This video is sponsored by 10x Network! Book a free informational call today! www.10x-network.com/ What do you think of the theories I went over? Let me know what Kingkiller video you'd like to see next! Table of Contents: Intro - 0:00 Sponsor - 1:46 Introduction/Appearance - 3:01 Satyrs/Pan - 4:01 Bastet Egyptian Goddess - 5:01 Bast's age - 5:22 How did they meet?/Reshi menaing - 6:09 What is Bast learning? - 7:11 Alchemy - 8:55 Faen Nobility/Telwyth Mael - 10:06 Bast is Kvothe's son theory - 12:01 Bast is related to Elodin - 13:32 Remmen is Taborlin - 14:09 Bast's Motivation - 15:57
Great job with the theories and the channel!! I have a other theorie about Bast however. I Believe that Bast is Kvothe's father. The Edema Ruh camp often allongside greystones which we all know are actually waystones to the fae en vise versa. Therefore it is possible that that bast at one time met Kvothe's mother and seduced her. This also ties in quite nicely with the moment in book one where Arliden's jokingly questions Kvothe's parentage by asking Laurien if she slept with a god or something. It would also explain his almost fatherly love and protectiveness regarding Kvothe. That also explains Bast's secretive demeanor because he knows how much pride Kvothe takes in him being of the Adema Ruh, and the origin of Kvothe's strange fae features. also, I believe strongly that the Adema Ruh and the Adem (of the nation Ademre) are historrically related, just as the Aiel and the Tuatha'an are in the wheel of time. Hunted travellers with a close connection to the fae would explain a lot of the adem culture. Question, do you think it is possible that by stealing the moon the world in the kinkiller novel's is in a sort of time reapeting time lapse ever since? Time seems to play a central role in the books (excuse me for my bad english, I am Dutch).
Thank you! That definitely could be! I do think Kvothe is part fae, I feel like the story hints at that on several occasions. It would explain his dramatic fey-like temper with eyes that change color due to his moods. It would also explain his red hair since genetically speaking it's pretty tough to get red hair from two parents who don't have red hair. I remember somewhere in the books it's mentioned that red-haired children were once burned for being demons (and we know in this world there are no demons, just fae). So unexplained red-headedness could be caused by fae-human parentage. For all we know Reshi could be a loving term used between a father and son, and that could be why Bast cares so much for Kvothe. I actually like the theory that Bast is his father more than the other way around. Another thought I just had, is that Remmen might be Kvothe's father which would make Bast his bro that he's trying to introduce to the human world. I like your thoughts on the Edema Ruh and Adem being connected, this is something I've always thought as well. I think they share the same ancestors. It's interesting that the Adem view music in such a fundamentally opposite way to the Ruh. Even using excessive facial expressions is considered barabaric to the Adem, which leads me to believe that the Edema Ruh were those who chose to rebel and ended up as singers and performers. Interesting, I never thought about time repeating itself in the Kingkiller chronicle due to the moon being stolen, but I think that definitely could be a possibility. I've been wondering lately if maybe the stories about Taborlin are actually prophetic. People have been telling all these stories about Taborlin, and Kvothe is slowly checking them off because he's the one that the prophecy is talking about. Idk. I think a lot of the stories and characters mirror one another, I'm not sure if this is due to time literally repeating itself, reincarnation, or if it's just a story telling device Rothfuss is using to get people thinking.
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I was just wondering if you where going to make a wise mans fear video like this one. I watch your name of the wind pt 1 and 2 on repeat because Its a wonderful overview of the first book and I wanted to know if you have that planned or if you are waiting for the 3rd book.
Dude, I bet you have tempted him to break his NDA more than once 🤣. I'm sure he watches all of them, probably pleased to see the fruits of his misdirection.
@@josiahpaulthompson Rothfuss don’t realy know how to end the story and watches/reads Fan Theories to know what to do - I am not really against it. That would make it even more like a fairytale (!), as a Story told from meany perspectives ❤
I know this is the Bast video, but the mention of Taborlin reminded me of something I had thought of a while back. I have a theory about Taborlin that I haven't seen genuinely reflected upon. Taborlin is not an ancient figure, but a prophesied one. All the stories of Taborlin are told in the past tense, but one of the single most integral parts of the world is that lingual drift is a huge problem for keeping a narrative coherent. I tried charting out all the languages as much as I could and there are a huge amount of loan words, derivations, etc. This relates to Taborlin's story in that if Taborlin's story was prophesized by an ancient figure, (for path of least resistance, let's say The Cthaeh) thousands of years ago, then over time the person who heard that story would tell it to whoever would listen. Those people might repeat it, even just as an account of something they heard from a crazy guy they met in the woods. Over time, future tense became past tense and across various translations of the story, nuance was lost. The prologue of Doors of Stone mentions a tabor beat, a term I hadn't heard before. I looked it up and found that a tabor is an archaic term for a snare drum, so Taborlin is derived from tabor line, like a drum line or drum beat. This leads me to believe that "Taborlin the Great" is a mistranslation of a term that more literally means "great rolling drum beat", a phrase that is evocative of the sound of rolling thunder that accompanies distant thunder. As trite as it is, I believe Taborlin is a foretelling of Kvothe because it seems more likely that he is ticking boxes of a prophecy than coincidentally having so many parallels with an ancient hero.
I really like this theory! I've wondered if maybe Kvothe is a reincarnation of Taborlin, but I like your idea that the stories of Taborlin are actually prophecy and Kvothe is checking off the list. It doesn't actually seem that far fetched. I noticed the mention of 'tabor beat' in the prologue as well and thought about Taborlin but I like the way that you connect it. Awesome theory!
'Strictly Fantasy', another You-tuber, did a video, 'True Identity of Taborlin The Great?' back in mid-2020 presenting the same theory - that Taborlin is really a prophesy; or rather a tale created in the past to nudge Kvothe's choices in the future.
And maybe the Cthae inspired [whoever started singing songs about Taborlin] to do so? In order to nudge Kvothe's towards what eventually would be the most disastrous choices?
Dude! Thanks for continuing to put out such quality videos on Kingkiller Chronicles. You have been instrumental in my enjoyment and appreciation of these books. You reveal so many little things I would have never caught. Always makes me stoked to get notified that you have new content up.
Super happy to hear that! I originally started making these videos because I love this series and I didn't see many lore or theory videos for it, which is something I really wanted to watch. I was surprised nobody was making theory videos when there's so much to talk about, so I'm happy that I've been able to make those videos myself and that fellow Kingkiller fans can enjoy them :)
I've always though that Bast's motivation is that he is in love with Kvothe, he always speaks of him so highly and warmly. Him being Fae, maybe by the third book we get a translation of reshi, Rothfuss has always been cheeky about what that means. The main piece of evidence is how he refers to Kvothe as "his" which only Denna and Felurian do. And in one of his streams Pat said something about how he wished he included more LGBT characters but how he had a few we didn't know about (honestly that was years ago and by then I already had this theory in mind).
could be very well be true. Heroworship and being his son both do not really work in my eyes and as a creature driven by desire and with a tendency towords selfishness being willing to take someones pain and wound . . . thats quite a display of love. There was no need to do that, he did not gain anything from it, it did not serve the goal of turning Kvothe back into who he had been . . . it was plain caring for him and guilt, which is extreamly hard to inflict on a fay
It always stuns me how many few people have this theory. It was painfully obvious to me that Bast is in love with Kvothe. Not "painfully obvious" as in "ho ho, I know for sure I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a dummy", but as in "this is so close to how I feel when I deeply fall in love with someone that I can't think of any other possible outcome and wonder why is such an uncommon thought", if that makes sense.
