my pad 7 it's on its way and I am glad to see your video. Thank you for the comedy and information. I am using the pad 7 on a Ender 5 pro. My friend had a cat like yours and its name was Chumly. Brought back fond memories.
cool review, you can see how intimidating it might be for someone without 3D printer experience, but you cover even the failures and how to rectify them, so I dont see a problem for a noob to set up the BTT Klipper Pad7 thanks to your review
Thanks for THAT video! I asked myself if I should turn my old Ender 3 into a Klipper system and thought: nah, its fiddeling around with Linux, find out what to do to get it working in thousands of videos, forums and google sessions and hacking that into config-files ... and now you have shown me, it is true ;-)
@@BenHeckHacks And then you start tweaking the slicer....... That's why Klipper makes more sense for Printer manufacturers - they can do all of the heavy tweaking and optimizing for you - same for the slicer. They are getting a lot closer to "plug and print" with the new core x-y machines, though. I'm forcing myself to not be an early adopter this time. I am still interested to use this Pad7 or the Creality version for my very large bed slingers.
As an Aussie, I always found the other countries plugs to be weird and kinda ugly. But then I thought, 'who wouldn't think that about foreign plugs they're not used to?'. Today you validated it, the Australian plug IS the coolest 🥳
what's wrong with the UK plug? it has an earth pin which makes things safer, and the earth pin opens a shield built in to the socket which makes things safer again.
I’m going through the process of adding pad 7 to my MakerGear M2 right now. I’m very interested in your experience and how to tutorials specific to this printer
Klipper is very promising, but I’m not sure if I’m ready to go through reconfiguring my Ender 3 once again. 😅 I didn't expect the setup and configuring to be as involved as it was for you. After solving a multitude of frustrating issues on my Ender 3 to just have the X axis driver chip fail on my BTT SKR mini v1.2 (I guess this is a common failure - purchased in 2019 so the warranty is now expired). I’m ready for 3D printers as an appliance. I look forward to your Bambu labs review as you are one of the most scrupulous tech reviewers on YoutTube.
im not interested in this that much i'm just here for ben and his enthusiastic voice always cheers me up and love to check in on ben every 6 months or so (not in parasocial way just a long time fan so ben is like an old friend catching up and telling you what he's been up too this month or year) ☺💗
I'm still having issues getting the automatic shaper calibration to work. I used bassamanator's BTT pad 7 setup guide and I'm pretty sure there's a few configs I still am missing
CB1 is CM4 compatable. It is the standard that raspberry created, Rock64 also has a board that is compatible. Also would be curious if the cancel print has the obtuse disable steppers in it. Makes it a pita if you have a blob and need to clean it off while its hot. -- edit yeah should a watched a bit more, why does btt change that behavior!?!
UK plugs are designed to solve a UK problem, but are garbage ergonomically. I'll take them over US plugs, but almost all other plugs are preferable. Schuko being the favorite of course.
I am very comfortable in linux (used it for like 20 years), but it bugs me that klipper requires macros for stuff marlin has built in, im not sure i have the time to stuff around with it. However i might end up doing it at some point, nice thing about a rpi, is i can just swap back my octoprint sd card and reflash my backed up marlin firmware if i hit a wall
Ok, chips I need... Cure for cancer chip, self edit my bank account balance chip, and women find me irresistible chip (make that x2).... lol.... @@BenHeckHacks
I think your z-banding issues are related to pressure advance. The speed changes going into direction changes - aka corners, inerta of the extruder head assembly and the extruders filament feed speed all play into that and need fine tuning. Its too bad these printer companies don't really spend much time tuning that and leave it to the end users to deal with.
I added an inductive probe to my Ender-3 Pro, It's wired into the board where the BLtouch would go (only the switch, NOT using the servo). So I still have the z end stop switch hooked up. I guess I can use it like you used the BLtouch, but I don't trigger the servo to extract a probe, just move the Z axis down to the bed. Still need to get the X/Y/Z offsets from the probe in the config file though. I still have the factory firmware in my Ender-3. It has the 32 bit board, and I'm sure there is a boot loader....just put the new firmware on the SD card, and give it the correct name, and it should load on power up.
I have a mega zero and mega zero2.0 and both have had extrude issues. I have basically abandoned them and am using my ender3, elegoo neptune max, and bambu p1p. I would like to sort the extrude issues on the anycubics but haven't had much success. Can you recommend any upgrades that would solve the extrude issues?
Not surprised that they sent you a product that didn't work without tons of tinkering. Product has good potential, but BTT support is never really there.
