I really liked watching this. I've been told a bunch of times that bigger guys like the coil better but have always been warned that the coil takes away from some of the poppy feeling of the bike. Because of that I've really been hesitant to try one. It's a big commitment of cost to just "try" it. After hearing what you have said it was enough for me to just back burner the new camera and go for a coil. Thanks dude....um...I guess. LOL, I'll send you an invoice. :)
You should look into one of the progressive coil options, your gen Bronson doesn't have the same curve as the newer SC bikes, and you might find yourself bottoming it out easily with a regular coil. Thinking about trying the Cane Creek setup on my 5010.
B1, if you get a good coil shock e.g. fairly expensive then you will have no problem on the big hits and feeling the pop just look at what Loric Bruni is running on his specialized. #ttx22m 👍👍👍👍👍
I ride a certain trail system that is riddled with roots.. and i ride coil and I love it! I am glad i switched over from air shock to be honest..... and I wasn't scared of the weight gain....
Exactly my thoughts when I switched to coil this year. I went for marz bomber with avy tuned. Knowing that it will have great small bumps sensitivity, I was blown away by how much support you get when you push into it. It pops when you want it to and it complies when you want it to.
@@AltitudeAerials The stock one is quite good already compare to air shock, but lacks bottom out support. @150 lbs, my frame suggests a 400 lbs spring rate to achieve 28% sag. It can sometimes get hang up on high speed hits. The pedaling platform is.. well like a coil. Likes to bob a bit when pushing the pedals. The small bumps sensitivity is good, one of the biggest change from air shock. With the Avvy tuned, there's a better pedaling platform and with a slighty better small bumps sensitivity. No harsh bottom out so far. The biggest thing is the midstroke support that I was missing when I switch to coil, with avy tuned its always there when I need it.
I was thinking to try out a marzocchi spring on my trail bike, with only 120mm of travel (210x50 shock size). It's a pretty progressive linkage system, I just want the plug n play of a coil shock, to not worry about settings.
Nice! Got me super curious about going coil on my Megatower now! My rear shock only has 10 clicks of adjustable rebound.. so its sitting right at 5 & moving it up or down is too dramatic of a change in feel. Hoping to try a coil sometime next year on my bike and perhaps the new “Lower Link” as well. Great Video cant wait to see more soon
Bike Somm if you can afford it go for a Push Elevensix. This shock is amazing. On my dh bike I have a Fox DHX2 and there is a huges difference between them. My none bike rider friends can feel the difference by only sitting on both bikes.
Max Mustermann Nice 👍🏼 I’ll definitely have to give it a consideration.. may end up having a coil & an air option for the future if I ever try the Cascade Link. Then perhaps I’ll have a more DH focused bike & also keep the trail bike feel! 👌🏼
Bike Somm in my opinion the Megatower is a really downhill focused bike. I really don‘t know if I still need my dh bike. Which Megatower build do you have? I have the S Kit with a Push 11.6. Maybe i will do the Grip2 upgrade and a 170mm airshaft for my Fox36. For me weight is not important, the C frame is enough. GX Eagle is as good as the X01 and Sram Code R are really good brakes. For the testride I got the XTR Kit and I really didnt like the shifter.
Max Mustermann Nice! Yea it’s got the attitude and pedigree for some DH stuff! Especially if you play with all the dials.. longer, lower, overforked.. what would be ideal is to have the Megatower & a Tallboy but I’m not made of money! I’d say the Grip2 is probably the best upgrade I’ve done for my bike yet! But I have the same build.. I have the C S build but with the Reserve Rims. GX is okay.. but I’m all about Shimano, as soon as I can I’m ditching Everything Sram on this bike! Lol I like XT shifting way better as you can do multiple shifts up or down in the cassette.. Sram you gotta hit the button a bunch more if you want to drop gears fast
I have yet to ride a dual-suspension bike in order for me to have an actual grasp & sense of it, & not merely imagining it as per described in videos such as this. At least I'm learning in advance, eh! The bike might come soon. Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #RideOn #KeepBiking
I found that while climbing wasn't any different to the air shock, when you are out of the saddle pedalling you'll want a bit more support due to the suppleness of the shock.
Great video. I've currently got the Fox Factory X2 on my Megatower, but I do notice some harshness on choppy sections. I've gone back and forth once now between the X2 and the RS Super Delxe + Coil the bike came with. Currently back on the X2 but after watching this I think I am gonna go back to the Coil and spend some more time on it I agree that SC may have designed this bike primarily around a coil as the Coil feels great and the bike pedals well with it.