@@ninottorracastanyes8996 yeah, feel you there. The he is his child theory is very wonkey thinking it through and as we learned from the fae, they are mostly selfish beings with their actions dedicated by desire with little concept of morality. The fact that he percives harm to himself as the lesser evil to his reshi being hurt is a very big thing. He showes open dislike against Denna that looks quite a lot like jalousy. the argument that he cant be in love, for he is interessted in women does not hold water either. Yes, he does, but love and sex apear as very seperate concepts to him/fae/in the story. Kvothe makes clear between him and felurian was no love, Bast shows no romantic interest in any woman and in "the lightning tree" he tries to set up Kvothe with a girl he himself slept with . . . what pisses him of about denna is the emotional investment. whatever it is a romantic crush or not, he very clearly loves kvothe more then anything
Bast is the son of Felurian, obviously. As for Remmen being Taberlain the Great, I'm not liking it. I think that Bredon is Remmen and since they were friends, of a sort, I think Bast is learning from his father's friend in a 'fostering' sor t of way. I used to think that Bast Was Bredon but since I favor Bredon for being the patron of Denna, I don't think Bast was that, since he was only supposed to ahve 'seen' her, not been close to her. If his father was her patron, though, it would make sense that he could have seen her once... I think Kvothe has finally learned how to Play a Beautiful Game. I think he knows that Bast will 'betray' him with the best of intentions and he is using that for a piece of the puzzle that is his master plan. Basically, Bast will betray Kvothe in hopes of sparking him back to the way he was... Kvothe knows this and it is part of his actual plan. The victim of his real plan, Lanre I suspect, will follow those clues that Bast is leaving out there and think he is going to finally do away with Kvothe, but he will fall into the trap of the Waystone inn... a place where Fae can actually Die. That is the reason why the Skin changer didn't 'smoke out' at the end. It couldn't, and now Kvothe knows his trap works but he played dumb about it. In fact, I think he intentionally lured an enemy fae to his inn to test the theory of his design. He didn't intend for the innocent guy to die but his plan is more important. Kvothe pretended not to know how 'bad' the Cthaeh is but i think he knew all along and has planned for it. I suspect that the waystone Inn's special qualities are a blind spot for the Cthaeh too In fact, it is possible that the Cthaeh is the actual main antagonist as it put Lanre on the path to be Haleax in the first place. Kvothe might actually blame the Cthaeh for his parent's deaths now and it may be the ultimate target of his trap...
Also kvothe does sound very sincere and as will always says "he sounds more sincere than that when he lies." This makes me want to look for every moment in which kvothe is being portrayed as sincere
The top Kingkiller TH-cam channel strikes again! Excellent theories, you always bring up hidden gems in the writing, things I forgot, or new ideas I’ve never heard. These books are amazing but you enrich them even more!
So true! He's enriched these books for me so much! I probably would have forgotten a lot of things and moved on to other series, but his theory videos always keep me coming back and opens my eyes to just how awesome these books are and how many possibilities there are. Captured in Words deserves so many more subs!
Bast is wonderfully enigmatic, I loved seeing more from him in the Lightning Tree. It'll be great to find out some more about him in book 3. Brilliant videos as always, some interesting theories here. I think whatever way it goes Bast must have known of Kvothe before he met him, so the son theory could be an interesting avenue, or he's been sent by Felurian to check up on him
I really enjoyed reading about him in The Lightning Tree as well, he's a very fun character to read. One of the things I'm most excited to find out with book 3 is how Kvothe and Bast met! I agree, I think Bast definitely knew about Kvothe beforehand. I think it's also possible that Bast is the demon Kvothe needs to trick before he gains his hearts desire. And possibly he tricked Bast into being his loyal servant/apprentice. Whatever way it goes, I'm excited for the day when I finally get to find out
You mentioned Kvothe can be childish and that he has a good relationship with the kids in town and this reminded me how funny I find the fact that these kids are directly related to his idea of bringing Chronicler to Reshi. As you said, it's hinted in the books that it was Bast who leaked info to lure a writer over, but in The Lightning Tree we get how his idea appears. A kid named Kostrel gets mad at Bast for being vague with the answers he wants to get about the fae and tells Bast “Well maybe you should just write a book then (...)That’s what people do when they know every damn thing, isn’t it? They write it down so they can show off" And there's when Bast stops for a second to think if it’s worth the try 😂 I also find endearing how this seems to hint that Bast thinks Kvothe knoes "every damn thing". He really really sees him in a high standard. I hope we can learn more of this in the future...
Because of what Bast says at the start of first book about mortals lives being like a small flame that could go out. This makes it sound like Bast's soul is like a flame that never goes out. So the key to the ever burning lamp could be the soul of a Fey.
I find it super interesting how it linked to Irish Folklore. I always thought Felurian was inspired by the Leanan Sidhe. A fairy that seduced mortal men, specifically artist, and for a time would inspire them to create great works of art. But she'd eventually drain them of all happiness and they'd die. I don't know if she was really part of Irish Folklore or if Yeats' simply made her up and claimed she was part of their lore. "Death is no escape from her. She is the Gaelic muse, for she gives inspiration to those she persecutes. The Gaelic poets die young, for she is restless, and will not let them remain long on earth-this malignant phantom."
Yesss same here! I think that Felurian was inspired from Leanan Sidhe as well as succubi legends in general. I believe Yeats popularized the mythology of this fairy but it origins are in Irish lore 🤔 Within the next few months I definitely want to make a video on Felurian and the Fae Realm! :)
Jay, I've been waiting for this video for a while and you didn't disappoint me - you never have! The amount of research you do for us is amazing! Thanks for that. Hmm, Elodin and Bast...maybe. Kvothe and Felurian...not sure about that. Tarbolin and Bast...nah, too much. I really hope Rothfuss watches your videos. He must either laugh at all your theories or hate you for finding out so much before his last book!! Great video, once again. ♡
I had wondered if Bast is the "demon" Kvothe had to trick to get his heart's desire. We see Kvothe playfully calling Bast a demon and then the reaction of Chronicler trying to bind him with iron. Maybe Kvothe made a deal (tricked) Bast similar to his arrangement with Felurian to win.
I believe he is! I actually had that quote written down in my notes and completely forgot to mention it in the video, but I do believe that Bast is the demon he tricked. Maybe he even tricked Bast into becoming his apprentice or to loyally follow him. A lot of people think the demon is Devi, which is another possibility but I'm leaning more towards it being Bast
Honestly, I hung on to every word of this video like it was next breathe. I love you! My theory on Bast would be that maybe Kvothe is legendary in the from his time spent there, so much so that Bast grew up his whole life hearing about him? Maybe calling Felurians name was known to be impossible in the Fae right? So for decades his story rang whilst only being like 2 years or so, and Bast just thinks he’s this Taborlin and Kvothes actually just trying to retire from a life of danger. Holy shit what if it is Felurians son and he went off to find Kvothe, but Kvothe doesn’t want to go back to the Fae so he just changed his name and hoped he wouldn’t have to come back to her because she wouldn’t find him. And then Bast is like “dude Felurian loved that guy, this is NOT that guy”
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! :D That's an awesome theory, I could see something like that being a possibility for sure! Can't wait to find out more about how Bast and Kvothe meet in book 3!
