Orange Crush Pro 120 vs. Super Crush 100 - in a Mix | Re-CRUSHING Tones | Pedal in the Clean
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It's over one month that I have this new Orange Super Crush and finally I decided to make a demo of it!
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Re-Crushing Tones - 2:50
Clean Channel - 7:12
Kuro T120 in the Clean channel - 9:22
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The D.I out - 11:46
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Okay, after watching a lot of crap demos of the super crush, this actually shows the differences in a fair way. I have the crush pro, but now I want the super crush, it has a little more power in the transients of notes/chords and sounds powerful as hell
Thank you Grayson, I really appreciate this comment
I have the Super Crush 100 and I’ve been using it live with my band since New Year’s Eve and it’s been freaking awesome man! It sounds so much better in person than any of these TH-cam videos. Get it!!
Damn, I like my 120 pro. My first amp head. Seems more brighter in the comparison tho. Anyway 🤘
@@pattillo21 I agree, best solid state amp on the market. Sounds like a tube amp and the sustain is amazing!
@@kennyharke366 amen brother. This amp is bad ass.
As an ambassador for the Stoner/Doom scene here in the state of Michigan. We would just like to thank you for your contributions and spectacular work to push forward our movement and cause.
We don't accept you. Michigan is not Doom enough.
@@ushnicyuvnikof2748 Troll
Oh my god comments like these are exactly why I hate the scene, what a chud.
I thought I was the only michigan doomer. Sweet
As a fellow Michigander metalist, 🤘
The mastodon riff is blowing my mind.
I’ve always been a tube amp guy but this is straight up magic.
Beautiful tobacco sunburst Les Paul………
FINALLY a comparison that is mixed well and formatted in a way where comparing the amps feels fair, honest, and informative! Seriously underrated content here, you’ve got my sub cause your playing is incredible to top it off :)
So glad I found your video. I was thinking about buying one of these two solid state orange amps. I wasn't sure, but now you've sold me. Both amps sound awesome for heavier music.
They sound amazing together!
That Steambreather riff hits like a truck with these amps. Thanks for playing it. I've been GASing for the SC for a while now, and it's cool to hear how it is actually clearer and a bit more articulate which definitely helps.
Great comparison, I feel like I can finally hear the differences that everyone has been talking about (120 darker, 100 brighter and tighter low end) in this video, thanks alot! I definitely prefer the supercrush 100 for note definition on multi-note multi-string open sections where clarity of notes can get lost.
Loved hearing you play Steambreather through these amps. Thanks for the video!
Thank you Riley
Very nice video. This really helps me decide if I will get the Super Crush!
Glad this is helping you guys! Cheers!
your channel is so underrated mate, great video as always🤘
I‘m the most surprised about how differently the different clean channels responded to the Kuro
Stay tuned for a pretty interesting video!
I was waiting for this and, holy shit, it did not disappoint! Fantastic job and great tones from both amps. These things deliver quality sound for a quarter of the price of their tube counterpart. However, I'm glad I pre-ordered the Super Crush 100. It's going to sound massive alongside my Soldano Avenger.
Glad you enjoyed. I hope this video will help you all to decide what's best for you!
I still like my CR120! More girth 🤘🏻 thanks for the great comparison video man🤘🏻
Nice riffage!!! I could listen to this on repeat all day haha
Thank you so much Ronda!
I was super surprised to hear how different the clean channels sound with the Kuro. At first I was digging the Super Crush, but the Crush Pro was so much clearer with that pedal.
Great demo. Thanks!
Thank you! Excellent content!!!
Absolutely incredible playing. Man it’s hard to pick a favorite. I really dig the new one with the single notes and the old one with the chords. Sometimes it’s even hard to tell the difference. Great demo. Both really sound fantastic.
Yeah. To me too it's still hard to decide. I like so much the dirty channel of the new one! It's more dynamic and I also dig the mids spectrum. But I'm missing that scooped clean that I could get from the previous model.
Be or not to be... Crush or supercrush. That's the question!
The price of these amps are so reasonable why not both? 😊
Sick demo!!
Tried these settings with my Washburn N4 into the CR120. I don’t even have the words man! Fire, absolute fire. Thanks man! Awesome videos. Subscribed!