One question. Santa Cruz says that the MEGATOWER can fit a fork with up to 180mm travel, do you think that would be too much? what about 170mm travel? Thanks a lot.
I know SC mentions 170mm forks in one of their videos and recommends putting it in the low position to maintain consistent geo. Search for "Deep Dive - Megatower". Not sure about 180mm though.
1:23 As you said the coil shock is a lot heavier. But I think that may be wrong, as the RockShox SUPER DELUXE ULTIMATE weighs 453g, while the RockShox SUPER DELUXE COIL ULTIMATE just weighs 406g, both of which are based on 210x50 according to the official RockShox website.
Hi, I like the video. Can you tell if there is any damage to the frame that can be caused by using the coil on this particular frame? I just wouldn't like to void my warranty and have no clue. Cheers J
which model exactly is it? can you get it reasonably firm for climbs if you want? how many settings, firm and wide open or a third? i guess about a pound more eh? if it feels that much better, especially at speed, it's a small penalty. more of your thoughts as you spend time on it pls.
I am 5’ 4” and 120 lbs and I like running my suspension stiff so I have a 450 pound spring on my megatower. I think that for 100 lbs you should go with 450lbs. You will love it
Hey what’s going on man I’m looking into getting a coil for my Bronson. What’s the spring info ? Is it 57.5x65 ? I’m lost on this lol I know the shock is a 210x55 Any info send it my way please ! Thank you
I have an canyon sender cf 7.0 2019, it has an air shock and also has the same shock but the coil version, do you think the coil one would suit or be better than the air shock? thanks
Great video! Wonder how the Bronson will feel with a coil... Santa Cruz says that the linkage is not progressive enough for a coil. And wow, Cindy looks a lot better when wet 😂
@@mtbsavant5414 I think for most people a well sorted coil is the way to go on this bike. For me, on my local terrain in eastern PA, it plain works. The bike is night and day. Even at 190+ ready to ride, that stock M/M tune on the SD is crazy harsh. I tried everything to make it work, from the Megneg with various band and spacer configurations, to no Megneg and different spacers and sag measurements. In very narrow windows, it felt pretty rapid but was very harsh everywhere else!
There's always a tradeoff when designing a bike with 2 different shock options. I'm pretty convinced they designed this bike around the coil first based on how well it rides. The SD air isn't bad but takes some work to get it to feel right for most people.
@@mtbsavant5414 100%. The negligible amount of added weight didn't outweigh the other advantages of running the coil for me, on my local terrain. YMMV. The traction I have at the rear end while getting to the top of technical, rocky, singletrack before bombing back down, is amazing with the coil. Keeping the pedals moving over chunk is now much easier with the coil since I don't feel like my feet are gonna get bounced off the pedals. I exhausted lots of time cycling through different settings on the same sections of trails over a few months to get it pretty close but not as well rounded as I'd have hoped. The coil solved that for me. The bike also carries more speed through rock gardens where before the rear would get hung up on square edged stuff pretty badly!
hey man i have a megatower as well, how do you think the coil does on big hits?? and do you have your flip chip in the high or low, just curious? Anyway Great Video
Coil is always better for comfort. I prefer air shocks myself do to the tune ability, but I have heard the X2 is way too harsh for the Megatower, but the Cascade Component Link will fix that harshness.
The core purpose of a suspension is not to make a ride plush that is a misnomer. If your ride is plush then your sag is set incorrectly. As well as most likely your compression settings. The main job of a suspension is to keep the wheels in contact with the ground as much as possible not to make the ride comfortable that is only a byproduct, an ancillary factor. 🤦♂️
@@ErichVonCartmann 35% SAG???? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Okay reading your first comment about plushness for suspensions led me to believe you didn't know what you were talking about. But now after reading this comment I realize you are completely ignorant about suspension and probably mountain bikes in general. Oh my...🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Make sure to not set sag for your coil. It's more about having the correct coil for your bike. Preload increases the force required to compress the spring and it would be better to just go up in spring rate. Watch this from vorsprung th-cam.com/video/DcsbLgceUMg/w-d-xo.html
I switched to coil 3 years ago and will never go back, so much more feel.
I really liked watching this. I've been told a bunch of times that bigger guys like the coil better but have always been warned that the coil takes away from some of the poppy feeling of the bike. Because of that I've really been hesitant to try one. It's a big commitment of cost to just "try" it. After hearing what you have said it was enough for me to just back burner the new camera and go for a coil. Thanks dude....um...I guess. LOL, I'll send you an invoice. :)
I'm on a coil now on the sb150. Agree with Savants observations
Brian Gong Nice! You guys have me convinced now.
