This was so interesting and amazing, I love how you both took such energy and time to dive deep. And give such wonderful information 🤩🤩 thank you so much, I’m so grateful for this podcast ✨🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Even i am surprised, and the way the westerners pronounce Sanskrit is hilarious! It is just funny to listen but this video is amazing, its a good debate and educational at the same time.
I think you guys are the makings of an astrology lovers archetype. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you 2. So educational and both of you are so smart. Such ancient literary geeks and I love it. I did watch to the end also and I was laughing at the sense of humor of who was watching. I have learned so much from watching astrology podcast. I look forward to new episodes and exploring the old.
I've tried looking for the Yavanajataka manuscript on the website but it's not there. Can someone provide a link to the actual full manuscript please? Much appreciated.
Somehow you guys missed like the last 15 years or so of academic research on the development of the zodiac. It has been firmly established that the division of the year into 12 months of 30 days in an "ideal" administrative calendar inspired the division of the zodiac into signs of 30 degrees. Additionally, the 360 day 12 month calendar is actually the first textually attested calendar in history, going back to the 4th millennium, referenced in logographic texts even prior to the appearance of a full syllabic writing system. There is plenty of documentation on that and the 360/12 division was a popular one across the ancient world long before the development of the zodiac. I painstakingly detailed the relevant scholarship in my article on the development of the zodiac - www.sevenstarsastrology.com/babylonian-zodiac/
I'm surprised you didn't mention the aspects doctrine and the statement that the 4th and 8th are SQUARES. Chapter 1: 64. Excepting the second, sixth, eleventh, and twelfth signs from that in which it is, a planet always aspects the rest; their aspect is good when it is in good signs. 65. The influence of the aspect is complete in opposition, less by a fourth in the two “squares” (the fourth and eighth places), a half in the two trines, and a fourth in the third and tenth signs. Here the 11th is substituted by the 8th as being an aspect, thus 11th is not considered as aspect place, yet earlier in the text it says that the 11th is most auspicious(!) Then it says that the influence (strength of an aspect) is less by a fourth in two squares (the fourth and EIGHT). The 8th is not a square by any means, from any perspective. Thus instead of treating 4th and 10th as squares, it takes 8th to be a square and somehow places the 10th together with the 3rd, so it has clearly messed up the square and sextile places. It is highly possible that this corruption formed the basis for the later development of special aspects of Mars (4th and 8th), Jupiter (5th and 9th) and Saturn (3rd and 10th).
@@KevinLopez-rl6wq The word is "chaturasra," which means four (chatur) cornered (asra), a square. The word is singular. In addition to the Brihat Jataka, this combination is also quoted in Saravali 3:28, Hora Sara 1:30, Jataka Parijata 1:54, and Phaladeepika 1:18. On page 71 of my canon review of the zodiac signs (on the Academia.edu site) I break out all the classifications of the houses in the major texts in the jyotis canon. Rok asked me to look into this for him a while back, but this is what the texts say. There is a possibility of corruption, as Rok said.
@@KevinLopez-rl6wq I have been revising my translations of the Brihat Jataka and reposting them online. Here is my revision of Brihat Jataka chapter 1, verse 16: "Ability (1st house), inherence (2nd house), valor (3rd house), home (4th house), intelligence (5th house), destruction (6th house), wife (7th house), cavity (8th house), preceptor (9th house), respect (10th house), prosperity (11th house), and loss (12th house). From the lagna, the fourth and eighth houses are called the Caturasra (four-cornered). The seventh house is termed Dyūna (playing, sporting, and loss) and the tenth house is termed Ājñā (power). "