Thank you so much Daniel. I'll be back asap with some new videos
@@tonemorphdan Looking forward for more videos Dan! If you could show the amp settings like in this one, that would be great! Thank you.
Lol. Was not expecting black metal at the end. Love it.
Incredible mix
just grabbed a pro 120 head off craigslist. holy grail! i had a micro dark for about a week and returned it and threw an extra 135 down and got this. so worth it. this video is amazing but once you hear one of these in person out of a good 412 there are no turn backs. it always sounds good and can do anything with my sg. if the micro dark is a cute growling puppy, this thing a sick ass dragon in its prime roaring and blowing fireballs melting your face off. get one
I hear a lot of hate towards both of these amps. What I have come to realize is the people complaining I don’t play the same music as me. Both sound great for thank you for the riffs and taking the time to make this video.
Exceptional demo. Man, it's close. Essentially a one notch difference in the mids and treble. Frankly, hard to justify getting a super crush unless my CR120 dies. I also like how the CR120 clean channel can break up.
I like how the clean channel breaks as well. Lots of Doom guys (Fuzz Lord dude for one) would prefer it didn't break up so it's a better pedal board platform (for him). My board is designed around amp breakup so the cr120 kills.
This just shows that it's best to own both versions. Excellent video \,,/
Shows they both sound bad
@@beefnacos6258or you’re tone deaf? If these amps had tubes in them and sounded identical, I bet you be nutting all over the place over them.
@@beefnacos6258u jus salty
Great video man. Thanks for the notice
You're welcome Colby!
They're both absolutely fantastic amps. The super has a tighter tone and notes can be heard clearer. The pro has a raw dirty sound perfect for those aggressive tones. You can't go wrong with any of them. It's all about preference.
More definition & clarity by the Super Crush overdrive channel, I like it more
Easily the best A/B comparison that exists on these amps. I currently own both. This is a DEAD accurate representation. Still can't decide which I like better. I do like that the CR120 doesn't need to be nearly as high on the master volume to accomplish the same volume, especially in a stoner rock/metal context.
Reading comments like this after more than a year is priceless, thank you very much!
Super Crush is bad ass! I bought the half stack version in black.
Sound awesome together
Sick video man!
Thank you Sietse
Ordered the super crush!!! My first Orange amp
That was a very well made and detailed video! Which one is your favourite now? Also we need a "Let's crush that tone" The Sword edition!!
I still have both heads but I can say that the new supercrush has more dynamic in the dirty channel and takes pedals even better than the previous one.
AND YES.
You can totally get "The Sword" tone out of it.
Cool All Them Witches tone!!
Outstanding demo. Definitely captures the differences. SC has a little more definition and bite. As an owner of both, some things you can't hear: The sweep on the volume and gain of the SC on dirt channel are more usable all the way up where the CR is pretty much fuzz past 9:00 on gain and master volume has no difference passed around 2:00 p.m.
Damn! Now I'm def buying it. The Super crush 100 \m/
Super crush by a mile
Came here for a Super Crush demo and got some STEAMBREATHER!!!
And it was at this moment that I knew..... I ------ up! Now I gotta get it.
Excellent demo. I appreciate that you are not sponsored. Too many reviews are done by guys who received free guitar from the company they are supposed to be un-biased about. To me, they sound very similar. I think the Crush 100 sounds a tad bit brighter. The Crush Pro 120, which I have, sounds a bit more Lo-Fi, if that makes any sense. I've heard from several people that the cleans on the Chrush 100 are better. What is your opinion? And if a person were to just purchase one of these, which would you recommend? Which is more versatile?
i think i like the super crush more personally, it was a little brighter. but both sound fantastic and i don't think you could go wrong with either.
Incredible playing, crushing sound....what else?!?
Thank you so much John!
The super crush has a bit more overall presence and maybe mids.
But the crush pro could be eq'd to get pretty close.
