn!! Btw, is it just me or the link to the artworks doesn't work? Need to get some of these arts for my KKC collection!
Thanks for watching! What I love about rereading these books, is that there's always some new detail or clue that reveals itself each time you read them
@@CapturedInWords Oh for sure! It's exciting to know that there are secrets and clues hidden that we won't know until we've read Doors of Stone. No one does it quite like Rothfuss.
After my third read through, I began to think that maybe the Amyr really are the bad guys, and the story Kvothe heard from Scarpi is not the complete truth. What if the story Denna heard was closer to the truth, but "The Singers" twisted and changed the story in order to make The Seven seem like villains? EDIT: as I continue to think on this and develop this theory, more things seem to fall into place. For instance, what if Skarpi is one of the "singers" that go about spreading the false story of Lanre. What if Selitos didn't turn down the offer to become an Amyr angel through the Ruach, but was denied the opportunity? And that's why he founded the order Amyr, because he was focused on making sure that the world knew Haliax was the "true villain." It's been said before that history is written by the victor. What if this is an example of that? The best part about this theory is that most people in the order will believe they are doing things for the greater good, when in reality, they are most likely serving the Cthaeh by being it's eyes, ears, hands, and mouth.
I don't really know if it is relevant but "Aleph" is also the first letter of the hebrew alphabet ("א" or "אלף"). anyway, this video is amazing honestly, best theory video i have seen.
The Amyr reminds me vaguely of the era of the judges in the Old Testament of the Bible. The story of the concubine and Levite beginning in Judges 17 is an example.
Amazing video!!! I’m surprised you never mentioned the time when Kvothe almost froze to death as a child in Tarbean, but was saved by the angel with wings of fire & shadow! Has to be related to the Amyr in my opinion. Nonetheless, awesome stuff 👏
Always thought that the whole open flame in the achrives was interesting too. Like in the Lackless rhyme that a candle is one of the things necessary to open the door. So maybe with Lorren already suspicious of him for looking into the Amyr, Kvothe bringing a flame and inquiring about the four plate door has made lorren even more suspicious of him.
Hey, since you asked for ideas, could you make a (full spoiler) video of the Skindancer in The Name of the Wind? Think there are many theories around that but almost no videos out there to discuss them!
I’m thinking about Stapes, Alverons manservant. Could he possibly be a traitor? There’s just this passage I find so strange, and it’s that he calls the Flint birds by their real names, wich is also the name of the royal line. Could this be a hint to him actually working for the royal line, and he was a part of the plot trying to kill Alveron?
How about this? Kovthe is a singer/ and learned how to do it while he was alone in the woods learning to play what he saw and how he felt. He later uses it when he is fighting Felurian. It seems that a singer is just like a namer. But uses song to express the true workings of ones name
One additional reason why Loreen could very well be an amyr: He does know Arliden the Bard, and specifically asks kvothe which Arliden Hes talking about when they meet the First Time. Kvothe says That His father wasnt really known as "Arliden the Bard" so It Isnt too Off to assume lorren as one of the amyr inspected the Killing of kvothes group Afterwards and thats why lorren knows the Name of kvothes father. One reason more to watch Out for him because lorren knows the Connection between kvothe and the chandrian because of that.
Yes the Duke was a secret Amyr, however, it was the Amyr that went against him, this is a quote from WMF chapter 41: “When the Amyr moved against the duke, they found the bones of twenty thousand people. Great pits of bones and ashes. Women and children. Twenty thousand!” Simmon sputtered a bit before he could continue. “And those are just the ones they found.” So I think perhaps there were still members of the Amyr that were trying to keep order and justice despite other members doing terrible things in the name of the greater good
I think Sim was more troubled but because his family might be in the bodies. But that is family was complicit in the Counts actions. They aided him in his activities. They would have to be. They had power in that area.
How about this? Denna asks if there's a magic where you can write something down and make it come true. What if Yllish knots work like that? Denna puts "beautiful" in Yllish knots in her hair and everyone thinks she's beautiful. Anyhow, when he's examining the Lockless box, Kvothe says he can feel some old carvings, possibly Yllish. What if there's a Yllish knot carved into the box that says "lock" and to unlock it you have to finish the carving to make it say "lockless"?
Some theorize that Bredon is Cinder because of how Kvothe dances around Cinder's true name, Ferule, when coming up with a name for Denna's patron, how Bredon also wears the color of cinders (grey, black), and Denna's injuries looking like she's been beaten with a stick.