I've always loved your videos. To be honest, I was starting to feel like you were going to run out of kkc content or that it would be less interesting. And while I fancy myself a kkc guru, I learned a lot of new stuff and am about to listen again because I missed a few things. :) thank you man!
I'm glad you were able to learn some new stuff from the video! I keep thinking I'll run out of Kingkiller content too, but then I remember the long list of videos I still want to make 😂 - Is Kvothe a Mary Sue? - Kingkiller's Guide to Naming - The History of Temerant - The Fae Realm | Felurian, Skindancers, Cthaeh, The Sithe - Tinkers in The Kingkiller Chronicle - Is Kvothe a Sociopath? - Elodin | Character Analysis - Who are the Amyr? - The Wise Man's Fear In-Depth Summary - Music in The Kingkiller Chronicle - The Lackless Family & The Loeclos Box - What's Inside the Thrice-Locked Chest? - The Third Silence & Kvothe's Curse That's to name a few! Still so many topics I need to touch on!😊
2 kdramas I want to watch have new episodes out, F4Thailand is wrapping up, I'm participating in two readathons that are doing sprints right now and what am I doing? To be fair, King Killer Chronicle lore will always take me away from anything else. I was told that I was weird for caring about who and what Chronicler is, but he and Bast fascinate me most because they're so close to Kvothe's secrets and I think both are important.
Amazing Video however in the intro you mention a theory that Basst is Kvothe and Fillorian’s son, just wondering if you saw the clip of pat Rothfuss doing a Q&A about book 3 and confirming we will have a chapter in which we meet B’asst’s father
So glad that this channel exists! I just finished books 1 and 2, as well as The Slow Regard of Silent Things! Now I will have the refuge of great videos like this to ease my book hangover haha
I've enjoyed and appreciated this channel (blog? commentary? etc.) for over a year now. THANK YOU for continuing your work, sharing your insights etc. BREAK BREAK I hope that Patrick Rothfuss finishes this series sooner rather than later.. I'll wait. And wait... :)
Thanks for sticking around and watching my videos for so long! I appreciate it, and definitely have lots more Kingkiller Chronicle videos I intend on making :) Haha yes I hope he finishes sooner than later too
just like to say that telwyth mael could also be a people given the context. for example you could say he is prince of the twilight and the free humans referring to a people not a place.
Has anyone else noticed the when you take Kvothe and make it Kote, the letters that get removed sound similar to the Ademic word for submission or defeat? “Vh!”
Next video suggestion: Did Lady Lackless know that Kvothe is her nephew? She did meet him once as a boy. She did show him the box. And she was all too willing to be rid of him when he couldn't open it.
Thanks for the suggestion! I've been thinking of making a updated video on the Lackless rhyme in the future and I feel like this would be the perfect video to bring up the details you mentioned!
I don't think so. Kvothe would've only been a young boy when he met her, so I personally think it's more likely that she just doesn't recognise him. (Also, she is mentioned to be considerably younger than Mayor Alveron, so it's possible she was only a child herself when she met Kvothe). I think she was just genuinely offended when she found out Kvothe was Edema Ruh.
Unless she’s refusing to believe it she just know. Depending on how old Kvothe was during the visit, it is likely she knows that she at least has an Edema Ruh nephew with red hair around sixteen years old.
Is there another / are there other Rothfuss books I’ve not seen ? I know he added a short story to a collection and it was all about Bast and some very good deeds. Still looking for my copy!
I believe elodin is taborlin. There are many parallels and I'll have to write them up and come back with them all. ( I've done it before just have to dig up notes) but I think elodin has stories about him similar to how kvothes embellished stories are. Elodin is master at names, he knows Adam hand talk, and recognizes his cloak from felurian and isn't shocked at all. traveled far and powerful and much more
I like they idea of kvoth being a singer and bast being his apprentice singer, like the enemy of the chandrian. Bast does mention at one point aboit how he would rather fight all the chandrian at once then meet the kthae.. ( something along those lines) Maybe thats what he is training to do. Fight the chandrian. Also cinder says " somebodies parents where singing entirely the wrong kinds of songs" maybe some of the roo are singers, especially the troop leaders. And maybe they sing to let the world know about the chandrian because if the chandrian ever where forgotten their curse would be lifted... i dont know just throwing out therious
doors of stone ends with bast and kvothe playing catch as father and son with the music swelling and felurian looking on from a waystonne portal. roll credits.
It wouldn't make sense that he is imprisoning himself to limit the ctaeh's influence. From the way he and Bast talked after that part of his story , it shows he didn't truly understand what the Ctaeh was.
Me too! I find it interesting that one of the fae playing cards depicts Kvothe and Denna in the fae realm. I Think they both travel there together, and Bast is the 'demon' that Kvothe needs to trick to get his heart's desire
Bast freaking out over the Cthaeh and Felurian not is in my eyes indication, that Bast actualy cares about Kvothe so he is horrefied, that he met it, for what that means for him.
Always thought the Eolien was named after the musical Mode of the same name. Disappointing but interesting to hear it was based on geek mythology instead. Good video as always my dude ✌
Oh I was totally unaware of that! This probably is what Rothfuss had in mind, since Aeolian mode was named after Aeolis (the floating island protected by the Greek God Aeolus) so it all links together!
Awesome video Jay! I’ve always loved Bast, and had a hard time pinning down who exactly he is. This was really helpful. I do think it a strong theory that Taborlin and Remmen are the same person. Hard to say though.
I am new to kingkiller, and have only gone through it once. There were a lot of things that went over my head. And a lot of stuff I forgot. I haven’t seen any theories about the series yet, but the two theories I had were: Reshi means father, and Bast is the son of Kvothe and the Faelurian. I mean he could easily have grown up before leaving that realm and time will have passed for him differently. The other one i was less convinced with but had an idea was the person who plays all the games with Kvothe in wisemansfear being denna’s patron?
I read both books and was never a big fan of Kvothe..so it was hard for me to enjoy the books. But, all of your content is pushing me to perhaps give the books a second chance.
Is bast being controlled by a skin dancer, maybe even the Cthaeh itself. Bast sent people on a path to bring chronicler to the waystone. That is something the Cthaeh would do. If Kvothe bound the Cthaeh by giving up two letters of his name then the Cthaeh would seek him out to unbind himself. This goes along with Bast's secret intentions. To restore Kote's name and unlock the thrice looked chest. Would be a good ending to the doors of stone.
Why is kvothe trying to lock himself away so the effects of the cathae can't get out a theory when it's not until the second book that kvothe truly understands the danger of the cathae?
Explain to me please, at the beginning of Jay's video, how do we know Bast "killed" the soldiers at the end of WMF? I obviously knew that Bast didn't approve of what they did, but it just ends with him saying the poem. What did I miss about that that suggests he killed them?
I think it's pretty clear he kills them. About the rhyme, I took it as a sort of fae version of 'eeny meeny miny moe'. He first uses it to decide which drink to pick and later to decide which soldier to attack first. He's pointing a burning branch back and forth between them as he sings it. In the next chapter there are sounds described coming from outside the inn, one 'something almost like the far-off shrieking of an owl'. I believe that was the soldier screaming as Bast attacked him.
Yeah, the eeny meeny miny moe makes complete sense. I've never "read" this book but I have listened to the audio book at least 8x and, I think, the more I listened to it the more "numb," I guess you could say, I got when it came to that part, skipping over it in my mind. I remember thinking in the beginning that he killed them but I guess I analyzed it a bit too much and sort of talked myself out of that later on, thinking "well, we don't actually really know what happens for sure." So when Jay mentioned it, I was like "wait, that was my orignal thought as well," but I couldn't remember exactly why. Anyow, much appreciated!