Do it! Send me the invoice so I can shred it ;)
You should look into one of the progressive coil options, your gen Bronson doesn't have the same curve as the newer SC bikes, and you might find yourself bottoming it out easily with a regular coil. Thinking about trying the Cane Creek setup on my 5010.
B1, if you get a good coil shock e.g. fairly expensive then you will have no problem on the big hits and feeling the pop just look at what Loric Bruni is running on his specialized.
#ttx22m 👍👍👍👍👍
I ride a certain trail system that is riddled with roots.. and i ride coil and I love it! I am glad i switched over from air shock to be honest..... and I wasn't scared of the weight gain....
Nice to see a new video....... I enjoy your take on MTBs.
Thanks Perry. Glad to be back!
Exactly my thoughts when I switched to coil this year. I went for marz bomber with avy tuned. Knowing that it will have great small bumps sensitivity, I was blown away by how much support you get when you push into it. It pops when you want it to and it complies when you want it to.
Yeah these coil shocks (and bikes in general) have come a long way!
@theweaksoup were you riding that bomber before the avalanche tune? Can I ask how different it is after being tuned by them?
@@AltitudeAerials The stock one is quite good already compare to air shock, but lacks bottom out support. @150 lbs, my frame suggests a 400 lbs spring rate to achieve 28% sag. It can sometimes get hang up on high speed hits. The pedaling platform is.. well like a coil. Likes to bob a bit when pushing the pedals. The small bumps sensitivity is good, one of the biggest change from air shock.
With the Avvy tuned, there's a better pedaling platform and with a slighty better small bumps sensitivity. No harsh bottom out so far. The biggest thing is the midstroke support that I was missing when I switch to coil, with avy tuned its always there when I need it.
Good to hear your thoughts on the coil. Also, love that this was a lunch ride. 🤘🏽😆
Thnx man. Glad to see you back on the saddle!
Of course you did ;) Thanks for another video. Curious what you'll say about it in a follow up video and/or back-to-back comparison!
Appreciate the comment!
damn!!! i just bought YOU´R old fox X2 trough pinkbike and now your are trying to change my mind and buy a coil!! good to see reviews like this!!
LOL. Pass the X2 along and pick up this coil. You won't be disappointed!
I was thinking to try out a marzocchi spring on my trail bike, with only 120mm of travel (210x50 shock size). It's a pretty progressive linkage system, I just want the plug n play of a coil shock, to not worry about settings.
I just switched to a coil shock and it’s so much more smoother. Especially for smaller bumps and choppy terrain
Just discovering that a hydraulic coil damper is a REAL shock? You're adorable....
Nice! Got me super curious about going coil on my Megatower now! My rear shock only has 10 clicks of adjustable rebound.. so its sitting right at 5 & moving it up or down is too dramatic of a change in feel. Hoping to try a coil sometime next year on my bike and perhaps the new “Lower Link” as well. Great Video cant wait to see more soon
Yeah that cascade components link is interesting!
Bike Somm if you can afford it go for a Push Elevensix. This shock is amazing. On my dh bike I have a Fox DHX2 and there is a huges difference between them. My none bike rider friends can feel the difference by only sitting on both bikes.
Max Mustermann Nice 👍🏼 I’ll definitely have to give it a consideration.. may end up having a coil & an air option for the future if I ever try the Cascade Link. Then perhaps I’ll have a more DH focused bike & also keep the trail bike feel! 👌🏼
Bike Somm in my opinion the Megatower is a really downhill focused bike. I really don‘t know if I still need my dh bike. Which Megatower build do you have? I have the S Kit with a Push 11.6. Maybe i will do the Grip2 upgrade and a 170mm airshaft for my Fox36. For me weight is not important, the C frame is enough. GX Eagle is as good as the X01 and Sram Code R are really good brakes. For the testride I got the XTR Kit and I really didnt like the shifter.
Max Mustermann Nice! Yea it’s got the attitude and pedigree for some DH stuff! Especially if you play with all the dials.. longer, lower, overforked.. what would be ideal is to have the Megatower & a Tallboy but I’m not made of money! I’d say the Grip2 is probably the best upgrade I’ve done for my bike yet! But I have the same build.. I have the C S build but with the Reserve Rims. GX is okay.. but I’m all about Shimano, as soon as I can I’m ditching Everything Sram on this bike! Lol I like XT shifting way better as you can do multiple shifts up or down in the cassette.. Sram you gotta hit the button a bunch more if you want to drop gears fast
I have yet to ride a dual-suspension bike in order for me to have an actual grasp & sense of it, & not merely imagining it as per described in videos such as this. At least I'm learning in advance, eh! The bike might come soon.