Although off topic, I have a Theory I would like to put out there for you to maybe discuss @Captured in Words What if temerant is one of the realms of existence like heaven earth and hell, but in the book it's either hell or earth and in this realm the spirit of jax is imprisoned. What if this spirit is reborn time and time again, only so that it forgets who it truly is and the chandrian are like guardians of this realm, protecting the spirit of jax from ever remembering who it truly is. Maybe when Kvothe (a reincarnation of said spirit) will open the doors of stone he will free himself from this realm and so to say open the gates of hell. Later when realizing what his now awoken soul really is, he imprisons himself again in the waystone inn. As it seems so far and adding the information together, looks like Kvothe is going through more magic learning (or remembering/awakening) phases. He first learns Tier 1 stuff at the University (the magic of men), then Tier 2 is naming (the magic of namers aka angels), which he learns by traveling the world and Tier 3 will be shaping (maybe taught by Auri when he will maybe live in the underthing) (the magic of fallen angels or demons). What if the whole journey is him remembering that he was once this devil like soul (maybe encanis ?) that keeps reincarnating in jax and other characters. What if the tarborlin prophecy is also left out there as a breadcrumb trail for (and by) this devil-like soul to be guided into remembrance (since, oddly, the story isn't known in the faen realms). What if the chandrian are protecting maybe some ritual through which they captured it and the amyr, although enemies of the chandrian, also want to keep it secret since it is for the greater good. It doesn't make complete sense but, all in all, I have a feeling that there is a lot of bible symbolism where the fall of men is through knowledge (the truth will se you free - valaritas) and later maybe similar to the middle ages this knowledge is kept hidden as it is the fruit of the devil, kept away from all by a secret church sect. Maybe a mirror play of jesus going to to open the gates of hell for the innocent, kvothe opening the doors of stone will be the reverse of this.
If you're looking for more KingKiller Chronicles video ideas, I have a couple. I would like to see a presentation on the story from Ambrose's point of view. I feel that he gets an unfairly bad rap based on the enemyship between him and Kvothe. Also, it would be interesting to explore the reasons why people everywhere seem to have a negative impression of the Rou. Kvothe seems to insist that his people have more or less never done anything wrong, but nevertheless most groups of people from all over the world seem to share the same negative opinion of them. It would be interesting to explore this a little deeper.
Unleashing lml on this series could bring up so many interesting and or disturbing things. His search for symbolism is a sword without hilt but so damned fascinating ^^
Amazing video! Lot's of work! Would you consider making an in-depth summary for the wise man's fear, as you did for the name of the wind? I loved those 2 vids. Thanks!
I think it's very important to keep in mind that there is very little information that we the audience can know to be the unalloyed truth. The only things we actually *know* are the events in the frame story as that is the closest we can get to seeing something objectively. Many of the stories about ancient events are very probably wrong, lies, greatly adapted by time and bias, or misrepresented. One of the first things Kvothe tells Chronicler is that he is going to editorialize the story to make it a better *story*, and says that he will drop things, embellish details, or otherwise bend the truth if it makes a better story. All that said, the truth of the nature of the Amyr, their origins, who are among their number, and what their goals are are almost certainly a deeply uncomfortable mix of all the information we are working with and then some. For instance, I believe the Amyr's origins go back to the events described in Old Holly, later going on to be the horn bow-wielding sentinels that supposedly guard the tree that houses/imprisons the Cthaeh. As others became infected by the meddling of the Cthaeh (or possibly literally infected in a more parasitic way), the Amyr recruited humans. These humans integrated themselves in every level of society, typically in positions of authority or as authority's right hand. From there things developed largely along the lines laid out by Kvothe's research. In regards to Caudicus, I find it much more likely that he was either an actor or just someone otherwise operating at the behest of an Amyr handler. He had a gram that Kvothe assumed was a gilder and could have very easily been taught how to make one or two concoctions, but otherwise had no earthly idea what he was doing. When rumor got around about Kvothe "writing a book", his handler instructed him to try and bait Kvothe in, but Caudicus himself was at bottom of the puppet strings.
Felurian told us that there were never any human Amyr. The humans whom called themselves Amyr sound like powerful people who abused their power and were not actually 'Amyr'. The Amyr, I believe were fey and therefore they're either behind the doors of stone, which I believe could be a doorway to the equivalent of Fey prison.
Not sure if you’re going to see this comment as this video is 2 years old. I wasn’t going to mention anything but when you spoke about the ruac being a Hebrew word that means wind, i had to say something. The Hebrew word is Ruach (ch pronounced as the sound you make when you’re trying to call up flegm from the back of you’re throat, there’s no better way to describe it lol) but the word ruach is also the name of the second level of the soul that is responsible for emotions. Another interesting thing to note is that in Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) there is an idea of naming. In that everything is made of words with the Hebrew letters, and when you change something spiritually, the letters of the word are permeated and the definition changes, thereby changing it spiritually which can have affects physically. I remember reading a few other parts that struck me as having Jewish sources while reading the book. Just an interesting thought.