I have the CR120 and must say the Super Crush in this demo sounds like it has the superior dirty channel. Sure you might be able to get the Pro to sound somewhat close but it's always going to sound a bit wooly and dark by comparison. HOWEVER, when it comes to cleans the pro has that little bit of bassman-esque grit that makes it sound so delicious for fuzzes. If I had to pick one I'd go with the Super just because of how good that dirty channel sounds. But for now I'll stay dooming with the clean channel on my CR120 and Chicago Stompworks Blue Bear. Great demo, both amps are awesome in their own ways. The pedal you're using at the end sounds like a Boss Hyper Fuzz.
the super crush sounds incredible.
Wow. The 100 sound so much better. I wouldn’t have thought it would even make a difference on a distortion pedal into clean. That’s where the 120 sounded like a pedal into a pedal, and the 100 sounded like pedal into tube preamp. I want the super crush pretty badly 😊
I own a Jose modded Plexi, DSL100H, 5153 EL34, 2204 6L6 and an AC50CP2 - and I LOVE my Super Crush!
With an SD1 hrough my GreenBeret/Reaper (Greenbacks) cab it NAILS anything my Marshalls can, but still retains some of its Orange wooly character.
Also kills through my ET65/Retro30 4x12 too. Bit more “Orange” sounding through it.
all other videos i've seen of the crush 100, made me like the cr120 even more. this video showed me better the slight difference in them, but they both sound so damn good. i still prefer the cr120 slightly, but damn, they would sound great layered
They're two great amps ehehe. It's kinda like a rockerverb mkII and III. They're different
Great video! I think I like the super crush 100 more lol any thoughts on the Orange Stamp?
The Orange Stamp is very nice! Kinda like a micro terror but in a smaller block. I've only tried it but I'd like to have it
Great video!
Thanks ☠️
Thank you Brennan!
This is the demo I've been looking for 🤘. Only question I have is can they hold those tones at gig volume or do they start to break up (in that not-so-good solid state way)?
both amps rock as hell!
The Crush Pro 120 sounds darker deeper and richer (yeah because it's a 120 watt amp lol) than the Super Crush 100 which has more higher frequencies and it's less chonky. It's a matter of taste
Would love to see some Slayer on the CR120....love your vids, brother!🤘🏻
Thank you John.
I personally use an overdrive to tighten up my tone when I want to play some season in the abyss songs. One of the best album ever 😜
Cheers!
@@tonemorphdan absolutely agree! I'm trying to dial in the right settings for a decent Black Magic tone off of SNM
@@BubbaZanetti_375 use a tubescreamer in front!
Super Crush is definitely an upgrade! More articulate and a lot less flubby, and that make a big difference for gigs, when in a live mix.
Especially if there’s another guitarist in the band with a all tube monster of death that your trying to keep up with.
Yes, the dirty channel improved a lot with the dynamic. I totally had the feeling of a tube-like amp
Super crush for me! Now I just have to wait for them to finally be in stock in the US.
I hope that this problem of getting materials will end soon.
Cheers Matt!
I just got the CR120. I heard the clean channel takes fuzz pedals well but i was dissapointed actually: they sound kinda fizzy and trebly like in the kuro comparison at the end. BUT!! The dirty channel oh my god... you can set the dirt very low and make it sound almost exactly the same as the clean channel, and it takes fuzz pedals so damn well. Punchy, with a lot of low end and good enough presence... sounding similar as the crush pro 100 with the kuro at the end. I got a lot of dirt and fuzz pedals so I never use the amps dirt, so Im fine having it as my only channel, and im so damn happy with the sound.
About the clean channel I'd say that depends by the pedal that you're using. I usually put highs and bass between 13 and 14 o' clock if I want a flat sound, highs at 12 for less fizzy and high at 15 with maxed bass for scooped clean.
A two guitar band with one of each would be the way to go. I have a CR120H and love it. The SC100 is cool but can sound a little thin at times, imo. The CR120 just sounds thicker overall to me.
I really can't say I prefer one over the other. The Pro 120 is more darker for sure, which I like. I am not convinced the Super Crush is better, it is very similar but also different. I like aspect of both. At the end of the day both are fantastic amps. I have owned my Crush Pro 120C for about 2 years and am very happy with it, so I don't think I would buy the Super Crush right now.
You just said it! There's no worse or better. They're just different!