Ben, I just got a BTT Pi V1.2 a few days ago. They say it can support Octoprint, but it needs to be installed manually. I'm following all of the manual installation steps and nothing is happening. It still only boots into Mainsail/Klipper. Can you do a video on how to install Octoprint?
I'm pretty sure he has mentioned in the past he doesn't care to use Octoprint and just likes to sneakernet his SD cards. :D Check out the Teaching Tech video "Using a 32 bit Raspberry Pi to boost your 3D printer mainboard - Klipper Ender 3 guide" should be somewhat similar to what you are trying to do? th-cam.com/video/yAfalR7-Tvw/w-d-xo.html
Well the UK plug is objectively the better one and I say that as a european that never actually used them. They have build in fuses, and thats really cool.
I'd think that you could use an old laptop instead of a RPi to run clipper. I have an old Thinkpad T400 that is not being used. It has a coreII processor with 8gb or ram. It can run Linux, it should run Klipper and I can put it on my home LAN to connect to my desktop, and it will just plug into the printer's USB port.
@@BenHeckHacks So I installed Debian 12 on my old thinkpad T400 without any desktop firmware. I enabled SSH and it's now a 'headless' server. I installed kuiah, and from that installed klipper, moonraker, mainsail and octoprint. Now I need to figure out how to set up klipper firmware and build it for the Ender Pro 3 ( I seem to have the 32 bit board with the extra flash) but I'm not sure of all of the various options in the build firmware kulah script. It took me a while to figure out that I had to add myself to the sudo group before kulah would even install klipper.
Ive been having some issues with my pad7. 1) Ive done everything i could with setting up the adxl345 but every time I run accelerometer_query I get the error "invalid adxl345 id (xx vs e5)" and don't know what to do. 2) when trying to upload sliced files from orca it keeps failing to upload when this happens i go into putty to make sure everything is updated correctly and i get the error disk space on device full error. Anyone have a solution
china uses the same plug as Australia but they use it upside down. we (Australia) have the earth pin at the bottom and China has it at the top. i dont know if Active and Neutral swap on the china plug..
Is it that one day you decided Kroger brand cotton swabs were good enough and never looked back, or you were just not in the mood to pay the extra .32 ¢ for Qtips
China depends on where, if Mainland china, they tend to use Type A (US) and I (Australia -- An upside down version compared to what we use here in Australia, ground is on the top instead of bottom). Hong Kong uses Type G (UK).
@@BenHeckHacks I made a 3d printed printer with scrap parts and used an old creality board, it was so annoying because you had to give the bin file a unique name each time and it didn't rename if it was successful so I was chasing issues and had no way to know it had flashed.
China now (10 years ago) force people to use Australia style plug, before then they mostly use US two leg plug, China never use UK things since UK's colony Hong Kong people did not like China at all (including me).
british person: "china uses UK plugs ben is correct while UK plugs will always lad up wards like lego so hurt your feet its the safest due to the earth pin so you don't become the fuse box if you electrocute yourselfs (also doesn't the US now have a 3 pin aswell? i thought i started to see US plug with a circle third pin for earth like UK?)
Hmmm yeah with the number of hacks and workarounds, on top of having to compile the firmware and `avrdude` it from the linux command line, this is not a consumer device
there's nothing really special about a raspberry pi (apart from everyone thinking there is and them therefore being impossible to find). you should be able to install the software on reasonably powerful SBC like an Orange PI 5, Odroid C4, Banana Pi M5, Rock 3A, etc... even those are all probably overkill for this use-case, though.
I think the main issue might be that if it's not hardware the developers of Klipper frequently test with, you might run into more bugs. Luckily I collected a few pi before 2019, so had no issues finding one, in fact since I was already using octoprint on a pi 3b was easy as swapping sd cards.
Disney put out a video a few years ago on work they were doing to minimize vibrations and swaying in animatronics by accounting for the inertia of the limbs when programming the acceleration curves, it's pretty neat. th-cam.com/video/Z1jgaEO9aRs/w-d-xo.html
It would be cool to connect a set of AI tools with a slicer, Klipper and Alexa... then ask Alexa to design and print a part with a description of a problem, optionally including a quick photo of some interface with a ruler for measurement estimates. It should then make sensible choices about part splitting, rotation and supports, and it should warn you about filament changes, failures with spagettificatio detectionn, etc. It would be cool to live in a world where a manufacturer of appliances would generally publish cad models of the parts in a global publicly available database. You could then ask Alexa about a new part that would connect to a shop vacuum you bought a few years ago, leaving Alexa to look at your purchase history, look up the model, download the cad files, have an AI tweak them with a set of constraints, etc.