Very interesting!! Thanks for sharing, I've done some research on the Kabbalah in the past but have since forgotten a lot about it, but I think Rothfuss likely drew some inspiration from it
@@CapturedInWords there’s definitely some Jewish inspiration. The name for god he uses is Aleph. Aleph is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which corresponds with the number 1. It signifies unity. The pieces that create the letter are 2 others that total 26 which is the numerical value of the name of god. I’ve only done 1 read through of the books so far ( took me like a week they’re so good) but I’m consuming as much content as I can. As well as starting the books for a second time. I’ll update here if I do find anything else that strikes me as being inspired from it. Figuring out where he draws his inspiration from might tell us a lot about some deep plot points that may be going unnoticed.
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Caudicus wasn’t poisoning the Algerian for the greater good he was poisoning him because he was paid to do it by Baron Jakis. He even says he went to the Jakis estate to kvothe.
The french king Charlemagne had a secret society of vigilante knights who exacted vengance on out of control nobles,thats who the Amyr are based on.
@@jacksonbarrett5561 It's true that Caudicus spent time with the Kais family: “I wintered with the Jakis family not long ago. The baron is a widower you know. Quite wealthy and somewhat eccentric.” [...] “I’m sure I could remember a few interesting things if I were assured of my anonymity.” I don't think it is definite proof that Jakis hired him, but it is highly likely. Even so, I think it's still possibly he was an Amyr
@@watttylerthesecond7056 Oh interesting! Never heard anyone connect that before but that definitely sounds like they were based on that
i simply cannot function without knowing the ending to this story anymore
Me either. Write faster, Patrick!
@@angelajansons9037 maybe a decade later, he’ll be done.
He should give the rights to Brandon Sanderson 😂
I'd recommend reading the preface to the Koda of the last book in Steven kings Gunslinger series.
It's basically an admonition not to chew through a story JUST for an ending, because you forget the journey, and are often disappointed...I didn't do it justice here...
@@jenolaszlo2167 it wouldn’t be the same tho:(
Random theory of mine: You know how there are some scenes in the books where the characters start rhyming? I know he mostly does it in his conversation with Felurian, but it also occurs with at least Denna and Deoch that I'm aware of, maybe others.
My theory is that the reason he's rhyming is to make sure that Chronicler is still copying everything word for word. Chronicler is using a phonetic shorthand for his writing, so anything that rhymes would have to use the same strokes and would be easy to identify because it would therefore look the same. So when Kvothe wants to make sure that Chronicler is paying attention and writing everything down verbatim, he doesn't need to read everything Chronicler has written, he only needs to check if the rhyming couplets share the same strokes of the pen.
dawg ur a straight up genius wtf
i like this theory. but there's something that gives me doubt. about halfway through the seventh chapter of notw, kvothe holds up his hand to STOP chronicler from writing, and then speaks. he says "... do not presume to change a word of what i say. if i seem to wander, if i seem to stray, remember that true stories seldom take the straightest way". maybe he just likes rhyming ? my dad will speak in rhyme randomly sometimes.
@@henryordish Or maybe that supports this brilliant theory because he intentionally rhymed that warning! Thus subtlety telling him Im paying attention, and the rhymes matter!
Regardless this is a brilliant theory!
@@braxwhitney cant make sense of this. why does going into rhyme mean "im paying attention" or "the rhymes matter"
"Fezzic, you have a gift for rhyme." "Yes, yes, some of the time." 😄 This theory is possible, but a lot of Rothfuss's writing is poetic. Felurian talking in rhyme is a characteristic of Felurian, making her seem more exotic - perhaps this rhyming is a fey custom among lovers, or maybe when explaining history or facts, or maybe just an amusing pastime. Regardless of the reason, Felurian clearly rhymes more than other characters. And sometimes words just rhyme unintentionally (just like sometimes sentences are 7 words long). Kvothe already figured out Chronicler's shorthand and should be able to check by looking at the page periodically, but yes, rhymes in a phonetic shorthand would be particularly easy to spot.
Master Lorren told Kvothe during his first interview that he was going to Tarbian to get supplies for the coming term. I wonder if he was actually going to rescue the newly captured Scarpi? Always seemed odd timing he was going to Tarbian just then
Wow I never thought of that! That is odd timing and I think you could be on to something, very interesting
Also Lorren’s little interaction with kvothe about his initial archival requests for books on the Amyr and the Chandrian, discouraging kvothe from being so open about his search but also going on about his own “respect for curiosity”
On my third trip back through Kingkiller Chronicles and was struck when the first time we hear the phrase “For the greater good” came from Kvothe’s father.
This was an awesome collaboration!
It was great to collab with you at last! Hope to have you on the channel again man!
The "You Die Twice" theory:
I'm sure that this theory has been stated in some form or another, but I always think of it in relation to this quote: “They say you die twice. One time when you stop breathing and a second time, a bit later on, when somebody says your name for the last time”. I think the quote is originally attributed to Banksy, but I'm not sure.