Even through TH-cam, on a phone speaker you can hear the difference, it's subtle, and probably wouldn't notice on blind switching, but it's there
Excellent demo. I own the Super Crush 100. Bought it when it came out here in Europe last October. Its really important to use the right cab with these amps, the bigger the better as it grinds more and takes some of the harsh highs away. I always have the preamp volume dimed and the gain turned up to taste. This is when it shines at its best! Btw, throw a graphic equalizer into the effects loop as the eq on the amp is a bit too passive for my taste. Trust me, you will not regret it. The clean channel has no bright cap according to Ade the designer, which is good as it makes it super pedal friendly. The reverb on the amp is digital, but it sounds great and smokes all of those on the CR120.
Thanks Philip.
And yes, the cab is very important!
I already tried some eq in the loop but I like the amp as it is!
Hey Phillip, I have a question for ya.. (thinking bout buying one of these) these amps state that you get the full power when paired with 8ohms.. It gets cut down if you're using 16ohm. I see most 4x12 cabs are 16ohm.. So wouldn't that mean it would be better paired with an 8ohm 2x12? I'm confused about this. How do I get a 412 cab and still get full power? Lemme kno what you think..
@@13aphomet you'll get enough volume with 16 ohm too!
@@13aphomet Hey there! it depends what youre using it for. I assume your´re gigging so I would go with a 2x12 at 8 ohms. I prefer closed back. Sounds thicker and fuller. Speaker choice is up to you but i love the V30 for this amp and even a greenback or G12H30 or a mix. I had an Eminence Reignmaker in my cab before that. Worst speaker ever for that amp. super brittle. Quality of the cab is really important and also no one wants to haul a 4x12 anymore least of all me as i have lower back problems. One tip: keep the channel volume dimed, and the master volume set to taste. I have mine at noon. Plenty loud! My 2 cents🙂
@@philipmentzingen9271 hey thx for the response. You really think a 2x12 would get it done for doom metal sound live? I really wanted to go 4x12 cause that's what Ive always used.. I'm just afraid that I'm cutting down my power. Ugh.. I'm still confused. It woulda been nice if they made it avail at full power no matter what cab you used with a switch or something..
Sounds great! They did a great job with the Super Crush 100. Where you boosting with a Rat?
Nope. But you're not the only one that is thinking about the RAT. Interesting
Check my latest video to know about the pedal ;-)
I love the CR120. The mids are perfect. People say it's darker than the SC100 but I feel like the SC100 is more scooped here. Both are great amps though!
Damn they both sound great. But I prefer the dirty channel of the 100. And it's SUPPOSED to be a better pedal platform. The clean sounds are a little better on the 120 to my ears but I'd probably never use it for a straight clean sound so it'd be the 100 for me....
Yeah I'm happy that the super crush exist. However, just put an eq pedal with the crush pro and get whatever you want. I've been searching for a "better amp" than my cr60 for a few years, even purchased a few, but they got returned after a/b ing back and forth. I think the difficult part for me is the longer I look for "better", the more my ear gets used to the "better" being the crush pro series.
I am a weird one as well. I love my cr60c. Was thinking of ditching it and just getting the 120 head. Not sure if I am going to really care for the super
I wish I got the cr-120 combo and swapping out a speaker for a vintage 30
you should try and get Gran Hechicero tones! best tones I ever heard!
I love both amps! The Crush pro 120 has still the best clean, chiming channel, but the Super Crush has that saggy, warmer tone typical of a vintage tube head, which it makes the Ideal for distorted tones by itself or with pedals( the Kuro 120 sounds best with the Super Crush)!👌🏼✨
Yeah, the clean channel of the 120 can sound scooped which is something that I always enjoyed. The clean of the 100 has mids everywhere!. About the Dirty channel: the Supercrush has less gain but it's more dynamic.
@@tonemorphdan Interesting, as Orange tech director, Ade Emsley says “it has the same amount of gain, just the four stages kick in much later on the dial.”
I guess it’s something that needed to happen in order to keep the JFET’s reacting tube like. Considering JFET’s work very much like tubes, compared to the Op Amps found within the Crush 120.
@@LiveFast135i Nothing stoping you from running that into the FX loops return, bypassing the amplifier’s preamp and just using the power-amp section.