@@vino3741 rationalising it away is tempting cause, he is with the hero, he is supposed to be a "good person" and murdering people for upsetting him does not a pear moraliy right. But he is a fae and they really do not have it with the concept of morals. Like the chronicler was warned, do not feel safe thinking of him as a human for he is not.
l think Jay is just smart enough not to mistake Bast for the mask that he wears.....kidding,its an assumption that l myself also made because of how eerie and pissed Bast is -- he didnt want those 2 thugs to hurt Kvothe but they took it too far but besides that Bast is willing to betray Kvothes location to “bring Kvothe back” but hes so afraid of Kvothe knowing that he does--would he leave two hooligans to aimlessly roam around and one day decide to either try Robbing Kvothe again or plain telling him the truth?....he might not have harmed them maybe taken their memories away(if he could) had they not wounded Kvothe and then laughed at him
00:28 "to hide the destructive influence of the Cthaeh" -- well it can't be that, he learned about said influence during day two of the frame story. He didn't know about it when he became Kote. There is absolutely no way that can be the reason. In the timeline, until book 3 is released and time starts moving for the characters again, he learned this information *literally today*.
What if the Amyr are not only one race or peoples but a group from all corners of the world and Bast is one of them. And trying to bring Kvothe back to his old self is part of what they see of "doing the greater good".
Brother you need to finish Lightbringer. I promise it will be as good to you as Kingkiller, cept its actually finished. Also, bonus point. Not as heavily talked about by booktubers.
Brent weeks needs a story plotter and a good editor. Great ideas… that go nowhere, incredible scenes, that end up meaning nothing in the overall story, great characters, that never get complete arcs and fizzle out. Maybe I’m spoiled by Jordan/Sanderson/Rothfus
@@olivellanarrowboat4319 Agreed, and i think some part of me...being a long time sanderson fan, kinda let a lot of that fall under the "maybe hes making his own cosmere" thoughts. But even then sandersons books feel fulfilled without needing to know too much about the cosmere. Where as weeks opened up whole new world ideas only to leave them sitting on the stove. i guess i figured he would always revisit the universe and readdress it.
@@sentient.ball.of.stardust Maybe its been a bit since i have finished it, but i remember really liking it. but i do remember a lot of the branch idea/worlds he had started to explore being left open.
I don’t think so When bast and the chronicle talked about the caeteh bast said he would rather face the chandrian and heliax himself then to speak the caeteh 10 words
We don't know about how biology works between faens and mortals but Bast being Kvothe's son is genetically impossible, yes he has black hair and blue eyes just like Felurian but he is dark skinned, not pale, and Pat mentioned it a billion of times, in other hand, we have Elodin, who is familiar to Fae, who is part Faen, who is dark skinned. Felurian don't knows about Taborlin the great, because Elodin/Taborlin, is known as Remmen in her universe. He changed his name several times so he is a goddamn proffesional name-changer. I also still think Bast and Kvothe are related somehow, I mean, "Elodin", "Taborlin", "Remmen", all these sound really similar to "Arliden" Pat knows how to play a beautiful game after all. Sithe, Amyr, Singers, If they are all 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗹𝘆,-oh my shit, they are all 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗹𝘆. Plus, no one noticed this mythical foreshadowing so I will say it, Bast, Egyptian godess of cats, her dutie was fighting with the god of chaos, a 𝘀𝗻𝗮𝗸𝗲 who was 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗱 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 by Ra. Well, this fact explains a bunch of things you guys did not notice. Ctaeh is a snake-like creature as it seems, he can 𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘀, (for more information you should watch Jay's theory videos about Ctaeh.) Patrick Rothfuss is trying to make us realize why Bast is so obsessed with the subject of Ctaeh. Him fighting with Ctaeh symbolise 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝗦𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗲!
I use Adobe Premiere for all the basic editing, but for the 3D like slideshows (such as at the very beginning of this vid) I use Adobe After Effects :)
...sorry about going on a tangent... But... What is the name of the song that's playing at the end? (During the...credits, last 30 seconds of the video...)
He's not studying alchemy. He's reading amyr history from the yllish knots in the scroll work. If the book is the same as the one that was given to devi, it has connections to the mayor and thus, the Amyr.
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Table of Contents:
Intro - 0:00
Sponsor - 1:46
Introduction/Appearance - 3:01
Satyrs/Pan - 4:01
Bastet Egyptian Goddess - 5:01
Bast's age - 5:22
How did they meet?/Reshi menaing - 6:09
What is Bast learning? - 7:11
Alchemy - 8:55
Faen Nobility/Telwyth Mael - 10:06
Bast is Kvothe's son theory - 12:01
Bast is related to Elodin - 13:32
Remmen is Taborlin - 14:09
Bast's Motivation - 15:57
Great job with the theories and the channel!! I have a other theorie about Bast however. I Believe that Bast is Kvothe's father. The Edema Ruh camp often allongside greystones which we all know are actually waystones to the fae en vise versa. Therefore it is possible that that bast at one time met Kvothe's mother and seduced her. This also ties in quite nicely with the moment in book one where Arliden's jokingly questions Kvothe's parentage by asking Laurien if she slept with a god or something. It would also explain his almost fatherly love and protectiveness regarding Kvothe.
That also explains Bast's secretive demeanor because he knows how much pride Kvothe takes in him being of the Adema Ruh, and the origin of Kvothe's strange fae features.
also, I believe strongly that the Adema Ruh and the Adem (of the nation Ademre) are historrically related, just as the Aiel and the Tuatha'an are in the wheel of time. Hunted travellers with a close connection to the fae would explain a lot of the adem culture.
Question, do you think it is possible that by stealing the moon the world in the kinkiller novel's is in a sort of time reapeting time lapse ever since? Time seems to play a central role in the books (excuse me for my bad english, I am Dutch).
Thank you! That definitely could be! I do think Kvothe is part fae, I feel like the story hints at that on several occasions. It would explain his dramatic fey-like temper with eyes that change color due to his moods. It would also explain his red hair since genetically speaking it's pretty tough to get red hair from two parents who don't have red hair. I remember somewhere in the books it's mentioned that red-haired children were once burned for being demons (and we know in this world there are no demons, just fae). So unexplained red-headedness could be caused by fae-human parentage.
For all we know Reshi could be a loving term used between a father and son, and that could be why Bast cares so much for Kvothe. I actually like the theory that Bast is his father more than the other way around. Another thought I just had, is that Remmen might be Kvothe's father which would make Bast his bro that he's trying to introduce to the human world.
I like your thoughts on the Edema Ruh and Adem being connected, this is something I've always thought as well. I think they share the same ancestors. It's interesting that the Adem view music in such a fundamentally opposite way to the Ruh. Even using excessive facial expressions is considered barabaric to the Adem, which leads me to believe that the Edema Ruh were those who chose to rebel and ended up as singers and performers.
Interesting, I never thought about time repeating itself in the Kingkiller chronicle due to the moon being stolen, but I think that definitely could be a possibility. I've been wondering lately if maybe the stories about Taborlin are actually prophetic. People have been telling all these stories about Taborlin, and Kvothe is slowly checking them off because he's the one that the prophecy is talking about. Idk. I think a lot of the stories and characters mirror one another, I'm not sure if this is due to time literally repeating itself, reincarnation, or if it's just a story telling device Rothfuss is using to get people thinking.