Guess the tablet is just a brain used over a web interface but they can sell just the tablet because there has never been a fully programmable tablet with low level access to the hardware.
Thanks for being about the only person who has taken the time to explain input shaping setup on the BTT Pad 7
my pad 7 it's on its way and I am glad to see your video. Thank you for the comedy and information. I am using the pad 7 on a Ender 5 pro. My friend had a cat like yours and its name was Chumly. Brought back fond memories.
cool review, you can see how intimidating it might be for someone without 3D printer experience, but you cover even the failures and how to rectify them, so I dont see a problem for a noob to set up the BTT Klipper Pad7 thanks to your review
Oh! I am excited to watch this. I have been eyeing the Pad7 for a month now.
Thanks for THAT video! I asked myself if I should turn my old Ender 3 into a Klipper system and thought: nah, its fiddeling around with Linux, find out what to do to get it working in thousands of videos, forums and google sessions and hacking that into config-files ... and now you have shown me, it is true ;-)
It's 10% setup, 90% tweaking. So yeah, it's not for the feint of heart.
@@BenHeckHacks And then you start tweaking the slicer....... That's why Klipper makes more sense for Printer manufacturers - they can do all of the heavy tweaking and optimizing for you - same for the slicer. They are getting a lot closer to "plug and print" with the new core x-y machines, though. I'm forcing myself to not be an early adopter this time. I am still interested to use this Pad7 or the Creality version for my very large bed slingers.
I had the exact same series of reactions as you. Just exhausting. I like tinkering with stuff, but man, cheap 3D printers are a huge time sink.
Great video man, the information, memes, and puns made this longer video more enjoyable
As an Aussie, I always found the other countries plugs to be weird and kinda ugly. But then I thought, 'who wouldn't think that about foreign plugs they're not used to?'. Today you validated it, the Australian plug IS the coolest 🥳
its only "cool" cos you can't plug it in wrong, _and_ its not too huge and clunky (UK :)
what's wrong with the UK plug? it has an earth pin which makes things safer, and the earth pin opens a shield built in to the socket which makes things safer again.
I’m going through the process of adding pad 7 to my MakerGear M2 right now. I’m very interested in your experience and how to tutorials specific to this printer
Wouldn't be a Ben Heck video without a ton of "UPDATE AVAILABLE" signs and Ben ignoring all of them 🤣
Big ups Ben 🙏
Thanks for the meaningful kahntent
"I'm a 23 year content creator!"
You got me at Moonraker, one of the most underrated and most hilarious Bond films! And no the girl that Jaws picked up, didn’t have braces 😁
Goo Goober who drives for Uber is such a cute cat :)
Klipper is very promising, but I’m not sure if I’m ready to go through reconfiguring my Ender 3 once again. 😅 I didn't expect the setup and configuring to be as involved as it was for you. After solving a multitude of frustrating issues on my Ender 3 to just have the X axis driver chip fail on my BTT SKR mini v1.2 (I guess this is a common failure - purchased in 2019 so the warranty is now expired). I’m ready for 3D printers as an appliance. I look forward to your Bambu labs review as you are one of the most scrupulous tech reviewers on YoutTube.
first dude on youtube thats says " don't like the algorithm is Fd anyway"! glad i found you man
im not interested in this that much i'm just here for ben and his enthusiastic voice always cheers me up and love to check in on ben every 6 months or so (not in parasocial way just a long time fan so ben is like an old friend catching up and telling you what he's been up too this month or year) ☺💗
Hi Ben can you share the design of the bitholder ?
I'm still having issues getting the automatic shaper calibration to work. I used bassamanator's BTT pad 7 setup guide and I'm pretty sure there's a few configs I still am missing
CB1 is CM4 compatable. It is the standard that raspberry created, Rock64 also has a board that is compatible. Also would be curious if the cancel print has the obtuse disable steppers in it. Makes it a pita if you have a blob and need to clean it off while its hot. -- edit yeah should a watched a bit more, why does btt change that behavior!?!
UK plug is super safe.Large single pin stops you plugging plug into mains without it .Normally earth socket on mains outlet
UK plugs are the BEST plugs. This is a fact.
I can fit a USB charger in my pocket. USA for the win!
UK plugs are designed to solve a UK problem, but are garbage ergonomically. I'll take them over US plugs, but almost all other plugs are preferable. Schuko being the favorite of course.
@@BenHeckHacks Yeah, but your USB charger will drop out of the socket under the mere weight of your gaze. UK for the win!