pre-Varahamihira authors like Minaraja (~300 CE) and sages like Gargi (~100 CE) don't use the word chaturasra. They are clear about the nature of the aspects (including the special aspects of the external planets) : daśe tṛtīye navapaṃcame ca caturthāchidre madane tathaiva । paśyatti pādāttarapādavṛddhā phalāni yacchanti śubhāśubhāni ॥ - Vriddha-Yavana Jataka 2:24 (composed by Minaraja based on an older work of 1,00,000 verses by Maya, who according to tradition is also the author of the Surya Siddhanta, uses the word caturthāchidre for the 4th and 8th places and not chaturasra) Quoting Gargi, who again uses caturthāṣṭama instead of chaturasra : duścikyadaśasthānsauristrikoṇasthānbṛhaspatiḥ । caturthāṣṭamasthānbhaumaḥ śeṣāḥ saptamasaṃsthitān ॥ bhavanti vīkṣaṇe nityamuktādhikaphalāḥ grahāḥ । “Saturn to the 3rd and 10th, Jupiter to the trines, Mars to the 4th and 8th, and the rest to the 7th - the grahas always grant greater results through their aspects to the said places” Varahamihira in the Laghujatakam (2:12-13) again doesn't use the word to describe the aspect doctrine, but instead uses caturthāṣṭame ("in the 4th and 8th") : daśama-tṛtīye nava-pañcame caturthāṣṭame kalatraṃ ca । paśyanti pādavṛddhyā phalāni caivam prayacchanti ॥ “The planets aspect in the 10th and 3rd; 9th and 5th; 4th and 8th by a magnitude serially increased by a quarter and deliver the results accordingly.” "caturasra" however appears in the next verse to describe the special aspect of Mars : pūrṇampaśyati ravijastṛtīyadaśame trikoṇamapi jīvaḥ । caturasra bhūmisutaḥ sitārkabudhahimakarāḥ kalatraṃ ca ॥ “Saturn gives a full aspect to the 3rd and the 10th, also Jupiter to the trikonas (5th and the 9th), Mars to the chaturasras (4th and the 8th) and Venus, Sun, Mercury, Moon to the 7th.” Yavana-jataka, according to latest researches by Bill Mak place the text as late as 500 - 700 CE i.e. during or even after the times of Varahamihira, which is when the term chaturasra seems to have grown popular. Also, in ancient Indian music theory chaturasra refers to counts of 4 in a series i.e. 4, 8 and so on. That could have been adopted into jyotisha to refer to the 4th and 8th houses collectively as chaturasra. It's likely that the aspect doctrine followed in jyotisha was around by at-least the 2nd century CE, found in the original works of sages like Maya and Gargi.
So much interest in primary sources and scholarship here. Someone commented on the Dendera Zodiac, which I viewed at the Hathor Temple near Luxor, Egypt. Although many theories surround the date of this zodiac, the temple itself was built during the later Ptolemaic Greek period. The iconography suggests Greek and Egyptian constellations and deities, a sky division of 360 days, and Mesopotamian influence (see Wiki), probably an amalgam of trade route knowledge or from the great library of Alexandria. A book by John Anthony West theorized the Dendera Zodiac was a processional calendar, showing the age of cancer at its center. His book focused on the Sphinx built during the age of Leo around 10,000 BC, followed by the deluge (age of Cancer), after which civilization fully blossomed in Egypt during the age of Gemini (twin motifs of upper and lower Egypt, brother-sister marriage). How was procession treated in India?
In India, it was all an oral tradition, yogi's didn't believe in writing things down because it makes the mind lazy but then consciousness went down to the point humans where so low in conscousness that they had to start to write things down , look at yoga there is very little written about asana but 100 years ago and now some of the sadhu's would do crazy asana's some times where did it come from teachers. Advanced asana's on 1000 year old temples all so but not in books , the nakshatra of Shravana out of all the nakshara's is the one that represents the linage of India [ vedic, tantric, yoga ] .It means to hear , linages pasted down by oral traditions, it was all oral [ my astrologer teacher called himself a tantric astrologer ], when I first learned yoga I wasn't allowed to write things down , makes the mind lazy, teachers stopped teaching like that to much for anyone to deal with .Writing things down is dangerous for the mind to because it has no shakti [ energy ] so it can be take the wrong way only from a teacher you can lean in the right direction, is this linage Shravana ❄⭐❄ so its even written into astrology Shravana 🎶🎵
(response @ 2:10:49 about benifics - waning waxing of moon)well i think the waning and waxing of moon when working with fire element has strong merit ,as new moon comes out until full fire is easy to start and work with, after full much harder, wonder if it does the same when working with other elements, in my experience fire seems to work with me better start of new until full. unless its a certain moon i naturally work with unknowingly? would like to see a video on benifics relation during waning and waxing of the moon. really enjoyed this video I've been asking the question a lot lately did the greeks come first? good insight but still don't know which came first . I think astrology just is! and every culture of the surrounding times channeled cosmic knowledge pretty close to the same time, chicken and egg. do not know unless you were there. I lean towards the greeks but I'm really getting into india right now. I want whatever works most accurate easiest for me. oh yeah what about the Australian aborigines they go back 50k years +, or Africans ? rest easy great video gold star!