Lots'a love, cheers, & Mabuhay, from tropical Philippines! #RideOn #KeepBiking
Man JMP is looking pretty soupy! Time to head to China Camp! Great vid, really interesting info here, keep it coming!
Thanks!
I found that while climbing wasn't any different to the air shock, when you are out of the saddle pedalling you'll want a bit more support due to the suppleness of the shock.
agreed
@@mtbsavant5414 not tried air since mind you. The tine on the patrol shock was shit
Great video. I've currently got the Fox Factory X2 on my Megatower, but I do notice some harshness on choppy sections. I've gone back and forth once now between the X2 and the RS Super Delxe + Coil the bike came with. Currently back on the X2 but after watching this I think I am gonna go back to the Coil and spend some more time on it I agree that SC may have designed this bike primarily around a coil as the Coil feels great and the bike pedals well with it.
Have you thought about putting on one of those MRP progressive springs? My buddy has one on his transition patrol and it's pretty sick.
I haven't thought about a progressive spring. The suspension already feels like it has a bit of pop towards the end
One question.
Santa Cruz says that the MEGATOWER can fit a fork with up to 180mm travel, do you think that would be too much? what about 170mm travel?
Thanks a lot.
I know SC mentions 170mm forks in one of their videos and recommends putting it in the low position to maintain consistent geo. Search for "Deep Dive - Megatower". Not sure about 180mm though.
@@mtbsavant5414 Thanks for the advice.
Switched to this coil recently, thanks for the vid!
Good video buddy. Coil wins all day long 👍
Thanks!
1:23 As you said the coil shock is a lot heavier.
But I think that may be wrong, as the RockShox SUPER DELUXE ULTIMATE weighs 453g, while the RockShox SUPER DELUXE COIL ULTIMATE
just weighs 406g, both of which are based on 210x50 according to the official RockShox website.
is that with or without the spring?
Got to be without the spring. Rockshoxs springs ain’t light. Sure my Super deluxe with coil weighs 1kg atleast.
Just weighed it and the coil was 994 grams vs 526 for the air.
@@mtbsavant5414 alright thanks a lot that's my fault sorry
@@sonnyfung5135 No worries, I can definitely understand the confusion!
Hi, I like the video. Can you tell if there is any damage to the frame that can be caused by using the coil on this particular frame? I just wouldn't like to void my warranty and have no clue. Cheers J
how do you measure sag on this thing ? the coilshock being inside the tunnel makes it so awkward
Nice vid. So what settings on the flip chip. High or low ... anx long or short on the chsinstay
Hi, did you have this in the high or low position? I just put a coil on my Nomad, seems really good.
High
The coil seems like a good add on for your ride. Fun looking trails also. Where are you riding?
Thanks! Joaquin Miller Park in Oakland.
Whats was ur riding weight and what spring u were using?
which model exactly is it? can you get it reasonably firm for climbs if you want? how many settings, firm and wide open or a third? i guess about a pound more eh? if it feels that much better, especially at speed, it's a small penalty. more of your thoughts as you spend time on it pls.
It's a rockshox super deluxe ultimate coil. There's a lockout but honestly never use it.
Would a coil work for "smaller" (road) riders? I'm 140lbs, would the spring rate be something I'd learn from the frame manuf or from the coil shock?
I am 5’ 4” and 120 lbs and I like running my suspension stiff so I have a 450 pound spring on my megatower. I think that for 100 lbs you should go with 450lbs. You will love it
Need more Megatower videos. Do you ride your Yeti now we hat you have the Megatower?
Ride the Yeti at least once a week!
JMP? Haven't been able to ride with all the rain last couple weeks.
You know it!
How does the rain stop you?
@@th_js I heard it as a rule of thumb so that the trails don't get ruined.
@@jymtb Oh yeah, you're probably from the US.
Hey what’s going on man I’m looking into getting a coil for my Bronson. What’s the spring info ? Is it 57.5x65 ? I’m lost on this lol I know the shock is a 210x55
Any info send it my way please !
Thank you
Great video! I’m really thinking about what’s the best option for Megatower, coil or air. I think you have some good thoughts there
Nice, thanks for the comment!
Oh and in case you missed it, I made a follow up video where I went back to air ;)
MTB Savant yup, I watched it already! 👍🏼
Cool coil shock but it’s weird not seeing you on a turquoise bike tho.
Still have the yeti. You'll see me on it soon!
Lol
Does the coil strike the frame? I saw a vid where the coil shock is a concern with scratching the frame
John Muir Point jmp trail?
Joaquin Miller Park in Oakland Ca
Can coil shox be locked? Tia!