@@v4lgrindIm from Germany and even I think that plugs in the UK are better than our Schuko plugs. 🤷🏻♂️
I can fit my UK usb charger in my pocket
I am very comfortable in linux (used it for like 20 years), but it bugs me that klipper requires macros for stuff marlin has built in, im not sure i have the time to stuff around with it. However i might end up doing it at some point, nice thing about a rpi, is i can just swap back my octoprint sd card and reflash my backed up marlin firmware if i hit a wall
Pretty cool, looking forward to catching up with you at VCF Midwest real soon too!
Lemme know if you need any chips or anything!
Pringles with sour cream an onion @@BenHeckHacks 🤣😆🤣😆
Ok, chips I need... Cure for cancer chip, self edit my bank account balance chip, and women find me irresistible chip (make that x2).... lol....
@@BenHeckHacks
Aah well, you got me now! Forcing me to buy one. I like shiny things. Good video I must say.
from the looks of it your bed heater could use some pid auto tuning. it might get rid of the regular z-bending artefacts visible in the last shot.
can you do a flash on an old ctc makerbot with the mightboard ? Theres no videos ever shown on how to do that on that relic printer lol
Great topic, thanks 👍
can it be directly wired to the 24v supply on the printer?
I think your z-banding issues are related to pressure advance. The speed changes going into direction changes - aka corners, inerta of the extruder head assembly and the extruders filament feed speed all play into that and need fine tuning. Its too bad these printer companies don't really spend much time tuning that and leave it to the end users to deal with.
I added an inductive probe to my Ender-3 Pro, It's wired into the board where the BLtouch would go (only the switch, NOT using the servo). So I still have the z end stop switch hooked up. I guess I can use it like you used the BLtouch, but I don't trigger the servo to extract a probe, just move the Z axis down to the bed. Still need to get the X/Y/Z offsets from the probe in the config file though.
I still have the factory firmware in my Ender-3. It has the 32 bit board, and I'm sure there is a boot loader....just put the new firmware on the SD card, and give it the correct name, and it should load on power up.
Hey, I have your first generation Xbox 360 laptop, how many of that style did you make?
Who doesn't love a simple plug-and-plug-and-plug-and-plug-and-play-and-play solution
im definitely gonna have to get one of these
I have a mega zero and mega zero2.0 and both have had extrude issues. I have basically abandoned them and am using my ender3, elegoo neptune max, and bambu p1p. I would like to sort the extrude issues on the anycubics but haven't had much success. Can you recommend any upgrades that would solve the extrude issues?
Pis are everywhere now ben. I have a bunch of xbox and ps5 controller parts if you want them as well
great video 👍
Not surprised that they sent you a product that didn't work without tons of tinkering. Product has good potential, but BTT support is never really there.
Dave Jones always says "Good enough for Australia", Uncle Ben can also say good enough for Wisconsin.
Ben, I just got a BTT Pi V1.2 a few days ago. They say it can support Octoprint, but it needs to be installed manually. I'm following all of the manual installation steps and nothing is happening. It still only boots into Mainsail/Klipper. Can you do a video on how to install Octoprint?
I'm pretty sure he has mentioned in the past he doesn't care to use Octoprint and just likes to sneakernet his SD cards. :D Check out the Teaching Tech video "Using a 32 bit Raspberry Pi to boost your 3D printer mainboard - Klipper Ender 3 guide" should be somewhat similar to what you are trying to do? th-cam.com/video/yAfalR7-Tvw/w-d-xo.html
39:53 Input shaping perhaps to fix that ringing.
edit: and pressure advance
You got me remaking ''Merica F Yeah'' lyrics power plug themed.
Well the UK plug is objectively the better one and I say that as a european that never actually used them. They have build in fuses, and thats really cool.
GO GO Gadget Big Tree Tech!
The Motorola Atrix with a Raspberry pi would be perfect for this task! 😊
I'd think that you could use an old laptop instead of a RPi to run clipper. I have an old Thinkpad T400 that is not being used. It has a coreII processor with 8gb or ram. It can run Linux, it should run Klipper and I can put it on my home LAN to connect to my desktop, and it will just plug into the printer's USB port.
You can! Any Linux box that's somewhat modern will work.
@@BenHeckHacks So I installed Debian 12 on my old thinkpad T400 without any desktop firmware. I enabled SSH and it's now a 'headless' server. I installed kuiah, and from that installed klipper, moonraker, mainsail and octoprint. Now I need to figure out how to set up klipper firmware and build it for the Ender Pro 3 ( I seem to have the 32 bit board with the extra flash) but I'm not sure of all of the various options in the build firmware kulah script. It took me a while to figure out that I had to add myself to the sudo group before kulah would even install klipper.