Great Video! Thanks for the upload , very interesting topic. Unfortunately a lot of modern academic and historic approach to research still has taints from the earlier colonialist era. I'm sure they do a decent job still. But what about the dendera zodiac? Was Champollion dating it correctly? or did he have political motives, and there were many of them. If the dendera zodiac would be given a much older date maybe there is more evidence suggesting to what many greek writers said, that horoscopic astrology does come from egypt?
No, Champollion mistakenly thought that the Denderah zodiac was much older than it is, and nowadays it is usually dated to sometime around the 1st century BCE, give or take.
This podcast is worth listening for resolving confusion of Indian Astrology mixing with Hellenistic principles. The Mesopotamia's had connection with ancient Tamil people and there is scope of 12 division of sky. It can be anything unless there is someone unbiased researching on it. I avoid to take concrete stances and we always leave scope , unless we already have conclusion in mind to prove one theory.
How about Vedic Surya-Siddhanta of 1st BCE which is pre yavanajataka? And anything of Mahabharata are later additions? Doesn't it sound colonial to just label something as later additions without any proof? Most modern scholars these days date yavanajataka as 6th century now.
aditi (sun) and her twelve sons (adityas) are mentioned in Rigvveda (around 1500 bce). but horoscopic astrology (hora) has definitely been taken from the greeks. afaik none of the old cultures (indian, egyptian, assyrian, babylonian,..) were not interested in that, it seems.
please bring Nilesh Oak, who is a great scholar from Indian perspective. Where is the original text then in Greece?Unless you found it, this is only a hypothesis ad conjecture. In terms of language cognate terms, yavanajataka only told that Yavanas/Greeks tell it X, while we call it Y, never explicitly said we are borrowing it from Greek. Second, lot of terms in Greek and Sanskrits are similar because of their Indo-European common roots, rather then one influencing other. Third, even if does, why can't knowledge from India to Greek? Fourth, why can't astrology co-developed independently, since lot of other complex science and math co-developed in many ancient civilization. Fifth, there are multiple versions found in yavanajataka with inconsistent passages.
Thank you! There are two methods for clarification of a horoscope - Eastern and Westestern. Eastern is based on the division charts. Western is based on the Lots. Early Hellenistic Astrology used both methods, but it broke up with time. I believe that Antik Indian astrology was based on the nakshatras and was close to the chine astrology. But Indians' astrologers met with Eastern version of Hellenistic Astrology at beginning A.D. and developed one. I believed that Early Hellenistic Astrology knew both zodiacs.
Maybe there was another situation, East Hellenistic astrologers knew conceptions of Hermes and Asclepius but did not know Pharaon and Petosiris. For example, Indian astrologers use 7 and 2 houses, and their lords, as the signification of death, Maraka. About Lots, Indian astrologers knew later, at the Middle age as Technik of Tajak astrology(Persian astrology). The Lots were named sahams and were used in horary astrology and in the sun revolution.
I haven't watched this yet. I'm trying to catch up from the beginning. I've noticed a lot of the interviews and talk are not about the natal chart, and what the aspects that are happening mean to the natal chart. I'm trying to find out how retrograde planets affect a natal chart since I have five of them. Can't seem to find a lot of info on this. Also I can't find much info on empty houses and what affect transiting aspects have on them. Hope I'm not being too much of pita. Also is there a list anywhere of each podcast from the beginning?
How on earth the indi word hora its not a strong case of the Greek word ώρα (ora)(time)that derives fromGreek?even the english word hour derives from the Greek word ora(ώρα).This is one of the strongest cases that proves the Hellenistic influence upon Indian astrology among others. The participant doesn’t have a basic knowledge of the Greek language and his thesis is not viable due to the lack of knowledge.
Finally, look forward to watching the discussion.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts Ashwin!
This was so interesting and amazing, I love how you both took such energy and time to dive deep. And give such wonderful information 🤩🤩 thank you so much, I’m so grateful for this podcast ✨🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Kendra (केन्द्र) Means Center in Sanskrit. अंश (Ansha) means Part Catur is (Chatur= चतुर्) means four. So many translation was misquoted.
Even i am surprised, and the way the westerners pronounce Sanskrit is hilarious! It is just funny to listen but this video is amazing, its a good debate and educational at the same time.
I have always wanted to learn more about this topic. Thanks for hosting this discussion!
I think you guys are the makings of an astrology lovers archetype. I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you 2. So educational and both of you are so smart. Such ancient literary geeks and I love it. I did watch to the end also and I was laughing at the sense of humor of who was watching. I have learned so much from watching astrology podcast. I look forward to new episodes and exploring the old.