Don’t know why I didn’t think of this when I had my little “Micro Dark Terror.” I could have went out of its FX send and into the CR120’s FX return, I bet that would have shook the house down 😂.
You had me at Mastodon
I'm Honored. Great choice \m/
what cab/speakers were this? I have a CR120 and it sounds literally studio quality crystalclear through my no-name chinese 2x12 lol. I finally upgraded to real cabs and that clarity is just gone and it almost sounds like a small practice amp now. I'm kind of losing my mind over it lol
Hi, I used the Orange PPC212 closed back equipped with stock vintage v30
The Super sounds fuller and more vintage than the Pro. Both great amps.
Thank you Lothar
I actually liked the T120 in the CR120 more, myself. And I liked the cleans of the CR120 more. I did like the single notes of the Pro 100 more, however. To my ears the cover of Red Fang sounds much closer to the album tone with the Pro 100, must be all those extra mids Orange added in helping it get closer to that Sunn Beta tone....
TH-cam Reported my Redfang soundlike. Like I've used the original track on it. Can't believe it!
Thanks, now more time needed to 🤔
Astounded at how identical Wires sounds to the album.
@@brandonhartman4533 yup, TH-cam blocked the monetization for copyright for that part, lol
I found the Super Crush a bit brighter than the Crush Pro. I kept the Crush Pro, then sold that and went for a Rockerverb MK2 50w
Wish I could have both
when you plug in the D.I. out does it still play through the real speaker or do you have to monitor it separate? and vice versa if you unplug the speaker out can you monitor separate through the D.I. out without using a speaker cabinet??
It still plays through the real speaker and yes, works also without the speaker
Mastodon riff tone sounds killing good
TH-cam said that I cannot monetize this video due to "Red Fang - Wires" track. I didn't use any original track. I'll take that as a compliment. So, now I'm angry cause YT didn't find the other tracks hahahaha
Great video ! What is the first clean song do you play at 7'23''? THANKS
just bought the super crush 100 cause of this video and bought a 2x12 to go with it
I have had my super crush 100 for about a month and it is everything everybody is talking about and more. Going to pick up an Ibanez TS9 and try it out on my dirt channel. I've heard nothing but great things about that combo. It does take pedals very well. I have finally struck gold and its Orange. Getting the 4X12 cab next. It even sounds good through my $200 Kustom 4X12. Amazing amp.
I don't like TS style pedals cause they tend to kill too much bass freqs.
I still have serious difficulties in finding a better overdrive than the Kuro Custom Audio PHA overdrive. Works great in standalone too!
Cheers
@@tonemorphdan Hmmm. Maybe I should do more homework on this. I like low end grind. The Orange Super Crush does work well with an OD pedal???? I just wanna make sure. I'm trying to tighten up my dirty channel. I'm a metal guitarist.
@@roosterj2599 The super crush works well with an OD pedal.
Anyway I'm planning my come back in few days.
I'll do a shootout with the Orange Supercrush and different od pedals
@@tonemorphdan Oooh! Can't wait for that video. I'm glad you are checking things out so I can hear them before I blow cash on something that won't work.
Can't wait to eq this thing with my source audio EQ. It's gonna be badass
I’m thinking of updating my Crush 35RT to the Super Crush 100 combo. I assume that’s a significant upgrade? Both the pro and super sound good here.
The pedal in the clean channel of the CR120 sounded better in my opinion. But overall I preferred the super crush. For some of the clips I liked the CR120 but it seemed like it got a little more lost in the mix.
Yeah. The new Crush is cutting better though the mix. It's more bright and the mids spectrum it's also different. As I said before, on the clean channel I'm really missing the scooped settings of the old crush on this new one. But there's not better or worse. They're just two different amplifiers.
Hey guys, I’m having a problem with my CR120. When I run my effects loop, I lose all functionality in my dirty/clean channels while my pedals continue to work. When I play directly into the app though, with no effects loop, I can control the channels and knobs on my amp again. Any advice would be appreciated
Beautiful tobacco sunburst Les Paul……❤
Definitely prefer the super crush sounds great
After 2 month I think that I'm going for that too
CR120 sounds like it’s in a box compared to the Super Crush 100. I think Orange made the right decision to remake this solid-state Rockerverb with JFET’s.