Ive been having some issues with my pad7. 1) Ive done everything i could with setting up the adxl345 but every time I run accelerometer_query I get the error "invalid adxl345 id (xx vs e5)" and don't know what to do. 2) when trying to upload sliced files from orca it keeps failing to upload when this happens i go into putty to make sure everything is updated correctly and i get the error disk space on device full error. Anyone have a solution
Does it support delta printer?
china uses the same plug as Australia but they use it upside down. we (Australia) have the earth pin at the bottom and China has it at the top. i dont know if Active and Neutral swap on the china plug..
Is it that one day you decided Kroger brand cotton swabs were good enough and never looked back, or you were just not in the mood to pay the extra .32 ¢ for Qtips
China depends on where, if Mainland china, they tend to use Type A (US) and I (Australia -- An upside down version compared to what we use here in Australia, ground is on the top instead of bottom).
Hong Kong uses Type G (UK).
I guess you could even install Linux on an old Kodi box and then run it on that. Tablet or phone with Linux installed is also an option.
installing the firmware is normally a lot easier with new board and it's just copying it to an sd card.
Yup you just copy over a firmware.bin file and if it's on SD it bootloads it
@@BenHeckHacks I made a 3d printed printer with scrap parts and used an old creality board, it was so annoying because you had to give the bin file a unique name each time and it didn't rename if it was successful so I was chasing issues and had no way to know it had flashed.
That is not a bad price at all, especially being open source and with all the variois connectors. Quite a few possibilities outside of intended use.
China now (10 years ago) force people to use Australia style plug, before then they mostly use US two leg plug, China never use UK things since UK's colony Hong Kong people did not like China at all (including me).
That is the Argentina plug too, seems smart so you can reuse a lot of the stuff you manufacture for both countries locally.
I am kinda lost tbh.
But higher speed is tempting
british person: "china uses UK plugs ben is correct while UK plugs will always lad up wards like lego so hurt your feet its the safest due to the earth pin so you don't become the fuse box if you electrocute yourselfs (also doesn't the US now have a 3 pin aswell? i thought i started to see US plug with a circle third pin for earth like UK?)
Hmmm yeah with the number of hacks and workarounds, on top of having to compile the firmware and `avrdude` it from the linux command line, this is not a consumer device
It's not for beginners, no. It feels like "the Linux of 3D printers"
Autocomplete is your friend - TAB or TAB,TAB in linux cmd.
there's nothing really special about a raspberry pi (apart from everyone thinking there is and them therefore being impossible to find). you should be able to install the software on reasonably powerful SBC like an Orange PI 5, Odroid C4, Banana Pi M5, Rock 3A, etc... even those are all probably overkill for this use-case, though.
I think the main issue might be that if it's not hardware the developers of Klipper frequently test with, you might run into more bugs. Luckily I collected a few pi before 2019, so had no issues finding one, in fact since I was already using octoprint on a pi 3b was easy as swapping sd cards.
more video with the cat !
Leaving comment below
Disney put out a video a few years ago on work they were doing to minimize vibrations and swaying in animatronics by accounting for the inertia of the limbs when programming the acceleration curves, it's pretty neat.
th-cam.com/video/Z1jgaEO9aRs/w-d-xo.html
It would be cool to connect a set of AI tools with a slicer, Klipper and Alexa... then ask Alexa to design and print a part with a description of a problem, optionally including a quick photo of some interface with a ruler for measurement estimates. It should then make sensible choices about part splitting, rotation and supports, and it should warn you about filament changes, failures with spagettificatio detectionn, etc. It would be cool to live in a world where a manufacturer of appliances would generally publish cad models of the parts in a global publicly available database. You could then ask Alexa about a new part that would connect to a shop vacuum you bought a few years ago, leaving Alexa to look at your purchase history, look up the model, download the cad files, have an AI tweak them with a set of constraints, etc.
Guess the tablet is just a brain used over a web interface but they can sell just the tablet because there has never been a fully programmable tablet with low level access to the hardware.
Trash BL touch and use Blue W Q D Q SN04-N. Klipper to convoluted for me.
Clear case of redundant laziness 😂
came in for no power
from china, huh. consider all of everything this product does, and any network it connects to CCP property as of .... now
Will you please share your MailId
I am Making custom diy 3d printer
using BTT octopus pro STM32H723
BTT Pad7
CAN36/42 and U2C
I’m Australian and can confirm we have plugs