I've tried looking for the Yavanajataka manuscript on the website but it's not there. Can someone provide a link to the actual full manuscript please? Much appreciated.
I found a copy on the internet archive archive.org/search.php?query=yavanajataka
Thank you! (In general for all content) astrology podcast and community!
Somehow you guys missed like the last 15 years or so of academic research on the development of the zodiac. It has been firmly established that the division of the year into 12 months of 30 days in an "ideal" administrative calendar inspired the division of the zodiac into signs of 30 degrees. Additionally, the 360 day 12 month calendar is actually the first textually attested calendar in history, going back to the 4th millennium, referenced in logographic texts even prior to the appearance of a full syllabic writing system. There is plenty of documentation on that and the 360/12 division was a popular one across the ancient world long before the development of the zodiac. I painstakingly detailed the relevant scholarship in my article on the development of the zodiac - www.sevenstarsastrology.com/babylonian-zodiac/
Loved the podcast and great work Chris loved the historic analysis.....thanks ❤️👌 superb
So excited to listen to this!!!
Listened to the end. Loved it! Thank you both!!
I'm surprised you didn't mention the aspects doctrine and the statement that the 4th and 8th are SQUARES.
Chapter 1:
64. Excepting the second, sixth, eleventh, and twelfth signs from that in which it is, a planet always aspects the rest; their aspect is good when it is in good signs.
65. The influence of the aspect is complete in opposition, less by a fourth in the two “squares” (the fourth and eighth places), a half in the two trines, and a fourth in the third and tenth signs.
Here the 11th is substituted by the 8th as being an aspect, thus 11th is not considered as aspect place, yet earlier in the text it says that the 11th is most auspicious(!)
Then it says that the influence (strength of an aspect) is less by a fourth in two squares (the fourth and EIGHT).
The 8th is not a square by any means, from any perspective. Thus instead of treating 4th and 10th as squares, it takes 8th to be a square and somehow places the 10th together with the 3rd, so it has clearly messed up the square and sextile places. It is highly possible that this corruption formed the basis for the later development of special aspects of Mars (4th and 8th), Jupiter (5th and 9th) and Saturn (3rd and 10th).
@@KevinLopez-rl6wq The word is "chaturasra," which means four (chatur) cornered (asra), a square. The word is singular. In addition to the Brihat Jataka, this combination is also quoted in Saravali 3:28, Hora Sara 1:30, Jataka Parijata 1:54, and Phaladeepika 1:18. On page 71 of my canon review of the zodiac signs (on the Academia.edu site) I break out all the classifications of the houses in the major texts in the jyotis canon. Rok asked me to look into this for him a while back, but this is what the texts say. There is a possibility of corruption, as Rok said.
@@MichaelDreamsofThailand Thank you Michael. Keep up the awesome work!
@@KevinLopez-rl6wq I have been revising my translations of the Brihat Jataka and reposting them online. Here is my revision of Brihat Jataka chapter 1, verse 16:
"Ability (1st house), inherence (2nd house), valor (3rd house), home (4th house), intelligence (5th house), destruction (6th house), wife (7th house), cavity (8th house), preceptor (9th house), respect (10th house), prosperity (11th house), and loss (12th house). From the lagna, the fourth and eighth houses are called the Caturasra (four-cornered). The seventh house is termed Dyūna (playing, sporting, and loss) and the tenth house is termed Ājñā (power). "
pre-Varahamihira authors like Minaraja (~300 CE) and sages like Gargi (~100 CE) don't use the word chaturasra. They are clear about the nature of the aspects (including the special aspects of the external planets) :
daśe tṛtīye navapaṃcame ca
caturthāchidre madane tathaiva ।
paśyatti pādāttarapādavṛddhā
phalāni yacchanti śubhāśubhāni ॥ - Vriddha-Yavana Jataka 2:24
(composed by Minaraja based on an older work of 1,00,000 verses by Maya, who according to tradition is also the author of the Surya Siddhanta, uses the word caturthāchidre for the 4th and 8th places and not chaturasra)
Quoting Gargi, who again uses caturthāṣṭama instead of chaturasra :
duścikyadaśasthānsauristrikoṇasthānbṛhaspatiḥ ।
caturthāṣṭamasthānbhaumaḥ śeṣāḥ saptamasaṃsthitān ॥
bhavanti vīkṣaṇe nityamuktādhikaphalāḥ grahāḥ ।
“Saturn to the 3rd and 10th, Jupiter to the trines, Mars to the 4th and 8th, and the rest to the 7th - the grahas always grant greater results through their aspects to the said places”
Varahamihira in the Laghujatakam (2:12-13) again doesn't use the word to describe the aspect doctrine, but instead uses caturthāṣṭame ("in the 4th and 8th") :
daśama-tṛtīye nava-pañcame caturthāṣṭame kalatraṃ ca ।
paśyanti pādavṛddhyā phalāni caivam prayacchanti ॥
“The planets aspect in the 10th and 3rd; 9th and 5th; 4th and 8th by a magnitude serially increased by a quarter and deliver the results accordingly.”