The theory posits that the Chandrian's curse is that they must always continue to exist so long as their names are remembered. We know that names have power, and the power of their names keeps them trapped in the mortal realm. Some things that this theory explains:
- Why the chandrian want to erase all imagery and knowledge of themselves. Their goal is to pass on (beyond the doors of stone?), and they need to erase all living memory of themselves before they can do so.
- The "amyr, the singers, and the sithe": tackling these one at a time:
- Amyr: Said to be named in the memory of myr tariniel after it's fall. Maybe the amyr are the ones who took an oath to always pass on the names of the chandrian so that their names are never forgotten, a way of keeping the curse alive throughout many generations
- the singers: singers, songwriters, historians and everyone who tell stories propagate the story and the mythology of the Chandrian
- the sithe: They guard the chthaeh, but possibly this is because the chthaeh is immortal and knows the names of the chandrian, so as long as the chthaeh lives so too will the curse
These are all just ideas, am super open to feedback
This is genius. The final book will reveal a battle between the Chandrian and the tree-thingy. The singers I assumed was also a group, but I can see them passing the names like that. And the Amyr torturing The Chandrian also makes sense.
That's why, in my opinion, Cinder was slumming it with some bandits in the forest around Vintas. He wants the Lockless box. Because I think something about the box (seeing as how it's made of the same wood as the tree the ctheah is bound to) acts as a sympathetic binding. Open the box, free the Ctheah. Also explains why Cinder would have an interest in Kvothe (assuming the theories about Cinder being either Breton or Denna's patron) because, as the rhymes go, you need blood of a son to open it. Kvothe is the son of a Lackless, or so the theories say, so there you go.
The edema might be Linked to the amyr then?
Best theory I've read
My favorite bit of possible foreshadowing is when Kvothe cuts his hand on the Letantha. He raises his fist in the gesture "willing", and the blood runs down his hand like the marks of the Ciridae.
Yesss! Ah dang I wish I talked about that part in the video
Can’t believe you and Quinn are making videos together. I’m stoked for the future now.
You'd think between the two of them they'd figure out the correct way to pronounce the words they're saying
So excited to see more with the two of you working together. You two have very complimentary styles.
@Dus Bus I think a few things were pronounced wrong but not the majority of them.
These are pronunciations from Rothfuss's pronunciation video:
Cthaeh - k'THAY, rhymes with "okay"
Kvothe - kv'OATH, rhymes with "quoth" (not the EXACT same as quoth)
Amyr - EY-meer (not ah-MEER...)
Adem - EY-dem, rhymes with "pay them"
Ademre - EY-dem-RAY
Imre - im-REE, or im-RAY (fyi Toronto is "tuh-ranna"
Myr Tariniel - MEER TAR-in-ee-el
Tehlin - TEY-lin
Lanre - LAHN-ray,
Lyra - LEER-ah
@@CapturedInWords Gibea was also wrong he's a duke not a count
@@MendaSonOfMyself the video says duke tho, not count
What I love about how Patrick presented the Amyr is unlike any in a fantasy story that I know of. Usually a group that are a band of heroes or a secret order are presented in the story with their perspective on the matter of the world, but in the Kingkiller, it’s only Kvothe, so we get to see how characters outside of those usual protagonist reacts to their influence.
This is definitely one of the best lore videos you've done to date! I love the collab with Quinn.
Thank you!! Quinn's narration is incredible, really happy to collab with him
Love your kingkiller videos. Hope you do the wize man fear sumary like you did the name of the wind. They will blow up when doors comes out.
I'll definitely make a summary for Wise Man's Fear at some point!
This was going to be my suggestion as well, seconded!
I thought it was interesting how the little girl says the Amyr on the pot gave her “chills all over” and something similar was said of Dagon giving stapes a feeling of cold water being poured on him
Loving the idea that we're watching a hero falling into darkness in the pursuit of revenge
My money is on him saving the day still, but where would the drama be if it wasn't done at the edge of catastrophe?
I still reckon he'll save Lanre and save the Fae - he is the jedi that brings balance to the force
I just realized, that we only know two people playing/knowing Tak: Bredon and Felurian. Which could hint to the fact that the game itself is from the fea and so is Brendon. Also the fact that Kvothe, who outsmarts everyone in the whole series, is not able to beat Bredon even once in this game could hint to the fea and that the game itself follows different rules than his human mind could understand.
Damn Jay, this is incredible. Unbelievably well researched and presented! I might have to reread notw and awmf now for the millionth time.
Except the fact that many of the quotes were from TWMF and not from TNOTW as they were cited in the video, yeah, it was very well researched.