Found this channel listening to kingkiller reviews. got a great series for you. "He who fights with monsters" by Shirtaloon. I recommend the audio version. They are a great twist on fantasy with a mix of isekai anime feel. Lots of humor and solid characters.
I was just wondering if you where going to make a wise mans fear video like this one. I watch your name of the wind pt 1 and 2 on repeat because Its a wonderful overview of the first book and I wanted to know if you have that planned or if you are waiting for the 3rd book.
People ask Who is Bast, or what is Bast, but no one asks How is Bast?
How is Bast
what about WHY is Bast
When is Bast?
LOL
It's truly a tragedy.
Kvothe is teaching Bast the lesson that Kvothe failed to learn from Abenthy - patience.
Ahhh I like this thought! Bast wants him to become Kvothe again, but Kvothe is biding his time... waiting for the perfect moment
Thanks. Has Rothfuss ever reached out to you and complimented you on your channel?
No he never has, though I'm curious to know if he's ever watched one of my theory videos and if he's laughed at how many of the theories are wrong 😂
Dude, I bet you have tempted him to break his NDA more than once 🤣. I'm sure he watches all of them, probably pleased to see the fruits of his misdirection.
@@josiahpaulthompson Rothfuss don’t realy know how to end the story and watches/reads Fan Theories to know what to do - I am not really against it. That would make it even more like a fairytale (!), as a Story told from meany perspectives ❤
I know this is the Bast video, but the mention of Taborlin reminded me of something I had thought of a while back.
I have a theory about Taborlin that I haven't seen genuinely reflected upon. Taborlin is not an ancient figure, but a prophesied one. All the stories of Taborlin are told in the past tense, but one of the single most integral parts of the world is that lingual drift is a huge problem for keeping a narrative coherent. I tried charting out all the languages as much as I could and there are a huge amount of loan words, derivations, etc.
This relates to Taborlin's story in that if Taborlin's story was prophesized by an ancient figure, (for path of least resistance, let's say The Cthaeh) thousands of years ago, then over time the person who heard that story would tell it to whoever would listen. Those people might repeat it, even just as an account of something they heard from a crazy guy they met in the woods. Over time, future tense became past tense and across various translations of the story, nuance was lost.
The prologue of Doors of Stone mentions a tabor beat, a term I hadn't heard before. I looked it up and found that a tabor is an archaic term for a snare drum, so Taborlin is derived from tabor line, like a drum line or drum beat. This leads me to believe that "Taborlin the Great" is a mistranslation of a term that more literally means "great rolling drum beat", a phrase that is evocative of the sound of rolling thunder that accompanies distant thunder.
As trite as it is, I believe Taborlin is a foretelling of Kvothe because it seems more likely that he is ticking boxes of a prophecy than coincidentally having so many parallels with an ancient hero.
I really like this theory! I've wondered if maybe Kvothe is a reincarnation of Taborlin, but I like your idea that the stories of Taborlin are actually prophecy and Kvothe is checking off the list. It doesn't actually seem that far fetched. I noticed the mention of 'tabor beat' in the prologue as well and thought about Taborlin but I like the way that you connect it. Awesome theory!
'Strictly Fantasy', another You-tuber, did a video, 'True Identity of Taborlin The Great?' back in mid-2020 presenting the same theory - that Taborlin is really a prophesy; or rather a tale created in the past to nudge Kvothe's choices in the future.
Wow, now that you mentioned that "tabor" is an archaic term for a snare drum, in spanish "tambor" means drum. I never thought about it in that way.
The fact the Felurian has never heard of Taborlin the Great further supports this theory.
And maybe the Cthae inspired [whoever started singing songs about Taborlin] to do so? In order to nudge Kvothe's towards what eventually would be the most disastrous choices?
Great video! Also, Elodin quickly recognized kvothe’s shaed cloak which was a hint of his familiarity with the fae
Dude! Thanks for continuing to put out such quality videos on Kingkiller Chronicles. You have been instrumental in my enjoyment and appreciation of these books. You reveal so many little things I would have never caught. Always makes me stoked to get notified that you have new content up.
Super happy to hear that! I originally started making these videos because I love this series and I didn't see many lore or theory videos for it, which is something I really wanted to watch. I was surprised nobody was making theory videos when there's so much to talk about, so I'm happy that I've been able to make those videos myself and that fellow Kingkiller fans can enjoy them :)
I've always though that Bast's motivation is that he is in love with Kvothe, he always speaks of him so highly and warmly. Him being Fae, maybe by the third book we get a translation of reshi, Rothfuss has always been cheeky about what that means. The main piece of evidence is how he refers to Kvothe as "his" which only Denna and Felurian do. And in one of his streams Pat said something about how he wished he included more LGBT characters but how he had a few we didn't know about (honestly that was years ago and by then I already had this theory in mind).
could be very well be true. Heroworship and being his son both do not really work in my eyes and as a creature driven by desire and with a tendency towords selfishness being willing to take someones pain and wound . . . thats quite a display of love. There was no need to do that, he did not gain anything from it, it did not serve the goal of turning Kvothe back into who he had been . . . it was plain caring for him and guilt, which is extreamly hard to inflict on a fay
It always stuns me how many few people have this theory. It was painfully obvious to me that Bast is in love with Kvothe. Not "painfully obvious" as in "ho ho, I know for sure I'm right and anyone who disagrees is a dummy", but as in "this is so close to how I feel when I deeply fall in love with someone that I can't think of any other possible outcome and wonder why is such an uncommon thought", if that makes sense.
@@ninottorracastanyes8996 yeah, feel you there. The he is his child theory is very wonkey thinking it through and as we learned from the fae, they are mostly selfish beings with their actions dedicated by desire with little concept of morality. The fact that he percives harm to himself as the lesser evil to his reshi being hurt is a very big thing.
He showes open dislike against Denna that looks quite a lot like jalousy.
the argument that he cant be in love, for he is interessted in women does not hold water either. Yes, he does, but love and sex apear as very seperate concepts to him/fae/in the story. Kvothe makes clear between him and felurian was no love, Bast shows no romantic interest in any woman and in "the lightning tree" he tries to set up Kvothe with a girl he himself slept with . . . what pisses him of about denna is the emotional investment.
whatever it is a romantic crush or not, he very clearly loves kvothe more then anything
Bast is Denna. Transformed to hide.
I feel like I've read Auri call Kvothe "hers" as well
Fantastic, as always. I look forward to one day reading your book as I’m sure Rothfuss’ influence will produce a gem.
Looking forward to that !
I'm happy to hear that! I can't wait until I'm ready to share more news about my book 😊
Bast is the son of Felurian, obviously. As for Remmen being Taberlain the Great, I'm not liking it. I think that Bredon is Remmen and since they were friends, of a sort, I think Bast is learning from his father's friend in a 'fostering' sor t of way. I used to think that Bast Was Bredon but since I favor Bredon for being the patron of Denna, I don't think Bast was that, since he was only supposed to ahve 'seen' her, not been close to her. If his father was her patron, though, it would make sense that he could have seen her once...