"caturasra" however appears in the next verse to describe the special aspect of Mars :
pūrṇampaśyati ravijastṛtīyadaśame trikoṇamapi jīvaḥ ।
caturasra bhūmisutaḥ sitārkabudhahimakarāḥ kalatraṃ ca ॥
“Saturn gives a full aspect to the 3rd and the 10th, also Jupiter to the trikonas (5th and the 9th), Mars to the chaturasras (4th and the 8th) and Venus, Sun, Mercury, Moon to the 7th.”
Yavana-jataka, according to latest researches by Bill Mak place the text as late as 500 - 700 CE i.e. during or even after the times of Varahamihira, which is when the term chaturasra seems to have grown popular. Also, in ancient Indian music theory chaturasra refers to counts of 4 in a series i.e. 4, 8 and so on. That could have been adopted into jyotisha to refer to the 4th and 8th houses collectively as chaturasra.
It's likely that the aspect doctrine followed in jyotisha was around by at-least the 2nd century CE, found in the original works of sages like Maya and Gargi.
It would have been more meaningful to include someone with knowledge of the Vedas and Sanskrit plus astrology.
yes. like vic dicara e.g.
So much interest in primary sources and scholarship here. Someone commented on the Dendera Zodiac, which I viewed at the Hathor Temple near Luxor, Egypt. Although many theories surround the date of this zodiac, the temple itself was built during the later Ptolemaic Greek period. The iconography suggests Greek and Egyptian constellations and deities, a sky division of 360 days, and Mesopotamian influence (see Wiki), probably an amalgam of trade route knowledge or from the great library of Alexandria. A book by John Anthony West theorized the Dendera Zodiac was a processional calendar, showing the age of cancer at its center. His book focused on the Sphinx built during the age of Leo around 10,000 BC, followed by the deluge (age of Cancer), after which civilization fully blossomed in Egypt during the age of Gemini (twin motifs of upper and lower Egypt, brother-sister marriage). How was procession treated in India?
In India, it was all an oral tradition, yogi's didn't believe in writing things down because it makes the mind lazy but then consciousness went down to the point humans where so low in conscousness that they had to start to write things down , look at yoga there is very little written about asana but 100 years ago and now some of the sadhu's would do crazy asana's some times where did it come from teachers. Advanced asana's on 1000 year old temples all so but not in books , the nakshatra of Shravana out of all the nakshara's is the one that represents the linage of India [ vedic, tantric, yoga ] .It means to hear , linages pasted down by oral traditions, it was all oral [ my astrologer teacher called himself a tantric astrologer ], when I first learned yoga I wasn't allowed to write things down , makes the mind lazy, teachers stopped teaching like that to much for anyone to deal with .Writing things down is dangerous for the mind to because it has no shakti [ energy ] so it can be take the wrong way only from a teacher you can lean in the right direction, is this linage Shravana ❄⭐❄ so its even written into astrology Shravana 🎶🎵
St00pid
please bring vic dicara on this topic!
(response @ 2:10:49 about benifics - waning waxing of moon)well i think the waning and waxing of moon when working with fire element has strong merit ,as new moon comes out until full fire is easy to start and work with, after full much harder, wonder if it does the same when working with other elements, in my experience fire seems to work with me better start of new until full. unless its a certain moon i naturally work with unknowingly? would like to see a video on benifics relation during waning and waxing of the moon. really enjoyed this video I've been asking the question a lot lately did the greeks come first? good insight but still don't know which came first . I think astrology just is! and every culture of the surrounding times channeled cosmic knowledge pretty close to the same time, chicken and egg. do not know unless you were there. I lean towards the greeks but I'm really getting into india right now. I want whatever works most accurate easiest for me. oh yeah what about the Australian aborigines they go back 50k years +, or Africans ? rest easy great video gold star!