I have an canyon sender cf 7.0 2019, it has an air shock and also has the same shock but the coil version, do you think the coil one would suit or be better than the air shock? thanks
Posted your video at the Santa Cruz Hightower Megatower Owners on FB
Right on, thnx man!
What suspension brand is that?
Does the super deluxe coil have a lockout switch?
Yes
How many turn of preload are you running?
Is your spring ot rattling ?
Great video! Wonder how the Bronson will feel with a coil... Santa Cruz says that the linkage is not progressive enough for a coil. And wow, Cindy looks a lot better when wet 😂
There's only 1 way to find out how the Bronson would feel with a coil :). A progressive spring could help
Cindy was so muddy yesterday. We had a blast at Chappy.
Slurp slurp... been a while since I've been at JMP and definitely a while since I've seen it this slushy XD
It's like I don't even know you anymore 😭
@@mtbsavant5414 bunch of us are talking about driving out to exchequer possibly monday btw if you want to ride... :)
@@mrpercussive Damn you and your non-standard work schedule buddies :)
@@mtbsavant5414 :p
Best thing I did to improve my MT!
Werd
@@mtbsavant5414 I think for most people a well sorted coil is the way to go on this bike. For me, on my local terrain in eastern PA, it plain works. The bike is night and day. Even at 190+ ready to ride, that stock M/M tune on the SD is crazy harsh. I tried everything to make it work, from the Megneg with various band and spacer configurations, to no Megneg and different spacers and sag measurements. In very narrow windows, it felt pretty rapid but was very harsh everywhere else!
There's always a tradeoff when designing a bike with 2 different shock options. I'm pretty convinced they designed this bike around the coil first based on how well it rides. The SD air isn't bad but takes some work to get it to feel right for most people.
@@mtbsavant5414 100%. The negligible amount of added weight didn't outweigh the other advantages of running the coil for me, on my local terrain. YMMV. The traction I have at the rear end while getting to the top of technical, rocky, singletrack before bombing back down, is amazing with the coil. Keeping the pedals moving over chunk is now much easier with the coil since I don't feel like my feet are gonna get bounced off the pedals. I exhausted lots of time cycling through different settings on the same sections of trails over a few months to get it pretty close but not as well rounded as I'd have hoped. The coil solved that for me. The bike also carries more speed through rock gardens where before the rear would get hung up on square edged stuff pretty badly!
Why are u riding a Minion DHR on a front wheel? Is there a some kind of trick?
@Justin Kirkwood i have Assegai's on both sides.
hey man i have a megatower as well, how do you think the coil does on big hits?? and do you have your flip chip in the high or low, just curious? Anyway Great Video
Thanks. The suspension seems to work well with a coil. No harsh bottom outs. I go back and forth between low and high and currently have it on high
How does the coil works uphill?
Pretty well actually!
What was ur Rebound High Speed setting?
Coil is always better for comfort. I prefer air shocks myself do to the tune ability, but I have heard the X2 is way too harsh for the Megatower, but the Cascade Component Link will fix that harshness.
Yeah wasn't too much of a fan of the X2 on this bike. I think the bottom out bumper kicked in way too early on that shock.
@@mtbsavant5414 , have you tried it with no tokens? I have never have used an X2 with no tokens before LOL; so was curious.
@@mtbsavant5414 , maybe even try her with the X2 at 35% sag with no tokens, but then I am sure it will climb like a slug.
The core purpose of a suspension is not to make a ride plush that is a misnomer. If your ride is plush then your sag is set incorrectly. As well as most likely your compression settings. The main job of a suspension is to keep the wheels in contact with the ground as much as possible not to make the ride comfortable that is only a byproduct, an ancillary factor. 🤦♂️
@@ErichVonCartmann 35% SAG???? 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Okay reading your first comment about plushness for suspensions led me to believe you didn't know what you were talking about. But now after reading this comment I realize you are completely ignorant about suspension and probably mountain bikes in general.
Oh my...🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Coils are butter baby...
I've seen the light
Coil>Air
Sooooo that front mud guard does what 😂
It looks cool!
MTB Savant Hahahaha..yeh because it certainly does not prevent mud on the down tube!!😂😂
What’s for lunch?
Chicken sandwich ;)
Of course it seems to climb well you are not putting any power in. Those bikes do not climb well with powerful input regardless what shock is fitted.
Make sure to not set sag for your coil. It's more about having the correct coil for your bike. Preload increases the force required to compress the spring and it would be better to just go up in spring rate.
Watch this from vorsprung
th-cam.com/video/DcsbLgceUMg/w-d-xo.html