I think Kvothe has finally learned how to Play a Beautiful Game. I think he knows that Bast will 'betray' him with the best of intentions and he is using that for a piece of the puzzle that is his master plan. Basically, Bast will betray Kvothe in hopes of sparking him back to the way he was... Kvothe knows this and it is part of his actual plan. The victim of his real plan, Lanre I suspect, will follow those clues that Bast is leaving out there and think he is going to finally do away with Kvothe, but he will fall into the trap of the Waystone inn... a place where Fae can actually Die. That is the reason why the Skin changer didn't 'smoke out' at the end. It couldn't, and now Kvothe knows his trap works but he played dumb about it. In fact, I think he intentionally lured an enemy fae to his inn to test the theory of his design. He didn't intend for the innocent guy to die but his plan is more important. Kvothe pretended not to know how 'bad' the Cthaeh is but i think he knew all along and has planned for it. I suspect that the waystone Inn's special qualities are a blind spot for the Cthaeh too In fact, it is possible that the Cthaeh is the actual main antagonist as it put Lanre on the path to be Haleax in the first place. Kvothe might actually blame the Cthaeh for his parent's deaths now and it may be the ultimate target of his trap...
Also kvothe does sound very sincere and as will always says "he sounds more sincere than that when he lies." This makes me want to look for every moment in which kvothe is being portrayed as sincere
The top Kingkiller TH-cam channel strikes again! Excellent theories, you always bring up hidden gems in the writing, things I forgot, or new ideas I’ve never heard. These books are amazing but you enrich them even more!
So true! He's enriched these books for me so much! I probably would have forgotten a lot of things and moved on to other series, but his theory videos always keep me coming back and opens my eyes to just how awesome these books are and how many possibilities there are. Captured in Words deserves so many more subs!
Bast is wonderfully enigmatic, I loved seeing more from him in the Lightning Tree. It'll be great to find out some more about him in book 3. Brilliant videos as always, some interesting theories here. I think whatever way it goes Bast must have known of Kvothe before he met him, so the son theory could be an interesting avenue, or he's been sent by Felurian to check up on him
I really enjoyed reading about him in The Lightning Tree as well, he's a very fun character to read. One of the things I'm most excited to find out with book 3 is how Kvothe and Bast met! I agree, I think Bast definitely knew about Kvothe beforehand. I think it's also possible that Bast is the demon Kvothe needs to trick before he gains his hearts desire. And possibly he tricked Bast into being his loyal servant/apprentice. Whatever way it goes, I'm excited for the day when I finally get to find out
You are talking about The lighting tree!! I love Bast, I really hope he doesn’t turn out to be a bad guy.
You mentioned Kvothe can be childish and that he has a good relationship with the kids in town and this reminded me how funny I find the fact that these kids are directly related to his idea of bringing Chronicler to Reshi.
As you said, it's hinted in the books that it was Bast who leaked info to lure a writer over, but in The Lightning Tree we get how his idea appears. A kid named Kostrel gets mad at Bast for being vague with the answers he wants to get about the fae and tells Bast “Well maybe you should just write a book then (...)That’s what people do when they know every damn thing, isn’t it? They write it down so they can show off" And there's when Bast stops for a second to think if it’s worth the try 😂
I also find endearing how this seems to hint that Bast thinks Kvothe knoes "every damn thing". He really really sees him in a high standard. I hope we can learn more of this in the future...
Always so refreshing to see the amount of effort put into your videos!
Excellent video, just want to say I love the "oof" sound effect you put in all your vids, never fails to get a laugh out of me when I hear it!
Because of what Bast says at the start of first book about mortals lives being like a small flame that could go out. This makes it sound like Bast's soul is like a flame that never goes out. So the key to the ever burning lamp could be the soul of a Fey.
What a beautiful crafted video. I love the editing and quality of it. The theory you went over are very interesting.
Well told. You’re take/analysis on this world we adore is so great. Love to hear your theories.
I find it super interesting how it linked to Irish Folklore. I always thought Felurian was inspired by the Leanan Sidhe. A fairy that seduced mortal men, specifically artist, and for a time would inspire them to create great works of art. But she'd eventually drain them of all happiness and they'd die. I don't know if she was really part of Irish Folklore or if Yeats' simply made her up and claimed she was part of their lore.
"Death is no escape from her. She is the Gaelic muse, for she gives inspiration to those she persecutes. The Gaelic poets die young, for she is restless, and will not let them remain long on earth-this malignant phantom."
Yesss same here! I think that Felurian was inspired from Leanan Sidhe as well as succubi legends in general. I believe Yeats popularized the mythology of this fairy but it origins are in Irish lore 🤔 Within the next few months I definitely want to make a video on Felurian and the Fae Realm! :)
Agree!
Jay, I've been waiting for this video for a while and you didn't disappoint me - you never have! The amount of research you do for us is amazing! Thanks for that.
Hmm, Elodin and Bast...maybe. Kvothe and Felurian...not sure about that. Tarbolin and Bast...nah, too much.
I really hope Rothfuss watches your videos. He must either laugh at all your theories or hate you for finding out so much before his last book!!
Great video, once again. ♡
Thank you for all the tremendous effort that you put in your videos. What a creative mind! 👏
I had wondered if Bast is the "demon" Kvothe had to trick to get his heart's desire. We see Kvothe playfully calling Bast a demon and then the reaction of Chronicler trying to bind him with iron. Maybe Kvothe made a deal (tricked) Bast similar to his arrangement with Felurian to win.
I believe he is! I actually had that quote written down in my notes and completely forgot to mention it in the video, but I do believe that Bast is the demon he tricked. Maybe he even tricked Bast into becoming his apprentice or to loyally follow him. A lot of people think the demon is Devi, which is another possibility but I'm leaning more towards it being Bast
would love that ^^
Honestly, I hung on to every word of this video like it was next breathe. I love you!
My theory on Bast would be that maybe Kvothe is legendary in the from his time spent there, so much so that Bast grew up his whole life hearing about him? Maybe calling Felurians name was known to be impossible in the Fae right? So for decades his story rang whilst only being like 2 years or so, and Bast just thinks he’s this Taborlin and Kvothes actually just trying to retire from a life of danger.
Holy shit what if it is Felurians son and he went off to find Kvothe, but Kvothe doesn’t want to go back to the Fae so he just changed his name and hoped he wouldn’t have to come back to her because she wouldn’t find him. And then Bast is like “dude Felurian loved that guy, this is NOT that guy”
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! :D That's an awesome theory, I could see something like that being a possibility for sure! Can't wait to find out more about how Bast and Kvothe meet in book 3!
I've always loved your videos. To be honest, I was starting to feel like you were going to run out of kkc content or that it would be less interesting. And while I fancy myself a kkc guru, I learned a lot of new stuff and am about to listen again because I missed a few things. :) thank you man!
I'm glad you were able to learn some new stuff from the video! I keep thinking I'll run out of Kingkiller content too, but then I remember the long list of videos I still want to make 😂
- Is Kvothe a Mary Sue?
- Kingkiller's Guide to Naming
- The History of Temerant
- The Fae Realm | Felurian, Skindancers, Cthaeh, The Sithe
- Tinkers in The Kingkiller Chronicle
- Is Kvothe a Sociopath?
- Elodin | Character Analysis
- Who are the Amyr?
- The Wise Man's Fear In-Depth Summary
- Music in The Kingkiller Chronicle
- The Lackless Family & The Loeclos Box
- What's Inside the Thrice-Locked Chest?
- The Third Silence & Kvothe's Curse
That's to name a few! Still so many topics I need to touch on!😊
2 kdramas I want to watch have new episodes out, F4Thailand is wrapping up, I'm participating in two readathons that are doing sprints right now and what am I doing? To be fair, King Killer Chronicle lore will always take me away from anything else. I was told that I was weird for caring about who and what Chronicler is, but he and Bast fascinate me most because they're so close to Kvothe's secrets and I think both are important.