The quality and consistency of your Kingkiller Chronicle Lore videos is just tops. You feed my fandom while I patiently await the next installment with everyone else. Please don't stop what you're doing. You do the community a great service. Also, I really loved the video of your girlfriend sharing her thoughts on The Name of the Wind 🤗
These videos never cease to get my mind racing with ideas
After multiple multiple re reads I am starting to believe the singers, sithe and Amyr are all branches of the same tree. Stories hold their shape better in song so I believe Scarpie is more likely part of the singers. The Sithe is known for their deadly accuracy with their bows and the story of how the ademre started with archery leans my thought in that they are offshoots of the Sithe. Felurian saying there is no human Amyr lends us to believe they are a faction of the fey and how all stories blend and swirl over time it seems to be possible that they all are connected and over time stories have changed it into being multiple groups. I believe there is more to the disliking of singing by the Adem and that has to do with the “singers.” The story of the archers and their battle and their differences in teaching and legacy it seems that there is more to that as well. Even Kvothe talks with Bast about the Sithe having good intentions or does things for the “greater good” and how that is similar to the Amyr.
I also believe that there might be a tie to the singers and the see-ers. How puppet see things and how Elodin sees into Kvothe at times and focuses on how things are worded. How seeing things is a step to understanding and when you understand a thing you know it’s name and have power over it. The greatest of the Rue is known to the fey and I think that is a tie to how singers were part of the original group that split off into the three enemies of the chandrian.
There is still more to the knot magic theory and how Denna asks about a magic that is written and how Elodin talks of yillish knots being written long before people knew how to write. I think it is an older magic than naming and that what they write in knots becomes true which is why kvothe does or says what the knots say and why Denna is so quick to untie. I feel like the city or town of Yill was destroyed because of that power. I think the power might have to do with how the master fell ill towards the end of the second book. I think teaching kvothe how to read the knots caused something or someone to retaliate.
What if the "banished from our home" aspect of the story of the Adem Kvothe gets told is the dissolution of the Amyr and that, at least some of them, moved to what is now Ademre and started that society. "Taking the Red", being a just and righteous mercenary with a red icon (clothes vs tattoos), seems like a pretty strong link. I doubt the people in Ademre are still Amyr, but I bet at least some were at the start.
You should make a "KKC theories iceberg" video. People love that kinda content and I don't really see it anywhere else on TH-cam (at least not for KKC)
YES!
Haha that's funn you mention it, because I've already been thinking about making a Kingkiller iceberg video soon!
I would definitely put a pin on everything named “wind” in a book called “The Name of the Wind”!
Two of my favorite book channels combining forces at least for one video. Love both these channels so much.
Quinn knows his stuff when it comes to KKC. It is good to hear him again on this subject.
Super cool you and Quinn working together..havnt watched this yet but I'm excited. Was really happy to find all your content on the KKC. Literally nobody in my day to day life has read these stories and it's awesome to hear people that appreciate it as much as I do
They mayor theory is interesting but I'm convinced he will end up killing King Rodrick because the name of his sword means "The break in an Eld Vintic line" and if applied to a line of descendants, that would infer that his sword will be used to kill King Rodrick which could lead to a domino of events where Ambrose or his Dad ends us contesting for the throne and therefore causing the war.
I like that connection! I agree with you, it could likely be King Rodrick. I think that's actually the most plausible theory. I see a lot of people pointing out the poet-killer title to be connected with him killing Ambrose, though I think there's still a possibility it could be Alveron instead
@@CapturedInWords Vashet tells Kvothe in WMF whatever he tells her she has doubtlessly heard it from her poet king. Leaving me to think that Ambrose is not the poet king
I’m a bit late to this discussion, but I just watched your video and loved it!
Has anyone pointed out that Maer Alverons house colors are said to be sapphire and ivory, and that the soldiers' clothes in the frame story is described like this: “Dark spatters of rain spotted the fabric of their blue and white tabards”. This indicates that Maer Alveron might be the current king.
Seriously, nice plug - GGK is one of the most underappreciated writers in the genre.
His prose and flow are incredible.
I have a video suggestion for you. When Kvothe is giving the quick version of his life to Chronicler, he says he loved and was betrayed. He doesn't say he was betrayed by who he loved, though I guess one could interpret it that way. So the video would be who betrays Kvothe? Easy obvious answer is Denna, but that seems too obvious.
My guess? Fela. I know that's not a deep cut, but that's just my guess.
I LOVE hearing Quinn doing Kingkiller theories. Damn.
Super cool you had Quinn on, wasn’t expecting that!
Peace and wholeness fam
Thank you for reminding me about the release of a new GGK; under heaven is one of the best books i have read
I'm going to have to assume this video is great. Your editing and tone is always wonderful, but again, I'm not quite finished with The Wise Man's Fear, so it will be in my to watch list. And you got Quinns too. Damn.
My go-to channel for Kingkiller Chronicle content. Thank you!
I've been waiting for this video since 2018. Thanks!
A collaboration I wasn't expecting, but I'm truly grateful for! 🙏
Wonderful video, as always. I think you have perfected video production. It's so smooth. Also Quinn has a sonorous voice!