Great Video! Thanks for the upload , very interesting topic. Unfortunately a lot of modern academic and historic approach to research still has taints from the earlier colonialist era. I'm sure they do a decent job still. But what about the dendera zodiac? Was Champollion dating it correctly? or did he have political motives, and there were many of them. If the dendera zodiac would be given a much older date maybe there is more evidence suggesting to what many greek writers said, that horoscopic astrology does come from egypt?
No, Champollion mistakenly thought that the Denderah zodiac was much older than it is, and nowadays it is usually dated to sometime around the 1st century BCE, give or take.
Good debate. Indian/Hindu astrology has a set of Rishi's, practitioners.
Also regarding the wheel chart was this a later development vs N Indian chart?
wheelchart afaik is very modern. europeans used variatons very similar to indian graphics (north and south, very individual).
This podcast is worth listening for resolving confusion of Indian Astrology mixing with Hellenistic principles. The Mesopotamia's had connection with ancient Tamil people and there is scope of 12 division of sky. It can be anything unless there is someone unbiased researching on it. I avoid to take concrete stances and we always leave scope , unless we already have conclusion in mind to prove one theory.
How about Vedic Surya-Siddhanta of 1st BCE which is pre yavanajataka? And anything of Mahabharata are later additions? Doesn't it sound colonial to just label something as later additions without any proof? Most modern scholars these days date yavanajataka as 6th century now.
surya-siddhanta is about 600 bce. but i agree that the guy from kepler college is not well informed about history of indian astro.
Heard that India did not have a zodiac but adopted, Zoodiac Though 12 houses and 27 Lunar Mansion constellations???
aditi (sun) and her twelve sons (adityas) are mentioned in Rigvveda (around 1500 bce). but horoscopic astrology (hora) has definitely been taken from the greeks. afaik none of the old cultures (indian, egyptian, assyrian, babylonian,..) were not interested in that, it seems.
please bring Nilesh Oak, who is a great scholar from Indian perspective. Where is the original text then in Greece?Unless you found it, this is only a hypothesis ad conjecture. In terms of language cognate terms, yavanajataka only told that Yavanas/Greeks tell it X, while we call it Y, never explicitly said we are borrowing it from Greek. Second, lot of terms in Greek and Sanskrits are similar because of their Indo-European common roots, rather then one influencing other. Third, even if does, why can't knowledge from India to Greek? Fourth, why can't astrology co-developed independently, since lot of other complex science and math co-developed in many ancient civilization. Fifth, there are multiple versions found in yavanajataka with inconsistent passages.
Thank you! There are two methods for clarification of a horoscope - Eastern and Westestern. Eastern is based on the division charts. Western is based on the Lots. Early Hellenistic Astrology used both methods, but it broke up with time. I believe that Antik Indian astrology was based on the nakshatras and was close to the chine astrology. But Indians' astrologers met with Eastern version of Hellenistic Astrology at beginning A.D. and developed one.
I believed that Early Hellenistic Astrology knew both zodiacs.
Maybe there was another situation, East Hellenistic astrologers knew conceptions of Hermes and Asclepius but did not know Pharaon and Petosiris. For example, Indian astrologers use 7 and 2 houses, and their lords, as the signification of death, Maraka.
About Lots, Indian astrologers knew later, at the Middle age as Technik of Tajak astrology(Persian astrology). The Lots were named sahams and were used in horary astrology and in the sun revolution.
🙏❤️
I haven't watched this yet. I'm trying to catch up from the beginning. I've noticed a lot of the interviews and talk are not about the natal chart, and what the aspects that are happening mean to the natal chart. I'm trying to find out how retrograde planets affect a natal chart since I have five of them. Can't seem to find a lot of info on this. Also I can't find much info on empty houses and what affect transiting aspects have on them. Hope I'm not being too much of pita. Also is there a list anywhere of each podcast from the beginning?
There are many words similar between Indian astrology and Greeks.
Leo
Pathone
Juka
Mesurana
Trikona
Hora
Ako kero
Etc etc
🙏🔥💚
A few more than two made it through ;-)
Could the origin be from West Druid Priests that left Ireland to the East for a period during deluge. Michael Tsarion, Ancient Origins of Civilization
How on earth the indi word hora its not a strong case of the Greek word ώρα (ora)(time)that derives fromGreek?even the english word hour derives from the Greek word ora(ώρα).This is one of the strongest cases that proves the Hellenistic influence upon Indian astrology among others.
The participant doesn’t have a basic knowledge of the Greek language and his thesis is not viable due to the
lack of knowledge.
It's debatable..
The long hair guy is not making any point .
Yona/Yavanas is originally Greeks