Amazing Video however in the intro you mention a theory that Basst is Kvothe and Fillorian’s son, just wondering if you saw the clip of pat Rothfuss doing a Q&A about book 3 and confirming we will have a chapter in which we meet B’asst’s father
So glad that this channel exists! I just finished books 1 and 2, as well as The Slow Regard of Silent Things! Now I will have the refuge of great videos like this to ease my book hangover haha
Likewise, just finished book 2. Goin in on slow regard soon
Such a terrific video. You can even say this video... is the bast.
BOOOOO
😂😂😂😂
Thanks for watching Petrik!!
Amazing video, the editing and production value of these NotW videos are top notch, keep it up!
Thank you!
I've enjoyed and appreciated this channel (blog? commentary? etc.) for over a year now. THANK YOU for continuing your work, sharing your insights etc.
BREAK BREAK
I hope that Patrick Rothfuss finishes this series sooner rather than later.. I'll wait. And wait... :)
Thanks for sticking around and watching my videos for so long! I appreciate it, and definitely have lots more Kingkiller Chronicle videos I intend on making :) Haha yes I hope he finishes sooner than later too
just like to say that telwyth mael could also be a people given the context. for example you could say he is prince of the twilight and the free humans referring to a people not a place.
Has anyone else noticed the when you take Kvothe and make it Kote, the letters that get removed sound similar to the Ademic word for submission or defeat? “Vh!”
Wow I never noticed that!
@@CapturedInWords I actually noticed it when he removed the V in the age from Kvothe in the video
Next video suggestion: Did Lady Lackless know that Kvothe is her nephew? She did meet him once as a boy. She did show him the box. And she was all too willing to be rid of him when he couldn't open it.
Thanks for the suggestion! I've been thinking of making a updated video on the Lackless rhyme in the future and I feel like this would be the perfect video to bring up the details you mentioned!
I don't think so. Kvothe would've only been a young boy when he met her, so I personally think it's more likely that she just doesn't recognise him. (Also, she is mentioned to be considerably younger than Mayor Alveron, so it's possible she was only a child herself when she met Kvothe). I think she was just genuinely offended when she found out Kvothe was Edema Ruh.
Unless she’s refusing to believe it she just know. Depending on how old Kvothe was during the visit, it is likely she knows that she at least has an Edema Ruh nephew with red hair around sixteen years old.
Where did this nephew thing come from? I have read both books twice now and never seen a hint.
Is there another / are there other Rothfuss books I’ve not seen ? I know he added a short story to a collection and it was all about Bast and some very good deeds. Still looking for my copy!
You really keep this series alive for me!
I wish I don't die before the last book is realesed
I'm getting old :c
respect for really getting the pronounciation spot on as far as the irish goes
I believe elodin is taborlin. There are many parallels and I'll have to write them up and come back with them all. ( I've done it before just have to dig up notes) but I think elodin has stories about him similar to how kvothes embellished stories are. Elodin is master at names, he knows Adam hand talk, and recognizes his cloak from felurian and isn't shocked at all. traveled far and powerful and much more
I love these videos. It helps me to remember what happened in the books and keeps me excited during the wait for book 3.
Man, I love your editing. Great video!
By the way, aeolian is also a mode in music, otherwise known as a natural minor scale.
Thanks Alex! Oh wow I didn't know that, that's very fitting!
@@CapturedInWords I would have never guessed I could point out a KKC easter egg that's new to you. Small as it is 😊
I like they idea of kvoth being a singer and bast being his apprentice singer, like the enemy of the chandrian.
Bast does mention at one point aboit how he would rather fight all the chandrian at once then meet the kthae.. ( something along those lines)
Maybe thats what he is training to do. Fight the chandrian.
Also cinder says " somebodies parents where singing entirely the wrong kinds of songs" maybe some of the roo are singers, especially the troop leaders.
And maybe they sing to let the world know about the chandrian because if the chandrian ever where forgotten their curse would be lifted... i dont know just throwing out therious
Going back through the name of the wind I feel like there is a lot to pull from chapter 7 when he mentions all of the different names kote has gone by
YAY!!! LOVE the Kingkiller vids. ❤
When OP says ‘buy me a coffee’ at the end of the video - I can’t help but think of Greysdale Mead
doors of stone ends with bast and kvothe playing catch as father and son with the music swelling and felurian looking on from a waystonne portal. roll credits.
Thats what I've been thinking for years.....
I will probably commit murder should that happen
Loved this! Bast is my favourite :D I have listened to The Lightning tree at least 30 or more times now I reckon!
Really love these videos, the only downside is they make me long even more for book 3 🤣
These videos are amazing! Great production quality!
It wouldn't make sense that he is imprisoning himself to limit the ctaeh's influence. From the way he and Bast talked after that part of his story , it shows he didn't truly understand what the Ctaeh was.
I'm interested in how he came about meeting denna
Me too! I find it interesting that one of the fae playing cards depicts Kvothe and Denna in the fae realm. I Think they both travel there together, and Bast is the 'demon' that Kvothe needs to trick to get his heart's desire
@@CapturedInWords interesting idea....
Bast freaking out over the Cthaeh and Felurian not is in my eyes indication, that Bast actualy cares about Kvothe so he is horrefied, that he met it, for what that means for him.
Great video once again. Thanks so much for the hard work
Can you do a deep dive of Elodin?
Always thought the Eolien was named after the musical Mode of the same name. Disappointing but interesting to hear it was based on geek mythology instead. Good video as always my dude ✌
Aeolian? It’s close, I’ve thought the same as well
Oh I was totally unaware of that! This probably is what Rothfuss had in mind, since Aeolian mode was named after Aeolis (the floating island protected by the Greek God Aeolus) so it all links together!
This video is so good it should be illegal.
Thanks for doing this one, Jay! Loved it :)
My pleasure!! Glad you enjoyed it :D
Awesome video Jay! I’ve always loved Bast, and had a hard time pinning down who exactly he is. This was really helpful. I do think it a strong theory that Taborlin and Remmen are the same person. Hard to say though.
Glad you enjoyed it! Bast is such a great character, and I can't wait to figure out how he meets Kvothe in book 3
I am new to kingkiller, and have only gone through it once. There were a lot of things that went over my head. And a lot of stuff I forgot.
I haven’t seen any theories about the series yet, but the two theories I had were:
Reshi means father, and Bast is the son of Kvothe and the Faelurian. I mean he could easily have grown up before leaving that realm and time will have passed for him differently.
The other one i was less convinced with but had an idea was the person who plays all the games with Kvothe in wisemansfear being denna’s patron?
Amazing love the king killer chronicles videos! You should make a video about how you would finish the doors of stone
Thank you! That's a great idea, I'll definitely add that to my list of future Kingkiller videos to make
I read both books and was never a big fan of Kvothe..so it was hard for me to enjoy the books. But, all of your content is pushing me to perhaps give the books a second chance.
Great Video, love this series.
Great job
Is bast being controlled by a skin dancer, maybe even the Cthaeh itself. Bast sent people on a path to bring chronicler to the waystone. That is something the Cthaeh would do. If Kvothe bound the Cthaeh by giving up two letters of his name then the Cthaeh would seek him out to unbind himself. This goes along with Bast's secret intentions. To restore Kote's name and unlock the thrice looked chest. Would be a good ending to the doors of stone.
This is going to be a banger!
Just find your channel and I love it
Thanks for this! 😀
You are a master of fantasy content.
Excellent work dude🙏
Thanks for watching 😁
These videos are just great!
Thanks, glad you like them!