Quinn!!! My favorit audio book voice!!!
I absolutely love your kingkiller chronicles videos. Keep up the great work man
I'll take one video a day please! Joking as that's obviously unreleastic but i love and appreciate these so much. Thank you!
The guy doing the reading of the book excerpts has the most soothing voice. Can he just come read to me. My stress would melt away.
This is such an amazing videos. I love the editing and feel of it so much.
I'm looking so forward to this. I wish Rothfuss would finish his books.
Love your videos! Ever consider doing one on the parts Kvote glossed over? Namely his trial and the shipwreck?
Good points!
Oh shit, Quinn's here! Never in my life have I needed something so much, and never known until I received it.
I think puppet’s candles have sympathetic links to all of the fires/lamps on the campus to act as a tracking system throughout the university. Or maybe even other important locations further away.
i love your videos, im new to fantasy, but I'm already loving it!
Thank you, glad you're enjoying them! :)
Damn, Jay! This is one of your best videos so far. Amazing collaboration with Quinn!! Btw, is it just me or the link to the artworks doesn't work? Need to get some of these arts for my KKC collection!
Thanks Petrik!! Oh you're right the link was broken, just updated the link now! :) I still have some art credit to add later today
Quinn + you = perfect video synchronicity.
This is a superb video, so much detail. I seriously need to re-read these books it's been too long.
Thanks for watching! What I love about rereading these books, is that there's always some new detail or clue that reveals itself each time you read them
@@CapturedInWords Oh for sure! It's exciting to know that there are secrets and clues hidden that we won't know until we've read Doors of Stone. No one does it quite like Rothfuss.
After my third read through, I began to think that maybe the Amyr really are the bad guys, and the story Kvothe heard from Scarpi is not the complete truth.
What if the story Denna heard was closer to the truth, but "The Singers" twisted and changed the story in order to make The Seven seem like villains?
EDIT: as I continue to think on this and develop this theory, more things seem to fall into place. For instance, what if Skarpi is one of the "singers" that go about spreading the false story of Lanre. What if Selitos didn't turn down the offer to become an Amyr angel through the Ruach, but was denied the opportunity? And that's why he founded the order Amyr, because he was focused on making sure that the world knew Haliax was the "true villain."
It's been said before that history is written by the victor. What if this is an example of that?
The best part about this theory is that most people in the order will believe they are doing things for the greater good, when in reality, they are most likely serving the Cthaeh by being it's eyes, ears, hands, and mouth.
I was so excited to see this video!! Kingkiller lore and a collab with Quinn? Excellent video all around!
Thank you!! Quiinn is awesome, was super happy to collab with him
That irresistible voice got me into sci-fi!
I don't really know if it is relevant but "Aleph" is also the first letter of the hebrew alphabet ("א" or "אלף").
anyway, this video is amazing honestly, best theory video i have seen.
What a coincidence, I decide to see what's a on TH-cam about the Amyr, and by luck here's a brand new video!
Perfect timing!
The Amyr reminds me vaguely of the era of the judges in the Old Testament of the Bible. The story of the concubine and Levite beginning in Judges 17 is an example.
Amazing video!!! I’m surprised you never mentioned the time when Kvothe almost froze to death as a child in Tarbean, but was saved by the angel with wings of fire & shadow! Has to be related to the Amyr in my opinion. Nonetheless, awesome stuff 👏
Have you already done a video on the Edema Ruh being the Amyr? The Amyr/Ruach is definitely an idea I would like to see you discuss
hey man great work. Cant wait to see wise man's fear detailed video like you did the first book.. keep up the good work
Thank you! Yeah I'm hoping to get the wise man's fear summary up within the next 2 months!
Always thought that the whole open flame in the achrives was interesting too. Like in the Lackless rhyme that a candle is one of the things necessary to open the door. So maybe with Lorren already suspicious of him for looking into the Amyr, Kvothe bringing a flame and inquiring about the four plate door has made lorren even more suspicious of him.
If I had to prevent someone from opening the 4 plate door, I probably would have built a wall in front of it to hide the door's existence entirely.
Honestly I forgot a lot of the things you guys mentioned. Guess it's time for a re read 😅
Hey, since you asked for ideas, could you make a (full spoiler) video of the Skindancer in The Name of the Wind? Think there are many theories around that but almost no videos out there to discuss them!
First time on your channel. Production on point. And the goat Quinn's Ideas!! 🔥
Thanks for stopping by, happy you enjoyed the video! :)
I’m thinking about Stapes, Alverons manservant. Could he possibly be a traitor? There’s just this passage I find so strange, and it’s that he calls the Flint birds by their real names, wich is also the name of the royal line. Could this be a hint to him actually working for the royal line, and he was a part of the plot trying to kill Alveron?
You make the best Kingkiller lore videos.
I am gonna read those books again and again until the third book is published.