I run a stereo rig with the Rockerverb 100 MKIII and the Supercrush 100. Face melting.
The pro 120 is fizzier and darker. The super just lets notes out far better tho. Would make a great stereo rig for sure. Been waiting for some crush that tone vids with the super lol come on man you are slacking jk but seriously keep it going.
I'll be back with that series sooner or later. I've been pretty busy in December and now I'm just enjoying the holidays.
I'll be back in January with some new videos
@@tonemorphdan very nice man can’t wait
Hiya! I recently purchased the SC100 and decided to compare it with my CR120. Upon a few playing tests I start to think the head might be faulty. Maybe you can help me here.
Upon testing one against the other what I noticed is that there's a significant difference in volume. Running both heads through a 4x12 16ohm cab, the CR120 can make the walls shake at half volume already whilst the SC100 maxed out still sounds quiet, at bedroom level.
Would that be alright?
Also, through the dirty channel, the CR120 sounds more "metal" for the lack of a better term whilst the SC100 sounds more "Zeppelin" at the same settings.
Again, is that to be expected?
Thanks
Vinny
About "metal" and "zeppelin" I'd say that is a matter of taste.
About the volume: the SC100 is slightly less powerful than the 120. So, except if you're not doing anything wrong like connecting 2 head at the same moment in the same cab, there's something wrong.
@@tonemorphdan No, not connecting both heads at the same time on the cab. I truly believe there's something wrong here. Thanks for the input Dan. Appreciate. Rock on! \m/
Jesus, that riff from the Kuro section is awesome 😍 is it from a band or did you write it?
Thank you very much Thomas. The riff it's mine
@@tonemorphdan Then, well done !
Which is better on these amps, Fuzz pedals in clean channel or dirty with low gain? Great demo!
Hi, sorry for late reply. Generally orange amps doesn't like fuzz on the dirty channel, so I'd go for the clean
siempre me e preguntado con cual altavoz celetion sonara mejor el super crush, con el celestion v30 , vtype, g12t, greenamback, creamback, alguien que me ayude
Is it possible that there is even LESS presence in the Super Crush? I love Orange solid state, but I really hope they put a presence control on their next offering.
Hello, I know its a bit late in the day, but to you remember the Crush Pro settings on the gain channel?
🤘🏽🤘🏽
Would I be able to tighten up the Super Crush for Death metal ?Great content 🔥
I think that the super crush can even do some sharp tones without an overdrive. With the 120 you may need. It's more "spongy".
Check my demo of the Kuro PHA overdrive! 🤘🏻☠️
A tube screamer in front of an Orange amp works wonders. I have a dark terror tube head, and it usually sounds kind of saggy and flubbery without a boost. But a ts9 really tightens up the lows a lot
@@howler9171 I personally don't like TS cause they kill a lot of bass. Especially with the crush or rockerverbs that doesn't have a lot of bass frequencies
I've never played a rockerverb myself, but in my experience the cr120 is really bass-heavy. My old band's guitarist used one, he kept the bass at zero and mids and treble cranked, and still had to use an eq to dial out some of the lows. But it could have been that his cab was garbage. He got a really shitty empty particle board 4x12 cab with no brand name for free, and loaded it up with Chinese vintage 30's. It made every amp he plugged into it sound like a First Act
@@howler9171 well probably the EQ and the cab did the job. If he would put a rocker 30 or a thunderverb or an or50 he would be blown away. I love so much the bass frequencies that I can get from my tv50 And r30, things that I'm missing in my crushes.
My preference is the Super Crush 100 due to the more mid focus and clarity.
can’t decide between the Super Crush 100 and the OR15 for home use (lowish volume)
I'd go for the 100. It can be barely audible thanks to the double volume control
CR cuts a little more in the mix but I love the Super's darkness.
To me is the contrary. SC cuts more and the CR is darker
@@tonemorphdan Same
Great tones!
Whats the song you played at 4:05?
Funeral for a great drunken bird
Thanx!!!@@tonemorphdan
What song were you playing just before your guess the pedal chapter?
It's mine. I'll do a full song with that sooner or later
@@tonemorphdan heck yes! It sounded so good