Love these kkc videos ❤️
Didn't bast mention his father in the Fay relm. His father's court? SO.. I don't think he'd be kvothe's son.
Bast is old. Wouldn’t be surprised if “Reshi” means Son. Arliden jokes about it when Abenthy talks to them about Kvothe.
Why is kvothe trying to lock himself away so the effects of the cathae can't get out a theory when it's not until the second book that kvothe truly understands the danger of the cathae?
He’s a fascinating character
I believe Chronicler has been chosen to be at the way stone aswell, not only to record Kvothe’s stories but for his ability with iron.
Explain to me please, at the beginning of Jay's video, how do we know Bast "killed" the soldiers at the end of WMF? I obviously knew that Bast didn't approve of what they did, but it just ends with him saying the poem. What did I miss about that that suggests he killed them?
what do you think happened?
the poem is showen to be used as a counting rhyme, he uses it before to decide on which drink to take (first).
I think it's pretty clear he kills them. About the rhyme, I took it as a sort of fae version of 'eeny meeny miny moe'. He first uses it to decide which drink to pick and later to decide which soldier to attack first. He's pointing a burning branch back and forth between them as he sings it. In the next chapter there are sounds described coming from outside the inn, one 'something almost like the far-off shrieking of an owl'. I believe that was the soldier screaming as Bast attacked him.
Yeah, the eeny meeny miny moe makes complete sense. I've never "read" this book but I have listened to the audio book at least 8x and, I think, the more I listened to it the more "numb," I guess you could say, I got when it came to that part, skipping over it in my mind. I remember thinking in the beginning that he killed them but I guess I analyzed it a bit too much and sort of talked myself out of that later on, thinking "well, we don't actually really know what happens for sure." So when Jay mentioned it, I was like "wait, that was my orignal thought as well," but I couldn't remember exactly why. Anyow, much appreciated!
@@vino3741 rationalising it away is tempting cause, he is with the hero, he is supposed to be a "good person" and murdering people for upsetting him does not a pear moraliy right. But he is a fae and they really do not have it with the concept of morals. Like the chronicler was warned, do not feel safe thinking of him as a human for he is not.
l think Jay is just smart enough not to mistake Bast for the mask that he wears.....kidding,its an assumption that l myself also made because of how eerie and pissed Bast is -- he didnt want those 2 thugs to hurt Kvothe but they took it too far but besides that Bast is willing to betray Kvothes location to “bring Kvothe back” but hes so afraid of Kvothe knowing that he does--would he leave two hooligans to aimlessly roam around and one day decide to either try Robbing Kvothe again or plain telling him the truth?....he might not have harmed them maybe taken their memories away(if he could) had they not wounded Kvothe and then laughed at him
Great video I loved it
These videos are great
00:28 "to hide the destructive influence of the Cthaeh" -- well it can't be that, he learned about said influence during day two of the frame story. He didn't know about it when he became Kote. There is absolutely no way that can be the reason. In the timeline, until book 3 is released and time starts moving for the characters again, he learned this information *literally today*.
I don't think the one in the basement is Bast, unless he's willing to work with iron now. Which isn't impossible, but doesn't seem right.
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Bast is a member of the Scythe ;)
What if the Amyr are not only one race or peoples but a group from all corners of the world and Bast is one of them. And trying to bring Kvothe back to his old self is part of what they see of "doing the greater good".
I like this idea!
Let's go kingkiller chronicle
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Brother you need to finish Lightbringer. I promise it will be as good to you as Kingkiller, cept its actually finished. Also, bonus point. Not as heavily talked about by booktubers.
Brent weeks needs a story plotter and a good editor. Great ideas… that go nowhere, incredible scenes, that end up meaning nothing in the overall story, great characters, that never get complete arcs and fizzle out. Maybe I’m spoiled by Jordan/Sanderson/Rothfus
I wouldn't put it on the same level as KKC, not even close, not to mention that while it is finished, the ending is nothing worth mentioning.
@@olivellanarrowboat4319 Agreed, and i think some part of me...being a long time sanderson fan, kinda let a lot of that fall under the "maybe hes making his own cosmere" thoughts. But even then sandersons books feel fulfilled without needing to know too much about the cosmere. Where as weeks opened up whole new world ideas only to leave them sitting on the stove. i guess i figured he would always revisit the universe and readdress it.
@@sentient.ball.of.stardust Maybe its been a bit since i have finished it, but i remember really liking it. but i do remember a lot of the branch idea/worlds he had started to explore being left open.
Everytime i see you’ve done another Kingkiller chronicles vid i smile. But realise I can’t watch it as i am only half way through The Wise Man’s Fear.
You have a lot of videos to get caught up on once you finish reading! 😊
@@CapturedInWords This very morning finished chapter 73, Blood and Ink. My favourite chapter so far. Bookended beautifully.
Is it possible that in the "present timeline" kvothe already defeated the chandrian?
I don’t think so
When bast and the chronicle talked about the caeteh bast said he would rather face the chandrian and heliax himself then to speak the caeteh 10 words
The tylwyth teg is also what we call the tooth fairy in Welsh
Oh wow, interesting!
HOW DID TH-cam NOT LET ME KNOW THIS WAS UP!?? Ima have words I swear!!
imo the eolian more likely comes from the type of harp, although aeolus may have contributed to the name as well
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We don't know about how biology works between faens and mortals but Bast being Kvothe's son is genetically impossible, yes he has black hair and blue eyes just like Felurian but he is dark skinned, not pale, and Pat mentioned it a billion of times, in other hand, we have Elodin, who is familiar to Fae, who is part Faen, who is dark skinned. Felurian don't knows about Taborlin the great, because Elodin/Taborlin, is known as Remmen in her universe. He changed his name several times so he is a goddamn proffesional name-changer.
I also still think Bast and Kvothe are related somehow, I mean, "Elodin", "Taborlin", "Remmen", all these sound really similar to "Arliden" Pat knows how to play a beautiful game after all. Sithe, Amyr, Singers, If they are all 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗹𝘆,-oh my shit, they are all 𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗺𝗶𝗹𝘆. Plus, no one noticed this mythical foreshadowing so I will say it, Bast, Egyptian godess of cats, her dutie was fighting with the god of chaos, a 𝘀𝗻𝗮𝗸𝗲 who was 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗱 𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗴𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 by Ra. Well, this fact explains a bunch of things you guys did not notice. Ctaeh is a snake-like creature as it seems, he can 𝗵𝗶𝘀𝘀, (for more information you should watch Jay's theory videos about Ctaeh.) Patrick Rothfuss is trying to make us realize why Bast is so obsessed with the subject of Ctaeh. Him fighting with Ctaeh symbolise 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝗦𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗲!
I am loving these Kingkiller videos!! What video editing software do you use to make them?!
I use Adobe Premiere for all the basic editing, but for the 3D like slideshows (such as at the very beginning of this vid) I use Adobe After Effects :)
@@CapturedInWords Awesome Thanks!
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...sorry about going on a tangent...
But... What is the name of the song that's playing at the end? (During the...credits, last 30 seconds of the video...)
Oooh nice video!! :D
Thanks! 😄
Lets go!!!
He's not studying alchemy. He's reading amyr history from the yllish knots in the scroll work. If the book is the same as the one that was given to devi, it has connections to the mayor and thus, the Amyr.
We need book 3
Craving kingkiller.. might as well watch some of these again. Lol.
Maybe Bast's Father died? it would explain the Father-Son bond of Kvothe and Bast, and why when he's sad he curls up in his likely Father's Blanket.