Perhaps puppet knows the name of fire as well and that’s also why he’s aloud candles
This book is the only thing I’m looking forward to in my life right now.
How about this? Kovthe is a singer/ and learned how to do it while he was alone in the woods learning to play what he saw and how he felt. He later uses it when he is fighting Felurian. It seems that a singer is just like a namer. But uses song to express the true workings of ones name
i’ve read kkc a couple of months ago, watched all your videos and somehow i already want to reread the books
One additional reason why Loreen could very well be an amyr: He does know Arliden the Bard, and specifically asks kvothe which Arliden Hes talking about when they meet the First Time.
Kvothe says That His father wasnt really known as "Arliden the Bard" so It Isnt too Off to assume lorren as one of the amyr inspected the Killing of kvothes group Afterwards and thats why lorren knows the Name of kvothes father.
One reason more to watch Out for him because lorren knows the Connection between kvothe and the chandrian because of that.
At 6.50 it wasn't the amyr who burned the dukes place to the ground. The Duke was more than likely an Amyr himself as kvothe suspects
Yes the Duke was a secret Amyr, however, it was the Amyr that went against him, this is a quote from WMF chapter 41: “When the Amyr moved against the duke, they found the bones of twenty thousand people. Great pits of bones and ashes. Women and children. Twenty thousand!” Simmon sputtered a bit before he could continue. “And those are just the ones they found.”
So I think perhaps there were still members of the Amyr that were trying to keep order and justice despite other members doing terrible things in the name of the greater good
Thanks for putting together such great kkc content. Always a blast.
great collaboration. Two of my favorite 'Tubers
Love this lore! Also love how meticulous your edits are. Always such quality content.
I think Sim was more troubled but because his family might be in the bodies. But that is family was complicit in the Counts actions.
They aided him in his activities. They would have to be. They had power in that area.
Awesome to see two of my favorite youtubers collaborate :)
It's a long shot, but could Trapis be an Amyr?
Addicted to king killer theories, I need more books for the love of god
How about this? Denna asks if there's a magic where you can write something down and make it come true. What if Yllish knots work like that? Denna puts "beautiful" in Yllish knots in her hair and everyone thinks she's beautiful.
Anyhow, when he's examining the Lockless box, Kvothe says he can feel some old carvings, possibly Yllish. What if there's a Yllish knot carved into the box that says "lock" and to unlock it you have to finish the carving to make it say "lockless"?
Id absolutely love a Wise Man's Fear recap before Doors of Stone Releases!!
Some theorize that Bredon is Cinder because of how Kvothe dances around Cinder's true name, Ferule, when coming up with a name for Denna's patron, how Bredon also wears the color of cinders (grey, black), and Denna's injuries looking like she's been beaten with a stick.
Wow i didnt know Quinn was into KKc Thats awesome
I am so here for this...the second l saw this l was just like yeah ...mhm hmm
Woohoooo love it
Although off topic, I have a Theory I would like to put out there for you to maybe discuss @Captured in Words
What if temerant is one of the realms of existence like heaven earth and hell, but in the book it's either hell or earth and in this realm the spirit of jax is imprisoned. What if this spirit is reborn time and time again, only so that it forgets who it truly is and the chandrian are like guardians of this realm, protecting the spirit of jax from ever remembering who it truly is. Maybe when Kvothe (a reincarnation of said spirit) will open the doors of stone he will free himself from this realm and so to say open the gates of hell. Later when realizing what his now awoken soul really is, he imprisons himself again in the waystone inn.
As it seems so far and adding the information together, looks like Kvothe is going through more magic learning (or remembering/awakening) phases. He first learns Tier 1 stuff at the University (the magic of men), then Tier 2 is naming (the magic of namers aka angels), which he learns by traveling the world and Tier 3 will be shaping (maybe taught by Auri when he will maybe live in the underthing) (the magic of fallen angels or demons). What if the whole journey is him remembering that he was once this devil like soul (maybe encanis ?) that keeps reincarnating in jax and other characters. What if the tarborlin prophecy is also left out there as a breadcrumb trail for (and by) this devil-like soul to be guided into remembrance (since, oddly, the story isn't known in the faen realms). What if the chandrian are protecting maybe some ritual through which they captured it and the amyr, although enemies of the chandrian, also want to keep it secret since it is for the greater good.
It doesn't make complete sense but, all in all, I have a feeling that there is a lot of bible symbolism where the fall of men is through knowledge (the truth will se you free - valaritas) and later maybe similar to the middle ages this knowledge is kept hidden as it is the fruit of the devil, kept away from all by a secret church sect. Maybe a mirror play of jesus going to to open the gates of hell for the innocent, kvothe opening the doors of stone will be the reverse of this.
He isn't just becoming an Amyr. Kvothe is descended FROM them. From the true Amyr, the Ruach.
If you're looking for more KingKiller Chronicles video ideas, I have a couple. I would like to see a presentation on the story from Ambrose's point of view. I feel that he gets an unfairly bad rap based on the enemyship between him and Kvothe. Also, it would be interesting to explore the reasons why people everywhere seem to have a negative impression of the Rou. Kvothe seems to insist that his people have more or less never done anything wrong, but nevertheless most groups of people from all over the world seem to share the same negative opinion of them. It would be interesting to explore this a little deeper.
This is so great! I love you Quinn! You need to get LmL into this series :D I don't think he digs it too much, but not sure if he has read it?
Unleashing lml on this series could bring up so many interesting and or disturbing things. His search for symbolism is a sword without hilt but so damned fascinating ^^
@@SingingSealRiana Totally agree!!
I just love this kind of content. Thank you!
I love your videos so much! I will be going to Bristol Renaissance Faire as one of the Amyr this weekend! Where do you get your background music from?
There should be a special version of KKC bundled with these videos and your commentary, just saying... makes me appreciate the books even more.
OMG talk about the QNA Pat did on Twitter!
Amazing video! Lot's of work!
Would you consider making an in-depth summary for the wise man's fear, as you did for the name of the wind? I loved those 2 vids. Thanks!
Thank you! I'll definitely be making an in-depth summary for Wise Man's Fear as well, I'm currently rereading it to prepare for that video
I think it's very important to keep in mind that there is very little information that we the audience can know to be the unalloyed truth. The only things we actually *know* are the events in the frame story as that is the closest we can get to seeing something objectively. Many of the stories about ancient events are very probably wrong, lies, greatly adapted by time and bias, or misrepresented. One of the first things Kvothe tells Chronicler is that he is going to editorialize the story to make it a better *story*, and says that he will drop things, embellish details, or otherwise bend the truth if it makes a better story.
All that said, the truth of the nature of the Amyr, their origins, who are among their number, and what their goals are are almost certainly a deeply uncomfortable mix of all the information we are working with and then some. For instance, I believe the Amyr's origins go back to the events described in Old Holly, later going on to be the horn bow-wielding sentinels that supposedly guard the tree that houses/imprisons the Cthaeh. As others became infected by the meddling of the Cthaeh (or possibly literally infected in a more parasitic way), the Amyr recruited humans. These humans integrated themselves in every level of society, typically in positions of authority or as authority's right hand. From there things developed largely along the lines laid out by Kvothe's research.
In regards to Caudicus, I find it much more likely that he was either an actor or just someone otherwise operating at the behest of an Amyr handler. He had a gram that Kvothe assumed was a gilder and could have very easily been taught how to make one or two concoctions, but otherwise had no earthly idea what he was doing. When rumor got around about Kvothe "writing a book", his handler instructed him to try and bait Kvothe in, but Caudicus himself was at bottom of the puppet strings.
ONE OF US NEED TO WRIGHT THE 3 ED BOOK ON OUR OWN IT MUST BE DONE
I think it's possible Ben has some connection to the Amyr.
Felurian told us that there were never any human Amyr. The humans whom called themselves Amyr sound like powerful people who abused their power and were not actually 'Amyr'. The Amyr, I believe were fey and therefore they're either behind the doors of stone, which I believe could be a doorway to the equivalent of Fey prison.
Kvothe brings a bloody hand back from the sword tree at his trial in Haert - more Amyr foreshadowing.
Not sure if you’re going to see this comment as this video is 2 years old. I wasn’t going to mention anything but when you spoke about the ruac being a Hebrew word that means wind, i had to say something. The Hebrew word is Ruach (ch pronounced as the sound you make when you’re trying to call up flegm from the back of you’re throat, there’s no better way to describe it lol) but the word ruach is also the name of the second level of the soul that is responsible for emotions. Another interesting thing to note is that in Kabbalah (Jewish mysticism) there is an idea of naming. In that everything is made of words with the Hebrew letters, and when you change something spiritually, the letters of the word are permeated and the definition changes, thereby changing it spiritually which can have affects physically. I remember reading a few other parts that struck me as having Jewish sources while reading the book. Just an interesting thought.
Very interesting!! Thanks for sharing, I've done some research on the Kabbalah in the past but have since forgotten a lot about it, but I think Rothfuss likely drew some inspiration from it
@@CapturedInWords there’s definitely some Jewish inspiration. The name for god he uses is Aleph. Aleph is the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which corresponds with the number 1. It signifies unity. The pieces that create the letter are 2 others that total 26 which is the numerical value of the name of god. I’ve only done 1 read through of the books so far ( took me like a week they’re so good) but I’m consuming as much content as I can. As well as starting the books for a second time. I’ll update here if I do find anything else that strikes me as being inspired from it. Figuring out where he draws his inspiration from might tell us a lot about some deep plot points that may be going unnoticed.
Yessss my dude Quinn